The Culture War #32 - Rise And Fall Of Project Veritas w/James O'Keefe & Luke Rudkowski
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Today is the big Miami show, so after this we're going to be going to our Elite Members Meetup, and then of course we have the Miami event at 6pm.
It's going to be all night.
It's going to be amazing.
Matt Gaetz will be here with us, and it's an honor.
We're going to be talking a lot about...
The fight that he's had in Congress.
But today, there's a lot of information pertaining to Project Veritas that I think is really interesting.
I saw a video that James had put out about $8 million in the Veritas account that is seemingly gone, the resignation of their CFO.
And so James is going to be joining us.
James will also, of course, be at the event tonight in Miami.
And I'm really interested to hear about what the deal is what's the deal with what happened with Project Veritas, as well as the current things that James is working on.
And we'll talk about the state of media.
unidentified
And that's why we have Lukakowski joining us as well. - I think it's fair to say that all the high profile people who say the establishment should be questioned, all getting taken down around the same time, I think it's not a coincidence.
But yeah, I'm really looking forward to learn and to see what was happening behind the scenes, because as we always know, there's a public story and then there's There's a lot of things that you look at what's happening right now in our media sphere and you kind of got to wonder why are so many people under such tough scrutiny when you look at the federal government and what they're doing
They're getting away with way much horrible behavior that definitely deserves to be scrutinized, but never is.
So I'm really looking forward to that conversation.
If you want to follow me, check me out on youtube.com forward slash we are change.
I release videos there almost every single day.
I've been doing this for 1819 years now way too long.
I think me and James started to, I think, release videos around the same time as well.
I remember hearing about him.
We interviewed each other throughout the years.
We actually did projects with each other throughout the years, and it's crazy.
I mean, I've been working with you for... Since Occupy.
Since Occupy Wall Street?
What year was that?
That's 11 years.
2011.
Yeah, that's... 12.
12 years now.
James, I've known in the industry for a very long time, so we are very old boomers.
On our way out with diapers on, and we've been around for a long time, so you're gonna hear a lot of wisdom from the elders today.
All of them, and then this made this like massive national story where they were all basically defending Obama having executed an American citizen, plural, and they were like, too bad!
And this is the stuff you don't get from the corporate press and the mainstream press, obviously now.
What I find fascinating is We're all on, you know, like YouTube and Twitter and all these different platforms when these things are going down with the Obama administration.
You know, you've got Ron Paul calling this stuff out.
We're all outside looking in, and now it's starting to invert.
Now it's starting to change, and the biggest stories are coming from people who are outside of the corporate journalism, and now corporate journalism is basically just a bunch of garbage.
We're just talking about, uh, you know, Luke was talking about how he got started, how long he's been producing videos, and, uh, I was- I was- We're old, man.
Yeah, boomers.
That's what Luke- Luke- Luke- Luke- Luke's a- you're- you're- as soon as you, what, hit 40, you're a boomer?
I mean, I saw the headline in the video I sent you.
There's like 30 lawyers now glommed on onto a lawsuit against me from years ago.
See, Tim, when I was there, I got sued personally for the journalism that was done, which is fine.
I'm the leader.
I'm happy to take the arrows.
um but you know journalism that not necessarily i did i was a leader but my my journalist didn't get sued the people who handled the sources i got sued so there was that foundation that was there to to defend and pay for all of that so now that's that's apparently gone um now i have to defend and i just posted this thing this week It's a pretty fascinating, detailed summary of what's going on.
And someone sent me an email from the outgoing Chief Financial Officer of Veritas stating, quote, walling off funds to sue O'Keefe at the expense of PV as an example of putting personal vindication against the best interest of the organization, which is remarkable.
When I left, when I was removed, they had about maybe $8 million cash.
They spent all of it in six months.
I don't know what they spent-- - On what? - I don't know.
My lawyer supports a full forensic audit of that. - So when all this was going down, and they ousted you or whatever it was, and then you get this letter that comes out saying James did these horrible things, but then it also says, "We actually didn't witness him do any of these things.
"We're just signing the letter anyway." I've worked at non-profits before, and my assumption was, and again, I'm gonna say this knowing, I don't know how much you can say, considering they're saying it.
When people always say, can you say something, it's predicated on the fact you've done something wrong.
So I'm happy to talk about it.
My biggest, and I will talk about it, my biggest thing I really want to talk about is the citizen journalism, because you're here and I want to get his thoughts on training citizen journalists in light of what Elon has talked about.
I think, I said this before, I think that someone was basically trying to steal money.
That one of the biggest obstacles to extracting resources is going to be an idealistic founder who has a vision and is protecting what the organization is supposed to be doing.
And I've seen this before with other companies.
Someone gets brought in, and they get dollar signs in the eyes.
I think that's exactly what I talked about in your show last time, which is sort of the idea of the When you, you know, and you were there in the beginning, like the garage phase, you came over and it was very humble, humble, humble beginnings.
I mean, it still is.
I mean, I'm rebuilding now, but it's like they take a backwards looking focus and say, why did, why is James taking all these risks in the first place?
I can do it better.
I can do it better than him.
That's just human nature.
It's just what, it's just what people do.
And they, and they look at these numbers and whenever we get a check, I never celebrate when we get checks.
And sometimes people are like, wow, and they hold it, you know, you know, oh wow, half a million.
I'm like, do you have any idea?
I actually would say this in the water cooler.
Do you have any idea how much blood, sweat, tears, sacrifice, FBI raids, time in hotel rooms away from loved ones.
People don't think about it that way.
All they see is, oh look, the 990 says they have a 20 million dollar budget.
Six million dollars on lawyers.
So, I mean, listen, I've talked about this a lot.
I'm happy to talk about it again.
I think the thing I've learned is really human nature.
I'm 39 years old and I've generally, throughout my life, believed in the best in people.
And I've recently learned that, eh, Human nature is pretty wicked, and most people are shit, to be honest with you.
I think there's light and there's dark, there's good and there's bad, and you just gotta be careful about the bad people because they'll pretend to be good.
But most of the people in this business are attracted to Glomming on to fame and whatever their perception is about fortune and fame and image, and that's just a toxic thing.
We're looking at that video of the Vice President of Pfizer there.
I mean, when the FBI points guns at me and stuff like that.
When you are so over the truth, you will bring out the demons.
unidentified
I mean, especially when you're exposing, you know, the child trafficking operations that is being run with your tax dollars and protected by, you know, the Federal Bureau of Investigations.
Yeah, then you get into, you know, people who are angry that you're dropping these bombs, that you're exposing a lot of what they're doing behind the scenes.
But I really wanted to kind of hone in and focus a little bit, because I've been through a very similar situation that you have been a couple years ago, where I lost my organization.
But I wanted to... We could get into this later, maybe now.
The specific lessons you learned throughout your trials, because there's a lot of other people who have companies.
There's a lot of other people who have organizations who are trying to do good.
I kind of wanted to learn your learning lesson other than, you know, dealing with sociopaths, which there's a lot of, especially in Washington, D.C.
In Washington, D.C., by the way, there's more sociopaths per capita than anywhere else in the world.
So, for some reason, that occult symbolic place that has a lot of Freemasonic streets and numbers and statues and streets keeps aggregating some of just the worst human beings on the planet.
You know, it has to be a coincidence.
But I don't know if we want to get into this now.
It kind of relates to everything.
Because what happened to me happened a long time ago.
No, I think you just have to find people who are incredibly strong.
I mean, and have good character.
And are not for sale.
And I don't have any evidence of someone, you know, like taking a bribe.
That's not what I mean.
It could be the case.
I just mean like, you have to find people who are willing to go to war with you.
And if you're in jail, they have to be willing to go to jail with you.
Not because you've done anything illegal.
And what is their price?
What is your price?
That's the question I really have to ask, is what's your price?
Because if your price is $30 million, then someone will give you $30 million to sell out your cause.
You really have to believe.
And the irony is, everyone will say they believe.
Of course, I believe.
But that doesn't mean anything.
So I think the lesson is, surround yourself with good people.
This thing here you're looking at, just to give you a window into my week, because I think it's on point, I was sued by, I did this story on a postal worker in 2020 who claimed he overheard his supervisor backdating ballots.
You may remember this story.
Oh yeah.
And I get sued and then the word Trump is mentioned in this lawsuit 198 times.
My name is mentioned about 200 times.
And there's all these lawyers from Protect Democracy, which is a 50 million dollar non-profit, white shoe law firms, and they're all suing me personally.
I said to you last time, I'm getting arrows from all sides.
And I think that's just where we are as a country right now.
It's like I did the journalistic thing that I'm supposed to do, which is he goes on the record, and then I call up the supervisor, hey, what do you think?
He's like, I'm not gonna talk to reporters like you.
He hangs up the phone.
I put that in the piece, and I publish the story.
Now what's ironic about this, Is that the people who are suing me have all written white papers saying that the actual malice standard for defamation needs to be higher, so they're arguing against their own lawsuit.
You mentioned, you know, what's your number if it's 30 million dollars, and I'm wondering if the old trope or narrative is that You get a guy who's fighting this big fight, and he's going on his show, he's going on YouTube, he's doing journalism, and then one day there's a knock on the door and someone walks up and says, we got a really great job for you at CNN, ten million dollars a year.
He used to work for a conservative group called the Leadership Institute, where I worked.
And you could see his whole thing change.
People want, they want money.
It's about money.
It's about power.
It's about fame.
And by the way, the black pill thing.
I'm still, I'm still an optimist.
I still believe in the truth.
I just think we're, you know, it's getting pretty scary out there.
unidentified
Yes, and throughout my years, because I think we've been in the business about the same time.
I think right now we're reaching a time where it's really more dangerous than it ever has been kind of before, especially when it comes to journalism, especially when it comes to reporting, especially when it comes to just kind of speaking the truth in the face of All this power.
But to continue this conversation, did you develop any kind of tips or tricks to see if someone is a good person?
The first thing you do is hold a mirror to them, and if there's no reflection, right?
Red flag.
unidentified
Do you have holy water?
Garlic?
What do you got here?
You don't have to tell us if it's insider secret.
There's nothing secret about... But is there something in common with all the people who backstabbed you, then compared to the people who were there, that you saw signs early on?
I mean, I did a live stream on Friday on Instagram, just a little fundraiser for my lawyer bills.
It's one of the great ironies and tragedies of my life is that I had to raise and spend six million Iran lawyers and now that's Foundation's completely gone and they're gunning for me So I did this funders and and I'm still getting text from these people I know that they're watching they're obsessively watching everything I do Tim right even probably right now and and one of them texted me One of them said I want you to commit suicide.
So I don't want to get too spiritual here, because I want to get into the First Amendment stuff, but it's deep.
It cuts deep.
And a lot of times people project their own When you get over the truth, it almost seems like you hold a mirror up to people and they don't like what they see.
And they have problems with themselves.
And it's psychological.
It's probably spiritual.
I never thought that I would be in that dimension.
I know that you are.
I never thought that I'd... I'm a First Amendment guy who likes to show people I never thought I'd be in a psychological, but here we are with, you know, you wanna commit suicide.
It was also very Maoist, Tim, very communist.
It's like, he takes a black car.
I mean, it's like, well, that's because the chief executive officer has to raise 75,000 a day.
And you want me to be in an Uber carpool?
I mean, what exactly?
unidentified
- Do you want me to take the bus? - But they do, but they do.
You know, when I was younger, when I was a teenager, I had this philosophical point of my life I'm like, there's no good and evil.
There's just competing interests.
Everyone thinks they're doing the right thing.
And boy, was that naive.
I seriously, I remember having these conversations when I was, you know, early twenties.
And I'm just like, well, look, you know, these people think they're doing the right thing for them.
And these people think they're doing the right thing for them.
And then you get older and you meet demons.
I mean that figuratively, but some people might mean it literally.
You meet people where you're just flabbergasted at how evil they can be.
And I'm left bewildered because I'm like, the actions you have taken do not financially benefit you.
They are just chaos, destruction, and causing suffering.
And, you know, so I've been backstabbed by some people and it blows my effing mind.
I'm like, for what reason did you do this?
And so what I find truly fascinating is There's this trope about these video games where you're able to choose, like, a karmic path.
So a lot of the RP- role-playing games that come out on, you know, PlayStation or PC, you can choose the evil route or the good route.
And there are people who are always posting online about how it's so difficult to play an evil character.
And what I find with these games is there doesn't seem to be rhyme or reason to the evil path in a storyline.
And then I think about it now, and I'm like, yeah, why would you want to do that in that game?
But then you meet these people who, for seemingly no reason, will burn things down, destroy, and smile as they harm people, and you're like, now I get it.
unidentified
I had that done to me by someone who I thought was my best friend in the industry.
Many, many years ago.
But, you know, I've been talking about demons and these entities for a very long time, and everyone's like, you're being sensationalistic, you're being outrageous, you're being crazy here.
No, I'm not.
There is a larger energetic spiritual warfare out there.
I think it's becoming more apparent I think some people have been just aware of it a little bit longer, but when you look into your kind of intuition, when you look into your gut, when you see what's happening, when you experience the things you experience, especially in this movement, there's no denying that there's something greater out there, energetic out there, that is a larger fight between good and evil.
That's how I interpret it, that's how I see it, and it is demons versus... It changes you when you're rated by the feds, and it's like, you know, those agents in my apartment, there were like 10 of them, and I think half of them were probably just doing a job.
And it just totally changes you because you go, whoa, human nature.
I mean, the pension and the paycheck, the pension and the paycheck.
And even in my organization, I found the paycheck, it was all about the pay.
Well, I'm gonna go along with this because there's still, until the money ran out.
But anyway, I have a lot of positive, optimistic things to say.
I had a friend that I used to skate with a lot back when I was a teenager.
And then, you know, in the past couple of years, excuse me, all of a sudden this person is going on social media and just making everything they can make up.
And I'm like, this is the weirdest thing, like, I'd go to this guy's house, we'd order pizza, we'd watch skate videos, we'd hang out every day, we'd jam and play music together, and now this person, like, just all of a sudden they're possessed.
Man, I just think, I think perhaps some people have always been evil, we just didn't see it.
Because when the person had nothing to leech off of you and nothing to destroy, you were just there.
And so it's easy for me to sit on a couch and watch music videos and play video games with a demon because the demon says, I have nothing, there is no pleasure, there is no joy, this person is insignificant.
Then, you come into success, you start working hard, and now they're like, now's my chance, something to burn, something to destroy.
So, the missing piece here is when the Pfizer story broke, what was told to me, what was, people were calling me, and people thought that, you know, someone took a bribe.
I don't know that.
I don't have any evidence of that.
What I do have evidence is of this.
They say, you know, James O'Keefe has nothing to do with the success of this story and nothing to do with the success of this company.
That's what was said to people, which is crazy, because I said, well, I'm in the video.
They said, well, you're not the one who secretly recorded the guy.
I was like, well, but I recruited the guy who did.
I'm taking all the risks, I'm raising all the money.
I actually think a lot of people didn't, some people, not all of them, half people, didn't realize just all that I was doing and responsible for.
And that's how it works in a Bolshevik Maoist sense.
They just think, this guy on the top, and you see it with AOC and Bezos can't have a helipad in New York City.
How do you expect me to raise all the money To pay all the lawyers and make sure you have food for your families unless I'm running around the country getting the money.
I would rather go be at home in the evening or do my journalism.
But I was doing that to indemnify these journalists, right?
What does that mean?
For those of you who don't know, indemnify means I was raising all this money so that I could make sure that they were protected.
Spencer and Eric were raided by the FBI, and it costs a lot of money.
And the first thing that I thought is, how are we going to pay these lawyers when I'm gone?
I mean, we need to stick together.
And they burn through it all.
But I do think it's a blessing in a way.
God sort of saying there's a different way, a different path.
You, Tim, said, they liberated me to pursue a different kind of mission and a different kind of vision.
Because I do think the model of infiltrating with 20 full-time undercover journalists is not a sustainable or long-term viable path.
I think, like Elon has tweeted this out, I think we need to empower, and what Luke has done, train, educate people, educate citizen journalists, so that there's thousands of them, not all on my payroll.
I think that's a help, and I also think people need skin in the game.
Tim, everyone, every day people say to me, Well, I got this problem.
Can you help me?
And it's... I'm finding that, yes, I'm giving a lot of my time, but a lot of them won't actually do it.
They need to, like, buy into a course, buy a camera, right?
I'm sure you've seen this in your life.
unidentified
It's not just on your payroll.
It's also your liability.
So you left your organization where someone could come in and, you know, sabotage and do bad stuff to it.
And I remember Uh, when I lost my organization, my organization originally was canvassing, hitting the streets, giving out flyers, giving out DVDs, talking to people in the streets.
There was a big battle, very similar to what you went through.
And I'm like, why?
I can't believe I lost all these resources and all these things.
And I'm like, you know, what am I going to do now?
I started to make videos.
I wouldn't have started to make videos if I didn't lose my canvassing organization, my organization that reached out to people and talked to people and did all the little stuff that's irrelevant right now and doesn't work as well as video production.
So I think looking back at a lot of the problems within the organizations that I was involved in, When I see what happens, I felt not only more liberated, but on a better path afterwards, even though I didn't understand when it was happening in the first place.
But because I was just like, whatever, I just got to keep doing something else, that something else was way better, way more effective, and something that worked in such a more cohesive way than what I was doing previously before, which was wrong, but I didn't know it was wrong.
So that's the way that I always try to see these things.
I also do believe demonic possession is real.
There are individuals that are hijacked that are open to other entities.
There's a reason Abrina Abrovimich tries to call in demons with spirit cooking.
Marina, Marina, you know, but there's a reason there's a lot of occult rituals and sacrifices and rituals that a lot of these people do, and it's not an accident.
You know, what kind of freaks me out is like, if that's true, then the story would be your good friend became possessed and all they needed was an exorcism to be restored.
Instead, they're thrust off to the darkness and lost forever.
I think it's just... This is a really important... The conversation we're having right now is the issue, I think.
The deeper we go, the more on target I am, you are.
It's almost like you have to be disciples, and I hesitate to use that word, but you have to find people who are just absolutely bonded, like blood brothers, and loyal to a cause, and loyal to each other.
But what I've found is that when you're really, really, really effective and over the target, the incentive to, for lack of a better word, betray you, or To sell out or to give you, you know, it's almost like, you know, you know, there's no, unless you're really truly driven by the mission, um, you're, you're, you're gonna just sell out.
There are some people that are, you know, I made the mirror joke because they're vampires.
Figuratively.
They don't want to build stuff.
They don't want to make stuff.
They want to extract.
They want to just take things.
They don't want to work.
They want power.
They want control.
And if you think about it, you know, I think about these things.
for a lot of these individuals, what is it?
Is it the money?
And it's not really the money, because what does money mean?
What they want is power over other people.
They want to be able to cause pain and control and assert.
And that's a crazy thing, but I think what you're describing and this phenomenon we're describing, whether it's demons or whatever, it's a larger component of the culture war.
If you look at what the left is and what they do, Oliver Darcy is a good example.
He's a guy who interviewed me in 2018 about censorship on Twitter, at the time it was Twitter, and my point was, if they start saying, alt-right must be banned, white nationalists can't speak, then you are creating the process by which you start excising political opinions that run afoul.
I mean, it's Fahrenheit 451.
He interviews me about that.
He runs a story about that for Business Insider.
If you look where he is now, CNN, lying, posting misleading and out of context statements to manipulate the public.
He's chosen the destruction of everyone else for personal benefit to be a part of this machine.
And what he does is a larger component of what we are up against in the culture war.
That's what we're... I think that's what I'm trying to say is that I'm a First Amendment guy, but I've learned that now it's human, it's psychological, it's spiritual, it's human nature.
But it gets right to the point of what is the solution?
And the solution is what Elon has been tweeting about citizen journalism and training and equipping, which is the future for OMG, which is we're hosting our first paid webinar next week.
We've had a few hundred people buy this five course thing that I developed.
And I found that it's more sustainable and healthy when I put it back on the citizens.
Because again, people come to me.
Please, I'm a therapist, Tim.
All day long, people complain to me about their problems.
Can you come to Kansas?
Can you come to Hawaii?
I went to Maui for a week to expose it.
Just nonstop.
And I find that it's almost like, gee, 98% of these people aren't actually gonna do anything.
They need to make themselves feel better by complaining to me.
You had that post on Twitter, on X and Instagram, where you said something to the effect of, if you are aware of the problems and you do nothing, then you are responsible for the future your children inherit.
Yeah, I have this conversation all the time, where I say, well, I have children, and I don't have children, so there's a part of me that doesn't fully understand, because I'm sure that when I become a father, maybe I'll feel differently.
And I also had a conversation yesterday with a source who said, Well, maybe it's best not to bring children into this world.
And that's what Solzhenitsyn wrote in Gulag Archipelago.
You see, you have to decide whether or not, because it's unfair to your children.
And I believe creating life is always a good thing, regardless of where we're headed in society.
But you must create life.
But yeah, that's well said.
It's like, if you do nothing, then what are you doing for your children?
But a lot of people don't really fully, truly care about the evil until it hits them, until it happens to them, until it literally Hits their skull.
They don't, they don't understand because they haven't been through what I've been through.
They haven't seen what I've seen.
Jail and FBI raid, you know, take your stuff at gunpoint, have people around you sell you out for some other evil reason.
But listen, the, the, the, the, the, the good, the, the, the future is equipping and training.
And what, what, what have you found works with citizen journalists when you're training them and equipping them?
unidentified
I trained a lot of people throughout the years.
Before getting into this topic, I kind of want to expand a little bit about what you originally said, because it is true, once you are affected by this, and you're dealing in a situation where you're being interrogated, or you're having a literal fist or a boot on your face, when you're going through an injustice, then it all hits you.
I remember being, you know, a young child, Dealing with some of this injustices that that led me to where I am here today, but I think we're slowly encroaching a place where a lot of people and their effects of the system on them is becoming so apparent that everyone's being affected by this and it's It's absolutely tragic where we are seeing such horrible situations with everyone's health, everyone's financial situation.
Those situations will only get worse the more we acquiesce, the more we comply, the more we bend over, the more we say, hey, let someone else do it.
Let someone else take care of this problem.
I'm just going to go along with it because if I do, if I put my head down, I'm going to be okay and you will not.
They will be roasting your Buttocks.
They will be having their way with you sooner or later.
But I don't even think for the most part it is you.
I think that, you know, we talk about Neuralink, we talk about the future.
They got these Amazon stores already at DCA Airport where you scan your palm and it lets you in.
You can take whatever you want and walk right out.
All that stuff is coming.
And you have the luxury right now to say, I'm not gonna do that.
I'm not gonna scan my palm.
But your children will.
Your children will walk into the store and it'll say, denied social credit score too low.
And so when people say today, I mean I'll put it this way.
I always use the fire analogy.
You got a big house and there's a small grease fire on your stove.
And what's happening is people are like, well, look, it's a small fire.
I, you know, I think I'm fine.
I'm sitting here playing video games.
I think it'll be okay.
And then an hour later, now the fires hit the cabinets and you're like, it's still only in the kitchen.
And then you're older and you're like, well, you know, I lived a good life.
Your whole house is burnt down.
And you're like, here you go, kids, here are the keys.
And you throw them the keys to a smoldering pile of rubble.
unidentified
To unwind that citizen journalism aspect here, I do believe it is absolutely critical at this juncture, because if you look at what's happening to Tucker Carlson, if you look at what's happening to Elon Musk, if you look at what's happening to Alex Jones, if you look at what's happening to James O'Keefe, Russell Brand, everyone out there who is making a stand against this is being targeted, being attacked in many underhanded ways.
So, so, um, I mean, I was asked to, um, I was asked to speak, I tweeted this out to a retired community of FBI agents recently.
These are guys probably in their sixties and seventies.
And, and I talked to the person who invited me and I said, uh, would they have executed a search warrant like these no knock warrants against journalists?
Would they have done that?
And they didn't really give me a full answer.
So the pension, and the paycheck, the pension and the paycheck is something that I'm fighting against.
And the mortgage, people have mortgages.
And, And I think we're entering a time in our world where people have to... Is the material world that important to them?
Or is the truth important to them?
And the truth is so...
So we have to figure out a way to inspire people to take action and to make sacrifices.
And there are people out there who say, well, they don't exist.
Well, I think the people I'm talking to every day, a lot of good people in the world, but they have kids, they have mortgages, they may not be able to do it.
But if we create like a pipeline, a talent pipeline.
Where we put these classes out there, and a few hundred people have bought them, and they've bought my cameras.
And we teach them.
We teach them.
Then there's actually skin in the game.
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Teach them and guide them, but more importantly, allow individuals to go after the system in many unorganized ways where it's not coordinated by us, but when an injustice happens, they're able to call it out, be on the front lines, and then step back instead of just having everyone continually on the front lines.
And you gave me chills just really quickly here because of what you said.
Perfectly describes my situation when I was at Bilderberg with the White House Press Corps getting drunk and hammered with them four o'clock in the morning, because I was talking to, again, the conversations were off the record, and I won't be naming the exact names of who I was talking to, but the biggest people in the industry, and they were telling me the same exact thing.
I have mortgages.
I gotta pay rent.
I gotta pay my bills.
And I'm like, are you kidding me?
And they were like, it's all a lie.
We lie all the time.
It's all a scam.
We know.
We're just doing this because we need to get by.
And I'm like, holy Do you guys know what mortgage means?
They teach you how to do the AP style guide, which essentially means following people's pronouns now, not misgendering people, and just literally regurgitating press releases.
Quite literally, I went down to Occupy and I had a phone and I started using Ustream and streaming.
And then people started sharing it because they wanted to see it.
That's really interesting.
But here's the other crazy thing that I learned, too.
Is, uh, uh, I'd get emails all the time from people around, you know, 2013, 2014, and still to this day, obviously, but back then, I'm traveling around for Vice, you know, I go to New Zealand, I go to Turkey, and I get all these emails from people being like, you're living my dream, I wanna do what you do, how do I do it?
And the first thing I say is, you just need to go places in film, start small.
You know, I went to Occupy Wall Street, it cost me 20 bucks.
And they're like, okay, but, you know, I have rent.
And so I remember talking to a friend who lived in Williamsburg and had like a, you know, paid 1,200 bucks a month on rent or whatever, and they were like, how do I do this, get to travel to these countries?
And I was like, well, obviously you've got to start small, but I'd recommend, you know, buying a phone, you know, maybe fly to a city when you know there's a news story happening or something, there's going to be a protest, film it, document it.
And they said, but I have to pay my rent.
And I was like, all you've said to me right now is, Your apartment in Williamsburg is more important to you than doing the journalism.
So it was 20 bucks for me to go, but I... I mean that as furthering your argument to these people, because it's not that much of a sacrifice to go out and just do this thing.
When someone applies for a job, you know, send you a resume, you respond with like, are you, are you willing to do what it takes to become a real journalist and face down those risks and say, yes.
You get a bunch of your buddies to dress up in like SWAT gear and FBI and fake, you know, federal fed gear or whatever.
Yeah.
You put them in the room with the light hanging low so they can only see the lower torso and you interrogate them and see if they crack.
When you do hostile environment training, I actually did this and it was like the most fun ever.
Dude, if you like playing video games, you will love doing hostile environment training for kidnappings and torture and interrogation.
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I remember my first day in college in journalism 101 and I remember going there screaming at my family being like, this is a scam.
This is not going to be worth anything.
I don't want to be here.
Why am I working and going?
This doesn't make any sense.
I'm there and I'm sitting down at orientation and they're explaining what's going to be happening.
And they're like, okay, so you're going to be here, and then you're going to learn the AP Style Guide, and we're going to learn how to do effective journalism.
We're going to learn how to talk about climate change and all these social justice warrior issues.
And I'm like, we're going to talk about these causes, and we're going to be a vessel for that.
I'm like, okay, when can we actually do journalism?
I'm like, what do you mean you don't do that here?
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So I'm like, this doesn't make any sense at all.
And they're like, no, no, no, no, no, you wait here.
I'm like, when will I be able to actually go out there and do some actual real journalism in the streets?
When can I talk to the politicians?
When can I ask them questions?
They're like, oh, at the end of this whole entire course, at four years in, three and a half years after doing this, at the last semester, you will be given a press pass Then that press pass will allow you to have access to some people.
So I snuck in to the last class, that last semester class.
I got myself a press credential, even though I was not registered for that particular class, because in the beginning of class schedules, they always have a mix-up.
I got that press credential.
I hit the streets.
I went after the mayor, confronted him about the non-alum first responders.
Okay, but this is a really important point, because when I was starting in undercover journalism, I had to take someone by the hand and go in there with them.
That's the only way that I could cross that divide.
And when you do that, when you go into the field of action, you know, action is a different thing than...
You know than conscience and I would have to go in there hold them by the hand and bring them with me and do it the only way that I know how to lead is by is by example which is a good thing and a bad thing sometimes I hope I would try to but I can't I could never I could never teach courage I could never I have you have to lead it you have to lead so so where does that lead us today because obviously James O'Keefe can't go into every single institution with a hidden camera
You have to create a community of people who are leaning on each other.
You know, I was talking to a Medal of Honor recipient over the summer and he gave me advice and he said, you have to find a way to spread the load over other people.
And he gave this talk, and he was talking about being a prisoner of war, and everyone's being tortured, and eventually when you're tortured, you confess, because that's just what human beings do when you're tortured like you are.
And he said the guilt and the shame that they felt going back to the jail cell after having confessed, and he said the only thing that kept us alive was we had each other.
And I think citizen journalists have to have a community of like-minded people who are also courageous.
And Tim, you know, why waste your time with these people who reach out to you, I want to do what you do.
So when people, when I see a thousand resumes, I want to see what great thing did you do and build.
Go out and do it.
Nothing's stopping you from doing this, but you do need the tools and you do need the knowledge, but you have to find people who are willing to take the action.
And there's enough of them in this country.
There might be millions of people who want to complain, but there's people who are willing to do it.
And that was like ten years, or maybe eight or so years of that, and then it got to the point where you can't do it anymore for a variety of reasons, especially if you get too many followers.
then instead of going on adventures, I'm just being harassed all the time.
And so then it turns into something more like this.
But for me, I've been to 30 some odd countries covering a bunch of different news stories, speaking at conferences, and it's because I wanted to go on those adventures and experience and see things and understand them.
And one of the biggest components especially is the media is always lying.
We've been told the media lies to us all the time.
And so, when these things are happening, I just wanted to see it happen.
You know, when, when, when, when, I, I, what happened was there was a video that went viral of the police dragging one of the occupiers out of the park, leaving him bleeding on his hands or whatever.
So you're sitting there, wherever you were, thinking, I'm just gonna go there.
Newport News.
Virginia.
Yeah, that's a really interesting point.
Being a public figure like you are, it gets to a point in space and time where And initially, not really people knew who I was or maybe who you were, but then when you become a public figure, it's almost like they wanna be around you to suck the energy. - Yes, yeah, I was just saying. - Not because they wanna support your adventurous mission or artistic whatever, it's because you are I was just saying. - Not because they wanna support your Famous.
But you know what I do love, too, is seeing the disappointment in the people who never had it in the first place.
And it's not so much that I'm gloating from their pain or whatever, but when I've met people who are like, I wanna do what you do, and then I'd say something like, come hang out, and we'll show you what we do, and then the immediate response is like, I don't wanna do this.
This happens to me all the time.
We were talking with, this is really funny, we were setting up an interview with Andrew Tate last year before the arrest and all this stuff went down, And we were like, we'd love to, like, talk to you, obviously, about what you're working on now.
And he was like, bro, I'm just sitting here on the laptop all day.
It's boring.
And we were like, I think people need to see that.
Because the assumption is, when you see the highlight reel of some famous or successful person, and, you know, people see the... I'll give you an example.
This event we're doing today, later today, in Miami.
Most people just think, we call up the venue and say, hey, do you have availability for this date?
Great, we'll be there.
It took almost a year to organize this event.
It cost like a hundred grand plus, probably more than that, substantially more than that actually.
And organizing has been one of the most stressful things imaginable for one day!
In one theater!
And I'm like, anybody who watches this show and they're like, I wish I was there, I wish I was doing it, it's like, man, no you don't.
Because when I worked at Vice, I remember I went out to get drinks with Shane Smith, the CEO, and we were talking about what the company was doing, what I was working on, and I was like, look, I want your job.
And he's like, no you don't, my job sucks.
And I was like, no, I do want your job.
And I was like, but I understand what you're saying, because I've managed teams before.
But his attitude, I totally get.
When you're talking to 99% of the people who say they want to do what you do, no, they don't.
They want to sit in a comfy chair with the game on and their buddies who are looking at them like they're a hero.
They want to feel respected and accepted, and they want to not have to worry about money or resources, but that's impossible.
Real quick, real quick.
There will never come a time in your life where you're no longer worried about the money.
A CEO who's worth millions of dollars, maybe you retire.
Yeah, when you're retired, now you're worried about the market.
You're worried about your market, your retirement accounts, and whether you're budgeting appropriately.
If you're a billionaire, even, you've got to worry about the SEC auditing, you know, investigating you.
And for somebody who is wealthy, maybe you inherit money, okay, well, what are you gonna do to sustain this?
Somebody who runs a company, they say, you're so lucky you're rich, and it's just like, definitely living better.
I'm not saying that's not true.
But now you're worried about all of your employees, how they're getting paid, whether the new taxes, new regulations, new laws.
In fact, that saying, that old song, Mo Money Mo Problems, I'm younger and I'm wondering, like, how does that make sense?
And I'm like, it definitely is true.
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Well, for the people who kind of feed off of your energy, there's a lot of things that we could talk about there, especially when it comes to the spiritual aspects.
But I think, predominantly, a lot of those individuals are adverse to discomfort when I kind of seek it.
I like being able to go out there and say, hey, this is going to be very difficult.
I've essentially picked the largest, most difficult task to ever try to achieve, and that is trying to expose the Satanic demons in our society and the evildoers in our population that have hijacked our government.
So when you look at everyone who is where they are, it's not... and a lot of people think they just got there.
And I'm sure you've gotten this before, and I probably shouldn't say this, but the, can I get a picture?
The, can I get a picture?
And I was talking to someone, I'm not going to name him, but you know who he is.
Very, very big name.
I said, how do you do it?
How do you stand there, you know, because I shake every hand and take every picture, and then they'll go, oh, you look exhausted.
People, well, why I look exhausted is because this is not what motivates me.
And I know my fans are watching, oh, James hates pictures.
It's like, no, I don't, I don't, I, I enjoy that you guys are following me and I enjoy that you read, read our work, but it's not why I started this.
And people, most people, when you get to a certain point, they just want, it's almost like, Dan Ellsberg was the former Librarian of Congress and he wrote a book called The Image, and it said a hero is a big man, a celebrity is a big name.
And sometimes the two overlap, but it gets to the point where people want a picture with you, and I know that you've experienced this.
I was in Brazil during these big protests, and there's a comedian down there named Rafinha Bastos.
He's a great dude, but he is ridiculously famous.
He's like Brazilian Joe Rogan.
And we were trying to walk around and watch what was going on at the protests.
Dude couldn't walk five feet without 20 people surrounding him the whole time.
So he looks at one guy who's wearing a Guy Fawkes mask and he goes, my friend, can I have your mask?
And he's like, yeah.
And he puts it on and it's like, I have to go.
And as he was walking, it helped a little bit.
That kind of fame and attention, I could understand what you're saying.
Now for me, that doesn't happen to me when I go outside.
You know, I don't have everyone running up to me and screaming.
But, you know, for like the event like today, I do, someone comes up to me and says, can I get a picture?
Absolutely, of course.
For one reason, I'm hoping that what it is I represent will, and we will create a memory, a moment, a pin in the timeline of this person that instills these values with them forever.
And so I want to make sure that every interaction I have with someone, a handshake, a smile, a thank you so much for supporting me, I really do appreciate it.
I want them to have the most positive feeling and associate the work we do with goodness, and I want them never to forget.
It's like if you don't take... There was like nine years ago, someone said, can I get a picture?
I'm like...
No.
And then for the rest of their life, they're going to think that I'm a dick.
Because the only thing they're going to remember is that 10-second interaction.
But to be honest, to be truly authentic, because I think one of the reasons people support me and have donated is because they do think I'm a sincere person.
So in many regards, this idea of smiling for the camera, isn't it contrary to sincerity just a little bit?
Smile!
Like, sometimes you don't want to smile.
Sometimes you're thinking about something else.
And, you know, you're busy.
So you have to find something enjoyable.
When this guy told me, and you know his name, Big, he's very famous, and he said, and he's very successful, and he's very talented, and he said, you have to find something enjoyable about the interaction.
So it's even if asking where you're from, and you have to find, but it is an energy suck.
It is an energy suck because of this, because it's an exchange of something and they're taking something from you.
I want your picture, I want your attention, I want you to care about me and my problems.
So what gives me energy, what boosts me up, Is empowering people to go do the action is finding a Tim Pool out there and saying, hey, once you get on that bus and go to that protest is when people are contributing.
That's what gives me energy, which is to which is to find the people who are willing.
There are more followers than there are leaders, and in today's society, it is typically the desire to be the leader.
You imagine this great battlefield, and nobody imagines themselves as just a frontline soldier that no one remembers the name of.
They remember the great general on the horse, and because of these stories, I think it creates this negative view of someone who is a follower.
Follower is seen as negative, and I think that's wrong.
I was talking to Meet Kevin, and I mentioned, you know, why do we love dogs so much?
Why do so many people get pissed off in a movie when a dog gets hurt?
Because dogs are loyal to you.
Why do we love the story of Hachiko the dog, the dog who waited for 10 years for his owner who died at the train station?
Because of loyalty.
And so what I say is, some people are leaders, and that means all the arrows are flying towards them.
But I actually think there is no difference, in terms of status, in being a follower of the leader.
Someone who is willing to stand on the front line, staring down the barrel of warfare, because they trust you, they believe in you, and they know that your vision will make everything better.
But they are, though, they are little leaders, right?
My view is this.
If there is a great general, a Washington, or, you know, whether you think he was great or not, leading the American Revolution, there are men who knew, I am going to stand in front of him and you, because he is going to save this country, bring about this new nation, and I will be his divine instrument in stopping you.
And that means, these people standing on the front line, it's really crazy when you think about it.
There's a phrase for it, someone just told me, I forgot, it was Forlorn Hope or something, where, You are a frontline soldier staring down the enemy, and you know you have a 95% chance of dying.
Yeah, that's where we are.
I don't understand why we, as a society, don't say, like, that is the ultimate sacrifice and the hero.
In these old wars, you know my favorite movie, The Patriot, When Cornwallis is like, ugh, killing officers.
Could you imagine the chaos?
Yeah, the officers need to be protected and saved, and it's the men who must die for us.
No, I think it's the men who are dying for you, but they're not dying so that you can be safe and protected and live your uppity luxury life.
It's because they believe in you to carry on the mission, and you are essentially the light source.
That's a feedback I got from some of the customers through the O'Keefe Academy Master Class, because I called a lot of them last week, and they said to me, they said, You have a gun pointed at your head, James, and I admire that, and I want to help you because I can't do that.
I can do something.
So there's an element of that where the leader is taking the arrows.
But there's not necessarily, it's not necessarily a bad thing, you know, there's great, there's great, life is about more than, you know, you have to, you have to pursue truth.
You have to do the right thing no matter what.
You have to.
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Well, as you were saying earlier, the tribe and the community does matter.
And to be a little bit more nuanced about, you know, the individuals who are taking your photo, there's some people you meet that are absolute energy sucks, that you're there, that you just feel kind of depressed, that you kind of just feel it in your gut, like, holy cow, this does not feel good.
Because I know you It also depends on the person because one person could have really intense negative energy and it just gets sucked into it like, I want to be as far away as I can.
And I can't explain it because there's no physical characteristics that could pretty much describe this.
It's just an energy that one particular person has that is just bad.
I feel this when I do a lot of my confrontations.
You feel the energy around different kind of individuals and people.
And you just kind of feel like... Andrew Breitbart used to call it, when I first met him, he called it psychic vampires, is what he said, when he said to events and people.
I recommend everybody watch the movie The Patriot, starring Mel Gibson.
It's like the best movie ever.
In terms, I mean, there's a bunch of different Reasons why you might think a movie is good, but it's a story about It's the American Revolution a guy doesn't want to go to war.
He doesn't want to fight He refuses and then the British come and kill his kid and now he wants retribution He wants revenge and I think there's there's so many lessons And there's I mean that lessons that is the right word but it's a great story that that inspires in a lot of ways and I think it gets a message across and If you sit back and wait and ignore the fighting, the fighting comes to you, whether you want it to or not, and it's your children who will pay the ultimate price.
And he ends up, I think, losing a couple of his kids throughout the movie, but in the end, he's like this great soldier who's well-known for his leadership, but he doesn't want to fight anymore.
In the end, he grabs the American flag and runs back towards the field to rally everyone to keep pushing.
I think that's most, I think more people, Tim, in my experience, they feel a kind of guilt that they won't do it or can't do it or for whatever, whatever reason.
But most people actually, I think, watching this right now, realize that they should do it, even though they have kids.
And actually it's because of the kids, with the school board stuff I've done.
I mean, more mothers have asked for cameras than anybody.
It's a motivating thing.
And I think it's going to require a sacrifice.
Was it 95%?
Do you think that's true for present day?
If you're a leader and you get shot down, it's about 95%.
It was for Washington, right?
For George Washington getting shot down and the head of the—knowing that you're going into battle and you're going to get shot down, knowing that with certainty.
I mean, you know, the people who stood in front of him, we have this mentality of George Washington is the great name we will remember, and I'd like to know the name of every single member of the Continental Army who stood in front of George Washington and said, if you want him, you've got to go through me first.
Because, you know, again, we celebrate the leaders and these great names without realizing that tens of thousands of men used their bodies as shields and were the instruments of liberty for Washington.
I don't like the idea that it's like, don't be a follower, you know, we want to be—no, no, no, no, being a follower isn't a bad thing.
Following bad people for bad reasons is a bad thing.
But my view on this is kind of like, There are a lot of people who say, I can't do it.
I don't fault them for not being able to do it.
I say this all the time.
Look, if you're a tradesman, if you're a teacher, if you're a nurse, your job is to instruct the future generation, to build the infrastructure that makes this possible.
I don't want you to leave that job where you're doing something important for the world because you have to go to D.C.
to be a politician.
Some people can.
They can assume that role.
The other thing you can do is contribute your time, energy, or resources in any way possible.
Sometimes that means you donate some goods.
Sometimes that means you speak up at work.
Or it just means, maybe, the best you can do is ten bucks to fund an organization, to make contributions in any way possible, and encourage others to contribute.
As a person who speaks up, you're actively in the fray.
You could lose your job.
I get all that stuff.
But speaking up is powerful.
Incredibly powerful.
It shifts the cultural narrative.
If everybody spoke up, the culture would be over.
Seriously.
But for too long, too many people said, I'm not going to put risk on myself.
Now, I take issue with that.
That is not being a follower.
That's being... That's something else, right?
A follower is not a bad thing.
A follower who says, hey look, I watch Tucker Carlson, Crowder, I watch Viva, I listen to James O'Keefe, and I support financially, I support with words, I will speak up about what they do.
That's being a follower.
That's not a bad thing.
That's a good thing.
But then there are people who are like...
I don't know what you'd call it.
They're neither.
They hide.
And they say, I hope that whatever happens here, this fighting is resolved and no one comes and bothers me about it.
But that means that you doing nothing will allow evil to triumph.
An example being, I love the conspiracy theories about Luke, that he must be a Fed because there's no way a person could get access to these events and to these people.
And the reality is, you go to an event, and there's like a security guard standing at the door, and there's, you know, the big corporate, you know, the CEO, whatever, who's got a big story and, you know, some malfeasance, and you want to get that question, but the psychic barrier is, the rules say I'm not allowed to walk past this security guard.
We were talking about this the other day about, like, what would you do or say when you are entering an area that you believe you shouldn't be?
I'm like, first of all, there's no such thing as a place you shouldn't be.
I mean, certainly there are, right?
If there's, like, a person bleeding out and they say, like, hey, stay back, we're helping this guy.
Yeah, you shouldn't be there.
Like, let them save a life.
But in terms of these events where public figures and politicians are speaking and standing, you should only not be there if you are told you are not allowed to be there explicitly.
Don't make the assumption you are not welcome.
First mistake people have.
Psychic barrier.
They see a high-profile individual in a building and they think, well, I can't go in there.
You walk in the front door of the lobby and you might find out you actually are allowed to be there.
When I did the acorn story, an undercover where we call it ARMS, which is what you get if you pay for our class.
Agree, reframe, make the case, shut up.
That means that when I did the acorn story, I went in there as my girlfriend was a prostitute and I said I was gonna whore her out.
It was a legal scheme.
And the woman said, I'm sorry, sir, we can't talk to you.
I'm like, I had to ask her seven times.
And finally, in the eighth time, I say, listen, I have a unique life situation.
My colleague here is a lady of the night.
And I had to reframe it.
And finally she goes, all right, let's sit down.
Most people wouldn't even bother after the first attempt. - Exactly. - But the second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, and eighth, and I know you do this, Who was it with, the guy that you just ambushed?
And I ended up calling him out on financing the Taliban, the Bahajin.
For being partly responsible for a major event in New York City, for being a part of major secret societies, until the whole event erupted and booed me, and I got literally dragged out of that event and then chased down the street because they were trying to steal the camera that recorded this entire incident.
And I remember feeling so amazing afterwards, knowing that I committed to something, knowing that it was extremely uncomfortable.
I had a little grandma turn around Curse me out and say really awful things right to my face, eye to eye.
I can't say those things here on this particular broadcast.
I still get scared, and it's natural because you're going up to a politician and confronting them with an uncomfortable truth.
You're going up to them And everyone's kissing their butt.
Everyone's telling them how great they are.
Everyone's telling them how they love them and how they want to work with them and take a photo with them.
And you're like, okay, let's talk about all the lives you ruined.
Let's talk about all the businesses you destroyed.
Let's talk about all the people you caused horrendous death and suffering.
Let's actually hold you accountable to your actions.
And there's a huge power transfer when that happens.
But also an important aspect of these politicians being humbled and understanding that, holy cow, I have to face accountability to the people that I just screwed over.
And that right there is something that I can't recommend enough?
You're talking about getting past security guards and the reverse psychology.
It's also like all the President's Men, which is a movie about Wilberton and Bernstein in the analog era.
They had to show up to people's houses.
There's this sort of indefatigability resilience thing that everyone has to have in order to do this work.
Which is, you're getting told no 87 times.
They had to show up repeatedly, and I hate to give them kudos, but there are elements of what they did that are remarkable.
And they would show up to a woman's house and she'd say, I'm not going to talk to you, I'm not going to talk to you.
And there's this scene of Dustin Hoffman in the living room where he's just As he's being escorted out the door, drinking his coffee, just trying so hard to get the story.
When all the obstacles are against you, what makes someone that way?
I think it's a desire to get to the truth.
And when you're so passionate about that, I call a story, the story you're trying to get, nothing will get in your way.
They're going to continue to do something horrible unless we actually have a conversation and call them out, and they see their reaction, and they actually face account to it.
We could get justice.
We could actually have some kind of energetic kind of Reckoning with these individuals if I just do my job.
I need to feed off of their freaking lies and all the crap and all the propaganda and PR marketing that they're using in order to screw people over.
And I don't care how many times I was denied access.
I don't care how many times I was emailed saying, no, do not come to this event.
Luke, we know who you are.
Please do not come here.
I came, I used different names, I used different press credentials, I used different schemes, I came in through different doors, I walked through different angles, I talked my way into it, I got in there and I went right up to that person face-to-face and in many instances Many times, the PR people that told me I couldn't even come brought me to those individuals face-to-face, and it's just about showing up.
And I remember teaching a lot of random people this trick about how to get past certain barriers in order to get to politicians.
unidentified
One of the people that I trained used a lot of the same techniques and literally walked into the Super Bowl without a ticket and then during the MVP speech grabbed the microphone from the MVP during the Super Bowl and then told everyone that the government was lying to them about an event.
Yeah, but we're just talking about the larger sentiments of... What I'm saying is if You are in a private event, and you walk in, because you act like you own the place, and then someone says, excuse me sir, what do you think you're doing?
It's an obscure anecdote, but people find it interesting.
I snuck into a school in 2016, pretending to be someone giving an award to a teacher.
And schools are like Fort Knox.
I mean, it's like impossible to do this.
I did this as James O'Keefe in a light disguise.
It's all about your manner.
Undercover work, your manner manners more than your disguise.
And this guy, this teacher had done cocaine.
He's a health teacher.
And he had done cocaine, he was offering cocaine.
So I have him on video doing this.
And I go into the school, and I said, my name is Bill with New Star Learning.
And the secretary is sitting there, and she's very skeptical, but I had to be, you know.
So she brings me into the gymnasium with all the children, and I present this, it's on YouTube, I present this trophy to this druggy, this drug health teacher, unbeknownst to him.
And that was terrifying for me.
But I think it's the resilience thing.
It's the not taking no for an answer.
And by the way, you mentioned lying.
Undercover work, it's a question of relative deception.
Because if you present yourself as a journalist, what you're going to be told are lies.
When you say, I'm from the Washington Post.
You're going to be lied to.
But if you present yourself as not a journalist, then you're going to get honesty.
So I used to work for a music venue and it blew my mind when I found out That if you showed if you all these people are trying to sneak backstage like in the movies and stuff and then when I started working there guess what the doors are open with no security at 1 p.m.
for loading and for setup and so when they when I when I get this job and they're like come in tomorrow at 1 p.m.
for you know like to fill out the paperwork I walked to the venue, and there's this big band playing, it's like a 2,000, it's like a 1,000-something seat venue, and it's like a decently large mid-sized band, and I'm like, oh, cool, wow, they're playing!
And they're just standing there, walking in back and forth, going backstage, I walk in, no security everywhere, the building's empty, and I'm like, well, this is crazy, and then I walk into the green room where there's drinks, and like, the band's hanging out, I'm like, hey, what's up?
And they're like, how's it going, man?
I'm like, cool, and I just walk out, and I'm like- It was the way you behaved.
Well, no, no, no!
So, the security only showed up at 6pm, an hour before- the security only activated like an hour before doors.
Everyone shows up and then there's these security guards.
I'm like, how do I get past the security guards?
Like, you show up early?
It's crazy how, I think like the venue knows this.
They know they don't need security guards because the average person operates so predictably that they only show up right before the event and that's when you need security.
And I went there for a job and realized there was nobody there.
And I'm like walking around, going wherever I want to go in the basement.
And I'm like, nobody cared.
And then I tell the guy who was hiring me.
I was like, yeah, I walked around.
It was really cool.
He's like, oh, did you check out the green?
I was like, yeah, the band was there.
He's like, cool.
Nobody cares.
You know, so I asked, I was like, do regular people just walk in off the street?
He's like, yes.
So when the doors are open and they're setting up, someone will be walking by and walk in and ask about what's going on and they'll hang out for a bit like a regular customer.
Just like, oh, hey, what are you guys doing today?
I'm like, oh, we're gonna have a show.
It's gonna be at eight.
Here's the band.
And they'll go, oh, cool.
And then they'll be like, all right, well, I'll leave and I'll come back later.
Then the fans of the band show up only at the last minute going like, oh, man, I wish I could go backstage.
It's like nobody understands that the world is not so rigid.
It's more analog.
They assume a guy standing somewhere means something, and then that holds them back.
Sort of a corollary here, but with the methods that we're teaching at OMG for undercover work, This is such a cliche, but people always think, oh, do you get these girls to sleep with these guys to get all this information, like the Black Rock guy?
And we did one on Fox News recently, too, talking about the Dominion lawsuit.
It's actually no.
And if you look at the video that one of my colleagues did about Charlie Chester at CNN, This guy, we talked about this last time, was confessing.
And it's almost like they need someone to confess to.
But the technique that we use, which entails all this time, is you just have to express interest in them as people.
No, no, no, we don't, we don't do that, we don't cross the ethical line.
You really have to, it's amazing what people will tell you if you just ask, and are genuinely interested in them.
Because most people aren't.
Most people like to talk about themselves.
So, it's a simple technique, but there's a great book that we give out called It's Not About Me, where we would give this to every undercover journalist.
And you read it, and it's like, it's not about me, it's about them.
Just little techniques that citizens can learn that will, I think, make them more effective.
Because I think knowledge is power, and I think being equipped, as if it's a citizen, you know, Elon's talking about citizen journalism, being a little equipped in the laws and how to do it, I think will generate more people doing it.
I wonder though, I wonder if in your experience, I imagine there's probably two parent factions of individuals, those who gloat and those who confess, right?
Some of these people that you'll confront probably have a deep pain within themselves knowing they've done something wrong, and they want someone to tell them it's going to be okay, so they confess.
Other people are gloating at the, like, haha, guess what I got away with?
I mean, Charlie Chester was literally, his eyes were, looked toward the ceiling talking about fear cells.
He was either You know, acting and kind of looking in the mirror way, where he was just having an internal dialogue, confessing, but never really even looked at the person.
Just sort of talking internally aloud, because that's what people do.
But I think there's probably some people, like when you did the Twitter expose, talking about the censorship and stuff, you did a bunch of them, but it was this one, it was the Asian guy, I'm not sure, it's been a while.
Someone will be a part of something doing bad and they'll think to themselves, but I have to protect my family so I have no choice.
I wish I didn't have to do this.
So when someone gives them the opportunity and says what's happening, the reason they're telling you is because they're trying to absolve themselves of the sin.
And by the way, You just mentioned the word wrong, i.e.
right and wrong, i.e.
good and evil.
Morality.
Morality.
And the fact that there still is a morality, the fact that the villain in this case, the subject, the subject of undercover work, knows that it's wrong means that the subject has a sense of right and wrong.
And that shared morality, although the Venn diagram is shrinking, That morality, that righteous indignation that we summon from exposing things that people are willing to do that they're not willing to admit that they're willing to do, that is the thing that keeps the fabric of society bound together.
Because an investigative reporter summons righteous indignation and it patrols the boundaries of the moral order, testing and affirming what is and what is not.
It said, no one's trying to solve the problems anymore.
They're trying to get wealthy enough so the problems don't apply to them.
So that's what I see when I look at these journalists who are willing to lie, and they all do it, it's amazing, especially NBC News, one of the worst.
And it's because in their minds they're like, I gotta get the clicks, I gotta get paid, I understand, everything's burning down around me, but at least I'll be on the lifeboat.
Yeah, but it's the banality of demon worship versus overt demon worship.
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I think it's a combination of both.
I think there's definitely layers of it that could be explained in both kind of single ways, but again, I'm just being kind of a little sensationalistic here when I just said that.
But I kind of do wonder, like, is it them just who are propagandized and really do believe this stuff by the evil people, or are they actually evil?
I, you know, not only have I met him in person on several occasions, there was one point a few years ago where he asked to grab a drink and talk about what was going on, and it's just like, these journalists, They know what they're doing is wrong.
And you don't have to tell me how you know this, but you're telling us that you've learned or that you know that Oliver Darcy, he knows what he's doing.
What I'm saying is, when I've met with him years ago, my takeaway from the conversation we had is that he's aware of the game being played and he's playing it and he doesn't care.
You know, I remember having a conversation with one journalist when I was at Fusion and talking about, you know, Trump and Trump supporters.
And I said, and one of the issues with this company, for instance, is that it's taking a hard partisan line and insulting people who feel aggrieved.
And this journalist was like, really?
That's happening?
And I'm like, you really don't know what people think or feel, do you?
But I was a tech journalist, and so the tech journalists are fairly, and I mean this in a literal sense, lightly autistic.
They're very logical, you know, 1-1-1-0-0-1.
But then there are people who are just stupid, and they'll believe whatever they're told.
But I have met people in this career that, when you sit down next to them, Before a word is said it feels like there is a magnetic pressure of some kind of force pushing against you that feels evil and Like it's I would say dark.
It's like a void It's like you feel like you're sitting next to the devil or a demon like On the flip side of that is the hero, the brave Jody O'Malley, Kyle Serafin, Eric Cochran, Spencer Meads.
These whistleblowers who actually do give up their homes, their lives.
And what would, like, Tim, what is your, because I've got mine, but what is your message to those people?
Like the FBI agents who just go along, it's like, I got the pension.
But to give that up, it is hard.
I mean, no question, materialistically speaking, I disagree though.
The FBI agents that are engaging in evil actions under the excuse that I don't want to lose my paycheck or whatever, all they are saying is it is easier for them to be evil than to be good.
That's it.
If someone came to you and said they'd give you a million dollars to, you know, like, torture a dog, most people are gonna say, how dare you?
In fact, most cops in this country will not accept a bribe over minor infractions.
You go to other countries, they don't care.
But then you look at someone like Dr. Fauci.
Offer him millions of dollars to torture dogs, and he'll say, you got it, no problem!
They put bags over beagles' heads, and then had starving gnats eat the faces while the dog was alive.
What sane person would be like, yes, I'll do that for him on Friday?
So this is my point.
If someone, if they say, A lot of these law enforcement officers who are bad, the reason why we see so many people confess is because they know they're evil, they know they're a component of evil, and they don't wanna bring risk upon themselves.
So when Trump is being targeted, I've met various people who work in the intelligence agencies.
We actually have a lot of fans who are former or current FBI.
In fact, we've had Kyle Serafin, am I getting his name right?
What I hear from a lot of these people is that it is the same inside as it is outside.
That it is a culture war.
That there are many good people, many who even like Trump, but they know if they speak up, they'll be attacked, they'll be persecuted, they'll be fired, they'll be investigated, and they're scared to do it.
So all that is required for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing.
And so the people that I meet, I'm just like, I'm sorry, I gotta be honest, if you expect me to have respect for you after you just told me you know the institution is evil but you participate in it, what's my reaction supposed to be to that?
That I'm so sorry this is happening to you?
Or, please stop being evil.
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Yeah, you need to ask yourself, are you a good person?
Or are you a bad person?
And are you okay willing to deal with the larger energetic ramifications of this with the spiritual war for the rest of your existence?
And I wonder, for a lot of these people in law enforcement, and I know there's a lot of good cops, like I said, most of them won't accept a bribe.
I mean, there's scruples, there's fear, it's like, I do not want to do that, that's wrong.
And those psychic barriers are good, but I really do wonder sometimes about a lot of these feds, that if they were ordered to take a bag of puppies and throw it off a bridge, they'd probably just do it.
Well, the FBI agents in my apartment, I could see it in their faces, maybe I'm reading too much into it, but I could see half of them are like, what are we doing here?
I mean, I could just see it.
But they're following orders.
Historically, that doesn't work so well.
I have hope because this is America.
I feel like, well, Rome and everyone's talking about this right now, and as we descend into chaos, I don't even know.
I hope that we will, as a society, make it to the election.
Every day, every week it seems like there's another monumental chaotic, but I think because we're Americans I feel like there's a different ethos, there's a bravery, there's a frontiersman, there's a willingness.
It's just that I have, I see this, I was just going to the airport, Tim, last night, very late, TSA agent looks at my ID, and they, you know, they look at me, look at my ID, the guy goes, they haven't killed you yet, James?
What people need to understand is, going after James O'Keefe is very, very difficult.
If they are to ban someone with millions of followers from a social media platform, they know they are inviting a massive PR backlash.
And you've got to be careful of even social martyrdom, like banning someone creates like this minor version of it where it's like, no, we rally around this person, they end up getting more subscribers.
You ban someone off of YouTube or Twitter, they're going to add 50,000, if they have a million subscribers, they're going to add 50,000 to 100,000 paying members overnight, giving them substantially more money than they ever would have gotten.
What people need to understand is that when Twitter started banning everybody, We heard the stories of high profile people.
Oh, they banned Alex Jones.
But I hope everyone realizes they banned 100,000 regular Americans before they got to Alex Jones.
They are mowing through people who can't fight back first.
So these people who are whispering like, hey, they're coming for you.
Don't worry, I'm fine, bro.
They're not going to show up to my house.
I have armed guards.
The activists are going to show up to your house first.
I'm trying to prevent that.
But I need you to stand with me so that we can have this fight and we can we can prevent these things from happening.
But the stories we get Of the people who are shot and killed.
Of the people whose homes are protested or attacked.
These aren't high-profile individuals.
In some instances, yes, of course.
Tucker Carlson happened at Cassandra Fairbanks, my friend.
But a lot of the stories we don't even hear about.
Because a person with a hundred followers who uses Twitter just to be involved and says, I'm not going to say anything.
One day they wake up and a brick flies through their window.
And then who do they have to ask for help?
Nobody.
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Or their business is looted, or they get stabbed as they're walking down the street, and those things happen to somebody.
There's no question, I'm just, there's no question though that it's painful, okay?
And I think that the moral of this story is that this actually did happen, I'm not making this up, this was last night, going to the airport, the guy actually said to me, and at first I'm thinking, this guy did not like me.
People that don't like you, they'll look at you, but they'll never say a word.
Because they don't acknowledge the other.
The communists don't want to engage in conversation.
But a fan, there will always be that moment where they look at you, look at the idea, look at you, and go, they haven't killed you yet.
And I was just so taken, I was so taken aback by that.
But that was the right response.
But then I thought, that guy, he probably, you know, he probably makes, you know, $65,000 a year, he has his apartment, maybe he's married.
And imagine what I'm asking him to give up.
But, but, there are people who are willing to give things up, because there are some things more important in life than the mortgage.
Yeah, I think this issue for me is for one, I understand the fears of those who have children, the great A greater fear than anything.
I told the story, actually the video might be coming out at some point today, actually I think it was 10am.
The story of Andre the Rooster.
I tweeted about this.
Andre, it was a rooster, and a raccoon attacked his flock, and he sacrificed himself to save his hens.
And there was, it's a silly story, it's kind of funny, and I like using roosters as an example of the great sacrifice, because chickens are hilarious.
It's silly to associate this bravery with an animal we associate with cowardice.
But what I tweeted was, the woman whose rooster died, Andre, defending the hens, said that he was fearless.
And I said, Andre was not fearless.
Andre feared for his life.
But there was something that he feared greater than death, and it was standing over the dead bodies of his family.
And that is what motivates so many people to be involved in the fight.
And so when we're talking earlier and you guys saying your heart's pounding out of your chest and you're like, you're terrified, I always understand what, I don't understand what people, people are like, oh, you're so fearless in doing these things.
And I'm like, bro, like when I used to cover a conflict crisis, people would be like, haha, Tim's scared.
I'd be like, are you nuts?
People are shooting at each other.
Of course I'm scared.
If I went in there with no, with completely feeling nothing, I'd probably die.
But it's overcoming the fear and bringing yourself to do the job that is important.
And the community of people, because there are some days, Tim, even I'm like, this is a lot.
Last week, when I went through with this, you know, this is so complicated to explain, but 30, 40 lawyers, I have no indemnification, I still have to pay my lawyers in the FBI case, I have to pay the legal bills of all the journalists I've ever worked with, and the company I founded is suing me.
I've been sued so many times and I'm now indemnifying the people.
I'm having to provide for people while the organization I founded is trying to Kill me while my former board member wants me to commit suicide while the government's trying to attack me.
I'm under criminal investigation, you know, probed in all these different ways.
And I just think some days like this is really hard.
This is really difficult.
And sometimes the only thing you do when you're struggling is you have to surround yourself with like-minded people who are also willing.
A community of people.
That's the only way!
You have to build a community of people who are willing, and you have to be brothers, you know, the band of brothers, to borrow the Shakespearean analogy.
James, you could, uh, you could just stop right now.
You'll be rich for the rest of your life, and you can go on your sailboat.
And you can sit back and see all the beautiful oceans.
Why resist?
Why be a challenge to these individuals?
I ask that not seriously, because I think a lot of people really don't understand that for, you know, all of us.
A lot of people do understand.
I'm not saying you don't understand.
I'm saying there's some people who just don't get it.
It would be so much easier if, you know, I work 16 hours a day, basically.
From sunup to sundown, I'm working.
And if I'm not working, it's in between because I'm eating and exercising or something.
I mean, if I got rid of all of this, and just did private consulting, I would be rich, and I'd live a life of comfort and leisure with no conflict, and not a care in the world, because I'm smart enough to survive on my own.
But instead, I choose to do some of the most, like, strenuous and stressful work imaginable, engaging in some of the most dangerous topics, and it's, um, I forgot who said it, better to be a fisherman than meddle in the affairs of men or something like that.
We actively choose what is hard but what is right when we could have easily chosen luxury and leisure.
And so many people do.
So many celebrities, privately.
Oh, I can't tell you.
Oh, the celebrities that I've met who are like, I'm voting for Trump.
And then I'm like, maybe you should tweet that right now.
And I'm just like, you know what, look, I'll accept that at the very least you are doing something you think is good in voting for Trump, but if every one of these individuals, so many musicians, so many actors, who, oh man, it's hilarious.
You know, I hate to be Debbie Downer, I guess, but, you know, what you were saying earlier on in the show, James, about how the nature of humans, there's so much darkness.
Right now, we're watching this fight with Matt Gaetz and the GOP establishment.
And they want to expel him.
They're accusing him of these ridiculous and insane issues of impropriety and ethics violations.
And then you get these other members of Congress who just fall in line behind Kevin McCarthy and try to justify why it's a good thing.
And I'm just, I'm like, sorry, I'm not in your system.
I am not beholden to the pressures of Congress and political leadership.
I'm not worried about re-election.
I have not, there is nothing that will require me to say Kevin McCarthy should be Speaker.
It's the same old machine that Americans hate, the corrupt system of Congress, and there's only a small handful of Republicans who are actually willing to step up and say, screw off with this, and Matt Gaetz is basically it.
When I see Thomas Massey, Lauren Boebert, Marge Taylor Greene get behind the establishment maneuver, That's it.
The path of least resistance.
They're thinking, I'd imagine, and I'll talk to them about it because I do like them, but I'm imagining they're saying something like, if all I can do is get some things done while I'm here, I might as well do it.
Because if I resist, I'll get removed and get nothing done.
And I'm kind of like, wow.
That is the losingest strategy I've ever heard, and I've heard it over and over and over again my whole life.
People who say, you get into Congress, you wanna do all these big things, and then you realize you're up against this machine, if you fight them, they'll kick you out and get somebody else, so it's best to just get your incremental change.
And I'm like, you're not getting incremental change.
You're getting 99 steps towards evil, so you can try and get one step towards good.
Then the next person who comes in erases your one step 99 times over.
I've been playing poker quite a bit, so I've got all the poker analogies, but there's lessons in the things that I do in my life from skateboarding and poker.
And the way I explain it to people is, if you're looking at this battle between Matt Gaetz and Kevin McCarthy, What you have here is Thomas Massey.
Well, actually, I think Massey truly believes, and he's actually, like, adamant about it.
I think he's viewing this as, like, is a good thing with McCarthy.
I don't see him, for the most part, as someone who's, like, selling out their values because they're scared.
But there are other people who have voted for McCarthy, and these are the kind of players in a poker table who probably have a really, really good hand.
Probably could win, but fold because they're scared anyway.
And then Matt Gaetz is the guy whose guy's hand is okay, and he shoves all his chips right in the middle of the table and says, let's play.
How scared are you?
And the machine got scared and backed down and folded to him.
You have to be willing to take the risks like the founding fathers did.
The founding fathers of this country thought we would lose.
They thought that if we went to war with the Crown for independence, we would lose and be crushed.
And they said, let's do it.
And fortunately for us, the French intervened, giving us a massive advantage and destabilized, and because they were at war with Britain.
But the...
The attitude there was, you know what?
I might lose.
But let's see how much you're willing to lose.
How much do you care?
And the funny thing is, when I ask my British friends about the American Revolution, they're like, it's a footnote in our history, dude.
Like, our history goes back a thousand plus years.
We don't care about this one small period for one of our colonies.
Our country is here, and we had colonies all over the world.
I mean, that is the chief law enforcement officer of the state of New York.
This is the difference between the founding of the country and now.
In a courtroom, just ran on a campaign, find me the man and I'll show you the crime.
I'm gonna make him famous.
And the problem with this image, such an amazing image, is that half the people will look at this like me and be outraged at the absurdity of quote-unquote, and the other people will be enthralled.
There are so many grains of sand in the Civil War heap.
And there are a lot of people who have been consistently saying for a long time, I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
I don't care.
I can be wrong.
That's fine.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
That's fine.
But I'm just gonna say it right now.
If I came to you six months ago, six months ago, after everything you've seen with the indictments, I think six months ago, he wasn't indebted yet.
When did he get it?
He got it a couple months ago.
But if I came to you six months ago and said, a judge will summarily rule that Trump's properties are worth a tenth of what they're actually worth, or a twentieth, and that he committed fraud without a trial, without hearing evidence, Would you believe me?
Would you believe me if I said right now what they're going to do, and I could be wrong about this, I'm just saying, here's something I see.
They've already stated in this trial that Donald Trump committed fraud.
The judge banged the gavel without a trial, with no hearing.
The judge rejected the evidence of the lenders saying the properties are worth what they're worth, and the judge said no they're not.
So here's what happens next.
What they're doing now, in this hearing, is they've already determined summarily that Trump committed fraud.
Now they're trying to determine whether or not Trump's organization falsified documents.
But if the court's premise is that a $500 million property is only worth $50 million, any document Trump's organization created that says 500 million is thereby falsified.
Then when the judge bangs the gavel and says, see, we heard the evidence, this proves it.
Trump, you now owe the state of New York $250 million.
That $500 million building you have?
It's actually worth $5 million.
You now owe us $245 million and we've seized your building.
I'm telling people they've arrested Trump's lawyers, they've sanctioned Trump's lawyers, other lawyers in other states to the tunes of millions of dollars, they've already summarily declared he committed fraud, and are arguing his properties are worth a fraction of their value, and they're demanding 250 million dollars from him.
The next move is the government of New York will seize Trump's buildings and properties, likely auction them off to their allies, Maybe not.
But you say, how do we govern?
I don't think there's a government, when the federal government is in on it, attacking the former president.
The FBI has said Trump supporters are terrorists.
All of them.
Every single one of Trump's followers are terrorists.
The locals of Staten Island protested that they're bringing in non-citizens under police protection, and the police arrested the residents.
They've brought in people who are not from your home and not even a citizen of your country, and then arrested you for having a problem with it.
They've offered these people free money, free travel, special legal protections and work permits, and then arrested you when you said, hey, wait a minute.
I think that the right and the left, it's happening on the right too, they want this political coercion.
Go after them because they're them, as opposed to because they've done something illegal.
Although you can find any, show me, find me the man, I'll show you the crimes.
But this is the fight, to get back to the overarching theme of OMG and my future is that people the first amendment is so important in this country showing people what's happening is but I think increasingly people just want political coercion they want to put you know here's a good here's a good way of saying this right if I go to rural rural Michigan and I say how many of you people want AOC in jail The majority, I want her in jail.
And if I go to Queens, New York, and I say, how many of you people want, you know, James O'Keefe in jail?
I think if you look at the positions of the left, they are unreasonable, they are psychotic, destructive, and evil.
The right has consistently tried being reasonable, not always, but they keep trying to play this slow-down-there Democrats.
I think our best course of action is, if Trump gets elected, the first thing before anyone thinks of anything else is, let's vote for Trump and cross our fingers that he begins firing people, brings in an AG, we get some convictions and arrests.
But until we say anything else, we have an opportunity with Trump leading in the polls, with major cultural victories, with the failures of Bud Light Target, Wokeness failing, even Black Rock Vanguard and State Street are getting scared of saying ESG now because the cultural tides are shifting.
What we're seeing here with these actions taken by Democrats in New York is panic, fear, and desperation.
They couldn't stop Trump, so they're resorting to illegal and unconstitutional tactics, which I think is actually going to destroy their efforts.
Thrashing about violently, you know, you go to a crowd of people and start screaming at the top of your lungs, the end is nigh, the end is nigh, no one's gonna listen to you, even if the end is nigh.
All you do is destroy your credibility.
So right now, it is worrying, and there are grains of sand in the Civil War heap, but I think, right now, we are looking at a— When you say grains of sand, what do you mean?
So, you know, the old question, how many grains of sand make a heap, right?
And so, if you take a grain of sand and drop it on the table, do you have a heap of sand?
Of course not.
Two grains of sand?
Of course not.
At what point does that sand become what you would describe as a heap?
We don't really know.
It's a negligible number.
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I see.
I don't think there's going to be— Sorry, go ahead.
But having been through this particular kind of psychological carnage, having been sued 30 times and raided and arrested, federal jail and arraigned, I can tell you that I don't know, and I'm speaking aloud for your audience because you've got some smart people watching, I don't know how you solve it.
Trump's a billionaire.
Or at least close to it, and his legal bills are, I don't know what they are, 60 million, 100 million.
Lawyers, I mean, what I've learned, lawyers are becoming millionaires off of the backs of absolute injustice and tragedy.
And this sort of thing, as the administrative state grows, Tim, and they just need a bunch of regulators just going after everyone, lawyers are going to become millionaires.
And again, it goes back to that money.
Give me that money!
I want that money!
These are not bad people.
These are lawyers billing six hundred, eight hundred thousand dollars an hour.
It's one of the great ironies of my life is I took black car to go to the meeting.
These guys take private jets to represent me!
To represent me!
So I don't know how we solve for the legal issue.
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I don't think it's going to be done politically.
I think it has to be done socially, economically, culturally.
I think people need to know about What's the thing when you go to court, when you're a jury, you get to have jury nullification.
I think a lot of people need to understand what that is.
These juries in New York, dude, they don't care.
They're doing the opposite.
I don't think voting is going to get us out of here.
That's why the Gates-McCarthy thing, it's like, I don't even, it's like, we need a journalistic The solution is citizen journalism, decentralization, a lot of small, instead of just one sword, instead of one head coming out, it should be paper cuts.
The only reason Trump is winning right now is because of everything you're describing.
Because of the cultural victories, because of the media, because of the journalism, more and more people are waking up, and the desperation from New York, it's freaking people out.
But but actually the majority of New Yorkers yes in an urban urban urban areas I'm in Washington DC hanging out with what is a dense liberal?
Extremely, and I'm hearing regular people saying it's freaking them out really yeah Yeah, absolutely.
I had a guy last week, I mentioned this, he said he hates Trump, but they should not be doing what they're doing to him, it's freaking him out.
I think this is stress on regular people who don't want conflict, and it's going to cause them to bow out from voting for Democrats and just back away, which gives Trump an edge.
But what I'm saying is, all of the cultural victories we have, the Founding Fathers, what did they do for 10 years before the Revolution?
They were leafleting, they were pamphleting, they were writing books, they were sharing ideas.
It's leading to a cultural shift.
Which then brings in a Donald Trump who is not going to be perfect, maybe doesn't get everything we need done, but I do think that turns things around a little bit on the political side.
This is where if we start getting, if the corporate media fails, and they're failing, They're losing audience and they're fizzling out in a lot of ways.
But are only possible because we are shifting culture.
So we must always continue the cultural battles, building a parallel economy, spreading the message, and distributing the ideas among people of what is right and what should be, and it results in the evil losing cultural authority, and then politics comes after that.
But with that being said, we have a lot more to talk about later tonight in Miami at the event where James will be joining us, so good conversation.
I think we'll wrap it up here as we're getting a little late.
Did you all have any final thoughts or do you want to shout anything out?
I think, considering what Matt Gaetz has just pulled off in Congress, which is historic, the first speaker to be removed, and the ongoing battle, I think that'll be a large portion of the conversation.
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Nothing is planned, so we'll just have a conversation, we'll see where it goes.
What's the website for your... O'KeefeMediaGroup.com.
Masterclasses are live.
Next week is our first webinar and we're going to be building out basically a journalism school for what I do.
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Absolutely.
And let's talk more about that, because I think that's something that I did before, and I think we should do it as well.
I personally do not think one man will save you.
I think we need a decentralized effort.
That's why I also started Change Media University, teaching people how to do everything that I'm doing—media, marketing, videos, editing, Getting into events, confronting politicians, 30 plus videos, courses, homework, you name it, we got it.
Change Media University is available for members of LukeUnfiltered.com.
We're also doing a members-only meetup this Sunday, 4 p.m., for members of LukeUnfiltered.com.
That's the main way to support me, main way to talk to me, get into a forum, and work with me one-on-one.
