The Culture War #26 - Trump VS DeSantis 2024, Laura Loomer Debates Bill Mitchell
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We're going to be discussing Trump vs. DeSantis 2024.
There have been a lot of polls coming out showing Vivek Ramaswamy has been jumping into second place.
It's back and forth.
Ron DeSantis has a PAC behind him.
He has lots of funds, but there's talk about donors maybe not sticking with him so much, but we'll see.
So today, We're gonna be having a discussion with Laura Loomer, Bill Mitchell, and Kyle Becker over their views of Trump versus DeSantis, and we have Laura Loomer hanging out right now, and I believe we have Bill, and Bill and Kyle are coming in?
So thanks so much for having me and inviting me to your studio.
My name is Laura Loomer.
And of course, we've known each other for several years, but I'm an investigative journalist.
I'm an activist.
And a lot of people know me because, well, for several years, I was the most banned woman in the world, the most censored, one of the first people in this country, along with Alex Jones and others, to be completely deplatformed.
pretty much everywhere, right?
I only recently just got my Twitter account back in December, but I'm still banned everywhere else, right?
And then as you reported, you were one of the only people to really report on my congressional campaign and the censorship.
I made history because I ran for Congress in 2020 and 2022 in Florida as an America first Republican.
And during both election seasons, I was the first and only deplatformed, like completely deplatformed candidate in United States history.
And the big tech social media companies actually created policies specifically targeting me and my campaign.
So they had said originally at Twitter, they're going to allow every single candidate for Congress or governor to have an account.
And I was the only one they said, except Laura Loomer, Cassandra Fairbanks actually contacted the Twitter spokesperson and said, so are you going to reinstate Laura Loomer?
And they said, everyone, but Laura Loomer.
And then, of course, everyone knows I won my primary in Florida in President Trump's home district in Palm Beach.
That was District 21 at the time.
And it's an honor because President Trump voted for me in the primary and the general.
And even as the declared Republican candidate on the ballot for the general election in 2020, they still wouldn't allow me to have any social media.
So and then, of course, I ran again in 2022.
And Well, it's hard to get elected to office when you're completely silenced and we live in a digital public square.
And now, of course, I'm doing everything that I can to help President Trump, the greatest president we've ever had in this country, get elected.
I'll be doing a Relentless podcast later on this month.
I'll be launching that with a producer down in Texas.
Yeah.
And so I'm excited to be here.
You know, I was recently a DeSantis supporter.
I think a lot of people recognize that.
But I feel like I've always been very fair to Donald Trump.
I believe that You know, he has a lot of great qualities and he had an excellent presidency, you know, I think for the most part in terms of my personal political preferences.
So I look forward to being a part of this debate because I think, you know, I have very good advocates here whose arguments I respect and their passion, you know, I appreciate.
So, you know, I, you know, I appreciate the invite here.
So that's, just a quick clarification, Article 2 of the Constitution states, the electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for two persons of whom one at least shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves.
I heard a lot about this, I didn't know if that was true or not.
It is true, yeah, and Roger Stone, of course, who's, you know, a really great friend of mine and also President Trump's, you know, longest friend and former advisor, or current advisor, I believe as well, He has written extensively about this.
And so, you know, it's important for people to understand this because there was really this demonization of President Trump, right?
Something like, oh, well, you know, he just doesn't want to have DeSantis as a VP because, you know, it would it would it would show him up.
And it's all about President Trump's ego when really it's actually in our Constitution.
Well, there is no constitutional rule against Two people viewing from the same state, although there may be a situation where you have a problem with the electors.
However, people forget that George Bush and Cheney were both from Texas, and Cheney went ahead and changed his residency to Wyoming so they could run together.
So Trump could have gone to New York, he could have gone to Las Vegas as far as residency, and they could have run together.
Let me explain to you why I wanted this relationship.
Trump is more of a CEO type.
I was a headhunter for many years.
So Trump is more of a CEO type personality.
He's more the guy that stands there as a showman, as the front man.
Is the guy that stands on the hill says points that away.
Okay.
DeSantis is more like we would have in corporate world of a president who runs a day-to-day operations.
And my goal was to have Trump as a front man, give him another bite at the apple because I felt like he was ripped off in 2020 and then have DeSantis running the operations behind the scenes because DeSantis is a extremely brilliant Harvard educated legislator.
Okay.
He understands legislation to the granular level.
Trump is, Famous for not wanting to read, not wanting to dive into documents, wanting bullet points on things.
So I don't think that Trump was very good at running the day-to-day operations of the White House.
That's where he failed.
So I like the idea of that one-two punch coming together and then the Santas could work for Trump for four years as an apprenticeship and then take over for eight years.
If Ron DeSantis is such a scholar though, right, you're saying that, oh, you know, he's so Ivy League and he's such an expert on the Constitution.
Why does so much of the legislation that he has signed into law get struck down on grounds that it's unconstitutional?
You would think that a guy that claims that he's such a hotshot Harvard-trained lawyer, right, and a Yale athlete would be able to pass bills that are constitutional.
So Ron DeSantis loves talking about how, oh, it's the free state of Florida and we have free and fair elections in the free state of Florida and we don't have censorship.
And he famously went on Tucker Carlson's show and said that he had made it illegal in the state of Florida for candidates running for office to be banned on social media and said that if candidates were banned and deplatformed, that they were going to, the state of Florida was going to institute fines Well, I would know, given the fact that I was the only candidate in the state of Florida that was completely deplatformed.
But I guess, you know, because I'm pro-Trump and, you know, we know that Ron DeSantis has been planning his presidential campaign for the last two and a half years in the state of Florida, he had no intention of actually implementing this.
And then, of course, a judge found that because they made the bill revolve around Section 230, which You know, if he really is such a constitutional genius, as you're saying, he should know that the states don't have the authority to modify Section 230 because that's a federal law, right?
It's a federal issue.
But I just think that's important because, you know, there's really just been this facade that's been created for Ron DeSantis.
I would say that he's really a Manchurian candidate.
The media and the GOP establishment has been grooming him, okay?
But he said, I'm not a number two kind of guy, long after Trump had rejected and was calling him meatball and a sanctimonious and all these other soft words.
He's been planning a presidential campaign for the last two and a half years, okay?
It's been widely reported in the state of Florida and really nationally now that Ron DeSantis has been laying the groundwork for a presidential campaign since November of 2020.
And, you know, I ran for Congress in Palm Beach County and a lot of the donors who are on Ron DeSantis's finance committee for his campaign, right?
These are people who told me point blank in 2020 and 2021 during private meetings that they had been asked to be on his 2024 presidential finance committee.
So this has been in the works for a long time.
Obviously, Ron DeSantis knew that, you know, he didn't just wake up in May when he filed and say, oh, you know, I'm going to run for president.
He pressured the Florida Legislature, okay, in violation of Florida's Resign to Run law, and really in violation of just ethical standards, period, to change the Florida Resign to Run law.
He hand-appointed the Florida Secretary of State, Cord Bird, in May of 2022, and then he had Cord Bird quietly change the rules in the Florida political handbook so that you could Transfer funds from a Florida state political committee, which is, you know, before this change was made, you couldn't transfer funds, right, from state to federal entities.
He had him quietly change the handbook so that he could transfer the money that he raised when he was governor over to the federal Never Back Down super PAC, right?
So it just shows he doesn't really have moral character.
He's willing to bend the rule.
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Wait, a representative of Donald Trump is saying somebody else doesn't have moral character?
You're trying to say that this is about President Trump's ego, when if we're really being honest here, Ron DeSantis had been planning to run for president even, you know, up until the time like days before the 2020 presidential election, which we all know was stolen.
I have no problem if someone said both of them are lacking in moral character.
An argument against Trump and an argument against DeSantis are two separate things.
If DeSantis was changing the rules and preparing to run as president for a long time, I mean, that's that argument for, you know, you have to make your argument as to why he should or should not have done that.
We can insult Trump, but that doesn't change anything Ron DeSantis did.
No, you don't let me in your spaces, because you know that you'd be lumered and totally destroyed.
I'm able to cite these encyclopedia facts that are ingrained in my mind about Florida law, and all you have is, oh, Orange Man bad, Trump is so bad, oh, he's so mean.
Do you actually have any facts or policy, or do you know about any of the laws that Ron DeSantis changed, or are you just a mouthpiece?
In Ron DeSantis's time as governor, there's no evidence of anything like that.
Now that's a broad statement that you have to have a real pattern of behavior to prove that.
To me, that was it.
I was done with Trump.
I couldn't do this.
All the unforced errors, you know, inviting Kanye, inviting your good friend, Nick Quintes, the white nationalist to dinner, you know, all the stuff, uh, associating with, um, it's another lie, which Another lie.
So there's been a lot of misinformation about the dinner.
So what happened is the dinner was actually supposed to, it took place on November 25th, I believe, okay?
It was supposed to happen two months prior, but then something happened and they had to reschedule.
And so originally it was supposed to be a one-on-one dinner with Ye and President Trump.
And then Ye didn't tell President Trump or his staff that he was going to be bringing Nick and another individual with him.
And he showed up to Mar-a-Lago and then, you know, President Trump had said, well, I guess if your friends are here, you know, come in.
And nobody knew.
Nobody had any advanced information.
His staff didn't know that Ye was going to be bringing other people.
But President Trump, because he's a very hospitable person, as I saw firsthand this weekend when he invited me to, you know, spend time with him at Bedminster, he just said, OK, have your friends come sit down with us.
And one of the people there was Karen Giorno, who was one of his former state directors in 2016.
Big Bush, by the way.
Huge Bush supporter.
She had been one of my strategists for my campaign, which I have severely grown to regret.
We don't work together anymore.
We don't talk.
And so he had thought, okay, well, Just come down, sit and have dinner.
And then, ultimately, Karen was working with Milo, and they leaked the details to the media, and Milo admitted to the press that he did it because he wanted to make Trump's life miserable and to get revenge on him.
And one of the reasons why I don't work with Karen anymore, right, is because I'm very pro-Trump, and she seems to have all of this animosity towards him for some reason, and I believe that they teamed up to get revenge on Donald Trump.
Nick was not invited by President Trump, and so when you say, oh, Trump invited Nick.
No, Trump invited Ye, and Ye ended up bringing Nick along because Nick had flown to L.A.
two days earlier.
So it's just, it's important that we get the facts right because there's so many lies.
I'm a Jewish woman and I have enough integrity to fight for everybody's free speech rights, even people who make sometimes derogatory comments about Jews and Israel.
I'm a free speech absolutist.
I'm also very pro-Israel.
I'm a self-identified Zionist and the First Amendment applies to everybody and we've already had rulings in this country.
Trump has said that he is going to, uh, on day one in the Ukraine conflict with a phone call.
Impossible.
It's not going to happen.
I guarantee you that Putin and Zelensky are laughing in his face when he says that.
He says on day one, "I'm going to end birthright citizenship with an executive order." Again, impossible, would never survive the courts.
He said that, "I'm going to drain the swamp in six months." Again, he was the chief recruiter for the swamp for four years.
It will not happen.
He had a chance to lock Hillary up.
He promised that on his campaign.
I mean, I was so many rallies, lock her up, lock her up.
Yeah, yeah.
And two weeks after he became the president-elect, he goes in front of a crowd and he says, listen, I didn't mean that.
We're really not going to do that.
And then the whole Russiagate thing, I'm like, that never would have happened if you had locked her up.
You emboldened the left.
By not locking Hillary up, they realized you're a paper tiger, you're all talk, you're not going to get these things done, and so they came after your juggler and look at all these problems, and we're still seeing the long-term effects of that.
The question is, the way you do that is, here's the biggest problem.
The reason why they call the deep state is the deep state, it's these people that carry on from one administration to the next that are employees.
And it's very hard to get rid of them, because if you try to fire somebody, then they appeal, and that takes many years, and they appeal again, so they can outlast any president, right?
So what Trump had proposed earlier was this Schedule F idea, right?
Through an executive order, where he would be able to, if anybody of these government employees could be proven to be involved in anything politically, then they could be fired.
The problem is, That the courts will fight this.
This will be challenged over and over again.
It's going to end up in the Supreme Court, probably take years and years.
Trump only has four years in there to do that.
So I think that Governor DeSantis would also follow something along those lines.
But Trump wants to build a big, better facility.
I believe it's for the FBI in D.C.
DeSantis wants to move them out, literally drain the swamp by draining the swamp, moving people out of D.C., getting them out of the three martini lunches, getting them out of that whole thing.
So I think DeSantis has got a more pragmatic approach to that.
He says, listen, it's going to take me it's going to take me eight years to do this.
You can't just drain the swamp in six months.
And, you know, it's not like we haven't Trump doesn't have a track record on this.
So he says that DeSantis wants to take these swamp monsters and deep state agencies out of D.C.
DeSantis has brought the swamp to Florida.
Do you know that Ron DeSantis allowed for the Capitol Police to actually set up an official office in Tampa, Florida for the purpose of hunting down Trump supporters who attended the rally on J6?
Florida has the highest number of J6 defendants.
You can look it up.
There was a report, I believe, in the Tampa Bay Times about this.
And so, how exactly is Ron DeSantis going to dismantle these agencies when he's bringing them to Florida to harass and intimidate and carry out their weaponized agenda against Trump supporters?
And they have a coalition where the Capitol Police in Tampa, Florida are working in conjunction with the FBI and the local sheriffs in Florida, some of whom were even endorsed by Ron DeSantis, and they are hunting down Trump supporters to this day.
I live in central Florida and one of the districts that's close by to me, it was previously in my district before DeSantis took it out, right?
Because it was one of the more pro-Trump areas and he didn't want me having a super pro-Trump area when I was running for Congress against total rhino Dan Webster.
You know, Citrus County, just a couple months ago, there was a January 6-er who didn't even go inside the Capitol, okay?
He was just there, he was wearing a panda suit, walking around trying to talk about peace, and he had his home raided by the FBI in conjunction with the Citrus County Sheriff's Office, and they beat him.
They beat him.
And that happened under Ron DeSantis' watch.
There are videos and we can play them here today.
I've done an extensive report about this of January 6th defendants.
As I said, Florida has the highest number out of any state in the country begging Ron DeSantis for assistance, asking him to intervene about this weaponized government.
But he has emboldened the Capitol Police and the January 6th Commission to come into Florida under his watch with his approval in Tampa to hunt down Trump supporters.
It's the first step towards geographic expansion of the notoriously opaque agency, which has been in turmoil since January 6.
Tampa Bay Times is not a conservative publication by any stretch of the imagination.
That is a really good point, because I've talked about one of the strongest things Sanders could do, and he did this to a certain degree, is say, I will not assist in the extradition of Donald Trump on these indictments.
But this right here, actually, I think is a bit alarming considering, I mean, the photos that have come out of some of these people.
- He said earlier in the thing, peacefully protest, but then when they were going, he goes, fight like hell, if you don't fight like hell, you're gonna lose your country.
And I had said, leading up to this, I was advising people, don't go to this thing because they're gonna have BLM there, they're gonna have Antifa there, they're gonna ask to turf this thing.
Trump, like he does so many times, he leads us right into the minefield.
And I was using the example of Patton before.
You know, Patton was kind of an obnoxious SOB.
Trump can be an obnoxious SOB, so that's not disqualifying.
But if Patton had constantly led his troops into ambushes where they got wiped out, he would not be a famous general.
Trump constantly leads his own people into ambushes.
If Trump had not had the January 6th, where there was no endgame, and this is Trump's problem, he never has an endgame, where there was no endgame, there was no winning scenario on this, that if he had not led the people there, we would never have had these J6 defendants, and he could have preemptively pardoned all these people.
I think Donald Trump had the right to contest the election.
He gave a commonplace political speech that is, you know, widely the same kind of verbiage that Democrats use.
I would say even less incendiary than most Democrats use.
He had the right to be there and to press to the very end when the Electoral College slates were being submitted to Pence.
And I believe 141 Republicans had the right to pressure Pence into returning the alternate slates of electors to those states that are qualified to review those slates of electors.
And that is something that has been done in 1961, is done at previous times.
You can review alternate slates of electors under the Electoral College Act before they changed it.
So he had the right to be there and to make his case before the American people and the original altercation at the gates happened before those Trump supporters could have made it all the way to the Capitol after he said, you know, go peacefully and patriotically.
Because Ray Epps and his buddy Samsel were there coordinating, apparently, to pull some shenanigans.
I personally think that Trump was – So Trump, the important thing that you said earlier that doesn't really comport in my mind is that he did talk, according to the Department of Justice review, that he did notify the Pentagon, said that you're going to need at least 10,000 National Guard there.
But if you go back and look at the testimony of Stephen Sond, you look at General Walker, the D.C.
National Guard, They said because of optics and despite multiple warnings that happened days in advance, and I would argue the FBI knew months in advance that this was something that was going to happen.
And if you go back to that infamous Time article, the Shadow Cabal had been planning this incitement narrative since, what, May of 2020.
So they had been working to fortify this election up to that point.
And they rigged it in multiple ways, and I argue that Trump should have done more to prevent the rigging with these states to try to get Bill Barr, who talk about drain the swamp, to go to these states and say, you need to push the state attorneys general to defend the state legislature's rights, et cetera, right?
So my point is that in terms of the context of the shenanigans around the 2020 election, Trump was justified in making a speech and making his case and politically pressuring Pence to do the right thing and to use whatever You know, powers that he could have that would be litigated.
I think that's an important context in a lot of this, that the recourse that Trump was seeking was through litigation.
He wanted the Supreme Court to take up the Texas case, which was mysteriously dropped because they had original jurisdiction.
And in fact, one of the most interesting things to me about the indictment in Georgia is one of the furtherance of criminal conspiracy acts they present is that Trump said,
Whatever legal means like they said he went to Brian Kemp and said hey, you know, let's figure this out by whatever legal means I don't know the exact quote, but it was he said I can't remember what it was He said hey see if you can look into the fraud or get it done by whatever the legal mean is and they're like Aha, that's a conspiracy criminal act to ask someone to legally go and going after his lawyers is just like I was going to add too, you know, people want to blame Donald Trump for January 6th and you said that he could have done more.
Was there a possibility of violence in Trump's mind?
Was that something that could have happened?
Well, he requested all these thousands of National Guard troops.
You don't do that unless you think there's a possibility of violence.
So, he knew there was a possibility of violence.
And yet he had his people go there and he said, go to the protest, go to the Capitol and protest and fight like hell when he knew there was a possibility of violence and he did not have protection.
But what I'm saying to you, what I'm saying to you is Trump has got a very bad tendency Of leading us into a minefield based upon his own hubris and his own narcissism.
The people that were the peaceful protesters there January 6th, I do not think were the people that were breaking windows and causing trouble and beating the cops.
There was actually coordination to tell them not to do that, not to AstroTurf.
And I know that John Sullivan was there.
The FBI had plants inside of these far-right extremist groups and much like the Whitmer kidnapping it kind of pulled them along to go and not stop them from going to the Capitol.
They could have tamped it down.
They could have stopped it.
you know, the Proud Boys and all of these groups from wanting to go to the Capitol.
But instead, they seem to aid and abet him.
And you look at the police was crawling with undercover MPD.
We know, you know, the Municipal Police Department armed, by the way, some of them encouraging the Trump protesters, this is on video, by the way, to go to the Capitol.
And on top of that, there was undercover FBI, and that's come out in trials, too.
He is like a blind man in a field full of garden rakes.
He's always stepping in it, always walking into it, always causing himself trouble, whether it be J6, whether it be the Mar-a-Lago documents, whether it be what happened in Georgia.
So Bill said just now that President Trump could have done a blanket pardon of all the J6ers.
That is categorically false.
As you know, President Trump was impeached on January 13th of 2021.
They tried to charge him with an incitement of an insurrection.
I brought notes to this because I knew you were going to say this.
And ultimately, President Trump's term, as we know, ended on January 20th of 2021, and that's when the transition of power took place.
President Trump was not acquitted until February 13th, 2021, by the Senate.
The reason why President Trump wouldn't have been able to issue just a broad-brush pardon of anyone connected to January 6th is because, and I'll read this directly, under Article 2, Section 2 of the United States Constitution, it states that there is an exception to the presidential power to pardon in cases of impeachment.
The presidential pardon power does not extend to forgiving crimes and misdemeanors that the House might charge in a bill of impeachment.
And they tried to impeach me for incitement of insurrection.
The day of the impeachment was one week after January 6th, which was January 13th, 2021.
First, we need a legal constitutional scholar to answer the question, can Trump sign a document saying, I hereby pardon all people within a two-mile radius of the Capitol on this date?
I don't think that's possible.
The next thing is, Trump would have to figure out who was actually a violent rioter and who was a peaceful, bumbling dotard who didn't know what was going on.
So he's got a week and they didn't even charge some of these people yet.
But that's the reason why they impeached him just days after January 6th, because they knew this.
Right.
The the the section of the Constitution that I just read to you and they knew, OK, well, President Trump still has about two weeks or so to pardon people if he wishes.
But by but by Trying to impeach him for the incitement of an insurrection, it basically ended his ability to pardon anybody associated with what he was being impeached for.
But it's just this flippant narcissism of every single time that Laura fact checks me in real time and I get proven to just be, you know, an anti-Trump hater, I'm just going to change the subject.
He raised, after the election, he raised $250 million to create a fund to fight this steal.
$250 million.
And he did not create this fund.
This fund never existed.
As a matter of fact, under testimony, Trump's own marketing people said this was just a marketing ploy.
This fund never existed.
He transferred all $250 million to his leadership pack.
That money ended up going to all kinds of things that had nothing to do with J6.
He did not pay the legal bills of people that were in jail for J6.
Who he did pay the legal bills for were people that were going before Congress to testify about J6.
He paid their bills because he didn't want them to turn state's evidence against him.
And then we know that Rudy Giuliani Who did all that work for Trump, traveling around the country, that Trump has stiffed him on the legal bills.
He was supposed to pay Rudy Giuliani $20,000 a day.
All he did was pay his travel expenses.
And just recently, Rudy Giuliani was at Mar-a-Lago begging to get his legal bills paid.
He didn't pay them.
Well, also, it just turns out, coincidentally, coincidentally, Coincidentally, shortly after Trump got this $250 million, his jet, which has been in mothballs for two years, gets a new coat of paint and some gold-plated toilet seats.
Look, if Trump says he's going to raise money for fighting the steal or whatever, and then he uses that for legal fees for J6 witnesses, that sounds like he's spending the money on exactly what he should be spending the money on.
Well, there's FEC reports that show that President Trump has spent at least over $40 million on legal fees, so you're acting like he just pocketed $250 million, okay?
And you're also failing to mention that there can't be coordination between campaigns and super PACs, and a lot of the money that was raised was raised by the super PACs.
Rudy Giuliani was Trump's- - Well, there was an agreement in the beginning the RNC was paying for some of, the RNC was paying for a lot of the legal fees until the presidential primary took place.
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- I'm sorry, who cares? - Trump stole $250 million.
He raised $200 million when he ran for governor of Florida and those donations came from Trump supporters who thought that they were donating to Ron DeSantis.
He broke records when it came to gubernatorial fundraising.
He stole $200 million from Trump supporters because he lied to them and said, donate to me.
I'm going to serve another four years as your governor.
He lied to high dollar donors who wrote enormous checks of, you know, $100,000, $500,000, millions, like Ken Griffin, for example, who just got exposed yesterday in an article for literally quid pro quo.
These people gave millions of dollars to this committee while knowing that Ron DeSantis was, you know, running for governor.
And then what did he do after the gubernatorial race ended?
He then had the funds transferred to the Never Back Down Super PAC.
82.5 million dollars.
And then 1 million dollars transferred to a PAC that was created just days after the Florida Speaker of the House, Paul Renner, changed the Florida Resign to Run law as a form of bribery.
If you go to a Trump supporter, and if Donald Trump says, I would like you to give me money, don't ask why.
They're going to give him money.
If Trump says, trust me, I'm working on some important things, they're going to help me, people would give him money.
It doesn't matter.
Trump supporters are happy believing that Trump is going to do whatever he needs to do with the funds.
However, I do think there's an issue if Ron DeSantis Trump specifically said, this money is for this fund, and he named the fund, and then we have under testimony, the fund never existed.
Just like we know that over $400,000 of Ron DeSantis' presidential donations just went to pay off his personal American Express card.
So, if you look at the financial disclosure forms, and I did an extensive report on this, there are American Express credit card payments that are not properly documented according to the rules as they're supposed to be documented in an official report.
So, you want to talk about Melanio, what did Ron DeSantis spend?
So I think, I think that, you know, we can say that both of them have moved the money away in ways that some of the original donors disagree with.
I think, I think that we can, we can say that because, you know, politics, you know, the circumstances have changed for both DeSantis and for Trump, you know, We don't know exactly what triggered DeSantis' decision.
He may see trouble ahead for Donald Trump ultimately becoming president and cares about America enough to want to come forward and run for the country.
So that may be Ron DeSantis' rationale.
I will leave it to Ron DeSantis to explain that.
But I want to explain why I supported Ron DeSantis originally leading into this debate with Laura.
Everything changed when these political indictments started coming down the line.
Every time there was a Biden scandal, there was a political prosecution.
And, you know, you go back to August with the FBI raid on Mar-a-Lago.
We saw that Biden had a classified documents issue come up in November, just prior to the midterm elections.
He covered that up completely.
That is a blatant cover-up.
Nobody talks about it.
That came out.
Biden still hasn't been indicted for this, and there's still, there's no- But he's a sitting president, he can't be indicted.
Well, yeah, there's a special counsel who's supposedly investigating this.
There's no headway.
It's just, you know, radio silence.
Yeah, exactly.
That's true.
Exactly.
So there's radio silence on all of that stuff.
And every time starting in, you know, late March, all the way up until August, you know, even with the Georgia indictment, you know, last week, there has just been Biden scandal, Trump prosecution or Trump indictment.
Over and over and over again.
So my point is that if we were all thinking about how the Democrats were going to rig the election like they did in 2020, with like the COVID, with the mass mail-in ballots and the Zuckerberg boxes and all this stuff, they're rigging it right now in front of our faces.
That's my viewpoint.
This is election interference.
This is rigging the election.
Let me ask you a question.
Just really briefly, Bill.
My point is that if, you know, the situation has changed and on August 1st DeSantis came forward, put this mealy-mouthed statement just like he had said in North Carolina rallies and so on, you know, very lukewarm sort of, I'm going to drain the swamp, you know, and he's even said stronger things recently like, you know, this wouldn't have happened to Donald Trump if he would have drained the swamp, etc.
I don't, this really aligns him more with the GOP establishment that I'm comfortable with, because the thing about Donald Trump that is really highlighted to me, not just the deep-seated corruption and vindictiveness and nastiness of these deep state actors, is that the GOP establishment is not stepping up to do any meaningful actions to defend Donald Trump.
They are sitting back- They're on vacation right now.
Yeah, they're on vacation.
They're giving these little statements, oh, we're gonna investigate this, we're gonna investigate that.
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- These strongly worded letters are very-- - I take it back.
The Democrats are very-- - Can we talk about the-- - Just a second Bill.
- Okay.
- I'll get to the end point and I'll set you up, okay?
So my point is they're rigging the election right now in front of our faces and if we don't support Donald Trump then they're going to continue to select our candidates from every election from now to the end of time.
We need to punish the Democrats or alternative Scenario, bring them out of the hiding, out of the shadows, and expose the democracy of America as a sham.
Let's peel the bandaid off, let's see how nasty these actors in DC are, and let's let the American people who are Some of them are still asleep.
See just how much of a complete illusion our process is.
Donald Trump is the first candidate, since I would argue Reagan versus H.W.
Bush, to be not the GOP establishment pick.
And I think that when he won and he shocked them, and Hillary Clinton, who had tried to rig that election as well with the Steele dossier, etc., he really got, we saw big tech mobilize.
We saw this lawfare, this endless lawfare mobilize now.
For me, it's really...
Proving me right in my argument for the last 15 years that people like Barack Obama and his adviers, you know, John Brennan, who was a communist before he was a CIA director, they have a plan to undo freedom in this country.
And Donald Trump understands this, and he's more vocal about it.
You know, I did believe Ron DeSantis was Trumpism without the drama for a lot of it, and I believe he had better bureaucratic skills to excise a lot of these bad actors out of our government.
I think that's true, and I heard your counterargument, Laura, and I agree that's disturbing.
I broke a story a couple of months ago about how Kevin McCarthy was actually directing his donors in the Central Valley and Silicon Valley in California to host high dollar fundraisers for Ron DeSantis.
And it was actually at one of these fundraisers where Ron DeSantis said that he was against President Trump's policies with China, particularly as it relates to tariffs and that he doesn't support tariffs.
And we now know that he doesn't support tariffs because all of his biggest donors are people tied to Sequoia like Doug Leone, Ken Griffin, who is a billionaire because of his investments and his business dealings in China.
We now know from a report that came out yesterday, of course, that he was working with Ken Griffin to modify this law that he said was going to ban Chinese nationals from purchasing land.
And now we know that Ken Griffin was able to just donate $5 million to him and completely change that.
My point is, though, is that we need to start calling them out.
Why?
Where are the Republicans in Congress?
I'm calling on Marjorie Taylor Greene to issue a motion to vacate.
We need a Speaker of the House that's actually going to stand up for President Trump and stand by him instead of working with state GOPs like Kevin McCarthy just did in California where he worked with Jessica Patterson, even though he denies it, to have this delegate heist And if it wasn't for me, they probably would have stolen the nomination.
So with the Iran war plans, these are, it doesn't matter whether they are declassified or not.
He cannot take these out of the secure facility where they were in the government's property, take them home, and he cannot show them to people like Susan Wiley's, who is a consultant for the Chinese.
When the DOJ... Trump could have given all those documents back right away.
But the problem that he had was, not only did he not give them back, but when they were under subpoena, He had his, that one guy I can't pronounce his name, last name, moved the documents around and then he said to his lawyers, okay, go back to these guys and say, hey, you've got all the documents.
He had his lawyers lie for him.
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And that's why the lawyers- President Trump is protected by the Presidential Records Act.
I don't need the guy that doesn't have the intelligence to understand legislation. - I'll say one thing real quick, and then Kyle.
Last night, Sean Spicer was talking about how he was a witness in the Mueller investigation and that it cost him six figures to defend himself, not even as a target, but a witness.
And how does that happen?
He said, because when Mueller says, I want to talk, You could say something seemingly innocuous that they could interpret or use as a crime against you, so you have to pay lawyers to handle your communications.
You could say something as simple as, well, when I was texting my friend the other day, oh, that's a violation of the Presidential Records Act.
The point I'm making is, for one, that's what Sean Spicer said he had to call his lawyers about.
Whether they're going to charge him or not, they can take anything you do and argue it was or wasn't a crime.
The saying is, show me the man, I'll show you the crime.
The point is, there's no way to avoid... Look at Michael Flynn.
He wasn't even being investigated and said, ah, he lied to us, now we got him.
My point is simply this.
The claims, the indictments, and the allegations against Trump have not been proven.
I don't trust a weaponized DOJ, especially when we know Hunter Biden is involved in illicit business dealings.
We know Joe Biden was, there was a request made by Devin Archer to contact, I'm sorry, not Devin Archer, there was a request made by Burisma Partners for Hunter to contact quote-unquote DC.
Then we get what a month later, Joe Biden flies to Ukraine to personally engage in a quid pro quo, fire a prosecutor in exchange for a billion dollar loan guarantee that he doesn't have the authority to do.
When you have that stuff going on and we have whistleblowers coming out saying Hunter is protected, I'm not going to err on the side of the indictments must be true claims against Trump.
Not just our law enforcement, but also a president at the time.
It began, people never want to talk about this, but it began with Obama spying on him.
And the media is complicit in this.
When President Trump was interviewed on 60 Minutes, I believe it was with Leslie Stahl, right?
He had said the Obama administration had been illegally spying on me during my entire campaign.
So you said that, oh, if President Trump would have just, you know, locked Hillary Clinton up, you're failing to mention the fact that the persecution of Donald Trump and the traps to attack him that have now turned into this, you know, coup with crossfire hurricane and now all of these phony indictments and this witch hunt, it all began while he was still then just Donald Trump.
Okay, so here's my number one gripe against Trump.
It's not the crimes.
It's not even the childhood sophomoric calling people meatball.
What is he, 12 years old?
Okay, not even that.
But it's the lack of judgment, the poor judgment that he's shown over and over and over again.
I mean, he has been indicted in these situations.
He's got this special prosecutor that's after him.
He's got these judges, you know, this D.C.
judge, this Atlanta judge that are not going to be friendly to him.
And he's out there calling them racist and calling them, it's like, what has he got, a death wish?
I mean, these are the people that could cut plea deals for him.
And my situation, my overarching situation is that I do not believe, we just had a new poll come out the other day, and I'm no fan of polls, I don't want to give you the impression I'm not a fan of polls now, but a new poll came out the other day, it was an AP poll, that said that 64% of Americans will not vote for Donald Trump.
I just wanted to briefly just like do a little breadcrumb.
You know, we have the Russia collusion hoax, the Mueller, you know, no collusion found.
Again, in the Mueller, you see the process crime trap that they tried to set with the obstruction of justice.
Ultimately, he decided that, you know, it wasn't his place to bring that charge and that he gave like this editorial in part two about You know, all of the supposed obstruction of justice, which was highly speculative.
So you go from that to the sham first impeachment was an absolute disgrace in hindsight.
So my response is, Should we not then, based on that argument, be getting behind Vivek Ramaswamy, who is currently second place in the predicted prediction markets?
He's got a few... Yeah, prediction markets are, you know... He's also second place in several polls as well.
We've seen this, where they do an actual heat map of the people.
People say, well, who's your preferred candidate?
This early in the process, it's really mostly a name recognition thing, because most people are not engaged.
They don't care about politics.
They're not engaged.
But what we've seen is that Trump has got about 25% core ride or die support, about 25% never Trump, will never vote for him, and about 50% that are kind of on the bubble.
Well, If after four years of his presidency and all his other stuff and Trump being a 100% name recognition guy, half the people are on the bubble.
That's like dating someone for six years and they come to you and they say, I think we need to see other people.
It's not going to end well for you.
Okay.
These are people that have already looking for an exoramp, but they don't know who that exoramp should be.
So they're still defaulting to the, It's not true.
The only Trump base, the people that are only going to vote for President Trump, and they're not going to show up to vote regardless of who the nominee is unless it's President Trump, right, on the GOP ticket, it's about 45% of GOP voters.
That's people who admit it. - That's people who admit it. - There's a lot of Biden opposition baked into the cakes So if you do the head to heads of Biden versus Ramaswamy versus DeSantis versus Trump, they have very similar numbers.
And so it's all within the margin of error between Trump and Ramaswamy.
There's six different studies that have all come out and said there's 25, 50, 25 things.
Seen it over and over again.
I don't know where you get your 44%.
Okay.
But if you say that, and we also see that really right now, the entire electorate is about 25% GOP, 25% DNC, and about 50% independent.
So 25% are ride or die Trump.
25% are GOP.
and about 50% independent.
So 25% are ride or die Trump.
25% are GOP.
That means about six-- - A lot more than 25%. - There's a lot of Trump supporters who are GOP. - That means about 6% of the electorate are ride or die Trump.
Okay, so what does that mean?
So for Trump to win, he needs to win the independents, the middle vote.
I tell you what, I don't know who you talk to, but the people I speak to with independents, Trump has got a real serious problem, especially the suburban moms and so on and so forth, because that's a stylistic thing.
I've had so many Women come up to me and they, can you recognize me from TV or my show or whatever?
It doesn't matter if it was Trump or a block of provolone cheese.
With mass mail-in voting and ballot harvesting and the operation that Democrats have pulled off since probably 2016, to be completely honest, and have improved upon with 18, 2020, Republicans are making the mistake of fighting an idea battle or a personality battle, while Democrats are fighting a procedural battle.
And when you look at, who was it, Frisch in Boebert's district?
The ground game that Democrats have, the laws they changed and maintained on the books since 2020, gives them a massive advantage.
Universal mail-in voting, one of the biggest mistakes Republicans made in Pennsylvania, probably on purpose, mind you, because they don't like Trump, When you have an urban district, and it's almost entirely Democrat, or a suburban, you go to the suburbs, you can go to one door, knock on the door, and say, fill out the ballot.
You walk 10 feet, you're at another house, you knock on the door, fill out the ballot.
That's how they're getting massive suburban votes.
For the rural vote, which overwhelmingly goes Trump, you have to drive.
Like the nearest neighbor here, it's gonna take you a 10 minute walk.
So for the Republicans to get on ground game to find their base and convince voters in rural suburban areas, it's very difficult.
But the key battleground being the suburbs.
Republicans did not have the logistical apparatus.
Democrats are winning procedurally.
I don't think it matters.
We're arguing, is Trump popular enough?
You get a thousand activists in the suburbs and you will get people to vote for Trump.
And the obverse of that, you know, I was an associate field director in the Tea Party way for a congressional candidate in a blue district for Nan Hayworth.
And I had to knock doors and I had to do phone calls, but I was one of the first ones to mobilize the Tea Party outreach and was able to, like, thread the needle of getting the Tea Party people on board.
But you see, like, the GOP establishment sucked the activist energy out of the conservative Republican base by hijacking the Tea Party.
You know, like Paul Ryan.
in all of these, they led us down a blind alley.
There were of course some grifters involved in the Tea Party.
- They did it in 2020 as well though. - And so like this is why I think Trump is exposing the GOP is in a lot of cases.
And you know, the term controlled opposition has been around, but they're like the Washington generals.
I love that analogy.
You know, like they're there to be beat up by the Democrats. - Let's look at the scoreboard guys.
And the consultancy class is a huge problem with the Republicans.
So that's why I've sort of, when DeSantis made this pivot to try to thread the needle against Trump in the light of all these outrageous indictments, it shows me that he's a little bit not ready for prime time.
That shows me that his leadership of his campaign, he's being too much of a politician.
He needs to have a spine, go out there, and really more forcefully, and I know he's trying to thread the needle here with the DOJ weaponization to drain the swamp and something that it's not needed right now.
To Kyle's point, that is true, and there was a memo that actually ended up getting leaked, I believe to the New York Times yesterday, that proves exactly what you just said.
And as we know, Never Back Down is basically Ron DeSantis because they're illegally coordinating.
Yeah, they are.
Ron DeSantis' campaign is broke, as we know.
And Never Back Down is footing the bill for all of his expenses, including his bus tour in Iowa just now.
Because Ron DeSantis doesn't have enough money to get himself through this election.
He raised $20 million on the campaign end, okay, transferred the $82.5 million from his state committee to the Never Back Down PAC, and then they raised about $30 million additional on that side.
He spent $1.5 million, and you can look this up, it's all factual.
Each week in the five weeks since he first filed to run on May 24th till I believe July 1st, which was the first FEC filing deadline, which means that, you know, if you do the math.
OK, he had already spent about eight million dollars and he had 12 million dollars cash on hand.
Three million dollars was reserved for the general election.
And the FEC actually recently just sent them a violation letter because his campaign accountant didn't even properly report on those numbers.
OK, and so Jeff Rowe, this memo came out and he said, OK, so you're just going to have to pretend to advocate and support of President Trump.
The strategy at the debate, because you're going up against Vivek Ramaswamy, who has actually showed up.
I organized the rally in front of the Miami courthouse when Trump had his arraignment.
Vivek Ramaswamy was the only other GOP candidate for president who showed up to take a stand against the weaponized government and committed to pardon Donald Trump.
So Jeff Rowe goes, OK, well, you know, Vivek is going to outshine you on this.
So you're going to have to pretend To defend Donald Trump.
And then after you win the primary, right, you can go back to not being as pro-Trump.
Just like we saw when he had his kickoff event in Miami, Florida, and there was a secret recording of the donor meeting where they said, what's your position on abortion?
And his advisors and donors said, well, you know, the governor, he only signed a six week abortion ban in Florida to appeal to voters to win the GOP primary.
But we're actually going to take the Clinton approach of safe and legal abortion.
Right, so he doesn't have policies.
He's doing what the D.C.
consultants and the establishment strategists on Capitol Hill are telling him to do, and people are recognizing that.
Well, but DeSantis has already come out and said, I'm not for a federal abortion law.
For instance, and here's the thing, it's really, you know, it's really a ridiculous premise because there's as much chance of the moon crashing into the earth tomorrow as a heartbeat bill appearing on the desk It doesn't matter what he thinks.
It doesn't matter if Ron DeSantis isn't in support of a federal abortion law because it's thanks to President Trump and his appointments of three Supreme Court justices, we now have overturned Roe v. Wade.
And so abortion is now a state's issue.
So you're trying to defend Ron DeSantis with a point that really, has no substance or opinion question for the for where we're at why It's not a federal issue, how is it ridiculous?
What he needs to do is he needs to get behind the president that actually resulted in the removal of A broad question, why has Ron DeSantis tanked in the polls?
A year ago he was the favorite, 2-1, and now he's, in some polls, 3rd place, typically in 2nd place.
He was a no-name congressman, okay, who nearly got beat by a crackhead, who nearly got beat by a crackhead known as Andrew Gillum, and if it wasn't for Donald Trump, and if it wasn't for Donald Trump, If it wasn't for Donald Trump endorsing his failed campaign, and I will say it was Matt Gaetz, okay, and if we want to understand who was the person responsible for Ron DeSantis, it was Matt Gaetz who told President Trump to endorse Ron DeSantis.
He only became popular because he pretended to be pro-Trump.
He dressed his kids up in onesies, he ran campaign commercials saying that he was gonna do pretend build the wall with my little toddler with Legos, you know?
He pretended to be a Trump mini-me, which is why people liked him and possibly considered him to be a potential heir apparent to Donald Trump.
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And he won by 20 points three days after Trump called him Ron Sanctimonious.
And then he lied to the voters in Florida, he said he wanted to be governor for another four years, and he stabbed Donald Trump, the man he owes his entire political career to, in the past.
So right now, you can make the argument that they oversample Democrats in many of these polls, which is one of the big arguments as to why there was that swing, and why they were wrong in supporting Hillary, but if it's an internal GOP poll, wouldn't they favor Ron DeSantis?
Because you don't understand that most of these polls, if you have a poll of just registered voters or adults, God help us, with 2020 accepted, typically only about 54% of registered voters vote.
So that means that about half the people... Does it mean anything?
Yes, it does.
It means about half the people that are responding to this poll There are low information voters.
They're not engaged.
So when the pollster calls them, if they do answer the phone... That is not true.
My argument is that these pollsters, to support your argument, they would have to be independently biased against No, I'm saying like, in terms of what you're saying, they're all trading together independently so that you can make an argument of systematic bias, but it doesn't explain the wide margins that Trump has over DeSantis, and DeSantis going the wrong way.
You are a drifter who made your entire career off of pretending to be a Trump supporter, and then as soon as times got hard, you stabbed him in the back.
I'm loyal, okay?
I'm loyal.
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I am a loyal person and I have stood by President Trump.
Guys, one of the things you just said is you Trump supporters believing these polls.
And one of the issues that I've taken as anybody who watches my show, when I a year ago, a year and a half ago, I was hanging out with the Daily Wire crew and said, you know, I voted for Trump for the first time.
I didn't vote in 2016.
Now I'm thinking Ron DeSantis because he's Trump with tact.
He's younger, he's energetic, and I think he's got it.
And then earlier this year, I said, you know, I feel like Trump's revenge bent will result was more likely to result in firing, but I'm 50 50.
When I was supporting Ron DeSantis, not a single Trump supporter insulted me, attacked me, lied about me.
I can say on my show that Donald Trump should be investigated for the commando raid in Yemen that allegedly resulted in the death of an eight-year-old American girl, and Trump supporters don't attack me or insult me for it.
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Let's talk about one of your friends, Alex Broshewitz.
Why are you bringing up Alex Grusiewicz when my point is the DeSantis surrogates and campaign are attacking former or potential allies.
I don't care about Alex Brucewitz, and I don't care about your arguments with Laura.
My issue is, many people have noted that Christina Pasha, Redfern, Brian Griffin, many of his actual staffers are attacking people who should be his allies.
I don't care what Alex Brucewicz said about Christina Peshaw.
Why are they insulting me and other potential and former allies for no reason?
And then you immediately go, but Laura Loomer, I don't care.
My issue is, I go on Twitter and I said, there was a video of Jazz Jennings getting all of these surgeries in Florida.
And I said, wow, is this happening in Florida?
Where's Ron DeSantis?
The simple response from his communications team was, should have been, winky emoji, we're working on it.
And I'm like, awesome, because I had no beef with DeSantis and I was in support of him.
Instead, they called me a moron, an idiot, they said DeSantis doesn't have a time machine, it's not possible, and they lied.
Jez Jennings got trans surgery while Ron DeSantis was governor in Florida.
I don't understand why all of a sudden I'm getting a barrage from his campaign staff and from his gubernatorial staff when all I said was, where is he?
I didn't insult him.
And then what happens?
I put out a tweet saying, recently, will Ron DeSantis stand by his words to not extradite Trump?
Again, all of the fans, they start insulting me, they make deep fakes about me, and when I say, guys, why are you attacking me, they just call me insults.
And then, when I speak to even someone like you, you go, but Laura Loomer.
In this campaign, there are many people who are potential or former allies of DeSantis who have been insulted and attacked by his fans, his surrogates, and his staff.
And I was like, I'm 50/50 between Trump or DeSantis.
And now I'm like, first of all, I will not throw DeSantis under the bus because he has awful supporters, but I will criticize him for having terrible campaign staff.
I know you're laughing at your phones right now because we know that is not even So my point is that I went there, I covered the COVID accountability summit that he had in December, and I was on support of him because I really wanted COVID accountability for a lot of these pharmaceutical companies that I argue fraudulently advertise their products and shouldn't have gotten liability immunity.
I worked for Project Veritas, I was undercover in the Hillary Clinton campaign, and my videos were used during the debate.
I want to tell you, okay, and I want to tell you that the reason why they get so nasty towards you is because Ron DeSantis really wants stakes.
He wants state media in the state of Florida.
There was actually a bill that was proposed by a legislature in Florida who was endorsed by Ron DeSantis.
You can look it up.
And it was called the Blogger Bill.
And they wanted to, in preparation for Ron DeSantis running for president, they were hoping nobody was going to notice this.
I've never heard of this.
Ron Law, they would be able to pass it through and not have any pushback.
Okay.
The bill stated that if you wanted to even talk about Ron DeSantis positively or negatively, you had to get approval from the state first and get a license in order to actually write about him.
So, and then if you didn't have the license, you would, you, you would be in violation.
Quote, if a blogger posts to a blog about an elected state officer and receives or will receive compensation for the post, the blogger must register with the appropriate office within five days of the post, the legislation says.
So I don't know about, that's why they, they came after me.
I think the issue is Christina Peshaw is just not good at her job and they decided, and there's, there's even a lot of corporate press arguing that they decided the approach they would take to a criticism or dissent is Twitter flame wars.
I I think they're just saying, we're going to war with anybody who criticizes DeSantis, and that's been a bad strategy.
She's ignoring the point of the law. - If Governor DeSantis, and we have an exception here, right?
Because it's not every day that the person running for president happens to also be the governor of the state.
He controls the Republican Party of Florida.
As we've seen, he runs the Florida legislature like a mafia.
He had his chief of staff, check this out, Tim, his chief of staff for his official gubernatorial office, James Oothmire, is now his campaign manager for his campaign, but he hasn't officially resigned his position as chief of staff.
He's taking a leave of absence.
You are not supposed to be mixing official taxpayer business with your official campaign.
And so, do you really honestly think that it's going to be fair in a presidential election year when Governor DeSantis is an absentee governor but is still in control of the state of Florida, and he gets to appoint the people who are issuing these licenses?
- Yeah, what's the Iowa's point? - The thing is, President Trump, according to polls out today, President Trump is up 26.1% in Iowa.
He wants to say that Ron DeSantis is supported by Bob Vander Plaats.
Yeah, of course he's supported by Bob Vander Plaats, because as I exclusively exposed in my investigative report, Bob Vander Plaats received a $50,000 wire transfer from the Never Back Down Super PAC, which is the official super PAC that is supporting Ron DeSantis and Reuters actually confirmed my reporting in a report they published on August 12th, and President Trump commented on it yesterday, and he didn't disclose that.
So remember when Bob Vander Plaats was like, oh, Donald Trump doesn't want to come to my forum where Tucker Carlson's going to host.
He never disclosed publicly that just days before hosting that forum, Never Back Down, paid him $50,000 so that he could support Ron DeSantis.
And now, right, he's walking around with Ron DeSantis, taking him to church, and he says that Vander Plaats is a kingmaker.
Well, if Vander Plaats is a kingmaker, how come Ted Cruz isn't president?
Vander Plaats ran for governor of Iowa three times, and he was rejected all three times by the voters of Iowa, okay?
So Ron DeSantis was at the Iowa State Fair last weekend.
He was flipping burgers and putting toothpicks into eggs, and there were people that didn't even know who the hell he was, and Donald Trump cupped his ass by flying his plane over the Iowa State Fair, and he is not a con- He spent 45 minutes on the ground and left.
Donald Trump is not a carnival ride and he is not a food stand and yet he was the most popular attraction at the Iowa State Fair.
But the Iowa caucuses for the GOP has not meant anything.
We had Huckabee in 08, and then we had Santorum after that in 12, and then we had Ted Cruz in 16.
But let me get to your point, because originally my argument was that we have to support Donald Trump because of what his enemies are doing to him, because the elections really don't Well, it's overstatement a little bit for the sake of argument to say they don't really matter if we let their attacks on Donald Trump stand.
Because look at what happened with Fannie Willis, the DA, the original documents, and I know the judge hasn't signed off on it yet.
They wanted to have the trial start on March 4th, the day before Super Tuesday.
And Super Tuesday, if you go through, Donald Trump is gonna So it wasn't before the other primaries in February.
- The problem is Trump has got no judgment, he does stupid things constantly, he gets himself in trouble. - It's not his fault though. - They want the trial to start Monday, the day before Super Tuesday for two reasons.
They're gonna put it in the news cycle, but more importantly, it hinders Trump from campaigning on the most important day.
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That's nuts. - It's the same thing that's-- - It hasn't been signed up on to be clear. - This is the problem with Trump.
Trump knew after two impeachments that he's got a target on his back, the Democrats would do anything in their power So what does he do?
He takes these documents home to Mar-a-Lago, he subpoenaed these documents back, he lies to the DOJ, has his lawyers lie to the DOJ, so much so that he lost client attorney privilege and asked his attorneys to commit a crime, did all this stuff, unforced error after unforced error, nothing, none of this.
None of this Mar-a-Lago had to happen if he had just given the document.
And what earthly use did he have for these documents?
A personal record would be like, you know, photographs of him shaking somebody's hand and so on and so forth.
Golf clothes, mementos, and so on and so forth.
Those are completely different.
And the presidential records, but here's the thing.
Trump has not been indicted on the Presidential Records Act, because violating the Presidential Records Act is a civil action.
He has been indicted on the Espionage Act, which is taking these documents home, especially these national defense documents, taking them home and not giving them back to the part of the The Espionage Act says that when the proper party asks for these documents back, if you've got them, you've got to give them back.
He did not.
He obstructed justice.
These documents were under subpoena and he did not give them back and he lied about keeping them.
But, you know, when they indict Trump on all that stuff, I don't get mad at Trump, I get mad at them.
In fact, it makes me 100 times more angry with DC, with the political elites, because Hillary Clinton destroyed a public server, she had her people smash phones with hammers.
Well, it was a trap, but look, every single president since Jimmy Carter has had the assistance, right, from the National Archivers with packing and leaving the White House, with the exception of President Donald Trump.
And so this was a setup, okay?
Usually, the National Archivers are supposed to have a process where they go in, okay, to the White House with the president and the transition team, and they help them pack up documents so that things like this don't happen.
And they didn't do it with President Trump, if you recall.
- They set him up by not giving him to briefings on the Russian targeting.
They did not get, they allowed the security debacle on January 6th that Trump tried to warn them about, the Pentagon ignored him, the mayor's office fought.
So we talked about January 6 a lot, but I want to say one of the biggest issues I find that is making some people, you know, undecided in this is the issue with COVID-19.
And so I want us to talk about DeSantis and Trump with regards to COVID-19 and the vaccines, because I do know that
You know, there's a lot of fake news about Ron DeSantis' record, and as somebody who lived in Florida, right, I find it egregious that the media wants to create revisionist history and say things like Florida was free, Florida didn't have lockdowns, that Florida didn't shut down people's businesses, that Florida didn't require masking, that Governor DeSantis was somehow like never in favor of the vaccines, when all of that is just not true.
And so you had mentioned briefly, and I had wanted to touch on this before he interrupted when you were talking about the grand jury.
And that's something you don't hear about anymore.
Like Ron DeSantis said that he was going to have this grand jury to hold the vaccine manufacturers accountable and to crack down on what he called vaccine misinformation that resulted in people getting injured.
But then when people started doing more research and more opposition research came out that showed that actually Ron DeSantis had these executive orders.
He's on video signing for the vaccine, pushing out his own misinformation, saying that they're 99% effective and that you cannot get COVID if you're vaccinated.
He all of a sudden just doesn't want to- He would be convicted under his own grand jury.
And so now you don't hear about this anymore.
And I was just wondering, you know, I sent you a video that I had posted on my Twitter and I was wondering if we could play that because I really want people watching to see this because I'm tired of the lies about President Trump and the vaccine.
Okay, he never mandated it.
He never forced it on anybody.
I'm not vaccinated.
I refuse to take it.
But I think that it's really disingenuous for people to say, well, I'm not going to vote for Donald Trump over the vaccine.
I'm going to vote for Ron DeSantis when Ron DeSantis pushed it just as much as anyone else.
So if we could please play this video.
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Yeah.
On DeSantis, he wants a grand jury to investigate COVID-19 vaccines to determine if any lies or propaganda was pushed during the immunization campaigns.
I will make the argument that in the context of being a governor with the highest elderly population in the United States, that I think he was justified in pushing the vaccine for that population in particular.
The statistics came out where the elderly, the at-risk, people who are obese could benefit and reduce their chances of serious illness or death from the vaccines.
The issue was the mandates, which he, you know, he was one of the first governors to, you know, later, much later, like, you know, after Trump had already left office, to say that there would not, you know, to successfully get through that there would be no COVID vaccine.
My point is simply just showing that he was pro-vaccine because I've seen people like Christine O'Donnell.
And I'm not, I'm just saying, I know that Donald Trump has pushed the vaccine, but my point is I've seen a lot of these DeSantis social media influencers, including Christina Pusha, whose tweets herself, you know, our archive that showed that she was talking about how pro-vaccine DeSantis was.
I've now seen her do a 180 and say things that suggest that Ron DeSantis was never pushing the vaccine.
And a lot of people tend to believe this because you have Fox News, which is owned by Rupert Murdoch, Pushing this lie, but then nobody wants to talk about the fact that Rupert Murdoch had a private meeting with Ron DeSantis at his ranch in California where he told him, let me just say this really quick, where he told him that don't worry, all of my media empire, my entire empire, Fox News, he owns the New York Post, Fox News, the Wall Street Journal, and HarperCollins Publishing, which by the way, you want to talk about this debate coming up,
Okay, Rupert Murdoch gave Ron DeSantis a $2 million, well it's rumored to be more than that, but at least that we know of $2 million book deal with his publishing company, which of course was used as the shadow campaign leading up to the election before he could get the law changed.
And so they want to attack Trump and say, oh, come on, Trump, you need to debate Ron DeSantis.
You're a coward, right?
Like never back down.
They took my video footage, which they didn't have permission to do from my meeting with President Trump this last weekend, and they used it to create an attack ad against President Trump.
And they're mocking him, saying that he should debate.
Why should Donald Trump show up to a debate hosted by Fox News, which is owned by Rupert Murdoch, when Rupert Murdoch When he gave Ron DeSantis a $2 million book deal months ago, invited him to his ranch in California, and said, don't worry, we're behind you 100%.
And then Discovery text messages from the Dominion Fox News lawsuit shows that Rupert Murdoch instructed all of Fox News to make Donald Trump a non-person.
That is not.
That's what you call a conflict of interest.
And so a lot of people don't know this.
And I'm tired of seeing them attack Donald Trump as a coward.
Donald Trump is not a coward.
He could destroy anybody on that stage.
But they're not being honest about the financial and the personal conflict of interest that is presented by Fox News hosting this debate.
Let me just let me say one more thing about the vaccine.
The problem this and this demonstrates exactly why Donald Trump should not be president.
Donald Trump becomes so ego involved with his decisions that he can't pivot away when he realizes that there's new information that there says this was incorrect.
Governor DeSantis led with boldness on the vaccine to try to protect his his elderly Because that's the information that he had at the time.
But then, in a short amount of time, he realized that new data came in.
He's like, wait a minute, this is wrong.
And the reason why Governor Sanders is even in the conversation now, was because he had the most open state and the most free state in America.
Now, President Trump, they say that President Trump was just listening to the experts.
No, many experts were coming to President Trump and they said, listen, during the middle of a pandemic, you do not want to introduce a vaccine.
Why is that?
Because you will create variants.
People don't realize that the COVID virus, the COVID epidemic, went up like this, Bell Curve was dying, was actually dying out when the vaccine came out, and then researched why because we had variants.
than Trump and people sort of forget how much the media attacked Trump for not being more aggressive and taking control of the country and they can accuse him of being like a fascist or a dictator or if anything he was way too hands-off and letting Fauci.
- Adding to what Kyle said too, a lot of people tend to forget this.
Donald Trump didn't control the COVID task force response at the White House.
That was Mike Pence, who's running for president now.
So if you're unhappy with the way that the COVID response was when President Trump was in the White House, go blame Mike Pence because Mike Pence wasn't controlling it.
And why Iowa matters this time is because It will take off the whole idea that Trump is unbeatable and all those 30 point leads and stuff were obviously fake.
Okay as to why Donald Trump shouldn't attend this debate if you were selected for for jury duty.
OK, and you ended up one of the questions was like, do you have any conflicts?
Right.
Or say one of the jurors was married or related to the judge.
You wouldn't be able to serve on that jury.
So why should Donald Trump show up to a debate hosted by Fox News when the owner and the CEO of Fox News, it's legal, in legal proceedings relating to the 2020 election?
OK, they're they're a lawsuit that cost them nearly eight hundred million dollars that they had to send Dominion said, let's make Trump a non-person.
They're going to make Donald Trump a non-person during this debate.
And he already said that Fox News is 100% behind DeSantis.
So that's a conflict of interest.
Maybe if there was another moderator from another media entity that didn't have financial ties in the millions of dollars for Ron DeSantis, which Rupert Murdoch has done through his publishing company, HarperCollins, as I've reported on extensively, then we could have a conversation about this.
But these people are acting in bad faith by saying that, oh, Donald Trump's a coward.
He's not a coward.
And Ron DeSantis is not a good debater.
Look, Charlie Criss, okay, his policies are left-leaning, but he absolutely destroyed Ron DeSantis during the gubernatorial debate by asking him, are you going to commit to serving all four years?
And DeSantis, he's on the spectrum.
As I said, Politico's reported about how he's likely autistic.
He tensed up.
He has all these weird tics and he's not going to do well on a debate stage.
I think DeSantis is a good debater, on contrary, because I think he appeals to people who are not in the Trump camp.
I think they want to see somebody who's statesman-like, who is very quick on it, nimble on his feet in terms of policy and defending policies, getting into things.
He's more reassuring for voters who are not likely to be responsive to Trump's activation sort of media theatrics.
So I think this is what really turns Trump supporters off of DeSantis.
It's just that he has a different target demo than Trump supporters, so I don't necessarily agree with some of this where he tries to copy Trump, and I don't see any of that.
But I think that this is good for him, essentially, that he gets to go after Ramaswamy, who's like his biggest threat, you know, so I think that the memo that we saw, you know, I think it's generally right, but we're gonna have to keep an eye on whether he actually defends Trump or not against Christie.
So, uh, we're gonna, we're gonna start to wind it down, I suppose, and give you guys, I'll give each of you a chance to say one more thing and maybe shout something out like you want to shout out.
I think that not showing up for the debate makes Trump look weak and afraid, okay?
And I think to the average voter who's not that engaged in this, watching this for the first time, they're going to be like, where's Trump?
This is a problem for him.
I think DeSantis is going to shine.
As far as, and something we didn't talk about this whole time, which is unfortunate, is I don't believe that Donald Trump can win the general election.
If he's, I mean, I think a vote for Trump in the primary is a vote for Joe Biden in the general election because Trump cannot win, especially if he's convicted on one of these 85 million different counts.
I mean, he's not going to win the general election.
So that is my, half of my entire situation is we're looking at an impossible candidate that cannot When and that's why I oppose him and that's why I'm in favor of Governor DeSantis because I think Governor DeSantis can win and will win this election and he's going to win the primary too.
He's going to take Iowa, then he's going to take New Hampshire, then he's going to take South Carolina.
Trust my words, South Carolina will be Trump's firewall.
If DeSantis can break through there, all the other candidates will be off the map.
This is a whole different game and this is why Iowa matters this time more than other times because it will break that veil of invincibility that these pollsters have created with these fake polls for Trump.
We will all of a sudden know that those 30 point leads in the polls were absolutely fake.
Yeah, so I want to thank you for giving me the opportunity to make the case for President Trump.
And look, I think that's what we need to understand is that we are right now in an unprecedented time in our nation's history.
OK, law and order is under attack and our freedoms and our liberties are under attack, not just by the Democrats and a weaponized DOJ, but also by the Republican Party that is just as guilty by standing by and being silent because they're complicit.
OK, this is a uniparty.
And as we have seen by Donald Trump's first term in office, he is the voice for the forgotten man, the forgotten American that has been screwed over by both political parties.
And I think that at the end of the day, when you talk to most people, we actually have more in common than we think and that we know because this two party system that they have brainwashed everybody into thinking exists is used to divide us when in reality, it is just a uniparty that wants to have selections as opposed to elections. it is just a uniparty that wants to have selections And it wasn't until Donald Trump that the American people and the forgotten man actually had a voice.
And people can try to discredit and erase President Trump's legacy.
That was the whole purpose of deplatforming after Uh, after January 6th, but I brought a copy of a thousand of President Trump's accomplishments, okay?
You can easily find President Trump's accomplishments and you need to read through this because he's tried and true.
We, running a state is not the same as running a country.
We know that President Trump had success, okay?
You admitted it yourself when you had your show.
You, you called him many times the greatest president this country's ever had and your show every single time- I never, I have never in my life said that Trump is the greatest president this country has ever had.
I have it on my phone.
You saying that he was sent by God to save this country.
And as President Trump often says, okay, the only thing standing in between you and them and you as in the American people and them being the weaponized government is me, President Donald Trump.
And so if they take him, then they're coming for us next.
And everybody needs to put their personal feelings about personality aside and say, do you really want to live in a country where they could potentially send a president to jail for 700 years, let him die in prison, okay, over his contesting of an election?
Don't you want to be able to express your opinion on issues like election integrity and big tech social media censorship without having a fear that you're going to be locked away as a political prisoner of an illegitimate communist regime for the rest of your life?
And I'm asking people, you don't have to be friends with Donald Trump.
We're not asking you to go have a beer with this guy, not that he would because he's sober, but we're not asking you guys to go have dinner with the guy or go watch a game of golf with him, although I had a lot of fun doing that, okay?
We're asking you to elect the most competent and qualified person who can get our country out of this mess because we are losing our country and we will fall to communism, we will fall to Stolen elections if we don't get President Trump back in the White House.
And so I am honored to support President Trump.
I'm a Trump loyalist.
I've always been a Trump loyalist.
Nothing is ever going to stop that or change that, okay?
I don't care what people say.
There's nothing that would stop me from voting for President Trump even if he was in a jail cell.
And I invite all people watching to join me in fighting for President Donald Trump just as hard as he fought for all of us over these last seven years when he didn't need to do this.
He gave up a life of luxury so that he could give us a voice, and we need to fight for President Trump like he fought for all of us.
So, like I said, you know, Donald Trump did nothing wrong.
My final thoughts is- Just shout out your- Please follow me, okay?
I'm banned on most social media sites, so you're not going to find me on Facebook or Instagram or any of that stuff, but I am back on Twitter now, at Laura Loomer.
Please follow me.
And, you know, we didn't get to talk about everything today, so please follow me and subscribe to my substack.
It's lauraloomer.substack.com, and that's where you can read all of my in-depth investigative reports on this issue and see all the receipts and evidence for yourself.
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So in normal times, I would support Ron DeSantis for president, but these are not normal times as I've laid out.
I think that Ron DeSantis and Trump are very much on the same page in terms of their policies, but I would give DeSantis the edge in terms of bureaucratic management and being able to fight the culture war.
I think there's a lot of things.
He's been out in front fighting ESG, fighting central bank digital currencies.
You know, the Parents' Rights Bill, I think supporting girls' sports.
I think that he's really attuned to that, but he can do it in a way where he's like a nuclear submarine.
He can run silent, he can run deep, and he can attack the enemy before they even know it.
Trump is like a battleship.
He goes in, he's loud, guns blazing, but the enemy can see him from a thousand miles away.
So I think that, you know, in terms of the art of war that Donald Trump likes so much, DeSantis is much more astute at being able to remain formless and be able to take his enemy by surprise.
But again, this is war that we're in.
This is a culture war and it's bigger than that now.
Circumstances have changed.
The political prosecutions, you know, they are launched when Donald Trump decided to run for re-election in 2024.
So they are rigging the election now, just like they rigged it in 2020 and they tried to rig the election in 2016.
And I'm using that term in terms of just unfairly abusing the system in order to get a political outcome.
So it should be very clear what I'm meaning by that.
So I think that he's exposing both the GOP establishment as being feckless is not really Absolutely.
So they're very passive, but blustery approach to protesting the deep state doesn't really matter to me.
like controlled opposition.
And if they change their behavior, I would be happy to see that because Kevin McCarthy, you know, we're tired of the statements.
We're tired of you foot dragging.
So they're very passive, but you know, blustery approach to protesting the deep state doesn't really matter to me.
I care about policies and outcomes.
And I think that right now they're hanging Donald Trump out to dry.
And, you know, it may be right what you say, Bill, in terms of him, you know, inviting, you know, inviting conflict.
but I think he's exposing the people who are conflicting against him for being just malicious actors, deeply corrupt.
And I think when we get down to the race where it's Biden versus Trump, they have very similar polling numbers.
Let's hope that Donald Trump can pivot and become the statesman that independent people like.
But like I said, I don't think DeSantis has as much of an advantage in swing states now to the electoral map issue that we're talking about as before.
So let me just get to where you can find me.
I'm at KyleNABecker on Twitter.
Please check out my Relentless podcast that's coming up at the end of this month.
I'm putting a lot of work into preparing that to do a really great show.
Thank you all for coming.
This was very, very fun and entertaining.
We'll see how things play out.
Fox News and I was an associate producer and writer there.
So, you know, I have some experience and, you know, I hope to bring a rational voice and independent voice into the media.
And I appreciate Tim having me here to discuss with these very passionate and informed advocates for their sides. - I appreciate that as well. - Thank you all for coming.
I forgot to say, too, that I know a lot of people are talking about my shirt I saw online right now, asking where they can get it.
You can get it on my website, Loomerd, L-O-O-M-E-R-D, right?
Loomerd, like gettingloomerd.com.
That's also the name of my book.
I forgot to plug my book, Lumered, How I Became the Most Banned Woman in the World.
I want to thank Tim because I didn't get to say this earlier, you know, a lot of people have demonized me and lied about me and denied me a platform over the last few years, but you're one of the only people that actually stood up for free speech.
And I recognize that even though this is my first time on your show, I really want to thank you for defending me and Calling out the election interference of my campaigns because you have a lot of integrity and even if you don't agree with somebody on everything, you still fight for free speech and not many people are willing to actually allow such, you know, polarizing figures online who are at each other's throats to have a platform.
And in an age of cancellation and censorship, I want to thank you so much for always fighting for free speech and it means a lot to me as somebody who, you know, has been silenced.
