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tom homan
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ben bergquam
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Monday's Meeting 00:14:53
jasmine wright ▲ ● ▼
leading the administration's enforcement actions as the White House wars are.
unidentified
Here we go.
tom homan ▲ ● ▼
Good morning.
Too early, isn't it?
Look, I've been giving talking points and I don't like reading speeches, never have, but my chief of staff did put some stuff down here in writing just to make sure I don't miss anything.
So I'm going to be reading a little bit and then we're going to open up for questions.
I've been on the ground less than three full days.
I got in here on Monday.
President of the United States called me Monday morning and asked me to deploy here.
Got here Monday evening and I'm staying so the problem's gone.
But we've made a lot of progress, a lot of progress in the last three days.
Marcos Charles, he's running ICE operations here.
There you go.
Rodney Scott, Commissioner of Customs and Border Protection, stand here beside me.
Good morning, I'm Tom Holman on the Borders Are for President Trump.
I'm here on behalf of the President, along with U.S. Commissioners, Commissioner of U.S. Customs and Border Protection, Rodney Scott, and Marcos Charles, who's leading the enforcement effort here right now.
I've been on the ground since Monday to regain law and order in the city beloved by me and work together to remove threats from the community.
During the past administration, we all remember more than 10 million illegal aliens entered this nation.
Many were national security threats, public safety threats.
We can't remember two million, two million known gotaways.
Two million people who paid more to get away.
Why?
That's just scared the hell out of everybody.
President Trump promised American people, including the residents of Minnesota, that he would work to ensure our communities are safe.
And with that, this administration has absolutely focused on identifying removal aliens that pose a public safety threat and national security threats.
And the numbers prove it.
The data proves it.
In the past few days, I've met with Governor Waltz, Attorney General Ellison, Mayor Frye, numerous police chiefs and sheriffs, and I have more to meet.
I'll also be continuing the dialogue with business and religious leaders in partnership with Minnesota, their communities.
I'll be meeting with them too because I want to hear what they have to say.
In my meetings with folks so far, and most importantly, Governor and the AG and Mayor Frye, we didn't agree on everything.
I didn't expect to agree on anything.
I've heard many people want to know why we're talking to people who they don't consider friends to administration.
Bottom line is you can't fix problems if you don't have discussions.
I didn't come to Minnesota for photo ops or headlines.
You haven't seen me.
I came here to seek solutions.
And that's what we're going to do.
And we've come a long way.
And we got some good wins for the people of Minnesota, I think, and for the administration and for the safety and security of this city.
One thing we did agree on, though, everybody I talked to agreed on, was that community safety is paramount.
One thing we all agreed on was U.S. Immigration Customs Enforcement was a legitimate law enforcement agency that has a duty to enforce the laws enacted by Congress and keep this community safe.
Like I've said many times for last several years, even before this administration, jurisdictions that refuse to cooperate with federal immigration authorities are sanctuaries for criminals.
Sanctuary cities are sanctuaries for criminals and endangers the residents of the community.
To be clear, we did not agree with Minnesota State and local officials that they would be involved in immigration enforcement.
I didn't ask them to be immigration officers.
I'm asking them to be cops working with the cops to help us take criminal aliens off the street.
What we did agree upon is not to release public safety arrests back in the community when they could be lawfully transferred to ICE.
I'll speak more about that.
I will highlight that the Minnesota State Prison System under the Department of Corrections have been honoring ICE detainers.
And we appreciate that important collaboration and we're going to expand upon that.
That decision has made Minnesota safer, not only for residents of Minnesota, but the men and women law enforcement.
Not just ICE, all law enforcement.
Rather than arresting the same public safety threat, significant public safety threat over and over again, they agree to work with us to identify those people and remove them.
I'm also pleased to announce I had a very good meeting with Attorney General Ellison and he has clarified for me that county jails may notify ICE of the release dates of criminal public safety risks so ICE can take custody of them upon the release from the jail.
And let me tell you why that's important.
I know people are a lot concerned about the manpower that's been set in law enforcement manpower.
Look, I've said this many times before, I've said it for the last several years.
Give us access to the illegal alien public safety threat in the safety and security of a jail.
It's common sense.
It's safer for the community, it's safer for the agent, and it's safer for the alien.
Because anything happened on street arrest.
It just made common sense.
And for the people that argue, well, we're a welcoming community because we want victims and witnesses of crime that are here illegally to feel safe to come to police without fear of their work with ICE.
We're not going to talk to the victim witness of crime.
There's no problem there.
They should feel safe to come to the police and ask for help.
All we want is to talk to the person that local and state law enforcement authorities locked in a jail cell.
They chose to lock this person up.
That's what we want to talk to, the public safety threat.
So the argument is that protects victim witnesses of crime.
It's a bunch of crap.
Victims and witnesses of crime don't want the bad guy back in their neighborhood either.
So great progress with there with the Attorney General and local sheriffs.
And one thing, when we have these agreements, it takes less law enforcement agents to do the job.
One agent can arrest one bad guy in the safety and security of a jail where he's behind the wire.
We know we don't have weapons.
But when you normally release that public safety threat, illegal alien back in the community, we have a job to do.
We're going to arrest them.
So we're going to find them.
And what happens is now we've got to arrest somebody on his turf.
We have access to who knows what weapons.
Now we've got to send the whole team out.
Cover the back door, cover the front door, officer safety reasons.
Then because of the hateful rhetoric and the attacks on ICE officers, now we've got to send a security team behind the arrest team.
So what could have been done with one person in a safety and security jail, now we got 15, 16 people out there doing it.
I know that causes stress in the community.
So if we get these agreements in place, that means less agents on the street.
More agents in the jail means less agents in the street.
This is common sense cooperation that allows us to draw down on the number of people we have here.
Yes, I said it.
Draw down the number of people here.
Because we have the efficiency and safety of the jails in the prison.
Matter of fact, I have staff from CBP and from ICE working on a draw-down plan.
What does that look like based on the cooperation?
What does that look like based on how many targets we have left to find?
In my meetings with Governor Walsh, A.G. Ellison, and Mayor Fry, as well as state and local law enforcement, again, I appreciate they all acknowledge that we do have federal immigration laws in this country that have been passed by Congress and that ICE is in fact a legitimate law enforcement agency charged with enforcing those laws.
We're not making this up, folks.
ICE is enforcing the laws enacted by Congress.
They're a federal statute.
That said, I'm not here because the federal government has carried this mission out perfectly.
First thing I said to senior staff when I walked in here is what I told you earlier.
I didn't come here looking for photo ops or headlines.
I come here looking for solutions.
I do not want to hear that everything that's been done here has been perfect.
Nothing's ever perfect, anything to be improved on.
And what we've been working on is making this operation safer, more efficient by the book.
The mission is going to improve because of the changes we're making internally.
No agency organization is perfect.
President Trump and I, along with others in the administration, have recognized that certain improvements could and should be made.
That's exactly what I'm doing here.
As such, in meetings I've had with federal law enforcement managers, including ICE and CBP and other federal partners, as well as state and local officials, I have conveyed the President's expectations with regard to federal immigration enforcement efforts.
We will conduct targeted enforcement operations.
Targeted.
What we've done for decades.
When we hit the streets, we know exactly who we're looking for.
Good idea where we may find them.
You have a criminal history.
You have their immigration history.
A lot of information about this person that we get from numerous databases out there.
Targeted strategic enforcement operations.
That's traditionally been the case and that's where we're going.
That's what we're going to continue to do and improve upon that, with a prioritization on public safety threats.
I want to be clear.
I don't read a lot of social media.
I don't read a lot of media.
I can only believe half what I see.
We are not surrendering the president's mission in immigration enforcement.
Let's make that clear.
Prioritization of criminal ambulance doesn't mean we forget about everybody else.
That's just simply ridiculous.
But when you have a criminal standing here and a non-criminal standing there, that criminal always should be targeted because he's a significant concern to the safety and security of the community.
By at large, for decades, the ICE and CBP have carried out their duties with integrity, professionalism, and compassion.
That remains the expectation under President Trump, and we will, I will, hold our agents and officers to that standard.
I'm almost done, and Tom can be time.
As far as the agitators, that said, I want to reiterate and make very clear.
I want to make it clear.
ICE and CPP officers are performing their duties in a challenging environment under tremendous circumstances.
But they're trying to do it with professionalism.
If they don't, they'll be dealt with.
Like any other federal agency, we have standards of conduct.
They are sworn law enforcement officers working tirelessly to enforce our country's border security and immigration laws, protecting the interests of our country and preventing dangerous people from walking the streets of this nation where they're not supposed to be here to begin with.
Men and women, I was a Board of Trilasian.
I was an ICE agent.
I was the first ICE director that came up through the ranks.
I spent over 40 years doing this.
These men and women that carry that badge and gun are American patriots.
They put themselves on the line for this nation every day.
I want you to remember they don't hang their badge.
They don't hang their heart on a hook every day to come to work.
They're mothers and fathers too.
They're sons and daughters too.
And if they've seen a fraction of the tragedies I've seen in my career, they take a lot of damage home to it every day.
The things they've seen, especially on the border with Board of Trilasons.
People drowning in the river.
Women being raped by criminal cartels.
Giving CPR to a baby that was thrown in the river by the cartels because Board Patrol came too close.
So let's throw the baby in the river.
That way the Board of Patrol was concentrating on that so I can get away.
These men and women have seen some terrible things.
But I want you to remember they're mothers and fathers too.
Many of them are members of this community.
God bless every one of them.
God Bless Our Border Patrol 00:10:25
tom homan ▲ ● ▼
The hostile rhetoric and dangerous threats and hate must stop.
And we all agree to that.
All everybody met here today, we've got to stop the rhetoric, the hateful rhetoric that has caused an increase in assaults.
That has caused, because of that, has to send security teams out with arrest teams, which surge this city with additional resources because of the rhetoric, because of the threats, because of the assaults.
Again, with the agreements we've achieved and following through the agreements, with the rhetoric dropping down, that allows us to pull more agents out once we feel the environment safer.
I begged for the last two months on TV for the rhetoric to stop.
I said in March if the rhetoric didn't stop, there was going to be bloodshed.
And there has been.
I wish I wasn't right.
I don't want to see anybody die.
Not officers, not members of the community, and not the targets of our operations.
For the people out there who don't like what ISA is doing, if you want certain laws reformed, then take it up with Congress.
Again, ISIS is making this up.
They're enforcing laws enacted by Congress and signed by the President.
The same laws have been on the books for the last six presidents I worked for.
I started with President Reagan and ending with President Trump.
Every administration, we enforce the same laws.
If you don't like what ISIS is doing, instead of protest in this building, go protest Congress.
Tell me we want changes.
If you have your First Amendment rights, I support that.
You have the right to protest.
I'm just asking to keep it peaceful.
But threatening law enforcement officers, engaging in impeding and obstruction and assault, is never okay.
And there will be zero tolerance.
You interfere, impede, assault and ISIS officers, you will be arrested.
Like I said a bit earlier, my meetings with Governor Walts and Ellison and Fray, as well as state and local law enforcement, I appreciate they acknowledge this, that public safety should be paramount.
The chiefs I've talked to committed to responding to 911 calls when protesters turn violent, agents are in a dangerous situation, and there's assaults.
They have committed to upholding public safety and responding to the needs.
Not to enforce immigration law, but to keep the peace.
With that, I call upon those officials to stand shoulder to shoulder with us to tone down the dangerous rhetoric and condemn all unlawful actions against law enforcement in the community.
There are many ways to voice you to, your voice can be heard, express your feelings and affect change in the country without crossing that line.
Political and other disagreements in this realm should not be expense of public safety or the safety of federal law enforcement officers.
In closing, I want to thank the state and local officials here in Minnesota that I met with and the many I'm going to meet with.
We've had meaningful dialogue.
And look, again, we didn't agree on everything, but we agreed on the things I just talked about.
There's much more we can do.
And I'm going to continue this dialogues.
I've got many more community leaders to talk to.
I've got many more shares to meet.
President Trump wants this fixed.
And I'm going to fix it.
With your help.
I want to thank President Trump for his unwavering commitment to public safety and prosperity to every American.
Under President's leadership, we have the most secure border in the history of this nation, which means less women are being raped, less children are dying crossing that border.
Less fentanyl is getting this country to kill Americans.
Less known aspects of terrorists are causing that country.
And we don't have two million unknown gotaways.
We don't know who the hell they are.
A secure border in which we have stronger national security.
A secure border saves lives.
When 96% less people come in, how many women aren't being sex just told to have been members of the cartel?
How many people aren't dying making that journey?
How many Americans aren't dying of fentanyl overdoses?
How many women and children aren't being sex trafficked in this nation?
The data proves it.
Anybody can find that data.
So God bless this great nation.
God bless Minnesota.
We can do better.
And I think your local and state leaders meeting with me, we made some significant gains, significant coordination and cooperation.
And you're going to see some massive changes occurring here in this city.
Thank you.
unidentified
Thank you.
Thank you so much.
I'm Mr. Holmes and Jovanda Delortho with the Associated Press.
Based on how you have described these changes in the mission.
Can you be more specific about the objectives of the rational metro surge?
If what you have described changes the parameters for interior enforcement only in Minnesota or also in Maine and other places.
And finally, when would you consider that those objectives will be achieved and this operation will end?
Is it in terms of agents on the ground, in terms of who you are targeting for arrests?
tom homan ▲ ● ▼
The withdrawal of law enforcement resources here is dependent upon cooperation.
Like I said, one agent rests on one guy, bad guy in jail means less agents on the street.
We have some agreements.
We got more to talk about how we're going to implement those agreements.
But as we see that cooperation happen, then the redeployment will happen.
Look, target enforcement operations should happen across the nation.
That's what we've done for decades.
And with target enforcement operations, I've done many, many of them.
It just makes it safer for everybody.
When we know exactly what we're looking for, what is his criminal history?
What is his immigration history?
Where does he live?
Is he an apartment complex versus a house?
Has he got a known record for having weapons?
It's safer for everybody.
Then we know what type of resources we need to go.
And, you know, it just makes this operation cleaner, more efficient, and it's proven less violence when we know exactly what we're getting into and we can take the necessary precautions to keep everybody safe.
You know, some of the operations that I've been involved in, we know there's children in the house based on surveillance.
So we know you've got to be a little bit different when you go into the house because there's going to be children present.
So target enforcement operations, the way we've always done it, I think we've got away from a little bit.
And we're going to make sure we do target enforcement operations.
And look, I will say it again: you know, we are not surrendering our mission at all.
We're just doing it smarter.
unidentified
Shimon Procopez from CNN.
Mr. Holman, how did we get here?
shimon prokupecz ▲ ● ▼
In terms of, you had Greg Bobino, who was the face of this immigration operation.
The mission, as you say, to having border patrol agents in the interior of this country, stopping U.S. citizens, asking them for ID, creating this fear in places like Chicago and now here.
And then finally, it took really the death of Alex Petty for us to get here.
unidentified
How did that happen?
shimon prokupecz ▲ ● ▼
Who made the decisions to allow this kind of operation to proceed in this way and to create such fear?
tom homan ▲ ● ▼
Well, look, the Border Patrol, last 40 years under Joe Biden, we had an open border where 10,000, 12,000 people a day are coming across the border.
Border Patrol got overwhelmed, which means we sent thousands of ICE agents down there to help deal with that humanitarian crisis, to help secure the border.
Now we have millions of people released in this nation, many unvetted.
Now we've got to find them.
Before the big, beautiful bill, we had a total just under 5,000 deportation officers to look for millions of people, many in public safety threats.
So, yes, we needed Board of Patrol to come and help on our mission now.
And the reason for the massive deployment is because of the threats, because of the violence.
Our officers need to be protected.
If I'm on operation arrest team, I'm going to a house, I've got to be busy with that guy, the dangerous guy, and I can't keep looking over my shoulder at what's happening outside the house.
So, we brought extra resources in to provide that security.
And as I said, as we drill down on these great agreements we got and this great understanding we have means less.
So, we can draw down those resources.
When the violence decreases, we can draw down those resources.
But, based on the discussions I've had with the governor and the AG, we can start drawing down those resources as far as those looking for public safety threats being released and doing it in jail with much less people.
So, the drawdown is going to happen based on these agreements.
But the drawdown can happen even more if the hateful rhetoric and the impediment and interference will stop.
So, Board of Patrol, I was a Board of Patrol agent, these men and women are patriots.
God bless them.
They're here to help us.
And the drawdown will come soon, depending on when this actually in play.
But the agreements have alone is going to cause a significant drawdown.
So, you're going to see a drawdown.
unidentified
Just under personal thought, you've been doing this for 40 years.
Just a follow-up.
ben bergquam ▲ ● ▼
First off, Ben Burpa on Real America's Voice News.
Drawdown Coming Soon 00:06:06
ben bergquam ▲ ● ▼
On behalf of the American people, I just want to say thank you to you and to all of the agents that are putting their lives on the line to go after the people that were allowed in in the last administration.
We watched that happen in the media, the honest media, covered up by many of the media that are behind me.
We want to say thank you and to all the men and women that are out there.
Can you talk to us about what's being done with the leadership on these signal chats, on these WhatsApp chats that are organizing the attacks against you, the obstruction against you?
Are we going to be arresting those individuals as well?
And to the folks out there in America that voted for this, that want mass deportations because they saw a mass invasion under Joe Biden.
unidentified
What would you say to them?
tom homan ▲ ● ▼
How are we going to get to that point?
Well, first of all, about the organization and the funding of the attacks on ICE.
I'm not going to answer a lot about that because I'm not going to show our hand, but they'll be held accountable.
Justice is coming.
Again, we've got to all remember why the questions I'm seeing and why we're here.
What started this?
Four years of an open border when millions of people are letting this country unvetted.
Remember, let's not forget for four years we were told the border is secure.
Four years, we were told the border is secure.
And we all knew it wasn't.
And I want this to be a positive thing we're doing here today.
I also want to remember the politicians are continually attacking us.
Where were they the last four years when the number of women, children, sex trafficking went all-time high?
Where were they when a quarter million Americans died from fentanyl coming across the border?
Where were they when women and children are dying making that journey?
Where were they where over 4,000 families making that journey died?
Historic record.
Where were they?
Not a word.
Now we're just trying to respond to what happened last four years and keeping this country safe.
And we're arresting a lot of public safety threats, take them off the streets, which makes this country safer.
President Trump promised to make this country safe again, and that's what we're doing.
But my three, two and a half days up here, we made a lot of progress.
I think everybody agrees on the criminal and public safety threats.
They agree it's much safer and easier to arrest an alien in a facility than send a whole team out in the field that's going to draw anger.
Because now we've got to send a bunch of people to do something that could have been done by one or two people.
And I've said this for years.
I have no ill will to anybody in Minnesota.
All the people I talk to.
We're never going to agree on everything.
We have different philosophies and different opinions on immigration, but we all agree.
This is a way to go to reduce safety, reduce crime, not reduce safety, reduce crime, and increase safety for our operations.
More people in the jail means less people on the street.
It's simple math.
unidentified
Sir, Lana Zaxivia, a snooze up.
Everybody I've spoken with agrees that if somebody has a violent criminal history and is a fugitive, they don't want them as their neighbor.
But when you're talking about a targeted operation, are you talking about targeting people whose crime is coming to this country?
Or is it a more specific definition now?
tom homan ▲ ● ▼
All operations will be targeted, but the prioritization are going to be criminal aliens, public safety threats, and national security threats.
I've met with Marcos and his staff.
We've got a lot of them.
We've got to allow them to keep us busy.
So that would be our focus.
unidentified
But that is enough that that's what there is not going to be a focus on people who have no other crimes except for their status.
tom homan ▲ ● ▼
If you're in the country illegally, you're never off the table.
Prioritization doesn't mean you forget about it.
But you forget about us.
Let me say this.
If the message we send is you can enter this country legally, it's a crime.
Don't worry about it.
You can have your due process, show up in court, not show up in court, get ordered moved.
Don't worry about it.
Unless you commit a serious crime, you're good to go.
If that's the message we send to the world, you're never going to fix this problem.
The most vulnerable people in the world will make that dangerous journey like they did under the Joe Biden administration.
Over 4,000 aliens died making that journey.
And again, a significant increase in sex trafficking because when they did that and opened those borders up saying, we're not going to detain you.
We're going to give you free health care.
We're going to fly to the city of your choice, put you in a free hotel room, give you three meals a day, and give you work authorization.
We're just going to bring you in.
And when they did that, they sent a message to the whole world, you can come and do this.
And what happened?
They overwhelmed the men and women of the Border Patrol where many days 70% of agents were pulled off that line.
70%.
You don't think the criminal cars had a field day with that?
They created gaps for the cartels to do their activity.
And that's why you've seen the rise in fat and overdose.
That's why you saw the rise in sex trafficking.
The 2 million plus known gotaways, why did they pay more to get away?
Why didn't they pay less?
Turn yourself in, get released within 24 hours.
You get a free airline ticket to the city of your choice.
We're going to give you a free hotel room and we'll give you free food and free medical care.
And you're going to get work to automatization in six months.
Why did 2 million people choose to pay more not to take advantage of that giveaway program?
They didn't want to be vetted.
They didn't want to be fingerprinted.
That scares the hell out of me.
And it does still.
The Trump administration with ICE and Secretary Noam and Marco Rubio and the intelligence community, Tulsa Gabbard, we're all working together to try to identify who these people are.
Find Bad Actors 00:04:23
tom homan ▲ ● ▼
And we've already found many of them.
That's hard work to do.
There are national security threats walking this nation because of the last administration.
And they are one of our main priorities, too.
unidentified
Thank you.
Can you please be specific about how many ICE and how many Border Patrol agents are currently operating in the state?
tom homan ▲ ● ▼
I think we're there three, three thousand.
There's been some rotations.
Another thing I witnessed when I came here, I'll share this with you.
I've met with a lot of people, a lot of the agents.
They've been in theater.
Some of these people have been in theater for eight months.
So there's going to be rotations of personnel.
Hopefully less now that we have some agreements, maybe we can make it more efficient and safe.
But they've been in theater a long time.
And so, you know, there's rotations happen all the time to get people out of here and go home and get some rest and see their families.
Day after day, candy in restaurants, day after day, having people spit on you, boat whistles at you, day after day, having all these threats at you, day after day, having people trying to interfere with you day after day.
You know, they're human.
So, you know, we've got to rotate these people, and we've already rotated some, but my main focus now is drawdown based upon the great conversations I've had with your state and local leaders.
Again, I'm not a fool.
I'm not walking away with all seeing this put in place.
But I take the word of the people I've met with.
I think they're honest.
I think they're good brokers that they want public safety protected.
And they also want what's happening in the city to go away.
And that's my goal.
unidentified
Mr. Olman, David.
Last question about.
The new video of Alex Predi is now circulating.
Your reaction to that.
And do you think law enforcement could have played a role if, like, let's say Minneapolis police were able to respond to that?
Have those top law enforcement officials said they'll help or do anything to help these agents around here?
tom homan ▲ ● ▼
I'm not going to comment on any of these shootings.
I said from day one, from day one, I said on any of these shootings, as a career law enforcement officer, we'll let the investigation roll out, let the investigation play out, and let it go where it goes.
I'm not going to come out and make any comments I think is right, wrong.
Do I have an opinion?
Yeah.
My personal opinion, but I'm not going to share that with you.
I'm going to tell you, let the investigation play out and see where it goes.
But again, the president, one of the words he said to me when I came up here, he said he didn't want to see anybody die.
The less interference, the less rhetoric, the less, you know, I have buried border patrol agents and I've buried ICE agents throughout my career.
And the saddest thing I've ever done is help holder hand a folded flag to a wife or a child.
I don't want to see anybody die.
Even the people we're looking for.
I don't want to see anybody die.
And despite what people think of Tom Holman, I say a prayer every night that everybody goes home safe.
This isn't good.
But I think my conversations last two and a half days are leading us to a safer community, letting ICE officers operate in the safety and security of a jail more than on the street.
I think anybody here with common sense would say it's safer to arrest a public safety threat in the safety and security of a jail.
And let me tell you, what is that going to result in?
Less collateral arrests.
When we go find that bad guy, when we find that bad guy, many times it's with others.
Well, guess what?
They're in the country legally.
We're going to force immigration law.
They're coming too.
You want less collateral arrest?
That's from the jail.
But we're going to enforce the immigration law.
For the people to say we're here to surrender our authority and the mission of enforcing immigration law, you are wrong.
We're going to do target enforcement operations and we're going to prioritize the public safety threats and national security threats.
That is we're here to do.
unidentified
Can you talk about these directions?
Sorry, no more correct, no more questions.
Go ahead.
No more questions, guys.
Thank you.
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