The Culture War #31 - Weaponization & Corruption Of The DOJ with Kyle Seraphin & Garret O'Boyle
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And so you have Enrique Tarrio, who the only thing they have is that he posted on, I think Parler, don't effing leave.
Whereas you have Ray Epps telling people to do it, but they claim Enrique is the one who actually orchestrated and conspired against the US government.
And Enrique Tarrio's saying, no, I'm in a hotel room in Baltimore and he's getting 22 years.
I don't know how anybody can look at this objectively and say it's not a weaponized justice system.
So before I was an FBI agent, I was a cop.
Before that, I was in the army, in the infantry for six years.
You know, 9-11 kind of is what put me on this path.
And I always thought, regardless of our shortfalls as a country, I love America and I want to do what I can to help her and to leave it better for my children than it was when I was growing up.
Today, I can't say that it is.
It's far worse in a lot of ways.
And one thing that stands out to me, my old police chief, he used to always say, you don't have to be right, you just have to be reasonable.
When you look at something like Yeah.
So I guess we'll start with a broad question for you guys.
Versus a misdemeanor charge slap on the wrist to the guy who was claiming that he orchestrated it.
Even some conservatives have said we're just talking about the DC field office.
Like there's a lot of really great FBI agents, they go after child trafficking.
To what degree is the FBI corrupt, right?
Is it really just like there's a network of higher-ups who are highly political and a lot of the agents are trying to do good work or is it just everybody's just in it for themselves and don't care?
I'm gonna tee up Garrett with an answer to this because there's a piece to it, there's a broader piece as well.
So let's talk specifically on what you just said.
I want people to imagine who's knocking on their door and asking them questions, were you in Washington D.C.?
Who are the people that are doing the arrests of people that attended January 6th that were basically on an unguided tour of the Capitol?
Now, there are people that were violent and nobody in the FBI and nobody who was in the FBI should be mad about somebody who punched a cop going to jail.
I have no problem with that.
Like, send them to jail.
You bring a flagpole and you use that as a weapon system, you're a jerk.
You shouldn't be hitting cops.
There are commensurate punishments, by the way, because I was actually at Trump's inauguration in 2017, and I saw what goes on when people committed felonies there.
It may have been a migrant's private limo service, but it was... That may have been who the driver was, but apparently it was actually... It was a government vehicle.
So we're up there, and they had this like... It was very dystopian, by the way.
Like, all these things were burned, and there was like a rock band that was playing that was kind of mediocre.
And then there were like all these kids screaming into the cops' faces back and forth, and I see this guy shine a laser pointer through the trees, and so you could see all the laser hits going through the trees right into the helicopter.
So we followed this guy.
We got permission over the radio to actually put him into cuffs.
We put him into cuffs, park police came, transported him, and took him away.
There were people that were hiding in the statues.
They have some of these things that are like big chalices that are in Lafayette Park.
And I actually found out as I was leaving D.C. because I lived in D.C. for five years, I worked at the Washington field office.
That was my background, you know, my backyard.
Some kid who was doing an inspection on my roof as we sold our house, he was like, oh man, I was at the White House on that day and I was hiding up in this thing and I thought Secret Service was going to get me.
Yeah, you could we're not we are not encouraged to be able to take proactive means like that guy admitting that basically he was involved in that riot.
So let's throw it to Garrett to elaborate on that question.
It seems like You know, I saw a video of a guy, three FBI agents show up to his house asking him for information on one of his neighbors, and he's like, not happening.
So Kyle mentioned Police Battalion 101, and there's a book called Ordinary Men by a guy named Christopher Browning.
And it has stood out to me for a number of years now, but it really, I guess, came to the forefront of my mind when I was in new agents training in Quantico.
So every new FBI employee is taken on a field trip to the Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, D.C., and it is an extremely powerful experience.
And the entire point of that trip, the director of the FBI speaks to your class at the end, the whole point of the trip Is don't forget the past, so we don't repeat it.
I thought it was a great trip, but I don't know if you guys have ever been there, but on the wall, when you walk in one of the walls, it's a poem from a Lutheran pastor, Martin Niemöller, and it's the one that essentially says, first they came for You know, the communists and nobody spoke up.
And, you know, at the end, then they came for me and nobody was left to speak up.
And it's real big on the wall.
I remember seeing that.
And I remember just thinking in the context of law enforcement.
That's it.
It's a preeminent example because this ordinary men story.
They were butchers and carpenters and they were reserve cops, right?
And so they have their ordinary duties and then they get activated because the war is starting to kick off and this particular group gets sent to Poland.
And in July of 1942, they get orders to start executing all the Jews in the town.
They got to the point where people who were moving too slowly to get onto the boxcars were getting shot in the back of the head, old people and toddlers, because they weren't... And these were regular, these are ordinary men.
That's the story.
And so the story of tyranny, and this is the thing that I think Garrett and I were so scared about.
Garrett and I didn't know each other in the FBI.
We never worked together.
Okay.
There's another guy named Steve Friend who's part of our little kind of collective.
We call ourselves the Suspendables.
It started off as a joke.
The Suspendables started off as a joke because we saw the Sliced Alone movie via Expendables.
We wrote a letter to the FBI director, an open letter with 45 questions.
Why not?
Because Trump was number 45.
We thought that was a funny number.
It was literally just kind of an FU number.
So we write up 45 questions for the FBI director.
We put it on Twitter.
It ends up going viral.
And then the New York Times wrote a piece, a hit piece, really, talking about the suspendables.
And when the paper of records starts talking about your organization like it's a real thing, you're like, I guess we're a real thing.
Now we have it.
We got merch.
We grabbed the website and went after it.
But when you are in that category of people, we didn't know each other.
We never worked together.
We all just saw the exact same problem.
And every single person that's ever come forward that I've talked to That has been in the FBI in the last little bit.
They cite the Holocaust trip.
The going to that memorial.
I mean, you can walk through there.
You smell the shoes of the people that were killed.
They have a room that has something like 800,000 shoes.
It's just, like, it's overwhelming.
It's a large room.
You walk through the central little corridor.
There's glass walls on either side of it.
And it's just piles and piles and piles of shoes that they took out of one of the camps.
Those are people's lives that were destroyed because government officials didn't say no.
They said, okay, my job, my paycheck, my pension, I've got a family, I got a mortgage, I've got health insurance I need to pay.
All the things that we're seeing that the current FBI agents are doing, they're showing up on arrest warrants for guys who were like pro-life protesters, like Mark Hout, who was in Philadelphia.
And basically some guy said the worst things you can imagine to his eight-year-old son at the time.
And Mark Haupt was a football player in college.
He's a big dude.
And he threw the guy on the ground.
Like, imagine if you're a father, and I've got four children, and Garrett's got four children.
Somebody comes up to my six-year-old and starts putting some horrific swear words and some really graphic language that's really awful, saying things about their dad.
They're probably going to experience some physical violence from me.
And it may not be that well restrained.
I thought Mark was incredibly restrained.
And the DOJ came even after the local authority said, this is just a spat between two guys.
One guy had instigating language.
The other guy got physically, you know, and he was very restrained.
That's the end of it.
The FBI came and investigated that and they came after him under the FACE Act, which is crazy.
It's fully crazy.
And now we're sentencing people in DC.
That's currently happening right now.
We just sentenced a bunch of pro-life protesters that were praying the rosary.
The FACE Act actually has the fourth clause of it says that it protects the free access to churches.
So if you're obstructing access to a church, then you're not allowed, then you have the same violation.
That's the same crime.
But look at the number of people from Jane's Revenge that were like firebombing pregnancy crisis centers or going after Catholic churches and defacing the tabernacles or stealing, you know, any of the relics.
That should also have the same thing.
If we saw equal justice, people would go, I guess don't screw with churches and don't screw with abortion clinics.
He went to American University, by the way, and was part of one of the Antifa cells there, I'm pretty sure, because that's where all the organizing for Disrupt J20.
I know you guys talked about it.
We were talking about it as well.
But there was a big push to try to stop the inauguration of Donald Trump, which we've already forgotten about that insurrection.
You then have the middle, middle ground tier, where if you are a regular American facing crimes that only the feds can handle, you are ignored completely.
They're not gonna bother you, they're not gonna waste their time on you, they're not gonna help you either.
So, you know, to keep it vague, I'll keep it as vague as I can.
You know, I had an issue which was...
I believe an issue over a million dollars across multiple states and We were told explicitly it won't move the needle for the FBI have a nice day And I'm like in the districts you guys are in that's that's crazy But you know obviously we're on the we're on the we're on the ass end tier where they're basically like we don't want to help you We want to find a way to lock you up, but then you have the third tier which is Yeah, they want to lock you up.
So they'll come knock on your door and they'll say, we're not here investigating you.
Could you tell me what time it is?
And you'll be like, I don't know, it's one or something.
I've gone into interviews when I was an FBI agent.
And I used that threat of 1001 with the person I'm talking to, because by the time you get to that point, if you're doing your job correctly, you probably already have them on a 1001, or you're confident you will, because you have done so much due diligence to get to the point where it's like, okay, now I'm going to go interview the subject of this potential crime.
And I would lead with that.
Like, hey, you know, if you lie to me, That is an additional charge.
And they'd always say, yeah, yeah, I know, I know.
And then I spent three years doing surveillance where I looked at a little bit of everything.
But I wasn't the guy who was the case agent.
I was looking at stuff.
And we have some bad guys out there.
There's some legit terrorist subjects who do some weird things.
None of the legit terrorist subjects that I've seen have ever been arrested.
The ones that were the scariest, that were armed, swore allegiance to ISIS, going out and doing, like, firearms training in the middle of the desert, and, like, getting themselves ready to conduct an attack, and had already said that they wanted to, like, put their life on the line for Allah, those people have not been arrested.
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Is that because they want to let them commit the crime, catch them, and then have them lead them to the next big death?
They're totally incentivized to have an overt act.
And getting someone to do an overt act, but you know, the other thing is, is like, I used to work a lot of white supremacists and you'll find what they'll do is a white supremacist on average, in my experience, and I have what, three years and thousands of hours of watching people in that category.
It's like, it's a 20 something year old kid who may or may not be in college who wears loafers and khaki pants and a polo shirt and is drinking a latte at Starbucks.
And he's like rage texting or tweeting and he's saying shitty things on Reddit.
And he's a racist, maybe.
And then when you put an undercover into them, which cost tens of thousands of dollars, if not more, plus my surveillance team, which would cost, you know, just on salaries alone, $10,000 a day for a shift for eight hours.
They would go like, hey man, you want to do some real racist stuff and like go kill some cops or something?
You want to kill some black cops?
And he's like, no, I think I'm going to like get a job and like maybe meet a girl and hold hands with her.
Like, they don't want to do the thing they say online.
And then he's like, Feds showed up at my house and when they realized I'm just like some fat dude who sits in the living room and plays video games all day, they apologized and left.
And nobody has a... It's like the first time that someone's been charged for something like this, they claimed it was disenfranchisement or something like that.
Everybody knows the stories, especially when you look at the Whitmer case, three more acquittals, that what the FBI does is, like you mentioned, they'll find some guy who's sitting on his couch being like, Dang old government, you know, I hate the government!
And then they'll come and be like, here are a bunch of weapons.
I mean, there's countless examples of this, but it happens all the time.
I just pulled up one.
Do you guys remember back in 2015, the Garland, Texas shooting?
I mean, like, I feel like a lot of this stuff we got, we have to, we have to like bring it back up so we don't memory hole it.
The headline from The Intercept, and this is from 2016, this just came up recently again because I think the case is ongoing, but the headline says, FBI agent goaded Garland shooter to tear up Texas, raising new alarms about Bureau's methods.
This undercover FBI agent followed that shooter and never intervened.
Because the FBI is incentivized for cases like this, so then they can come out and say, hey, we stopped the terror.
We stopped the terrorism.
You know, you guys ever see the meme with the stick?
There's a video of someone cutting them open and it's cake.
It was cake the whole time!
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Garrett, were you saying with this Texas shooting and maybe with all of these that the FBI agents will set it up and orchestrate a terror plot just to break up the plot to be like, I was the guy that stopped terror?
So, in the FBI there's a system called IPM, Integrated Program Management, and it's basically like a business model for law enforcement, which in the supposed land of the free, that's not how law enforcement is supposed to be working.
I'm pretty sure people who came up with this idea never took a constitutional law class.
If they did, they need to go back and take it again, because that is not how law enforcement is supposed to work in this country, where You, maybe you find somebody on Facebook who posts something that is derogatory or you think in your head, hmm, maybe we could go with this guy a little bit more.
He seems predisposed is what the FBI and the DOJ will use because they will set up a terror plot like this.
And in this case, that guy did go and shoot.
And I think a local police officer or security guard is the one who intervened.
I want to tell you the story that I think is the way that it worked, okay?
This is the overarching narrative for people to grasp, and the more people can understand this, the better off we are.
The FBI was incentivized right after 9-11.
My buddy George Hill, who was an FBI whistleblower, he's the one who brought forward the Bank of America records and testified in front of Congress.
Bank of America volunteered all their stuff to the FBI.
They said anybody who used a Bank of America charge card That was in D.C.
on January 5th, 6th, and 7th.
Here's a list of all the people that did that so you can run down anybody in D.C.
voluntarily.
And by the way, here's the prioritized versions who have bought a gun at some point in time using one of our products.
They gave them a cross-reference.
So that's what George Hill brought forward.
And he told me this on my little podcast that we were sitting in an interview and I'm like, what's the story here?
He goes, on September 12th, 2001, the American people accepted a new definition of national security.
And the definition is this.
It went from protect and defend the Constitution Secure the Republic that exists under the Constitution.
That's what it previously meant.
People die in that pursuit all the time.
They have for a long time.
I have friends who have.
I know Garrett does as well.
When that happens, that's what we did.
On the 12th of September, 2001, the definition became, no American dies from terrorism on American soil again.
And once you do that, that is a totalitarian position.
That is zero COVID.
It doesn't matter what, zero anything, a no-fail mission equals you're gonna be tyrannical about it.
In the military, that's fine.
If you have a no-fail mission and things have to get really aggressive and you're gonna sacrifice people along the way, if that is that important, they do so.
But that's what the mission changed to.
And so what we did was, the intelligence community and the FBI specifically, got involved in hunting down international terrorism, what we call IT.
Okay, there's a whole section for it, the International Terrorism Operations section, ITOS.
And those guys hunt down international terrorists.
Okay, well you run out of those because our military is fantastic at what they do.
Hurt feelings, break stuff overseas, tie up ISIS, tie up Al-Qaeda, you name it.
They were doing that.
They were doing that overseas.
And so they did.
Well, we ran out of local international terrorists.
You just didn't go down and find anymore.
But there's a big budget, and so they had to keep finding them.
So they found a second tier of people.
And what we found in the mid 2000s into like 2010, 12, 15, you know, around before 2015, the tier was called HVEs.
You probably heard the term homegrown violent extremists.
And that means people who are domestic, they're first generation Americans, they're second generation, maybe they're naturalized US citizens, but they live here and they're in the United States.
They have a right to be here.
But they associate with a foreign ideology.
So now you've gone from foreign ideology, that's foreign, to domestic, with foreign ideology.
Once you're looking inside of your own house, and you're like, who are the terrorists?
Then you might as well keep the third tier, which is called domestic violent extremists, which is what we're at right now.
That's tier three, because you're already looking around the house, you go, who else is a threat?
How about that guy?
He's got a rifle on his shirt, and he's got an American flag that looks like an upside-down Betsy Ross flag.
That's a problem.
So now you end up with things that I exposed with my buddies, it was like, The Betsy Ross flag, the Gadsden flag, the 1835 Gonzalez battle flag, the freaking Punisher skull.
These are symbols of militia-bound extremists.
Because there's all these different tiers under DVEs.
And the issue now is that there are a lot of anti-American elements in the government, in the DOJ, that don't like this country's history and view the fact that they view the Betsy Ross flag as a symbol of extremism, you might as well have British redcoats, I mean figuratively, in the government telling you Hey, we're here to weed out the terrorists.
No, no, no, the patriots back in the revolution flew the American flag and they said that's a terror symbol.
I mean, I know you play poker, but it's like they are, they've put so much in there.
They have everything on the line.
And here's what's really wild too, because I found this out from a guy who was a whistleblower to me, or, you know, we shared this with Congress.
This is how insane it got.
They are so desperate to find domestic violent extremists, which is the new push.
Like I said, there's ITOS and there's a thing called DTOS.
That's the domestic terrorism side of it.
DTOS was on the hook.
They have gone so far and above in 2022, and they booked so many hours.
FBI agents actually bill their hours against a type of case, not case specific, but a style of case, specifically like domestic terrorism, which are 266 designations.
The international ones are 415s.
So the 266s were so heavy in hours when it came down to the number of people working it that they were looking at losing the money from Congress for ITOS because they hadn't billed enough for 15 hours.
And it was 300 plus million dollars they were not going to get if they couldn't figure out how to take some of these domestic terrorists and also cross link them to things.
So they were going through chats online to say, you know, Ian, he's a domestic bond extremist.
He's got a real problem.
Has he ever talked to a guy in the same chat room that an ISIS guy was in, like, at some point in time?
Can we link him to ISIS anyway?
Can we find out if he has some friends that were in Al-Shabaab, even if it's, like, you know, multiple jumps?
Because they needed to cross-link it so they could cross-build these things and get the money.
Where we know there were, I think a Canadian and a French guy were active there.
And you also have several instances where Antifa were in direct communication with their European counterparts in Eastern Europe, committing acts of violence against government targets.
I mean, these people have not been... Not even ranked.
So I got TDY'd to Portland, temporary duty assignment.
So we were out there for a couple of weeks.
I got to spend time, what they would call either undercover, they would call it covert surveillance.
That's actually the wrong word.
It's low visibility.
So it's nominally backstopped, which means if you were to go like, hey, I didn't run around with a fake ID on me.
I could.
There are ways to do that, but I just didn't do that.
They have a thing called AFID.
Many people don't know.
It's the Alternative Federal ID Program.
So I could get my real picture and a real Virginia driver's license with a fake name on it.
- Nice. - And credit card and so on.
So you can do that kind of thing.
Like the federal government actually does has that program, but I wasn't using that.
I was just sitting there.
I was Kyle Serafin, but I just didn't tell you who I was.
And I'm driving in a Tacoma truck that I rented from Enterprise and I'm hanging out and I'm just watching guys from Antifa, women from Antifa too, a lot of them.
There's a lot of women running things.
And we had live feed from all the streamers coming into the command post.
We had real-time intelligence from all the different groups.
DHS was there, the local PD was there, Portland Police Bureau had representatives, FBI, so on and so forth, different DHS, Border Patrol, if they had their people, because they had, you know, defensive force around the courthouse.
And we're watching the coordination in real time.
They had FRS radios.
You know what those are?
They're just like if you were to go to Walmart and buy yourself like some Cobra radios or like some Midland radios or something.
So FRS, it's not encrypted, it's in the open.
And they were talking and coordinating, sending security elements to check in on supposed feds, some of whom were actual feds, including like my buddies.
And they were running off federal surveillance agents who were simply monitoring what was going on in case things got violent.
And the subjects that we had investigations into, I saw zero prosecutions of them.
We had recorded that they actually called out my license plate.
They sent a security element to my vehicle, sent six people and surrounded my vehicle to intimidate me, which is by the way, not that intimidating.
I had a big beard.
I'm sitting there in a hoodie with body armor on.
I've got a rifle by my knee and my handgun right here.
And I've got six people walking around.
They ended up outing themselves because they're also not very bright.
Um, but they were, they were sitting there and they're like, you look like a fed.
Like, what are you doing?
I'm like, I'm eating beef jerky.
What are you doing?
It looks cold out there.
Why are you wearing fishnets?
You know, like I'm just, I'm kind of like hassling him because some chick comes up.
They're all wearing a thing that says juice with like the black power fist on it.
So they're wearing this on a... But just to clarify, it is used as a symbol of black power.
But what people need to understand is the fist you see Antifa use, BLM use, it's originally called the red salute.
It's the communist salute, which is the exact same thing as the Roman salute in the inverse.
So, the Nazis, the fascists, would do the Roman salute, the Hitler salute.
The purpose of the red salute, holding your fist up, facing outward, is to show that the fingers together, while individually are weak, together make a fist.
That's the purpose.
It's a communist symbol of power.
And now, what's happened is, you have people, I've seen college students hold up the red salute, marching down the street, Not realizing what it means and what it comes from, and they don't care.
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Well, the historical ignorance is shocking right now about a lot of things.
So here's what happens, you see the Tiki Torch March in Charlottesville, and we're like, this is awful, these are bad, and they're screaming and yelling.
A lot of dumb young people who have... My understanding is that for most of these guys who went there, they weren't told exactly what was gonna happen, but they don't care.
Right, so these guys who probably surround you are just useful idiot types.
They march along with whoever they're told to do.
Someone says, hey guys, let's go surround this vehicle.
They're very clueless to a certain degree, but they have training.
So, as you move up the tiers, you actually have NGOs, you have funding for training these groups in how to do everything they do, and they have multiple legal apparatus... How do I say this?
So this is a guy who's like, I'm just a legal observer there, with a group of people, sharing the ideology as they firebomb government property and things like this, and then they try and pretend I'm just a lawyer.
It's like...
You maybe have an argument if you said you were a journalist, okay?
Meanwhile, the guy who claims to have orchestrated it.
But, uh, you- this is funny.
I remember, um...
I'm in Boston, and you have left and right.
You had people on the quote-unquote conservative side, and they have no weapons.
They have shields.
On the antifascist side, weapons, crowbars, baseball bats.
On the antifascist side, they had two organizations, including as legal observers, the National Lawyers Guild, and I think it might have been the ACLU, I'm not sure.
It may have been a local chapter.
And I asked the NLG, and I'm like, your mission is to observe the police for protesters.
How come you're only over here?
And they're like, what do you mean?
I was like, well, there's protesters over there, too.
Like, how come you guys aren't observing them?
And they were like, I don't understand what you mean.
So here's the thing that I saw, and this is one of those things you'll never be able to unsee.
I watched this lady.
She was very notable because every single red-blooded male that was on my team, which was almost all my team, recognized this lady.
She was walking around brawless.
She was large-breasted.
And she was, you know, bouncing around.
And so, like, you could see that in your mirror.
Like, when you work in a car for a living and all you do is watch people, like, someone walking with no bra that's, like, a double D that's cruising around, like, a hundred yards behind your car, you'll be like, what?
The assumption I would make, based on the arrests that have taken place, the prosecutions, as well as the lack of enforcement against certain obvious crimes and extremists, the assumption I would make is that Antifa-aligned individuals have reached high positions in the FBI and now are in a great deal of control.
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Or the FBI sees it as an opportunity to allow for domestic unrest so that they can get more funding and militarize.
Yes, but to stop there, my point is, if they are enforcing against the right to a psychotic and extreme degree, along with other elements of, you know, like federal prosecutors, it does not appear to be simply, we need domestic terror to justify funding.
It is explicitly We're gonna ignore the terrorists over there and target our political enemies.
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Do you think it's because it's, like, too much of a challenge to go after Antifa?
Like, sometimes organized crime, they just won't go after it because it's too entrenched.
So I think it's a bigger problem than FBI agents or FBI managers are sympathetic.
I think that as a general rule, government employees are sympathetic to things on the political left.
That's just the way that it works.
If you work for the government and you believe in what you do, then you believe that we need more taxes, we need to be able to fund my job.
There's a lot of non-essential government workers.
We saw that in 2020.
They didn't go to work.
The traffic in D.C.
was fantastic.
I could drive anywhere I wanted, and nothing changed for any American citizen.
Nobody saw a fundamental difference in the way that they experienced the United States.
So that's big.
But if you'll give me one second to kind of get wider with this, the idea that That these people are sympathetic to it.
It's dangerous because we're hiring more and more people that have a more and more college background.
They are educated, but they are not common sense intelligence.
The way the FBI has worked, everyone thinks that agents are running the FBI.
Since I got in, and it goes way before then, probably a decade before I got there, the Agents Association, which is the group of, like, you just pay your dues and they'll give you, like, legal help, which didn't help me at all.
But this group has been basically saying we want to move the FBI agent role back to the supreme role inside the agency.
We want to make that the primary role of the FBI.
And it is not.
The people that are running the FBI are intelligence people.
Intelligence people have two things that are really scary.
Number one, they think they're entitled to information.
That's yours.
And they don't need a warrant, and they don't think that way because it's national security.
And they don't need a warrant, by the way, to get stuff like that.
So warrantless searching is a thing under things like FISA 702 and national security letters and so on.
The second thing is, is they spend a lot of time in university.
They get people that have not just bachelors, but master's degrees and PhDs, advanced training inside the university system, which is ideologically captured.
And so when you have people that are ideologically captured to the political left, Antifa may be extreme for them, but it's not outside of the wheelhouse for them to support what they're about.
So they're not going to do it overtly, ever, as Garrett just said.
Well, uh, I wanna be- I wanna be careful because let me- let me explain to everybody what we're talking about.
We have had security instances 15 times, and I'm saying that vaguely because everybody assumes swatting means cops kick our door in and raid the house.
Swatting is when someone calls the police, or the feds, or law enforcement, Falsely claims a crime is occurring to cause a police response.
It does not mean a SWAT team kicks your door down.
So after the second or third time, the first time they come, they come in the building.
I got mad and said, you have no right to come in here.
And they said, they called it exigent circumstances.
And the fact that we're doing a live broadcast at the time, it's like, get out of here.
But I said, I can respect that you guys responded as quickly as you did.
We appreciate the security.
At this point, we have all the employees, the show is live right now, there's no reason for you to come in, and you should have asked, blah blah blah.
And also, it is my legal obligation to inform the police they are not welcome onto my property without a warrant.
What ends up happening is, the next several times, it is not the police coming into the building.
However, we received a credible bomb threat.
And I can't explain how it came to be, but we end up getting three for three hours.
We're all outside waiting and the cameras are just live on the empty room with 50,000 people watching an empty room.
They come in there with dogs and they sweep the place.
In total, we had 15 instances of death threats, which resulted in a police response.
Some of them were the bomb squad.
Some of them were men with rifles coming to a private property that I own elsewhere that no one has access to, no one knows the address of.
So there's certain techniques that people engage in to obfuscate properties that belong to them so that you can't search the records for them.
And somehow, and I think, we think we know how, one of these properties got swatted.
We gave the information to, my understanding is it went to the FBI.
It went to the Postal Investigative Service because packages were sent.
And it went to local sheriff's departments and police departments.
Multiple agencies.
No resolution.
Nothing.
And when our security team... This is my shocked face, by the way.
When our security team reached out and asked, like, how is it that you can have 16 guys with rifles?
I think it was, I don't know if it was, I think it was like 16 guys showed up to one property with rifles, going across the property, sweeping through the windows and everything.
Lights were all off, literally no one's there.
And they were like, how have we not gotten any information?
We've provided information.
We, in fact, think we have strong evidence as to who did it.
Never was anything done.
In another instance, we have direct evidence and admission of guilt of a felony committed against one of our associates.
Admission of guilt, public justification of why the felony was committed, And I'm trying to be very vague here, but theft of intellectual property, identity theft, felony activity on the record, tracked digitally with a public admission.
And they said, not interested.
And I'm just like, well, how is this the case?
That we can actually have someone gloat over their ideology and why they committed a felony against one of our associates, provably, They've gone towards intelligence.
Yeah, first though, I'm gonna... So my faith is a huge part of what has kind of led me down this road as well.
And Isaiah 10 1 says woe to those who enact evil statutes and to those who constantly record unjust decisions.
And I think we're in a very similar era where our government, our law enforcement, That's an unjust decision and an evil statute that if they decide not to enforce something that you have all that type of proof of, that's wickedness and evil.
And that is something everyone should be waving the red flag about and saying, this needs to end, this needs to be fixed now.
It's supposed to be We're all supposed to be equally protected under our laws.
It's clear we are not.
Just the other day Merrick Garland is testifying and basically screaming about how we do not have a two-tiered system and we are not out to target any specific sector of society.
So they investigated some ladies who were Catholic that were praying outside of the abortion clinic, went down and sent two agents to go interview them, their entire purpose for being there.
They owned an ultrasound, mobile ultrasound unit, which is expensive, and they would try to talk women who were coming in to get an abortion to have an ultrasound for free, And see their baby and not kill the baby.
That's what they were there for.
That was the only reason that they were there.
And they were investigated.
And there was another guy who was a little bit unhinged.
And his thing was he would walk around with this costume of babies that were like dolls.
And they were spray-painted red.
And they were hanging around his neck from like fake umbilical cords.
Which is a little bit outlandish.
But he walked around on the sidewalk and there was no allegation of violence.
And that's what they came down and investigated.
Because that was the number three threat.
There have been church bombings in New Mexico that have never been solved.
That way it makes it impossible for, it makes it inevitable there is reasonable doubt in a court of law.
So what happens is, for a lot of these criminal proceedings, The lawyers, they love this.
They say, how do you know it is my client that threw the brick?
And I say, I clearly saw him.
What was he wearing?
He was wearing a black hoodie, black jeans, and he had a black mask on.
I'm like, how many other people were wearing black hoodies, black jeans, and black masks?
200, 300?
So is it possible you singled out the wrong individual for arrest?
No, I saw him do it and I grabbed an arrest on him.
You're absolutely certain with all those people there.
And then they go to, they look at the jury and say, do you believe that?
And the jury's like, yeah, it's possible he grabbed the wrong guy.
Now, the cop is gonna be like, he threw it, and I immediately grabbed him.
But reasonable doubt exists for the jury when they're gonna say, I don't know, if I saw a crowd of 300 people all wearing the exact same thing, and that's all the defense has to do, and this is how they get them.
Then we walked in, and I knew where the laser pointer was.
It was on his right sleeve.
Then we followed him, and he went into a falafel place.
I think he was a little bit drunk, too, because he'd been out there all day partying and being an asshole.
So we go, we follow him into the falafel place, and when he comes back out, he tries to get away from my buddy, who is a Secret Service agent, and then me.
And then we go, and we frisk him, and sure enough, there it is.
That is how you lock somebody down into the story, because it's like, not only could I not have missed, he had a device that was used.
If you found the person with the brick, I saw two bricks, he threw one, the other one was in his left hand, I grabbed him, he had the left hand, then you get him.
When it comes to laser pointers, I'm not going to explain how, but there is a technique activists are trained on to make it so that you can't see where the laser's emitted from.
And it's not complicated, but- I saw it happen.
No, I know, it's like, there's two points where you can see a laser pointer, emission and contact.
Unless there's a tree.
Right, or if there's fog, or if it's- Or tear gas.
Yep, then the refraction of the- A mirror.
No, no.
In order to track where it comes from, you need something in the atmosphere that will refract the light, causing the beam to become visible.
But these activists are trained on a very simple technique on how to make it so that you can't look at a person when they're... I don't want to say too much, but they're given training on how to obfuscate this stuff.
When it came to J-20, 2017, The police could not identify who were smashing the windows, who were setting the fires, because they're all dressed the same.
And so what happens is in this big cluster, someone will stand in the middle and do something, and there's literally no way.
So what the police end up doing is, we call it kettling, I don't know what you guys call it, they pull out a net.
They create a barricade.
I don't know if they did in that.
They surround the street with police.
I tried getting out of the way.
I'm there filming.
I'm a journalist.
I have press credentials and everything.
And so as everyone's running through the street, I move left to a side of a building and I try to let them pass me by.
All the rioters swarm around me, and I'm like, ah, son of a... And then the police form a barricade.
I end up getting arrested.
People on the right and the left have this hard-on for saying I never got arrested for some insane reason.
I was informed no less than three times by the police that were there, including supervisor, that I'd been placed under arrest and I was not free to leave.
I was not detained.
I was arrested.
I was not processed.
And a local reporter called their boss.
They said, we're going to put in a word to the police department and get you out of this arrest.
I asked for a supervisor.
The cops all surrounding us, stone-faced, saying nothing.
And I said, I'm a journalist.
Here's my press credentials.
Can I speak with a supervisor?
And then one cop goes like that.
And there's a guy.
I say, excuse me, sir.
And he walks over.
His name was Lieutenant Washington.
And I said, just want to let you know I'm a journalist.
I'm like, look, if I get arrested, I get arrested, but it is my obligation to make sure they're aware, and then they can do whatever they want after the fact, because when it comes to court, I'm going to say, I did inform the officer as a journalist.
Here's my protest credential.
He pulls me out.
But my point is ultimately this.
Well, I'll add this too.
Some of the lefty journalists who are clearly antifa and far left aligned were screaming to the point of spitting in the face of these officers, how dare you arrest me, I'm a journalist.
And now you ain't getting out.
And so these journalists were saying things like, how did Tim Pool get released from the arrest or whatever.
Did you ever see Jon Stewart do his routine about the, he did a whole bit about the Vietnam press journalist who's screaming, mother effer, I'm professional.
There was a few people who pleaded guilty and their lawyer said, you're making a mistake.
Don't do this.
You're going to win.
95% of the individuals, there was like 217, had the charges dropped despite the fact they'd engaged in a criminal conspiracy to destroy and riot and wanted to disrupt the inauguration of Donald Trump.
So, you have people who coordinated a tactic to obfuscate their identities to cause destruction, damage, in what I would describe as a very pathetic insurrection.
FBI or whoever will see some posts or something you did online, or maybe even on Xbox live or whatever.
And they'll hear you talking and let's say, ah, there's my mark.
And then they'll comment.
They'll try to build up a friendship with you online and Eventually they will bump you more and more and more to try to coerce you into doing something more.
And, uh, usually if they agree with, if someone online agrees with every idea you have, especially your worst and stupidest violent ones.
So it's like, they agree with your, your, your worst ideas.
They encourage them, they're willing to help you enact that stupid idea, and they're willing to do it for the exact amount of money that you happen to have.
I use this absurd example all the time.
Let's say that Ian decided he's breaking bad, he's filling the ammo can, and he's gonna go do some real violence and he's like, What we need to do is take down the government.
They've been infringing our freedom.
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They're going to make us do, you know, some kind of COVID tyranny.
And I believe Mike Cernovich has pointed this out as well.
And I pointed out as well, when we're having such tremendous victories like Bud Light losing $30 billion, Target losing billions of dollars, Liberty Safe, Disney, Netflix.
I mean, Liberty Safe in panic over what they did.
And then you have the successes of Sound of Freedom, the successes of Richmond, North of Richmond.
These are massive cultural victories which will change the shape of this political conflict because politics is downstream from culture.
Then you get someone coming in our Super Chat saying something stupid About 1776.
It's time.
We have to go do this.
And I'm like, I'm like, that's a fad.
Like the key to victory right now.
I can't tell you what happens after 2024.
I don't know.
But right now, the polls are showing Trump winning.
Is the reason for human civilization that when humans that were nomadic figured out how to create beer, they had to stop traveling around to create it.
He does this thing about when, uh, Yeah, so he's from Austin.
I live in Austin.
I love Mitch.
Of course, he's passed away, but one of the funny, great things he says is when someone mishears you and you order scrambled eggs, or you order a chicken breast or something, he's like, I want a chicken sandwich.
And then he's like, yeah, how do you want your eggs?
And he's like, oh, I want them laid, and then fertilized, and then cracked, and then scrambled.
- Or whatever he says, like a raised in fur. - Raised. - Yeah, and then like hatched, and then like moved on, he goes through the whole process, he goes, "Screw it, scrambled." You know, like I'll just take it how it is.
It's like those people had to make that decision when the grain was planted.
It's like, "Oh shit, I guess we're gonna be here for a season." - But my point with all of that is- - It makes sense. - I don't understand why people are like, I can't just, we're not losing.
Disney lost a billion dollars on their last 10 releases or whatever, Netflix was bleeding out subscribers.
You're seeing Blackrock trying to say, no, no, no, we're not doing ESG, we're not doing ESG, because investors- They changed the name.
Of course, of course.
They still want to do it, but I'm saying they're scared.
Of what's being said.
You look at the victories in terms of parental rights and education bills.
We didn't have to do anything to gain those rights other than vote, file the paperwork, buy a different beer.
Just by living and being successful and the conservatives who had more kids than liberals, we are entering a place where all of these victories are happening.
It did not used to be the case up until like 2008 that you could, DC versus Heller, where you actually had the modern version of gun rights.
You could carry a weapon wherever you want.
And then you actually had the more recent Supreme Court ruling that, Victory, victory, victory, victory.
It's all procedural.
Donald Trump gets elected.
Three Supreme Court justices sitting back, succeeding, having a family, protecting your family, speaking out for what you believe in, is leading to victories across the board.
And then you get people coming out arguing for violence, and I'm like, you're a leftist.
So, the history of the FBI says, in 1896, the National Bureau of Criminal Identification was founded, providing agencies across the country with information to identify known criminals.
The 1901 assassination of President William McKinley created a perception that the United States was under threat from anarchists.
The DOJ and Labor had been keeping records on anarchists for years, but Theodore Roosevelt wanted more power to do so.
Well, so what it says is on May 27, 1908, Congress forbade this use of Treasury employees, the Secret Service, by the Justice Department, citing fears that the new agency would serve as a secret police department.
Again, at Roosevelt's urging, Bonaparte moved to organize a formal Bureau of Investigation, which would then have its own staff of special agents.
So how are you...
You're saying that they've been around for a lot longer than that.
In 2020, under the COVID hysteria, my field office, which was the second biggest field office in the country, I think, I think Washington Field is the second biggest.
It's New York, and then it's either L.A.
or D.C.
One of the two, top three, doesn't matter.
They told everybody in the biggest thing that if you listen to Attorney General Garland yesterday, is it yesterday that he was talking or is it the day before?
So Wednesday, when he was talking, he said the most important things the FBI does are all national security related.
That's what he said.
His words, not mine.
I don't care.
They shut down national security in Washington, D.C.
They had the national security agents, of which there were probably a couple hundred, working on all the threats in the national capital region, which you would think would be a big deal.
All the spies, all the traitors, all the terrorists trying to do bad things.
They had them show up for 30 minutes a day, two times a week.
They took a 50-hour-a-week job.
They made it one hour a week.
And did you see anything crazy happen in 2020?
Nobody did.
Nobody popped off.
The Chinese still stole our technology.
They do that anyway.
They do it all day.
We didn't see some massive surge of the Klan coming over and taking over anything.
We just watched what happened when you take them down from doing their job to doing no job for one hour a week.
If you work, like the things that touch you for government are your local government.
If the police stopped enforcing speed laws around you, people would do weird stuff.
If they stopped investigating burglaries, people would get burgled.
If you stopped investigating any of the things that are close by to you, either your police department or your sheriff's deputies, if they weren't doing their job, you would freaking notice.
You can see it in places like Baltimore, you saw it in Ferguson.
I know you guys have some experience with seeing that stuff.
When that happens, it gets rowdy.
When you take away the feds, they still don't investigate your million dollar fraud, and you still won't notice it.
It doesn't matter.
So what you could do is you could take that $11 billion, that nine to $11 billion a year that we spent on the FBI, and what if you put that into a program where we cross-deputized senior state police officers who have a lot of time on the job and have been doing things well, and you said, not only do you have state authorities, which means they're gonna be accountable to an attorney general that's elected in their state, that's good, You say not only that, but what if we just said you're cross-deputized under Title 21 and Title 18 to pursue federal crimes as well?
So now your state police have the ability to bring a case to the Justice Department and say, hey, we're going to prosecute this federally, this is a federal crime, it crosses state lines, and I'm deputized to do so.
But let's say it doesn't cross state lines.
Now they have the state authority.
And if that person sucks, they have to theoretically answer to their attorney general, who actually is elected.
So you would have 50 independent laboratories of good ideas instead of one centrally run one out of D.C.
with Chris Wray, who's a guy who was making $9.2 million the year before he started working as the FBI director.
Right, so $10,000 per flight is what I've been told the estimate is between wear and tear on the aircraft, the cost of operating the crew, the crew rest that they get from the flight, and the fact that we pay $2,500 in fuel and everything else.
$2,500 just to touch down on the runway.
People can actually check it out.
All aircraft have a tail number, and his is N708JH.
November 708JH.
That is our jet that the FBI flies for Chris Wray.
It was bought under $60 million with the counterterrorism resources.
It is supposed to be used for the counterterrorism investigation teams that go around and pick up, like, let's say a big shooting happens.
Let's say Las Vegas happens.
You're supposed to fly an evidence team in that jet out there to do it.
But they have to wait until Chris Wray is done using it, because he uses it to fly home to Atlanta, where his family lives, and he lives, he's a Geo Bachelor, five, six days out of the week, because he didn't even commit, after appointed for 10 years, he didn't even commit to living in D.C.
with his family.
His wife still lives outside of Atlanta.
So if you go look at the FlightAware, which people can do publicly, it's like a free resource, you could pull up where that jet goes, and here's what it does.
On a Friday afternoon, it flies from Manassas to Reagan Airport, it lands, He gets on it, it flies him to Fulton County, down outside of Atlanta.
He gets off it, it flies back to Atlanta, it sits there for the weekend.
Then it flies back on Monday morning and picks him up, or Sunday night.
Then it flies him back to DCA, drops him off because it's closer to the office.
Then it flies back to Manassas, where it lives.
So we now have six flights for a man to basically just fly... Home?
Home.
And do you know what he pays for that?
Because that's private travel, that's personal travel.
Because he finds whatever the cheapest one-way flight is, or the cheapest round-trip on Spirit Airlines, and that's what he's responsible for paying out of his pocket.
So he pays the commercial equivalent to the region.
It could be a Spirit Airlines flight from Baltimore to, like, near Atlanta.
On top of that, he's got all sorts of strap hangers who go with him everywhere.
He's got his own security detail.
And if you're going for multiple days, you're taking multiple shifts because those guys aren't working 24 hours a day.
But there has to be a security detail awake on him and his house or wherever he is, his hotel, wherever he is in the world.
Uh, 24 hours a day.
You got the flight crew who now they're in Atlanta over the weekend.
All these people are getting paid overtime for working the weekend or, you know, weekend differential pay and night shift pay and all sorts of, you know, bonus pay for... They bring in the local SWAT teams because those guys exhaust all the hours where they can... At some point in time, if you're a federal agent, you actually make, you do enough overtime and there's only the people that are basically on protective details get it.
But if you work enough overtime hours, you eventually start working for free because there's a cap.
At 174,000 and change or 176,000 changes year to year, like a little bit.
But once you hit that amount of numbers, you can't make any more money.
So when you're working overtime, they're actually not paying you the overtime rate.
You're just doing it for free.
And so at some point in time, those guys don't want to work for free.
So they bring in local SWAT teams, which Garrett was on the SWAT team in Kansas City, and they'll bring in the SWAT team who gets overtime pay so they could spread the love around so that everybody gets paid overtime.
Basically just sitting in a van, like hanging out, waiting for the FBI director to wake up.
And so those are the two favorite things that, like, anybody who's worked in government knows those are true.
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There's a concern that if we were to disband the FBI, if we were to shut it all down, that a lot of people would get fired and that they would go form their own paramilitary corps.
That sounds awesome.
That's what, like, the Ba'ath Party did in Iraq when we went in and just eradicated Saddam's government.
They said, you can't work in the government anymore, you're out.
Overwhelmingly, people that carry a gun for a living, of all ilk, whether they be in law enforcement or military, they tend to be relatively libertarian-minded conservatives who don't want to get into your business.
I would say that's been my experience.
I was in the military, I've been in law enforcement in two different areas, and I was a paramedic before that and I rolled around with law enforcement a lot.
They don't want to mess with you.
So having a bunch of armed people that care about your liberty sounds like not a problem to me.
That's just me.
They're not going to go out there.
Now, the reason the FBI is slanted the way it is, is because agents only make up about just under 14,000.
- But there's yeah, 36, 37,000, something like that, whatever it is.
It's under 40,000, but it's over 35,000.
So even though agents, the majority of agents are relatively conservative minded.
Libertarian is probably a better, they just are apolitical about a lot of stuff.
They don't wanna get involved.
Even though they make up the majority of the people that carry the guns, they are the minority of the agency.
And that's the case everywhere.
When you have the majority of people that are interested in government and they work for the government, they're gonna grow government.
And they're the ones that are driving the train.
Big time.
It's scary stuff for people that have any interest in it, because you look and you go, this doesn't make sense.
People go, well, FBI agents are conservative, so what?
They're not the ones telling people what to do.
And then ordinary men- But they're just doing it.
Ordinary men, they do what they're told.
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Yeah, Vivek said that when he's going to shut down the FBI, that it's going to basically terminate the positions of a lot of the bureaucrats, and that the agents themselves will be moved to the Rangers- His numbers are a little off, but his ideas are good.
If you take the bureaucrats out of the equation, the bureaucrats are the tyrants in this scenario.
And they think they have power.
And they use the power that they currently have and they try to grow that power.
If you take their positions away and you disintegrate them into moon dust, they don't have any power left.
And they're not gun-toters.
They're sitting in headquarters thinking they're solving all the world's problems, when in fact they're making things worse for normal Americans, by and large.
Any power that your enemy thinks you have, you have.
And so they use it.
But the minute that they don't have it, they don't have it.
The minute that people go like, no, imagine if 2,000 or 3,000 FBI agents who are out there who are doing this stuff and are disgusted, because there's a lot of them.
We literally had this conversation this morning before we got to the studio.
I'm talking to my buddy Steve Friend, and he goes, dude, if I was still working for the FBI right now, and I saw a Kyle Serafin, a Gerardo Boyle, a Steve Friend out there talking about all the things that we talk about over a beer, about how jacked up the FBI is, and they're out there saying it publicly, and they got canceled for it, and they literally got canceled because they said they weren't going to do something that was wrong.
He's like, I'd want to eat my gun.
He's like, I would want to commit suicide.
I would be like, I am doing something shameful and dishonorable.
I'm not encouraging anybody to go do that, obviously.
I don't think that's the right answer, but it's like, how jacked up is it that you're looking around, people go, how come nobody's out there supporting what you guys are saying?
My actual boss when I told him that I was not going to do a nasal swab for any reason for every 72 hours because I didn't have the disease and I have thousands and thousands of clinical hours training on disease process.
I've worked in hospitals and I've worked on ambulances and I've done probably hundreds if not thousands of nasal swabs for the flu and nobody knows what happens when you put ethylene oxide up your nose like into a mucosal membrane every 72 hours.
That's crazy.
Like they never tested that.
Nobody knows.
It's a carcinogen.
So if you tested for COVID, I hope everyone's okay.
But I wasn't going to do it under any circumstances.
I tell my boss, and he goes, on principle, I agree with you.
But I've got mortgage, I've got an alimony because I have an ex-wife, and I just can't stand between it.
So I lost my paycheck for two months over this because it was important enough for me to do it.
And I just look at the... I got little kids, man.
I've got a baby right now who's like 25 days old.
And I've got three other kids, and what am I gonna tell them when we look into a country full of tyranny?
Am I gonna go, look, at least your dad had a roof over your head during this time.
And now, obviously, he's doing OMG, O'Keefe Media Group, and Veritas is gone.
But the idea is, he put this tweet out saying that if, essentially, I'm gonna paraphrase him, because I don't remember the exact words, but he was like, if you're participating in this, You are responsible for the future your children receive.
Well, the funny thing is about the 2020 election, a lot of the things that people are pointing out in 2020 are used by the US as a metric of a bad election in a foreign country.
I was in Iraq in 2008 and 2009 and we were there at an election time and I think it was the first time women got to vote and, or if it wasn't the first, it was one of the first, and for like the, I don't know, 48 hours or so heading into the election, It was like every platoon, like you're going to just be awake and you're going to be out patrolling to ensure that we can have as safe of an election as possible.
Well, there's an incentive for nation-builders to have a real election in the nation that they're trying to build, but in the United States, where you're trying to seize and maintain power is a different question.
Yeah, once you have the power, it's something different.
Garrett and I were doing this riff, I was driving yesterday, or the day before, and we were talking on the phone, and we were talking about, people go, it couldn't happen in America.
That's why people think it is.
I would call it the myth of American exceptionalism, that we're such a special type of people that we would never have.
A tyrannical overtaking and that people would not obey the tyrannical orders and they would do the right thing.
When push comes to shove, even though I went and I told people they had to have masks and even though I locked down churches because I'm a cop and I did the wrong thing, I would never put a baby in the wood chipper.
Do you think you can afford something like a dollar a day for a pair of socks?
I think so.
Yes, yes, yes.
You've been saying yes all over the time, and then suddenly you get to the point where you're saying, yes, I'm tossing the baby in the wood chipper, or yes, you're shooting a toddler in the back of the head because they're so slow getting on the boxcar.
I mean, there's a digital struggle session that happens in pretty much any of the echo chambers.
If you walk into, and I know you do, and I do it as well, you walk into the space where people are not agreeing with you and you just, like, I'll get the, what do they call them?
I think it's fair to say that I'm looking at the battle maps and I'm like, oh, Russia seized the entire land bridge into Crimea and they're pushing into Odessa.
Tell me again how every report they put out about the success of the Ukrainian counteroffensive.
I don't even believe, I don't even believe at this point, look we get a year and a half where they keep saying Russia routed, Russia losing troops, Russian defectors, Russian troops begging on camera and then it's like a year later Russia has the Donbass and the land bridge to Crimea and I'm like wait so they won?
I think the control of that eastern Donbass basically provides 20-30% enhancement of their GDP.
Their gross domestic product's going to go off the charts up because they have Black Sea and Mediterranean access for trade, whereas we lose very little for ceding that up.
It'd be like if the entire west coast of the United States is stripped down, the west coast was owned by Canada all the way down.
We had no Pacific coast access.
We would have gone to war with Canada to take that access.
In fact, we almost took all of Mexico, but the president, I think it was Polk at the time, was like, I'm just going to arbitrarily give Mexico back.
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So I think with the amount to gain, the amount that Russia has to gain from Sevastopol and that Black Sea access is just that they'll throw everything, the amount that they'll throw at it relative to everybody else to stop a minor loss.
I mean, obviously I'm not speaking for the Ukrainian people, losing their territory is horrible, obviously.
Ukraine is getting conscripted and being thrown on the front is bad.
What I said is this.
I don't care.
We have other problems that I'm more interested in that are closer to my babies.
So I don't care.
And if I say that online to go to the struggle session piece, if I say online that I don't care what happens in Ukraine, it's like I don't have the bandwidth for that.
I always tell people that they're following these laser pointers of outrage, you know?
Like you ever take a cat and you Yes, we were talking about it last night.
- Talking plasma, it's military tech. - You're like, ah, and you attack the laser, right?
And so like, you'll see the cat attacks carpet, carpet, carpet, goes after your couch, whatever.
You're distracting the cat.
That's the American people with the outrage factory.
But where's the dot coming from?
It's coming from a hand that's way away, it's never gonna get struck.
So if people are constantly like, "Oh, Ukraine, I'm furious." Oh, like this is happening.
Oh, that's happening.
All the anger.
I'll just go in and say, I don't care.
And then you'll get this swarm of wild animals.
This is the struggle session that goes on online.
Well, they'll just like, they'll mob your, your feed.
They'll come into your timeline.
It's a digital struggle session, but they won't go on fighting.
But then I'll just, yeah, none of them are on the front.
Then I'll just turn off Twitter and go outside and hang out with my kids.
And I don't care if you could do that.
That's, that's the thing we were kind of getting towards.
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You think somebody or some group of people is holding the laser pointer of outrage, or do you think it's just an emergent phenomenon?
I'll have Garrett's thought on as well, but everybody uses the word deep state and I hate it.
I actually told Vivek that he can't use that word because it's a, it's a sexy word.
It's like an emotional word.
Deep state, the idea of it is people have these images of people handing dossiers in dark alleys, or they're hanging out at parking garages, like the deep throat idea.
And there's information exchange.
The deep state is actually the administrative state because administrative is the least sexy thing in the world.
It's like a guy sitting in 1980s carpet with shitty fluorescent lighting at a desk that's been there forever.
It's got a coffee stain from his predecessor who put a pot on it.
And he just hangs out there and he's doing administrative stuff.
It's a lot of people that have the similar interests.
And their interest is, can I make enough money?
Can I survive in the government long enough?
Am I going to outlast this president?
Which they will.
And can I grow my department enough that I can go and get a big job at like GE?
What are the industrial complexes?
Whether it be military industrial, or information industrial, or healthcare industrial complexes.
Can I build a system that I can walk into and make a bunch of money?
And so it's a bunch of people that have the same goals, but they're not coordinating.
There's not like a text stream of a bunch of people, like at the DOJ, like, how do we F over all the Trump supporters?
They just all hate the Trump supporters.
And so they all just do things that screw Trump supporters.
That's administrative state.
And so I don't think there's one hand holding any laser pointer.
It's not the X-Files.
Which would be really cool, by the way.
If there was a bunch of people that met in, like, trench coats and, like, smoked cigars in a room, there's probably some of those people somewhere doing something.
But it's not the things that are running our government.
At least not on the, like, they don't have their hand on the lever.
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I think it's much easier to combat an emergent phenomenon than a cabal, personally.
But I do think critical race theory is a phenomenon of social media platforms.
Because what happens is, with the rise of Facebook and the algorithms which promoted content, articles that talk about injustice do well.
Rage shares the most.
So when all these companies are experimenting with how to maximize traffic, what they ultimately discovered was, Police brutality makes a ton of money.
People hate watch police brutality videos and then share it like crazy because of a sense of injustice.
But if you add racism, sexism, homophobia, and all these things to the mix of police brutality, now you've got fruit punch.
Now it's getting 10 times, it's getting an exponential return.
The only thing they see on these platforms is constant streams of police brutality.
At one point, there was a website that did nothing but police brutality videos, and it was the 400th biggest website in the world, or somewhere around there, making millions of dollars.
This is what the algorithms had produced.
You get a generation of people who are raised believing that... This is why when you go to a... They have these Man on the Street videos.
A guy went to a Venice Beach skate park.
He said, how many black people, innocent black people do you think are killed by police every year?
There were like thousands, a few thousand.
And it was like nine.
And nine's bad.
Nine's bad.
But like a thousand.
It's because when you grow up, Imagine if when you were growing up, I mean for those of us that are older, those of us that are younger probably already get this because they experienced in their formative years social media.
I grew up with televisions and like UHF, VHF when I was a little kid.
Imagine if every single channel, every single day, every news broadcaster, every nightly news report was nothing but police are murdering innocent people.
In the 80s, everybody thought they were going to get kidnapped at any moment.
Because whole comedy routines about how, not if you're going to get kidnapped, but when you're kidnapped, what you're supposed to do, they would go out and fingerprint kids at parks and stuff.
Then you're gonna get written articles which fabricate stories.
Then you're gonna end up with, where we are today, with stories like Ahmaud Arbery, a guy who is a felony burglary suspect who fights with some locals over their shotgun and dies in the process.
Tragic event, but it turns into a lynch mob killed a man who was just jogging.
Yeah, they went out hunting him down like a bunch of guys.
Even the story, if people look back, there was a story in Gerald, Texas when I was a kid, early 90s.
And in Gerald, Texas, there was a guy that was dragged behind a truck.
I think his last name is Bird with a Y. That's my memory.
I'm riffing here.
But the story was that it was racially motivated.
It was this horrific hate crime of this guy that basically had gone out and dragged a dude behind his truck because he was black, which is absolutely a horrible thing to imagine.
And then when you get into the nuance of it, like so many times, like, there was some kind of a woman that was involved in it, they had some similar lady friends, there was some drug situation.
I think both the guys had shared a prison cell at one point in time.
There was all these connections between these two.
It was an utterly personal thing.
Like, dragging someone behind your truck is a personal thing to way to kill somebody.
It's pretty horrific.
And yet it had very little to do with race.
It had a lot to do with the personal animosity that this guy went out and he was like sending a message, and obviously he did.
And so many people got the wrong reaction from it.
And they all know things that are not true.
Same thing with Massey Shepard.
People know things, they know them in their heart, that are not true.
They do not substantiate with the facts of the case.
They wrote a fake article about me, which then got picked up by a bunch of other outlets like Variety and Deadline, and then quickly removed the lies they had put in it.
And so they created a feedback loop of a bunch of outlets all citing each other.
NBC basically seeds the story.
Deadline, Variety, et cetera, insert, tells the story, and then they back away from it, remove that reference, and now I've got all these articles referencing each other.
Deadline reports- That's a disinformation campaign.
Yeah, yep, yep.
And then when you reach out to the journalists and say, hey, what you report is not true, they'll be like, I didn't report it, it was reported by Variety.
And I'll be like, yes, but Variety is citing Deadline and Deadline's citing you!
And they'll be like, well, we're referencing someone else.
I had never spoken to Kash Patel until November of 22 after I've been suspended and so he had heard of my story Kyle put us in touch and he's like hey I have this foundation you're not you know the FBI suspended you they're stripping everything away you know I told him like yeah we just had a baby like we're He couldn't even put coats on his kids?
Yeah, because they held our belongings for six weeks too.
And he's like, well, I think my foundation could probably help you out if that would be okay with you.
So what they'll do is they'll say something like, let's say you quit your job.
In 2020, and you worked for the Cracker Factory.
And then in 2022, you get hired by a Graham Cracker Factory, and the founder pays you a huge bonus of $200,000 to start, and you're like, it's been two years, I had been traveling around the world, wasn't really thinking about crackers, I'm in the cracker field to get this job.
The media will report, CEO pays $200,000 to so-and-so who just quits their job to work for them or something like that.
They can make it seem like these two things that are totally separate from each other.
So actually, a really great example is the viral video of the guys digging the hole in the beach.
And I just, I absolutely despise how everyone falls for this.
Do you see this video?
No.
It's, uh, some guys are on a beach digging a hole and it says, here's the hole we dug on Saturday.
Then it jumps to a news report where they're like, a hole in the beach may have been an astrological impact.
And a guy saying, look at this rock that was found, it's scorched, it was in the hole.
And then everyone just shares it, like, ha ha ha, these guys dug a hole and the media then lied about it.
No, dude.
You got played.
Someone saw a news report of a hole in the beach, then went and dug a hole, and put their clip in front of it, to trick you into thinking the media got it wrong.
It's all the manipulation game.
Everyone just bought it, and I'm just like...
People want to believe what they want to believe, man.
Mike Rowe was so eloquent about talking about what the Let's Go Brandon phenomenon was, and people were always like, oh, it's just being mean to Joe Biden.
It's a way to hide profanity.
And what it really was was something where people recognized that they were being played.
Something was happening on live TV.
Some woman said something that was absurdly different.
It had nothing to do with what was happening around them.
Listen to them.
They're all chanting, Let's Go Brandon!
When they were chanting something that was not that.
It was F Joe Biden.
That's where the crowd is yelling, F Joe Biden.
And she's like, they're saying, let's go, Brandon.
And so she says that, and everybody puts that on the shirt, not because they're saying F Joe Biden, although some people obviously did.
What they did say was, the media is lying to us.
They actually lie to our faces when the proof is in front of us.
And so that was why it was so important.
And then of course it was more important because Joe Biden agreed with it.
So whenever I wrote that on my whiteboard at work, I just quoted the president on December 24th of 2021.
He said, I agree.
Let's go, Brandon.
So I also agree.
Let's go, Brandon.
But there's something sad about when it happens in real time and people eyeball it.
And then the media, then they play it again.
Everyone's being mean to Joe Biden.
It's like, no, you clowns came out and outed yourself and everybody saw it on national live TV.
And why did she feel like she had to lie about it?
I mean, it really does make you wonder when they seemingly lie for just absolute BS reasons, but they do.
I'm telling you, man, people need to understand that, you know, so we got a request recently from me, it happens periodically, like the New York Times wanted to talk to me about something, and I'm like, yeah, good, good, yeah, right.
Some things, I have no problem, so I got directly contacted by someone at Washington Post about something, and I gave them a quote, and I'm like, whatever, I don't care.
But, uh, on some issues, on a lot- on most issues, I- I won't engage with these people because they will lie 100% of the time.
They'll say, when asked for a comment, they began to lament that Donald Trump lost the election and said that what had happened to Trump was awful, seemingly in support of the rioters.
And you're like, what?
I was criticizing the riot!
No, they can just interpret it how they see fit, and then you can't sue them because they'll be like, well, that's how I understood it.
I was deposed in February by Republican and Democrat attorneys, and then I testified publicly in May.
In the interim, the Democrat side leaked little pieces of my testimony and editorialized themselves to the New York Times and some other places.
They love to say, oh, they just believe conspiracy theories about January 6th.
When I talked about January 6th, I talked about a lead that I received where then the FBI told me that they had facial recognition match for the guy they wanted me to investigate.
They used a driver's license photo that was 25 years old to get the facial recognition match.
So I don't care the type of case.
If it's an Antifa case, a January 6th case, a bank robbery, I don't care.
If you send me a photo from 25 years ago and say, you got a facial recognition match, that's a problem, a really big problem.
It forbids due process.
And so, I mean, you know, I obviously, I worked that case or that lead like harder than I've worked many other leads because I was like, I could smell the roses.
I'm like, something's not right about this.
And this was early, this was, you know, January 15th or something, January 20th of 2021.
And, um, And then they say, oh he just has conspiracy theories.
Because it's their inside unit that... Or, which is possible, that they were so overwhelmed by January 6th stuff, and they were.
Anybody who thinks the FBI quote-unquote planned January 6th, I'm not saying that there wasn't a plan for people in places, but the FBI certainly didn't quarterback it out of Washington Field.
If it was done, it had to have been out of headquarters.
It's more likely that there were a lot of co-aligned interests from different federal agencies that are all trying to dump terrorism cases.
I think, and more likely it came out of a DHS who has a very different, they don't have the rules.
Well here's how we know that was a really scary thing.
In Washington DC, anybody who's ever worked in DC in law enforcement knows there's a thing called an NSSE, the National Special Security Events.
Those are run by DHS by statute and by policy and the Secret Service runs it.
So they set up a command post.
It looks like this.
There's a bunch of different screens.
There's a bunch of people from every different agency.
DC Metro PD is there, ATF, FBI, DEA.
Department of Energy has people that goes around and looks for nuclear bombs and stuff like that.
And they do this all the time.
They do it for January... Sorry, July 4th celebrations, for big parades, for major events.
They will declare it NSSE.
It happens every year for the State of the Union, when the President does a big motorcade over to Congress.
So these are known protests, known public events, where they set up a security perimeter and everybody gets involved.
And the locals love it, because the Fed will pay their overtime.
So it's actually a good deal for them.
They love that.
And the Fed doesn't care, because they just print more money and do whatever they want.
So that's NSSEs.
They happen regularly.
They happen for every presidential inauguration.
And when you were there on January 20th, that was an NSSE.
And everybody's involved.
There's undercovers in the crowd, like I was.
And all they're trying to do is make sure that First Amendment protections are allowed, and that people that try to disrupt it get stopped, and that park police is flying the helicopter.
Everyone's doing their thing.
That didn't get declared for January 6th.
Why?
They had a minimal presence.
They didn't have DC Metro, Riot Police on standby.
Think about how many protests happen in DC on an annual basis.
