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Oct. 13, 2023 - The Culture War - Tim Pool
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The Culture War #33 - Global Day Of Jihad, AI Warfare w/Ann Coulter & Dinesh D'Souza

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tim pool
So today is the announced Global Day of Jihad.
Police are mobilizing across the country to keep an eye on things.
There's planned protests.
I think it may devolve into riots.
I hope nothing more serious happens, but a lot of people are particularly worried.
Not only that, it is Friday the 13th.
So, I don't know, it's ominous.
And then tomorrow is the Ring of Fire eclipse.
Everyone's kind of wondering if like, you know, I don't know all these signs, but I don't know.
It depends on who you are.
Maybe the signs don't mean anything.
It's all one big coincidence.
But we're going to talk about a lot having to do with the Global Day of Jihad.
Obviously, the conflict that's happening in Israel and Palestine, as well as what's going on with Donald Trump and the GOP contenders.
We got a bunch of really awesome people.
We're hanging out with Ann Coulter and Dinesh D'Souza.
How's it going?
unidentified
Great.
ann coulter
Good to be here.
tim pool
Yeah.
Thanks for coming.
ann coulter
Thank you for having me again.
tim pool
Do you want to briefly introduce yourself?
I think everybody knows who you are, but.
ann coulter
Ann Coulter, author of 13 New York Times bestsellers.
Am I supposed to look at that camera?
You don't have to look at it.
This is my second time in the Tim Pool Studio.
The last time, we couldn't figure out when it was.
I guess it was back in March.
I wrote in Trump We Trust.
I supported Trump from two weeks after he announced, mostly on the issue of immigration.
Which, oh my gosh, we're seeing the results of our immigration policy right now!
What a topical issue!
Our immigration policy has been fantastic.
You see it in protests supporting Hamas all over the country right now.
And then he didn't keep any of his promises.
Thus, we're dealing with the vast migrant crisis because of Biden, because we don't have a wall.
And that's me.
tim pool
And now actually there's a big concern with today being this announced day of jihad or whatever.
There's concerns McCarthy and DeSantis brought this up.
Terrorists could have come through the southern border, we'd have no idea.
In fact, I think they've actually stopped 160 to 200 people on the terror watch list.
ann coulter
Oh yeah, they do it all the time.
unidentified
Right.
ann coulter
It went on during, even through the Trump administration.
That's why, again, isn't just some crazy freakish thing besides the fact that he said it at every single effing rally, we really need a wall.
Anyone who says we're going to protect, secure the border, they all say that.
They all say that.
We need to secure the border.
Anyone who says we need to secure the border without a wall is lying because that is the only way to secure a border.
tim pool
We'll get into all that.
Dinesh, how's it going?
dinesh d'souza
Hey, I'm Dinesh D'Souza.
I am an author, filmmaker, and about to release my new film, number seven, Police State.
And, you know, I think the way that the new film ties in with all this is that there's been a massive intelligence failure, but not just in Israel.
Our intelligence agencies were clueless also.
And why were they clueless?
We gave them all this police power, all this surveillance power after 9-11.
I mean, me included.
I plead guilty to that.
But it seems that they have shifted their gaze.
Instead of focusing on the jihadis abroad, out to kill us and damage our allies, They're focused on some grandmom who strolled into the Capitol for like 10 minutes in January 6 and took a few photos and chatted with the cops and then was back out on the street.
So I think that the police agencies of government are too busy building a police state at home to be doing their real job with foreign terrorists abroad.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Hannah Clare Brimelow's hanging out with us.
unidentified
Hey, I'm Hannah-Claire Brimlow.
I'm a writer for TimCast News.
I'm really grateful to be here with two people who can speak to how we got here and what we do now that we're facing all this global tension.
Kellan's here today, pushing the buttons.
And I think we're ready to get started.
tim pool
Yeah, well, I think we have two really great points right now with immigration and the failure of our security apparatus.
When these laws are being put in place and the Patriot Act is being signed, it's like, oh, look, we've got these terrorists who want to hurt us.
You've got, you know, after 9-11.
Now, it seems like they just don't even care about any of that.
The border's wide open.
Kevin McCarthy and Ron DeSantis are saying we could have terrorists coming through the southern border, sleeper cells, people who hate us and despise us, and they're completely ignored.
What's the purpose of the Patriot Act if we're like, come on in, without being checked?
Now we're on this day, they're saying is the day of global jihad.
You've got a bunch of news outlets saying Hamas has called for protests.
I'm like, I'm pretty sure after what they just did in Israel, killing children, this is not a call for protests, right?
And Dinesh brings up a good point.
Our intelligence agencies are so concerned that there are Trump supporters upset with the state of the government, that they're focused on them.
And this leaves us vulnerable.
dinesh d'souza
I mean, when you hear Christopher Wray testifying, I kind of look to see, is he joking?
Like, is he speaking with a straight face?
They all do.
Merrick Garland, too.
In fact, he'll talk about, oh, I have relatives who were killed in the Holocaust.
I've learned the lessons of the Holocaust.
We've got to abide by the rule of law.
And so, our police state is a little unique in that it marches behind the banner of law and democracy and fighting for truth and suppressing disinformation and misinformation.
Normally, police states don't have to give reasons, right?
They come to get you on the train, they just smash you on the head and they cart you away.
They don't have to tell you why you're being arrested.
But our police state is, I'd say it's in the making, it's under construction.
So it needs a lot of lies and a lot of masquerade.
And that's what we're getting from the Biden administration.
unidentified
And what's the objective in the end?
dinesh d'souza
Well, on the border, I think that their objective is this.
You can't build a police state if you don't have a constituency large enough that's going to help you do that.
And the Democrats don't have that yet.
The country is too closely divided.
So they're like, listen, if we can let in 10, 20, 30 million people, let's just say over the next 10 years, we now have a new America.
We have a working majority.
We're basically back to FDR in the 1930s and 40s, when America was a one-party state, but the Democrats weren't the same gangsters that they are now.
So, I think that's their motive for the open border.
They have to have a reason for it.
They're not trying to import jihadis.
They just don't care, for the same reason they don't care about child trafficking.
They know what's going on.
They're not for the cartels, but they know that cartels are needed to grab people in Central and South America and bring them 2,000 miles to the border.
So, they're working hand-in-hand with these guys, but I think that is their objective.
Their objective is political.
ann coulter
I disagree with almost everything you just said.
For one thing, I mean, yes, the police state, it's not a police state, but the bad behavior by the police is very bad.
It was bad what they did to the Proud Boys in New York under Donald Trump.
Who then, by the way, disavowed the Proud Boys.
You know, there's your big hero.
It was bad what they did to the January 6th protesters, at least the ones who weren't committing felonies.
But I don't think you need to hook this to what's happening right now to say that that is very, very bad.
That is bad.
They should not be doing that.
But as for intelligence, FDR, when he was president, didn't see Pearl Harbor coming.
We didn't see 9-11 coming.
Our CIA said that the Shah was going to last for another 20 years.
We don't need to worry about it.
Next day, bam!
Our CIA said that the Soviet Union would last for another 50 years.
It'll just sort of keep going, keep going.
Reagan comes in, it's over.
So our intelligence has never known what's going on.
The one thing we know about a CIA agent is everyone in the room knows more than he does.
And as for what they're trying to do, no, I don't think it is to try to get jihadis in, but I do think it's more than the jihadis, it's more than terrorists, though we're seeing the results of that right now, it is to destroy the United States of America.
Trump talked a good game, sadly didn't do it, and his line, a country without borders is not a country, is true.
They want to change the culture of this country.
If you were in New York right now, I mean, you may as well be in Caracas.
There are migrants all Over the place.
They are taking over soccer fields.
They are in Central Park.
I mean, haha, New York.
Sanctuary City.
Now you see what it's like.
Those of us who have been living in LA have seen it for a long time.
They want to destroy this country.
It is the same thing that's going on in Israel.
It's always the barbarians against the civilized.
Barbarians against the civilized.
And liberals have always taken the side of the barbarians.
tim pool
Dennis Prager has this idea he mentions, I think he calls it cut flower politics or something, I'm totally butchering the idea, but his idea is that you have this beautiful flower and when you cut it from its roots it looks beautiful for a little while before withering and dying.
ann coulter
That's a good line.
tim pool
And so in the United States, whether anybody wants to admit it or not, the value, the moral framework this country rests upon is Christian.
And there are a lot of people who are atheists who hold Christian moral frameworks that don't realize it.
And I'm not saying this to insult secular individuals or atheists, but Bill Maher especially.
Bill Maher will talk big game about free speech, innocent until proven guilty, right to a speedy trial, these things literally rooted in the Bible.
I was reading about the Constitution and where the amendments come from and where these ideas come from and quite literally, I think the 4th, 5th, and 6th Amendments are rooted in the story of Sodom and Gomorrah.
They're actually rooted in Blackstone's formulation, and Blackstone's formulation is better that ten guilty persons escape than one innocent suffer, quite literally informed by the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, Lot, etc.
I think it was, um, was it Abraham?
I'm not as well-versed as Dennis Prager is, but I bring this up because These are our moral frameworks, how we view the world and how we protect the innocent, things like this.
When you import millions of people who are not from, don't have these moral traditions and these ideas, I'm not saying, many of them are Christian by the way, but they don't have the same moral framework, they won't raise the same ideas.
It is very similar to what Dennis Prager says about cut flower politics or whatever the phrase he used, you get the idea.
These people are coming to this country, many of whom I think are good people, right?
That's what Donald Trump said.
ann coulter
Right.
tim pool
But they don't have a historical tradition understanding our moral frameworks, our Constitution.
You give that a couple generations, and you are rapidly accelerating the process by which the Constitution-loving Americans who believe in the, you know, classical Republicanism, which is not the Republican Party.
It is the formation of this country, the various states.
ann coulter
Yes.
tim pool
They're not going to have that.
And they're going to vote based on that.
Their kids are.
dinesh d'souza
Yeah, I mean, I think the immigrants are educated by the natives.
I mean, think about earlier generations of immigrants.
They came here not speaking English, right?
But their parents all said to them, you gotta learn English because you're now in America.
Now, why did their parents say that?
Because they found themselves in a culture that had a set of norms, principles, a common language.
Those things were held to be important.
Our immigrants now, illegals included, are being educated by the left.
And the left is telling them, in effect, you don't have to learn English.
Why would you?
In fact, it is a betrayal of your identity to become American in the traditional sense.
So, this is a dirty bargain between immigrants and natives.
I can't put the blame entirely on one group or the other.
I mean, hey, if I was a poor Venezuelan, I'd try to get the heck out of Venezuela and get my butt up here and, you know, practice my backstroke, get over the Rio Grande.
I mean, I'd do all those things and I wouldn't be the bad guy.
ann coulter
I don't think you would.
I mean, I hear people say this a lot.
I don't think you would.
I think you're a naturally law-abiding person.
I don't think I would break into another country.
dinesh d'souza
But you're not breaking in, Anne.
You're not breaking in.
ann coulter
It's against the laws of the country.
dinesh d'souza
It is, but the laws of the country are being ignored by the people who are in charge of administering those laws.
ann coulter
Those are armed border police.
Yes, the liberals don't want to abide by them, but it is a law.
dinesh d'souza
You've seen the Defense Department operatives cutting fences for people to climb over.
ann coulter
Okay, but Dinesh, we've also seen people running into stores with garbage bags and not enforcing the shoplifting laws.
Have you done that, Dinesh?
Have you gone into a 7-Eleven with a big garbage bag, because they're not enforcing the law?
No, I'm sorry, you're a law-abiding person, you're giving too much credit to illegal immigrants, they are breaking the laws of this country.
dinesh d'souza
I mean, Anna, you're seriously saying that when you go to another country, right?
ann coulter
Do I follow the law?
Yes!
dinesh d'souza
No!
Let's just say, you or I are in a museum in the Louvre, right?
And there's a sign in French that says, don't enter here, these paintings are out of, are being worked on.
But there's a guy sitting there, a French guy, and you see Frenchmen walking by and he waves you in, you walk right by, nobody stops you, nobody tells you to leave, you're in France, you're doing what the French are doing, the authorities are okay with it, and so you're going to go, wait a minute, there's a law in France, I hear they passed in Marseille, that says you can't go, no, you're going to basically... Is that a terrible metaphor?
No, it's actually a good metaphor.
It's the January 6th metaphor.
There were people in the Capitol.
They saw cops there.
The cops didn't tell them to leave.
There were no bullhorns saying, get out of this building.
Open door!
ann coulter
January 6th, yes.
Crossing through, swimming through the Rio Grande, no.
tim pool
But here's another.
I think, I think it's, I don't think it's one or the other.
I think a lot of people do know that they're breaking the law.
ann coulter
Of course they do!
100% they know.
tim pool
You watch them running from border guards.
ann coulter
Of course.
tim pool
However, however.
There are a lot of interviews of some of these migrants published by, I mean, this is, I think, detrimental to the left's argument.
There was a Vox published an interview where the guy, they asked one of these migrants in the caravan why he was coming to the U.S.
and he said, I miss my PlayStation.
One guy said, I want Buffalo Wild Wings.
And it's like, these are not refugees, dude.
They also say the NGOs are going down and telling them it's legal, you're allowed, but you better hurry up because you have to do it now.
ann coulter
And here's a script.
Here's a script that drives them crazy, but unfortunately there was a long article in the New Yorker describing the scripts they have.
Sometimes they'll lie about what country they're from.
Well, this country, you're going to say you were raped.
This country, you're going to say you were a slave.
They have scripts.
Many... New York Times wrote about it.
New Yorker wrote about it.
And every time I bring it up, they go mental.
They are handed scripts on what to say.
tim pool
Do you want to grab that bracelet right there?
Do you see the bracelet?
unidentified
This one?
Yep.
tim pool
This is... This was given to us by... I think this might have... I'm going to be so upset if I get the wrong person, but I think it was Julio Rosas.
I'm not sure.
This is... Do you guys speak Spanish?
I don't know.
unidentified
A little bit.
ann coulter
Let me see.
I can't...
tim pool
So this bracelet is what they put on people who are being trafficked.
It marks delivery.
ann coulter
Wow.
tim pool
We not only have that gifted to us.
ann coulter
Intrigues.
tim pool
But we were gifted fake IDs that they get made.
ann coulter
Oh yeah.
tim pool
So when they come they can claim to be.
ann coulter
I want to see the fake ID.
tim pool
Here you go.
Right here.
Check it out.
So this was one of the journals.
ann coulter
I got one in LA once just to see how easy it was.
LA has had a problem with immigration much longer than New York.
Ha ha ha New York.
And I got to say it was a really good fake ID.
And all you do is go over to I forget the name MacArthur Park.
Sorry, it's mentioned in a song.
Walk over to MacArthur Park.
The way they used to sell drugs down in Union Square in New York City.
They walk around, you know, what do you need?
tim pool
This is a passport Republic of Cuba.
Fake ID that someone used so when they came to the U.S.
they could lie about where they come from.
dinesh d'souza
I think the point I'm trying to make is that the lies are being encouraged at the outset by the people who are running our government.
In other words, there is in fact an international operation.
How does somebody, let's just say, move 2,000 miles and get to the U.S.
border?
Well, the answer is there's got to be a lot of networks along the way that are providing you with maps, With medical facilities that are giving you condoms that are telling you if they stop you in Mexico, this is what you say.
And so there is a sort of international convoy operation, particularly bringing the immigrants from deep in South America.
But then you got guys coming from China, you got people coming from Iran.
And it's a wink-wink operation.
In today's technology, you can't get away.
If they really wanted to stop you, they'd stop you.
They don't want to stop you.
And that's the point.
So you're like, I produce my fake ID.
They pretend it's a real ID.
I claim to be a refugee.
They know I'm not a refugee, but they give me a court date two years from now.
They know I'm going to disappear in the country.
I'm expected to disappear.
So what I'm getting at is there's a reciprocity going on here between an administration that wants to flout the law for its own reason and then the illegals that have their own motives.
ann coulter
They better not use those condoms or they won't be able to have an anchor baby.
unidentified
That is the true goal.
tim pool
That's the goal.
But here's the more terrifying reality is that All the reporters that we've talked to who've covered this said it's mostly young women being raped by the human traffickers.
No, it's not condoms.
They don't care about any of that.
ann coulter
Well, back to your point on the Christian underlying of Of our freedom.
And we are the freest country in the world.
I mean, anyone who comes from any other country.
Any immigrant to Finland makes it less white.
It's a very, very white country.
Any immigrant to America makes it less free.
We are shockingly the freest country in the world in so many ways that other cultures do not understand.
And one of the things that our media, as Dinesh says, there is an operation going.
I've never seen so much collective lying.
The rape cultures around the country are going to be quite a surprise for the feminists.
Let me just tell you, ladies, you never had it so good as with American men.
unidentified
Forget that we stopped talking about one of our most famous rape cases that came out this year, which was that 10-year-old girl from Ohio who was taken across the border to get an abortion.
And as it turns out, she is the daughter, I think, of an illegal immigrant, the man who raped her, who's 27.
Of course.
- Of course. - Was an illegal immigrant and lived with her mother.
And then we just stopped talking about this case.
At first it was, this is why we need Roe.
This is why this is so important.
As soon as it gets tied to illegal immigration, they're like, we can't talk about it anymore.
We don't want to address the effect that immigration has on culture, especially if those people who are coming across the border who are not law abiding people continue to not abide by any laws when they get here.
tim pool
So I have a bunch of friends who live in LA, lefty types, but I guess you would call them default liberal.
Some of them are more politically active just because they work in media.
And I remember having conversations with them six, seven years ago about the far left, the far left's hatred of Jews and Israel, and how I don't understand how, like, you know, hey, look, you work in Hollywood, you're Jewish.
You understand, you know, what's going on, but you're supporting these far leftists who are on video saying they want to eradicate, I'm not, Israel, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, well, maybe it's a little strong language, but you had that video of Patrice Cullors of BLM saying they want to end the imperial project called Israel.
Like, what do you think that means when they say from the river to the sea?
And these people are like, oh, no, I don't believe any of that.
Well, it's a cold splash of water in the face right now.
ann coulter
Yes.
tim pool
When you're seeing in, in Washington, they're chanting, there is only one solution.
Intifada Revolution.
I want to make sure I get the full quote, but they'll try and downplay it and say, no, no, intifada just means we're going to come and revolt against the government.
But everybody knows what one solution means.
And when they chant from the river to the sea, then when you watch what Hamas does, So I bring this up just to kind of bring it back to the greater what's happening here around the world, but you made a point about it's going to be a wake-up call to a lot of these feminists, and I'm wondering what my lefty friends, who many of them were Jewish working in the entertainment industry, what it must have been like, and I feel bad for them, I'm not trying to drag them, to wake up and to see everything they put their weight behind, every BLM post,
To see Black Lives Matter post a picture of a paraglider saying they support this when they went and killed civilians, children, indiscriminately.
And we're told by more pro-Palestinian individuals, we had Max Blumenthal on the show, tremendous respect for him, but he said Hamas saw the music festival as a target of opportunity and it is their intention to target civilians to use as bargaining chips against Israel.
This is war.
There are no rules and morality in war.
We grew up in the United States because we are so protected and so pampered.
I'm going to become totally blunt and very direct.
I'm not saying it only breeds this, but feminism, I believe, can only exist in what the United States has created.
It is so safe.
It is so protected.
Women, go about your business.
You are free.
Whereas in the majority of the world, you see these stories of the women who go hiking in Morocco by themselves and what happens.
What we see now with Hamas is a wake-up call to many of these lefty feminist types who supported BLM to realize these people hate you, they want to kill you, and if it was not for our security apparatus, yeah, you'd be living in a very brutal, cold reality.
dinesh d'souza
I mean, this whole doctrine of multiculturalism, anti-colonialism, it was cooked up inside the West.
And it was cooked up in a Western environment.
And when you step outside that environment and you apply it, you suddenly realize it means something totally different than what these sort of campus activist types think.
So when you think, for example, about Hamas and just the recent massacre, In some sense, it is even worse than the Nazis.
And what I mean is not in scale, of course, but what I mean is the Nazis were sufficiently Western to realize that they had to hide their crimes.
Right?
The death camps, there's not a single death camp that was in Germany.
Think of it, they were all in the occupied territories, they were in Poland, because the Nazis realized, we can't tell the German people we're doing this.
We gotta hide it.
Hamas doesn't hide it.
If they kill a kid, they're laughing while they're doing it, and then they put the video themselves!
They're not waiting for some journalist to expose them, they're exposing themselves!
tim pool
I think that shows how the Nazis were a more terrifying evil.
Because by hiding it, they seek to get away with it.
ann coulter
Well, it's great to get back to what liberals must be waking up to right now.
I mean, I hope this will last and I hope they have noticed it was the left that encouraged BLM, that encouraged these riots and the attacks on the police and all cops are bastards and burning down police stations.
They will always take the side of the barbarians.
They're always on the side of the violent.
And for the first time now, You know, hallelujah, in Israel we see, oh my gosh, you're going to take the side of the civilized people this time, your first time.
I mean, of course BLM supports Hamas.
What did you think?
And can we get a list of the corporations and the celebrities that donated to Black Lives Matter now all out supporting Hamas?
I just hope that the pushback that happened so fast, so quickly, I hope it didn't happen so quickly That they suddenly realized, oh crap, we stepped in it and pull back.
No, tell us what you really think.
Also the DI, I'm sorry, just one more thing, but also the diversity and diversities are saying, and sorry you guys, but white man's are really SOL.
unidentified
I'm actually a mixed race, so I'm okay.
ann coulter
That is not going to count.
It's actually worse.
All the police chiefs, all the head of universities, all the heads of symphonies.
I mean, read Heather McDonald's book.
I'm constantly interviewing her on my sub stack.
She has this book, When Race Trumps Merit.
And it's unbelievable how every important position in this country has been replaced by usually a black woman, especially at the universities.
And now we have at Yale, no, I'm sorry, it's Harvard.
The president of the Kennedy School at Harvard is giving all these pro-Hamas statements and all the big Very wealthy, very smart, well not that smart because they were donating until now, Jewish donors saying, that's it, no more, we're cutting off donations, something else Heather MacDonald has been saying to rich donors, stop giving to these universities, they hate you.
tim pool
I'm actually deeply offended by the notion that we have been screaming for years, BLM is deeply anti-semitic, and I'm not saying that in any cute kind of way.
ann coulter
How about just anti-white, anti-American?
tim pool
Well, for sure.
unidentified
But to these people who- That's more important to me.
tim pool
To many of these wealthy individuals who are donating to these universities, you realize you're supporting like very evil individuals.
When they say decolonize, what do you think that means?
And they've been holding up those signs for a decade.
And these donors to these universities are just like, I wonder what that's all about.
They're talking about killing the people who are here.
Yes.
And it's fascinating when a Yale professor put out a statement just a couple of days ago saying, settlers are not civilians.
That statement is to justify the targeting of innocent children, women, and men who were massacred in their homes without warning, because to them, and they're chanting in the streets... They're combatants.
Exactly.
dinesh d'souza
The settlers is not civilians is a variation of systemic racism.
Because systemic racism is a way of saying, I don't have to find a racist.
I don't have to find a white guy and a black guy who applied for a job.
The black guy was better qualified.
The white guy got the job.
Hey, we found a racist, someone who did that.
No.
Systemic racism locates the problem in a system.
And similarly here, the settler, the settlements become the equivalent of the system.
And so everybody in those settlements, who could be innocent themselves, they could even be kids, nevertheless become occupiers.
tim pool
Yeah, I remember I was at a protest for like, you know, Native American issues, and they were saying our land was stolen, it's a sacred burial ground.
And when I asked the activists, I was like, what part of it is the sacred burial ground?
And they're like, oh, all that.
And I'm like, and just that, like, well, all that too.
unidentified
And basically- Just vague hand gestures everywhere.
Where my hand is pointing.
tim pool
These are just leftist activists saying this.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And so I'm not speaking on behalf of Native Americans who are concerned about what land they may have had burial, you know, cemeteries or whatever on.
But the activists view was all of it.
Just everything you can see belongs to them and should be reverted.
And it's like, well, hold on.
That's not reality.
OK, people live here.
We're not going to, you know, we're not going to go to some dude's house in Pittsburgh and be like, well, I'm sorry, man.
You know, 200 years ago, this land belonged to somebody else.
So it's gone now.
That's insane.
dinesh d'souza
Not only that, but I mean, think about it this way.
The whole claim is just based upon what you got there first?
I mean, does the first Bedouin who arrives at an oasis own the oasis?
ann coulter
Also, they weren't there first.
There was another Indian tribe here they slaughtered, and before that there was another Indian tribe that they slaughtered.
They were just migrants slaughtering one another until the white man came with his guns and won a war.
And that's how territory is taken.
How do you think Israel was created?
tim pool
Not just that.
When the Native Americans were warring with each other to take land, white men showed up and warred with each other over that land, and you had colonial inter-European conflict in the New World.
ann coulter
It's just, the world is... But only white or Western, whatever you want to say, European.
I mean, I generally like white people, but one thing I really hate about them is this weird suicidal gene they have.
There's no other ethnic There are no other countries that say, we suck, we suck here, you can have our country.
No, every other ethnic group, we're the best, Hispanics are the best.
It's not even Hispanics, it's Mexicans, Ecuadorians, we crush, we kill, only white people, we suck.
tim pool
Well, here's the dangerous thing about the left's ideology.
It is only applied to the United States because when you bring the same Concepts to Europe, things get really weird.
Because they talk about indigenous rights.
So what do you end up with?
You end up with white, identitarian groups in Europe saying, indigenous rights, we completely agree.
unidentified
They're like, thank you so much for this.
tim pool
Yeah, they hold signs saying indigenous people's rights.
And they make the same arguments the left makes here as to why they oppose immigration in Europe.
unidentified
And it's like, well, okay, I mean, I'd rather take Israel as our lodestar.
ann coulter
If we could do one-tenth of what they do.
Oh, did you see my proposed solution for what's happening in the Middle East?
I think it's really perfect.
We take all their Palestinians, they take all our illegals.
dinesh d'souza
Well, you know, it's interesting how they keep describing Israel as this kind of occupying power without asking, well, wait a minute, how did this region start out?
Well, first of all, the Jews were there first.
It was their land.
Then they go into the Diaspora, the Romans smash them and they take off.
Then you get a bunch of Muslim farmers and sheep herders over there.
But Islam comes around in the 7th century and conquers that whole region, which was, by the way, almost all Christian.
Jordan was Christian, Syria was Christian, so these are Christian lands forcibly conquered by Islam, and yet somehow Islam gets out of this sort of reputation of being an occupier, and they're somehow able to pin that on the Jews.
I mean, it's just kind of an amazing sleight of hand.
tim pool
I mean, yeah, I do not know a whole lot about the history.
I do know that when I grew up going to Catholic school, many of these cities were Jewish cities like where, you know, Jerusalem, etc.
And just based on that concept alone, should we go back and say, oh, no, it's not free Palestine, it's free Israel, right?
Or Judea, whatever it was.
dinesh d'souza
I mean, when I was in Israel, this was last December.
It's really fascinating because they're doing all this archaeological work.
And they're finding out that many of these artifacts are coming up now that are validating the Hebrew Scriptures.
I mean, people for a long time think about it.
There was no independent evidence that Jeremiah or, you know, these prophets of the old David or Saul ever existed.
But suddenly you pull out a, you know, a medallion or you pull out a writing and it's like King Saul, King Solomon.
You suddenly realize, wow, the historicity of the Old Testament is being affirmed by secular modern Israeli archaeologists.
Now, what does that have to do with what we're talking about?
Well, it's establishing the historic claim of the Jews to Israel.
tim pool
Well actually, I went to a coin store, and they had one of the old coins that was minted around the time of the birth of Christ, and is believed- I don't know if the coin that I bought was one of the coins used by Saint Caspar, But it was the same currency used by St.
Casper, and that's... I don't... My understanding is after researching about it, buying the coin, it's verified historical in like a box and sealed and graded and all that stuff, that quite literally, yes, there was a guy, he was given currency, it was minted for him so they could fund his trip.
Don't know if that specific coin was used by him, but around this time, I gifted that to Seamus because I thought it was, you know, it meant something historically, but...
Yeah, generally, this stuff happened, right?
Whether or not you believe in the greater faith-based narratives of the religions or whatever is something else, but these people were here.
They did these things.
dinesh d'souza
Exactly.
I mean, that's the point.
ann coulter
And they control it, and they're the civilized force there now.
But the left is always against civilization.
unidentified
And the left is inconsistent.
I mean, there is a lot of brutality in that region that the left doesn't care about, right?
Like, Coptic Christians are murdered in Egypt regularly.
Their churches are bombed, their priests are murdered, and we never hear the left saying, this is terrible, we should go in for this underdog, right?
They just pretend it doesn't happen.
And I wonder if that's because they're ignorant on the uh complexity of of the region or if it's because... It can't be!
dinesh d'souza
I mean Anne is right about this because think about it you've got you've got blacks who are gunned down by other blacks in Chicago every day.
Clearly people are not ignorant about that but at the same time they act like that's not happening either.
unidentified
But then how do they how do they justify I mean I don't think they do but is there a way for them to justify to these donors at Harvard why they pick some sides and not others because they're completely They're completely inconsistent in how they enforce this theoretical... Well, usually the big donors wouldn't care.
ann coulter
They're going to take the side of the violent ones, of the primitive ones.
I mean, it's kind of why they don't have cognitive dissonance.
They are the donors or the top of the heap of this civilization, the civilized world.
But, you know, it's just cute.
It's fun.
They don't BLM.
Oh, I'll write a check.
Now that it comes to something, you know, close to home, Um, and this was just a hideous, hideous attack on Israel.
I mean, I don't think it matters whether it was, how far it goes back.
You don't slaughter civilians like this.
tim pool
And they lie about everything.
Here, I'll tell you my challenge.
They do lie.
The left lies about everything, endlessly.
It is mind-numbing.
Every day I have to track this stuff and, you know, as someone who's somewhat You know, years ago I come into, hey, this story's happening, it was 2014, Protective Edge, I knew very little about Israel-Palestine, and I'm trying to understand what's going on, and I get these leftist saying, look, Israel indiscriminately bombs, they kill civilians, and these poor Palestinians are in an open-air prison, and I'm like, interesting.
I knew a journalist who was Fair and balanced.
And he's like, I've been to Israel.
Here's what I saw.
It was horrifying.
The rockets were exploding.
I went to Palestine.
It was horrifying.
Here's what I saw.
And I'm like, that's interesting.
I was like, maybe this truth is closer to the middle.
And then what happens?
Half the stories I heard about Palestine were all lies.
They're lying about what Israel actually did.
And then it's like, okay, is Israel innocent?
Well, it's war, so there's going to be collateral damage and problems.
But every single time it comes to these arguments, the left lies to me.
I have no choice but to be like, I must give Israel the benefit of the doubt, because you keep lying about everything.
And Israel may be lying too, but it seems like they're lying less than you're lying.
So I don't know what I'm supposed to do other than say, When Hamas goes and kills a bunch of women and children, and I'm told by the pro-Palestinian side that, well, yes, that's a target of opportunity.
They're doing that to gain leverage and capture people and drag them back to Gaza as bargaining chips.
I'm like, so you admit your tactic is to indiscriminately target civilians?
Well, Israel's saying they're trying not to target civilians, and it's unfortunate that it happens.
I'm sorry, like, it sounds like you guys are evil.
dinesh d'souza
Right.
Sure.
I mean there's that video on social media of the Palestinian parent who's telling his kid to go throw the rock.
And you can tell the soldiers are really uncomfortable because the parent is egging his kid on and he's telling the Israeli guy, shoot the kid, shoot the kid!
It's almost like he's looking for a propaganda with his own kid.
I mean it's almost inconceivable.
A point about these donors, though, because it doesn't make sense that you've got all these rich guys who are doing super well, they're multi-millionaires, why they would fund, quote, barbarism.
I mean, that doesn't make any sense.
Why are they continuing to give to these universities?
And I think it is because the left has has sort of captured the trophies of high culture, the Lincoln Center.
And so in a capitalist society, you've got people who do really well, they make a lot of money, but they always have this little anxiety that they don't have culture.
And so they want to buy culture.
And the way you buy culture is you give money to Harvard and then you get on the board or you get on the board of the Lincoln Center and you don't really care what they stand for, what they do.
You walk into the museum, you can't understand any of the art, but the point is you don't want to be seen as a guy who's a barbarian and a philistine and you don't know what art is, so you're like, I need to be on the board of the Lincoln Center, and then I will be seen as not only a rich guy, but a very cultured guy.
ann coulter
There's something to that, but they also, most of them did go to the temples of high culture like Harvard and Yale.
And I don't know, I see too many Black Lives Matter signs.
And what's that one?
In this house we be hung up, you know, in the Hamptons, in places like Palm Beach, huge, you know, Black Lives Matter.
That isn't, that is, That is them taking a side.
Yeah, it's chic.
It's definitely chic, but it's always on the side of the barbarians and the violent.
That's how they show how cool they are and how rich they are, because they don't need to worry about what you were saying about civilized society.
They don't need the police.
They don't need... They live a safe life, so they have the luxury of pretending to support... Of promoting violence in someone else's life.
Astro, Black Lives Matter.
tim pool
They're unlearned, unworldly, naive, unsophisticated individuals who blindly march along with whatever they think the narrative is so they can fit in.
Many of these people know what they're doing is wrong, but are scared to speak out against it.
Those are cowards, and they provide donations to this.
But I think the simple thing is, you know, you made the joke about, you know, Palestine will take all the Palestinians.
They can have the illegal immigrants.
A joke we have to make is we'll take the Venezuelans if they take our leftists.
Because the people in Venezuela fleeing leftism, at the very least, will... But it's a joke, right?
And so the issue is... They voted for it.
ann coulter
It's not like it was imposed on them in Venezuela.
They voted for it.
tim pool
But the leftists in the United States have never been to Venezuela.
And the funny thing, you take an American leftist and bring them to Caracas, they'll likely be murdered.
Certainly now, yeah.
I went down to Venezuela, I think nine years ago with Vice, and we were covering the uprising that was happening.
It was interesting.
It was the wealthier individuals protesting against the government because their lives were being destroyed by these policies.
And four or five times, someone walked up to me and go, where are you from?
And I know what happens if I say America, so I would say Vice Magazine, and they would say, no, where are you from?
I'm like, oh, Vice is a Canadian magazine, and they'd walk away.
If I said I'm an American, something bad's gonna happen.
ann coulter
That's nice.
So I'm glad they're all here now.
That makes me feel much better.
Much better.
No, but if you were there, then you know.
And this is why I mean, sometimes I think it can be flip and unfair.
A lot of New Yorkers didn't vote for the government.
A lot of Los Angelinos didn't vote for the government.
So, yeah, I have sympathy for them.
I'm one of them.
But you know that in this case, what I'm saying about how they voted for it, they have masses of poor people.
And Hugo Chavez said, I'm gonna take the property of the rich, and I'm gonna give it to you guys, and they're all out there with their red hats, and they were moving poor people onto the golf courses, and taking over golf, and the poor, yay, yay!
And they loved this, it's like Eva Perón.
dinesh d'souza
This is not true.
None of this is true.
I'm actually married to a Venezuelan.
I know this history very well.
Hugo Chavez came in in the 1990s, and he said the exact opposite.
He ran as a third-party candidate, as a kind of Ross Perot.
And he said, I am not a socialist.
I am pro-business.
He goes, both parties are corrupt, which was true.
And he said, I will steer a middle course.
And a lot of Venezuelans... By the way, Venezuela was not a desperately poor country.
This was not India.
They were wealthy, right?
Venezuela was in some ways wealthier than the United States with oil wealth, yeah.
Debbie, my wife, when she grew up, she says when she came from Venezuela, Caracas, to the Rio Grande Valley of Texas, she thought she was moving to a third world country.
Wow.
Because she's walked in and there was like, she's like, what kind of, you know, what kind of houses are here?
It's all so ramshackled and run down and people are like rednecks, you know, and anyway, the point is, Hugo Chavez pulled a fast one.
And now, the moment he got in, he allied with Castro.
Now, he always had those roots, but he didn't campaign on that.
And while they had a free election in Venezuela in the 1990s, they have not had a free election since.
I mean, they have been rigging the elections openly.
ann coulter
Well, it may have been rigged, but when he ran for re-election, he absolutely ran on taking from the rich and giving to the poor.
And did your wife ever look around in Caracas because the poor people way outnumber the rich?
And that, by the way, I think it's an important point that you make.
It's not a good way.
It's not the American way.
What set What set America apart from most other countries, and especially Latin America for its entire existence, was this vast, vast, vast middle class.
Everybody had a pretty high standard of living, and by bringing in the third world, we're going to end up like that, with your rich wife, and probably everyone in this room, in this tiny little strata, and then masses and masses of peasants.
dinesh d'souza
Well, I mean, Venezuela was a country that had, it does have more poor people than rich people, for sure.
And so you, so Hugo Chavez was able to exploit that division.
tim pool
Well, I think that's true everywhere.
dinesh d'souza
That's true everywhere.
ann coulter
But it wasn't in this country.
No, it was a vast middle class.
And we're losing that now.
And that is going to help a party that will do things like your police state stuff.
unidentified
Yeah.
dinesh d'souza
No, I mean, I agree with that for sure in this country.
But look, there are middle classes emerging in other countries and middle classes by themselves don't protect countries.
I mean, India now has a big middle class.
It didn't when I was a kid.
India was a small sliver of rich people and then a giant group of poor people.
But now there are quite two or three hundred million middle class people in India.
unidentified
How are they able to facilitate that?
I mean, what are they doing that Venezuela is not?
dinesh d'souza
India has benefited, as China has, from this massive globalization where, by and large, the labor pool and the sort of educated pool were deployed to provide both menial work but also intelligent work for lower cost.
And so, you know, for the last 30 years, people are talking about the India price and the China price.
In other words, you can make steel over here or you can make it in China for half of that.
And the same has been true of India.
India's been providing, as you know, you call the airlines, you get some Indian guy, but why?
It's because that guy's charging one-third in India to what it would cost to hire a guy here.
So, globalization in that sense has been very good for India.
tim pool
It's a labor market drug addiction.
It's destroying us.
dinesh d'souza
It is.
tim pool
And everyone complains about it.
Everyone complains about we can't get customer service anymore.
We can't solve our problems.
You finally get someone on the phone and they don't understand what you're talking about and they can't help you because they're thousands of miles away.
And I dealt with this recently when United Airlines in the middle of the night changed my flight to a different flight, bumping me from first to coach in the back without telling me.
Whoa!
It sounds like Delta.
Look, I'm flying back after a medical trip.
I have to work first thing in the morning.
There's a reason I fly first class.
I have to sleep.
Otherwise I'm not getting work done.
Yeah.
And without telling me they switch my flight.
It's a first world problem.
Totally fine.
Totally get it.
Look at me complaining about my first class ticket.
But I called to get some assistance.
Not a single person could help me.
There's no employees.
ann coulter
Did you ever get an explanation?
tim pool
Nope.
Well, they said that there was the one of the connecting flights was delayed, but there was no reason for them to switch my flight.
So I was originally flying from Vegas to, I think like Houston to DC, and there were options in Houston.
I think it was, was it Houston?
I don't know.
Or was it Dallas?
Whatever one's the really big hub.
unidentified
Dallas.
tim pool
And yeah, was it Dallas?
There's a bunch of options I could have taken.
They instead diverted me to Denver without telling me.
And so that's just an annoyance.
ann coulter
Don't you think a lot of this, I mean, it is a huge, huge problem.
I think we've all experienced the lack of employees.
Isn't this still an after effect from COVID and paying people to stay home and do nothing?
That was a pretty devastating year.
And it seems to me that is when it started.
tim pool
I agree, but I mean, the trope of someone calling customer service and getting someone in India, Turkey, or China or something like this has been around for a really long time.
dinesh d'souza
I mean, and not just customer service.
I mean, you walk into a store or a restaurant You don't get the idea that anybody wants to help you.
Yeah.
You're looking for shoes.
It's kind of like you're on your own.
You find your shoes and then you have to chase down somebody.
unidentified
The employees are avoiding eye contact with you.
dinesh d'souza
Exactly.
ann coulter
Well, if you see an employee, I mostly just see not as many employees as they need.
I mean, it shows you how the shutdowns, which totally didn't need to happen.
Also, I don't know if you saw this in yesterday's New York Times, ACT.
That's another SAT and ACT.
unidentified
ACT scores are down.
ann coulter
But, shockingly, like never before.
I mean, sometimes they go up, they go down.
We're always supposed to be horrified by this.
unidentified
There's a huge plummet in the last five years, and they're the lowest since 1981.
ann coulter
And it was 43% could not pass.
I didn't take ACT, I'm SAT side of the country.
But there are five different sections of it, like history, math, English, that sort of thing.
43% couldn't even get to qualified on those five.
And they're saying it's COVID.
I think you got to throw in immigration.
dinesh d'souza
I think it's not just it's COVID and it's immigration, but I think it's also just the universities These are high school kids.
High school kids, but I mean, merit is no longer a central defining concept of America.
When I came to America, I thought of myself as, listen, the beauty of America is you can start out at the bottom of the ladder, and of course I'd come with like 500 bucks in my pocket.
I'm like, you know, but if you're smart, you're hardworking, you're creative, you come up with new ideas, merit is going to be the transmission belt that's going to move you ahead.
Who can say that with a straight face today?
unidentified
No, in fact, I think they prefer people who are not talented.
I think all of the schools and public schools cater to the lowest common denominator in class.
I mean, you see schools cutting gifted and talented programs across the board.
There is a reason that students who are qualified for college do not want to go.
It's not a system of promise, it's just credentialism that actually doesn't cater to helping them achieve anything.
ann coulter
We ought to be finding the Elon Musks and Peter Thiels and putting all of our money into them, but instead we have endless programs for kids and put the square block in the red hole.
unidentified
Well, we don't offer them any alternatives, right?
Like, if you are not someone who wants to go to college, That's sort of it.
your school is then saying, well, you're hurting our numbers because it looks better for us to the government if we enroll in college.
Oh, I think more kids should not go to college.
ann coulter
You can make so much more money not going to college.
College, everybody knows it's a four-year vacation.
You learn nothing.
And you go into massive amounts of debt.
The only reason people do that is the Supreme Court ruled IQ tests unconstitutional.
You could give any employee a five-minute IQ test and that will teach you everything you need to know for any job.
Whether it's busboy, you always want the smarter person for the job.
But you can't do that.
The SAT and ACT are basically IQ tests.
What you are doing is paying $200,000 to get around the Supreme Court's rule that the employer can't give you an IQ test.
So just take the SAT and submit that to your employer.
tim pool
So a buddy of mine was running a mid-sized marketing firm.
He had a couple dozen clients.
And he needed, as he was expanding, he needed to hire people to manage the social media platforms of these various restaurants and businesses.
So, of course, he goes on various job posting boards and says, here's what we're looking for, blah, blah, blah, college degree required.
He ended up firing, you know, several people every week.
Problems, phone call, what do I do?
They're panicking.
This image was offending someone.
What do I do?
And he's just like, figure it out.
You're a social media manager.
This is your job.
This is why we look for people with expertise.
And that's fired, fired, fired, fired.
Finally, he's running out of money.
Because he's gone through so many employees, so he posts on Craigslist, and he gets a couple applications from some people, I think they were just high school grads, they may have dropped out, and they said they had moved to California to pursue acting.
And he said, well, they're willing to get paid substantially less, and so at this point, with how much money I've got left wasting money on these people, I'm gonna hire them.
So then he tells me that the first week they're there, he gets not a single text or phone call.
He gets worried.
He's like, what's going on?
He comes into the office at the end of the day, how things are going, like, everything's good boss.
And he's like, uh, no problems.
Oh, there was a problem with one of the companies.
They were upset about one of the phones.
We took care of it.
And he was like, you took care of it.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
tim pool
We just set him up.
We asked him what the issue was.
We gave him some solutions and then we implemented it.
There was nothing to worry about.
And he said to me, here's the thing, these kids who spent their whole lives going to school and being told what to do couldn't solve problems because whenever they had a problem they were told what to do.
ann coulter
And being patted on the head for whatever they did.
tim pool
Trove participation awards.
But these two people that had moved to California to pursue acting, were individuals who decided what was right for themselves and were going to pursue their own vision.
And it's like, I think that transits in the workplace.
These are people who are like, I'll figure it out.
Whereas the college kids were like, please tell me what to do.
dinesh d'souza
And so there you go. - Yeah, I mean, the problem isn't just that the college kids are not street smart and don't have real world experience.
It is also that there's just been a rapid decline of just the baseline level of knowledge.
I mean, what a teacher could walk into and expect kids to already know.
Like, okay, we're going to talk about the Federalist Papers, you know, they're written by this guy Publius, and then right now you can't... people are like, what?
Publius?
What?
You know, and then you've got to explain, well, there were these three guys and they came together and they decided to write... So, what I'm getting at is that college has become remedial.
College is basically like the ninth grade.
tim pool
Here's the issue.
When I was a kid growing up, my family opened a coffee shop.
So I'm between 9 and 11 years old.
I am surrounded by no one but adults on the weekends.
So I'd be working the register.
I'd be making coffee.
I'm like 10.
Some customers would complain, why is there a 10-year-old?
What do I hear?
I hear a 24 year old guy being like, I can't stand these Republicans right now.
We got in there.
They're saying stuff.
And that's what I'm hearing as a kid.
So what's happening is as a child, I'm learning from adults.
I'm learning how to be an adult from adults.
What we've started doing with schools is we're having children learn how to be adults from other children.
What's happening now, and one of the reasons I think scores are going down is not just the COVID lockdowns, it's that, why is it that kids don't know about the Federalist Papers?
When I was a little kid, my parents would bring me to a movie or watch a TV show.
I'm sitting on the couch with my dad, Star Trek The Next Generation is on.
The ideas that are being conveyed to me are adult concepts.
Now kids are on social media where all their culture is from other children who don't know anything either.
So what's relevant to them is, oh that dude threw a pie at that other guy.
Whereas when I was growing up it was, I went and saw that movie with Mel Gibson, you know, and he was fighting the American Revolution.
ann coulter
Aren't the games different?
I think the games, I'm not an 11 year old boy, but all of the games they play, it seems to me there's a lot of attacks on social media and I'm suspicious of them because every new like fun entertainment that's come along has been blamed for that, whether it's television or Hollywood.
Or, you know, the hula hoop.
So I'm a little suspicious of the attacks on social media.
And the gaming stuff seems like even better than watching, well, I don't know, Brevity Park.
Because, you know, there's the incentive, there are the rewards, there's the coordination.
And at least of the 11-year-old boys I know, They're not just watching, I don't know, The Kardashians, nothing like that at all.
It's the gaming stuff, and I think that's probably better than school.
tim pool
Oh, in a lot of ways.
When I was growing up, two games that I played, Sid Meier's Colonization and Civilization, Colonization is a game where you choose England, France, the Netherlands, or Spain.
You then are dispatched to the New World in 1492 or whatever, and you have little boats and you build colonies, and you fight with Native Americans.
ann coulter
I want to play this now!
tim pool
It is to this day, this is like 1993 or whatever, to this day it's still a really, really, really good game.
If you choose Spain, you get a bonus attacking Native Americans, it's like very brutal, and then You recruit founding fathers, and so I'm learning about all... I'm nine years old.
unidentified
Wow!
dinesh d'souza
I mean, even think about the old monopoly.
I mean, it was sort of an education to play that game.
You begin to learn, you know, the sort of motives of capitalism, and you build a hotel and you block some other guy who's trying to encroach on your neighborhood.
The problem, I think, is not just that the kids don't want to be like their parents, The parents want to be like the kids.
tim pool
Yeah.
dinesh d'souza
That's the other side of it.
And so this sort of, these massive consultations that parents have with young kids to, you know, where do you want to go to dinner?
What place should we go to see?
And so on.
And so you've just got a complete inversion of the normal relationship of young people wanting to grow up and learn what it means to be an adult.
tim pool
I wonder about this.
When I was, Blink-182 just has been coming out with new music and these guys are just entering their 50s.
So they're very old and they're, you know- Wow!
Yeah, pop punk music.
And one of the lines in their song that came out last year is, I'm a punk rock kid.
And I'm like, bro, you're 50.
I'm like, I'm a fan.
I've been a fan of Blink-182 since I was a kid.
But like, you're 50, you're not a punk rock kid.
But I get what he's saying.
He's not necessarily saying he's a child.
But when I was younger, When I was like 10, Blink-182, uh, or how old was I, like 12 or something, Enema of the State comes out, and I was learning all these songs on the guitar, but I very quickly realized when, in one of their songs, they say like, mom and dad hold the key to instant slavery, and I'm like, wait, these guys are in their mid-20s.
I'm like 13.
I'm like, why is this 25 year old guy complaining about his mom?
And that's when, as a very young age, I was like, they're pandering to me.
They're lying.
And I shouldn't say lying, but it's like, these are adults making content for children.
I think a component of that There is the some some I don't know why this is there is a desire among many adults to like you said they want to be like the kids and I'm like why you should be like the adults right you know there's a constant desire I guess it's because They're afraid of aging, right?
unidentified
I mean, that's what it is.
ann coulter
I don't think that happens as much as a few people.
tim pool
No, I think it's money.
unidentified
I think there is a complete fear of responsibility, and so there's a need that someone else is to blame for everything that goes wrong.
I think that they want to stay these adult children.
I mean, the term adulting is sort of hilarious, but also gross, right?
ann coulter
You know, not having kids, there's nothing I love more than sitting around and giving people child-rearing tips, but I really do not think I can't wait for your parenting book.
I know lots of parents.
I don't know anybody who... I'm sure there are bad parents out there.
I am sure that is true, but there's bad anything.
There have always been bad parents.
tim pool
But there's the trope of trying to be the cool mom, trying to be the cool dad.
You know, I'm hip, I'm with it.
ann coulter
I don't think that's new.
dinesh d'souza
Well, of course not.
Let's look back at movies.
Let's just say over the past... Can I get a coffee?
ann coulter
I'm sorry.
dinesh d'souza
Movies of the past 30 years.
tim pool
We have a coffee machine over there.
Oh, sure.
See if you can make it work.
dinesh d'souza
We're still rolling, right?
Yeah.
So, you know, look at the themes of movies over the past three decades.
By and large, what you have is you've got some parents and they're either wicked or they're uncool.
They're one or the other.
And there's a problem that has to be solved, but it's never going to be some dad who solves it.
If it's going to be an adult, it's going to be the mom.
So that's the nod to feminism.
But normally it's going to be solved by the kid.
unidentified
Right.
I mean, I find this really interesting because there is a phase of development where, especially for young men, they naturally start testing their dad, right?
This is something that their neurobiology is wired to do.
And so in some ways, it's natural that there are coming of age stories would have, you know, dads who eventually have to sort of step back and their son takes leadership or whatever it is similar with women.
But I think more than anything, no one wants to be the adult in any of these situations.
And there's sort of a desire.
Of course parents want to relate to their kids and be cool.
I don't think that's a bad thing.
I just think ultimately part of it is this fear of responsibility, this desire to put off having to accept that things are hard.
I mean, this is the same thing, the same justification people have for not having children at all.
I just like my lifestyle the way it is and I don't want to interact with, you know, children and they're sticky and they'll take up my time and resources.
They are sticky.
Yeah, they are sticky.
But they ultimately give you something that is worth having.
I mean, your father, I think, ultimately As much as we don't want to, sorry Anne's leaving us as I rant about things, as much as we don't want to just, you know, no one wants to grow up and have to do hard things.
On the other hand, the hard things are what make life worth living and I think this is this infantilization of American culture.
That makes it so college is actually just a long daycare.
I can't tell you how many women I knew who are like, I'm going to get my master's because I'm not ready to get a job and be an adult.
So they spend another year dependent on their parents if their parents can't afford it or going into mass amounts of debt that they don't know how they're going to pay off.
It's ridiculous.
dinesh d'souza
I mean, the aging point that you mentioned, I mean, Anne was sort of dismissive, but I think it's actually true, because I think that in a culture that values just youth and appearance, as opposed to wisdom, because think about it, in the old days, you got older, but who cared?
Because the old guys ran the society, they ran all the corporations, they were the wise people, they told everybody else what to do, so who cares if you have some wrinkles when you're the boss of everything?
But in a society where Technology comes first to the young, and the old people are, quote, out of it.
In a society where there's a lot of emphasis on appearance, then you find this fact that as people get older, and this is especially women, they're gonna fight to sort of hang on to their 30s, and hang on to their 40s, and so on.
And so I think that that is a reason why they defer to the sort of cultural superiority of the young, because the young are setting the tone.
And even they accept it.
tim pool
This is gonna change.
Because Millennials are not having kids, because there's just substantially less children happening.
I thought about why it is that these bands will pander to the younger generation.
Why is it that a band in their 20s are gonna write songs for children?
There are more children, there's more money to be made.
Adults, less likely to go out to shows and buy CDs.
Children, more likely to get their parents to do it for them.
Parents are now shifting their spending towards the kids.
There are more kids than... So, let's say... I'm gonna give you flat arbitrary numbers.
Let's say there are 100 Gen Xers.
There should be 200 millennials, right?
Or there should be, like, 150 is... Actually, she's not gonna... So, uh, let's say... Or at least 100, but typically it was 2 1⁄2 kids.
So for every 100 adults, that's 50 couples, you're going to get... You'll have 150 kids.
That means if you're making a CD, You will make more money selling it to the children, who are going to get their parents to buy it for them, than you would targeting the parents, there are less of them.
But as millennials, and Gen Z likely, will have less and less kids, there's actually a chart that I was looking at showing the population growth, and it's rounding off.
There's the baby boom, and then it's shrinking.
This means that if you're putting on an event, let's say you're a promoter, and you want to do a big music festival.
What bands are you going to book?
Are you going to book the band that's going to attract Gen Z and Gen Alpha?
Why?
There's less of them.
If you go for the Gen X Millennial...
Uh, bans?
These are older, these are ban- like Blink-182, they're nearing their 50s.
You are going to sell more tickets than you would if you sold to the younger generation.
So this is gonna cause a shift, I think, in terms of popular culture where it used to be, you know, the Abraham- Abraham Simpson meme where he's talking to a young Homer and he says, I used to be with it, but then they changed what it was, and now what it is is scary to me, and it'll happen to you too!
Uh, not anymore, I don't think.
That's why Blink-182, nearing, I think Mark is 50, I think Tom DeLonge is like 48, Travis is 47, they put out a new album, and it's already one of their biggest hits.
So I think one of the songs they put out was their fourth biggest hit of their careers.
And Blink-182 peaked, we thought, in like 2003!
When they put off Take Off Your Pants and Jacket was the name of their album.
Very silly.
And now they're back and they're doing this nostalgia song called One More Time where it's like showing old clips of them when they were very young or whatever.
But because of the internet and because of the way the population trend is happening, it's not so much that they'll make more than they did then, it's that In terms of how many hits are they going to get and are they going to be on the top of the charts?
Yes.
They put out a song and it reached, uh, uh, it was like a top 10 or I don't know.
It was a number one single or whatever.
20, 30 years later after their, after the height of their success, they're back and it's, it's how many people are going to listen to music and will this result in a gold record, a platinum record and sales?
There are not enough young people relative to how these, there's, there's more young people today, of course.
Older people die, but it's not at the degree of expansion as it used to be.
I think this trend is going to change the way things develop culturally and we're seeing it.
unidentified
How much of the Blink-182, and you're more knowledgeable than I am, but how much of their current sort of revival is timed to Travis Barker's personal life, right?
Like, so he's now married to Kardashian, so there's a whole group of people who probably may have listened to Blink-182, may not have, who are now interested in what he's doing.
His son is dating one of the D'Amelio sisters, who is this huge TikTok star.
They are able to sort of re-emerge into public knowledge in a way that I don't know that everyone could because of these social connections in the app.
tim pool
Oh, that's a good point.
Look, Metric just put out their second album in like a year and a half.
Metric's not nearly as big as Blink-182, but... To date Khloe Kardashian.
Not even that.
So I think it's also the internet has changed the way we can distribute and build fan bases.
Back in the day, record labels gonna say, how many sales are we getting on this album?
We're not getting that many, people are getting older, they're buying less music, they're listening to music they remember from when they were kids, and they're spending money on their kids, the kids want new music for a younger generation.
So what happens is, you eventually say, I wonder what ever happened to that band?
Well, yeah, the record labels are like, we're not going to invest in a fading rock band.
With the internet now, they're like, no, their fan base has never left.
And their fan base wants new music, and it's not even purchased anymore, it's streaming.
So as long as you can keep the treadmill rolling, they'll keep producing more and more music.
Now you have bands that are in their 50s producing music for the same demographic.
I think it's causing a hard cultural, like an ossification.
ann coulter
I just like the internet.
The most important change I think the internet made to music was for the young kids out there.
You used to have to buy an entire CD that sucked for one good song.
Man, they ran that scam for a long time.
tim pool
But there are tons of albums that it's just like, man, they had so many good songs on an album like that.
unidentified
That's true.
tim pool
And a lot of these songs didn't make it.
ann coulter
Yeah, they were called greatest hits.
tim pool
No, Melancholy and the Infinite Sadness by Smashing Pumpkins.
ann coulter
You're right.
Actually, as we got closer to the internet, they got better.
tim pool
Yeah.
I mean, but it's just, there are good bands and there are bad bands.
And there were bad bands that had one good song and they'd sell you the whole album, but then there were good bands where it's like that whole album was good.
dinesh d'souza
Well, I think the other factor is that, and this is what technology has changed, is that a bad band could survive in a small town because there was nowhere else to go.
So you'd have to listen to that music because that was the only music around, but the moment you can now tap into, and this applies by the way to lots of other things, you You know, let's say pastors.
There used to be four churches in the town, and you know, they're all probably horrible, but that's okay, that's all you get.
unidentified
But now you can livestream a service.
dinesh d'souza
Right, now exactly.
You can listen to a pastor who's speaking to the whole country, or perhaps the whole world.
tim pool
Well, let's bring this to the political world.
ann coulter
To social media censorship.
tim pool
Exactly.
Ask yourself, why is it that Ocasio-Cortez and the squad members get elected?
ann coulter
Immigration!
Everything comes back to immigration.
Of course it is.
We dumped 100,000, 200,000 Somalis in the middle of Minnesota.
tim pool
Now that may be for Ilhan Omar to a great degree, yes, but you look at their donations and why is it that they out-fundraise their more establishment Democrat counterparts?
What happens is, 20 years ago, you would have to go to your community and fundraise.
AOC does not do this.
The squad members overwhelmingly get their money from outside their districts.
So, let's say you live in a small town with no internet.
This is 20 years ago.
You go door-to-door and you ask everyone for a dollar.
Ninety-nine out of a hundred people all say we are fairly moderate individuals.
And you say, okay, if I want to raise money, I have to work on behalf of those ninety-nine.
The one crazy person runs out screaming, demanding no borders, and saying, NO BORDERS!
THIS COUNTRY IS AN EVIL EMPIRE!
And they don't like Israel and all that stuff.
And you're like, I don't need their dollar.
Okay?
I have to work towards my constituency.
That's not what AOC does.
With the internet, AOC asks that one crazy person in every city to contribute to her campaign, which gets her hundreds of thousands of dollars.
She represents no one.
But with all of that money she gained from everyone outside the district, she out-competes, say, Crowley.
In a district that is overwhelmingly Democrat.
ann coulter
She's kind of a celebrity.
I don't say that in a flattering way.
tim pool
Her followers are not in her district.
She's a celebrity.
ann coulter
But that always happened once you have the name.
Now she's a celebrity.
This would happen with or without.
It happened to every single candidate who ran against Jesse Helms.
All the money came from Hollywood and everybody knew it.
tim pool
And here's the issue.
If you had to pander to Hollywood, you would be pandering to a specific ideology.
ann coulter
No, they just had more money.
I mean, liberals across the country are donating to anyone running against Jesse Helms.
tim pool
And you had to go to Hollywood and say, what does Hollywood want?
ann coulter
You just say I'm running against Jesse Helms.
dinesh d'souza
I think a factor here is the radicalization of educated Elite college, rich whites.
I mean, that's a fact.
Because AOC, Cori Bush, all these people are pandering to that constituency because that's the constituency that has the dollars.
So this has occurred through a mechanism of indoctrination stretching through the universities and the media for 30 years.
But the white educated class is the real constituency of BLM.
ann coulter
I doubt AOC or Ilhan Omar get a lot from the big donors we talk about.
tim pool
No, they don't.
They're getting money from fringe lunatics across the country that normally have no voice.
ann coulter
And they're co-religionists.
unidentified
I think you can make a comparison to what you're saying about buying CDs.
You know, there's one song you like and so you buy the whole CD.
I think that a lot of the people who campaign right now know they just need to hit one talking point or one policy, especially as we go into a presidential election when these, you know, Well, I think that's true generally.
I mean, what do you think, Dinesh?
We've seen a lot of the same presidential campaigns.
join their camp, right?
You don't need to be a fully formed, excellent CD.
You just need to be a one-hit wonder and they'll buy the entire package.
ann coulter
Yes.
Well, I think that's true generally.
I mean, what do you think, Dinesh?
We've seen a lot of the same presidential campaigns.
It seems to me you need like three issues if you're running for president.
And more than that, and we forget, you should have a competent answer.
You know, if you're asked about water policy in Flint, But what you are running on, what you're campaigning on, one, two, three issues are basically, I think, the maximum you should have.
dinesh d'souza
I agree.
I mean, Lincoln ran on one issue, which was, I mean, he basically ran on, I will stop the extension of slavery cold in its tracks, and that's what I'm running on.
And you could fault him on a whole bunch of other issues, but essentially he's like, that is the issue that matters right now.
So I think part of political skill is to be able to identify and then frame that issue In a way that forces people to make a choice your way, and that's how you travel as a candidate.
tim pool
So, what do you guys think is going to happen next year?
I know you're more pro-DeSantis.
Are you for DeSantis explicitly?
ann coulter
Yeah, I mean, give me another option.
But wow, he does everything Trump said he was going to do and didn't do.
And I mean, he's just been the energizer bunny.
He's unbelievably competent.
He knows what's going on.
I don't care that about the charisma issue.
And, you know, I was just thinking about this this week, because I wrote about, for my column, which is at my sub-sac, antcoulter.subsac.com.
Sorry, I haven't mentioned that one time, and that's why I'm doing this podcast.
dinesh d'souza
PoliceStateFilm.net.
ann coulter
Exactly, exactly.
tim pool
Well, actually, now's the best time to announce it.
ann coulter
There was a sick story that you guys might have heard about.
It was just so sick in New York City this week.
There was a judge, there were these sick parents who were beating their little three-week-old when she was three weeks old, had broken ankles, brain hemorrhage, broken skull.
Three weeks old.
So social workers put her into foster care.
They come up again before a judge, and the social workers or child care advocates, whatever, they're begging the judge, do not send her back to these parents.
Do not send her back.
And the judge says, no, we need family reunification.
So the next day they give her the fatal blow.
She dies in the hospital two days later.
And it brought me back to when I worked in Congress in the U.S.
Senate.
It was after the 1994 election.
And you three, but you aren't, are too young to remember this.
Life is really fun when Republicans win elections.
And in 1994, Man, that was unbelievable.
Not only do Republicans take Congress for the first time in 40 years, but gigantic majorities in the House and the Senate.
We had so many Republicans in the Senate that they had to, the way your offices are assigned, they go to what your previous job was.
So if you were a senator, obviously you're above a House member and then they go to like governors and then Wow.
state legislatures, that sort of thing.
We had so many new members, all Republicans, they had to go to a little known rule, the order in which your state was admitted to the union.
unidentified
Wow.
ann coulter
Now the stuff we got done, the changes to immigration, the changes to the death penalty, we had no death penalty in America.
I mean, they've sort of rolled a lot of these changes back.
They've rolled a lot of the immigration changes back.
But one of the big changes that I remembered when I read the story, and that's what I wrote about, was it used to be kids could never get adopted.
Mom, you know, the crack-addicted mom would put the baby in the vat of boiling water, and the judge would say, yep, going back to her.
And so kids would be foster care, mom would beat the crap out of her.
Foster care, mom beats the crap out of her.
And it would go on for years.
They'd never get adopted, so we passed a law Safety first.
Children's safety first.
And more than half as many kids have been saved by that, like a thousand a year.
So, I'm sorry, you ask about next year, and I just want Republicans to be serious and not be defeatist and not be like the Tea Party, because I also lived through that, where we had, woohoo, Christine O'Donnell took out a rhino, took out a rhino.
Yeah, okay, and we lost like half a dozen Senate seats and got Obamacare.
Winning majorities is important.
Winning majorities is fun.
Please stop saying, you know, chaos, war!
No, we have the upper hand right now.
They are pushing crime.
They are pushing open borders.
They are pushing transgenders.
Just keep your heads, Republicans, and stop doing the defeatist crap.
dinesh d'souza
I mean, thinking back to the Reagan years, nobody used the phrase RINO.
I mean, there were moderate Republicans, but the understanding was they're Republicans.
I mean, there's a reason they have an R at the end of their name.
unidentified
They're not wearing it as a mask.
dinesh d'souza
That's right.
They're not fake.
And we don't want to kick them out.
Our job is to actually reign them in and bring them into the team.
And I think the lesson of Reagan was that he was philosophically very grounded.
But temperamentally very genial.
The cocked head, the easy-going manner.
And that allows people, even who are to the left of you, to go, OK, well, this guy's going to hear me out.
He's going to meet me halfway.
He has a conservative destination, but he's pragmatic about getting from here to there.
And we've lost all that.
In fact, I would say that our defining characteristic on the right has been philosophically unsteady, but temperamentally fanatical.
Yes!
ann coulter
Well put!
dinesh d'souza
So you've got all these guys who are, they're not that strong on the issues, but they're kooks.
unidentified
Yes!
God bless you!
dinesh d'souza
It's a really bad combination.
So there's a lot of lessons to be learned, I think.
And I mean, you mentioned the Trump-DeSantis thing.
I mean, to me, they both bring different things to the table.
And in a healthy Republican Party, you'd have both elements.
And what are the two elements I'm talking about here?
Well, with DeSantis, a ruthless operational efficiency, which is critical to government.
Somebody who knows how to burrow into the bureaucracy, fire that guy, change this rule.
That's really important stuff.
But the other part of it is this, well, it's the larger than life quality that I think Reagan had and Trump does have.
I mean, if DeSantis walked into this room right now, we'd be like, hey, there's Ron DeSantis.
But if Trump walked into this room right now, a kind of electric current would go through the room.
And I've seen this happen time and time again.
ann coulter
And I think that explains... That would be my mace going off.
dinesh d'souza
Well it may be and but see here the point is you're telling us who you think the best guy for the job is.
I think we have to explain why the majority of the Republican base is continually and naturally attracted to Trump.
That's what needs explanation.
ann coulter
I agree with you, and to put another way what you just put, you remind me, this is what used to drive me crazy about Trump, you'd get these wild statements and the press would act as if once it comes out of his mouth it's happened.
And so our side would think, whoa, that's so great.
He's going to end Anchor Babies.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
But he never ended Anchor Babies.
ann coulter
But what you want is you want to be like a duck.
This is what you just remind me of how you need to have a friendly demeanor and that sort of thing.
You want to be floating peacefully on top of the water.
unidentified
But underneath, you're peddling, peddling, peddling, peddling, you're going crazy!
Trump was exactly the reverse above the water!
ann coulter
It's crazy!
Nantes, whoa, drowning!
And nothing's actually happening.
And nothing's happening below the water.
tim pool
Why do you think it is that, I think, what was it, about a year and a half ago, a year ago, Ron DeSantis was the favorite.
He was polling better.
He, in the prediction markets, he was in the top spot.
Trump was in second place.
As of right now, unpredicted, he's in third place behind Nikki Haley.
ann coulter
What causes the indictments?
The utterly BS indictments against Trump.
I think the left is playing us, like playing the Republican Party.
tim pool
Nikki Haley's beating Randa Santana.
ann coulter
First, let's deal with Trump.
And then I'll deal with it.
dinesh d'souza
But I mean, are you saying that what I'm saying is the left has orchestrated the indictments so that Trump Does become the nominee?
ann coulter
No, I think they genuinely are there.
Luckily, they're crazies.
They're moving in the same direction.
So you have the smart ones like Carville and Axelrod realizing, hey, if we keep doing these BS attacks, another Russian investigation would be great.
But that won't work because that gins up people.
It's totally unfair.
It's like going to the doctor's office and he hits your knee with a metal pallet.
You just you can't help when someone who is being unfairly attacked and all except that the Florida indictment is is a real crime.
But put a pin in that.
He was dead in the water, Trump was.
I mean, you can see it from the polling.
When he announced nobody was there, nobody cared, he was dead.
That's when DeSantis was beating him.
And after that first indictment in New York, that's the first time Trump's polls went up.
And they won't stop talking about it, and they keep doing these BS unfair indictments.
So the smart ones, Axelrod and that type, are saying, This is fantastic.
We're going to trick them into making Trump their nominee.
And that's our re-election plan for Joe Biden.
And then, you know, Joy Ann Reads and the entire MSNBC, the entire network, they just genuinely, genuinely hate Trump.
So it works perfectly, perfectly together.
But that's when his numbers went up.
unidentified
And I mean, we'll see what But why wasn't DeSantis able to maintain the momentum that he initially had at that point?
ann coulter
It's Trump's numbers going up.
It's not like people are leaving DeSantis.
And Nikki, I think it's the donors, the neocon warmonger donors.
unidentified
She's got Will Hurd's endorsement, the CIA operative.
tim pool
If we pull up 538's polling aggregate, it shows you a bunch of the polls.
I don't know if it's all of the polls, but it's a list of a large amount of polls.
We can see in the latest that from Beacon Research and Shaw, which is a Fox News sponsored poll, Trump beats Biden by two points, Haley by four, DeSantis by two.
And then in another one of their same polls, they found Biden beating Trump by one.
Interesting.
We have this from Morning Consult showing DeSantis loses to Biden by three and Trump loses to Biden by one.
There are a couple polls here that show DeSantis performing worse than Donald Trump in this one, but still winning.
Premise has DeSantis beating Biden by 3 points and 2 points, and then we have Trump beating, this is amazing, this is coming from Premise, Trump beating Biden by 10 points.
I think the polls and the prediction markets are reflecting something it's not, so I don't know.
ann coulter
I think our next podcast should be in the Newt Gingrich Presidential Museum.
Because he was crushing the polls December before the election where he was wiped out.
Or we could meet in the Rudy Giuliani presidential museum the year before, crushing, crushing the polls.
No one came close.
Or the Liddy Dole presidential museum.
Now she wasn't crushing them, but she was neck and neck with Bush.
Or the Fred Thompson presidential polls.
The year before an election, it's mostly name recognition.
Now, it could still end up being the most well-known name in the universe right now, but I don't think the polls right now mean very much.
dinesh d'souza
Granted that, I do think that we need to explain what's in front of us, right?
We need to say why things are right now.
Admittedly, things can change the way they are.
And I think that with DeSantis, there is a... And I like DeSantis, and DeSantis was actually helpful to me when I had my case with the Obama administration.
He was then a congressman.
There's something a little prosaic about him.
He feels like he's giving you kind of a policy lecture of sorts.
The thing about Trump that is so paradoxical is that Trump lives in this sort of gold-glittered Mar-a-Lago world, but there's a relatability to him that people pick up very quickly.
I mean, I've seen in the just... I mean, I'm talking about Hispanics in the Rio Grande Valley.
These are basically working-class people.
They love Trump.
I mean, they get in their cars and they make the big Trump train.
They're not gonna do a DeSantis train.
They don't have that same I don't know if that's something that can be politically taught, but you recognize it when you see it.
ann coulter
I think you have to go with the personality you have.
I mean, you're right.
Luckily, we don't have to run against Obama again.
I think Obama was the most talented politician, certainly, of my lifetime.
Reagan would probably come in second.
But now, I mean, forgetting their policies, For one thing, the country has kind of switched back and forth between someone with a charisma and someone with no charisma, so that is helpful.
But you have to go with who you are and what you are.
I don't think Richard Nixon had a dazzling, charismatic personality, and except for a few things, he was an extremely good president.
tim pool
So Ian Crossland, who's on Timcast IRL, said that he recently listened to a Trump rally for like the first time, and it was hilarious.
Then he comes back a couple days, you know, like yesterday, and he's like, he's considering voting for Trump for the first time.
And I got invited to the White House a couple years ago for the social media summit, and anybody who's been to a Trump rally, he's doing stand-up.
dinesh d'souza
It is, it is... He is a comedian.
tim pool
It's political.
dinesh d'souza
Absolutely.
ann coulter
It is, it's, it's, it's, you know, when I was... I can't imagine this being his first time hearing a Trump rally.
By the 14th time, it's not so much fun.
He's been saying the exact same things for 70 years.
unidentified
Non-political people never hear him.
dinesh d'souza
You and I go on book tours.
We give speeches.
We're giving the same speech 20 times, but not to the same people.
tim pool
So Ian, absolutely.
ann coulter
I think a lot of people, Ian, I think very unusual if this is the first time he's seen Trump speak.
tim pool
Absolutely, it's true for a lot of people.
I don't think so.
Brandon Strzok tells the story about how he just believed what the media had been saying and then when he tried to debunk this claim he ended up actually proving Trump was right and the media was lying because he had never actually watched him speak before.
A lot of people The only thing they hear from Trump is what the CNN or MSNBC is going to tell them.
They don't actually listen to his speeches.
ann coulter
In 2016, the media thought showing Trump was hurting him.
You couldn't turn on CNN or MSNBC or a lot of C-SPAN.
It was Fox that was against him then, of course.
His speeches were running 24-7.
They thought it helped.
tim pool
And Ian doesn't watch the news?
ann coulter
Okay, I'm sure there are.
Well, okay, that's why I don't trust the polls right now, by the way.
But I think that is not, I don't think that's proof.
dinesh d'souza
Well, I think, let me put it this way.
I think we're missing an element of Trump that makes him different than other politicians.
Let's just say that we have a typical politician, Republican or Democrat, that meets with Kim Jong Un.
You know, and comes out and is they'll have a statement.
The two of us conducted a discussion.
Very substantive issues were raised.
We raised our concerns about human rights, blah, blah, blah.
People have heard this a hundred times.
They tune it right out.
Trump will come out and he'll be like, man, I.
You know, I asked him if he knew what Rocketman meant and I gave him a CD and the room was, you know, he was a really short guy and he was eating, you know, a pretzel while we were talking.
And so people are like fascinated because they're like, I'm not in politics.
I don't know what these summits are like.
But when I listen to Trump, I'm listening to a real guy tell me that this guy's fat and he's thin and he farted during our conversation and he was overeating, whereas every other politician is giving me a kind of a prepared memo.
And I think that's a lot of what people... I don't find that attractive at all.
ann coulter
I mean, maybe you do and young men do.
It's interesting.
dinesh d'souza
It may not be attractive.
ann coulter
In order to win elections, we need suburban women, we need independents, we need conservative Democrats, we need the rhinos you were talking about who do have the R after their name.
And I think most of that crap from Trump, I mean, it was 100% worth it.
There's a reason I wrote in Trump We Trust for the promises he was making.
But and also when you talk about, you know, the bold statements and the things he comes out and says.
Yeah, what I remember was build the wall, and I'm going to deport illegals so fast your head will spin.
And Dreamers, I want Americans to have dreams.
And gun-free zones don't work.
And then he gets elected and says, I'm in favor of taking their guns first.
Oh, you guys are afraid of the NRA.
Bumstock ban.
Not me.
Bumstock ban.
Nothing on illegals, nothing on the wall.
So I remember those.
You can't really make those statements, and manifestly so did a lot of His base voters because the only demographic that went down compared to 2016 in 2020 was white men and it went down a lot and it went down in all those states across the upper Midwest that he needed to win.
Oh yeah, he didn't need the NRA.
Turns out maybe he should have been afraid of the NRA.
unidentified
So what gets those people back in the states that Trump needs to win or what gets independent voters this year?
Is there one issue that you think, I mean, I assume you're gonna say immigration.
ann coulter
Of course immigration!
Of course, immigration, crime, transgenders.
I mean, the wokeness stuff, and the one thing, if I could advise DeSantis, the one way I think he should modify the wokeness thing is it's not just about kindergartners.
And I think people are too focused on the schools on that.
What is wokeness?
It's anti-white racism.
Plus cartoons of anal sex.
That's basically the full panoply of what, it's the D.I.E.
bureaucracies.
It's the race before merit thing.
It's no longer deciding things on the basis of merit.
It is the anti-white male hatred that animates the left.
dinesh d'souza
You said earlier in this very discussion that white people are the only group that have been taught to hate themselves.
ann coulter
I think they do it on their own.
dinesh d'souza
Alright, they do it on their own and maybe they're taught to do it, but how do you think then running a campaign appealing to white people and saying in effect that there's this anti-white ideology in the country, how is that going to be a winning technique?
ann coulter
Well manifestly I don't think, I mean if all white people were liberals, Oh, what a horrible, horrible thought.
Then we'd have no, we wouldn't get a single vote in any presidential election.
No, I'm saying working class white guys, working class white guys.
They don't hate white people.
No, the vast majority of white people don't hate themselves.
There are enough in European countries, there are enough in this country to have suicidal immigration policies, to have suicidal hiring policies.
If it were 100%, Then literally you might as well go and commit suicide.
Republicans would never win a single election, nothing would happen anyplace.
But no, obviously Trump got elected one time by appealing to mostly working class whites who hadn't voted for a long, long time.
And But mostly, I just think it's true, the anti-white racism.
I think it's true, and it's hurting everyone.
I'm worried about, you know, the pilots they're hiring.
I'm worried about the air traffic controllers they're hiring.
It's destroying all of our lives, and they're treating black people like they're children and patting them on the head when they're shoplifting and carjacking.
But I would make the wokeness anti-white racism crime and immigration.
unidentified
What do you think are getting, independents in particular, to the polls?
dinesh d'souza
I think that we just run a scorched earth campaign against Biden and what the Biden regime is doing.
unidentified
So what are the Biden regime's three biggest sins?
dinesh d'souza
Well, its biggest sin now is a wholesale assault on the basic liberty of Americans.
I mean, when I came to America in the 70s, I was a teenager, and there was a big political debate going on.
But one of the things that really consoled me or relieved me about America, I'm like, There are certain basic rights.
They're right there in the Bill of Rights.
It's not a full compendium of our rights, but right to free speech, right to conscience, right to assemble.
You can petition the government without fear for grievances.
Equal justice under the law.
And I'm like, this is not...
Up for political negotiation.
It doesn't matter if 90% of people don't agree with me, they can't shut me up, right?
So now we fast forward to now, and I say that within two or three years, all these basic rights, every single one of them, is in serious jeopardy.
I'm not even sure with a straight face I could say that we are, in a pure sense, a free country anymore.
Think of what the defining characteristics of tyrannical regimes are.
Let's take North Korea, China, or the old Soviet Union.
Mass surveillance of citizens, Systematic censorship.
Wholesale indoctrination in the schools and the media.
A one-party state.
Police states are one-party states.
They shut down the opposition.
Doesn't mean they don't have elections.
Iran has elections.
China has elections.
But it's a controlled opposition that's subordinate to the regime.
Political prisoners, criminalization of dissent.
And I say, wow, we have all that right now in this country.
So that's the point of making a movie called Police State, is saying we're not there yet.
Obviously, if we were a full-fledged police state, I couldn't make this movie.
I mean, I'd be locked up right now.
But we are headed in with great speed and unexpected rapidity toward a country in which none of our rights anymore are safe.
unidentified
Do you feel like this is something that the average American is aware of, or do you think that, you know, inflation... They know about January 6th.
I was going to say, what issues distract people?
It's not that I disagree with your point, but, you know, when you are talking about voters, if you say your rights are being stripped away, is that more impactful to them than saying, you can't pay for groceries this month because inflation is so high?
dinesh d'souza
Well, yeah, it's not one or the other, right?
I mean, just like you can run on the economy and you can run on the transgender issue, one doesn't contradict the other.
But I think you have to... I mean, the reason to make a film is to do a wake-up call for people who are not woken up, right?
If they were already woken up, the film is, in a sense, pointless.
I kind of feel like the animal who's, you know, sees the predator in the trees.
I'm trying to warn the herd.
But the ordinary guy is saying, no.
The ordinary guy goes, I'm not Trump.
And you know, I didn't go in the Capitol on January 6th and I pay my taxes.
So, you know, I'm never going to have the FBI come smashing through my door.
And my point is, you could not be more wrong.
unidentified
Sure.
dinesh d'souza
Because this thing has devolved very quickly in a short time.
ann coulter
Although it's awful what was done to the January 6 protesters, and people should know about it, certainly people who watch this podcast and be annoyed by it.
By and large, I would avoid bringing up January 6.
I wrote a book on mobs, demonic.
They're always, always dangerous.
It's the French Revolution versus the American Revolution.
And when I wrote that book, and up until January 6, I could say without fear of contradiction, there has never been a right-wing mob.
And January 6th, I understand why people thought it was Antifa at first.
I understand why the Capitol policemen said, no, we don't need, or I don't know, Nancy Pelosi, the rest of them, they weren't bringing in.
There hadn't been a right-wing mob before, and now there's finally been one.
And we're all gonna be in the nursing home someday and they're still gonna be talking about January 6th.
It does not reflect well on us.
They weren't idiots, they shouldn't have gone to prison for, you know, two life terms and so on and so forth.
What was done to Enrique Tarrio, absolutely outrageous, but generally I'd avoid talking about it.
tim pool
Why be so deferential to the left?
ann coulter
Because I don't think it helps us for people to remember what happened on January 6th.
I think that scares independents.
I think it scares suburban moms.
I think it pisses off a lot of Republicans.
I mean, it kind of pisses me off.
Both sides, that they did it, and then the wild, crazy overreaction.
I mean, my last book was Resistance is Fusile, and the point of it was, And we're never ever going to get away from it.
Trump does something dumb.
And then the left has such a crazy overreaction.
I end up coming to his defense.
unidentified
No, he said something dumb, but he didn't kill three nuns.
ann coulter
No MSNBC.
He didn't nail a kitten to church doors.
And they keep overreacting and forcing me to defend whether it's Trump or the January 6th people.
Your reaction is so out of proportion to everything that just happened, you're making me switch sides.
tim pool
So the issue for me is that politics means very little.
If the attitude everyone's going to have is, when the left cries, we answer.
Why?
If they come out and they're like, Trump said a naughty word, I'll say, you're a moron, have a nice day.
Yes.
The stories you're putting forward are meaningless to me.
Yes.
Every single time there's a story that, if something happens, And let's say there's a story that Andy Ngo tweeted about.
A swastika appeared on some cars in a black neighborhood.
The left went nuts and started screaming about it.
Turns out it was a black man who did it.
And then it's gone.
So if the anti-establishment forces, conservatives, the right, libertarians, do not put all of their energy into cultural domination, it's pointless because the conversation we end up having is Donald Trump said a thing that was innocuous and it became front page news and we all must answer for it.
No!
Now it's...
Start setting the news cycle.
We need to set the news.
We've been doing it quite a bit.
I should say, I mean, we as an anti-establishment forces calling out Joe Biden on Burisma and keeping Hunter Biden in the spotlight, forcing them to answer to us.
dinesh d'souza
Exactly.
And I think also what happens with things like January 6th is a kind of, you know, the smoke arises and a narrative appears.
And even we who know that the narrative is false start believing it.
So, for example, they wanted to stop the count.
Well, no.
What was actually going on in January 6th in that building was challenging the election.
That was the count that was stopped.
It was the challenge that was stopped.
So, did the people who go into that building, were they trying to stop the challenge?
No.
The Democrats actually had had an incentive to stop the challenges.
And in fact, the challenges were stopped because right after January 6, it's like, OK, let's just go quickly and certify Joe Biden.
So now you begin to see that the other side has a motive for having those people in the building.
unidentified
Yeah.
And then it was a more convoluted fire alarm.
dinesh d'souza
Exactly.
So the January 6th committee knows all this and they're like, listen, we can't let this cat out of the bag.
So we need to construct a careful public narrative and make sure everybody signs on the dotted line.
ann coulter
They want people thinking about January 6th.
They want to keep showing those videos because every time those videos are shown, no matter what, we know what happened later, but it was not good for the right wing.
It was not good for freedom for that to happen.
tim pool
And what needs to happen is for every anti-establishment media outlet to run non-stop footage and videos of May 29th, when they firebombed the White House.
ann coulter
Yes!
tim pool
But for some reason... Yes!
ann coulter
Or how about burning down the Minneapolis Police Station?
tim pool
That was... That was... But firebombing the White House, I would say is actually worse Yes.
ann coulter
And attacking that beautiful church.
tim pool
And the church.
What ended up happening was, it was the White House grounds that were firebombed, they set fire to a guard post, was torched, and they torched the church across the street.
There were thousands of far leftists, hundreds of law enforcement injured, and I guarantee you if you go to a regular person and ask them about May 29th, they'll say, Yes, you're absolutely right.
Because what happens is, May 29th happens, and the right marches behind the New York Times.
Too many Republicans care more about the opinion of the New York Times than their own constituents, and so the narrative is always framed by the left and Democrats.
ann coulter
I think, could I, sorry, I just want to put a footnote onto that.
I don't think you can blame the Republicans for this.
The left controls the media.
They really, really do.
tim pool
Only because they let them.
No, no, no.
unidentified
Because Republicans, Donald Trump keeps giving interviews to people who lie about him.
ann coulter
Well, that is true.
tim pool
Stop.
ann coulter
That is true.
All these, and he did not give interviews to the people who supported him during the campaign.
But I just remember when I was working for the Senate Judiciary Committee, my friends would be calling me saying, why aren't you covering, you know, X, Y, Z, this thing or the other thing?
And I'd say we just had three hearings on it.
We've been putting out press releases.
We're calling everyone, giving you this information.
How do you not know?
tim pool
Blacklist them.
Why Republicans?
ann coulter
You are there.
I agree with you, but they're still going to dominate the media.
And yes, that's a very good point you're making.
tim pool
Let them not have access to any information coming from from the right or the anti-establishment side.
Let them be left questioning what's going on.
ann coulter
And by the way, you know who's following your policy?
tim pool
Who's that?
ann coulter
Ron DeSantis.
tim pool
Well, didn't he do an interview with CNN?
ann coulter
Very rarely!
He's been governor for, what, six years?
And you don't see him talking to the liberal media.
It's kind of hilarious, and they're really bitter about it.
tim pool
I guess anti-establishment personalities know this and will post the emails from... They'll get an email from a journalist being like, hi, we'd like a comment and they'll be like, screw off.
And then they'll tweet it like, no, they will lie.
I always try to remind people, and for those that aren't familiar, I'll give you an example.
No matter what you say to these people, they will lie.
No matter what.
I'll give you an example.
Let's say...
You are emailed and asked about Israel-Hamas, saying, we're wondering what your stance is and do you condemn the terror attacks?
And you will be like, I'm going to craft the perfect message and say unequivocally we denounce the killing of civilians.
We think what Hamas did was an act of terror.
And we are upset to see these things happen.
We hope that peace can be attained and we're concerned even with Israel's responses.
Let's all work together.
You'll give them that quote.
If they can't run it, what they'll do is, they'll say, we reached out to Dinesh for comment and he responded with fear and agitation.
Clearly it felt that he supported terrorism.
They just won't run your quote.
And then when you say, hey, that's not true.
It's my opinion.
And you can't do anything about it.
dinesh d'souza
So now this is a very key point, I think, because it means that we need to have institutions that don't depend on them.
So when I was an author, for example, writing books, I'd do a book tour and I would gleefully give an interview to the New York Times knowing that they're out to stab me in the back because I'm an author, they've got a huge outlet, we don't have comparable outlets.
The great power, and I referred earlier to Jesse Helms, the great thing about Jesse Helms is he realized, I can get re-elected and I don't need the Raleigh News and Observer, I don't need a single of these outlets, I don't have to pander to them at all.
So, we have to build those kinds of things.
I've been trying to build a film company based on that.
I've got people, I've got an email list of a million people, I've got lots of people to share my content.
I don't have to return the New York Times' phone call because I've created and cultivated my own audience.
So we need to work harder at doing that in a lot of different spheres.
unidentified
And I know a lot of people who will say, I will only take your questions via email and then I'm going to respond to you via email and then I'm going to independently publish my exact responses and the questions that you sent me.
ann coulter
That's what I do.
Give one sentence response and never... I'll give you one funny example of this.
What an idiot that guy was.
Jake Sherman?
Is he the one who wrote the book about ales?
Could you Google that for me?
So anyway, whoever it was who was writing the book about ales kept, he knew everybody, every journalist I knew in New York and they all keep saying, will you talk to him?
Will you talk to him?
Will you talk to him?
And I kept saying, oh, absolutely.
And he'd email me and he kept insisting that I call him.
No way was I calling him.
So I kept emailing back saying, sure, what's your question?
unidentified
Yeah.
ann coulter
And by the way, I knew nothing about Ailes.
I was a guest.
I wasn't a host.
Yeah.
And the other thing is you're- Gabe Sherman, I think it is.
unidentified
Gabriel Sherman, that's what I have.
Loudest voice.
ann coulter
And then, so never talked to him because he wouldn't ask me a question by email or text.
But the funniest thing was his book came out right when the Roger Ailes scandal was breaking and he knew nothing.
I mean, if that doesn't end a journalism career, and it didn't!
It didn't!
dinesh d'souza
Well, the other thing you do is if you're doing a video interview, you video it too.
ann coulter
Yeah, right.
dinesh d'souza
And that way you've got the context, you've got, they put this out, well I guess this is what actually happened.
ann coulter
Somebody just did that, who did that?
unidentified
I can't remember.
ann coulter
I mean, I think... Remember somebody doing that, like Matt Gaetz or something?
unidentified
Somebody just did that.
I know people who this is like their standard practice, you cannot be alone, especially maybe with any journalist, and I say that as a pseudo journalist here on TimCast, but any left-wing journalist You have to just be prepared to come with your own facts later.
I mean, it is like a Mike Pence rule with journalism, right?
We're not going to lunch alone, so you can misquote me.
And I think that is sad because obviously we would like to have objective journalism that represents both sides.
It's obviously a lost fight because we have to then build other institutions that are willing to do that.
But I wonder, going into this next year, as we move towards a less traditional publication realm, I mean, it's not just the New York Times that you have to combat, but it's the influencers on Twitter, someone who you can get a quote to first, how do you, I mean, maybe it's good because we have these other avenues of getting information out, and maybe it's bad because certain groups of people, independents, left-leaning, like socially left-leaning people, will only ever look to mainstream publications for their information.
I don't know what you think about that.
ann coulter
Well I think there are enough Tim Pools out there that it filters up to them.
One of my favorite hobbies is, I do read the The Treason Times every day.
unidentified
You have to know what they're saying!
ann coulter
But not, what I really find fun is reading the comments.
And, well, if you care anything about Trump, it's just going to be Trump bile, Trump bile, Trump bile, Trump bile.
But interestingly, for years, any article on immigration, and even before the latest migrant crisis, it has been a very unpopular issue, even with New York Times readers.
But it's interesting to see.
But the merit stuff I think is not popular.
I mean this is what I'm saying about how we are sitting pretty.
With issues that are, I say, 80-20 popular.
And those are the issues you want to run on.
Those are the issues you want candidates talking about.
It should be the merit stuff, the anti-white racism, you don't have to put it that way, you can talk about it as merit.
Immigration, crime, they're going to notice how much groceries are whether we tell them or not, but you can throw that one in.
And these are and the transgender stuff.
These are 80 20 issues.
If we could just get Republicans to talk about nothing else, no matter what they are asked, come back to one of those four issues.
tim pool
Joe Biden's favorability and job approval dropped below 50 percent after the failure in Afghanistan.
Surprisingly, a lot of Americans really cared about foreign policy, which was shocking to me, that it was such a disaster.
And I think it had to do with dead Americans.
It had to do with- It looks bad.
Refugee crisis.
And, uh, the story behind what happened was just shockingly appalling.
dinesh d'souza
Yeah, so that's the way you talk about foreign policy, the resurfacing of those weapons now with Hamas.
And this is where conservative investigative journalism comes into play, because you know that the left is not going to be checking that one out.
But if you can identify weaponry, rifles, bombs, rockets imported from Afghanistan through the jihadi network, That would be a very big story. - So I don't wanna say this is confirmed.
tim pool
There's just rumors circulating that there's videos of some of the jihadis have M4s.
I don't know enough about it, but the argument basically being like, these are not your typical weapons you see from like Russian era or Mujahideen or whatever.
Like these look like they may have come from the US.
But my point was simply what the left has done and what they're doing today with this global day of jihad, There's a bunch of news coming out right now about Hannah Clare Shedd Cutter saying they're going to cut off oil or whatever.
unidentified
If the bombing doesn't stop.
tim pool
If the bombing doesn't stop.
But I saw a photo of someone, a protester, holding up a sign saying, there is only one solution.
That image just needs to be run by every Republican across the board and says, please.
And they don't need to come out and be like, the left are terrorists.
You get a Republican on camera saying, To my constituents, please, please, just do not support this.
Here's an image of the left on campus calling for one solution against Israel.
Whatever you think, we cannot support this.
Thank you and have a nice day.
ann coulter
Well, also, I think it's very important right now for, I mean, they are doing it, but to make sure that this connection between BLM and the left and progressive movement in this country and Hamas, they can't be allowed to brush this under the rug.
tim pool
Every ad right now for everyone running for office should be just showing the far left saying, chanting, there is only one solution.
And then just a heartfelt, please don't support them, please don't.
dinesh d'souza
I mean, I've seen swastika images at these protests.
You've also, there was, I don't know if that was in this country, but the people chanting, gas the Jews.
So I mean, imagine having this stuff on video at your disposal for somebody.
tim pool
And they lie.
There was a video Andy Noh posted, a pro-Palestinian rally celebrating what was going on, and the speaker says, at pro-Palestine rallies we say, free, free Palestine.
At white supremacist rallies they say, kill Arabs.
That's not a chant used by anybody, no one's saying that.
And then he says, this is hilarious, he says, at leftist protests you see Palestinian flags, at white supremacist rallies you see Israeli flags.
Then the ADL comes out and tweets, white supremacists celebrate attack on Israel, and it's just like, I'm sorry, left, your narrative is gone.
It is nonsensical and makes no sense.
At this point, there was a story that came out earlier this week, MSNBC, this is going to surprise you guys, you're in media, MSNBC's ratings went down by 33% as war erupted.
ann coulter
Really?
tim pool
That is shocking for anybody who knows anything about cable news.
Cable news ratings skyrocket during wartime MSNBC and the argument is they decided to show a joint death count of Gaza and Israel and people stopped watching.
ann coulter
Well, also that audience and I'm a regular MSNBC viewer and even I can't do it anymore.
It's 24-7 Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump.
But the most boring every little thing in every little case.
So I always imagine these, you know, like the long haul COVID liberal women in New York City sitting in their apartments obsessed.
And what's going on with Trump now?
So think about this.
Israel has nothing to do with Trump.
tim pool
I've covered conflict and crisis.
I've not covered overt war, but I was in Ukraine right before it became civil war.
There's Molotov, there's firebombs.
I've been in places, I was in Ferguson getting shot at.
I have seen some pretty intense situations.
And when the story came out that the former Hamas leader called for a global day of jihad, I felt, my heart sank a little bit.
I felt a grip in the pit of my stomach like, Oh crap.
Like this is worrying even to me, right?
Knowing what I know.
Imagine what those suburban moms are feeling right now when the police put out a notice to their homes saying Hamas is calling for terror and jihad.
They're probably worried.
My kids are going to school.
They're calling the school.
Is everything going to be okay?
Do I have to worry about this?
And then they see BLM saying, we love it.
That's the commercial that Republicans need to run.
unidentified
You have the Tufts University Justice for Palestine group calling it creative.
They said they're praising their creative solutions.
Isn't that crazy?
ann coulter
Wait, what's the creative?
unidentified
They were calling the attack creative?
That was the Tufts University quote.
dinesh d'souza
This thing has sent a kind of a shiver of delight throughout the whole jihadi world because normally these guys are used to getting their butts kicked by Israel.
I mean Israel, think of all the wars, I mean eight countries attack Israel, Israel kind of pistol whips them all and then kind of dusts off and so being able to penetrate Israeli territory, have your way with Israeli homes, you know, this has been kind of a fun fest for these characters, but you're right, I think politically it's And BLM.
tim pool
Suburban moms worried about their kids right now are asking themselves, are my children going to be safe from these Hamas terror attacks?
Now, that's not overtly political.
That's a fear everyone's going to have.
But then when you see the far left and Black Lives Matter celebrating it, they're celebrating your fear and your terror.
ann coulter
Yes.
And I've I've watched a lot of these videos.
I'm sure you guys have, too.
What I notice is of the of the of the Arabs, let's call them, because they could be Christian, but could be Muslim.
They all seem to have, and these are the protests in this country, I'd say 90% of them have a foreign accent.
These are immigrants.
And of the ones at these rallies with pure American accents, it's very, very heavily black people from the Black Lives Matter movement.
tim pool
Well this is, we learned, Patrice Cullors.
She said in 2015 they wanted to end Israel.
What does anyone think that means?
Do they think it just means that they changed the name and everyone holds hands under a rainbow?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
That's not what it means.
ann coulter
Can you look up, you guys have computers, look up some of the biggest donors to BLM.
I know we had a lot of celebrities.
unidentified
Tons.
And are they saying anything?
dinesh d'souza
Major corporations poured tons of money into these companies.
ann coulter
I think this would be a good time to list some of these.
dinesh d'souza
It's not just the Hollywood elite.
tim pool
Cisco, Eaves, Etsy, GrubHub.
dinesh d'souza
Bank of America, you know, the run-of-the-mill big corporations pouring money into people.
ann coulter
How about Jeff Bezos?
tim pool
IBM, Microsoft, Niantic, Peloton, Reddit, Shopify, Uber, Comcast, Slack, PayPal, Andreessen Horowitz.
Oh, that one's really interesting.
Bumble, DocuSign, DoorDash.
And this is a website that's praising their support.
ann coulter
It's like, look for companies that support BLM.
Oh, and Bezos' wife.
I don't think Bezos would have done it.
He probably gave to historically black colleges, but how about Bezos' wife?
tim pool
I don't know, but this one's shocking.
Ben and Jerry's.
unidentified
Where's their statement?
tim pool
No, for real!
Why would anyone want to be buying Ben & Jerry's when they've overtly supported this?
Is this crazy?
Netflix?
Bank of America?
Man.
ann coulter
Oh, I remember Bank of America.
dinesh d'souza
You know, for the first time with the Harvard case when two things happened.
One is that there started to be exposés of what these students and these left-wing organizations were doing.
Corporate guys saying we want a list of these guys so we don't hire them, you know?
And then I think it was Accuracy in Media, one of the conservative groups took a bus and put these guys' names on the bus and were driving all over Boston and Harvard Square and apparently these people are freaking out and all pulling their names now as signatories.
Normally our side doesn't have the ingenuity or the imagination to pull this kind of thing off.
It's always the left.
ann coulter
I wish they hadn't done it so quickly.
I want to lure more of them into our trap.
tim pool
Do you guys know that swastikas were extremely common in the United States in like the early 1900s?
ann coulter
Oh yeah, before Hitler, it was very popular across.
tim pool
So I went to an antique store, and this is in Austin, and the guy actually had swastika keychains and a bunch of, and I was kind of shocked by that.
I was like, aren't you concerned that like someone's going to come and he's like, I don't care.
I know what these things are.
It's an antique store.
We're representing what they were.
When the Nazis came in, they took the symbol.
But I think about what's really interesting in that there was a lot of support for Nazis in the United States before World War II.
There were people in the U.S.
who were like, hey, we like these ideas.
I wonder if what we're seeing now, imagining the basketball courts with Black Lives Matter, the billboards, if there will come a time in 20 or 30 years, or maybe 50, where they look back and like, can you believe they were supporting these anti-Semitic groups?
And then what we talk about is after World War II, everyone kind of says like, we started getting rid of the stuff, saying it was bad, we don't want to be involved in this.
And all of a sudden, everyone just recoiled.
I think it was like the Bush family were Nazis like early on before World War II, because it was more common in the United States.
Now, I think with what's happening with Hamas, and even after you've got these bank CEOs saying, we're going to blacklist all these Harvard students.
There are Harvard students panicking.
They're like, no, no, no, no.
Bunch of college students are doubling down.
That Yale professor is saying settlers aren't civilians.
They're doubling down.
They're marching through the streets.
ann coulter
I think they're going to spring back on this one.
I don't think this one will last.
Just a prediction.
I don't know.
Because, you know, the black thing in America, it's always, always going to be, no, we must treat them like children.
That's the liberal approach.
tim pool
Yes, but the organization, right?
So the swastika wasn't an evil symbol when it started.
ann coulter
They may change the name, but it's going to be the same nonsense.
unidentified
Sure, sure.
tim pool
But my point is, just to finish my point, I'm saying we're going to look back at Black Lives Matter like we do the swastika.
We're going to say these groups were evil, terroristic.
ann coulter
I hope you're right.
I think they're going to weasel out of it.
That's just my prediction.
I think the one we are going to look back at as if it's Dr. Mengele is the poisoning and mutilating of adolescents.
tim pool
Well, yeah, like lobotomies.
I mean, we look at these documents.
ann coulter
I think that is going to be like a lobotomy like Dr. Mengele, but they're going to weasel out the Black Lives Matter.
tim pool
But but look, we'll see.
ann coulter
So I hope you're right.
tim pool
Certainly we can argue the eugenicists changed their names, right?
They said, oh, we're not for that anymore.
But Planned Parenthood still exists overwhelmingly in minority neighborhoods or near them.
unidentified
Because they need it, apparently.
tim pool
But so I think.
The branding of BLM is this.
I can't imagine a recovery of the brand Black Lives Matter.
You already had the corruption scandal.
You've already had questions about where all the money went.
Donations are already drying up because people are pissed off about this.
And now you've got them posting in direct support for overt acts of terror and the killing of children.
It's like, dude.
If they can recover from killing children, I don't know, man.
ann coulter
They've gotten thousands upon thousands more black people killed because of Black Lives Matter.
You notice that's not one of the reasons they may go under.
tim pool
There is a very famous viral video where two white women are vandalizing a black neighborhood with young black women begging them to stop saying, what do you think you're doing?
Like, don't worry, we're doing this for you.
And they're like, you're destroying our home.
Like, get out of here.
ann coulter
Wait, explain that video again?
tim pool
There are two white, it's like two white Antifa, it might be dudes, and they're like vandalizing property during a riot in Black Garb, and there are two local black women.
ann coulter
Antifa, got it.
tim pool
Yeah, and there's two black women being like, what the do you think you're doing?
And they're like, we're helping you.
And she's like, no, you're not.
You're destroying our neighborhood.
Get out of here.
When I was in Ferguson, that's what I saw.
The locals, mostly black, were like, they linked arms to protect the liquor store that was being looted and vandalized, saying, these people are stealing from us.
Please help.
What did the white leftists write?
They wrote, in defense of looting, that the people in Ferguson looting were resisting the machine.
I'm like, the locals in the neighborhood were begging for help because their neighbor was being destroyed.
And the Black Lives Matter rioters, half of whom are white liberals, We're engaging in the destruction of this neighborhood.
unidentified
Well, the white liberals think they know better.
I mean, it's exactly the point from earlier.
There is an infantilization.
We know that this is going to help you.
So even though you are saying you're hurting my actual property, you don't understand.
And I mean, I just don't understand how if you were a black voter in America, you can look at the past four years and say this has been good for me.
ann coulter
Yeah.
unidentified
Right.
And I wonder how that will play out in 2024.
tim pool
It is remarkable when you look at the polls.
dinesh d'souza
Yeah, I mean, the genius of the left is to destroy a city and yet nevertheless be able to count on that city putting Democrats, and in some cases Chicago being a classic example, it's the far left Democrat that gets elected the next round.
It's like, wow, you're not tired of getting kicked in the face?
You want some more?
tim pool
Did you guys look?
I actually tracked this when the Chicago election happened.
Did you look at the breakdown of the city by who they voted for?
Almost 100%, except for one area.
The neighborhoods voted based on race.
That's it.
The Latino neighborhoods voted for Latino.
The white neighborhoods voted for the white guy.
The black neighborhoods voted for the black candidate.
And when you look at the black neighborhoods in Chicago, the top three candidates among their choices, all black.
When you look at the white neighborhood, it's like white, and then like white, and then like Hispanic, and then black.
The one neighborhood that was different was the northern part of the city, which is more left liberal, like woke.
And this was a majority white area that voted for the far leftist Brandon Johnson.
What I found fascinating is that was basically the deciding factor.
That the woke people who are white, white liberals, voted in.
But it was fascinating to me, it's unfortunate that you look at a city like Chicago, which is very racially segregated.
Uh, and mostly by choice.
People choose to live in these areas based on race, and they only vote based on race.
Not all of them, but, like, overwhelmingly, that's clearly in the, in the, in the, in the, in the electoral, election map.
ann coulter
Tim, it's our greatest strength.
tim pool
Oh, I mean, you can argue about... I'm being sarcastic!
No, no, I understand.
I'm saying these neighborhoods aren't diverse, right?
ann coulter
No, it isn't diversity.
It's what I think Dinesh was saying.
It's all these little ethnic ghettos and it's getting worse and worse and balkanization.
I mean, we're importing these ethnic hatreds.
I love when we see these videos of two groups from a country I've barely heard of the country.
I certainly haven't heard of the two groups that hate one another, and they're fighting.
Why are we importing these ethnic conflicts?
This isn't our problem!
dinesh d'souza
You know, what I find interesting about these cities is that it looks like there are two distinct leftist models of destroying a city.
They're not the same.
There's the Chicago model, and there's the San Francisco model.
unidentified
Ah, yes.
dinesh d'souza
Now, in the San Francisco model, the murder rate in the city, not that high.
tim pool
But the feces rate.
dinesh d'souza
Exactly.
So what I'm getting at is you can't go anywhere in San Francisco without some homeless guy, you know, giving you the finger or taking your chicken wing off your plate.
It's a low level harassment, but it's throughout the city.
Now go to Chicago and it's very different.
All the violence is in one area.
It's concentrated.
So there are other parts of the city that are completely fine.
But if you go into this area, gunshots run for your life.
And so it's almost like The left has accommodated to both.
In Chicago, they accommodate by saying, listen, I don't live there.
That's not my neighborhood.
I'm not going to get shot.
So I'm perfectly safe where I am.
And I can even vote for this kind of stuff because that'll make me cool.
In San Francisco, they go, well, I'm not going to get killed.
Yeah, some homeless guy is going to be shouting at me and he's obviously- He might steal my car.
He might steal my car.
He's obviously nuts.
But my compassion is not going to cost me that much.
So they're able to take the stance in both places but on a different rationale.
unidentified
And both cities get wrecked in the process.
dinesh d'souza
And both cities get wrecked.
unidentified
I think this is true of immigration too.
I was just reading the study that Louisiana's, so of the homes in Louisiana where English isn't the first language, it used to be French.
French was the dominant language and obviously there's a historical aspect to this.
And it's a unique culture to Louisiana which we lose, you know, we lose Cajun and All these other things.
And now the second most common language spoken at home outside of English is Spanish.
So we're about to lose an entirely unique American culture because we did not, number one, maintain it.
We did not say, hey, this is cool and interesting.
You guys have this.
And we also allowed Louisiana, which is close to the border, close to the Gulf of Mexico, to be affected by our devastating immigration.
So we are letting all of these left policies, both apathy within the two cities, these justifications for allowing violence or homelessness or crime, As well as not letting any of these cities protect their unique cultural heritage.
ann coulter
And to Tim's point, it's not diverse.
It's all Hispanic.
tim pool
It's segregated.
ann coulter
No, but the country isn't.
What Hannah was saying is Louisiana very French influenced the French food, the languages.
unidentified
And it doesn't exist outside of It does not.
This is unique not only to the U.S.
but to Louisiana and we're about to let it die.
ann coulter
And we had all these little areas that were really part of historic America.
Now it's all going to be overwhelmed Hispanic.
unidentified
We're homogenizing our culture.
tim pool
We're just about getting ready to wrap up so we'll do final thoughts and the last thing I want to mention on this topic before we close out is if you look at the southern border like in Texas where many people live, they're flying Mexican flags.
So, you wonder about the mass influx of non-citizens on the southern border, and then the people acquiring this property are flying the flag of the neighboring nation.
It makes you wonder about the jurisdiction of this property, but... Final thoughts, you guys, as we wrap up?
Ann?
dinesh d'souza
What will you be doing to celebrate the Global Day of Jihad?
tim pool
Hiring security and staying downstairs?
ann coulter
I will be traveling, so let me just say I totally feel for the Palestinians.
Is that enough?
Is that good?
No, actually the only thing I want to say is what I keep not saying.
AnnCoulter.substack.com.
I have columns, I have podcasts.
A few with Heather MacDonald whom I've mentioned here.
Sam Quinones of Dreamland about drugs.
Very, very interesting.
And I just send out jokes because I got sick of being shadow banned on Twitter.
So it's a lot of fun and most of it's free.
dinesh d'souza
Here's my promo, new film coming out in a couple of weeks, October 23rd and 25th.
It's going to be in hundreds of theaters.
But you can't buy tickets at Fandango or the theater.
You have to go to PoliceStateFilm.net.
And if you can't go to the theater, October 27th, virtual premiere.
We screen the film, live Q&A with Dan Bongino and me to follow.
And so PoliceStateFilm.net is the place to go.
unidentified
Nice.
And should anyone follow you guys on Twitter or any other social media channels?
ann coulter
I guess so, but you should go directly to at Anne Coulter because otherwise it won't show up in your feed.
tim pool
How many theaters is it going to be in?
dinesh d'souza
It's going to be in about 700 theaters.
And the cool thing is on our website, you just put in your zip code and boom, all the theaters around you will pop up.
So it makes it easy.
Also, you know, it's a fun movie to go in a group.
So, because you go with like-minded people, you get all fired up, you have lots to say, and you can talk about it right afterwards.
So, it's good to go with family or with a church group or go with your Republican or conservative friends.
tim pool
Awesome.
Yeah, I'll definitely check it out.
unidentified
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tim pool
Yeah.
And, uh, Callan, pressing the buttons.
unidentified
I don't know if you want to... I do not have a camera, but here I am.
Oh, right.
It was a great show.
Great, great, great show.
tim pool
Yeah, thank you.
Thank you both for... This was fun.
ann coulter
Thank you.
tim pool
Absolutely.
dinesh d'souza
Thank you guys.
unidentified
This was great.
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