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| Today is Thursday, January 29th on today's Washington Journal. | ||
| Is Congress barreling towards another partial government shutdown over disputes on immigration, or can the Democrats and the White House make a deal? | ||
| Democrats are demanding legislative changes to how the Department of Homeland Security operates, specifically ICE and their enforcement. | ||
| So we want to hear from you. | ||
| Should Congress agree to make changes to the Department of Homeland Security or pass the bills as is? | ||
| Would you be supportive of a shutdown over DHS? | ||
| Here's how you join in the conversation. | ||
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| So we start this morning with Congress once again heading towards a partial shutdown over immigration concerns. | ||
| Now, we've heard that there has been some movement overnight towards a possible deal with the White House and Democrats. | ||
| Remember, Democrats are demanding substantial changes to the way that DHS Department of Homeland Security operates. | ||
| Let's turn to this New York Times piece from overnight. | ||
| The headline here is, Trump and Schumer move toward possible deal to avert a shutdown. | ||
| The president and the top Senate Democrat were discussing an agreement to split up Homeland Security funding from a broader spending package and negotiate new limits on immigration agents. | ||
| If we go down just a little bit in the article, it says that under the emerging plan, according to two officials knowledgeable about it, the Senate would split off legislation funding the Department of Homeland Security from a six-bill package of spending measures needed to keep the military, health programs, and other federal agencies funded for the remainder of the fiscal year. | ||
| The Senate would pass those bills before a Friday midnight deadline. | ||
| And Congress would also consider a short-term extension for Homeland Security operations, which would prevent an interruption of services by the Transportation Security Agency, Coast Guard, and Federal Emergency Management Agency. | ||
| FEMA, of course, you know, handles the snowstorms that are impacting a significant portion of the U.S. Joining us now to set the stage on what we can expect today from Congress is Siobhan Hughes, Wall Street Journal Congressional Reporter. | ||
| Siobhan, thank you so much for joining us this morning. | ||
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Good to be here. | |
| All right. | ||
| So some movement overnight, but of course, that very big vote happening on that six-bill package that would fund several departments right now, including DHS, to avoid a partial shutdown that's happening today. | ||
| Lay out what folks can expect to see from Congress. | ||
| So that's an 1130 vote. | ||
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This is, as the article puts it, a test vote, a procedural vote. | |
| You wouldn't need 60 votes in order to move on to the next step and actually get onto the bill. | ||
| It's possible that you will see this vote collapse. | ||
| You not get the 60 votes, but that should not be a sign of alarm. | ||
| The Senate can always kind of come back and through some Senate magic, a unanimous consent agreement, especially reach their deal and put that on the floor. | ||
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But a lot of the terms are not there yet. | |
| And there are kind of two big things I would point out here. | ||
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Number one, the most important word in that story was President Trump. | |
| It does seem like President Trump is involved here and he is going to be key. | ||
| And that relates to the next point, which this still has to get through the House. | ||
| So the bottom line is this is an encouraging sign for avoiding a shutdown, but the country and the Congress are not quite there yet. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There was some talk about, you know, there was not a lot of guidance from the White House on these democratic demands. | ||
| But I just want to go through these very quickly for our audience here, Siobhan. | ||
| What the Senate Democrats outlined last night as to what they want to see changes. | ||
| That means ending roving patrols from the DHS, tightening the rules on warrants, and require ICE to coordinate with local authorities, enforce accountability and uniform code of conduct, require agents to take their masks offs and wear body cameras and carry ID. | ||
| Can you talk a little bit about how the Democrats have come to these demands and changes to DHS? | ||
| Yeah, and so Democrats cast these as a very narrow set of demands. | ||
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They are not doing something like calling to abolish ICE or asking to take away the $75 billion that was granted to ICE in the reconciliation bill. | |
| They're trying to focus on things they think will actually make a difference. | ||
| What they describe is the exact word in that article. | ||
| What they say are roving bands of agents coming to round up people they suspect of being there illegally. | ||
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Some of it is very self-explanatory, the mandatory body cameras, that ICE agents not have masks, that they carry identification. | |
| Where this gets a little trickier and where the ask is not quite specific yet and the deal is not quite done has to do with the issue of the requirement for warrants. | ||
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There does seem to be some support for requiring warrants to force your way into somebody's home. | |
| It appears that the federal government has been relying on what they call administrative warrants, which is a concept that their legal officers came up with. | ||
| But then even beyond that, the immigration law dating back to the 1950s does allow for warrantless arrests. | ||
| And that is what Democrats view as a really, really big part of the problem. | ||
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And it's not exactly clear how they would like to change that. | |
| What are you hearing from Senate Republicans? | ||
| Obviously, Trump is going to loom large in these conversations. | ||
| And I think multiple senators want him to be in charge of making a deal with Democrats. | ||
| But in some ways, Senate Republicans have kind of ignored these Democratic demands. | ||
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What we have been hearing in the hallways from a lot of Republicans is that they too feel that what has happened in Minneapolis has simply gone too far. | |
| And so you see somebody like John Houstead from Ohio, who's up for re-election, breaking with the president. | ||
| Tom Tillis of North Carolina, a retiring member, very loudly breaking with the president. | ||
| And so you're seeing the ground really shift under the president's feet and him losing members of his own party on this. | ||
| And that, I think, is what has opened up the possibility for a deal. | ||
| Now, you mentioned, obviously, that the House would have to vote on this if there were changes made, if there was a deal made by the Democrats in the White House. | ||
| Does that feel likely that the House would come back and vote to keep the government open? | ||
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So this is really the big question, Mark. | |
| My reporting shows that when this package made it through the House, the only reason it made it through was because the White House leaned hard on Republicans, particularly that conservative bloc in the House Freedom Caucus, to vote for the Department of Homeland Security bill, which they did not want to do because it already included certain restrictions on immigration authorities, $20 million, for example, for body cameras. | ||
| And they reluctantly went along with the president. | ||
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And so what they would be asked to do essentially is to not only accept a deal they already didn't like, but to swallow even more changes. | |
| And my reporting is that unless President Trump gets involved and the White House sort of says, no, no, no, you must vote for this again, the country could be in for a little bit of shakiness in terms of a shutdown. | ||
| So let's say that the president doesn't get as involved as people think that he should be, or that he does get involved and yet a deal is not made by the Democrats. | ||
| Is there a plan B happening here? | ||
| I mean, there are always plan B's in the sense that there are a whole lot of options on the table, but right now this really is the plan B. | ||
| The plan B is to fund five of the bills, do a continuing resolution for that sixth containing the Department of Homeland Security to buy some time to work out a deal. | ||
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That really is the backup plan. | |
| So in your estimation, being on the Hill walking those halls, does a government shutdown right now feel inevitable, or is there wiggle room here for both sides to come and stave off? | ||
| I mean, at this point, it does seem like at least a short-term shutdown is inevitable. | ||
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The Senate is supposed to be in tomorrow, and it looks like they would really like to try to reach a deal by tomorrow. | |
| But of course, February 1st is coming this weekend, and it does not seem likely that the House is going to return by then. | ||
| The question really is: are we going to end up in a technical shutdown where it's on a weekend or just a few days, or if it is going to be something of a longer duration? | ||
| I do not see signs we are in for another record shutdown. | ||
| I do not see signs that there are going to be people who miss paychecks. | ||
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There's very little appetite for that. | |
| But you can't totally rule that out yet. | ||
| Siobhan Hughes of the Wall Street Journal, Congressional Reporter, thank you so much for being with us this morning. | ||
| And so we're sticking with the shutdown as it looks, like Siobhan said, potentially inevitable that there would be some short-term shutdown as Democrats want some changes on DHS funding. | ||
| Let's turn to your phone calls. | ||
| Mark from Oklahoma, a Democrat. | ||
| Your line is open. | ||
| Yes, I think that they need to restructure the immigration officers. | ||
| And I think also that all the National Guard troops that take part in it or troops should all have to wear body cams. | ||
| And would it hope that they had to have it up within 24 hours unedited so everybody could see what's happening? | ||
| And so are you supportive of Democrats basically threatening to shut down the government if those things don't happen? | ||
| I'm basically for that because I'm seeing a lot of money going into immigration now and seeing a lot of mistakes that I think we could use elsewhere in the government like Social Security, Medicaid or so, and if it's going to cost us a lot more later in lawsuits down the line and stuff and bad will around the world, is it really worth it? | ||
| This is Mark from Oklahoma, Democrat Michael from Pennsylvania, a Republican. | ||
| You're next. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Thank you for taking my call and thanks for C-SPAN. | ||
| Good morning. | ||
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It's a great good morning. | |
| And I really do believe that all this is a false narrative which has been revved up by the media. | ||
| The media does not, they want to jump to conclusions about Trump, about the immigration, the problem that's going on there. | ||
| I think the ICE agents have a tough, a very tough job to do, and it is not made any easier by the government officials in places like Minneapolis and Michigan, where really what they're doing is protecting that huge scandal that's going on in Minnesota. | ||
| And that is in Minnesota and so many other places like California, Ohio. | ||
| It's really a lot more rampant than the Democratic Party wants to admit. | ||
| And I think they're covering up for that. | ||
| And the only ace in the hole, the only card in the hole that they have to play is how bad this immigration thing is when it's obvious that latest footage that came from CNN, | ||
| I mean BBC, shows that this fella was not a, Petty, Bertie is not really. | ||
| The video when Alex Freddy is the person who BBC assumes to be Alex Breddy kicked the federal agent's car. | ||
| Are you talking about that? | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Yeah, thank you. | ||
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He is a legitimate. | |
| Well, let me ask you, Michael, let me ask you. | ||
| So you would not be supportive of the White House making a deal with Democrats to take out the DHS funding of that six-bill package that's expected to hit the floor today so that they can negotiate further changes on DHS, like things like masks or wearing your ID or having warrants when they go to enforce the immigration laws. | ||
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No, I would not. | |
| I think they're making, I think Trump has made the right step in putting Tom Homan back in charge. | ||
| He has worked under Democratic and Republican administrations and has a lot of respect. | ||
| Obama gave him the Medal of Honor, I believe, for his work at the border. | ||
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And he's continuing to do that. | |
| And I think he will do it in a fair way. | ||
| I don't think that body cams for everybody is necessarily a good idea. | ||
| You can take things out of context. | ||
| You can gin up a lot of antipathy towards the border agents, which has already been done. | ||
| They complain about him wearing masks and things like that. | ||
| And well, the protesters wore masks for a long time. | ||
| And what people seem to forget is that there has been a lot of doxing by these ICE agents who are there doing a job. | ||
| And that's always been their job. | ||
| And their job is changing, not because of how they're doing things, but how the local officials are trying to protect their turf in Democratic states, which is protecting their votes, protecting their voter fraud, protecting a lot of the scandals that are going on, and protecting crime in the cities. | ||
| And that's really what's happening. | ||
| I really don't think a lot of, I think so much of this is false narratives ginned up by the media. | ||
| Sandra from Brooklyn, New York, a Democrat, you're next. | ||
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Yes, good morning. | |
| I listened to the gentleman speaking. | ||
| Sometimes ignorance is really bliss. | ||
| Look, the Republicans are doing everything that they can do to make people's lives miserable. | ||
| And this thing with the border, it needs, I'm sorry, the thing with ICE, they need to go. | ||
| They really need to go. | ||
| When they turn around and can gas a family, and a six-month-old baby has to be put in the hospital, and they don't even come to the aid of the people that they gassed. | ||
| It's the people on the streets that was helping them. | ||
| When they can turn around and murder two civilians, and nobody knows who did it except for Noam and the White House, because the public don't know. | ||
| They don't know. | ||
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You've got mass people running around. | |
| You don't know what affiliation they are. | ||
| So no. | ||
| I say that the Democrats hold firm. | ||
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Don't give in. | |
| Don't give in. | ||
| How many other people have to die before people turn around and realize something is wrong? | ||
| When people call them Gestapos, that's exactly what they mind you of. | ||
| When I looked and I saw all that gas in the streets, orange, green, white, you couldn't even see. | ||
| What kind of chemicals are they using that down the road these people won't wind up being sick? | ||
| Well, Sandra, let me ask you, because according to this New York Times article, what is being negotiated right now by the White House and Democrats would be that they would split DHS off from that six-bill package that needs to pass by February 1st. | ||
| But they would also pass a short-term extension for Homeland Security options, which would prevent interruption of services for the TSA, Coast Guard, and FEMA while a bill is being drafted between lawmakers in the White House on spending. | ||
| But to Siobhan's point earlier in the day, it's a narrow set of options. | ||
| They're not asking to peel back any of that $75 billion that was provided to them in the bill that passed last year. | ||
| So would you be supportive of that? | ||
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You know, I would be supportive of that if this was any other person in the White House. | |
| But they make deals with you, and this is the problem. | ||
| They make deals with you, and somehow they manage to screw you. | ||
| They did it with Schumer. | ||
| They worked out a deal with him and turned around and profit that deal. | ||
| So, I mean, again, it would have to be in specific writing so that they could not undermine what is being done. | ||
| That would be the only way. | ||
| That would be the only way I would agree to that. | ||
| They would have to have them sign something almost in blood to make sure that they couldn't turn around and change it. | ||
| Because everything that comes out of their mouth is a lie. | ||
| Brad from Texas, a Republican. | ||
| You're next. | ||
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Good morning, everybody. | |
| Good morning. | ||
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I see everything goes back to blame of the Democratic Party flooding our country with illegals. | |
| They didn't need to do that. | ||
| They lied for four years. | ||
| Now they want to protect their new voter base, and they're paying people to get on the streets and act like a fool. | ||
| This could all end with a simple law that says you put your hands on a federal agent, you have a federal charge on you. | ||
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It is so simple. | |
| But the Democrats are fighting like hell. | ||
| They always will. | ||
| They're the party of Satan, and they want to bring down a Christian nation. | ||
| Ronald from New York, a Democrat, you're next. | ||
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Yes, good morning. | |
| Good morning. | ||
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In regard to the ICE agents wearing masks, I want to emphasize that these people don't really want to have to wear masks. | |
| If we lived in a civilized society where people's privacy was respected, masks would be totally unnecessary because there wouldn't be any people from the other side trying to get personal private information on where ICE agents lived, | ||
| on their families, so they could be threatened or hurt or killed just by people who don't approve of ICE agents. | ||
| That's the only reason, unfortunately, that it has become necessary for the ICE agents to wear masks. | ||
| So, Ronald, as a Democrat, you would not support a you would not support the Democrats trying to change DHS guidelines so that these agents would be maskless and wear body cameras. | ||
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No, because unfortunately, unfortunately, that would put their lives and their families' lives at risk. | |
| That wouldn't be a fair thing, position to put anyone in just because there's a disagreement about policy. | ||
| No, it's a shame, but that's unfortunately that's that's what things have come to. | ||
| That should be emphasized by people who discuss this issue. | ||
| That's the reason. | ||
| Shirley from Pennsylvania, a Republican. | ||
| You're next. | ||
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Good morning. | |
| Good morning, Shirley. | ||
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Thank you for taking my call. | |
| Now, I watch this all the time, what's going on here, and it's just ridiculous. | ||
| There's nothing else to say for it now. | ||
| And they want to shut the government down and all this and that nonsense. | ||
| I personally believe that if the governor, the attorney general, the mayor, Omar, and her brother husband was taken out of the situation, if they were all taken out, put them in jail on some island somewhere, I believe that they could get this situation under control. | ||
| But as long as they're there agitating and keeping this mess going on, it's never going to end. | ||
| And it's a shame how they disrespect the government. | ||
| It's a shame. | ||
| We don't need a shutdown. | ||
| We don't need anything. | ||
| We just need to take the bad actors out, and you'll see another thing they should do is a curfew. | ||
| A curfew a certain time every night, say 8 o'clock at night till 9 in the morning. | ||
| If you're caught out on the street in those hours, you're going to be arrested. | ||
| They have to get some form of what's going to happen if you don't obey the law. | ||
| And that's pretty much what I have to say. | ||
| And I thank you for taking my call. | ||
| That was Shirley from Pennsylvania. | ||
| Harold from Tennessee, a Democrat. | ||
| You're next. | ||
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Yes, ma'am. | |
| Thank you for taking my call. | ||
| I definitely support wearing body cameras. | ||
| I mean, that's something that most of our eight state troopers here in Tennessee do. | ||
| And first thing, they're wearing a mask. | ||
| Yes, they shouldn't be wearing a mask. | ||
| And these people are not. | ||
| These are not law enforcement people. | ||
| I mean, they got the title. | ||
| But I got a feeling if you get checking on these people, these people are not Sunday Quarter people. | ||
| But one of the big things is, too, that Donald Trump is just trying to get away from these Epstein files to cover this up. | ||
| And the Medicare cuts, there's more illegals in California, Texas, and Florida than they are anywhere else. | ||
| Why ain't they down there loading them up and hollering them out? | ||
| I mean, they've got somebody. | ||
| There's bukuz of them down there. | ||
| And they just bad because Minnesota didn't vote for him. | ||
| I mean, that's, I think that's the side of it. | ||
| But, yeah, this has got to stop. | ||
| Look at these little kids. | ||
| That little kid standing out there. | ||
| Now he's down there in the prison or whatever he's at down there. | ||
| And they say his health is deteriorating. | ||
| I mean, that kid hadn't done nothing. | ||
| I mean, my goodness, what did he do? | ||
| What did that little kid do to break the law? | ||
| Now, these people are God's children, too. | ||
| These people run around and holler that they're holier than they are or whatever and stuff. | ||
| It tells us in the good book, you know, we help these poor people. | ||
| Jesus walked this earth. | ||
| That's all he done. | ||
| He wasn't here to put people to swat. | ||
| And that fellow that got killed up there, you know, they're shoving women around, treat women like they're dogs. | ||
| And the Republican Party always treats women like they're dogs. | ||
| And I thank you for taking my call. | ||
| Haskell, also from Tennessee, a Republican? | ||
| You're next. | ||
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Yes, ma'am. | |
| I am calling to comment that I do believe that the primary reason that the agents started wearing face masks was the doxing problem and to protect their privacy. | ||
| But I also believe that if you're working out in the open most of the day and you're in nine-degree temperatures or whatever in Minneapolis, the second reason you're protecting your face from frostbite. | ||
| And I also believe that the agents should wear body cameras, and I believe they should continue to wear the mask as long as this doxing is a problem. | ||
| Okay, so you'd want to see some changes in that they do wear body cameras, but masks are necessary. | ||
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I don't see any reason why they shouldn't wear a camera. | |
| Okay. | ||
| Haskell from Tennessee, a Republican Lewis from North Carolina, Democrat, you're next. | ||
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Top of the morning. | |
| You know, there's some. | ||
| Look, I'm not racist, please. | ||
| I listen to C-SPAN a lot. | ||
| I'm retired just like a major the old folks that's up in here. | ||
| And it's so ridiculous to hear some old white people talk about curfew and martial law and shut them down. | ||
| Because see, they already live their life. | ||
| They're not in the streets anymore. | ||
| Can't even have a baby or nothing. | ||
| They just sit there and be miserable. | ||
| But I find a lot of white men up here, Republican maggots. | ||
| They are up here always saying whatever Trump does is correct. | ||
| This is a modern-day Klansman. | ||
| Why would you hide your face if you are proud of what you're doing? | ||
| You should be happy to show your face and get the recognition of doing something good, but they're ready to do evil and it can't be recognized right now. | ||
| You guys can't recognize who killed that white man in that street, shot him 10 times. | ||
| And y'all talk about like that ain't nothing. | ||
| They're killing people in the streets, and y'all making it seem like he deserved it. | ||
| So, Lewis, let me ask you: since we're talking about shutdown, would you be supportive of Democrats shutting down the government in order to change the way that DHS operates? | ||
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Of course. | |
| Look, look at what they're doing. | ||
| Who are they killing? | ||
| They're not killing the worst, the bad, the rapists, the murderers, the gangbangers. | ||
| They're not killing them. | ||
| They're not throwing them white people, the Mexicans in the streets like they're doing these white people. | ||
| It's ridiculous for them to say, yeah, let's keep them. | ||
| It's just a modern-day Klansman, people. | ||
| And it's ignorant to think anything different. | ||
| The more you fund them, the more they're going to bash in your head. | ||
| You think they're going to bash in black people's head? | ||
| Let me tell you something. | ||
| We ain't going out there. | ||
| We done march for everything that they took away from y'all and us. | ||
| We done march. | ||
| So if y'all want it back, you're going to have to get out there and fight for it. | ||
| But remember, they're killing y'all too. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| They're giving the same excuse how the bad cops used to kill blacks and still do. | ||
| They come up and give you a narrative. | ||
| Black lives matter or whatever. | ||
| But they won't talk about the proud boys. | ||
| They won't talk about the skin heads. | ||
| They won't talk about the neo-Nazis. | ||
| They won't talk about the Klansmen. | ||
| But they always talk about terrorists as white and Hispanics and blacks. | ||
| That's crazy, man. | ||
| Y'all better wake up, white people, because y'all are still asleep. | ||
| But I'm woke. | ||
| Calvin from New York, an independent. | ||
| You're next. | ||
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Hello. | |
| Hi, Calvin. | ||
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| Would you support a government shutdown over changes to DHS? | ||
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Yeah, I always support a shutdown. | |
| Go ahead. | ||
| Expand why. | ||
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Yeah, they needed to shut down. | |
| They shut it down before to protect the election. | ||
| They didn't want the data to come out that the data was bad from the which shutdown are you talking about? | ||
| The one in September? | ||
| That was over healthcare. | ||
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That's what they said, but you notice that right after the election came, the government opened back up. | |
| They didn't want that data to come out from the Doja's unemployment data to be involved with the election. | ||
| Did you read that somewhere? | ||
| Are you just that yourself? | ||
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No, I mean, you could see it. | |
| When did the shutdown stop? | ||
| Right after the election. | ||
| Once they knew the election results, all of a sudden the government opened back up. | ||
| But they didn't want the data coming out from the Doja. | ||
| So, you would be fine with them shutting down the government in two days to change. | ||
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Why not? | |
| Why not? | ||
| Shut it down because they know how many months and days did they have to get this together. | ||
| Well, since the last shutdown, they knew that this deadline was coming. | ||
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To your point, pardon? | |
| I said since the last shutdown. | ||
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Yeah, they knew that. | |
| They knew that this was coming. | ||
| So, I mean, they're supposed to be ahead of us ahead of us. | ||
| It seems like when we get to the last stop now, we're going to do something. | ||
| That was Calvin from New York. | ||
| Marcus from Maryland, a Republican, you're next. | ||
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Yeah, good morning. | |
| Good morning, Marcus. | ||
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How's it going? | |
| So I am a quiet observer. | ||
| I did some time in the military, retired, and making observations, not getting on anything in particular except for this shutdown. | ||
| Shutdowns don't necessarily agree with them because it stops progress, you know, and people trying to be progressive. | ||
| Kind of goes against the whole ideology of moving forward. | ||
| So a shutdown is never a good thing. | ||
| It doesn't matter what it's for. | ||
| But in this particular instance, you know, I saw the last shutdown and been watching politics kind of a little bit more heavily in the last decade. | ||
| And it seems like every time we have an issue with a program, it seems like the main complaint is that there's some inefficiencies. | ||
| We like to throw money at the problem to go ahead and solve it, right? | ||
| So the last shutdown was over health care. | ||
| And so we wanted to throw money at it to fix the problem. | ||
| Well, if ICE is not being properly trained, then why aren't we keeping the government open and actually increasing funding to make sure that ICE is properly trained? | ||
| Henry from Michigan, a Democrat. | ||
| You're next. | ||
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I would definitely support shutting down the government. | |
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First and foremost, Trump's, there's a method to his madness. | |
| The DOJ is currently in violation of the Epstein files law that they passed, that the Congress passed. | ||
| ICE is hiding their faces and not wearing body cams because they're doing illegal things. | ||
| And I want all of these Republicans who always talk about the national debt, about how much we're in debt as a country. | ||
| Think about how many lawsuits are coming down the pike from ICE, from their assault on regular American citizens to the Bolt Strike murders to the murder of American citizens. | ||
| And I want to say about the Project 25, remember that. | ||
| Remember when the governors of Texas, Florida, Mississippi, when they had undocumented people in their states, what did they do? | ||
| They put them on buses. | ||
| They put them on airplanes during the Biden administration. | ||
| Put them on airplanes, lied to those people, told them, we're sending you off because you're going to go and get jobs and you're going to get resettled. | ||
| And they sent them where? | ||
| To these very blue cities that they have sent their troops out, Trump's private army. | ||
| And one last thing. | ||
| Remember Fannie Willis in Georgia, the prosecutor. | ||
| He had a dead to rights case against Donald Trump that was dismissed. | ||
| It was dismissed because Fannie Willis had a lover, a paramour, Nathan Wade, who was working with her on this case. | ||
| Well, Christy Noam and Corey Lewandowski, Trump's former campaign manager, they are said to be having an affair and there's no investigation of them whatsoever. | ||
| That was Henry from Michigan. | ||
| A programming note for this morning at 8 a.m. White House Borders Are Tom Hohmann will give a press conference on immigration enforcement efforts in Minneapolis. | ||
| Homan's arrival comes as Border Patrol Office official Greg Bavino, who was originally leading the immigration agents into the Twin Cities, was sent back to his previous post in California. | ||
| We'll show you a portion here on the Washington Journal, and you can watch the entire press conference live on C-SPAN too. | ||
| But I want to turn now to the Senate Majority Leader John Thune yesterday in Congress talking about some of these Democratic demands. | ||
| I think the best path forward, as I said, is to keep the package intact. | ||
| And if there are things that the Democrats want that the administration can agree with them about, then let's do that. | ||
| Because the challenge you have, as you know, especially right now with the narrow margins in the House and the Senate, is if the bill goes back to the House of Representatives and who knows what happens with it over here, if that bill gets split off and maybe other people have other ideas about other amendments and things they want to consider. | ||
| If the bill changes much from what the House already passed, then you've got another, I think, another steep hill to climb over there. | ||
| All of this just drags things out and delays us funding the government. | ||
| And the longer that's delayed around here, obviously, you know, we end up in another government shutdown. | ||
| So there are potentially, obviously, lots of different things that could happen. | ||
| But the best thing to happen is the thing that we should do right now, and that is pick up the six-bill package passed by the House of Representatives by an overwhelming majority and send it to the president for his signature. | ||
| That was Senate Majority Leader John Thune yesterday in Congress talking about some of his concerns. | ||
| If there were changes to that six-bill package that is expected to be voted on today in Congress, that would fund the government. | ||
| Bill from New York, an independent. | ||
| You're next. | ||
| Are you supportive of a shutdown over DHS concerns, Bill? | ||
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Yeah, sure. | |
| Have to do what we have to do. | ||
| I mean, the peaceful protesters on January 6th wrote the playbook for protesting. | ||
| This is normal now, but we have to do what we have to do. | ||
| Not to mention, I believe things are getting snuck in there that trying to sneak it under the wire to benefit from it. | ||
| So, yeah, absolutely. | ||
| And then you throw in the TDS, Trump denial syndrome. | ||
| Everything becomes paranoid. | ||
| So secondly, I'm thinking of the protesters, the peaceful protesters, if they wore masks, would that be an issue? | ||
| But that's all I really have to say. | ||
| Have a great day. | ||
| Thanks for calling, Bill. | ||
| Kenny from Kentucky, a Republican. | ||
| You're next. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Hi, Kenny. | ||
| I hate it shut down, but it looks like it's going to happen no matter what. | ||
| But all your Democrat callers coming out about the Epstein files, that's crazy because what about the Clintons? | ||
| I mean, that's bad. | ||
| You mean the Clintons saying that they won't come testifying to Congress? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| They're on the Epstein files. | ||
| And, you know, what gets me, they was going to come into Congress, but you know what day they said they were going to come in December 24th and the 25th. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Is that a joke or what? | ||
| You know, the Clintons is hiding everything what the Democrats says that Trump is. | ||
| So I believe that's, you know, just the way it's going to be, you know, let it all come out and see who's on that list. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| James from Greenville, Mississippi, a Democrat, you're next. | ||
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I was just talking about the ISIS moving into Minneapolis, places like Minneapolis. | |
| When they move into these cities looking for illegals and criminals, the criminals and the illegals, 90% of them will get in their vehicles and drive to another town. | ||
| So I don't know what the big deal is when everybody ups about crime in the city, when the criminals like Minneapolis, they just get in their vehicle and drive 94 to Wisconsin, to Green Bay, or they go to Detroit. | ||
| There are no real illegals, real hardcore illegals, and criminals waiting around for ICE to come and get them. | ||
| They leave town. | ||
| That's all I got to say. | ||
| Clay from Wisconsin, a Republican, you're next. | ||
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Thank you for taking my call this morning. | |
| I look at this as no, I do not support the shutdown. | ||
| This is all about creating chaos for votes. | ||
| This is, I consider it, immorally intentional and morally preventable. | ||
| The chaos. | ||
| Governor Walls and Mayor Fry intentionally are not allowing their police officers to create safe zones around these federal agents. | ||
| The federal agents should not have to do crowd control. | ||
| This is all intentional by the governor and the mayor and sanctuary cities. | ||
| And even in a lot of other sanctuary cities, you don't see the chaos because their mayors are allowing their officers to create those safe zones that you don't even have the opportunity for this chaos. | ||
| This is intentional and it's preventable. | ||
| And it's also shameful. | ||
| So this, no, I don't support the shutdown just the way I didn't support the shutdown for 7% of their Americans to buy their insurance on the marketplace. | ||
| They should rather try to solve the issues instead of creating this chaos. | ||
| But this is all chaos for votes. | ||
| And that's why the Democrats, Governor Walls, and the mayor are allowing it to happen. | ||
| They won't turn over the criminals right directly out of the jails. | ||
| They release them back into the public for them to create more crime and perpetrate more crime. | ||
| So I blame originally the President Biden and Border Czar Harris for allowing 10 to 15 million illegals in, 6,000 a day for four years. | ||
| That was intentional. | ||
| You know how many we have at the border sneaking across now? | ||
| The Border Patrol says zero for seven months. | ||
| So we have to go get these. | ||
| President Trump was voted in to allow this to happen for illegals, the worst of the worst, to be sent back. | ||
| But people should want, we want legal immigration. | ||
| They should have to come through the door and not sneak through the window or some other way. | ||
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That is wrong. | |
| We believe in legal immigration. | ||
| That was Clay from Wisconsin, Bartholomew from Washington Independent. | ||
| You're next. | ||
| Your line's open. | ||
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Good morning. | |
| Good morning. | ||
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Yeah, the subject matter, you know, with the partial government shutdown, if no deal on DHS funding by Friday midnight, you know, this is what I would call government politics that are just very, | |
| very high-end type of deals that the government deals with in Congress, big kid sandbox type of playing around, you know, | ||
| with the society of the United States economy, the social governing and policies that are dealt with every single time they go into a shutdown or trying to fund the government, you know. | ||
| And I just, I'm totally against the shutdown. | ||
| I think the government needs to go on. | ||
| These little kids that are in Congress, whether it be the House of Representatives or the big kid sandbox with the senators, the big kids in there, let's quit being kids. | ||
| Let's grow up. | ||
| Let's grow up and have some backbone here. | ||
| Let's not listen to the bully who's in charge of each side of the sandbox. | ||
| And let's not follow them because we're not as strong or we're fearful. | ||
| We have no backbone to have our own voice in government. | ||
| In the sandbox, let's go ahead and say, hey, you know what? | ||
| You can't push around these kids here that live over here. | ||
| Let's just group up and voice our view and get rid of these bullies that we're so fearful of. | ||
| And that's all I have to say. | ||
| Monique from Missouri, a Democrat, you're next. | ||
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Good morning. | |
| See it in. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| I watch you every morning. | ||
| And I'm not okay with the shutdown because a lot of things can go wrong as they did with the last one. | ||
| But I have to agree with the Democratic Party on this, being a Democrat. | ||
| I don't agree with everything that we do, but the majority of the things that we do, I agree with. | ||
| And if the shutdown has to happen, it's because of what's happening to the people. | ||
| If you look at what these ICE agents are doing, I don't know who they are. | ||
| We don't know who they are. | ||
| They're not trained like the military. | ||
| They're not trained like everyone else is trained. | ||
| So yeah, we're fearful of them. | ||
| You don't have the right to shoot somebody in the back for no reason, someone that is lawfully carrying a weapon. | ||
| We're going, we're leaving the Constitution. | ||
| I'm standing on the Constitution. | ||
| I love this country. | ||
| I hate to see what's happening in it because it looks like what was happening in the 60s. | ||
| The only difference is that they're dragging white people now and brown people, and that's not okay. | ||
| That's not okay. | ||
| And back then, no cop had their face covered. | ||
| They stood on their business. | ||
| And even in New York, the cops will stand there and they will face the protesters and not touch them. | ||
| So there's something terribly wrong with ICE. | ||
| And I think that it's a power trip. | ||
| We don't know who these people are whatsoever. | ||
| No one knows who they are. | ||
| And to violate the Constitution or amendments is everybody needs to get the Constitution and read it. | ||
| So Monique, let me ask you: do you think that the Democrats are going far enough since you are supportive of them trying to leverage a shutdown to enact some changes for DHS? | ||
| Do you think that they are doing enough to, or are they asking for enough? | ||
| Obviously, we know that they're asking about having officers wear masks and wear body cameras, have some warrants when they go. | ||
| And I'm reading my thing now. | ||
| End roving patrols, tighten rules on warrants, and require ICE to coordinate with local authorities, enforce accountability, and uniform code of conduct. | ||
| But they're not asking to claw back any of that money that passed in the one big beautiful bill last year. | ||
| Are Democrats going far enough in their demands to change ICE? | ||
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I believe that they're going as far as they can go because the money's already been, they've already got the money. | |
| So there's nothing that we can do about that. | ||
| They already have the money. | ||
| It's not like we can take it back. | ||
| They already have that funding. | ||
| What they need to do with that funding is, like they're saying, they need training. | ||
| I mean, to watch what's going on, it's guerrilla warfare. | ||
| I mean, I don't know, that's what it is. | ||
| It's guerrilla warfare, and it's wrong. | ||
| That was Monique from Missouri, a Democrat. | ||
| Cal from Silver Spring, Maryland, a Republican. | ||
| You're next. | ||
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Good morning. | |
| Good morning. | ||
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I am just very frustrated, you know, what's going on over the weekend. | |
| My greatest disappointment is, you know, video, the videos that came out with the shootings from Minneapolis, we can all see what's going on. | ||
| You know, they disarmed him and somebody, you know, shouted gun and they shot him. | ||
| We all saw that video. | ||
| And as a Republican, you know, for our party to just really spin what happened as if like we have not seen the video was very, very disappointing. | ||
| We all assumed as Republicans, you know, yes, you know, when he came in, he was going to stop the border. | ||
| That's all good and well. | ||
| And but there's certain procedures that need to be followed. | ||
| ICE agents do not need to be wearing masks. | ||
| They do need to be having a body cam. | ||
| And another thing that I'm quite concerned about is with this roving patrols is if they have all of the information of where these illegal immigrants are hiding or whatever, then they need to go through the right procedures through the court system, get warrants, and do targeted enforcement. | ||
| This is not targeted enforcement. | ||
| This is just going into random cities that the president chooses and do maximum damage. | ||
| I believe the American people, if ICE agents were following the rules, not hiding their face, and doing very specific targeted enforcement, then people would not be having issues. | ||
| People would not be getting killed unnecessarily. | ||
| So let me ask you, Cal, since this is our question of the day, would you be supportive of the Democrats shutting down the government, knowing that not only are you a Republican, but also a Maryland, a state that gets hit very hard when there is a government shutdown because of as much federal funding goes into your state? | ||
| Would you be supportive of Democrats shutting it down to enact some of these changes that you're describing for DHS and ICE and CTV? | ||
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You know, as a Republican, it's very hard for me to say, but yes. | |
| And after all of this, I might turn into an independent because I think both parties are failing the United States people, the American people, because it's so much, there's so many promises that each party makes during elections. | ||
| But when it comes down to it, both of them, you know, do opposite things. | ||
| And so I think, you know, for me, moving forward, I'm going to be an independent. | ||
| And I highly advise a lot of people, let's become independents. | ||
| And so both parties really have to work harder to earn our vote and really have to say what they do because they know that, hey, we're going to keep them accountable. | ||
| Right now, it's really, really disappointing what my party is doing. | ||
| And it's just very, very disheartening, is what I'm saying. | ||
| Cal from Silver Spring, Maryland, a Republican, potentially now an independent. | ||
| Rick from Philadelphia, an independent. | ||
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Good morning. | |
| I was just sitting here listening to some of your other comments. | ||
| I just want to make a couple. | ||
| In reference to the mask, the only time people wore masks was if he was robbing a bank, robbing a train, or probably a member of the KKK. | ||
| You don't have to restrict yourself to wearing a mask. | ||
| No need to hide yourself if you're doing right by people. | ||
| America is a very diverse country with people of different cultures, different ethnic, different financial statuses, different religions. | ||
| They all should be respected. | ||
| And in relationship to the shutdown, the northern states, called the blue states, they actually fund the southern states. | ||
| What would happen if they held their money up? | ||
| What would happen if they didn't pay their taxes in California, didn't send the California tax money in? | ||
| How would the Southern states feel about that? | ||
| That was Rick from Philadelphia. | ||
| Steve from Ohio, a Democrat. | ||
| You're next. | ||
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Yes, good morning. | |
| Good morning. | ||
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I have a question. | |
| Do you know what the poll number is on ICE? | ||
| The latest one. | ||
| Let me look that up for you. | ||
| While I'm looking it up, though, why don't you talk about whether or not you would support a shutdown over ICE changes? | ||
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Yes. | |
| Do you think the Democrats are going far enough? | ||
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No. | |
| Okay, so I just found a Fox News article, which I don't know where it went. | ||
| But according to Fox News, once this ad goes away, it says that Fox News poll, 59% of voters say ICE is too aggressive, up 10 points since July. | ||
| If we go a little bit further down, it says while more than half of voters approve of the job President Trump is doing on border security, a new Fox News survey finds a majority disapproves of how he's handling immigration, and a growing number view the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agency tactics as, quote, too aggressive, including significant portions of the president's coalition. | ||
| In addition, there is disagreement about how well ICE is carrying out its core mission. | ||
| 29% of voters say ICE enforcement practices, quote, almost always reflect presidents, reflect Trump's pledge to focus on illegal immigrants with criminal records. | ||
| 25% that happens, quote, most of the time. | ||
| 19% say, quote, sometimes, and 27%, excuse me, say not very often. | ||
| More Republicans, 45%, than Democrats, 17%, and Independents, 15%, think ICE is, quote, almost always keeping the pledge. | ||
| So what do you think of those numbers, Steve? | ||
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I think that those numbers are skewed. | |
| How do you say that? | ||
| Many more people are against what ICE is doing than the Fox poll. | ||
| Than the 59% that's listed on the Fox poll. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Now, what the country is going through right now could have been avoided. | ||
| Avoided, very simply, if Trump would not have stopped the, I think, James Langford, the senator from Oklahoma, who had the bill, let it to go and sign. | ||
| And he was heavily skewed towards the Republican opinion. | ||
| And the Democrats swallowed the pill and said, yes, we'll go along with this immigration law. | ||
| And Trump said, no, don't do it. | ||
| I'm going to cause chaos and run the country into the ground because he is concerned about getting re-elected. | ||
| That's what's the really hurting thing that he did to the country. | ||
| We are now suffering this ICE craziness because of Trump. | ||
| That was Steve from Ohio. | ||
| And in about five minutes or so, we are expecting to see White House Border Czar Tom Homan giving his first press conference that you can see it on your screen here in Minnesota since the president sent him a few days ago to take over for former, for other officials like Border Patrol official Greg Bavino, who was originally leading the immigration enforcement in the Twin Cities. | ||
| Tom Homan was sent there by the president just a few days ago to take over as the White House looks to bring down or decrease, de-escalate some of the chaos in those two cities. | ||
| I point now to an article from the WJAC. | ||
| And the headline here is Tom Homan to speak in Minneapolis after DHS shake-up and ICE enforcement overhaul. | ||
| Just previewing some of what Border Czar Tom Homan can talk about. | ||
| It says that he said to hold a Minneapolis news conference Thursday morning after President Trump tapped him to lead an immigration crackdown following the departure of Border Patrol Commander at Large Greg Bavino from the state. | ||
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| Reports suggest Trump wasn't happy with how he and Department of Homeland Security Secretary Christy Noam handled the death of Alex Predty by federal immigration enforcement. | ||
| The president praised Homan as tough but fair as violent protests plagued Minneapolis after two deadly shootings in the matter of weeks. | ||
| So there again, we're expecting to hear from Tom Homan any minute now. | ||
| There you can see his podium on the screen as he will give his first news conference since landing in Minneapolis. | ||
| Mary from Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, Democrat, you're next. | ||
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Yes, good morning. | |
| Good morning. | ||
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I just want to let the American people know why ICE was created. | |
| It was created behind the bombing of the World Trade Center by President Bush. | ||
| And it was created because the American people, the businesses, and the landlord and the states and the cities were not adhering to the law that we had in place to secure the country. | ||
| President Reagan, under the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986, he made it illegal for anyone to rent to or hire an undocumented person in this country based on security reasons. | ||
| And they were mandated to use everify. | ||
| When we looked on the system with everify, it shows everything about everybody. | ||
| If you were arrested, if you have a warrant against you, and it wasn't just for immigrants, it was for everybody. | ||
| Now, who will they replace ICE with behind what happened where we have cities and states and people are not adhering to the law based on greed? | ||
| Who are they going to replace it with? | ||
| I'm looking at what they need to do is provide more funding for ICE. | ||
| They need to make sure that they have cameras and also training. | ||
| They need to remove the mask and they need to do a background check on every ICE agent, any government agency or person in this country. | ||
| They did a background check. | ||
| So, Mary, would you be supportive of the Democrats shutting down the government in order to. | ||
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No, I'm against that because I'm looking at the Democrats and Republicans do not know the laws in this country. | |
| That's what I'm looking at. | ||
| And because of their ignorance, we're supposed to shut down the government. | ||
| Look up those laws. | ||
| Those laws are still in place. | ||
| When they did a background check on me, and it's supposed to be for every government worker. | ||
| We don't care if it's ICE, and they need to remove the mask. | ||
| Find out who these ICE agents are. | ||
| Why are they violating the law? | ||
| So, I mean, and what are we going to do with 11 million undocumented people in this country, and we have no idea who they are? | ||
| So, this is the question people need to realize. | ||
| We're preventing another World Trade Center by thank you and have a good day. | ||
| That was Mary from Philadelphia. | ||
| Wayne from Washington, a Republican, you're next. | ||
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Good morning. | |
| Good morning, Wayne. | ||
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Very interesting. | |
| Yes. | ||
| So, would you be supportive of a shutdown to enact changes to DHS, Wayne? | ||
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No, it would do about as much good as the last shutdown did. | |
| Absolutely nothing. | ||
| We'd wasted time and money and aggravation for the people. | ||
| So I just think that we need to fund them and go about our business. | ||
| Most of the people that they hire are ex-military, ex-police officers. | ||
| And I don't think anybody's brought that up. | ||
| So, and I wanted to mention one thing. | ||
| A lot of people have talked about the KKK this morning. | ||
| And the KKK was created by the Democrats. | ||
| They might want to look that up because most of the people that want to talk about it come in on the Democrat line. | ||
| And that is the truth, unfortunately. | ||
| So not a good fact to have, but it's an old one. | ||
| That was Wayne from Washington, a Republican. | ||
| John from New Hampshire, independent. | ||
| You're next. | ||
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Hi. | |
| This is the first time I've had an opportunity to talk to you. | ||
| Congratulations on your job here. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Great to see you. | ||
| Happy to be here. | ||
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Great, great. | |
| As far as the closing of the government, I just don't want to not pay military again. | ||
| Those poor people, they suffer through these things while we pay our politicians. | ||
| That makes no sense at all to me. | ||
| Republicans and Democrats shouldn't be paid if there's a shutdown. | ||
| So I don't get that at all. | ||
| So that's the big one for me. | ||
| That's why I'd want to keep it open. | ||
| As far as masks, masks on ICE agents, we all know why they need masks. | ||
| We don't want people doxing them. | ||
| If an incident happens like these two incidents, we found out right away who these cops were. | ||
| There was no question who these cops were within an hour. | ||
| We had their name. | ||
| We knew who they were. | ||
| Now, as far as the mask, we don't want people doxing them going to their homes. | ||
| I don't think you understand who these people are. | ||
| Some of them are ex-military. | ||
| They are trained. | ||
| They might not have, you know, a year of training for ICE, but a lot of them are ex-military. | ||
| They know what they're doing. | ||
| And as far as their job, as far as know their job, their job isn't traffic control. | ||
| Part of the reason they're having these problems is the fact that the Minnesota Police Department has refused to go out there and do their job. | ||
| That put these people at risk. | ||
| Now, these two poor people that were killed, I understand. | ||
| That first woman, I don't think she knew that cop was in front of her car, but he was. | ||
| That's attempted murder, whether she knew it or not. | ||
| The second guy, we just got the rest of that story with the other video now. | ||
| This is ridiculous who people are defending. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| You want to defend people. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| Go out protest on the sidewalk. | ||
| Don't bring weapons. | ||
| Don't attack police. | ||
| Don't interfere with their job. | ||
| That simple. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| John from New Hampshire and Independent. | ||
| I want to remind folks that we are still waiting for White House Borders Art Tom Homan to give his first press conference in Minnesota. | ||
| There is the podium. | ||