All Episodes
Jan. 5, 2024 - The Culture War - Tim Pool
02:09:06
The Culture War #45 - The Truth Of Missing Flight MH370, Alien Conspiracy In Miami

Host: Tim Pool Guests: Ashton Forbes @JustXAshton (X, YouTube) Dave Rossi @PodcastZed (X) Shane Cashman @ShaneCashman (X) Producers:  Lisa Elizabeth @LisaElizabeth (X) Kellen Leeson @KellenPDL (X) Connect with TENET Media: https://www.tenetmedia.com/ https://twitter.com/watchTENETnow https://www.facebook.com/watchTENET https://rumble.com/c/c-5080150 https://www.instagram.com/watchtenet/ https://www.tiktok.com/@watchtenet https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdmJ9EcVd6wuFU_DHklYZFw Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Participants
Main voices
a
ashton forbes
50:56
s
shane cashman
14:35
t
tim pool
38:29
| Copy link to current segment

Speaker Time Text
tim pool
There's a viral video going around showing one of the biggest police responses we've ever seen in Miami.
So people claim, I don't know how true that is, all I know is there's a video showing a ton of cops in Miami, this is from a couple days ago, and there's people claiming that flights were shut down, and we have no idea what it was.
To be honest, it's probably just someone made a prank phone call or a bomb threat or something like that.
Of course, there are viral videos where people are claiming they saw 10-foot tall alien creatures walking through the mall.
Yo, if you believe these things you see on the internet, man, I got a bridge to sell you.
But it's still fun, either way, and at any rate, doesn't seem like we've been given a good answer as to why there was this massive police response, because at the bare minimum, yo, when I saw this video, Matt Walsh posted, by the way, and I see all of these cop cars, I'm kind of like, you'd think they'd be in the news.
But it's been a couple days, and I'm just now hearing about it, and it seems like nobody brought it up.
There was no press conference, police reports, or unless they were, and we all just kind of forgot about it because, I don't know, we're a bit lazy coming off the new year.
But we'll talk about that, and then of course, the core segment here.
The truth about that missing, missing plane.
And I hear a bunch of, uh, man, when this, when this story happened, it was just non-stop in the press every day, 24-7 on CNN.
And I was just like, yo, I literally don't care.
I mean, look, a plane crashed.
I'm sorry, man.
I mean, it's tragic.
It really is.
But why is it every waking minute on cable television?
And now I got people telling me like, did you see though?
There was like a voicemail where someone claimed there was like, that people were captured and it came from his phone.
And I'm like, well, hold on, what's going on here?
And then, uh, we had someone on TimCastIRL tell us, like, you gotta talk to these guys.
Cause they got videos!
And it could be a military conspiracy, could be government contracts, or... maybe aliens.
So...
We're gonna talk about that.
We got a couple guys joining us.
Would you guys like to introduce yourself?
I don't know who wants to go first.
ashton forbes
Sure.
Yeah.
Hey, my name is Ashton Forbes.
I am the originator and start investigator into MH370 videos, organizer of MH370X, which has been a community-led investigation into understanding the videos and getting to the true fate of MH370.
tim pool
Right on.
unidentified
My name is Dave Rossi.
I have a YouTube channel called Generation Zed, and I'm also a defense contractor for private groups, institutions, DOD, etc.
So.
tim pool
And right now, you know, on X, formerly known as Twitter, aliens is trending because of this story in Miami.
So we'll definitely get to that, too.
And because of this, I had to bring in our alien expert, Shane.
shane cashman
What's up?
Writer for Scanner, author of the Inverted World series, and that 10-foot alien they saw in Florida is actually Jeb Bush.
tim pool
You were waiting for that one.
shane cashman
I couldn't wait.
Sorry.
tim pool
Yeah, well subscribe to the channel.
Thanks for hanging out.
Let's uh, where should we get started?
I mean, let's let's start with this story.
When you pull up Malaysian Airlines Flight 370, they actually have a physically improbable theories section.
I love this because they don't say impossible.
They say physically improbable.
And it says, in March 2018, around the fourth anniversary of Flight 370's disappearance, an individual received strange voicemails and texts with coordinates of a location in Indonesia, somewhat close to where Flight 370 vanished.
The voicemails, coded in the NATO phonetic alphabet, alluded to an alien abduction.
This generated significant media attention as the man who received the text and voicemails also claimed that someone had showed up and taken pictures of his house.
Although this was never conclusively verified, the calls were placed using a voiceover IP service and were traced to two hotels in Port Blair.
Though the identity of the caller remains uncertain, investigators dismissed the phone calls as most likely being a prank or hoax.
Well, let's get started here, I suppose.
What is this missing flight?
What happened?
ashton forbes
Yeah, so with respect to the missing flight, and I've heard about the phone call and the voicemails, and I didn't find a lot of credibility to it, so I haven't really reported on that very much, because there is a lot of evidence out there that is credible.
So, you know, this flight took off from Kuala Lumpur, it was headed to Beijing, northeast, and it goes dark 40 minutes into the flight.
So the scenario that we've put forth from investigating this for the last five months almost is actually a fire scenario related to the lithium-ion batteries in the cargo bay.
So there was almost 500 pounds of lithium-ion batteries in the cargo bay.
Two stacks of them were actually in the forward cargo bay near the main equipment center, which is also known as the electronics bay.
So these things are very dangerous cargo that actually were outlawed by the FAA in passenger flights in the cargo bay of them because of how dangerous they were.
They weren't scanned.
They were put together that day.
We believe they actually exploded and damaged the electronics bay of the plane.
And there's actually 19 witnesses that corroborate this event, including Mike McKay, who's on an oil rig that sees the plane on fire the same time that it goes dark.
He sends an email out the next day saying, hey, guys, I think I saw the plane.
The plane turns around, where does it go?
It goes to the closest airport, Penang Airport.
And you can actually check and find on the internet, if you google MH370 wired, you find an article that talks about a fire scenario, electronics fire scenario, being the most likely cause of what happened to MH370.
Simple explanation.
There's even nine witnesses along the coast that hear loud noises at the same time when this plane, when this fire erupts.
And then 10 minutes later, there are eight fishermen on a boat who actually see the plane flying very low.
And the reason why you see the plane flying low is perhaps it was depressurized, but not because the captain is trying to knock everybody out, because the fire, the explosion of these lithium ion batteries caused it to depressurize.
And so you see it flying low because they're trying to get enough oxygen for those passengers to breathe.
So it flies back across Peninsular Malaysia, goes to Penang, for whatever reason it doesn't land in Penang.
The cell phone of the co-pilot pings one of the cell towers down below.
This would also not necessarily, it could indicate there's some kind of emergency, it could be really pretty much anything, but they're trying to get help.
We've hypothesized the reason why it doesn't land is because it's not safe, either because their landing gear can't be deployed.
And the next thing you're supposed to do for a pilot scenario is you're supposed to try to land on your belly, actually, on the ground.
I didn't know that.
The problem is, if you have six hours of fuel in your plane, you try to land on your belly, plane's probably going to explode.
And if you try to dump the fuel in a fire scenario, that might also be risky.
So talking to pilots, it would become kind of a judgment call at that point.
Like, what do we want to do?
The next thing you're supposed to do is try to land in the ocean.
So where does this plane go?
It goes to the Andaman Sea.
It turns and goes towards the Andaman Sea.
There happens to be Cope Tiger exercises happening there between United States, Thailand, and Singapore in that area at the time.
So if this is some kind of suicide route, this is the last place you want to go to because that's where all the most advanced equipment is set up.
That's where they're going to be trying to protect that information or protect those assets.
They've got radar there.
So it gets to the Andaman Sea.
If you look the next day, you'll find that the time they said they lost contact with the plane was 1840 UTC.
They end up changing this days later.
Say, oh no, we lost radar contact at 1815 UTC, 1822 UTC.
The reason why this is important is 1840 UTC is when Catherine T is on a boat.
She's going to Phuket.
She sees a glowing orange plane with no navigation lights.
Everybody agrees she was on the route of MH370.
All of these witnesses that I've talked about have basically just been discredited.
We found out that the reason why she was seeing an orange glowing plane is because Halon, the fire extinguishing gas that they would be using to put the fire out, can last for up to three hours.
It can release bromine, which is a halogen gas.
Halogen lamps, if you look at it, glow orange, just like her sighting and recreation that's out there.
So that's how we were able to figure out this fire scenario and figure out this dangerous cargoes out there.
This is also the same time and location where we think the videos are happening, the MH370 videos.
When we look at those videos, you can see there's smoke coming out of the back of the plane.
And we know that because we can see cumulus clouds in the background, which only form at low altitudes.
Contrails only form at 18,000 feet and above.
So we have videos that corroborate what the witness was seeing.
She says she sees the plane flying low and descending.
We have videos that show that same thing.
And then we also have a Mayday calls only reported in Chinese news.
The West didn't report on it at all.
There was claimed to be an intercepted communication from the Thai embassy that China got a hold of that was of MH370 with the pilot or co-pilot saying that the plane was disintegrating and attempting an emergency landing.
tim pool
So let's, starting as simply as possible, I mean, people probably, it's been like 10 years, hasn't it?
This is a plane that basically vanished, as far as public reporting knows, and CNN would not shut up about it.
And my favorite was, oh, you know, look, let me ask you guys, have you been called crazy for some of the theories you've proposed?
unidentified
Constantly.
tim pool
Okay, well, don't worry, because nothing you propose is as crazy as Don Lemon asking about whether or not a black hole sucked the plane up.
I made a video when this happened because his guest was like, even a small black hole would suck up the whole universe.
And it's like, no, there's actually quite a bit of them, at least as far as we know.
And they wouldn't come anywhere near close to earth.
Or at least if they did, we would not know about it because we would be crushed the moment it got close to the planet.
But that was CNN.
That's how crazy they went.
And I had people defending Don Lemon.
Oh, we love the guy.
He's gone, by the way.
He's no longer there.
We don't know what he's doing.
But they were like, well, he was just entertaining and having fun.
I'm like, oh, come on.
Dude goes on cable TV and he's like, people are saying a black hole could have swallowed this plane.
Alright, well, what you've proposed is... Let me slow down.
A plane went missing.
And, uh, there's no... What's the official answer as to how this plane just vanished?
And its passengers and everything's gone?
ashton forbes
So first of all, I want to mention the Don Lemon thing, because I post that too, because that's the craziest thing I've ever seen on CNN.
And there's a lot of crazy stuff on CNN, for sure.
But we might end up owing Don Lemon a bit of an apology here, because maybe it's not a black hole, but it looks pretty damn similar when we're watching these videos.
So from the beginning, like, Yeah, that part is crazy.
The other thing I want to mention real quick as well is that there's also a piece by Dianne Feinstein, who's also, I think, on CNN, where she won't mention about the satellites in terms of what the satellites saw.
And she's very sketchy when she's asked about, like, we have to have better satellite pictures.
They look at the Bin Laden raid, and they're like, look at the resolution of the Bin Laden raid, but somehow we don't have any evidence of this plane crashing into the ocean.
So the official story is actually they don't know what happened to the plane.
shane cashman
They don't talk about the fire, do they?
That's the official story?
ashton forbes
Never.
shane cashman
How confident are you in the fire narrative?
ashton forbes
I'm almost 100% sure that it was a fire scenario.
And the reason why this doesn't get any credit to it is because it completely rules out the idea that this plane went into the South Indian Ocean.
So that's what the narrative is out there, but that's not actually the official story if you look at the reports.
The official reports say they don't know what happened to the plane, but there's these narratives out there that everybody believes that, oh, this was a pilot's suicide, that he flew into the South Indian Ocean.
And the reason why they can't then reconcile this with the fire is because if there was a fire, it's already a miracle that the plane lasts for an hour and 20 minutes, which we needed to get to in order to get to where our videos are.
And that location, Nicobar Island, is actually indicated by one of the videos.
There's coordinates in the bottom left.
unidentified
Right.
ashton forbes
Indicate the Nicobar Islands.
shane cashman
You're referencing the satellite images with the coordinates.
Correct.
And then when it comes to the, was it Catherine, the lady?
ashton forbes
Catherine T. Yeah.
shane cashman
Did she think the plane was on fire when she saw it?
Like, how does she describe it?
ashton forbes
She said that the plane was not necessarily on fire, but it's glowing orange and that she saw a dark smoke coming out of the back of it.
The way she described it was like, it looked like the engines needed some, you know, they needed to fix the engines or something like that.
shane cashman
This is nighttime?
ashton forbes
Yeah, and nighttime.
But keep in mind, it's pitch black, there's no moon out, there's no sun out, and you're not like you're in the city.
You don't have light pollution.
So you can actually see a little bit better when you have those types of scenarios where it's like extremely dark like that.
shane cashman
Yeah, no, that's crazy.
Just imagining seeing that above you.
Did she report that?
ashton forbes
Yeah, so she immediately reported.
Now, keep in mind, it took her like a day or so to get back to Phuket, but once she got there, she did report it.
So this has been very well documented.
She even sticks to her story nine years later.
Her last Twitter post was like in 2022, where it was, the silence is sinister, in terms of why people haven't been speaking out, why the families went quiet.
Yeah, so this official narrative is that this was somehow a suicide route, but as we just kind of talked about that route, nothing about the route indicates suicide.
We found this guy, Matthias Chang, and he was actually, he's a lawyer, a prominent lawyer, and he was an advisor to Prime Minister Mahathir, which is one of the longest tenured Prime Ministers in Malaysia.
So this is a guy who would be in the know.
And even he mentions that the whole story doesn't add up at all.
Like, if you are a suicide pilot, you're just gonna crash a plane anywhere.
You're not trying to, like, go around the coast of Indonesia to avoid radar.
First of all, that's not really how you avoid radar anyway.
But you just don't care if you're trying to avoid... if you're a suicide pilot.
If they send up jets after you...
Just crash the plane.
shane cashman
Yeah.
This story is so complex and like we have to build up to the satellite images that you've guys been talking about so much, but everything up to that is equally, if not more insane because of there's so many moving parts.
When it comes to like the fire narrative, how does that, does that play into how you, when you're looking at the footage of the satellite imagery, like, are you seeing things that kind of support that?
ashton forbes
Yeah.
So early on, my first in-person podcast was actually with Tony Merkel, and back then we didn't have all this evidence.
This has been a case that's been building, and the people even now who are following along, you get to be part of potentially one of the greatest conspiracies and investigations in history, the real story of MH370.
Back then I thought, okay, there's a 50-50 chance that what we were looking at here was some type of non-human intelligence intervention, or I thought maybe it was an espionage scenario, where the United States was trying to prevent these engineers, 20 free-scale engineers, from getting to China.
Because what we found out is they're directly tied to the technology we see that we'll probably talk about a little bit later.
shane cashman
So that's a good place to start then, just because the people on the plane are very interesting.
There's 20 free-scale engineers, right?
And then on top of that, there's also two Iranians.
ashton forbes
Yeah, they changed their appearance to look more like the people on the passport.
They stole the passports, and they were traveling together.
shane cashman
We've seen the real people.
ashton forbes
Yeah, the real people.
There's like a picture with his passport.
He's like, hey, this is me.
I wasn't on the plane.
tim pool
Is it possible that this plane traveled through a rift in the time-space continuum where everyone who was awake vanished, leaving their clothes behind, and the people who were asleep woke up in this dimension where they were behind time, and then gigantic, nutsack-looking monsters started eating reality?
unidentified
Well, minus the last part I was going to bring up.
Yeah, the time-space ripple speaks to, I know you brought up in the past, FTL communication.
And I am here to also humbly say that in my opinion, based on the experiments that I've done and some other things, it's very possible that the enablement and the energies used in FTL communication are the same underlying conceptual, we could say, energies that would enable the effects we see on a larger scale in the 370 case, for example.
tim pool
I just want to point out that was a joke, and it was a reference to Stephen King.
There's someone listening being like, what is he talking about?
It's a movie called The Langoliers.
shane cashman
I haven't seen it.
ashton forbes
Well, I think a lot of people talk about predictive programming too, though.
And other things that people have brought up is the show Lost, the show Manifest, which I never watched Manifest, and Lost could have done with some better end seasons.
shane cashman
I agree.
unidentified
Have you guys seen the film Tenet, by chance, by Christopher Nolan?
tim pool
Yes.
We're also on Tenet media right now.
unidentified
Oh, perfect.
Okay, well, Tenet is something that I think speaks very strongly to what we could say time reversal, negentropy, antimatter, whatever you want to call it, essentially.
And it speaks to this notion that, for example, certain people or certain pilots in many cases, even flying over the Bermuda Triangle, have reported in the past where They would land and they'd have, for example, extra fuel in their tank or way more than they were supposed to.
And it speaks to a potential form of a temporal anomaly.
This notion that time is not necessarily straight.
So if we think of this idea that when you wake up in the morning, you have breakfast, you go to work, et cetera.
If we think of the possibility that from what's called a quantum perspective, you wake up in the morning, you go to work, then you have breakfast, you go to sleep, and then you go see your friends.
It completely change of order of perspective and experience.
tim pool
I was talking to, uh, who was I talking to?
Someone was hanging out here and I told them that we in fact can time travel.
At any point of our own volition, we can choose to just go back in time or forward in time.
Not forward in time, we can only go back in time.
And I'm actually kidding.
My point was...
Based on what humans think they know about time and space and dimensions, M-theory, et cetera, whatever you want to believe, the issue with our perception of time as being linear, forward-moving, is that our perception is built upon the reactions in our brain.
unidentified
Think of it this way.
tim pool
Your conscious thought is a Jenga tower, is a block tower that's being stacked upon.
You can reverse and take all those blocks off, but then your perspective and understanding of the world is back to where it was, so there's no... I guess my point is, time isn't moving forward, our perspective of reality can only be built upon one layer at a time, and that is how we...
unidentified
In a certain way, you just described infolding and outfolding, Bohmian decoherence, very heavy quantum mechanics concepts you just described.
Yeah, the topology, the whole thing.
ashton forbes
If I can just jump in, I would like to say, too, that time dilation is a real scientific concept.
It's not science fiction at all.
If you actually watch the movie Interstellar, it's very well described there.
The speed at which your time moves is relative to how much mass you're next to.
The reason why we experience the same time is because we're all on the same planet right next to each other with the same general amount of mass.
But if you were to go near a black hole, your time is going to slow down.
And people say this as well.
tim pool
Really irks me about Star Trek is that when I was, you know, when I'm younger and I'm reading about time dilation and gravity and what you're mentioning, this would mean that the Federation could not be cohesive because simply by existing on Earth, time is moving at a different rate to someone who's existing on Mars.
unidentified
Yeah.
Well, if I can give a quick example, if we think of, for example, to add to your point, Tim, if we think of say a fish bowl with water in it and there's fish in there and we shoot a laser from outside of the bowl into the water, what happens is when the laser hits the bowl, the photons are kinetically re-emitting, reabsorbing, et cetera, et cetera.
So, to the fish inside that bowl, that laser beam is by definition the limit of the speed of light within that particular bowl.
And so, when we take it one step further, we realize that if we took humans and we put them in a body of water where that water is the exact same temperature as that particular person, other than having problems to breathe, they wouldn't realize they're in water.
And so if we think of that same concept as to now what we refer to as empty space or the ether or whatever you want to call it, if we can somehow find a way to lock in to the resonance of these type of particles that we can't see but are all around us, it may enable some of these effects to occur.
tim pool
I want to, I want to, we'll bring things a little bit back, but sci-fi stuff is not really sci-fi stuff.
Here's the point I want to make.
There is absolutely technology that exists that the American people don't know about, that if they were told were to exist, they would say, you're lying to me.
No matter what you do.
I can give you a half example.
Something that is plausible enough that people could believe exists, but have never witnessed and seems science fiction.
And as you mentioned, FTL communications.
Faster than light communications already exists.
And this is not an exaggeration.
This is not science fiction.
Google search quantum entanglement, And you will understand the rudimentary forms of faster-than-light communication.
Two particles that are entangled, that when they interact with one, the other responds the exact same way.
This allows for basic binary data transmission faster than the speed of light, and it can be done interplanetary.
When you're watching Star Trek, they have subspace.
They needed to come up with some sci-fi way of explaining how they can communicate with Earth when they're thousands of light years away.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
So, subspace.
What does that even mean?
Right.
It wouldn't actually even have to be that way.
It could simply just be the communications device on the ship contains an entangled particle which corresponds with a data center hub and gives them FTL internet to communicate in real time, faster than the speed of light.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
But I think, perhaps, Fasten the speed of light is a misunderstanding of what is actually going on with quantum entanglement.
It could literally just be multi-dimensional transmission, in that the particle itself is a point at two ends of a dimension we can't perceive.
So in our reality, it appears that we're thousands of miles away, but if you were actually to move outside of the third dimension, you can see we're just flicking the same stick, and it's just space-time is folded.
unidentified
Yes.
ashton forbes
So if I could just jump into what I would say is that I think you were on with Brian Lupo.
He gave a shout out and I heard him.
I heard you actually mentioned faster than light communication, and that's how I knew we could have a good conversation.
Because if you take that same concept and you scale it up, now you have this idea of macroscopic phase conjugation, macroscopic quantum coherence, which is essentially teleportation of a macro scale object.
Now, in order to unify these two concepts, there's something called ER equals EPR, and it's been promoted by Leonard Susskind and Juan Maldacena.
And this is the idea who they are.
That's fine.
So I'll explain.
ER is Einstein-Rosen, so Einstein-Rosen bridge, aka a wormhole, equals the idea of Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen, which is quantum mechanics, which is quantum entanglement, like you just mentioned.
And their concept is that they are essentially the same things, but on different scales, is that that same quantum entanglement that we can, even last week, I think they teleported a picture, a full picture, without sending the data.
Now, if you just scale that up, now it's the same idea as a wormhole, where you have this connection that we can't see.
And if you were to say the same way you said on like extra dimensions, say that, OK, what we're looking at here, our reality is a projection onto like a matrix, so to speak.
Now you have that extra dimension that you need.
And what we need to do is just be able to rip through that.
And the double slit experiment shows us that this is true, is that somehow when we observe the act of shooting a photon through one of two slits, It breaks down the wave function just by observing it changes as the experiment.
This means that somehow the universe is communicating on a level that we can't perceive.
tim pool
I disagree with this.
I think people have taken the double slit experiment in the wrong direction or I should say at least at the very least I'll respectfully say Calling it observation, I believe, confuses the average person into not understanding what is actually going on with wave function collapse.
And you end up with this new age hippy-dippy like, I can simply will things or manifest things into existence.
unidentified
Yeah, because then you take it from a physics to a metaphysical perspective and then it, yeah, I know, I see what you're saying 100%.
tim pool
Yeah, because, I mean, the double slit stuff was super viral in the 2000s with like the documentary, What the Bleep Do We Know?
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And so I ended up, I actually, a friend of mine, his dad's a physicist.
I knew a couple of, you know, physics PhD students or candidates or whatever.
And they just basically said, don't call it observation, call it measurement.
And then it completely redefines what these hippies are saying.
The act of measuring alters wave function.
And then you're like, oh, well, what does that really mean then?
unidentified
Exactly.
It speaks to this notion of superpositioning, also like the concept of stacked layers that you were speaking to before, where it's there, but it's also not.
And so this speaks to also the non-linearity of time, right?
And so what gets interesting is that when you start to induce these effects, you start to realize that you could very likely emit miniature forms of what we could call gravitons, and that would enable FTL communication, for example.
And that connection with the entanglement factor is very inherent, but it's very difficult to measure.
tim pool
Are gravitons real?
unidentified
They're hypothetical, huh?
Publicly hypothetical, in my opinion, and I don't expect anyone to blindly believe me unless they've seen things in the lab themselves.
I think they are, but that's just my take.
shane cashman
This is probably a good place to transition to why we're talking about all this, right?
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
From aliens in Miami.
shane cashman
But yeah, before we do that, and Tim's talking about advanced, obviously we're talking about advanced technology stuff and, you know, you can talk about the Philadelphia experiment.
Yes.
But before all that though, the thing that, one of the most alarming things out of this that I think everyone can agree on, Absolutely.
So first thing I want to say on it is that a plane can't crash into the ocean without leaving a debris field.
and satellites mapping the entire planet all the time right now, which is why I think we could transition to the satellite stuff with you and why we're talking about space-time continuing.
unidentified
Absolutely.
ashton forbes
So first thing I want to say on it is that a plane can't crash into the ocean without leaving a debris field.
Certainly not a 777, which is a gigantic airplane.
unidentified
It's huge.
ashton forbes
So part of the reason why this narrative that's out there, this plane crashed into the South Indian Ocean, is, well, we never saw anything.
To the point of the satellites, is we've have satellites everywhere.
Global persistent surveillance, infrared surveillance.
Just think about what those words mean.
If you look up SIBRS on Google, the first or second hit in the video section will be literal Lockheed Martins scanning the whole world all the time in infrared surveillance.
How do we not see the debris field from a sunset?
shane cashman
One of the most terrifying images, when you see that, You're talking about the ones like the globe and the mapping it and isn't there like a what's their slogan?
ashton forbes
We never forget who we're working for.
Hail Hydra!
shane cashman
Come on now.
Come on.
unidentified
And those are just the things that they publicly discuss.
tim pool
Is there a video of it or something?
shane cashman
Is it on Lockheed Martin website?
ashton forbes
Yeah, just go to Google Simmers and hit video and you'll find it.
S-B-I-R-S space-based infrared system.
shane cashman
Yeah, it's like a CG model of the Earth being molested by satellites.
ashton forbes
I never thought we would even find something like this.
This is part of why the investigation is just so incredible, even to me who's investigating it.
It's like, okay, at first we're just starting with some videos and we're like, oh, this is pretty amazing.
And then we're like, okay, wow, look at what our satellite capabilities are.
You know, we find out the satellite capabilities are beyond what anybody's even aware of.
And these are some of the most closely guarded secrets in the entire United States.
People that steal satellite images, they get charged with life in prison or the death penalty.
That's how serious these types of things are.
If they do what?
There was actually an article in the New York Times in September where a contractor stole satellite images from Africa, I believe, or of Africa, and they were actually facing the death penalty.
unidentified
Whoa.
ashton forbes
That's how serious this is.
tim pool
What country?
ashton forbes
They were a contract with the United States and they were like just taking images from wherever.
unidentified
So that's how sensitive this stuff is. - You can get screwed bad.
tim pool
- Is that the leading case? - But how could the, this can't be public in the United States that gives them the death penalty for- - You should check it out.
ashton forbes
It's pretty wild.
If you Google that New York Times contractor satellite imagery, I think you'll find out.
Yeah, they can face the death penalty for it.
This is the stuff that they really protect.
That's why when Trump, back in 2019, posted that Iranian missile satellite picture, which was of USA 224, another spy satellite set up in 2011.
tim pool
Yeah, it carries the death penalty.
And so this is, he was a US citizen, a naturalized US citizen of Ethiopian descent in Silver Spring, Maryland.
Wow, that's really close to here.
ashton forbes
Crazy, right?
tim pool
- Oh, wow. - It's super close.
Two cards, he was charged with two counts of espionage, willful retention of national defense information.
ashton forbes
The espionage charges carry a potential death sentence. - Crazy, right? - And up to life in prison. - So this is all this stuff we're uncovering, this cyber system, we're uncovering how serious it is.
And it goes along with what we're seeing here, 'cause if we are looking at some type of satellite imagery on this video, which we actually now think this might be the sentient program, This is this is advanced AI that was declassified in 2012.
Yeah, National Reconnaissance Office is what that stands for.
And there's also the National Geospace Agency, the NGA.
I never thought I'd learn this much about satellites, but we don't sit here and- They called it sentient?
unidentified
Yeah.
ashton forbes
It's not like we're just sitting here looking through satellites while they're going down anymore.
Now we have a computer program that's pulling data from everywhere, just like that Sibbers video, right?
They're pulling this data and they're building a Google Video Earth playback for the military where you can track objects.
Turns out sentient actually can track airplanes.
They think it can track UFOs as well.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Dude, I wake up in the morning and I open my phone and I'm scrolling through it and I saw a post from Stable Diffusion, the Stable Diffusion community.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
It's over man.
Yeah.
Let me just let me just let everybody I'm gonna start by saying that as broad and as vague as possible.
It's over man.
It was an image and I don't I don't know if it's real or fake or whatever is going on and that's the challenge.
It was a picture of a woman holding up a piece of paper that said r slash stable stable diffusion and these are supposed to be the verification images that you post say like hey this is who I am and I'm gonna do I can ask me anything on reddit and And they made one, and as soon as I saw it, I'm like, it kind of looks like AI.
Like, what is this?
And then I looked it up, and it's an AI-generated image, but it's damn near perfect.
And they're getting text done properly.
And the fact that I had to question whether it was real and try and research it, I was like, we're screwed.
shane cashman
Welcome to post-reality.
tim pool
You're not going to know.
When we're talking about, like, sentient intelligence analysis system, I pulled it up.
And what's going on with this, the point at which the AI systems take control are going to happen before anyone even knows it happens, and then we are all going to be slaves to it, and there's nothing you can do to stop it.
shane cashman
Didn't the Pentagon just say?
tim pool
You think it already did?
shane cashman
I think I agree.
ashton forbes
That's what scares me more than anything, more than the videos, more than teleporting to 777, is that the AI might have already won.
Like, if this was a Terminator scenario, they're not dropping nukes, they don't even need to.
unidentified
One of my biggest concerns is that they have tech like what you have on this desk right here, except much, like with the UFO there, except much larger and much more significant.
That hasn't been, yeah.
tim pool
A long time ago, 10 years ago, I was talking with my friends, you know, apparently they need to smoke weed to have these kinds of conversations.
I don't.
And, uh, you know, they're talking about Terminator scenarios and AI.
And I was like, I don't think that'll ever happen where the machines rise up and try and kill people because that would create unnecessary resistance.
ashton forbes
Exactly.
tim pool
The A.I.
can use humans and their tiny little fingers to mine cobalt and stuff.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
So what's more likely to happen is the A.I.
will make you as fat and as happy as possible to distract you and give you everything you could ever desire.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And then control everyone else to mine the cobalt for them.
I'm like, if a bunch of machines were trying to create some kind of physical manifestation, the sentient mind of the A.I.
can exist in a computer network or the internet, but how does it interact with the real world?
It will create economic factors that humans will have to engage in in the physical world to like mine cobalt and use their tiny little digits to manufacture things for them.
But what about the people who won't do that?
You give them video games.
You're gonna hook their brains up and give them everything they want.
And now what are we looking at?
The VR, Neuralink, the potential reality where you just plug your brain in and live in the pod and eat the bugs?
unidentified
Well, I've read reports where it takes apparently only two generations, give or take, to wipe the memory of a given mass populace.
And so, when you think about that implemented with the AI and what you just said, it becomes scary.
Because it makes you wonder, like, a lot of people these days tend to think of our history as not stemming past World War II.
And so it starts, and you think that it's only been 70-80 years, right?
Which is very small in the timeline of our history, and so...
If you can combine that form of memory wipe in a certain way, I say that carefully, with AI, it gets a little frightening.
shane cashman
I don't think, like, the robots are going to rise up, per se.
They're going to destroy from the inside out.
unidentified
No, subtly.
Right, that's what I mean, but in a subtle manner, yeah.
shane cashman
But they're also going to destroy you from above, too.
Like, during Thanksgiving, the Pentagon put out that report saying they're giving AI the ability to choose when to kill or not.
unidentified
Well, that was like, didn't they kill an Air Force pilot?
I believe?
shane cashman
I'm not sure.
tim pool
No, a training scenario, but it was greatly exaggerated.
And then like, because sensationalism.
But let's just clarify, you are correct in that it will destroy humanity, but that's a figurative destruction.
To the AI, it will radically transform and enslave humanity, and we will be completely oblivious.
shane cashman
AI is a new colonizer.
ashton forbes
And imagine, too, instead of just even using us to mine, what if it can just mine bitcoins or whatever on itself and just put a virus on your computer?
Maybe it's mining on your laptops right now, right?
And it's just producing the money that it needs, like that Age of Ultron movie where it can then just reproduce itself, right?
So not to get too off topic, but that's definitely the thing that I'm more scared of than anything else.
Right.
shane cashman
Like that's what I'm saying about the satellite stuff with the global infrared persistence system, however you say it.
It's terrifying.
It's like it's like a false manufactured god.
We're like circling the planet on you at all times.
And like it could, it could be filming us or filming us as photographing us all the time.
So it could play back everything.
It's like, it's an objective false God, you know, Lockheed Martin.
unidentified
I don't, I don't mean to fear monger here, but there's been scenarios, for example, where.
In an asymmetrical capacity, you wouldn't even need to invade a country in order to control it, right?
So for example, you put the shell of a nuclear warhead in a populated city, you then induce an EMP pulse, not even a nuclear explosion, but then what you do is you get to spread it on TikTok all over the place that it was a nuke.
Who's gonna know the difference?
And everyone freaks out, right?
tim pool
The first thing I'll say is, war is no longer about guns and bullets.
I tweeted this.
Make a social media app.
Run ads to attract teen users, give those users fake views and fake followers so they get really excited, and then begin recruiting for you by bragging about how many followers they have.
Then, start implementing algorithms that have insanity, insane algorithms that promote insane content so these young people are forced, if they want to continue pursuing the dopamine hit of Top views, they have to adhere to insane standards like perhaps surgically altering their bodies in strange ways to get views.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And then what happens is you ended up with a plagued generation, desperate for the attention of this machine.
That's already happening.
But the other thing I'll point out is, this was maybe like 10 years ago.
And it's not the first time something like this has happened, it's not the last, and it may be happening now.
Where people went on Twitter, back when it was Twitter, and started posting random photos from the internet of military vehicles, police cordons, and things like this, and then posting about some fictional city in Oklahoma saying, whoa, what's going on in insert city Oklahoma?
And the people who were in on the joke kept adding to it, and the people who weren't were being slammed with With military trucks, videos of tanks being moved on trains, of cops screaming at people, get back, get back.
And everyone kept saying it was something happening in this one town.
And there's like old people being like, what's happening here?
And all the young people are just like, find a picture of a cop, post it and say it's the town, no matter where it's from and make people believe it.
Now you have what may be something similar right now, trending on X, aliens in Miami.
And it's going viral like crazy and it may just very well be some dude, some morbidly obese guy in his basement eating Cheetos, saw a video of cops was like, aliens, enter.
And then someone else saw this and says, I wish this were true and then blasted off.
And now the humans who want to believe 10 foot tall shadow beings were being shot at Miami have created this idea and are spreading it everywhere.
ashton forbes
It's hard though, right?
Because we don't know what's real anymore.
I feel like we're in a post-truth world because of that, because of the disinformation that's out there.
And just to bring it back to the plane real quick, because I do want to talk about the shadow aliens at some point, but this is what happens with mainstream media in general too.
If you just repeat something often enough, like take that same concept you did, now put it onto the mainstream media and just blast people with a message.
They're just going to believe it to be real.
And this is what happens with many conspiracies I've come to realize, especially with this conspiracy.
They say, well, plane crashed in the South Indian Ocean, pilot suicide.
And despite the fact that's not even the official narrative, that's just a narrative that's out there, that's what people choose to believe.
And it takes this deprogramming.
We have to say, well, wait, there was no debris field out there.
We've looked along the seventh arc.
We didn't find any black boxes.
We should have seen those.
There's no acoustic detections.
We heard about this SOSA system with the Titan sub.
We were able to pinpoint a tiny sub imploding.
The Navy lies about it for five days.
And then they go, oh yeah, we knew exactly where it was.
And they go pick it up within a day or two.
Like, how are we not hearing a 777 crashing into the ocean?
There's also hydrophones in Western Australia and Diego Garcia military base.
They don't see it.
We've got four different countries radars that should have seen this plane.
You've got Thailand, India, that has a base in the Andaman Sea.
unidentified
Can I just mention very quickly, these aren't even the classified radars.
ashton forbes
Yeah, these are just the ones we know about.
So then you've got Indonesia and Australia has a JORN system, a very advanced radar system.
There's also three advanced military bases.
You've got, well, we have the Cope Tiger exercises going on.
You've got Diego Garcia military base.
There's actually a signals intelligence base in the Cocoa Islands right there in the South Indian Ocean.
As well as the Pine Gap Australia base.
And these are all bases that have very advanced radar.
They're looking at stuff in space.
None of these detect the plane anywhere there.
It supposedly crashes along an active shipping route in the morning hours, and there's no witnesses.
Nobody sees it.
We have 19 families of the passengers that sign a statement begging the government to look into the fact that the cell phones are still ringing for up to four days afterwards.
shane cashman
That story is bizarre.
unidentified
Yeah.
ashton forbes
So it's like you take all this evidence.
tim pool
Let's talk about these cell phones.
Are we able to listen to the voicemail?
Is it online?
ashton forbes
No.
So there's no evidence of any of the voicemails that are out there.
CNN had people, experts, come on and say, oh, well, it's possible for your phones to ring if they're whatever.
But I checked and asked a bunch of people.
Phones are underwater.
They die very quickly.
If they're actually underwater, you don't receive a signal.
Cell phone towers don't even go out into the ocean.
tim pool
All these articles are saying that someone uploaded a screen recording of the voicemail.
ashton forbes
That was a different one.
So that's the one I think was 2018, I believe, where that came out.
tim pool
Are you able to listen to this?
ashton forbes
I have not, but we can listen to it if you guys want to.
tim pool
Oh, I think you can.
shane cashman
Yeah, you're talking about the family.
tim pool
No, the video's unavailable!
ashton forbes
Yeah, what I'm talking about is the families were still, like, four days after the plane went missing, they were calling.
One of them showed it on TV where you can see the phone ringing.
And now, I imagine if we turn your phone off or my phone off and call it, you're not gonna get any rings.
It's just gonna go directly to voicemail.
shane cashman
I think what you're talking about is someone leaving a voicemail saying they're on some island, maybe?
That's that story?
ashton forbes
Yeah.
shane cashman
That's the crazy thing about this whole story is like, there's so many narratives.
I was just listening to someone else say that they thought the pilot took out the co-pilot and like this person supposedly heard the, I don't know if he heard the transcripts or read the transcripts and that for him confirmed that the pilot took out the co-pilot and then crashed it.
You know, it's just, and then the debris that you're talking about is bizarre.
There's a lot of stuff that's bizarre with that.
And I think I've heard you talking about the, is it GA Telesis?
ashton forbes
Yeah, GA Telesis actually purchased another plane in October of 2013.
They purchased an actual exact copy of MH370 from Malaysian Airlines, and they scrapped it.
I mean, the plane had been produced in like early 2000s, so this is a plane with only like 10 years of flight time.
shane cashman
How do you confirm that?
ashton forbes
You can actually find, there's a plane tracking or spot tracking website which actually shows, you can see the histories of who's bought these planes.
unidentified
Wow.
ashton forbes
GA Telesis buys it.
GA Telesis was started by a 34 year old military veteran.
unidentified
Right.
ashton forbes
All of a sudden he's the owner of this multi-billion dollar plane purchase company, right?
Right.
And apparently it has ties to intelligence, not speculative.
I just want to state for the record.
unidentified
Right.
ashton forbes
But, you know, if you need another plane to be out there, there's a cop, there's for you.
Maybe they use that to, you know, practice this, whatever.
shane cashman
That's your theory is like in terms of the debris, because a lot of people think of the debris as a major part of the story.
They're like, well, they found it.
They just didn't find all of it.
Right.
But what your theory is, correct me if I'm wrong, And I think it's interesting, GA tells us, if true, purchase a plane that's just like this six months prior, and then maybe put out debris where they said they would find it.
But the guy who found it is also interesting, right?
ashton forbes
What's that guy's deal?
And I don't believe anything that Jeff Wise puts out there.
He's the one that on the Netflix documentary said that this plane Gibson guy is some kind of Russian agent.
I looked at this, the documentary, I'm going, this guy's not.
He's no agent out there.
I think he's just a normal guy.
Actually, the scenario that we've put forth with this fire and what we're going to call this macroscopic phase conjugation or superluminal speed event, which you can call teleportation if you want, is actually wholly consistent with the debris that they found.
This can be debris from MH370.
Actually, parts of the debris they found that is consistent with the honeycomb pattern of a Boeing airplane has burn marks on it and scorch marks on it.
That's in the official report.
shane cashman
Right.
ashton forbes
So I don't know why people are ignoring the fact that we've got debris with burn marks on it when we're presenting this fire scenario.
They've actually only matched three pieces of debris to be confirmed to the plane.
If you look up on CNN, you'll find this picture of the plane.
It's three tiny little pieces.
This is not...
It's like we found the whole plane.
shane cashman
How did he find it?
Was he there already?
ashton forbes
He was just on Reunion Island, on the coast.
He was living out here as an expatriate, as we refer to them, and he starts finding some debris.
And this is over a year later.
shane cashman
Right.
ashton forbes
So there's plenty of times, too, where if this plane went to, let's just call it Diego Garcia, that you could, you know, disassemble the plane, throw some debris in the water.
Debris washes up.
Now everybody says, oh, we found the plane.
Right.
But then you have to go back.
Well, how come we didn't find the huge miles wide debris field that we should have found when it initially crashed?
Right.
shane cashman
Is it true that he was told by someone to go look at that place?
Is that in the documentary or is that something else?
ashton forbes
I think that's just speculative.
I think that's a rumor.
I could be wrong on that.
I'm not sure.
Now, when I was on another podcast, they did kind of drill into that a lot where it was, they thought it was very suspicious, this guy.
Cause then he starts going to like South Africa and find some more debris down there.
People have actually tried to evaluate the debris and the barnacles that are on it saying that it's not consistent.
But for me, it's every, the tiny amounts of debris are consistent with the event that we've put forth.
Because if this plane just went somewhere else, that can certainly be part of it.
And if the plane was on fire, pieces were falling off of it, then that explains the tiny amounts that they found.
I think that what the media does, kind of like the disinformation, is they throw out this flapper and they take a picture of it from an angle where it makes it look like it's this huge, huge thing.
But then you look at it relative to the size of the 777 and you're like, this is nothing, right?
And it's also a piece that could have just got ripped off.
One interesting aspect is that there is a unique serial plate on this flaperon.
It's missing, even though it can be bolted onto the flaperon.
So the media reports is, oh, they match it with some serial numbers.
They didn't match it with a unique serial number for that particular piece.
They match it with a part number, which is not actually unique.
So it could be from that GA Telesis plane, or it could just be from MH370.
shane cashman
Either way, it doesn't prove the plane crashed, and it doesn't prove that the official narratives are You know what's so bizarre also in that whole summer or the spring into summer of 2014 is that what are the odds that another Malaysian flight would be blown up?
Another Boeing 777 would be blown up over Russia or Ukraine?
ashton forbes
Ukraine, yeah.
tim pool
Maybe they were getting rid of the evidence.
ashton forbes
Some people argue that.
The problem is it's just too difficult, right?
unidentified
If I can mention very quickly, on a much smaller scale, and again I'm encouraging your audience to do their own research, if one took an object of any type and put it inside of a Bose-Einstein condensate, a quantum condensate, practically it would be something like liquid helium.
And you were to possibly enable these effects on a much smaller scale.
In other words, make a Coca-Cola can disappear from this part of the table, reappear on that end, right?
Conceptually, we're talking about the same thing as FTL communication, but the idea would be that every so often there would be this sort of, we could say, residue or resonance of the actual material that's being teleported in that liquid that would stay behind occasionally, just based off of probability.
tim pool
So you think that they teleported the plane?
unidentified
In my opinion, it speaks to... Why would they teleport the plane?
ashton forbes
So, I can jump in on that part, because if... I think that if what we have is a fire scenario, then this plane is doomed.
So, as we talked about before, it doesn't land in Penang.
Now, we don't know exactly why, but that was their best hope for this plane.
Talking to pilots after that scenario, you're basically looking for the least worst way for people to die.
If this plane lands in the ocean, even on a controlled descent, it's going to rip into pieces and everyone's going to be screwed.
If you look at the Ethiopian flight, they actually tried to land right next to the coast, and this plane rips up into a million pieces.
So at that point, you know, this plane is doomed.
And if we then move back to those 20 free scale semiconductor scientists, we found a 2005 National Security Agency report that was about commercial emergence of superconductive microchips, room temperature superconductive microchips.
Free scale semiconductors is listed nine times in that report.
The report starts by saying that this technology could be available by 2010 or 2012, but only if the government intervenes and provides funding for it to happen.
So you could actually argue that 20 people is way too many people from one company to be on a plane.
My company doesn't allow us to have that many people.
tim pool
You could destroy your company if something happens.
ashton forbes
100%.
And that's pretty much what happened to Freescale.
They ended up being sold the very next year to NXPI.
shane cashman
And who was in charge of that?
tim pool
So hold on.
What's his company?
Yeah.
ashton forbes
So Freescale Semiconductors.
I like to call them Freescale Superconductors because I think they're directly tied to the technology we see in MH370 videos.
unidentified
The idea, very quickly, is that superconductors would be able to enable, whether high temperature, low temp, or room temperature, would be able to enable, for example, mass reduction, levitation, and the instant takeoffs that people claim to see.
tim pool
So, let's slow down.
So, Freescale Semiconductors is a company, and they had employees, they had 20 employees on this plane.
ashton forbes
20 engineers.
The story was they were going to China to help improve the plants there, and If this was a situation where this is an emergency event, now you're trying to potentially save these people.
They were also tied to via RF power needs to US aerospace and defense as well.
So you have several ties that says these people might be high value intellectual property.
The only way in my mind that you're going to go to play your trump card, as I like to call it, which is break out this technology that you would otherwise never break out.
unidentified
Yeah.
ashton forbes
Because you don't want people to know about it.
You've got that trump card, you know, you want to hang on to that for the last possible minute, is that you have people on there that my scenarios are either you're preventing them from going to China because you don't want this technology to go there.
Maybe they're defecting or what have you.
The other scenario is maybe that they are directly tied to that technology.
You can't lose them.
You can't afford to lose them.
tim pool
Wait, wait, wait, hold on, hold on.
Yeah.
So there's 16,000 employees, 16,800 employees in this company.
20 is not a large number relative to the size of this company.
But should we just make it a little crazier?
On September 15, 2006, Freescale agreed to accept a buyout in the sum of $17.6 billion by a consortium led by the Blackstone Group.
Share price of $13 at the July 2004 IPO had risen to $39.35 in the after hours trading.
A special shareholders meeting on November 13th to accept the buyout.
The purchase, which was disclosed December 1st, 2006, is reportedly the largest private buyout of a technology company and one of the 10 largest buyouts of all time.
So wait a minute, Blackstone bought this company?
unidentified
Yes.
Now you're starting to get it, so... If I can mention very quickly, Tim, you had a couple years ago Steve Bannon on, and he had said something that stuck with me, which he said that when he was for a short period of time on the National Security Council, he felt that there was a very rotten element within the National Security Council that needed to be removed.
It's of my opinion that same rotten element would possibly be the, in a general way, the same individuals looking to cover these type of things up.
Because if room temperature superconductivity were to go public, it changes communication, transportation, and puts a lot of people's business interests that have been around for a while.
shane cashman
Kind of like curing cancer, what would it do to Big Pharma?
unidentified
Precisely.
Yeah, exactly, exact same thing.
I just want to make sure we're nailing this.
tim pool
This is Reuters.
Employees of Freescale Semiconductor, who were on Malaysian Airlines flight presumed to have crashed, were doing sophisticated work at the U.S.
chipmaker, a company spokesman said on Sunday.
This is Reuters.com.
20 Freescale employees among 239 people on flight MH370.
Is it simply possible?
That's crazy, this article's for my birthday, by the way, March 9th.
Is it simply possible that with this many employees of one company doing this high-level work, which Laxon was involved in, that The plane was just destroyed by some kind of adversary, and the reason why we don't know what happened is because they're desperately trying to cover it up.
unidentified
It could have very well been an annihilation event, to be honest, as well, and that's why I'm not sticking entirely with the teleportation aspect, but, um, I'm not a betting man, but if I was, I would put a bit more money on a teleportation rather than annihilation event, but of course, I wasn't there, so... I would, I would, I would...
tim pool
If someone came to me and said, I'll give you, you know, like, I don't know, minus $10,000 or something on this bet.
Yo, I'm betting on foreign adversary blew this plane up every single time.
A $10,000 bet wins you a hundred bucks.
I'd be like, well, I don't want to commit the $10,000 right now because I don't know if we'll ever find out what really happened.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
But if for $10,000, I can win a hundred bucks.
And the argument is enemy blew it up.
I take enemy blew it up.
ashton forbes
I got a hundred bucks.
Let me pull it out real quick.
shane cashman
That's probably where you should maybe describe what you've been looking at.
ashton forbes
Yeah, the reason why I would go the other way with it is that if this plane really is doomed from the fire event, then it's really got to be a rescue motive, because all you have to do if you want this plane to disappear and these people to die is let it go in the ocean and don't do anything about it, right?
tim pool
Yeah, but you don't want recovery.
ashton forbes
Yeah.
tim pool
Then foreign adversary goes in, sweeps everything up, and then says, don't look at us.
unidentified
Well, there have been articles that, and correct me if I'm wrong, but China has been working on laser technology that essentially would be able to heat something using cold fusion in a certain sense.
So annihilate an object or a person, and then they would just disappear with no heat dissipation whatsoever.
shane cashman
Space lasers.
unidentified
Space, essentially, right.
shane cashman
This is the headline I remember seeing.
unidentified
Exactly.
And this speaks to using, again, what we were talking about about an hour ago, using the vacuum or empty space, as we call it, to sort of let the internal mass of the thing you just zapped away sort of dissipate into the... But we don't need to go that far with it because we have a video from six years ago of the United States using an infrared laser to destroy a drone.
tim pool
Here, we can just play the video for you guys.
This is just it.
They have gigantic infrared lasers on ships.
This has been around for a very, very long time.
2012.
Laser weapons system.
Directed energy weapons.
And they just point a very large laser, and the drone bursts into flames.
Check this out.
unidentified
There's even mazers, which is the microwave version of them.
tim pool
And then that's it.
shane cashman
Imagine what they have now.
unidentified
Well, this is a long time ago.
This is unclassified.
Right.
tim pool
Exactly.
unidentified
This is unclassified.
tim pool
So people always talk about World War III and they say nuclear annihilation and mutually shared destruction.
And I'm like, could you imagine if after the, after like, could you imagine it's 1944 and everyone's like, We have to be very careful about the most powerful weapon imaginable, a machine gun.
And I could just imagine what would happen if the war goes out of hand.
There's gonna be machine gun fire on all the streets and then nukes dropped and they were like, oh, nobody knew what was being built.
It was compartmentalized.
For people to be like, Mutually Assured Destruction.
And I'm like, bro, you're talking about 80-year-old weapons.
It's been 80 years!
World War II, people talking about siege weapons and ballistas and stuff.
No, no, no, no.
Come on, bro.
unidentified
There's a gentleman by the name of Bill Fogle, F-O-G-A-L.
He filed multiple patents, I think, in the 1980s for what he called the Fogle Transistor, which was essentially enabling faster-than-light information projection and communication.
So, to add to your point, Tim, exactly.
And that was, I think, in the 80s?
And then later picked up by a larger company, I think in the late 90s, but yeah.
tim pool
Do you guys know about the laser-induced plasma channel?
unidentified
Absolutely.
tim pool
Yeah, they abandoned it.
It's unfortunate, but it was impractical.
The simple story is they found a way to create a lightning gun.
A cannon that can shoot you with a bolt of lightning.
And so it's actually quite simple.
It's really, really funny, because I knew a guy who worked in security, who was telling me about this in 2010, because he knew people who worked on it, but it had been abandoned.
So he was like, yeah, here's what they do.
Electricity takes the path of least resistance.
So you supercharge one electrode, and then it's going to just shoot to the ground.
What they would do is they would fire an infrared laser at extremely high power, which would ionize the air, creating a path.
That is easier for the energy to travel through than just hitting the ground and thus they could point the laser-induced plasma channel at a car or a person and then within a split second infrared laser superheats the air and the charges is amplified and then the electricity shoots straight across hitting the target.
shane cashman
Wasn't it during COINTELPRO they were talking about heart attack guns too?
tim pool
That's 70s.
I mean, that's super easy.
shane cashman
Yeah.
unidentified
That's pretty simple.
tim pool
Yeah.
I mean, there's crazy stuff like icicle delivery systems for poisons, tiny, tiny little pieces of ice that can stick into your skin, deliver a toxin and then melt and dissolve and be gone.
And you can't even see where the puncture is.
Oh yeah.
ashton forbes
Yeah.
So when it comes to this technology, I think that early on, when we looked at the MH370 videos, we had three different scenarios.
We thought, OK, maybe this is cloaking, right?
That would be the easiest one to sell to people for sure.
I wish it was cloaking.
But when we look at it, we see this smoke trail.
Maybe it's exhaust coming out of the back of the plane, but it just stops when the plane disappears.
Right.
So if it was cloaking, we'd still see this smoke trail going with no plane.
And the person who theoretically leaked these even scrolls over to the right in the satellite video to show us like there's no plane hiding over here.
And then early on, I thought it might be an annihilation event, but we really need antimatter in order to make that happen, because otherwise, you know, just going back to energy equals mass times the speed of light squared, people have done the math on the mass of a 777.
This thing would have destroyed part of the planet if you had turned that into a nuclear bomb.
You know, unlike what we saw just there with the video of the laser hitting the plane, that that plane's still on fire.
That drone is going to explode.
We would be able to do the calculations to determine that.
Um, so unless we have some way to create antimatter, then we have to kind of at least give a low probability this idea is an annihilation event.
And then really, the only thing we're left with is, well, that mass and energy has to go somewhere else.
So, you know, I don't really like to call it teleportation anymore, because it's not Star Trek teleportation.
We're not dematerializing something and rematerializing somewhere else.
It's really a superluminal event.
This plane is moving faster than the speed of light, like quantum teleportation, to another location.
And you could argue it's going to another dimension.
You could argue that it's going to the future, because actually, since time dilation is real, when you travel the speed of light, you could show up, you know, your frame of reference is different than the observer's.
tim pool
How would this plane travel the speed of light?
shane cashman
Yeah, maybe you can explain.
ashton forbes
So, it comes down to mass reduction.
tim pool
Because we're like, it's like a big leap from a battery started on fire, and then the plane traveled the speed of light and vanished.
unidentified
So if I can bring up very quickly, Li and Yang in 1957 won the Nobel Prize for the broken symmetry of opposite charges.
The idea is that essentially one using practical means cannot attain near light speeds, but if there was a, how can I put it, a shortcut or if there was a way to break the symmetry of the local, what we could say, it's called space-time metric engineering.
If you can break the symmetry of The energy around an object, you can then, going back to that fishbowl example, you can then get outside of that fishbowl and therefore that beam going through the fishbowl acting as the speed of light is no longer your limit of your speed of light, if that makes sense.
shane cashman
I think it'd be best if you could explain the images so then we could talk about this stuff for the audience to have a clear picture in their mind of like what you've been, the two videos I believe you've been talking about and then, you know, how that plays out.
ashton forbes
Yeah, and as a quick brief as well, I would say that it seems to come back to like the idea of the Alkaberry Drive, which is Star Trek warp travel, not Star Trek teleportation.
This idea that you can put an object in a bubble, right?
And if we put in a bubble, but not a bubble in the water, but a bubble of space-time itself, now your mass and your inertia is going to be separate on the inside of the bubble compared to the outside.
So now all you have to do is not move the plane at superluminal speeds, but actually have the bubble move.
And when the bubble moves, now that you can achieve relativistic speeds that are beyond what we would be able to be able to do if we are just flying through space and then friction.
unidentified
If I can give one more example, when you push a kid on a swing, for example, it's always been thought classically that once the kid gets off the swing, the swing stops, the object is still unresting.
But at the plank level or the nano level, the swing itself, the material of the seat is constantly resonating there.
This is what the Germans call the Zitterbewegung, which translates loosely to sort of the jiggling or squiggling type of effect.
The idea is that if every single object that is physical has a squiggling set of, we could say, mass within it, If you can, it has a certain frequency to it.
If your device can lock into the resonant frequency of that object, in this case, the plane, you'd be able to then manipulate, perturb its internal mass and therefore make it do exactly what we've seen, whether it's annihilate or again, teleport or enable FTL communication, for example.
shane cashman
And then how does that relate to the images?
unidentified
Yeah, so with respect to the images... That would be, sorry, in the laboratory on a smaller scale, one would see very similar effects to what was seen in that footage and the images of the plane there.
shane cashman
Right.
unidentified
Yeah.
ashton forbes
Yeah, so what's really required is some type of inertial mass reduction effect.
You have to reduce the mass of the plane itself.
Now, when we see the videos, the first thing we see is these orbs that show up.
tim pool
You have to... How do I find this video?
unidentified
Sure.
ashton forbes
You can go to my YouTube if you want.
unidentified
The idea is, while you're looking it up, is, if I can bring it up quickly, to curve space and time.
tim pool
Okay, I actually got one of your tweets.
ashton forbes
Yeah, you can find it in there as well.
shane cashman
There's two we should look at.
ashton forbes
Where the wave functions are becoming aligned with one another.
unidentified
Ultimately, we see the orbs begin to curve and circulate around the plane itself.
ashton forbes
So let's... If you want to go to my YouTube, I have both the videos that are there.
unidentified
Is your YouTube on your... No, but it's also... It is.
ashton forbes
Oh, is it?
Yeah, you're right.
It is.
And which one is it?
So this MH370 stereoscopic satellite video in the bottom right down there.
That one?
unidentified
Yep.
ashton forbes
We can start with that one if we want.
This is what they call the satellite video that's out there.
shane cashman
And it's not, for those watching, it's not a video.
It's a compilation of images that the satellite took, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
ashton forbes
I mean, that's what, yeah, what video is, right?
unidentified
At the end of the day, it's what a video is.
shane cashman
But it's snapshots, stills, compiled frames.
ashton forbes
So we see it's six frames per second.
You can see why the plane jerks a little bit.
But this mouse that we see come on the screen, this black mouse, this black mouse is actually 24 frames per second.
So early on, people were able to determine that this is consistent with a Citrix session.
So people that work at large companies will know you log into the Citrix session.
tim pool
Alright, let's slow down.
We're watching the video.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
We see these things circling the plane.
ashton forbes
Yeah, and so these things circling the plane are these orbs, and when we look at it in the second video, we can tell there's a non-radiating barrier around them.
So we're not looking at a metal sphere of some sort, we're looking at a barrier like a bubble that's pulling these orbs out of space-time, and they're mapping the plane.
unidentified
That, if I can mention very quickly, that quantum condensate that I brought up earlier, it would be the same thing that we're seeing here with the orbs.
They would be of the same structure.
tim pool
So people are saying those are like liquid helium balls that are flying around?
unidentified
Possibly.
They could be dielectric spheres with emitting liquid helium around it, or it could be entirely a full-on, like, Bose-Einstein condensate.
tim pool
Alright, now you were saying it was citric?
ashton forbes
So the citric session is when you log into a database.
So, we see that the mouse is at 24 frames per second, but the background is 6 frames per second.
So this is consistent with somebody actually logging into the spy satellite database and doing a recording.
Now, like we talked about before, this doesn't have to be in real time.
tim pool
They could have pulled this up later on.
ashton forbes
And this is where the plane disappears.
So the orbs actually change orientation.
At first, they're circling around the plane, like in a sphere, which seems like they're mapping it.
We don't know the exact purpose, but it seems like there's clear purpose there.
And they're also in a 120 degree zero point sinusoidal pattern, which is apparently some type of electrical engineering system that's very common.
And I think that people have speculated it's a 440 volt system.
tim pool
I have a, I have a substantially simpler explanation for this.
ashton forbes
Sure.
tim pool
Somebody made it in Unreal Engine in an hour and then posted it on the internet.
ashton forbes
You know what?
I'm not going to go ahead and argue or kind of, uh, you know, come to any necessary conclusion on that.
My mindset is that this is a real video, but if people want to believe this fake, it's too hard to believe.
shane cashman
Can you give us like your best defense of why you think it's a real video?
ashton forbes
Yeah.
So first of all, we had $150,000 bounty out there.
for anyone to come forward to give us proof that they made it.
Now, if you made these videos, there's not a single discrepancy on either of the two videos in a single frame.
If they did, they're a master VFX artist.
They didn't make any mistakes.
tim pool
No way.
I could make this in a couple hours.
shane cashman
I have seen a few people on YouTube.
tim pool
I can make this in a couple hours.
ashton forbes
I've seen a few people on YouTube recreate it.
A lot of people claim that.
tim pool
So we have... I used to do flash animation when I was 14, so 20-some odd years ago.
And we've been... Like, we do video game devs.
I used to make video games.
I used to program video games.
I used to use Flash and Multimedia Fusion.
Yeah, I could make that in Unreal Engine in a couple hours.
I would download pre-existing assets that already exist for 20 bucks.
Then I would just create a motion animation.
I could easily program three white balls to spin around it.
That's ridiculously rudimentary.
Then after I render it, I would set a low frame rate, I would throw it into Adobe, set a low frame rate, then I would record a weird-looking video, so there's a disparity between the mouse, and then I'd upload it, and then you ask, why wouldn't someone accept $150,000?
I'm rich, I don't need your money.
So there's a lot of people who might be bored and think it's hilarious, and they're like, your money means nothing to them.
unidentified
It's a very fair point.
tim pool
And also, just sorry, some 20-year-old kid who's a Bitcoin millionaire is thinking like, I'm bored and have nothing to do.
He makes this, posts it, and then you're like, I'll give you 150 grand.
He's like, I got $300 million.
I don't care.
ashton forbes
Certainly could be a possible explanation.
So I'll just run through the requirements and then you can jump into the science side of it, which I think you want to do.
So I mean, first of all, we have the bounty.
You have between four and 72 days to create this back in 2014, because we've been able to show that these archive videos are going out there from It says received March 12th, 2014, which is four days after the event says uploaded May 19th, 2014.
There's no reference copy to copy it from.
So it's one thing where anyone can potentially recreate the Mona Lisa.
But if you're doing it from scratch is a completely different story.
You would have to be aware of the fire scenario, since we know that we can see the smoke coming out the back of the plane where the plane is too low for contrails.
You'd have to know how to create the volumetric clouds that we see in both videos as well, how to accurately animate the cameras, how these clouds form at low altitudes.
You'd have to have the accurate lighting when the zap goes off.
It actually accurately lights the clouds in the foreground and in the background as well.
You'd have to be able to recreate what MH370 looks like exactly.
The turn radius of the Boeing 777 while on descent is actually maxing out the capabilities.
There was actually somebody who posted on social media claiming to be a VFX expert on Top Gun Maverick.
They said this would be some of the hardest part to recreate.
They actually had to fake some of that actually in the Top Gun Maverick Of this video of the little white plane?
shane cashman
Did you verify that?
ashton forbes
There's actually two videos.
shane cashman
Who's the Top Gun guy?
ashton forbes
Yeah, so I talked to them.
They didn't want to go on the record, unfortunately, so I'll have to stay unverified for now.
But I think that you would be able to confirm whether or not having a plane realistically move in a video like this would be a hard thing to do.
shane cashman
It seems to make sense.
tim pool
I totally disagree.
shane cashman
You said earlier that it could also be exhaust.
tim pool
I'm gonna hit up my VFX company.
I'll pay them.
ashton forbes
Yeah, we also got Marvel VFX expert Jeffrey Ford to go on the record and say that just to research the information about the classified information and what these should look like, the drone, etc, that would take several months to do as well.
And he was somebody who's worked on Endgame, Spider-Man No Way Home, Captain America, Civil War.
shane cashman
I have seen a few videos on YouTube of guys doing these videos and recreating it.
I don't know.
tim pool
Again, like... I mean, look, I just pulled up Unreal Marketplace and searched for clouds.
Like, it's really easy to do this stuff.
Let's do Jet.
unidentified
All I was going to say is that if somebody faked it, in my opinion, they did a very good job.
tim pool
Guys, the Unreal Market has no 777, but I'll try and find one.
ashton forbes
No, and a lot of people have.
What are the other requirements?
Yeah, there's some more requirements, too.
So you have to know about the Citrix Session, of course, as well, related to that, the frame rate difference related to that, the type of mouse they use.
There's actually an acceleration when they change the perspective.
The perspective changes eight times.
That's different than what we see from the mouse moving.
So either there's two analogs or like a ball in the middle, or if you guys have laptops, a little button in the middle of that as well.
Um, you'd have to know what the false color IR looks like because we actually think we're looking at nighttime here and actually just recently we've been able to show there's videos where you can make nighttime look exactly like daytime as well that are out there.
Um, you'd have to be able to animate the orbs correctly.
Now when we look at the orbs in the second video, We've seen nothing like this in ufology or anywhere else.
They seem to have a gravity engine forward facing on them, as well as a heat signature in them that's consistent with a monopole.
shane cashman
Is that sort of what Bob Lazar talks about with the gravitational engine?
ashton forbes
It's similar, but it's like it's our version of it.
This is why I don't think we're looking at aliens.
This is why I think we're looking at like Lockheed Martin technology.
shane cashman
Well, I think Bob Lazar was maybe looking at stuff we were making.
ashton forbes
Yeah, it could be.
tim pool
I think Bob Lazar was lying.
shane cashman
He could be.
ashton forbes
There's a lot of different agreements and disagreements on it.
And what I'd say too is that everything out there has been debunked by someone or other, right?
And that's why, you know, you kind of have to come to your own conclusions and evidence.
I'm not telling anybody what to believe or what to think.
I'm just saying, here's the evidence.
You come to your own conclusions.
So some of the other details that are really difficult, including that particle engine from the orbs, is how to animate the final frames.
And the final frames, you actually see just recently, we've noticed that the orbs change orientation right before they converge on the plane.
And now when they converge, this is like they're inducing that singularity that we see, which is causing this quantum entanglement effect that we believe.
This is why we actually think there might be a fourth orb.
Dave Rossi is actually the one that came up with this theory as well.
Where there's a fourth orb, and what's happening is like a slingshot effect, where you pull the rubber band apart, and then when you click the singularity, poof, all of a sudden everything appears over here.
shane cashman
Let's just say the video is real.
What makes you think the orbs and the portal, or whatever you want to call it, are connected?
What if they're two separate events?
Like, I think of stories of people on military bases saying they saw UFOs as a missile was about to be launched or something, so maybe...
If you want to say this is real, uh, maybe they appeared knowing something was going to happen.
You know, like what makes you so confident that the orbs in the wormhole, you're talking about the condensation.
unidentified
I think it speaks to, forgive me if this is overly scientific, but it's you have to break it down.
Yeah, sure.
shane cashman
Sure.
unidentified
I'll say the first the first sentence in scientifically and then I'll break it down essentially.
It speaks to this higher symmetry electromagnetic what's called gauge invariant generally covariant quadrupole moment.
What that is essentially fancy words for is that a dipole are two opposite charges very close to each other.
And if you can put two dipoles over each other, you now have a quadrupole, essentially.
Now, quadrupole has four points to it.
And so, we've seen from the work of scientists like Robert Forward and others, all the way going back to the 1960s under the Air Force, Hughes Aerospace, you know, Lockheed Martin and all of that, that quadrupole mass oscillations can in fact induce gravity waves or gravitons.
And if you can emit gravitons, you can basically manipulate the reality around an object.
shane cashman
Do you feel like sometimes looking at this video though, that you're using things like that for confirmation bias?
unidentified
Well, one thing I want to say, sure.
One thing I want to say, and that's a great question I wanted to bring up a couple minutes ago, is that if someone did fake this, and again, this is my opinion, they've done a fantastic job of making it look exactly like some things I've seen in the laboratory on smaller scales.
shane cashman
So we're talking about a Boeing 777.
unidentified
That's right.
I get it.
tim pool
This image is like, this is not a high quality image.
I saw the other one where it's like the thermal.
shane cashman
I think we should get the thermal one too.
ashton forbes
Let me finish a couple of things.
Because on the thermal as well, you have to know what the MQ-1C Grey Eagle looks like.
We've identified the drone that's involved.
shane cashman
Do you consider that perhaps it came out of the government?
ashton forbes
Yeah.
shane cashman
And I'm not saying as a leaker.
I'm saying that the government made it and put it out.
ashton forbes
In my mind, if you think about it, you have to have this knowledge of classified systems back in 2014 as well.
The only people in my mind could fake this would be the government themselves.
The problem with that is that you go show this video on CNN.
What are CNN brain viewers going to think?
unidentified
I mean, they also had Don Lemon saying there was a black hole.
ashton forbes
But they're going to say, oh, this is a fake alien invasion.
They're going to say, oh, this is the government that created this.
It would implicate the government themselves.
So just a couple last thoughts.
shane cashman
Unless, sorry, unless it's a part of a PSYOP of the government saying, look, we're capable of doing this, whether we are or not.
This type of like global cold war digital scenario where, yeah, we're going to scare people, whether or not this is real.
unidentified
Well, sorry, if I can say very quickly, this speaks to the notion of what's been called dual use, right?
You can use a hammer to fix something or to hit someone on the head with it.
So, in this case as well, whether it's what's been called psychotronics or gravitational wave emitters, I can't rule anything out as to what you guys are proposing either, to be fair.
tim pool
Someone in the chat said, the guy who faked this is laughing his ass off right now at these outlandish explanations for his fake video.
ashton forbes
Sure.
tim pool
I think that's just, you know, look, a lot of the things you're saying may be correct, but I think it's just infinitely more plausible.
Some dude made this video.
And you can also easily explain, very easily explain, how to make the thermal video and the satellite video sync.
So it's like, we got these two different videos.
One's thermal, one's not.
They both show the same motion, same movements.
How do you do that?
It's really easy.
When you're using something like Unreal Engine, the position of the camera can be changed.
Just by dragging your mouse and you can record a scripted event in these games.
Hey, I play, uh, I love this game skater XL and I'll make the little character do a kickflip backside Smith down the big handrail.
And then after he lands it, I can rewind time and watch it from any angle I want and record the video from any different angle, put filters on it, and then just make it look however I want.
So recording an event like this and making it on a computer is not difficult.
ashton forbes
Yeah, well, anything can be faked, right?
Especially in this day and age, especially with AI.
Now, that's part of the reason why I think this may be one of the last chances here where we have true disclosure.
Because we know this is 2014, it makes it quite a bit difficult.
It actually predates a lot of AI.
Computers have advanced a lot in the last 10 years.
In order just to render this, because you need a 3D environment for your two different angles.
I've heard that just rendering it on computers could take weeks.
Now, the last thing I would say is that I would like you to think about this, is that how did the person who hoaxed us know we would never find the plane, not even nine and a half years later?
Because the moment we find the plane or like a significant debris field.
Oh, you don't want to hear my theory.
shane cashman
What if there was no plane ever?
What if it was a hologram?
What if there was no, the whole thing is fake.
There's no, there's no people on the plane.
Free scan, I mean, is a thing really, but like, it's perhaps, I'm not saying that's what I believe, just saying when things like this happen and there's no real transparency and any official narrative is never even the full narrative, you shouldn't believe that, and we should all be having these conversations because I think everything we're talking about is like, there's a reality to it.
This kind of stuff is stuff the government's been talking about doing.
Whether or not these videos are real or not doesn't take away from all the conversations we're having about the satellites and advanced technology.
tim pool
Why does it blur like this?
shane cashman
Let's watch this.
Let's watch this thermal video.
unidentified
It's interesting.
ashton forbes
Well, so the blurring is interesting because in the last frame, the plane blurs.
And I've been talking to physicist Roy D. Herbert about this, and he thinks this actually proves a mass reduction effect that's happening, because what we're seeing here is gravitational lensing.
So it's creating a field around the plane, an azimuth around the plane.
And in the final frame, we see the orbs actually flatten, consistent with gravitational lensing.
Like if you were to look at a star behind a black hole, and actually the plane... They don't flatten, they blur.
Yeah, well actually you can see the flattening effect there a little bit.
tim pool
But that just could be an issue due to the blurring of it.
unidentified
This is called a lens thuring frame dragging effect.
Yeah, this would be a blur, we could sort of say a collapsing of the wave of the mass itself sort of situation.
tim pool
But that's a ridiculous explanation for the camera blurred.
ashton forbes
I know, so this is... It's not blurring in the other frames, though, right?
It's only blurring there in that last frame.
tim pool
There is some blur in, like, here, for instance.
ashton forbes
Yeah, a little bit.
tim pool
And they also... Hey, it flattened.
unidentified
And then it deflattens.
See?
tim pool
Oh, they're flat.
Now they're not flat.
ashton forbes
That's actually the part where they're changing orientation.
Interesting.
tim pool
So it blurs.
See?
They're flat now.
And now they're flatter.
And now they're circles.
unidentified
If I could say very quickly, Tim, this also speaks to when people film allegedly UAP with their phones and the phone is very blurry and all of that.
It speaks to this notion that if you can bend gravity itself, you can therefore bend light.
And our pixels in our cameras are only rendering a flat space-time and not a curved one.
tim pool
What if Bigfoot is just blurry?
unidentified
Yeah.
shane cashman
Blurry creatures.
tim pool
I think that was Mitch Adbert.
ashton forbes
That's extra scary to me.
shane cashman
Yeah.
So with this, with this Mitch, Mitch, you said Mitch?
ashton forbes
Yeah.
Mitch Adbert.
shane cashman
Aw man.
ashton forbes
Rest in peace.
I saw him three times before he died.
shane cashman
That was his joke, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
What if Bigfoot is just blurry?
unidentified
Yeah.
shane cashman
He was one of the best.
Our friend, our friend Brett, who was the host of Pop Culture Crisis was at his wake.
Wow.
But this video, I know there's a lot of discrepancies with that frame that people say is taken from a video game.
Now, how do you feel about that?
Like, what is your... Which one?
Which frame?
Kellen, if you can go to where the thing is going.
tim pool
Oh, I'm controlling it.
ashton forbes
You're talking about the pyromania of EFX.
shane cashman
That right there, I've seen a lot of people break that down, saying that this was actually taken from the game Killing Time from the 90s, and then put on top of that, and they lay it on top of it, but they say then, you know, they have to distort it to get it to fit right.
But the thing that's weird to me, and I want to hear your explanation on that, is that Killing Time is a video game about an object and people that disappear.
ashton forbes
I didn't know that, yeah.
shane cashman
So what if someone did do that?
They knew what they were doing, in my opinion.
But when people and when people overlay the image from the killing time game onto that blast image of that one frame, and it does seem to add up, like, how do you describe that?
ashton forbes
Yeah, I mean, I think that what they do is they try to reshape it, recolor it, and they try to get the edge to map up.
And we've actually found that there's a lot of different effects in physics that you can do that same thing where you match up that blast wave because it's just a dispersion effect that a lot of things have.
And the problem is when they do that, they ignore the middle part.
Where if you look at the middle part, you can see there's these extra lines and explosion effects that are going off there.
shane cashman
But they can take that stuff away, no?
ashton forbes
Sure, you can take anything away.
But remember as well, this is an original thing.
Now, if this was something where you're copying it, I'd say absolutely, you can easily just copy it.
And that's what a lot of them do.
They say, okay, I'm just going to blur this and change this.
Now, if you were to take that same effect and not have something to copy, and then change it to try to get to match, how long would that take?
You know, I think that that's a much more difficult challenge.
shane cashman
But the chaos of an explosion, and then the fact that an explosion can match in any way, seems It's actually really common, is what we found.
ashton forbes
Somebody actually on Twitter did, I think their, if you want to look up their, their Twitter was level 39 and they showed that there's several different effects that actually match in this exact same way where you can get it to line up just like that.
shane cashman
But we're talking about effects and a supposed wormhole as opposed to, you know, like the video games and this video, you know, and not just like the explosions that we know of on earth.
So that, that's, what's weird to me.
ashton forbes
Yeah, and what we're looking at is actually an endothermic event.
So that's why we see it cold on the thermal there, which is really the exact opposite of an exothermic event, which is an explosion.
And I think the big thing that makes the deception of that VFX go away is when you look at the other frames and you realize it's not even close to the same.
Now, that one frame looks similar.
tim pool
I know what happened.
shane cashman
But just the one frame is enough for me to question it.
ashton forbes
Oh, of course.
tim pool
I know what happened.
ashton forbes
Of course.
shane cashman
Oh, Tim.
OK, guys, you heard it here first.
The culture war.
Tim Pool is about to solve these videos.
tim pool
They're fake.
The aliens made them to throw you off the trail.
ashton forbes
Now we're talking!
And so, you know, what my goal here is, is like, again, people think that I'm super tied to these videos just because I've been the one investigating them, what have you, but here's a simple answer.
If they are fake, then the U.S.
government should be able to come out and say, hey, this whole MH370 videos thing, this is not us, this is not our MQ-1C Grey Eagle, that's not our sentient program using sibbers to, you know, track this plane, which we know it can do.
They should be able to come out and say that, right?
Now, if they come out, I don't think that they're allowed to lie.
Now, of course, they can lie in general, but I think that if they were to take a definitive statement, they'd have to say, we cannot confirm or deny anything that we see on the videos, right?
And that's why they can't come out saying anything.
Because if they did say that, everyone would go, oh crap, it's real.
tim pool
They're allowed to lie.
The issue is more so lies can get you caught lying.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
So that's one of the reasons they'll say I cannot confirm or deny is because you don't want to create a scenario where you give someone a definitive ability to debunk.
unidentified
Exactly.
ashton forbes
That's what they want to avoid.
And here's the thing, too, is that, you know, if they did that, we have so much evidence that we would be able to poke holes in it.
And we think we've actually found the person who leaked these real videos.
Now, when I was staring at these videos, I thought, huh, I can build a psychological profile for the person that leaked these.
Because in the satellite video, you don't see the drone.
It's cropped out.
In fact, in the drone video, the HUD's been removed and it's been thermalized.
They've actually added a thermal layer using the Raytheon onboard software to put that rainbow palette on there.
It's not something we've seen in a lot of these drone videos that come out there.
So it seems like this person would have been a U.S.
military personnel.
They would be somebody that was not trying to damage national security.
They were trying to give the minimum amount of information away to solve the case.
They might not even have thought they were looking at U.S.
technology.
They might have just thought, we're looking at UFOs here and I'm going to show that UFOs zap the plane to the Xenu dimension or whatever, right?
So, I was digging around looking for people just like we were doing earlier for people that had been charged with espionage, willful retention of classified information, national security information.
I couldn't find anything for weeks.
I almost gave up.
And then I started changing the date range searches around.
And all of a sudden, Lieutenant Commander Edward C. Lynn pops up.
On every single article I'm finding about him.
Signals intelligence.
Worked on the VPU specialized squadron spy planes.
He was actually deployed to this squadron on February 2014, one month before the plane disappeared.
He flew in the Lockheed Martin EP-3 Ares II, which has real-time tactical SIGINT and motion video intelligence.
What the crew does is they fuse collected intelligence along with off-board data, And they create battlefield situational awareness that they then report to leadership.
He was reassigned March 25th, 2014.
The investigation began April 2nd, 2014 into him.
In May of 2014, he was caught with flight manifests that include search and rescue code names.
I can't think of any others after May, you know, between March and May.
The only search and rescue I can think of is MH370.
The defense in the case argued that the classified information in question was available on the internet.
We were actually able to look at the appeals and the penal codes related to his appeals in his case actually include the possibility that what he had leaked was video.
It could have also been images and pictures and other things as well.
shane cashman
I saw that story.
Didn't he end up, then this is just their official story so take it with a grain of salt, but didn't they just say he was passing information along to like a girl?
ashton forbes
that he had met and it wasn't really it was a sting operation that they ran on him so they ran a sting operation in august of 2015 they arrest him in september of 2015.
mh370 investigators have speculated that perhaps the reason why they didn't arrest him right away right after the event is because they need to disconnect it from the the plane disappearance otherwise people are gonna be able to figure it out right away so they wait like a year right then the fbi runs a sting operation i think they actually got him to sleep with this woman and start telling her secrets and stuff like that because otherwise the problem was they were trying to get him with espionage which would have been charges that resulted in life in prison right they're going to be able to get him to Turns out it wasn't really a spy case at all.
They ended up having to admit that there was no evidence whatsoever that he exchanged any information with anyone from China.
They held him in pretrial detainment, even though the judge that kind of ruled why he was such a huge risk didn't have any evidence.
They wouldn't show any evidence of why he was a huge risk at all.
We entrusted him with nuclear weapons.
This guy was a patriot.
shane cashman
Do you think he's Regicide?
ashton forbes
The guy who put up the... I don't think he's Regicide, but I think he might be connected, potentially, to somebody.
If Regicide was the first person that uploaded these videos, which we think that's at least the evidence we have... And that was in 2014, he uploaded them?
Yeah.
shane cashman
And started a Twitter account in 2014?
ashton forbes
Yeah, so on May 22nd, 2014, started a Twitter account.
This is three days after the publish date of the videos.
shane cashman
Right.
ashton forbes
It says, watch these videos before they're deleted.
Tags MH370 in them.
shane cashman
Right.
ashton forbes
A lot of people wonder why do we think this is MH370, other than the fact that it's a plane that looks exactly like MH370.
tim pool
A group called Corridor Crew, someone chatted this.
ashton forbes
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
They apparently already, they recreated it perfectly.
They found the effects that were used and everything, and they remade it.
They remade the whole thing.
ashton forbes
That's not Corridor Crew's video right there.
tim pool
That's not, I know.
ashton forbes
Yeah, so that's not Corridor Crew's video.
They did not recreate it.
Actually, their recreation was embarrassingly bad, just for the record.
We looked at it, they couldn't even recreate five seconds of the video, and it's not even similar.
You can find it on my Twitter account.
We actually made a joke about how bad their recreation was using the Jury Duty TV show, because It looked like some little kid's cousin, like, you know, nephew made the video that's out there.
This was that other one that you were showing was a completely different one.
Now, I don't take anybody seriously that looks like Jordy LaForge sitting on a couch, but this is not how you debunk videos is sitting around there trying to make jokes about people. - Why is the reality of the video so important to you in terms of this whole case? - It's actually not really that much anymore.
The fact that we've got so much evidence around the rest of the disappearance, the fact that we know a plane can't crash into the ocean without leaving a debris field... Because all that stuff is crazy.
Yeah, I mean, like, we just know there's no chance that this plane crashed into the South Indian Ocean.
The pilot's suicide narrative doesn't have any evidence that supports it whatsoever.
The flight that he was supposedly practicing days before was actually MH150 to Jeddah, and he was actually planned to take that flight and fly that route, like, one day later, February 4th, 2014.
So, once you dispel all these narratives that are out there, you realize that no matter what happened to the plane, it's not what the official story is out there.
unidentified
Of course.
tim pool
You know, I mean, like, they have an overlay from Killing Time?
ashton forbes
Yeah.
tim pool
And it matches.
ashton forbes
And this isn't even, the thing about their debunk is that this is not even their argument.
They just stole this from Mick West on Metabunk.
Like literally, and I went on the Concrete Podcast and I was ambushed by these, this video at the end.
And I just thought it was a joke because I was expecting them to have a recreation.
I think these guys are VFX experts.
Can't they recreate it?
Like you said, if it's so simple, it would have taken them less time to recreate it than to make the video about it.
tim pool
Yeah, but these are guys, they're not trying to make a recreation to debunk something.
They're trying to make money off of an entertaining piece of content.
ashton forbes
You are correct.
tim pool
You know, so back during Pizzagate, I absolutely loved the absurdity and the stupidity of what people had done.
Emails get released.
WikiLeaks drops these emails.
We clearly see something weird is going on.
You have these emails that say things like, is it more fun playing dominoes on pizza or pasta or something like that?
Yeah.
And what happens then is one day, For seemingly no reason, someone on 4chan posts that pizza means boy and pasta means girl.
A list of code words and their meanings.
And then somehow and for some reason, every single person tracking this started repeating the lie.
It was fabricated.
There's no evidence this is true.
None of it was true.
And then all of a sudden, the whole narrative shifted to something that made no sense.
And, of course, was easily debunked and resulted in complete nonsense.
The reality is, at the time, the actual argument before the introduction of the fake evidence was that pizza and pasta were references to drugs.
That high-profile personalities, politicians, were having parties with elite Democrats and politicians in DC.
And when they were referring to playing dominoes, they may have well been referring to playing dominoes, but when they said pizza or pasta, they were using code words for drugs because they didn't want to send emails saying crack or ecstasy.
Someone then made up and completely fabricated this.
I will say this again because it is so annoying.
Fabricated that pizza means boy and pasta means girl.
Made up.
So what I did was in my, you know, like IRC hacker friend groups, I took a newspaper from the area and then I circled some things on it, referencing pizza and pastas and deliveries.
And then I said, take a look at this guy's more evidence to make the point, because these people were like, dude, whoa, pizza and pasta.
So I took a newspaper that had coupons in it.
One of them was for a local pizza restaurant, unrelated.
And I said, we found another one, posted it, and then said, look at this.
The extra-large meal is $2 more than the small meal?
Something doesn't add up.
Why would double the size of the pizza only be $2 more, right?
And they go, whoa, you're right, that makes no sense.
And look at this.
The jumbo family combo?
It's double the price of the extra-large meal.
And look, also, the extra-large meal had no description.
So you have small meal, and it lists all these items.
Chicken wings, breadsticks.
Then it says extra large meal, and it's a small box with a price that makes no sense.
And then the next meal, once again, lists the chicken.
This one is code.
Because if you're in the know, and you're part of this conspiracy, you know that this is the one that's actually signaling.
And they're like, whoa, dude, for real?
And I was like, NO!
I took a stupid newspaper and sent some stupid BS to you guys.
You guys were clearly thrown bait by someone who's trying to get you off the trail of what they're actually doing.
Probably having orgies and doing drugs in DC.
And now you guys are chasing after a psychotic story about some pizza basement because pizza and pasta means nonsense to you.
They tricked you.
This is my point.
So when you see a video like this, it flabbergasts me.
But I get it.
You clearly have the explosion in this thermal video matching a video game from, what, the 90s, is it?
Or something?
I think it's the 90s, yeah.
And you're like, okay, we don't even need this video.
This video does nothing for us.
It in no way explains or does anything other than confuse you and make you start tracking the wrong thing.
It is so easy to shatter investigations from crowdsourced groups on the internet by introducing nonsense they chase after that has nothing to do with what actually happened.
ashton forbes
Well, so the problem is that it does, though.
It explains the whole story of the plane, right?
It matches up with a witness that we have in the location.
I think one thing that I didn't even mention in the things to fake it is with the coordinates that we see in the bottom left, there are six decimal places.
You'd actually have to build a separate computer program just to have that coordinate system that you overlay over your fake video.
tim pool
So somebody who's researched everything you've said and knows everything you've said makes a fake video, and then you go, wow, it matches everything I've said.
ashton forbes
Within 72 days.
And the problem is if you think back, because you guys are old enough to know.
tim pool
How do you know it was within 72 days?
ashton forbes
Because we have the published date on the Internet Archive that says that dates back all the way back to 2014, that it was published on May 19th, 2014.
So that's the most amount of time you have.
tim pool
So how do I verify that?
ashton forbes
So yeah, you can find that.
It's on my All Evidence link.
shane cashman
I think the original YouTube channel is gone now.
ashton forbes
Yeah, the original you can only find on the Wayback Machine out there.
For now, you can just take my word for it, but I've got a link to it in my All Evidence.
shane cashman
My theory is, what if they made it well before we even believe they made it?
ashton forbes
Yeah, no, I think that the idea that it's a PSYOP, again, I can't rule anything out from that perspective.
And I also can't definitively rule out that this is some kind of hoax that's out there, right?
tim pool
But it does tell a story.
We also have no confirmation that the video is of MH370.
ashton forbes
Well, so it matches a 777-200.
The thermal's an exact overlay as well.
We can actually see the color tone from the satellite image where it's light on the top and dark on the bottom as well.
And we know that Regicide Anon on May 22nd, three days after they uploaded it on their Twitter, actually tagged MH370 in it.
It's also the only known missing 777 as well.
tim pool
So when CNN is blasting this thing 24-7 and every major news outlet's doing this, some VFX guy just made a video and then uploaded it.
ashton forbes
So the problem is that it was so much obfuscation early on.
Even now, people are like, wait, didn't that disappear over the South China Sea?
Right?
Because they don't realize that, okay, early on, we didn't even know about this narrative of it going back over Malaysia for like five days.
And they were still searching the South China Sea, even though they knew, Malaysia knew the whole time that it wasn't there.
What also thrives, if you go watch the Minister of Defense, his interviews, he actually admits that they knew the plane wasn't hostile.
Now, how could you know the plane's not hostile unless you have communication with the plane?
Now, this pretty much rules out a hijacking scenario and a pilot suicide scenario, because in either of those scenarios, you're not going to know it's not hostile.
You should send up jets.
They never sent up jets.
So there's actually an interviewer who actually talks to him and says, well, why would you send the jets up?
He goes, well, why would I shoot down the planes?
Like, no, just to track the plane and see where it goes.
So even, you know, in the three months later, we didn't have the Immersat data.
The Immersat pings were not publicly released and they were released through a blog two or three years later in 2017.
So the idea that someone could piece this all together is, Maybe?
I mean, even the idea and narrative of going to the South Indian Ocean was first posed by unnamed U.S.
sources on March 13, 2014, which is one day after supposedly RegicideAnon received the video.
So again, I can't rule it out.
I'm not trying to tell people what to believe.
I think that my opinion is that those videos are real and that the science will catch up with us at some point and prove that we can teleport objects even potentially as large as a 777.
It seems impossible.
shane cashman
And I think some people might hear that and think that's absurd, but we've clearly been working on technology to do stuff like this.
I mean, we've done crazy stuff from MKUltra to the, if you want to believe the Philadelphia experiment, you know, obviously the Manhattan Project.
A lot of weird things are up.
I don't think we need these videos to prove that we do it.
The thing that really is concerning to me, I hope people take away from all of this, is that, and maybe you think this too, like, if we have these global infrared systems tracking everything, then they must have known.
Whether or not these are actually satellite images, they must have known that, oh, there's the plane, we'll just let it go.
And then if you think, if you want to accept that, what else are they watching just letting go and happen?
Like some weird false God.
unidentified
What other methods of surveillance do they have that are not even publicly disclosed?
shane cashman
It's coming from within and from without.
unidentified
It's everywhere.
shane cashman
The whole planet is covered in these satellites.
So again, whether or not we want to believe in these, it's almost like it doesn't even matter.
Cause like there was a plane, unless you want to take my theory as it's a hologram plane, which I, please, you can go down that route too.
Then that means that we had satellites tracking us.
And the Cope Tiger, is that what you say?
The Cope Tiger scenario in the ocean, also crazy.
ashton forbes
Yeah.
shane cashman
Like every part of this is nuts.
tim pool
Remember old school YouTube?
shane cashman
Old school YouTube.
tim pool
Yeah.
You can watch the video.
Uh, yeah.
ashton forbes
So one thing I want to say too is I was never into conspiracies or anything before this, but I did know there's no way that we could not be tracking a, I knew the United States must know more about what happened to this plane.
Right.
But I was never into conspiracies like this.
Until I saw this and realized, like, holy crap, this makes more sense than the crap that some of this... Are there other videos, like, from the UFO world that you look at and you say, like, that's totally fake or that's totally real?
unidentified
Well, if I could say very quickly, even putting aside videos, there have been experiments in what have been coined the, we could say, alternative or fringe physics field that have gone back as early as...
World War II ultimately that have shown that people in their garages have done things that today would be considered quote-unquote impossible, right?
And so that's another thing I wanted to re-emphasize as well is not so much the, at least for me personally, although I do have great support and respect for Ashton here, the conceptual physics behind the video itself is something I'm personally more into trying to emphasize.
Because of the fact that it's not about, for me, is the video real or not?
As I said earlier, for me, it's more about... And I'm not trying to... To be fair, I'm not trying to use that as a cop-out.
If it's fake, it's fake.
But if someone did fake it, they've done, in my opinion, a very good job of correlating it to what experimental... And what I'm saying is it could have been faked by someone who also knows the same theories as you do.
shane cashman
And so they knew that someone like you, knowing those theories would be like, I'm going to lay this out, you know?
And then someone with my expertise in that field would be like, well, it does add up to what I've seen on a smaller scale or what I've read about.
So that's what I worry about.
Cause I worry about this with, especially moving into 2024 with the way we are going to experience insane deep fakes and insane AI that this is out here now.
As a way for various reasons to prove what maybe the government can get away with in terms of twisting your perception.
unidentified
Right.
And if I could be clear as well, there are things as a consultant, contractor, et cetera, I've seen that, you know, certain people would say, oh, that's impossible.
And so that's why I would like to very kindly reemphasize to you guys here and also to your audience that I'm not trying to tell anyone what to believe or what to think.
I'm trying to give the, as many forms of pieces of information as I can that allow people to put things together on their own.
shane cashman
When people are going to hear you say DOD contractor, and they're going to think you're connected to this on Yeah, sure.
unidentified
I'm completely fine with that.
I just encourage people to listen to what I have to say scientifically, and then they'll be able to tell.
shane cashman
It should be up to everyone to determine what they think about this, and that's how we need to move into 2024.
Right.
Because everything is going to be like that.
ashton forbes
Yeah, I want to say, too, from the UFO community perspective, too, like you just mentioned, I started getting interested in UFOs when those DoD Navy videos were declassified, and I thought, oh, maybe there's something here to this, right?
Yeah, the Tic Tac, the Gimbal, Go Fast videos.
I thought, oh, OK, there must be something.
I've never once since then saw videos where I thought, like, I would need to be so compelled as to become an activist until I saw these videos.
And I think the aspect of this forward-facing gravity engine you see in the thermal, that's the one where I'm going, wow, I've never seen anything like that at all.
shane cashman
That's where I'm saying that is kind of like something what Bob Lazar would say.
And it's something with knowledge of that could then apply.
unidentified
apply that to the video you know because it is no one thinks like on the mainstream level exactly the forward-facing requirements so now right it's like okay now you got to know about ufology and how these graphics are the most popular podcasts in the world all he does he loves talking about if i can give a practical example and i do believe it may be difficult to look up but i'd happily provide the actual paper itself for anyone interested after but essentially there was an experiment done by two gentlemen named saxel and woodward and
And what they found was that when they took an aluminum cylinder and they put it on a scale and they would rotate the cylinder while charging it electrically, the cylinder would begin to lose its weight.
20, 30, 40 grams, the faster they spun it.
And so it speaks to this notion that, well, if you had a craft, for example, that was a metal, sort of like what we see on the table here in the studio, then it would be able to slowly, this would not be the instant takeoff that people claim to see.
This would be the slow lifting off from the ground.
This is what it could give rise to.
That's what this material room-temperature superconductors give rise to.
I would dare to say, in my opinion, there's three different ways to generate these gravitons.
First one is electromechanically, using spin.
Second one is solid-state.
And then the third one is lasers and plasmas.
I would say the lasers and plasmas, probably the least matured field, but the solid state one has been something using superconductors that can even, even high-temp cryo-cooled could still emit this type of stuff.
shane cashman
Yeah.
And all that is plausible.
And when I think of this, I think I'm going back to the government because I think they're not the boogeyman for everything, but they do do a lot of crazy stuff and I can't help apply My skepticism to the government, to anything, especially this, because we know about Lockheed Martin.
unidentified
Absolutely.
shane cashman
Or Raytheon and stuff like that.
tim pool
Here's a conspiracy theory for you.
shane cashman
Oh, beautiful.
tim pool
This video is made by the government.
shane cashman
That's what I'm saying, dude!
tim pool
And why is because they want shows like this to exist because they want China and Russia To look at this and say, we don't know if this is, uh, actually I'll just, I'll just, I'll give you the example of the men who stare at goats.
You guys know the story about this one?
unidentified
Yeah.
shane cashman
Oh yeah.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Yeah.
They, they, the, the, what is it?
Like the, the, the US thinks Russia has got a spy, a psychic program.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
So they launch one and then Russians find out the U.S.
is launching a psychic program.
So they launch one.
unidentified
Yeah.
shane cashman
And it was just... We're going to explode and blow it's heart.
tim pool
The U.S.
government has great psyops incentives to make something like this because you get tons of podcasts talking about it.
And then what's the reasonable reaction from Russia or China?
It's not to say they're aliens.
It's to go, is there a possibility the U.S.
has weapons that we're unfamiliar with?
Right.
Let's put resources into it.
And it drains resources into stupid nonsense.
ashton forbes
Yeah, it could be.
I think that if you... Now, if I look at it, part of the reason why I think that that's somewhat unlikely, in addition to the idea that, you know, they've never promoted this in nine years, right?
We know it goes back nine years.
If they had done it right away, I said, okay, that's for sure what I think is.
I think they're probably the only people that can pull off faking these videos just because of the requirements.
But I also want to point out a couple things going back to the conspiracy angle that may add to this or take away from it, is that China actually hacked Malaysian government the next day on March 9th.
Because China knew something was wrong.
They've got satellites too.
It's actually, you can Google and you can find the articles about it.
So they actually pulled off a social engineering scam against Malaysia.
And they were able to get people to click on a link saying that they found debris.
And when they did, they were able to hack into their system.
They actually stole the crisis meeting minute notes of MH370, as well as classified information about the plane.
which on March 9th, what classified information would there be about the plane other than- - They knew beforehand. - They knew something else happened.
Or before.
Now I've also FOIA'd at least like what, seven different agencies, either about Edward C. Lynn case or about MH370 going missing and the satellites.
Every single one has been rejected for various reasons.
Now, O'Reilly Tate, she was- - FOIA requests have been rejected, you're saying? - Yes.
- Can you say, did they say why they were rejected? - Yes, to be kept secret in the interest of national defense or foreign policy, Basically, all of them get the same exemption, which is from an Obama-era executive order, because Obama actually opened up FOIA requests back in 2009.
But he put this exemption in there, and this is one of those reasons is national defense or foreign policies.
They rejected everything about the Edward C. Lynn case.
I FOIAed the NCIS, who are the ones who are the investigators.
They wouldn't give me anything, not even one redacted document.
O'Reilly Tate's, she did it to the NSA, National Security Agency.
We found this historical record for doing that back in 2014.
That got completely rejected.
FBI rejected me.
The NRO said that they would technically reject it because it's going to take longer than 20 days.
It's been well over 100 days now.
I don't think I'm going to ever get anything back from them.
And recently I've also FOIA'd the NGA, the National Geospace Agency.
I'm also going after the Air Force and the Navy for communications logs from the airplanes that were in the sky around those days as well.
Because I think that there must be some angle of attack to figure out what happened.
shane cashman
Right.
ashton forbes
But why would they be rejecting all this?
This is the United States government.
shane cashman
To keep their disinformation campaign going.
ashton forbes
But, you know, and can they do that in a FOIA?
Because can't they?
shane cashman
They can do a lot.
ashton forbes
Yeah.
shane cashman
They can do whatever they want, honestly.
ashton forbes
The NCIS, though, it was the head of legal of information, like the FOIA information is the one who responded back with their name, you know, signature on there.
So to some degree, there's some element of liability if they lie as well.
To me, something happened here that is being protected in the interest of national defense and foreign policy.
Now, what is it, right?
shane cashman
And it could be, back to what I was saying, they knew they were tracking this plane.
We know these satellites exist.
And then they were just like... And then didn't they stop the search earlier than other countries?
Yes.
ashton forbes
One month after, the United States was like, oh, we're done in April.
And in April, Obama visited Malaysia for the first time in 50 years as well, and stayed there and hung out with the prime minister for a couple of days.
shane cashman
Go thank him for making his hologram plane.
ashton forbes
Yeah, covering up whatever really happened there, right?
So, yeah, I think that no matter how you look at this, there's a conspiracy angle here that is not resolved.
unidentified
What's ironic is I agree with you as well on the fact that, I know you're joking, but practically, from a physics perspective, the hologram angle is interesting.
shane cashman
Let's put joking in quotes.
unidentified
Right.
shane cashman
Right.
Cause like project blue beam is another conspiracy, but it's something people think about, especially in this community of the UFOs and the conspiracy theories and people, when you know, certain types of information that's out there, at least been theorized, it makes it okay to then question anything like this because we know things from the past.
And we were only, a lot of the stuff we're talking about stuff, we know from decades ago, a lot of stuff has happened since we might talk about MK ultra with people that's in the past.
And they're like, ah, it's in the past.
I'm like, no, no, no.
It's just everywhere now.
unidentified
Yeah.
shane cashman
We're in MKUltra's wet dream.
tim pool
Are you guys familiar with talking plasma?
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Ian brings this up quite a bit on IRL, and the idea is rather simple.
You can use multiple lasers to, when they collide in space, create a three-dimensional image, which you can then move around at the speed of light.
unidentified
And if you, if I can mention quickly, you can also add a non-linear barium titanate crystal into that laser, and then you can also amplify those effects.
I'm totally with that, yeah.
tim pool
So when we have in the public sphere, because Project Bluebeam is trending right now.
ashton forbes
Because of the aliens?
tim pool
Because of the aliens, yeah.
So when you have, we know about this at the public level, and I don't know if you want to pull the image up.
It's a very simple image of talking plasma.
They're just pointing lasers, and when they intersect, it creates a point in space.
You can see it floating, but it's just two lasers.
You do three lasers, and now you're moving around a three-dimensional object.
Imagine what would happen if you have 10,000 or a million, You know, we take a look at TV screens and how many LEDs are in a 4K screen?
ashton forbes
They're pixels, yeah.
shane cashman
I've had a TV since a Magnavox.
tim pool
A lot.
4K is a lot.
It's, you know, yeah, I don't know.
Now imagine if the U.S.
government has been able to create a system with one million by one million lasers, or that's probably a ridiculous number, but let's just say like a thousand by a thousand, and then they're all pointing them in the sky.
Creating images.
unidentified
And if I can mention- Like planes.
shane cashman
Like planes or clouds.
unidentified
Right.
And I believe photons are the only particles that humans can see directly within the full spectrum of it.
And so, exactly.
Yeah.
tim pool
Could very well be easy to scale up what we already know with talking plasma into full objects in space.
shane cashman
Ashton, you're talking about like timeframe and how they could do it in a certain amount of time, or like why they wouldn't have done it sooner with the government releasing stuff.
I mean, this is my bias towards the government is that they slow roll these things.
You talk about predictive programming earlier.
I believe in that too.
It's pretty crazy that a Boeing 777 went missing on a show.
And then 10 years later, I think this happens.
Now we're 10 years later.
Sorry.
10 years later.
Now we're talking about it again.
And it's always incrementally getting crazier and more absurd.
unidentified
Yes.
shane cashman
But that's just me because I might be crazy.
unidentified
Well, if I can, the whole thing with the talking lasers concept, and it makes perfect sense, and I think slow rolling is an understatement because when we think of the ability, when we combine the concept that there's, you know, the notion of alchemy and cold fusion combined with lasers, for example, you may be able to get photons turned into phonons, which are the sound you may be able to get photons turned into phonons, which are the sound version And from there you can then perhaps at a, at the, basically at the molecular level, penetrate from a distance using a laser beam, one skull.
And then you have all of a sudden some spirit is talking to you.
shane cashman
I think maybe you posted like, uh, like sonic waves, adjusting water, you know, aren't there stories of the weapons of people getting sick?
What is that?
unidentified
It was alleged during the Gulf War a lot of this was tested as well, too.
tim pool
You guys know about ultra-low frequency generators?
unidentified
Absolutely.
The Gwen Towers, Ground Wave Emergency Network, the Air Force, yeah.
tim pool
Well, I don't know about that specifically.
unidentified
There's articles from the 80s on that.
tim pool
So, you all have generators in the column?
Weapons that emit ultra-low frequencies that you don't immediately perceive, but can cause Problems, hallucinations, auditory hallucinations, heart palpitations.
unidentified
This speaks to the Tesla work, the idea Tesla proposed that the ground itself, the earth, was a capacitor.
So if you can get frequencies to run through the ground instead of the air, then you can have it, for example, lock into the resonant frequency of another person.
shane cashman
Please don't make me derail this conversation and talk about how Tesla's work was taken by Trump's uncle and now Trump's a time traveler.
That's another podcast.
unidentified
That's another podcast.
tim pool
I've read a good amount about, back in the day, I read a lot about directed energy weapons, but ultra low frequency weapons are hypothesized, and this may be true, I don't know, I haven't read into it in 15 or so years, it can make you vomit.
They can put this generator Pulse these ultra low frequencies into a populated area and then all of a sudden people start feeling nauseated and some of them will start vomiting They can also I believe this is true.
They have light weapons.
Yes that Can you know, you know, they always get warnings on you know games like seizures and stuff They actually have programmable high-powerful lights that can make you not nauseated They can point it at you and they can press the button and then you start when you look if you look at it It'll start making me feel it makes you feel sick and I was reading about how They've done lab experiments where they've simulated hauntings using ULF generators because it makes your hair stand on end, you're feeling something, it makes you feel uneasy and sick.
Things start feeling cold and they're like, we can simulate the experience.
So what this has resulted in, and this was non-nefarious, they were just trying this out, they said, What if a lot of people are experiencing these ghost phenomenon in these key areas, not because there's ghosts, but because there's a seismic plate or some kind of earth activity emitting an ultra low frequency, which is hitting these people in this one area, resulting in a high density of stories from this one area about ghost experiences.
shane cashman
You're talking about, I call, I've been calling them fear rituals where we all experience these things like collectively.
This is one for me.
unidentified
Right.
This is what I was trying to say with the alleged testing during the Gulf war with the psychotronic weapons, right?
These ULF ultra low frequency devices where certain people claimed, you know, the spirit of God was speaking to them.
And I don't mean to insult anyone with their personal beliefs, but the notion that this is possible makes one think, okay, so we have solids, liquids, gases, plasmas, then lighter than that.
We have our Bose Einstein condensate that we were talking about earlier.
If one can manipulate the particles of that condensate to get, become even lighter, but still controllable, you would basically, from a visual perspective, you'd basically be creating what people call quote-unquote ghosts.
Yeah.
And so.
shane cashman
This is why I keep saying about the false God.
unidentified
Right.
shane cashman
I believe in God, but I also believe people are manufacturing God.
unidentified
This is why one of the reasons I wanted, I appreciate Ashton for bringing me on the show because I think that one of the reasons that I'm doing this from my perspective is that this has gone too far in terms of the suppression of this stuff.
I understand to a certain degree for NATSEC, genuine national security reasons, but this is too far.
shane cashman
Too far in which way?
unidentified
It's been suppressed and hidden for too long.
shane cashman
How do you feel about it going too far and us having like a moral compass to stop it?
And do we, because we know other people are creating it.
unidentified
This becomes the problem.
The problem is, is I think once you start hiding things like certain elements of the government have decades ago, it becomes more difficult to reveal it.
But if you don't, then it gets even worse from there.
tim pool
So the ACLU has listed on their website, infrasonic weapons that use inaudible low frequency sounds to cause pain and disorientation currently on new technology under investigation.
They also mentioned the mosquito, Whichever, you guys know about that.
It's a high, super high frequency sound that only younger people can hear, because as you get older, your ears get worse.
There's a, um, the dullest town center mall, I think it is, nearby.
They, uh, I caught them blasting, and I'm, like, this should be illegal, I gotta be honest.
We walked into the mall, and this is like a year and a half ago, and...
Instantly, it is a painfully loud noise where I'm like, I gotta, like, I get older people can't hear these sounds, but imagine someone cranked a jackhammer to, like, in full volume in the mall, and they, like, I don't, I think it should be illegal because this is, this is, physical harm is being caused.
It's on my Instagram, if you go way back in time, I recorded it, I have a sound frequency app where you can play it and it'll show you all sound frequencies.
So if it's inaudible, it's picking it up and you can see a huge spike in a certain frequency.
So I brought it, I came back home, took the recording, put it into Adobe, and then I used a parametric equalizer to isolate the frequency that I saw, spike it, and you can actually hear as I'm adjusting it in real time going...
unidentified
You know what's incredible?
It's incredible because these devices enable, in my opinion, they use parametric resonance to enable these effects.
And the question I would have for both of you guys, and for your audience as well, is that how do you sue the government, or how do you take the government to court for something that doesn't officially exist?
And you see what I'm saying?
shane cashman
It's like COINTELPRO again.
tim pool
Think about how crazy this is!
So this mall is blasting a sound at an insane, insanely loud volume.
Kids who are in the mall and complaining to their parents, mommy, it hurts, my ears hurt.
She's going, nothing's happening.
Brings her to the doctor and says, she's hearing strange noises.
The doctor says, there's no noises.
Do you hear the sounds now?
This should be totally illegal because the other issue is these kids are going to get hearing damage.
And then it's going to be remarkable when you go to court and you're like, I have an audio recording proving they did it.
You press play and the judge goes, I don't hear anything.
You go, look at the spectral map.
unidentified
And this is why I like to emphasize that we are only as good as the detectors that we make.
And that's why by not, for example, if we have a certain spectrometer that tests only a certain frequency range by definition of that detector, the other aspects of outside of that range don't exist.
shane cashman
Right.
unidentified
And so to Tim's point, this is where it becomes scary because you may have someone going to a mental hospital when they've actually heard something that was actually genuinely induced.
ashton forbes
If I could.
tim pool
Could you imagine?
Like, we hear these stories where a guy's like, I'm hearing people whispering, and then they're like, he's crazy.
It's like, no, they're actually using Mrs. Dead License.
shane cashman
Evolution of MKUltra, in my opinion.
unidentified
To add to that, to the evolution of it, I would encourage you and your audience to look into something called longitudinal scalar wave interferometry.
They show how they use x-ray microwave transmitter receivers at a distance to do this stuff, essentially.
shane cashman
Do you think they make it sound so hard to remember and say, so we just give up?
tim pool
I'm the only one wearing the headphones, but I'm gonna play two videos for you.
Okay, and let's go.
ashton forbes
This is gonna fry my brain.
shane cashman
Yeah, you're done now.
unidentified
It's a great point by the way, use big words.
shane cashman
It sounds good though.
tim pool
And they have these speakers.
unidentified
Can you hear it?
shane cashman
It's crazy, right?
tim pool
120 weeks ago.
blasting a very high frequency sound.
It's called the mosquito tone.
Typically older people can hear it.
unidentified
You can all hear it.
tim pool
It's basically at full volume.
Imagine someone's blasting full, like 120 weeks ago.
Now check this out.
For those of you that couldn't hear it, here's me taking that recording I made and running it through Adobe and Parametric Equalizer to, I pitch shift.
Sorry, not Parametric Equalizer.
I was wrong.
I pitch shift the whole thing, so it brings the frequency down to audible levels.
Or to an audible range.
Here we go.
Alright, so check this out.
I'm gonna play the recording from the mall with the mosquito tone.
The speaker's right here.
I'm gonna play it right now at normal pitch.
You guys ready?
unidentified
Alright, so...
tim pool
Some of you can probably hear it.
Many of you probably can't.
For those that couldn't hear anything, let me help you out by pitch shifting this down because higher frequencies are harder to hear for older people.
unidentified
And here's what it sounds like to me and our friends.
Wow.
ashton forbes
I guess this means I'm old.
unidentified
That's so bad.
tim pool
So I walk in the mall and I'm like, yo, I'm like, we got to leave.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
This is crazy.
Imagine the highest it's as loud as possible.
I complained to them all.
They denied it.
They said, we don't do that.
That's not true.
All their speakers were doing it.
unidentified
Man, so Edward Teller the father of the H-bomb was on the William Buckley show like in the 80s and he was talking about the Star Wars strategic defense initiative under Reagan using these direct energy weapons and he explicitly stated in this clip which is on YouTube that he said he goes, the public academic community thought direct energy weapons were not possible because the physics was not doable.
And he said, he goes, after we revealed the classified equations to them, we showed that it works.
And then he went on this rant where he talked about even at the time in the late eighties, he felt that the North American system was driving secrecy and physics far too much.
And he said, he goes, the Soviets had it.
And it's true.
If you look, the Soviet union was much more open about their, their R and D. If I could jump in one of their suits.
ashton forbes
Technology, I want to kind of highlight here as well as Salvatore Pius's patents that have been out there, because we're talking about some of these advanced concepts that maybe the public doesn't know about.
And one of them is high frequency gravitational waves.
And he says that you can generate high power frequency gravitational waves by high frequency accelerated axial rotation and or accelerated high frequency vibration.
Gravitational waves production by propagating electromagnetic radiation through strong magnetic fields.
This can enable quantum coherence, macroscopic quantum coherence, namely possible quantum behavior at macroscopic objects.
Multiple high-power, high-frequency gravitational waves focused on a particular point in spacetime can induce a spacetime curvature singularity.
You can generate a well in the flight path of the plane, or a flight path of an object, and controlled motion of charged matter under rapid acceleration transits may lead to room temperature superconductivity.
Nuclear fusion may be engineered, and finally, energy may be amplified to such a high degree to generate space-time curvature singularity, leading to the total destruction of a planetoid or asteroid.
tim pool
I'm going to be, I'm really excited for when I have to apologize to Don Lemon.
shane cashman
That's the Psy-Op.
I got it.
That's the Psy-Op.
It's for alt-media to go and say, you know what, Don Lemon was right because we rag on him all the time.
So that's the Psy-Op.
tim pool
It's all one big, long, multi-decade joke on us.
And when it's over, it's like, no, that was just a joke.
shane cashman
Is Don Lemon behind this video?
unidentified
If I could very quickly just help simplify slash translate some of what Ashton said there.
shane cashman
Oh, real quick.
And before you do, is that something he wrote?
In response to the videos?
ashton forbes
- No, this is 2018 patent.
And actually, so what the story was that somebody said, "Hey, you should reach out to Salvatore Pius." And I had remembered these patents, they're called UFO patents, although I think that's a little bit, does disservice to him.
And I get an email back like the next morning, like, "Hey, set up a podcast." So now I created my own podcast called Hard Truths just because I wanted to interview him.
And now I've interviewed him three different times, or actually two different times, one with Dave Rossi as well, where we did a panel as well.
And, you know, he has the same approach that Dave did, which is that, OK, well, somebody faked this.
They're like literally showing my technology and the patents that I've put out.
unidentified
So the idea is that electromagnetically, if certain conditions could be met, then from that you can have sort of how can I put this?
You can.
The same way that a male and female come together to give birth to a child, for example.
The way that electromagnetism would come together to then birth a new particle, which in many cases would be a graviton.
So in other words, you're using light, electricity, and magnetism to meet certain conditions to transform it into a certain type of energy that would enable the gravitational effects.
shane cashman
I'm clear.
You're saying that what you're saying is then applied to the image of the orbs in the videos.
unidentified
Correct.
Correct.
shane cashman
Circling, and then you think they're creating, is it bulk modular when you're condensing something to disappear it before it disappears?
unidentified
They're inducing a form of pulse width modulation, and we could say as well, a form of parametric resonance to allow for the matter of the object itself to begin to fluctuate, and then it'll expand, contract, and then it would disappear.
Whether annihilator teleports, a different story.
shane cashman
And that's a theory that's been out there.
It's possible then that people saw that and made that video.
unidentified
And this is why it speaks to this notion of what's called gravito electromagnetism.
Now, with that said, there's also been a lot of, we could say, fringe theories that don't work.
But the idea is that electromagnetism and gravity have a direct connection and that some think it's been unified and that it's been held secret to.
Others think it hasn't been found yet.
You know, it's not.
ashton forbes
A lot of the science, the science has only come out since like 2020 and beyond.
Like I would actually argue that we couldn't even understand the videos to begin to be real until 2020, maybe 2023 today.
shane cashman
But then that falls in with my theory of the government making it.
Cause then the government, they want to say it's 50 years ahead of what we know about.
They would then slow roll this thing out knowing, Hey, in 10, 20 years, we're going to do this.
That technology that we're, you know, is 50 years ahead of what people know about.
We're going to start inserting it into the collective consciousness.
unidentified
Well, exactly.
ashton forbes
And so, yeah, and like, even like the ER equals EPR has been out there since 2013, but the idea of having traversable wormholes where somebody can actually go through a wormhole and not die from... No, no, sorry.
unidentified
ER equals EPR has been out, I think, since like the 30s, since Einstein published it.
Yeah.
Wow.
ashton forbes
But yeah, in terms of like the combination of the theories and what have you.
unidentified
It takes society a long time to, especially the scientific, the theoretical physicists, to begrudgingly accept certain effects.
Whether it's like Aronoff-Bohm, it took them like 30 years to accept that.
shane cashman
Right.
Can you describe, like, when you say traversable wormholes, what do you mean?
ashton forbes
There's actually a Popular Mechanics article out there that references three different papers that I read.
I actually went through and read the papers, not just their summary of them, but they basically say that you don't need exotic matter to create a wormhole, and that a human could survive going through a wormhole if the gravitational forces wouldn't rip you to shreds.
And then the third one says you could actually create a double-sided shell, probably electromagnetic shell, around an object to allow the whole object to go through it.
And why that's important is in order to go through a wormhole, you need negative energy.
unidentified
Negative mass, negative energy.
ashton forbes
Negative mass, negative energy, because otherwise it's like trying to fit your butt through a door.
unidentified
And the way you get that is by curving spacetime.
ashton forbes
And so the thing is, if you can reduce the mass of the object by creating that bubble around it, so now its mass has become zero, now you've solved all the problems.
Now you can get it to go through the wormhole.
shane cashman
Right.
unidentified
The other thing that we needed, which is just to be fully transparent... Sorry, you've also found an answer to everything.
A unified field theory.
ashton forbes
Yeah, just to be transparent, though, I've been sitting out here going, when I just looked at these as a non-scientist, as a non-PhD, and said that we need these papers to make this make sense.
We need this information about this Trump satellite picture to make sense.
We also need room temperature superconductivity for it to make sense, LK99.
And then the last thing is we need to understand chat GPT-AI is something that's real.
Because when we see these orbs circling the plane, there's not little aliens or even people in those orbs.
It's way too exact, that pattern.
It's a computer program that's running that.
And this is what I think is so compelling to me is that I'm just throwing this stuff out there and then I've got these engineers and scientists coming to me going, oh, you're proving my theories.
And I'm going, OK, well, I was just guessing.
So, wow.
tim pool
What if what if MH370 was just deleted by the programmers running the simulation?
unidentified
Fair.
tim pool
I just highlight it and click delete.
unidentified
Fair.
ashton forbes
And really, this science does come to, like, it just becomes magic at some point, right?
If we are in a matrix, like, it is like being in a video game and just pulling your cheat codes up.
God mode turned on.
Okay, I can just delete whatever I want.
I can move it.
And that's what's scary about this, and this is what I'd kind of lead into for Dave as well, is that, you know, this type of technology, all the stuff we've been talking about is related.
Faster than light communication, the ability to be able to teleport an object, be able to cloak an object, be able to create an energy field of some sort, Fusion power, especially portable fusion power.
unidentified
There are some genuine concerns with it, because if you, you know, you make something in your garage using this type of aspect of physics, and you want to make something for, you know, a hoverboard, for example, with an afternoon worth of adjustment, it could be weaponized, and that becomes the doomsday weapon, right?
shane cashman
That's why I'm here to say today, we need to shut down the Large Hadron Collider, and all particle smashers, if you think something backfired on some guys, shut them down.
tim pool
I said turn it up.
Yeah, exactly!
ashton forbes
I was like, I want to shoot a particle accelerator through a toroidal magnetic field, and I just want to break the fabric of spacetime.
Let's just make it happen.
shane cashman
You guys don't have kids, I guess.
ashton forbes
So one thing I want to propose to Dave, too, though, is that, you know, something he's told me is that, you know, they have to have psychologists on staff for the people that are doing these types of experiments behind closed doors.
unidentified
When you're in compartmentalized programs, You guys think that they have anti-matter weapons?
ashton forbes
like these technologies that we're talking about.
And then you're going and getting your gas powered car, driving to your house, fueled by normal power, by energy.
unidentified
- It becomes a mind trip, especially when you leave a lab for after eight, nine hours, and you've been working on stuff that is considered impossible, FTL, et cetera.
shane cashman
- I mean, look at Tesla all those years ago.
unidentified
- Right, what is the thing, right.
tim pool
- You guys think that they have anti-matter weapons?
ashton forbes
- Yes. - We were just talking about that beforehand, and I think that a lot of this stuff kind of goes back to, what's the implications of this?
Like, honestly, if that wasn't MH370 in those videos, I'd go, you know what?
I really don't want to be exposing this.
If this is some kind of super weapon that we have, the United States is hiding, like, I'm a patriot.
I want to make sure that that stuff stays quiet.
But I imagine if these videos are real, then China and Russia figured that out, and they've been reverse engineering.
Maybe if it's a PSYOP, they've been thrown off the trail.
tim pool
I would not be surprised if we have antimatter explosives at the bare minimum, and antimatter explosives is like the most rudimentary form of weaponization of antimatter.
unidentified
I think that what we see in the film Tenet, for example, like the reverse form of weaponry and even movement of everything, I think that's, yeah, I think we have that for sure.
Reverse entropy?
Negentropy, reverse entropy.
tim pool
Well, it's not even really negative entropy.
Because negative entropy would still flow in forward time.
It would be inverted entropy.
unidentified
Like an anti-forward flow, if that makes sense.
ashton forbes
Either way, we're dealing with stuff that's like, you know, we're not talking about, and I think from the ufology perspective, when I talk, now I'm apparently in the UFO community.
When I talk to these UFO kind of researchers and stuff, I always ask them the same question.
Would you still be for disclosure if it meant weapons that could, not just like nuke weapons that would destroy a city, but one person, an ISIS terrorist, pressing a button, blowing up the whole planet, right?
Like, would you still be for it?
unidentified
Or where's the line?
shane cashman
Before what?
ashton forbes
Before you say, okay, I don't want to reveal this.
tim pool
I assure you, 100% of people working on the superweapons will tell you.
ashton forbes
"If I don't do it, someone else will." - Exactly, yep. - Better I have it than me. - I'm told that all the time. - That's the response I get back from a lot of them, is that it's up to us as humanity and our own kind of will to determine what we do with this technology.
If we make it and we destroy ourselves, then that's our fate, you know?
And maybe that's the answer to the great filter and the Fermi paradox is that any sufficiently advanced civilization figures out how quantum and macro unification technology works.
And now we can create doomsday weapons and they just destroy themselves, right?
Maybe that's why we don't see them.
tim pool
It's not even just that.
You know, I think it's a very human thing to say that we'll blow each other up because humans have war.
But it could be something substantially simpler than that.
We have fire.
Yeah.
And forests can burn down and kill everything within it.
It may not be that the Great Filter is any sufficiently advanced species develops bombs to blow themselves up.
Any sufficiently advanced species accidentally discovers the chemical reaction between insert element and insert element, which results in total annihilation.
So it could be akin to a fire.
A guy is sitting in the woods and, you know, he's playing with flint rocks, like caveman, and he's just whacking them and he's seeing the spark.
He doesn't know what they are and he's like, wow!
And he hits it and then fire starts.
Whole forest burns down in mass and just wipes out his entire village and all of his people.
And then I have no idea what just happened.
I hit these rocks together and then everything just was destroyed in a blaze of fire.
It could be a scientist who was working in a laboratory And he goes, Hey, we've got this interesting new, uh, you know, high energy, high density substance that we're going to try and mix with this chemical.
And then, and then all of a sudden the air starts just the, the gas particles solidify and condense.
And then all that atmosphere just collapses in the earth is just a barren rock.
And then everyone dies instantly.
unidentified
Well, even from that perspective as well, if we were to scale it down even a little bit, there have been in the past patents that have been filed in Canada, America, et cetera, that induce what's called coefficient of performance over one.
In other words, you put one or two Watts in and you get say nine or 10 Watts coming out, right?
Some people have said in the past, you know, it's not possible because perpetual motion is not possible, et cetera, et cetera.
The point being ultimately, regardless of how you look at it, if, if there have been individuals that have made that and powered their homes off of those devices, what does that say about the power companies that you would have to rely on?
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, I think typically what we see with those stories is that there's an energy source that's not being easily understood.
So, for example, there are people who have made perpetual motion machines, and you're like, that's solar energy.
unidentified
Well, there's solar, and then there's also, if I could say quickly, there's also a magnetic and acoustic component, where if you can recycle the magnetic flux within a system, then you could...
tim pool
And electromagnets work better than this.
The reason why static magnets don't work is because they're pulling equally in both directions.
But you'll watch these videos online.
I watched one where it's a guy like he built a wheel that keeps spinning, like keeps going.
And then quickly the first comment is like, What's happening is light is hitting the top portion, which is causing energy to expand, causing it to move.
So it's a great way to convert solar energy, but you are not creating perpetual motion.
So as for the systems you're describing, it may just be that we're like, hey, look, we're getting this positive reaction.
And it's like, well, the energy is coming from somewhere.
unidentified
It's certainly, well, the idea would be that the energy would have to come from somewhere.
The question is, is in certain cases, is it coming from the sun?
Absolutely.
Photosynthesis, we can argue, is a perfect example of quantum entanglement and all of that, but also the idea... Photosynthesis?
One can, yeah.
tim pool
How is photosynthesis entanglement?
unidentified
So the idea, if we go back to the shooting a laser beam through that fishbowl of water, essentially the idea is that photons that are coming from the sun, they begin to hit and come into the atmosphere.
And then the same way they run through the quantum vacuum by kinetically being emitted, reabsorbed, emitted, reabsorbed.
So there's a kinetic component there, which deals with what's called the kinematic viscosity of the space-time metric.
And eventually the photons will hit the plants and then those plants will eventually, the photons will leave from those and then re-emit into something else, into But where does the entanglement happen?
Basically, the idea is that it's all around us.
We just can't observe it.
Which is what would give rise to the effects of what make UAPs work and all of that.
Using the quantum vacuum, the zero point as it's been called, etc.
Of the energy that's all around us.
Right now there's magnetic fluxes and electric fluxes all around us right now.
tim pool
Right, but entanglement specifically between particles.
unidentified
Right, exactly.
So, in other words, what happens is that the particles emit the fields, the fields emit the particles to fluctuate.
The idea is that the entanglement is always happening all around us right now.
That's the notion.
Now, if I could say very quickly, one of the issues is that when you take theoretical physicists, especially the older ones, let's say, and they have no problem talking about it on paper, but the second you translate it into a laboratory experiment, they lose their shit.
So, it becomes more of a cognitive dissonance with the old guard and the young generation, if you will.
ashton forbes
One thing I just want to add on to is I was watching a Bob Lazar video the other day, whether or not you believe him or not, he has a really good point about, you know, back in the day, if you were to take people from, let's say, the Salem Witch Trials era, and you were to show them nuclear technology, they would go in there and they would look at it and they would all start dying from it because of the radiation, right?
And they would think, oh, well, it's possessed by demons, right?
And then they would go ahead and burn people at the stake or whatever the case is.
It's like, we have to remember that any sufficiently advanced technology is going to be indistinguishable from magic to us, right?
And to your point about what you're saying with the rocks and what have you, it's like, okay, yeah, now if we start messing around with the wrong thing, we might start having effects happen.
People start dying.
We might not even realize what the implications of that are.
And as I think we've all seen from what Dave Rossi has been explaining to us here today is that, you know, from a normie perspective, my perspective is like, man, this is way over my head to even understand.
Like I could easily, if I was messing around with it, hurt myself without knowing, right?
tim pool
I'll try and translate it into something that's probably not correct, but to attribute, to make it more understandable, the concept of combustion, or ignition, the point at which the energy of, we're talking about carbon and oxygen, will sink, emit energy, we get fire, you then have, hydrocarbons have carbon in it,
In terms of what we're doing with the Large Hadron Collider, for all we know, there could be an atomic ignition point at which atoms break and release a ton of energy, causing the atoms around them to break and release a ton of energy.
ashton forbes
Yeah, chain reaction.
tim pool
A chain reaction in which some guy in the lab says, let's crank this up as high as possible and see what happens.
And then he creates a particle of a certain degree of energy, which emits energy and then everything around it starts reaching the same temperature.
And then you won't even realize.
Everything is just breaking.
unidentified
That was like in the Oppenheimer film.
They show in the film, Oppenheimer, that there was at one point a theory, a proposal that if they even did the nuclear test of the atom bomb, it would set off a chain reaction that ignited the atmosphere.
shane cashman
Right.
There was a lawsuit against CERN in like 2008 to prevent it from turning on because there was other physicists who believed it was going to create a black hole and suck us into that.
But they also were saying, if it doesn't do that, it'll turn the earth into a one pole system and create what they call the sphere of strangeness, which I believe is where we are.
tim pool
Sphere of Strangeness.
unidentified
I'm for it.
shane cashman
The Sphere of Strangeness is where we are.
Get postcards.
Welcome to Sphere of Strangeness.
tim pool
You know, everybody knows what happened.
I mean, Hillary Clinton was getting ready for her major victory.
Then the mad scientists at the Hadron Collider fired it up.
A pulse of reality-altering energy rippled through the universe, and then all the numbers got switched, and Donald Trump won.
shane cashman
Yeah, the guy with the reality show that came to TV.
TV president, real president.
It's great.
tim pool
I'm just waiting for when the spirit of strangeness, you know, gives people superpowers or something, because now we're talking.
shane cashman
We might have them, we just don't know how to use them yet.
We've got to unlock it.
tim pool
Yeah, but that would mean like we're talking about, you know, stupid powers, like, you know, premonitions or something.
Now I want to see a dude turn to a guy made of ice and like, then make a slide and slide around.
unidentified
A bit of a side thing very quickly is that in the, I think it was the seventies or in the eighties where someone had gone to, someone had taken a multimeter, like just a voltage reader, right?
To go to the Vatican where a bunch of people were praying that day.
And the thing spiked like crazy when people started praying.
So clearly there's something there with the human biofield and et cetera.
tim pool
I think prayer is real.
unidentified
Sorry?
tim pool
I think the power of prayer is real.
Oh, I think... But I think the mistake a lot of atheists make is they assume prayer means beseeching God, whereas I just mean like the collective force of consciousness.
unidentified
Yes, right.
tim pool
And call that prayer, call it, for those that are religious, it is, you know, connecting with God.
And for those that are atheists, it is the combined consciousness or whatever, man.
Yeah.
You know, one thing, I'll just, we're a little bit over, but I'll throw out one last thing out there.
Energy cannot be changed... I'm sorry, energy cannot be created or destroyed, only changed.
unidentified
I agree.
tim pool
And then, I love when... So what happens to the energy that makes up you when you die?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
It changes?
Dissipates?
ashton forbes
One last thing I'll say is that, you know, as part of this investigation, looking at the science of it, I've actually become more spiritual.
I don't think there is any inconsistency between religion and science, actually, you know, because of those types of things that you just mentioned.
unidentified
What if it's like, Tim, to your question, what if it's like the same way you pour a bucket of water into the ocean and it kind of just...
Immerses with the rest of it.
shane cashman
Yeah, that's kind of yeah Yeah, things die and come back.
Yeah, the sort of recycle rice, but I also believe in the well obviously and trees die and they come right they come back So I think we've we've solved it.
tim pool
Yeah, it's over.
We're actually gonna walk out now and show everyone the plane No, no, I'm what's gonna happen now is as we wrap this show up and just shrug and say man I if only we really knew once we leave We're all going to talk about what really happened because we all really know.
This show is fake.
I got a script right over here from the government.
shane cashman
Should we tell them you're a deepfake this whole time?
tim pool
We make that joke all the time.
But we did one bit where Jack Posobiec shows up at the castle with the scripts for Timcast IRL and they're like massive because it's two and a half hours of conversation.
And then we had, we actually have it somewhere, the fake Timcast IRL script.
Oh, it's in the other room?
ashton forbes
No, the next thing is they'll just find the plane next week all of a sudden after 10 years.
You guys have been talking a little too much about it.
shane cashman
But you say that and we still can't even believe that because what you're saying, what you're telling us is like, we'll just keep going on and on and on.
unidentified
It doesn't end.
shane cashman
It doesn't end.
tim pool
Do you guys want to, we're going to wrap up.
Do you want to shout anything out before we go?
ashton forbes
I would just say, you know, if you want to come along with the investigation, check out my Twitter account, check out my YouTube account.
I've been streaming pretty much every night because I want to be fully transparent about everything I'm doing, because I don't want people to think that I'm some government agent or whatever.
So, at Just X Ashton, if you want to check that out.
I also want to shout out everybody related to MH370X.
Thank you guys very much for investigating along with us today.
unidentified
Um, very quickly, patreon.com slash generation Zed.
It's something that we do a couple of times a week.
We have zoom calls where we have these types of discussions, uh, eight bucks a month keeps the trolls out as well as, uh, my ex or Twitter account at podcast Zed, um, podcast Z-E-D.
No spaces, no capitals or anything else.
And I want to thank you guys so much for having us.
shane cashman
Such a fun conversation.
unidentified
It was very fun.
Thank you so much.
shane cashman
I remember where I was when this plane went missing and I love talking about synchronicities.
unidentified
Right.
shane cashman
I was in Brooklyn where I lived at the time.
unidentified
Wow.
shane cashman
Wow.
And now we're talking about it.
tim pool
Thank you all so much.
Export Selection