The Culture War #22 - Should The US Permit Early Voting? w/ Mike Lindell and Matt Braynard
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I've been working on elections and in campaigns since 1994.
I've been on five presidential campaigns, most recently President Trump's campaign in 16, where I was on the senior staff directing voter targeting and voter turnout operations.
I have started a foundation called Look Ahead America back in 2017 to do voter registration and turnout as well as help secure the elections and fight against illegal ballots.
In the aftermath of the 2020 election, I was retained by President Trump's legal team and even before that started the Voter Integrity Project where we documented that the number of illegally cast ballots surpassed the margin of victory in a few states.
We're very proud of our work and that has continued with Look Ahead America, where we have continued to try to secure our elections by passing legislation, by getting convictions for voter fraud, cleaning up voter rolls, but more importantly than that, I think, is doing voter registration and voter turnout programs.
Well, before MyPillow, I was an addict in every way, crack cocaine and all kinds of addictions.
When God set me free of that, I set up the LyndaleRecoveryNetwork.org, free to any addicts that need help, and I was going around doing speaking around the country in churches and everywhere, and then the election of 2020 happened, and I didn't, you know, I wasn't into politics back when I was, I didn't think it mattered in our lives.
I really didn't, and it didn't affect me.
I was, you know, I was an addict.
That doesn't affect me.
Well, then when I was, I got evidence in January of 21.
My life changed forever because I never stopped 18 hours a day for the past two and a half years fighting to fix our election platforms and tens and tens of millions of dollars poured into it because we need to have elections rather than selections.
And this isn't a party thing.
This is a people thing that we need to right now fix our election platforms.
Well, I'm glad that you referenced this as a people thing.
I'm going to jump into this by referencing a 2018 Pew study that found that the majority of Americans, 55%, don't feel as though our elections are secure.
We know that historically there's voter apathy, that people don't feel like their voices are heard through our election systems or that they can trust necessarily that the ballots they cast are really achieving what they're wanting to see in the country.
Matt, since you called us here today on an episode of Tim Cast IRL, why don't you lead off and say what's the first way that we get voters re-engaged and trusting the system?
So I want to make really clear at the beginning that there's a demarcation.
There's two different discussions, two different missions that have to be fought.
And I want to make sure that they don't get conflated.
By the way, my team at lookahead.org is live tweeting because I'm going to throw up some exhibits.
So if you want to follow the exhibits that I'm throwing up here, you can find them at lookahead.org on Twitter and I'll throw them up here.
But I just, if Julie could throw up tweet number one and I'll share these with you, is that we have a real problem where there is some problems with the election and I don't think anybody's done a better job documenting them, and then following up to try to fix those problems than I have, and that Look Ahead America and our team has done.
We've passed legislation in countless states to fix this election.
It's not perfect.
We've documented many illegal ballots were cast, and we've gotten voter rolls cleaned up with the great help of Steve Bannon and his worm crew.
We submitted likely illegal voters to thousands of activists so they could then do their own research and then push their county governments to remove those voters from the role.
So that's a very important discussion, something we have to persist in.
But the other side of that, which is in some ways actually an anti-fraud effort as well, is to encourage voters to vote early, by in-person early or by mail or sign up for automatic absentee as we're able to do in my home state of Virginia.
And we have not done a very good job at that.
And part of the reason we struggle with that is because we have a lot of voices saying, oh no, don't do that.
Only vote on election day.
Don't push your people to do early.
Don't push your people to vote by absentee or mail or anything like that.
And I just want to illustrate the cost of that because there's a very real and significant cost.
So I want to throw up, this is Nevada, the 2022 election.
Adam Laxalt was the Republican candidate For U.S.
Senate, he lost that election by just under 8,000 votes.
The number of Republicans who did not show up to vote, maybe they thought they were going to vote on election day, but the bottom line is we didn't try to harvest their ballot.
We didn't try to chase their ballot.
The number of Republicans who did not vote was 200,000.
I'll give you another example.
A very good friend of the show, Joe Kent, Washington's third congressional district.
He lost that election by less than 1%.
2,633 votes.
But, and this is a state where the left, Democrats, do a very good job harvesting ballots.
Republicans, no, we're just going to vote on game day.
We had almost 100,000 absent Republicans.
We did not knock on their door.
We did not collect their ballots, even though it's legal to do so there.
It's something about lower propensity voters and when you're losing elections because the people are going to vote for you don't show up.
You have to take action.
What the left does is they go to the door, they either collect the ballot where it's legal, when it's not, they just, hey, sign it for early absentee.
Hey, you haven't voted yet.
Can you vote please?
Just constantly saying vote early, bank the vote.
And I actually want to give one really good example here because I know that Mike and I have a couple friends in Arizona.
In Arizona, Kerry Lake lost the governor's race by around 17,000 votes, Blake Masters by 125, Fincham by 120k, Abe by only 280.
But in that state, there were 408,000 absent Republicans who did not show up to the vote.
The left has done a much better job turning these people out for their candidates, our refusal to engage with it, and the resistance that we're facing.
Because there are only two people I know of of promise in this country that are saying, oh, don't vote early, don't vote absentee if you're a Republican, save it for election day, if that at all.
And those people are Mike Lindell and Van Jones, CNN commentator, who was in the Obama administration and got fired because he had communist ties.
So those are the voices that are saying, don't do this, but it has a real cost.
And there are other reasons why we should be voting early, and I'll tell you two of them.
Number one is that Whenever you vote early or absentee, the campaigns—and I ran a lot of campaigns last cycle.
I directed about $7 million in voter contact, okay?
When you vote early, we know that you voted early.
So what that means is that we no longer have to spend money or volunteer hours trying to turn you out.
So voter contact, direct mail, door knockers, phone calls, digital, MMS texts, that costs a lot of money.
So what the left and the Democrats do is they get as many of their people to vote early as possible so they don't have to contact them anywhere.
And they can take their limited financial resources and focus them solely on the hard cases.
A much narrower universe, more dollars spent per voter, right?
Our people wait until election day, and we're not really sure who's going to vote and who's not going to vote.
So the cost for us to target that much larger universe, and we're already at a financial disadvantage with the left, is tremendous.
So just by you voting early or absentee, you're basically making a contribution of up to several hundred dollars to the candidates that you support.
Finally, of all the illegal ballots that we were able to document, and we've documented a lot of them, it's primarily people casting votes they shouldn't have cast.
And in some cases, maybe somebody else cast that vote in their name.
They got a handle on somebody's ballot they shouldn't have and cast it.
Or we fear about not showing ID on election day.
The very best way to prevent your ballot from being cast by somebody else is do it yourself early.
So it's an anti-fraud effort.
Now look, Mike and I can talk all day long about different ways to secure the elections, but that's on a different track.
While we do that, we have to do everything we can to get our people to vote.
Early, vote absentee, in person, however it takes, as soon as possible, and to fund efforts to go after the hard cases that, look, you can tell these people all the reasons in the world they should vote on Election Day, but they're not going to.
They're just not that engaged.
We've had hundreds of thousands.
You've seen every one of these elections.
I can even show Herschel Walker here.
He lost by 100,000 votes in Georgia.
There were almost 600,000 Republicans who did not show up.
These people cannot be shouted at to go vote on election day, but if we go to their door and we get them signed up for early absentee and we lower the threshold it takes for them to cast those ballots, that's how we get them, that's how the left does it, and we just got to get in the game.
For two and a half years now, I've been submersed in this, and I've forgotten more about elections and the crime involved and the ways they cheat than I could ever imagine.
What we've learned is, I'll start with cast vote records.
Cast vote records on the Freedom of Information Act, and we've got one-third of them for just 2020 election alone.
Every one of them showed computer manipulation of our elections.
The big elephant in the room is the computerized elections we use now, and they have to go.
We have France, Germany, the Netherlands, the UK, all paper ballots, hand-counted, done in one day.
It's beautiful.
I'm going to take an example of what we learned.
By last summer, we already learned that it's harder for them to cheat in same-day voting.
It's ten times harder, maybe even more than that, because of looking at the data, the data from the cast vote records and other data that we got.
And I have hundreds of thousands of people in every state.
Every state, we do a call once a week, we have the Cause of America and all this.
We've collected more data, done more lawsuits, been spearheading everything out there that has to do with fighting these, to fix these platforms.
Last year we told Carrie Lake, I'm going to use that, he brought up Arizona, last year Carrie Lake, we told everyone in this country, Vote same day.
Vote same day.
It's harder for them to cheat because they can't take the names from the dirty voter rolls, which almost every state has it, just on the Hershel Walker one there.
And just in this last, the Hershel Walker election, there was 800,000 more voters that they say voted that the census says than the Secretary of State reported.
Well, those 800,000, where'd they come from?
But Cary Lake, last year, we told everybody, vote same day.
Everyone out in Arizona, during that primary, and they voted same day, okay?
If everybody remembers what happened, by 11 o'clock at night, now they were counting all the early votes.
Cary Lake was down by 10%, 11 o'clock, I had her on the phone.
She goes, well, here come the same day votes.
And the same day votes come in.
By 3 o'clock in the morning she was up by 12,000 votes with 87,000 left to count.
What did they do?
They shut it down.
They were all coming in 70-30 out of Maricopa County.
70-30, 70-30 for Kerry.
They shut it down and three and a half days we waited.
There wasn't enough votes there to do any cheating.
You know, they couldn't do it.
There wasn't enough.
So, you know, I say the bad guys, the unit party, they're over there going, okay, we'll take it from her in the primary.
I mean, in the general.
So what we did then, we told everybody, hey, this is working.
They're going to have to expose themselves.
So what we did, we went out again and said, everybody vote same day.
Everybody vote same day.
And a big voice out there, well, I woke up on November 8th, and I'm going, wow!
This is great.
They did have to expose themselves.
They shut down 262 machines in Arizona, in Maricopa County.
It was all over the news from Fox.
Even Fox was reporting.
Amazing.
All over the news that there's a problem with these machines.
But I have to ask— Just let me finish this part.
So, everyone that was there, everyone that came there then, they said, put the ballot in the box.
They didn't work in the machines.
262 of them.
Put the ballot in the box.
That, essentially, those ballots became ballot harvest ballots.
No chain of custody when they left there, just like other ballots that would be ballot harvest.
No chain of custody.
What happened then was, people say the narrative was, oh, people stood in line, people stood in line, they were disenfranchised.
Nobody was.
They wanted to vote, and they went to other places to vote.
They voted.
But those ballots there, a quarter million ballots, never had chain of custody, and that's still in court down there.
I was going to say, I mean, these are really interesting things to bring up.
I will say, if we're responding directly to Matt, you're referencing elections that the Republicans did lose.
So if the goal is to see corruption and gain evidence of that, I can see some of the argument.
On the other hand, if Matt's saying we're trying to win elections and early voting is the way to secure that, I'm not really sure if we're arguing for the same objective.
First, let's talk about Arizona since you bring it up.
First of all is that there were problems in Maricopa on election day for people who voted on election day.
They waited in really long lines and I'm disappointed that Carrie Lake's lawsuit didn't go forward because I would have liked to see how many people did in fact get dissuaded from voting because of that.
But you said it's a state where Republicans lost and that's not actually true because do you know who won by the largest margin in Arizona?
All these guys, the person who won by the largest margin was a Republican, the Republican state treasurer.
She won by 200,000 votes.
Now, to make allegations of some kind of funny business happening is kind of bizarre because if they're so sophisticated, they were able to hack this election and chain of custody issue, et cetera.
chain of custody issue, et cetera.
And yet they let one of the most powerful statewide constitutional offices be won by a Republican by over 200,000 votes.
And yet they let one of the most powerful statewide constitutional offices be won by a Republican by over 200,000 votes.
Like she lost by 17,000 and 400,000 over 400 didn't turn out.
If we had done a better job with early voting and getting people signed up for automatic absentee and voting, she probably would have.
But what I'm getting at is that the allegation that something funny happened is disproven by the fact that the person who won by the largest margin was a Republican.
Why these guys did not perform as well as the treasurer did?
That's probably a question about campaigning and messaging That's a different discussion that needs to be had.
I talk to people, when I ran for RNC Chair, I talked to people that have been involved in elections for decades and all of them said, never in the history of our country has a treasurer got 200 some thousand more votes than the person running for governor.
You're going to look down there, oh I don't really like Kerry.
I'm going to go for Katie Hobbs and I'm not going to go for this treasurer.
They were caught.
The reason they were caught is on election day, everybody put in their votes, they had to do something with them.
Carrie Lake would have won by the same amount as that, a couple hundred thousand votes.
This, by doing that, we expose them by them voting on election day.
Everybody voting there, you're caught.
I'll give you an example.
You look, all these are deviations.
And you go over to Georgia.
In Georgia, in the primary last summer, there's a nice Democrat, three Democrats.
For me, this isn't a Democrat or Republican thing.
This is fixing our election.
You know, I'm fine with whoever wins as long as they're elected, okay, and not selected.
In Georgia, this nice Democrat and her husband, she got three Democrats when he got zero votes in her own precinct.
Zero.
Now that's, you know, they should have gave her two votes and said, I'm sorry, just your husband loves you.
Instead, they got zero.
So they had to look into it.
So for one of the first times ever, they looked inside the computer to go, oh, there's a mistake.
It's an error.
You really got 3,162.
You went from third to first.
Another county, five counties over, another Democrat, three Democrats, she got 4,600 votes, but she wasn't on the ballot.
She wasn't a write-in.
She had dropped out two months prior.
And they called that a programming error, and all her votes that went to her were pulled from this other guy, and instead this person won.
Now they gave them back to that guy, and he won.
The media didn't cover that.
This is what we're up against.
The machine manipulation and the computer manipulation You can't out-harvest a machine.
They want to do your dirty work for you.
You ballot-harvest and now they have the dirty voter rolls that's computerized.
Let's just pull names.
Every county in the United States except for two in the 2020 election had people vote in their county that didn't live in the county.
And people that were deceased, they didn't vote, they just used their names.
Kerry Lake, Urgent Arizona, if you have a mail-in ballot, fill it out and mail it ASAP.
Don Jr., don't just wait for Election Day.
If you're a Republican, we know we like to vote on Election Day.
Get out there, start voting early, bring your friends.
Scott Pressler, a par excellence on voter registration and voting matters.
By early voting, you're able to identify potential problems and solve them before it's too late, which I agree with completely.
If, and this is him continuing, if Republicans plan to vote only on Election Day in 24, we lose.
Like when 30% of Maricopa, Arizona polling locations had errors on Election Day.
By the way, this is tweet one.
Julie, please get it out.
Charlie Kirk, one of the first lessons we have to take from the midterms is the power of early voting.
Florida is able to do it efficiently and securely.
Doug Mastriano, who I believe you support, I think is a great guy.
We must adjust our attitude toward mail-in voting.
If we plan on winning statewide offices, we have no choice.
Marjorie Taylor Greene, a hero to many.
In order to overcome stolen elections, Republicans must increase voter turnout and vote by every means possible.
Register more voters, harvest ballots, mail-in, early vote, encourage voters to vote.
Her very good friend, Lauren Boebert.
We're trying to get those ballot harvesting campaigns in place.
And here are two people I think probably carry more weight with you than anybody.
One is a good friend of mine, I believe is a good friend of yours, probably one of the biggest experts on election integrity, former candidate for Secretary of State in Arizona, Mark Fincham.
To ensure that every qualified voter's voice is heard, we must adapt a by all legal means strategy that includes ballot chasing and lawful ballot harvesting.
And the last one is the guy I think you know very well, Matt DiPerno.
You helped him get elected chairman of Michigan GOP.
We're going to have the biggest absentee ballot harvesting program this state has ever seen.
We're going to knock on doors, we're going to collect absentee ballots, and we're going to put them in the bank.
So what you're telling me is that all these people, many of whom have won elections, won primaries, won general elections, been in election fields forever.
I've been doing this for as long as you've been making pillows.
Halderman, Doug Gould, you name any person that's looked into Colonel Sean Smith, Colonel Phil Waldron, General McInerney, General Flynn, you look any people that worked in our government that worked in with these when these computers came into our elections.
They know that it's harder to cheat on the same day.
And on the same day, if you look at that, we have the cast vote records.
These come right out of the machines, everybody.
It's like if you miss a football game—remember, if you miss a football game and you go watch a replay and it goes in order, and it's 7-7 in the first quarter, 14-7, and then the third quarter comes and it's back to 7-7.
These are machine and computer manipulation.
We have watched in real time, if these algorithms and the cast vote records that are set, and they're pulling names from the voter rolls, on same day voting, they have to expose themselves, like they did in the election of 2022, When you had Oz over there against Fetterman, every time he got close, it's called the Edison Report, every vote goes through Edison Research in New Jersey.
They come out of there, then they go to all the networks.
We used CNN this year.
We watched in real time, every time Oz got close, they injected votes into Fetterman.
It went straight up.
Everyone's seen the line.
Now when we watched Newsom, we watched even the 2020 election, you watch on live TV, votes go negative.
They drop.
Okay, that's impossible.
Nobody questioned that.
We did.
We've looked into all that.
If you ballot harvest, you have no chain of custody.
It's like giving them product to work with.
There was only one state.
Let me finish.
There was one state.
Of all the states where the election was manipulated in the 2020 election, which was everyone, in the state of Texas, the propaganda they put out, Texas could turn blue, Texas could turn blue, all the things Secretary of State's put in illegally because of the China virus, all of them put in, you know, Michigan, mailing out 7 million registered ballots and all this stuff that they did.
They didn't ask the legislatures that make the law.
They put all this stuff into place because of a situation we were in.
In other words, they're trying to grandfather in and get these ballot harvestings.
That's what they want.
When they did that in the 2020 election, all these things that were put in, one Attorney General, Ken Paxton in Texas, he fought to All 12 cases, and they said, we want early voting, and all this ballot harvesting, all these things to make it legal, and he fought and he won every single case, and he saved the state of Florida.
They found later two million ballots that they were going to inject, but they didn't have enough early voting and names to pull from the dirty voter rolls.
If we do this, ballot harvesting will be just like Arizona when they had Carrie Lake.
Put them in the box, put them in the box.
Those became a bail-in ballot harvesting vote.
There's no chain of custody, nothing.
It's like you could throw them away, you can do anything.
There's a lot of things that can be done to improve our election system.
And look, Look Ahead America has been leading the way with our public policy objectives, getting them enacted into law.
And Julie, throw up a tweet for police so you can see all the work and the success we've had in terms of cleaning rules, but also trying to change the law.
in such a way to prevent the possibility of fraud, to restore trust, and also, you know, we wanna get rid of black box voting equipment.
I got two accusatory threatening letters from Dominion, because I'm talking about open source voting equipment where-- - I didn't say it, by the way. - Oh, sure, where the code, the software is all public, And not only, the great thing about it, is not only does it restore confidence in voting systems, but it costs half as much as Dominion, and it allows the state to create home state jobs.
So we've been, we've gotten, one of our activists who's never been involved in politics before, Denise Bolognese, walked into her state senator's office in New Jersey, told him about it, explained the problem with black box voting, and why we should have open source voting mechanisms, or open source machines, to count votes.
that removes so many of the problems.
And she'd never done anything like this before, but she educated her state legislator.
He introduced it.
The bill became entered into the registry there.
It didn't pass, but most bills don't their first time.
So it's been reintroduced this time.
And there are many such cases all over the country of people getting involved, but that is something separate.
Is there a benefit? - I have a preference for winning elections on the rules that are in place.
To change those rules, you have to win the elections.
Look, there's probably not too many ideas that Mike has about how he wants the elections to be changed that I disagree with.
You can't do any of those things unless you win the legislature. - Okay, I'm gonna disagree right there.
But I do need to respond to something he said before because he keeps bringing up evidence and all these things he's talking about.
You know, I had a great discussion with somebody on August 20th of 2021, and that was with the Secretary of State at Buchanan in Wyoming.
This is immediately after your symposium where all this evidence was presented.
I'm going to throw this up, Julie.
This is number 10.
Let's get tweet number 10 up.
So here you are on stage with one of your experts making the allegation that votes were switched in Wyoming.
The presidential votes were switched.
And I got a call from Secretary of State Buchanan because one of our activists was involved there and from one of their state senators saying, look, I'm having all these people call me saying that the votes were switched in my state.
I have no idea what they're talking about.
What should I do?
And I said, look, Just put out a press release, a statement inviting Mr. Lindell to present his evidence that this had happened.
He said, okay.
He made that request.
No evidence.
None forthcoming.
Now what, you did call this Air Force veteran, you did say he was a traitor to his country, which is kind of offensive, but you never furnished Okay, I'm going to address this right now.
unidentified
I do think you have to give him a chance to respond.
This evidence that we're talking about there was under a government gag order by a guy named Dennis Montgomery.
He worked with the CIA.
That evidence, at that time, we've been fighting for a year, over what, two years now, to get the government, a judge, to release that and to depose Dennis Montgomery.
As of two weeks ago, that judge in Florida granted that.
So all this stuff where he's saying, oh you can't show the back end and the data that shows the output data, that's coming out.
I want to go back to what you were saying with You know, when you said paper ballots, hand counting, everybody, I'm going to tell everybody this, you know, when I went to the RNC, and by the way, they're working on a resolution to get, here's the resolution, paper ballots, hand counting, same day voting, voter ID, and signature verification at the precinct level.
Okay, that's what I think everybody would agree on.
All people would.
I've talked to Democrats and Liberals, Conservatives, Republicans.
We need a completely transparent election.
You can have cameras and that's your audit, the voting.
But I will tell you this, Everything we have fought for, for two and a half years that we have worked for, we have hundreds of thousands I have on the ground.
We have people that have spent millions of dollars on lawsuits.
We have at the county levels, we have people on the ground getting to paper ballots, hand counting.
We just had an election two months ago in Osage County in Missouri, paper ballots hand counted with our system, Linda Rant, that works for me.
Paper ballots where our Democrats and Republicans did it.
They got done within 10 minutes of the machines.
No mistakes.
Machines they had problems with, okay?
So we have proof of concept.
We have over 100 counties already that are going to go machine-free that we know of.
That's just the ones we know of.
A lot of them in California.
You've got Shasta County out there.
You don't hear about this in the news.
We have fought and everything we've fought for is to get to that same, that beautiful place we all want to get to.
If you come out with this nonsense of ballot harvesting when all the things we fought against, like in Arizona, the RNC fought to make sure ballot harvesting was still legal.
And what I'm saying is, let us play this out and you can sit and tell all this stuff later on.
The election is a year and a half away.
And I've said this, if you're going to sit in with misconstrued information about ballot harvesting and you don't know what we know about all this machine computer problems, at least pause, because I will tell you this, and it's a good time to say this, on August 16th and 17th, I have an event.
It's the summit that we're having in Missouri.
It's going to be live streamed to the world in over 50 languages.
And the first day, we're going through all 50 states.
And all 50 states are going to give you hope that you don't see on Fox News and that.
You're going to hear what the progress has been in every state.
Maybe a lot of the stuff that Matt's been doing and everybody's been doing.
Where are we to get to that perfect place of same-day voting, paper ballots, and counting?
And they all go up the first day because it's going to give you hope.
A lot of these people feel hopeless.
Now, you've got to really listen on this, everybody.
The next day we're announcing the plan that's been worked on for over a year.
Nine people know this plan.
It's never been talked about ever, never been done in world history, And it's legal and everyone's going to embrace it, whether you're a Democrat or a Republican, it's going to secure our elections overnight.
So if we're having this conversation, I will tell this, everybody, at least this nonsense of ballot harvesting and no chain of custody and we'll do what the Democrats do, this is disgusting based on the footprint we're in.
unidentified
I want to ask you a comment on Matt's, I mean, I think this is interesting.
I'm glad that you're able to give our viewers a little bit of information about what you have going on.
I would ask you to respond to Matt's argument that we have to work within the system that we already have, that if we would love to turn to a hand count one day, you know, that's something for the future.
Well, it's been around in different capacities in different states, different reasons why it was permitted.
And, you know, every state has its own narrative on how it came to be and how it came to, in some ways, accelerate.
You know, historically, it was the Republicans who dominated early voting.
We were all on top of it.
And that's part of the reason that the Washington Post criticized mail-in voting back in 2012.
It's because it was primarily a Republican thing, because we were very smart about making sure people registered to turn those ballots in.
And get them voted early again because once we know somebody's voted we don't have to spend any more money on them and we can spend more money on the hard cases which makes campaigns much more economically efficient because campaigns it's really tough because we're always we're always down on dollars.
Probably around probably around 2000 we started hearing certain voices saying don't vote by mail don't vote by Early, and that has, as I've shown you, has not been good for us.
And he keeps making these claims, but as I gave in the case of Wyoming, there's a gag order or something.
That's exactly how we determine who's already voted and who hasn't.
We have all the status available to us.
We have no evidence of anything happening illegally.
Look, I am a big threat to Dominion because I'm a big threat to Dominion.
The allegations of machine voting are, you presented no evidence.
Like I said, you called this guy, Ed Buchanan, the Secretary of State of Wyoming, a military veteran, a traitor to his country, but you could not furnish any evidence because of some gag order.
Well, right now, since that time, let's see, Alex Haldeman, the Haldeman Report came out, what did he say?
We shouldn't use these machines.
Democrats, there's in the movie Kill Chain, my own Senator Amy Klobuchar, Kamala Harris, hundreds of Democrats, there's a montage of them saying, we've got to get rid of these machines, we can't use the computer.
We can't use computers.
Our biggest blockers, I want everybody to know this, our biggest blockers as we go into these red states are the Republicans.
They block us for everything we try and do to get rid of the machine, paper ballots, hand counting, it's the Republicans that are blocking us.
I don't know.
It's the Uniparty.
It's got to be the Uniparty.
Let me finish.
These states, all I want to do, if you remove these states, these Republican blockers like Oklahoma, Arkansas, I'll give you an example.
In Arkansas, Cleaborn County, Arkansas, these citizens, they know there was fraud, not just based on mine, they based it on cast vote records, they based it on registered voters.
I got every voter rolls from the United States for both elections, paid for a lot of them, In Alabama, they charged me $40,000.
I have it all.
Here's who voted, here's who registered, here's who voted, here's who they took off.
Cleveland County went machine-free.
They said, we're going paper ballots and counting.
Within a couple weeks, the state senator there, he put in a bill.
These are all Republicans.
If you go to paper, because other ones were all going to follow suit, if you go to paper, we're going to defund your county.
This is what we fight.
We fight our own party, if you call it being that party.
I really want to hear Matt's explanation of why some ballot rolls would need to be cleaned up because I think it is an interesting bureaucratic question, right?
They're the only person they could have come from.
I created these numbers as part of the voter integrity.
There's only one source they could have come from because they were in my testimony in December to the Georgia State Legislature and in the video I released showing my evidence of election problems.
Sorry YouTube.
All the way back in November.
So these are very unique and specific numbers and they weren't used correctly.
And that's fine.
Nobody from your team ever reached out to me.
I understand.
But the thing is, I actually ran into you at CPAC and I walked up to you and I said very politely, Hey Mike, I saw in your documentary you used some numbers that came from my voter integrity project.
You didn't use them quite correctly.
I'd like to help you with that.
I would like to also share with you additional information that we've come up, you might find useful.
Your response was to not say a word, to shrug your shoulders, make a 180, and walk away from me.
So how am I supposed to take seriously your care for the data and all the evidence you have when somebody who is the source of this information gets treated that way?
But we documented these problems in Antrim and they were happening primarily because the contractor was not living up to their requirements and because the code that runs Dominion's equipment It's probably pretty lousy.
It probably is open to... Probably?
Well, we don't know because we can't see it.
It's probably susceptible to all kinds of problems, as well as the fact that it is twice the cost of what open source equipment should be, and it robs a state who uses it, or a county of it, from having home state jobs.
Because when you buy Dominion equipment, you're locked into a long-term contract with a monopoly, because no one else... You know, the state can't even open it up with a screwdriver, right?
So we want to fix that by requiring open source voting equipment.
It used to be a bipartisan issue.
We hope it can be again.
So those are my reasons for going after Dominion and because they, you know, they're coming after me because why?
I haven't made a single allegation that there were vote switches or that there were swaps, that the machines are hacked.
What I said is that open source is a better alternative.
That's why they're coming after me.
That's because it's a real threat.
He has no evidence that he's been able to present that there's been mass machine manipulation, just like Wyoming.
Right now, if you take away what we couldn't show because of that government gag order, which we showed on national TV, here it is.
We're waiting for the judge.
Just released it two weeks ago, said it's okay.
But in the meantime, in the last two years, we didn't stop there.
We went to the cast vote records.
We went and we got all the voter rolls.
I paid for voter rolls, like I said, Alabama, 40 grand.
Every state, all 50 states, then we had people on the ground, hundreds of thousands of people.
We took names from these voter rolls, so like in my county, okay, six people living in a household that all voted.
So we went down, we looked at the six, and I live in my county, I'm going, wait a minute, There's not eight people that live there, only Amy lives there.
And so then we had people, it's called canvassing.
We went door-to-door to check that out.
No, they don't live in this county, or they didn't vote here.
Then we backtracked with that and said they don't live here, they're deceased.
I was down in Alabama to the Secretary of State John Merrill.
When I first went in there with him with his own voter rolls, In Alabama, and I said, John, you have 4,800 people on your voter rolls that are 110 years or older where their names voted in this election.
And you know what he said?
Mike, we live pretty good here in Alabama, don't we?
And I'll tell you, when you talk about Dominion, he's saying about Dominion, you can replace it with another machine.
Well, ES&S, the biggest machine company in this country out of Omaha, Nebraska, I was at a Senate hearing in the state of Louisiana.
All the machine companies were there trying to say which one's better, which one can do, because they're the longest-running Dominion-employed Louisiana's in the country.
They've been with them the longest.
And they had problems.
The Secretary of State tried to get the quote, you know, there's problems because it was announced in the curling Ratzenberger case with the Alex Halderman report that finally came out this summer.
An expert that's not a He's not on the right.
I mean, and he said, these machines, we got to get rid of them.
You know, there's problems.
But ES&S was put on the stand, one of their owners.
We got it on tape.
They asked him, that Secretary of State said, are your machines vulnerable or, you know, like Dominion's or like, you know, are they better?
He said, quote, Every single voting machine is vulnerable.
They have back doors that are vulnerable.
He said, just like your devices.
Just like this.
Hello, Tim Cook, can you hear us out there?
Just like your devices.
Every one of them can not only be hacked.
Right now in the state we're in, in our country, we're at an apex in history.
And we're coming into a time where you press of a button, you can hack in.
I get, you know, businesses get hacked all the time.
You had SolarWinds.
You had credit card companies get hacked.
But when you hack in, it's just money then.
It's just money.
You know, you're covered insurance maybe.
Otherwise, you just lose, you know, money.
But when it happens in our elections, you lose your country.
This is what I've been fighting for.
We have to get to a place.
Paper, ballot, hand counting.
You can sit here and say all this evidence you want.
This evidence comes right out of the machines.
We can't CNN, but one we can get is we can get the voter rolls, which I got, everyone that voted, and you can get these cast vote records.
Studies by Jeff O'Donnell, Walter Doherty, all these experts that I did not know before them.
These colonels, there's at least five of them that have been worked inside the government to protect us, cyber experts, white hat hackers, and they look into all this.
It's all the same.
It doesn't matter what brand of machine.
And I will say this, like in Colorado, this gets pushed under the radar.
In Colorado, they deleted everything, called it the trusted build back then, and they were supposed to hold that for 22 months.
hold all these FOIA requirements that we could ask for what's inside these machines.
The bottom line is this, we got the voter rolls got out, Dr. Doug Frank, his work, they've never discredited him, you know why?
Because he takes it right from the visa. - He doesn't present any evidence either, Mike. - And in Mesa County, Colorado, we've actually got the image right up there.
You say, we haven't been able to see inside these machines.
What are they hiding?
I said before, when Matt and I were downstairs, I said, if people said my pillow had rocks and knives in them, I said, you think I would sue everybody?
No, I would open them up and say, look at the beautiful patented fill.
I would look at the beautiful patented fill and that would be it.
What are they hiding?
Why did they do these black boxes?
What are they doing?
And you can sit here and say nothing happened in them and be a proponent of doing a different kind of machine.
This is, again, we're kind of like, this is I guess the machine debate or something, I guess, but this is really about early voting and absentee voting and ballot harvesting and ballot chasing.
And here's the problem, Mike, is that you keep making all these allegations.
Look, when Look Ahead makes allegations of Illegal ballots being cast or we find something that's been amiss.
We bring our data to the FBI.
We brought our data.
They actually requested it from us.
We brought our data to the secretaries of state's office, attorney generals.
Even when we have like one of them blocks us, well now we go to the county level and that's how we were able to obtain convictions.
Or we get people removed from the rolls.
We have to go wherever we can.
But we don't hide our evidence.
We have evidence that the number of illegal ballots was surpassed.
Well, I think that the thing is that a lot of people raise issues with machines.
I think the lack of transparency is important.
And I've said this from the very beginning, too, is that the evidence or the problems with elections being secure is as dangerous as the perception that they aren't secure.
So that's why we've advocated for open source voting equipment.
You know, hand count is technically open source.
I'm not opposed to that.
I'd support it in a heartbeat over a closed source, you know, ES&S or Dominion solution.
So, and you know, again, if you just go back to HBO's documentary Kill Switch, it was the Democrats who were raising issues with black box voting equipment.
In fact, there was legislation introduced to require all equipment to be open source, which kind of kills Dominion and ES&S because they can't make money off their software because it's proprietary, they're done.
So it was actually introduced federal legislation in the US Congress by a Democrat from New Jersey.
And guess what his background was?
He was a scientist.
So he recognized the importance of having open source equipment.
But that's very different from making allegations that voting and elections are being mass manipulated.
So I mean, even in Mike's case, he made a challenge to pay $5 million to anybody that could refute his data.
Well, a friend of mine now, Bob Ziedman, actually did refute it.
It is because the court ruled that Bob Ziedman performed under contract.
He proved the data Lindell LLC provided and represented reflect information for the 2020 election unequivocally did not reflect the November 2020 election data.
Failure to pay him the five million was a breach of the contract.
So you've also got a, you know, you had the chance in the court to make the case that you had evidence.
So for Al Capone, all the evidence they had, everything, they couldn't get out.
So you know what they did?
They went at him at a different angle.
Which was tax evasion.
They go, let's get them on that.
They came out and told everybody, because they weren't moving forward on anything else.
Now, that's the situation we've been in for two and a half years.
You can suppress evidence, but no judge has ever looked at the evidence based on merit in this country.
All these things, they have politicians, we fight Republicans.
Now, what we have over the last year, we've come up with a plan That is coming at it from a different angle.
On August 16th and 17th, you go to lindoevent.com, you will get there, and I'm telling you, this plan has never been talked about before, never been done in real history, and Matt, I hope you come to the event because you'll be the first one.
Everyone will embrace this.
Everybody will embrace it.
The footprint we're in, it solves everything immediately.
Well, yeah, I mean, like I said, you know, you go around the country accusing military veterans of being traitors to the country and then present no evidence and then just excuse it by some gag order.
Like I said, L.A.A.
We are eager to present evidence to anybody that looks at it.
I think we've been very successful in doing that.
But I want to actually want to talk about... You don't need to have that little thing up there.
So in Georgia, there is an aggressive early turnout program in the urban progressive counties called Souls to the Polls, where they get everybody at church to go vote together in places like Atlanta, Fulton County, Gwinnett.
Look at how America has been leading the way to allow Sunday voting in the rural counties throughout Georgia, where it's not been allowed before but now is possible because of a state law.
Julie, throw up number seven please.
We have, with almost no budget, have managed to get 10 rural counties to allow voting on Sundays and work with their local churches And pastors and religious leaders to encourage their people to turn out.
Now this is what I think I'm most proud of, of all my work in the 2022 election.
This is a picture taken outside Cherokee County.
This is the election office in Cherokee County.
They've never before allowed Sunday voting.
This was taken on a Sunday and you can't really see it from this photo, but the line is going out the block of all these people voting early, especially those who are low propensity, who might not have otherwise been able to on Tuesday or couldn't do the absentee thing.
So I'm very glad that we're getting this program off the ground.
Again, it's still unfunded.
We're hopefully going to find somebody to help us fund it to flip the other.
It's actually like 170 counties in the state of Georgia.
It's crazy.
But we've got at least another 100 counties to flop.
But this is what we're trying to do in action.
This is what all those MAGA people I quoted before, from President Trump to Kerry Lake, to Doug Mastrano, to Mark Finster.
This is the dream of getting our people to turn out, to stop having this happen, where we're losing elections, Because there's important absent Republicans not getting there.
There's all this discussion about machines, all this allegations about things happening.
And look, there's many ways to improve the election.
And look at us fighting every day to do that.
But that is separate from making sure that our people show up, vote early, vote absentee, vote in person, but absolutely must turn out to vote.
And that's what this discussion debate is about.
And I have not heard any evidence- No, you got ballot harvesting.
What gives them to the polls is the last two years or four years or whatever that we've went through, everything that's happening in our country.
You have this bucket.
What's happened over the last two years, the 2020 election will go down as the most important election in history.
Why?
Because it's opened people's eyes.
People have been educated on how important that our elections are, if they're really elections.
And everyone out there, they're worried.
They've seen what politicians could do.
You get to December of 2019, everybody's lives had physically improved.
They went up somewhat because of decisions made by an administration.
Now they're seeing an example of what can be happened by poor decisions.
People that doesn't help anybody, whether you're a Democrat or Republican, when politicians are making decisions that don't help any of the people, then you're looking at and you're going, that's what's driving Republicans, and not only that, Democrats voting Republican.
There's no evidence that somehow these votes are being manipulated or they're more likely to be manipulated if, just think about this a second, okay, the forces that be, the evil powers that are systematically, look, we've documented people keep casting illegal votes.
We know what happens.
We know the people who've done it.
It's primarily people individually deciding to cast a vote they shouldn't because they don't have residency in the state anymore or some other issue like that.
But we have no evidence of there being something systematic because, look, think about it this way.
I sat here and listened to your stupid stories about Al Capone.
You're going to listen to me talk about facts.
If you have the ability to somehow manipulate the early votes and yet you can't manipulate the same day votes in the days it takes to cast those ballots, I didn't say that.
It's harder.
For this to actually be happening, if you believe that, then you also probably have to believe that voting doesn't matter at all.
Elections don't matter because they're just going to steal them, even though we have no evidence to that.
And much evidence to the contrary.
Again, you talk about Arizona.
Yeah, they defeated all these guys through manipulation, but oh, we're going to keep a Republican treasurer.
Before we go into that, I want to ask you both the same question.
We've heard a lot about the evidence.
I'm really interested in 2024.
I'm interested in moving forward as a country.
I want to see how we make elections stronger.
We've both touched on the fact that There is an ideal way to vote, and then there are the laws in the books.
I would love to hear from both of you, using Pennsylvania as a battleground state example, what are three things each of you would like to see happen from now through November 24, 2024, to secure the elections?
I know we have a little bit of contentious energy in the room.
If you could just each give each other a chance to respond.
Look, we launched our organization in 2017 and we did our first election monitoring operation in Virginia in the 2017 election.
We also have probably the biggest one we've ever done is we're spending a quarter million dollars to do voter turnout in Virginia targeting disaffected patriotic Americans who are unlikely to vote.
But on top of that we're also going to be looking at the voter list statewide to ascertain people we think the state or county should follow up on to see if they really exist or not or still live in the state or not to help with some voter list hygiene.
And we're also going to encourage people to engage with voter ballot place watching, ballot monitoring, election place monitoring.
And what I can tell you, and this is kind of inspiring in a way, she gives everybody a sense of comfort, is that between 2020 and the 2022 election, and this is continuing, The political parties, outside groups, groups like Look Ahead America, have done a very good job infiltrating the election system on every level.
We've got eyes and ears everywhere, and I give Steve Bannon a lot of credit for this by getting his war room people activating the precinct committeeman projects and getting them signed up to be Election observers, I actually, on election night 2022, I was monitoring a Dropbox just to see what's going on, right?
And to also make sure that there wasn't any funny business.
But there was actually somebody from the local county party who not only did they monitor that Dropbox, but they followed the county employee who picked it up and then brought it to the central counting facility.
So between that, between the laws that look ahead to America's help get passed around the country, securing the elections, if you had big doubts about what's happening in 2020, That's fair to have those doubts because a lot of questions were raised, but I think we've done a lot to improve it.
But one thing I can guarantee you, I can promise you, is that the impact of our people not turning out and showing up to vote had a between a 100 and 1,000 times bigger impact than illegal ballots that were cast on the outcome of the election.
What I did on election night, I didn't just watch one little piece or whatever Matt watched.
We watched the Edison Research or Edison Report come right out of New Jersey, which usually it goes to all the outlets, but usually we take it from The New York Times.
They didn't do it this in 2022.
CNN did it.
So my cyber guys watch that feed.
Mathematicians.
These are physicists.
These are some of the smartest people that ever walked the planet.
They're watching this, and in real time, you watch this injection of votes in Pennsylvania.
Pennsylvania, you watched every time Iowa got close, they gave Fetterman this amount of votes.
You watched it in real time.
What we're going to do, we have to fix our election platform.
When I was at the RNC, I told them all, I said, you guys didn't lose five elections in a row because you spent money frivolously and you didn't campaign and all this other stuff, or you didn't have enough money, you spent it on this and that.
I said, you lost because it was the computer manipulation that goes along with this.
And there's other things that tie into that, that you have to have all these things that we're putting in illegal, early voting, all these other things.
You need to be able to pull those names in order to do this.
When we talk about same-day voting being harder to cheat than it is here, on that day they have to be very blatant slip votes, like you see Newsom's recall in California.
You watched in real time on TV, 200,000 votes go from a yes to a no.
When you trap them and you make them vote on same day, When people vote on the same day, they have to do something obvious like shut down 262 machines in Maricopa County.
At any other time in history, the media would have jumped in, the law enforcement would have jumped in and said, let's check into this, right?
What we're going to do, not just for 2024, what we're announcing on August 17th, immediately the next day, we're going to do Louisiana, Kentucky, Mississippi, Virginia, all of this is going to be put into place immediately, and everybody's going to embrace it in the whole country.
Matt will, you will, you will on TV.
It's never been done before, and it's never even been tried in world history.
And I'm telling you, everybody go to LyndaleEvent.com, and you can check it out right there, right now, and I'm telling you, It's not melt down the machines and turn them into prison bars because that's been talked about.
It's not paper ballot.
It's not ballot harvest because all that's been talked about.
This is something I can't put out now.
Or why?
Because you'd have people like Matt here putting up a thing there like the media does to suppress everything.
Every single thing that we try to do.
I have a voice.
God's given me this platform as a voice.
I have better things to do than spend $60 million investigating.
So I'm smarter than that.
I'm CEO of a monster company.
When box stores de-platformed us, we had to make a move or I would lay off employees.
I couldn't lay off.
We're like a family with all of our family.
We have careers there.
So we make moves.
I have to go, well, let's move them over here to mystore.com for shipping.
You have to make moves based on the footprint you're in.
The problem is with Matt and people like him, they're just misconstrued.
They don't even know the real footprint they're in right now, but that's fine.
We've solved that.
August 17th, everybody will see this, and like I say, it'll be streamed around the world on frankspeech.com, and it'll be in 50 languages because there's other countries that will finally have hope.
They will finally have hope because this will be used in their country, too.
Yeah, I mean there have been mechanical machines used for generations.
In fact, my very first election I participated in, I actually participated in the hand count myself, but we have all kinds of machines that have been used for tabulating votes for a long time.
But that's, again, unrelated to voter turnout and ballot harvesting.
But you keep, like, you're citing as evidence that you were watching the numbers come in from Edison or the New York Times.
No, that was CNN.
New York Times didn't do it yet.
It doesn't matter.
Those numbers are not authentic.
Those are data entered by a reporter who's at some office watching it.
Yeah, so the journals for people that are doing the data entry, they switch two numbers around by accident.
So I mean, I've been in cases where I've seen like the New York Times has the number different than what we know it is because we're actually in the office where they're announcing it.
So that's not evidence of anything.
You didn't know that I was the source, you didn't know I was the source, you didn't know that I was the source of your data.
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Matt, Matt, how do you explain 4,800 people, 4,800 people in Alabama that were deceased?
We just have to wait, we just have to wait until this magical conference where the curtain's going to come up and it's going to reveal all to us the solutions and we still have, we've gone almost two hours here, or no actually just an hour.
So little evidence and well all I'm saying is people you got to vote, you got to vote early, absentee, you want to vote on election day?
That's cool too but we have to we these people who are not showing up to vote we need to exert maximum pressure on them to get them to vote any way we possibly can and even you know the biggest actually you know I talked to Dr. Frank just this week Your friend.
And I said to him, well, look, Mike, because he's going to be, sorry, Dr. Frank, you've got this event, you're coming out, you're talking actually in Joe Kent's district.
And I said, look, but we had like 60,000 people that didn't show up, or I'm sorry, almost 100,000 didn't show up and vote.
Are you saying we shouldn't go to those people and say, hey, cast that ballot or at least make it that much harder to cheat?
And he says, look, in an ideal world, we would have
Everybody voting on election day and that's what I recommend in person etc but absent that if that's the best case scenario you can't yeah just get them to vote any way you can if you can't get them to vote that way on election day which is what this entire exercise is about and yet we have this guy saying that he's got this conference where all will be revealed and this gag order is going to be lifted and all the evidence will be presented like I've got real people secretaries of state calling me about his allegations looking for the evidence and it's nowhere to be seen.
I just want to ask, can you define ballots harvesting for our audience and talk about how it would be secure in the way that you're talking about doing it or with early voting?
Well, there's all kinds of ways to improve ballot security and one of the things that we've advocated at Look Ahead is to get rid of the signature verification, instead use thumbprint authentication.
I want to know what the practical applications if we're advocating for early voting right now.
The ideal is great, I'd love to hear it, but also what are we doing right now to ensure that ballot harvesting, if that's the best practice, is a secure way to have a secure election.
In fact, you casting your ballot early is an anti-fraud measure because it prevents somebody else from casting your ballot on election day showing up saying that I'm here.
There's no chain of custody.
And I've been there.
When the office gets the envelope, it's sealed and it's got your personal information on the interior The affidavit envelope, and on the inside of that, it's got another envelope which has your ballot in it.
It's kind of a time-tested, reliable way that we've always done it.
Now, that is just how it works in this country, and that's just how people have voted.
And we've got these, again, hundreds and hundreds, millions of people who have not cast a ballot.
If the only way we can get them to cast that ballot is to put it in the mail, at the very least, even if you believe everything he's saying, it just makes it that much harder for them to cheat.
The only way, I just tried to tell you with the Al Capone story, with the media right now, everything, let me finish, everything that comes out right now, all the things you're doing good, all the things, everything that everybody's out there, the successes, you're doing great things with the J6ers, whoever, who knows about it?
Nobody, nobody, because you're not, we lost, I'm gonna tell you something.
On January 7th and 8th, That's a significant two days in history.
That's the day 1.2 million Americans were de-platformed.
They were de-platformed on all these platforms that had spoke out about our election, and the ones that weren't were put into fear.
That's the day we almost lost our voice.
Now if you want to talk about lawfare, there was a certain company, I won't name them, sued a certain company on February 4th of 2021.
When they did that, everybody, conservative media, like your Foxes of the world and your Newsmax of the world and your Salem media, they won't talk about anything to do with our election platforms.
Zero, even 2,000 meals, Fox and Newsmax would not put on.
They will not talk about where we're going to fix our platforms.
So I get one shot at this.
One shot.
Right now, if I told you the plan here, it would die right here.
They would kill it.
They would die.
I'm telling you.
So we get one shot.
And I'm telling you, on August 17th, Go to LyndaleEvent.com right now.
I have to have it.
I'm going to get at least 10 million people watching that, and this is a plan that secures our election.
And you're going to be, I would love it if you're there, you will be going, wow, this has never even been thought of, and you're going to embrace it.
You will embrace it like you've never embraced anything.
And by the way, all the work you're doing on other stuff, And everyone out there that's been working tirelessly for two and a half years to fix our platforms.
Lawsuits.
You just had 16 people get lawsuits against them.
Felonies in Michigan yesterday.
You have Texas down there that just went off of Eric.
All these things.
We needed to have a plan.
Well, this plan, it puts it all in a bundle.
Here it is.
It's beautiful.
Based on where we're at right now, Matt.
Based on where we're at now.
Do I believe in going out and knocking doors and registering Republicans?
Absolutely.
100%.
Do I believe in precinct strategy, which I was a big part of and I promoted?
Absolutely.
And we've done those things.
But you know what?
We're moving forward.
The big picture, we cannot lose our country.
I don't care if you're—Jimmy Kimmel asked me, he asked me, he said, Mike, If the shoe was on the other foot and your friend Donald Trump had won, would you still be sounding the alarm?
I said, absolutely.
100% I would.
The Washington Post and Politico went back to Minnesota, and this is back in the spring of 21, they questioned people all around my county and said, would he really do this?
Would he still be fighting?
And everyone said yes.
If you read my book, I've been through stuff like this before.
It's critical what's happening now.
You know, for me to get the word out, you ask, why wouldn't I tell it now?
I've had to do stuff—been attacked, losing hundreds of millions of dollars.
Every dime I've had is gone putting money into this election to save our country, to save our future.
And if I have to sit in a claw machine on Jimmy Kimmel, I will do it.
That's why I did it.
You think I did it to be funny?
I did it because in between I can get the word out.
Remember the first thing I said to Jimmy Kimmel?
He goes—they had funny—this was inscripted.
I'm sitting in this claw machine to get the word out.
I said, Mike, he asked about the machines.
I said, Jimmy, Remember when we were kids and we thought all these carnival games, we said they were rigged?
And I said, yeah we did, but we didn't get sued when we spoke out about them.
And there was able to get the message out, we are in trouble as a country with these computers.
And you can sit there and now swing it like, oh I went after Dominion, but that's just to get a different kind of machine that's going to be more secure.
What I want to know, and I think what our audience wants to know is, If the concern is that 55% of Americans, based on this Pew Research poll, feel as though elections are not secure, and our objective is to get them to the polls, how do we have both things come true?
Oh, we do it like what we've done right now, whereas I'm debating the leading skeptic of early and absentee voting and demonstrating over and over again that he doesn't- No, let me finish!
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Why do you walk us through how early ballots are secure?
Look, in states where it's legal, and many places it is, you can walk up to somebody's house and say, hey, it seems according to our records you haven't returned your ballot yet.
It's really important in this election you do so.
Let us take your ballot and we'll put it in the drop box and return it to the county for you.
Can you give it to me?
And they do.
And that's what we do.
And those are the rules.
And those are the rules that are allowing the left and Democrats to refuse ballots.
Well, there's actually two things that will help you have some more confidence.
First of all, is that when I return it on every one of these states' websites, you can go and log in at the voting website and see that your ballot has in fact been received and when it was received.
So that is some authentication.
And on the interior of the ballot, which I don't have access to, you've got personal information you have to write down.
That they then confirm and check.
Again, it's not perfect because the signature verification is very subjective and that's why we've been advocating for thumbprint authentication on these.
So if I, these people whose houses I went to and retrieved these ballots from, They wouldn't have voted otherwise.
We wouldn't have gotten them in.
Or in the case of Virginia, where ballot harvesting in that way, legal ballot harvesting, isn't legal, what we can do is get them to fill out a form so that the state will mail them their early ballot and do so automatically every year.
And there's about 80% recidivism rate.
And while we can't physically take it from them, we can say, hey, you know, you still haven't returned your ballot yet.
If you return your ballot, you know, it helps me keep my job because I'm a doorknocker.
So there's all kinds of ways to do that.
And that basically answers your question on Yeah, it's definitely helpful.
I would say it's interesting that you're saying, you know, you have these door knockers, people will go out, but in my experience, Republicans are famously behind on their ground.
My question would be, separate from getting ballots to people and whether or not they're mailed in or harvested, how are you getting Young Republicans or young conservatives out on the field to support these things.
Do we actually have an infrastructure that would allow this to happen?
You know, what we have had a problem with recently is the parties had fractured ideas about it.
But now again, we can, you can do tweet one again, Julie.
We have everybody that really matters in the Republican Party.
We're all in the same message, even people who disagree with each other, who've run against each other.
We all recognize the importance of getting into the ballot harvesting game.
And I heard a wonderful, we got a The untouchable story told before.
Al Capone, I'll share a different one.
A football metaphor.
You know, it's not legal to do pass interference, right?
In football, okay?
But if the NFL decided one day to make pass interference legal, okay?
But one team said, you know, we're just not going to do that.
We don't think it's right that they change the rules.
We're not going to do pass interference.
but all the other teams are, how do you think things are going to go for that team?
That's the situation that we've been in for a long time.
And you know, even though I've had very big and public disagreements with Ronna Romney and the RNC, she is on the same page now with all of, you know, with the MAGA, right?
With everybody else, with everybody in the nonprofit world, like I am, we've got to do this.
We've got to get into the game.
We can fix the election system, but we can't do anything about it until we have power to do so.
And that takes winning elections.
And look, this guy's been at it for two and a half years.
We've got generations of people who know what they're doing, who didn't just wake up one day and get a report and then, you know, decide to spend $60 million chasing ghosts.
These are real people making real fights, winning and losing really important elections.
Well, I don't know where to start with that nonsense.
I have, right now, probably, my voice goes out to probably a million people in all 50 states that have been working tirelessly on the ground for two and a half years, getting evidence, going door to door, and saying, hey, did so-and-so vote here?
And they go, no.
And then we backtrack that.
I have a team that's probably 50 cyber guys alone that are on payroll that dig into this, these mathematical anomalies, these mathematical deviations that are impossible.
I'll just give you an example.
The Secretary of State of Florida I mean, hold on here, I'll get the numbers.
With our dirty voter rolls, you have in, I got to see here, in Wisconsin, or here it is, in Wisconsin, I got to get them all here.
Yeah, well, anyway, almost every state has at least 2 million more people that are on the dirty voter rolls than they have if everybody registered.
Wisconsin, it's over 3 million.
New York, over 2 million.
Florida, over 4 million.
So the more you have early voting and the more you have this You know, ballot harvesting, they're just pulling names from the rolls.
In Alabama, I mean, I don't know if Matt can explain, he can give you all the flack he wants about this evidence, since that evidence was put out with Dennis Montgomery.
Think of it a camera angle in a diamond store robbery, right?
A robbery of a diamond shirt.
You have one camera angle.
Now, since then, we have like three other camera angles.
I'm going to use the state of Florida.
In the 2020 election, 960,000 votes.
That's what this evidence said.
This is what he's saying, trying to discredit, because it's not all out there yet, and it will be because the judge just ruled it can't.
We went to the state of Florida.
We got all the voter rolls for the 2020 election, and we went out and they canvassed.
80,000, it's called Defend Florida.
They went out and canvassed, volunteers, thousands of them, went all over Florida, door to door, because six people or more that voted in a household.
We went right to them, it's right on the voter rolls, it said they voted.
We went there, it said two people lived there.
Well, what about these people?
Then you check into those names and you find out they're either deceased or they don't live in Florida.
Of those 80,000 homes or names that were canvassed—I'm just doing one example, it's all 50 states—that were canvassed, 20-some thousand of them were called phantom voters.
You like to use it for chasing a goat.
No, they were phantom voters, but they were real names that were voted.
In fact, South Carolina is the best example requiring aggressive voterless hygiene.
Somebody, look, I'm still on the voter roll in South Carolina even though I live in Virginia and registered to vote there.
They don't do a very good job monitoring their voters.
It's also a potential avenue for voter fraud.
I will acknowledge that.
But that is not a reason to not go to every supporter, patriotic door and say, "Hey, please vote early and by mail or in person," because that allows us not to have to target you anymore It also is the best way to secure your ballot.
Because even if you look, if you tell them to vote on Election Day, well, their kid's sick that day, their car breaks down, it's bad weather, something happens, like it did in Maricopa.
But nobody who cast votes by mail in Arizona had any issues.
It was just the people who waited until Election Day.
I'm going to tell everybody right now, he discredits cast vote records.
We can't look in the machines.
They won't let us look in there.
So these are the one thing we can get two things from under the Freedom of Information Act.
You can get the cast vote records and you can also get all the voter rolls.
I bought them.
I've got them all for everyone that voted 2020 and 2022.
Now in South Carolina, just last week, They're making or trying to pass a bill to make it so you can't get the cast vote records and to destroy the Freedom of Information Act that we the people, we want to see what's inside.
In Minnesota and South Dakota, they would not give these cast vote records up.
They're trying to stop us from what?
From seeing inside these computers and knowing what's going on.
If I had a bank error at my bank, if I had a problem with one of my Pillow's accounts, I'll tell you what, you go till you figure out that deviation.
I have thousands of accounts all over the country, podcasters, radio shows, whatever.
Everyone has their own defined promo code.
So I can track them and know, wow, this one did really good.
I just don't go rah, rah.
I find out why.
That's a deviation if something does really bad.
I dig until I find out why.
That's what people in this country spend two Two and a half years doing, till now we have everything, the evidence has been up on Frank's speech, it's been out there, but the media won't put it out there.
So when this guy comes in here and tries to discredit what these hundreds of thousands of people have done, quit their jobs and everything, to save this country and discredit the plan we have on August 17th, which has never been done before, you probably got your curiosity on that, and you can be there on August 17th and go, I was wrong.
I can almost, I'm pretty confident I can make a promise that the audience you have right now in this program is probably going to be larger than what you have for your conference.
But even when you put it in the box, even if it's working correctly, you still put the vote in a box, Mike.
So if you have the ability to take votes out of those boxes that were different you can still access the boxes that people would have put them in if the machines were working perfectly.
That's what the problem is with all of your allegations.
What is the role of election workers and on the ground?
We've talked a little bit today about the need for people to be on the ground, knocking on doors, talking to people, whether it be to collect ballots or just to register to vote.
What about poll workers?
You mentioned that you yourself were at a Dropbox on election night.
We encourage people to get involved with the election process, to be election place observers.
We're, as a nonprofit, we're able to get people in those roles in Virginia.
I'm actually doing some training on that in, I think, actually Wisconsin in September, training people on how to do that on the ground in Wisconsin.
I think it's important.
I think it's important that the day after the election you have election observers of all political parties and ideologies being able to walk out and say, look, We had eyes everywhere.
We had ears everywhere.
Even if we don't like the outcome of the election, we believe it was clean.
And we did that in 2017 in Virginia.
We had 30 locations all being monitored.
We may not have liked the outcome of the election in 2017, but we can say from everything we observed, it was clean.
We saw no evidence to the contrary, and I think that's important.
So I think it's important to have those election observers there, not just to catch problems, But, to be able to say afterwards to people who are skeptical or buying into the cockamamie schemes with no evidence that, oh, the election was hacked, the machine switched it, I think it's important.
So I would encourage people to volunteer for that and look ahead, America's been leading the way on that front.
They get involved with a lot of things, but they actually vote the people in with the GOP.
They actually do a lot of stuff, but it's a very important role.
They've been empty in the Republican Party for a long time until precinct strategy, until that came along.
To fill them up.
In South Dakota alone, I think we filled up 800 and they haven't been filled for decades.
And the other thing is, you know, you talk about poll watchers.
I want to tell everyone, with the plan in August 17th, don't be afraid of what happened in 2020 when you were a poll watcher and you went out there and you've seen things happen.
Like in Michigan, 106 votes come down for Biden in the middle of the night and 3,000 for Donald Trump.
And they said, oh, those darn mail-in votes.
The mail-in votes in Michigan were counted on the morning of the 3rd.
So all these people that spoke up and said what they've seen, because they didn't come from mail-in votes.
We don't know where they came from.
They spoke up, and you know what?
Over 200 of them were sent threatening letters, sued, and we had a lawsuit.
We still have it ongoing.
They turned around and sued the machine companies and said, how dare you send us these.
Matt got two letters like that that he fails to disclose here.
But I'm just saying that these poll watchers were out there.
What happened then?
What were they trying to protect?
Protect us using these electronic devices.
You know, one of our things that happened in Arizona, in the Kerry Lake lawsuit that we've been pushing through, still going on by the way, A judge said to one of my attorneys, he said, yeah, you know, there's a vulnerability in paper ballots here in county, too.
You know, people cheated.
They've been cheating forever.
And you know what my lawyer said?
He said, yeah, that's true.
Then what you can do with a computer by hitting a button and just changing a zero or do whatever, and everywhere else a cyber threat is the biggest threat to our world.
And he said, but if you cheat the other way, you'd have to have a cabal of people the size of Nevada.
And to do the kind of cheating that can go on.
So what I'm saying is when you talk about the poll watchers, when you see after this plan that we're putting forth on August 17th, all these questions will be answered and everyone's going to go, why didn't someone do this sooner in world?
It's never been talked about.
And Matt, I put a challenge to you.
I would like you to come to the event because I would like you to say, you're just misconstrued.
And I get that.
You've been around a long time.
You don't know.
You don't get it.
And you're trying to do something.
You're an activist.
You've done great things for the January 6th people.
I mean, probably more so than anyone.
But you don't know what the reality is of this uniparty and attack on our country.
We're gonna lose our country if we don't fix our platforms now.
We can't wait around, and if people don't tune in, you make a joke about the people tuning in.
Come bring it in here and try to discredit the biggest... If I wanted to badly damage Democrats' confidence in elections and dissuade them from voting, I would have somebody go into that community and tell them that their votes are being stolen, they don't count, and do not, by all means, do not cast your vote through the simplest, easiest way for you to cast that ballot.
Do it in the most difficult and hardest way possible only, because only then you'll be sure you win.
I would love to have an agent go into the Democratic Party and spread that message.
Instead, we have somebody coming on our side of the aisle spreading that message.
You talk about canvassing.
I did canvassing too.
I had a very different story though, a very different outcome.
There was somebody that was curious about these phantom voters, ghost voters, and they said, look Matt, I want you to come down to Georgia, to Atlanta, Fulton County, And see what's going on.
And we created this universe of people who either had voted in the 2020 election, had never voted before, or had voted not in a long time.
Or they were just recently registered, okay?
Just freshly registered.
So we identify this universe and we had a whole team of people go out.
And look, if you're reckless with this, be very careful because you know the FBI will come after you for voter intimidation because you go to somebody's house saying, where's this person they cast a vote or something like that.
Instead what we did was we just asked to see the person because we want to ask them, as somebody who hasn't voted in a long time or maybe it's their first time voting, was it easy?
Are there ways we can improve the system?
It's just a document so it's more friendly but we're still determining whether or not that person really exists or not and whether or not they really cast a ballot.
And what we found were thousands of people who were freshly registered or who had been registered a long time ago and not shown up to vote but did so this time.
Why?
Because Stacey Abrams and her organization was funded and went door-to-door and did everything they could to make sure these, I looked them in the eye.
They existed and they told me that they exist and they cast those ballots.
They were freshly registered.
They were freshly turned out through ballot harvesting and similar schemes.
And that was a wake-up call to me because, you know, I was curious.
Are these, is this a massive fraud thing?
Because we're always open to it.
But that was what we found.
Now, you can also electronically immediately identify, you know, Quote-unquote ghost voters, people who don't live at that address anymore.
They're still on the roll.
They got a ballot.
They shouldn't have cast it.
We've identified thousands of people like that, and we're trying to get them removed from the rolls.
And in some cases, we've had them vote both in their home state and in an outside state.
So we've got a lot of open cases on double voting.
We've got three convictions of double voting so far.
And, you know, again, we're a small organization.
We're not $60 million.
We're like, I think, about $400,000 to $500,000 on this effort, because that's all we got.
And we punch way above our weight at Look Ahead America.
I can drop a website too, right?
Support us or sign up to volunteer at lookaheadamerica.org.
You know, in California everybody, here's your early voting ballot harvesting type thing.
In California, in the Newsom, in that election and that recall, There was at least, I would say, thousands and thousands of people that got there and they said, you've already voted.
You ballot harvest, and I'm telling you, when you found all these people, oh, they didn't go vote, you don't know that.
Because they could have mailed their vote in, and there's the trash.
California is a great example of ballot harvesting.
In 2022, hold on.
In 2022, Republicans in California decide, you know what?
We're tired of losing on this harvesting game where it's wildly legal, should be changed, shouldn't operate the way it should.
I agree.
I would support making ballot harvesting legal, okay?
I completely support that.
But in California, The Republicans said, you know what, we're getting the game.
And what they did is they set up their own drop boxes at areas close to their constituency.
And we picked up a bunch of congressional seats.
In fact, they did it so well, the Democrats actually sued them.
And the state came after them for doing that because they were doing it so well, that was starting to become a threat to their dominance in the state.
They were picking up congressional districts that they never thought they would win.
And again, that's because of the leadership of people like Harmeet Dhillon and other people in the California party who are leading the way in this fight.
Harmeet Dhillon, by the way, is the one that pulled out of Arizona.
I'm going to tell you this.
In California, it's one of our best states.
We're on the first day of this event.
We're going to have all 50 states up there on August 16th.
We're going to show you the hope for each state.
In California, starting with Shasta County, They have went machine-free, these courageous people have went machine-free, and we have 18 other counties we're working with.
Machine-free paper ballots, hand counting, just like they did in the election in Osage County, Missouri.
This is from the county up, everybody.
Most states, you can make these decisions from the county up.
You can go into your county and say, we don't want that machine.
They're not transparent.
We want transparent elections.
Now, if you do this, if they get rid of Which we will, eventually will be gone.
But let's say it's Shasta County, California.
Now all of a sudden, or Osage, I'll use Osage County, Missouri.
You use that, and now if all Missouri goes machine-free, and you say, well, we put in ballot harvesting.
You know what?
By taking the steel out of the machines, now with ballot harvesting, you can steal without machines.
If I'm voting on Election Day and I live in a county that, you know, if you're saying from now and then you should lobby your county, get rid of voting machines, I understand.
But if we get to election day in November of 2024, and I live in a county that I haven't voted early in, let's say, because I'm not listening, I guess, and they have a voting machine, are you saying that I shouldn't vote because we just can't trust the machine?
This is based on with the counties we know where there were no machine manipulation and extrapolate.
What if there was a world where you could take out all the computers Out of it.
70%, 68% red.
That you see my Miami-Dade County red, right?
All across our country, what they have done to our country, if they've lied to us, the United Party, and you take, when you're gonna cheat with a computer, if I told you, Matt, if I said, what county do you live in?
I wanted to get this word out about this announcement we're making at this event.
Go to LyndaleEvent.com because on August 17th, everything we're talking about and debating here is going to go.
It's not going to matter, Matt, and I'm telling you that.
It's not going to There's going to be a new thing, here's what we all do, and everyone will agree on it.
We'll come back here on August 18th on this show, if you want, and you will say, yep, I apologize, you know what, but you don't have to apologize because you're just misconstrued.
This conversation makes me think of a line from Scott Pressler that said, The thing is elections aren't won in one day because there's a lot of work that comes in later and I think you would agree with that.
Even if you wanted everyone to show up on one day to vote you would agree that there is months and months and months years even of work that go into it.
I'm curious to hear Matt Let's talk about how you feel time is best used in the next, you know, just over a year, year and a half that we have.
What are the best things people should know about, in addition to early voting, that they have at their disposal?
Because I think the fear that your vote is going to be somehow manipulated or lost is unfortunately... It's helping the Democrats and it's helping the left.
It's helping the Democrats, but it is something, studies bear this out, people feel like they lack confidence.
All of these people, from President Trump, to Mark Fincham, to even Matt DiPerno, all on the same side.
DiPerno is completely misconstrued.
You have to think about why there is hesitancy.
And the way I deal with it is by debating people who, you know, call military veterans traitors to the country when they ask for evidence, or call me a liar, or question my pedigree and my background.
Look, in Virginia this year, we have, through Look Ahead America, a non-profit, non-partisan, we're doing everything we can to get disaffected patriotic Americans of rural and blue-collar backgrounds to vote, preferably vote early, preferably sign up for automatic absentee.
If you sign up at lookaheadamerica.org, we are going to give you ten addresses.
of these people in the state of Virginia.
And we're going to ask you to send them a personal postcard from your beautiful part of the country, encouraging them to sign up to get their early absentee ballot or to at least vote.
However they want to vote, just make sure they vote and to encourage them to do that.
So again, a lot of people watching this, they cast their vote, maybe they give a few dollars, is the chance they have to probably have the biggest impact on an election they ever had, is to send 10 postcards to people who are not inclined to vote in Virginia this year in 23, to get them to show up and vote and get their absentee ballot permanent form filled out, or to show up in person at the election office, or even election day.
I have no objection to that, So if you're asking for something people can do beyond just voting, this is the activity that we can get them involved in.
It costs almost no money and it's actually kind of fun to pick out a postcard.
I mean, I guess if you're sending from Virginia, I'm West Virginia.
Yeah, so you sign like a cool, like mountain mama, you know, beautiful landscape, send that postcard.
And the thing is that we're going to send mail.
And a lot of times political mail goes in the trash, but postcards don't go in the trash so quickly.
It's like, what?
This is a handwritten postcard.
You know what?
Maybe I should vote.
So that's what I'd encourage people to do.
And we'll be doing this program in 24, assuming we get the funding for it.
But right now we've just, all we've got is a quarter mil to spend in Virginia doing voter turnout this year in 23.
And if we are able to do a good job of it and show that we do get our people to sign up for early voting, to cast those absentee ballots or in person or election day, that will prove that using a C3 to do this and using high pressure tactics work and hopefully we can get funding for statewide operations in 24 where so much more is at stake.
I want everybody out there to have a piece about the next election, not 2024, even the ones coming up, even your local elections, school board elections.
Once we announce this on August 17th, remember, it's never been talked about before, man, never been done before in world history.
This is a divine plan and everybody will embrace it.
I don't care if you're a Democrat, Republican, Liberal.
Now let me finish before you cut in.
So, I tell everyone to have a piece, because what I told certain people, I said, I've talked to them about this ballot harvesting nonsense, and they said, you know what, at least you could quit talking about it until after August 17th.
I'll tell you what, after August 17th, Matt, you can sit here and you can tell all the world, all this nonsense, because you know what?
There's a piece, everybody keeps talking about something that's a year and a half away, and to get out and do this ballot harvesting and do all this, we had enough people turn out.
I told the RNC, you know what I told them?
When I was there before the 168, I said, you guys won five elections in a row.
All this nonsense about, oh, you spend money, you need to campaign hire, you need to all this stuff.
No, you already have Those people are already there.
Enough already voted.
They needed to fix their election platforms that they overlooked for five elections in a row.
And I'm talking the Georgia runoff with the two senators and all that.
By the way, do you know I prayed that they would take both those senators in Georgia?
You know why?
On January 4th, I was in Georgia, and I got my knees and prayed, God, please, I'm a marketer, and I'm going, what are they doing?
If I would have been the bad people, and I call it the Uniparty Globalist Deep State, I would have said, give them back a Republican so they shut up about this election.
Had they done that, everyone would have said, oh, we'll campaign harder in 2022, we'll get them back, but they took them both, because evil is greedy.
When they took them both, everybody knew where they were at, going, now what are we going to do?
And you see our country's being destroyed, but if I was their marketer and when the administration came in in 2021, I would have said, don't do anything stupid to ruin our country.
And you know, they'll keep believing that socialism and just having a cup of coffee with your friend.
Instead, they shut down the pipeline, they opened up our borders, fentanyl pouring in, killing our children, all these things going on right now that are actually—the place we're in now, you need—I think you all needed this.
This has all been in God's time.
You need this to happen.
So people get their eyes open going, you know what?
We are in, our country's being overtaken.
I agree, I agree going, you know, do everything you can, but you gotta do the things that are right.
You can't say, if your best day, and we have time, if your best day, we talked about at the beginning of the show, in a perfect world election, which five other countries we named earlier, same day voting, paper ballots, hand counting, precinct level, voter ID, And if you can get to that, that would be the perfect thing.
Why would you, a year and a half early, start blabbing off about, we're going to do what they do, we're going to do what they do, and give in on this?
We have fought, everyone I have, everyone in this country that has given up their jobs and everything to fight for this perfect one-day voting in this situation.
All that would have been flushed down the toilet if we had this plan, because it would have been people like Matt that said, go ballot harvest, do as they do.
When we have fought in every state, right now Osage County, a lot of places in Missouri and California, we have over 200.
A hundred to two hundred counties that are already going to be right here in this slot.
And we have a year and a half to get them to that slot, but now with the plan, we can deal with the footprint we're in.
So I'm telling everybody, LyndaleEvent.com, I put my money into stuff.
Tens of millions of dollars.
Sixty million dollars.
I'm not trying to raise money for my charity to sit here as a thing, because a lot of people that are out there ballot harvest, ballot harvest, and doing stuff.
That's how they're making their money for their charity.
I'm not asking for money.
I'm asking you to watch the plan.
I put in this event alone $5 million of my money.
I borrowed money to do this.
This plan needs to be heard.
Then you can come back here, Matt, and all the people you think out there that Mike Lindell's a conspiracy theory.
You know what?
Before this, I'm in full disclosure what I was.
I was an ex-crack addict, an ex-addict, and I said, when God set me free of that, I wanted everyone in this country to get You know, get out of addiction, get to Jesus.
And one of the things going on right now, we're in the greatest revival for Jesus Christ in history, because you don't look to God when things are going good.
It's usually when things are going pretty bad.
But I'm here to tell you, when I was on that Rose Garden stage and I said, we prayed for grace, God gave us grace for such a time as this.
And people say, Mike, this doesn't feel like grace.
It is grace, because it's opened eyes to people.
When we get through this, we're going to get to this beautiful place we're going to get to, and we're going to look back, and everything had to happen just the way it did, including this debate.
Because what is this debate doing?
Only one thing—getting the word out to watch that event on August 16th and 17th.
You watch it.
I'm not asking for money.
I'm asking you to watch it.
I want the world to watch it, because if I not watch it, Then we don't have to worry about the media attacking the plan or going it because everybody hears about it.
We have this cartoon world where somebody who woke up two and a half years ago is now the nation's foremost experts on how machines are hacking the elections and is completely unsecure despite not presenting any evidence.
And then you have the real world where Where I live.
With all these elected officials, these leaders in the movement, leaders in the party, people have won elections, people have been on the front lines.
I actually, going all the way back to the year 2000, I was at the RNC where we were fighting in Florida after the election because it was also very close and trying to identify illegal ballots, trying to secure that.
So I've been at this for an incredibly long time but I think I think there's a bigger problem in our party right now, too, that I think we're learning about a little bit here is that he made a couple of points about, you know, he's spending millions of his own dollars, right?
And I'm not personally wealthy.
I actually take a salary from Look Ahead America.
It's on this 990 form.
My salary is about $55,000 a year, and that's fine.
And if I got every dollar we get more that we raise, then that means I can hire more field organizers to go to doors in Virginia, right?
So, look, it's definitely not a moneymaker for me, but it reminds me of—I took a trip to the middle of the country to visit a major dollar donor, okay?
And this was a well-known major dollar donor, and there were many other elected officials there who were trying to raise money from him.
I was there with a client who was trying to get a contribution from him.
And what was interesting is that this donor had a fixation on an issue, right?
And his issue was that the public needs to understand.
We need Tucker Carlson to do a segment on the fact that we're a republic, not a democracy, okay?
And while most people in that room, the elected officials on the stump, etc., they never talk about that issue.
Now, he's right.
I agree with him completely, right?
I agree with the principle behind it.
But that's where his fixation was.
It wasn't on any of the urgent things, but that was what his fixation was.
And because he was the guy that controlled the purse and the money, everybody in the room, suddenly they were all enthusiasts for that argument.
Enthusiasts for, yeah, we should teach that in the schools.
Yeah, I'll talk to Tucker's producer.
We'll get it on.
All these kinds of things.
Why?
Because they need to satisfy the donor's interest.
So here we have a case where somebody who I don't think would be taken seriously, but anywhere else in the country would be just some guy on the barstool, dismissed as a lunatic, has all this attention.
Why?
Because he has the ability to write million dollar checks.
And suddenly that perverts all the attention people pay attention to him because he has this ability to fund it.
Like he says, look, I want to pay two million dollars.
I want to pay millions of dollars bounty to discover, you know, a packet capture of Chinese computers hacking elections, right?
So obviously somebody wants that money so they show up and they present evidence, which is completely fake, but he believes it and he does a cyber symposium presenting it.
Or somebody else wants to get paid so they come up with this thing of, you know, votes swapping all over the country.
Of course we can't have the evidence.
So what I'm getting at here, what I'm getting at here is that Ordinarily, the guy, the original donor, who was like, had a hard-on for a, we're a republic, not a democracy, I don't mind him.
That's cool.
The problem is that the direction that Lindell has been leading people is destructive.
It's destructive to our objectives, it's destructive to our agenda.
I wish we had a counterpart like him on the other side telling their people that, you know, it's all rigged, the machines are going to steal your votes, the chain of custody issues, that's why you Can't vote in the easiest way possible.
You must vote in the most difficult possible way on election day by driving to the polling place.
I wish we had somebody like him on the other side, but this is what we're stuck with, son.
Look, I'm asking you people, stay out of cartoon world.
Come with me in the real world.
Come with me with President Trump and Marjorie Taylor Greene and Scott Pressler and Mark Fincham and even Matt DiPerno and join us in this effort to get more of our people Gentlemen, I want to thank you both for coming out today.
We actually have to wrap up.
up for absentee ballot to harvest their ballot where it's legal.
Join us, join us in the world world and stay out of cartoon world.
I'm just here for one reason, and that is so that you all go to LyndaleEvent.com.
I'm not asking for money.
This event's going to cost me probably $3 million.
I want you all to watch the plan that's going to secure our elections.
And one day, it's never been thought of before, never been done before in world history, And all this stuff here, don't worry about it, because come August 17th, we will all say, wow, this is beautiful, and we will all have hope.
Whether you're a Democrat or Republican, I do, the things I've done too, I look for the Democrats, like that lady that got zero votes in her own precinct down in Georgia.
We've been here, this stuff has been, we have to save our country, and I agree with Matt only on one thing.
People should be involved.
People should be involved.
We should do everything we can to fix our election platforms.
This isn't about winning or losing.
We fix our election platforms, and I'm happy with anyone, I'm okay with anyone that legitimately wins.
And until we fix those platforms, you can't be doing nonsense that helps the cheat or helps the steal.
And so after this event, you watch this and I think, well I know, we're all going to be in agreement, countries around the world will be watching, people around the world, and I would really like to come back here after that because you're going to have a piece and you're going to say, and Matt will say, you know what, great idea, perfect, let's save our country.
I'm so thankful to all of you guys for joining us and letting me moderate this lively debate Friday morning.
I'm really grateful to be a part of this culture war, and I'm especially grateful for Tim, who's away sick right now or getting some treatments done, for letting me fill in for him.
Again, we're all grateful that you tuned in.
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