And C-SPAN is live here in Green Bay, Wisconsin, where Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump is set to speak to supporters at the campaign rally underway.
The former president expected to speak in about an hour, 7 p.m. Eastern Time, and we'll have his remarks live here on C-SPAN when it gets underway.
Until then, we'll show some of today's Washington Journal.
George Conway back with us, lawyer, pundit, and president of the Anti-Psychopath Political Action Committee.
I know you're not a pollster, but what's your explanation for Donald Trump erasing Kamala Harris's lead in national polls according to the average of polls that are out there, 538 in real clear politics?
What's going on with this country as we get within six days of Election Day?
Well, I think it goes without saying that it's a very divided country.
I'm not a pollster.
I have to say that what I do know about polling, I was previously married to a pollster for 20 years, is that it cannot, pollsters cannot determine who will show up.
They cannot predict who will show up on Election Day.
And the other thing about polling is that if you call 10,000 people, you're only going to get a handful of responses.
And once you get a sample that is statistically useful, it's not going to be a sample of the population at large, let alone registered voters, let alone likely voters.
And likely voters, the pool of likely voters is really unknowable.
I mean, you can only guess because every year the mix of voters is a little different because some voters are more motivated in some years than others.
Like I think women are going to be highly motivated this year.
So I don't think polls are useful as predictive tools for what's going to happen here.
I think that Kamala Harris is well positioned to win because I think the enthusiasm factor is so much greater on the Democratic side.
It's partly enthusiasm for her, having a fresh face and an inspiring face who looks to the future and is positive and joyful.
And also there's terror, fear, on behalf of the Democratic base and other people who understand the danger of Donald Trump.
And on the other side, you have a MAGA base that is devoted to him, but I think there are a lot of Republicans who are completely exhausted by Trump, even if they think that in some ways they would benefit from a Trump presidency from lower marginal tax rates or other issues.
I think they are exhausted by him.
They're exhausted trying to have to defend him to people.
And I think a lot of them, I think there are a lot of hidden Harris voters, but we'll see.
I mean, it's like what Derrich Cheater says about baseball.
It's like, it's why they play the game.
You can't know beforehand.
You can look at what's happening on paper and that doesn't tell you how it's going to come out.
Are Democrats, is Kamala Harris going to have to defend this garbage comment by Joe Biden, the headline in the Washington Times that Biden labels Trump backers garbage in that Vodo Latino video that we played for viewers earlier.
Yeah, well, I think that's whole story is garbage.
I mean, it's so funny.
The Republicans have spent so much time talking about how inarticulate Joe Biden is.
And here he was clearly saying that what he thought was garbage was the racism of Trump and his supporters.
He wasn't saying that the supporters are garbage, but he was saying that the people who were giving those speeches, including that comedian who made a couple of really horrific remarks about Puerto Ricans and made another horrific remark about blacks, that's what he was clearly talking about there.
George Conway.
By the way, he's not running for president.
George Conway with us this morning for about the next 40 minutes here on the Washington Journal.
Go ahead and get your calls in.
Phone lines split the way we have split them as we're getting close to election day.
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We were talking before the program about the newspapers we have on the desk here and reading more newspapers.
I wonder, do you think newspapers doing away with presidential endorsements as the Washington Post, the LA Times, and USA Today is doing this cycle, does that matter?
Well, I understand the general argument in the abstract that newspapers, a lot of people say newspapers should not do political endorsements because it calls their news pages into question and people confuse what's opinion and what's news.
And I do think there is merit to that.
I think one of the problems in the way we get information these days about current events is, first of all, people don't read enough newspapers, and local news is dying.
But I think there's a little bit too much intermix between opinions and fact reporting and entertainment.
All these things have kind of melded together to the point where I think a lot of people can't distinguish opinion from fact.
And in violation of that old adage of Senator Moynihan that you're entitled to your own opinions, but you're not entitled to your own facts.
That being said, I think it is extremely unfortunate and disturbing and disturbing is really an understatement that they have chosen these newspapers and newspaper chains,
I guess USA Today and all of Gadette, I guess, and the LA Times and the Washington Post of all places, to decide shortly before the most consequential presidential election since probably 1864 that the choice between someone who is clearly an authoritarian,
who a sociopath, who clearly has already attempted to destroy American democracy for his own ends, and a candidate who is committed to the rule of law.
I mean, I'll leave all other policy issues aside.
The notion that, I mean, if newspapers never made endorsements, which some people believe they shouldn't, this is the time for them to make an exception.
And these three news organizations are going the other way.
And I have to say, you know, it is very reminiscent of what has happened in countries where there have been authoritarian takeovers in the past.
People don't want to incur the wrath of a vindictive government.
Jeff Bezos argued yesterday in his op-ed that this is a way, a step towards increasing trust in newspapers, saying now, according to the latest Gallup newspapers are below Congress in trust.
I mean, can I use an ⁇ I don't want to use the word I want to use on this is C-SPAN, right?
That's garbage, okay, to use milder word.
Because he's owned this paper for a long time.
He could have taken this position two years ago, four years ago, six years ago.
And he did not.
And it just so happens that this man has business with the federal government that he doesn't want disturbed.
And he has his own employees at his Blue Origin or whatever the name of his life meeting with Donald Trump the day this gets into the newspaper.
Okay, he has zero credibility.
He has zero credibility on this.
And you see it.
You see it, essentially what you are seeing.
I mean, it is like Lenin's adage that the capitalists will sell us the rope with which they will hang him.
The same is true of fascists.
And Donald Trump is, you know, definitionally a fascist.
And I hate to say that, and it's something I never thought I would come to that conclusion.
But you look at the pages of history, and there's no question.
And what people are doing, what these corporations are doing, is that they're putting financial interests, momentary financial interests, above the interests of the public.
Well, you buy a newspaper, you're providing a public service that may be for profit, but you have an obligation to provide truthful information and to give truthful guidance to people.
And if you cannot take that heat, you should not own the newspaper.
You should sell that newspaper.
It is absolutely in our range.
But this isn't the only thing that's happening.
I mean, we see something.
There was an incident that didn't get a lot of press because we're in the middle of an intense election season and we see what happened at the Post and at the LA Times.
And now at USA Today, there was a professor of history that I know, Ruth Ben Giat, a very prominent scholar of authoritarianism at NYU, was scheduled to give a lecture at the Naval Academy.
And some MAGA Republican House members and the Heritage Foundation objected.
The speech was going to be about how authoritarians co-opt the military, which is something I think potential officers of the United States Navy should really understand, because I think it's important that military officers understand history and particularly international history.
And the speech was postponed in light of those objections.
I mean, what we are seeing is chilling.
And the fact that we are seeing it now in anticipation of a possible, but I don't think it's going to happen, victory by Donald Trump, should scare the living daylights out of any lights out of anybody who believes in free speech and democracy.
Coming up on 9 a.m. Eastern, no surprise, plenty of calls for you.
Lines are full.
Hope you keep calling in, and we'll start with Cheryl in California on the Harris Walls line.
Go ahead.
Hi, Mr. Conway.
How are you this morning?
Very well, ma'am.
Oh, well, that's good.
And thank you for C-SPAN for taking my call.
But what I wanted to point out, you know, because, you know, all through this election cycle, we have heard, you know, Kamala, you know, didn't do this or she was a part of this, blah, blah, blah.
You know, but what I want, you know, you to point out to the American people is how the government works.
Because, you know, Trump inherited an economy from President Obama, okay, that he took credit for.
Half of the stuff that he said he did, he did not do.
Obama did it.
And the other thing, when they talk about what Biden and Harris is not doing, think about the House and the power of the purse, where it belongs.
And see, this is where the American people, they get caught up in the rhetoric instead of the facts.
So I hope through this segment, you can point out the facts to them.
That's Cheryl in California.
Well, thank you, Cheryl.
And I'm absolutely right.
I mean, I think she makes a number of good points.
I mean, for example, Vice President Harris is simply the vice president.
Vice President doesn't really have any job to do in the Constitution other than to preside on January 6th and to be president of the Senate.
And so it's a difficult job in that sense because if you do too much, people are going to say, well, if you try to do too much, people are going to say, well, you know, she's overstepping because she's just the vice president.
And if you just sit there like a wallflower, then people say you're not doing enough and you're not going to make anybody happy.
But she's absolutely right.
What Donald Trump, where's the money for the wall?
From Mexico, okay, for example.
One of the advantages that Donald Trump has had in this election is people forgot why they fired him in the first place in 2020.
And there is, I think the caller at the very initial point in her remarks talked about how Kamala Harris is essentially being nitpicked.
Whereas, you know, Donald Trump gets a pin Donald Trump and say, I want to, you know, just off the cuff, say, I want to eliminate all federal taxes, which is insane.
And yet, you know, people are worried about what people are saying, well, Kamala Harris was very, very unclear about what her policy on kumquat farming in California was.
It really is just a double standard, which is created by the fact that we've been watching an absolute, frankly, lunatic who absolutely knows virtually nothing about politics, economics, foreign policy, even after all these years.
And he's held to a lower standard because he has brought standards down for himself.
But somehow or another, the standards for everyone else remain the same.
Whitsett, North Carolina, Mark on the Trump Vance line, you're on with George Conway.
Yeah, I'm a little bit disturbed about the double standards you're applying on what you're saying.
For example, you dismissed Joe Biden's comments about calling all of Trump's supporters garbage, and that's what he said.
He did not say that, caller.
He did not.
He did not.
He said that the racism, the comment, the disgusting comments about Hispanics were objectionable.
I read the quote too, sir.
You're just wrong.
And I know you want to believe that's what he said.
But by the way, he's not running for president.
The other guy is.
Mark, did you want to respond?
To call Trump, to call Trump a fascist, calling his supporters fascist.
I'm not a fascist.
I'm a freedom-loving Republican.
And for you to say that Trump supporters are fascist is just wrong.
I didn't say Trump supporters are fascist.
I think they may be supporting a fascist.
Sir, I was a Republican from 1980 to 2018.
Okay?
I don't want to see a Republican Party led by a fascist, but he is a fascist.
He cannot help but be a fascist.
His personality disorders make him a fascist.
He does not care about anyone else.
He does not care about the rule of law.
He does not care about justice.
He does not care about right and wrong.
He's a criminal.
He's a convicted criminal, 34 counts.
He stands charged with many other counts on which I really don't think he has much of a defense.
He's an adjudicated sexual abuser found by a New York City jury.
That included, frankly, people north of the city who were probably Republicans, unanimously found him liable for inserting his hand in a physical assault, inserting his fingers in a woman's vagina, which the judge called rape.
He is, by any colloquial standard, a rapist.
He is a bad man.
And why all of you out there seem to want to excuse him and pretend that reality is something other than what it is and what you want it to be is the problem.
And I don't say that you're garbage because of that.
I think you need to look in the mirror someday and start thinking about, is this man the man you want your children or your grandchildren to emulate?
On the garbage comment, the transcript sent by the White House has it as possessive and not plural.
The statement, the only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters' apostrophe S. His demonization of Latinos is unconscionable and it's un-American.
It's totally contrary to everything we've done, everything that we've been.
Some debate over there since yesterday about whether it was plural or possessive, just to the caller's point of what he said.
Yeah, and I, you know, as a conservative lawyer, I am a textualist, and you have to, part of the ruling, the way you examine a text is you look at the entire sentence.
Okay?
And the entire sentence makes, it makes sense that there is a possessive there.
When we speak, we do not say apostrophe.
Although Donald Trump has shown that he doesn't know what an apostrophe is, by the way.
If Donald Trump wins, what does that mean for you?
And if Donald Trump loses on Tuesday, what does that mean for you?
Well, it doesn't really matter what it means to me.
I think what it means to the country is scary if he wins.
Personally, I'm probably going to do the same thing either way.
It was never my intention to be on television, not even here, although I enjoy it very much sitting here and being a political advocate.
And I think I'm going to write a book.
I intend to write a book.
I want to write a book to talk about the interplay between Trump's psychological, deep-seated psychological disorders and the public, how it is that somebody so manifestly unfit can gain the confidence of large segments of the public.
This is something we've seen in other countries that have lost their democracy.
And, you know, I think it's really a description about how Donald Trump represents the worst in us and brings out the worst in us.
And it's going to be a bit of an academic book because I've done a lot of reading and I really want to do more reading about what political psychologists and historians have written about authoritarianism and what psychiatrists and psychologists have written about malignant narcissism.
And I want to try to connect it all.
And then I want to draw lessons for the future for both America and the world.
Because one of the things we believed, and I believed, and fooled myself into believing, is it couldn't happen here.
And it almost happened here.
It could yet happen here.
We're going to find out in a few days.
I'm hopeful that it will not happen here, the destruction of our democracy.
But somehow, we have, as the Republican nominee for president, a man who led an insurrection against the United States and who tried to overturn the results of an election he lost,
which is something, you know, if you had ever, I never, ever thought that that would be something I could, that was even within the realm of possibility in the United States of America, yet by 2020, even before the election of 2020, you know, it began to dawn on my dense head that, wow, this is the guy who could and would do that.
And he still would do that.
Jimbo Bakersfield, California, on that line for undecided or neither.
Go ahead.
Good morning, George.
Anyone willing to face anyone willing to face this angry mob here on Washington Journal earns my respect.
And sir, you have earned it, man.
This is an angry mob you're dealing with.
Anyway, whenever you speak, I always listen because you always help educate me.
And I hope your daughter follows in your footsteps, not your wife's.
Okay, but anyway, here's a really important question I wanted to ask you, and it's been bothering me.
I keep thinking that Trump will declare victory early on election night, irrespective of the tally.
And I think he's just going to go headstrong into it.
And I think we're dealing with a collection of people who there is no preponderance of evidence that would ever change their mind on any of this.
That's what impresses me so much about you is that I have long ago given up the fight and trying to explain facts to people.
And I have just abandoned it.
I just keep to myself now because I realize how dangerous so many of these people are.
And you go out there and put up the good fight every day.
And irrespective of anyone's political belief, I really respect people who are out there speaking facts and the truth to people.
So keep up the good fight, my friend.
What says you about election night?
And again, Brian Lamb, you're my hero.
Thanks so much.
George Conway.
Well, thank you for that.
And I absolutely think he will declare victory no matter what.
His position is going to be, his position is going to be, I could not have lost but for Fraud.
He's already laid the groundwork for that.
We know his modus operandi.
He is absolutely going to do that.
And it is my hope that the margins will be sufficiently great at the end of the day that he won't really have any practical mechanism to cause any disruption in the transition from Biden to the Harris administration.
But we'll have to see.
I mean, partly, I mean, he really, there is this lurking threat of violence because he does use rhetoric that is conducive to violence.
And his point is that if an election were stolen, if he says it's an election stolen, well, that's the kind of thing that people revolt over.
And, you know, so his lies are very dangerous.
And we have no reason to believe and every reason to believe that he's going to do as much as he can now, that he's going to lie this time around.
Because this time, he's not just running for president.
In 2020, he was running for reelection.
This year, he is running from prison.
He is running to escape responsibility and accountability for the crimes he's committed.
And that makes him all the more desperate.
It makes him all the more unstable.
It makes him all the more likely to stoke up violence.
French Lick, Indiana, this is David on the Trump Advance Line.
David, good morning.
You're on with George Conway.
Good morning, John.
Thank you for taking my call.
The question I have for Mr. Conway, he was speaking of Vice President Harris, said how many responsibilities as Vice President and kind of laughingly was to break ties in the Senate and certify the election.
Well, if that's the case, what is her qualification for president?
And secondly, if he decides to write a book, I hope it isn't censored by the Biden-Harris, Harris-Waltz campaign because of all the censoring that was done by Biden-Harris in agreement with the social media companies.
So good luck on your book getting published if Trump comes in because we'll censor you.
Well, David, let me let George Conway respond.
Yeah, I mean, again, I mean, this caller, David, is an example of someone who obviously does not get his information from reputable sources.
I mean, there was no social media censorship.
I mean, there was an effort by the Biden administration to encourage social media companies to identify false information that was discussed about vaccines because it really was a public health issue.
But nobody was being censored.
I mean, and the notion, I'm not sure why the Biden-Harris administration would censor me.
I do know why Donald Trump would want to censor me if he could.
He also, you know, while he was president, he actually tried to punish Amazon because its owner owned the Washington Post.
I mean, he is a man who does not believe in free speech.
My point is I believe in accurate speech.
I believe in truthful speech.
And we cannot under the First Amendment ban false speech, not even the lies that Donald Trump tells on a regular basis.
I mean, the only mechanism there would be defamation, which he's been held liable for because he continually lies about individuals.
But again, I'm not, it's really disturbing to hear callers like David with that perspective, I mean, of being so out of touch with facts and reality.
And I think it's just dangerous.
Headline from the New York Times, Bannon released from prison proclaims that he is empowered.
Did you watch the press conference yesterday?
No, I did not.
I know some people who attended it.
I mean, I was running around and I missed Steve's discussion, whatever.
You can throw me in if you want.
What are your thoughts on Steve Bannon's role now that he's released from prison from that four-month contempt of Congress sentence related to the January 6th investigation?
Yeah, I mean, he served his time, and I hope he leads a better life from now.
I don't hold out hope for that.
But he got what he deserved.
He violated, he refused to comply with a lawful subpoena.
And he didn't really have to do this.
I mean, he could have, I mean, in light of what he had done, and in light of the fact that there's a criminal investigation, he could have taken the Fifth Amendment and not avoided prison here.
But we'll see.
I mean, he's facing other criminal charges, and we'll see how he does with those.
Alvin, Jacksonville, Florida, Harris Walsline, good morning.
Hello.
Go ahead, Alvin.
You're on with George Conway.
Yes.
Hi, George.
And I want to thank you for coming on.
You're basically making my case.
So I watched the previous segment with the gentleman that was stating his case.
And my question is, I can't understand how, and this is for you and the moderator.
I can't understand how you can have a whole segment without touching on character, morality, alignment with autocrats and dictators, disrespecting our allies wanting to leave NATO, January 6th, disrespect for democracy and the Constitution, and evangelical Christians are a whole nother story.
Could you speak on that, George?
Well, I mean, you're certainly not going to have a segment with me that's not going to talk about some of those things because that's what I talk about a lot.
I mean, I don't think this is the kind of, I mean, this particular show isn't the kind of setting where people are cross-examined on the things that they, you know, that they're not into, so to speak.
But, you know, I absolutely agree with you that those are the important topics, and I'm happy to be here to discuss them here and anywhere.
What is the Anti-Psychopath Political Action Committee, and who's a part of it?
Well, the Anti-Psychopath Political Action Committee was a political, is a political action committee that I formed in order to really point out the psychological disorders, the personality disorders that Donald Trump has.
And I think one of the reasons why his bizarre conduct, his abnormal conduct, his dangerous conduct has been somewhat normalized is because we don't treat him as pathological.
He is a pathological liar.
There is nothing, you cannot normalize him.
And once you understand the two main personality disorders that he has, narcissistic personality disorder and antisocial personality disorder, you basically understand Trump.
And that, you know, I am not a psychiatrist or a psychologist.
I was a lawyer by training, but I had intended to go into this administration.
I was offered the position of head of assistant attorney general for the civil division of the Department of Justice, which is basically, I think, the world's largest law firm.
And I realized I could not go into this administration because there was something very, very severely wrong with it, and in particular with the president.
This is back in 2017.
2017, and I began to read up, like, what did I, what, you know, I thought he, okay, he's a little bit of a screwball.
He's untested in politics.
He needs, he's green.
But I didn't explain a lot of the bizarre behavior, like lying about the crowd size at his inauguration and insisting that people like Sean Spicer and my ex-wife go out and repeat or bolster those lies.
I didn't understand.
Why would someone who just became president of the United States be obsessed about whether on a rainy day he didn't get as many people to attend his inauguration as the first black president did on a sunny day.
It's like there was just something off there and his behavior throughout the first few months of his administration just left me wondering what's wrong with this guy.
And I began to do reading and I learned about personality disorders, cluster B personality disorders as defined in the DSM.
And I mean, I have them here.
First I read an article about narcissistic personality disorder.
And you can look at the characteristics of this man and he checks every box.
And then antisocial personality disorder.
He checks every box for that.
And that's why I formed the Anti-Psychopath Political Action Committee to really point out these things and to point out how these things explain everything about him.
And last week we culminated our campaign with a signed petition or letter from 230 plus psychiatrists and psychologists talking about those personality disorders and why he has them and why they're dangerous for the country.
How many people are a part of it and what are you doing with your political action committee?
We've been taking out ads.
I mean we had four goals with that.
One is to educate people about these personality disorders, educate them about how Trump has them and how they're dangerous to the country.
Third is to get the media to talk about them more and we've had some, you know, we've had some success with all of that.
And then the fourth is to trigger him into displaying those characteristics and we've had some success with that.
What's an example?
Oh, example, you know, we talked about him, for example, in our opening video, we talked about him, how his personality disorders explain his belief in his favoritism toward authoritarianism, his own authoritarian tendencies.
And he clearly watched that because in a speech in Asheville, North Carolina, a few days before the Democratic Convention, he started talking about how he's friendly with Victor Orban and other strong leaders.
And he said, some people say that's a personality defect.
When you talk, when you criticize Trump, because he is a narcissist, and if you criticize Trump on something that he is, narcissists are very, very sensitive and deeply, they are very sensitive people who fear that their flaws are going to be revealed.
And so if you say he's weird, he goes out and gives speeches and says, I'm not weird.
I'm not weird.
You say he's a fascist.
He goes out, I'm not a fascist.
I'm not a fascist.
You say his crowd size isn't so big.
He gets very sensitive and he starts talking about crowd size.
And he starts saying the other person's crowd size crowds are artificially generated through computer technology.
And that was the kind of thing we wanted to do and to provoke him into displaying and throw him off his game.
And I think we did that to some extent.
And I think that I like to think that the campaign took after us by the Harris-Wals campaign kind of learned a little from that because they've been pretty good at getting under his skin.
Gasville, Arkansas, Tim Trump Vance Supporter.
You're on with George Conway.
Good morning, deceased man.
George, George, George, where do I begin?
With so many, I think you're projecting.
I think you've done a lot of hurt feelings that you didn't get in.
But I wasn't born yesterday.
I remember stuff that your Lincoln project was into.
And all we've heard this morning is how you don't like Donald Trump.
Not a single position of the Paris Walls campaign.
The Democrats in power, they're the ones that are putting people in jail over speech, over attendance at J6.
And we know now, we knew, some of us knew then, but we know now.
Nancy was responsible for not having enough security there.
We know now that there was FBI agents at J6.
We just can never get them to tell us how many, but the IG has confirmed that there was.
Now, why don't you get into some policies and tell us how, you know, Harris was the last man in the room when they evacuated Afghanistan and gave the airbase to China over there.
And I wonder, does it concern you at all about all the money that Joe took from China?
George Conway.
Well, again, I mean, this is an example.
I mean, so much of what that caller said is just suffused with misinformation and disinformation.
I mean, the January 6th people who have been convicted, hundreds of them convicted, whether they pled guilty or they were tried by a jury, they weren't, they were not, and I'm a lawyer and I've litigated free speech cases.
They were not punished for free speech, for violating, I mean, for exercising free speech.
They engaged in trespassing on the Capitol grounds when police officers told them to get away.
They assaulted police officers.
They damaged property in the Capitol, causing millions of dollars.
They smeared feces on the wall.
It's all on videotape.
And that's what these people were convicted for.
If the people who stood on the ellipse and applauded Donald Trump and who did not go up to Capitol Hill, did not assault police officers, did not destroy cap property, did not break windows and to break into the Capitol, those people were not charged.
And, you know, I mean, this notion that somehow, I mean, oh, well, the Afghanistan thing, I don't know what she's talking about, Harris in Afghanistan.
Harris wasn't in Afghanistan.
Look, I have policy Differences with the Biden administration and the Harris Waltz administration.
I mean, I will have policy difference with the Harris-Waltz administration.
That being said, those policy differences are like this compared to the difference between having a president like Donald Trump who gives not a whit about the Constitution, who has called for literally the suspension of the Constitution, who has tried to overthrow the Constitution by violent means and by mendacious means,
and someone who is going to adhere to the rule of law, who may interpret the law sometimes differently than I might, but that's, you know, at least she's in the realm of normality and within playing within the playing field that where we govern, we govern ourselves by rules, by constitutional rules, by law, statutory rules, and by norms of decency and honor.
And I want somebody, I want a conservative candidate someday who plays within that realm because that's what America is about.
America isn't about this bizarre circus that we've seen on the conservative side.
It's not really even that conservative.
They want to turn Europe over to the Russians and they're sabotaging our allies and they want to punish people for criticizing Donald Trump and throw their enemies in jail just for criticizing, not for engaging in violence.
Now, I want somebody who's going to play within the system and conserve that system because I'm a conservative.
Who's a conservative that you could see as somebody who plays within that realm and be a future leader of the party?
Well, I don't think a conservative who plays within that realm will be a future leader of the Republican Party.
I think the Republican Party is dead as a normal political party.
But as a conservative who I would love to see as president as a presidential candidate and in some potentially new, actually conservative party, like Alyssa Cheney, for example, or an Adam Kinziger.
There are people out there, a Brad Rathensberger.
I mean, these are people, these are conservatives who believe in the rule of law and they accept the results of elections.
They don't believe that people should be lied to on a regular basis so that you have people like the last caller who is just suffused with misinformation and misperceptions.
Time for maybe one more call.
Crystal's been waiting in Philadelphia.
Harris Walls lying, good morning.
Go birds, Philadelphia.
I truly appreciate you.
Philadelphia, go birds.
Yes, from your wife's position and her talking about alternative facts.
It's honestly, it's blame the Jews if I lose.
Trump says he was best for blacks, best for Puerto Rico while throwing paper towels.
I mean, my grandmother could not vote in this country.
We worked so hard, marched and worked hard for the rights, hard-earned rights that they have tried and with women's rights taken away.
The segment before with the black Republican who came off as a he came off as a sellout to his people who came before him, and Trump is trying to stay out of jail.
That's what's going on.
And Trump supporters, I can't wait For your Kool-Aid drinking cells, because the country is not going back.
And please, I love you.
It's the Republicans and just clear-eyed people that make America keep us from getting dragged back.
We're not going back.
Please, America, don't vote for dopes.
That's Crystal in Pennsylvania.
Final minute or two here.
You know, Crystal, I mean, I thank you, Crystal.
And I think that that's what this country is about.
What Crystal describes of, you know, we may have our differences on issues.
I don't know what Crystal believes on various things, but I bear her no ill will.
I want, you know, I love her aspirations.
And we share all those as Americans.
We share this heritage of freedom and democracy and trying to work things out through rational discussion.
And that's what we need to get back to.
We need to get back to a healthy two-party system where people will, you know, they'll fight it out on the floors of the House and make their arguments within the rules and with the bounds of truth and propriety.
And when the decision is made, we move on to the next thing.
And we respect each other because we respect that everyone is acting in good faith.
And what we have here is one party has gone completely off the rails, led by a demagogue who is a pathological liar.
And the North Star of the Republican Party is no longer the rule of law and truth.
It's just whatever it takes to convince people to vote for them and whatever it takes to win, even if it's lies, alternative realities, and entitled facts that aren't facts.
And, you know, I never thought we'd get to this point, but I'm hopeful that we've all learned something from it because I actually think in talking to Democrats and people who I've had serious political disagreements,
disagreements about how to interpret particular provisions of the Constitution, tax policy, or foreign policy, they want to discuss these things.
They're happy to discuss these things.
They want to understand other viewpoints that are based on reason.
And what we're having here is just too many people are basically have been misled and led off the rails by a demagogue into believing things that aren't true and into hating people who are different than they are.
And that's not America.
And I hope the caller is right, that we won't go back.
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Nothing, nothing.
And 50 million people are not garbage.
I could tell you who the real garbage is, but we won't say that.
All right, guys, guys, guys, full camera, full camera.
I'm right here.
Keep calm.
Good night. Good night. Good night. Good night.
Any questions?
The RSP Jr. said that he promised to control the public health agency if you were to win that after this?
I can't, you have to speak louder.
The RSB Jr. said that he promised to control the public health agency if you were to win.
And he has to have it back.
Well, we'll work with him, and he's a very talented guy.
He wants women's health.
He wants health for people.
And we're going to work with him.
He's a very, very talented guy.
He's a friend of mine.
I think the Democrats have done a very poor job.
We're leading in every state.
We're leading big.
And I think that the comment made by really both of them, because there are really two of them, about being garbage, maybe 250 million people, they shouldn't be talking.
That's like deplorable for Hillary.
This is the deplorable for Hillary.
And I think this is worse, actually.
For Joe Biden to make that statement, it's really a disgrace.
I don't think they'll have to be used.
I think we're going to have a big picture.
And I think 250 million people in this country are going to be very happy because we're going to bring the country back.
We're a nation in decline.
Very, very serious decline.
And we're going to bring our country back.
Did you know that Elon Musk was in close contact with Western Push?
Did you know about this?
Did you know about Elon Musk at home exposing the agenda?
No, I don't know.
Elon is a great guy.
He's one of our geniuses, and we have to protect our geniuses.
We have to take care of our geniuses.
There aren't too many of them.
Yes, please.
I love Puerto Rico, and Puerto Rico loves me.
I don't know anything about a comedian.
I just, I love Puerto Rico.
Nobody's done more for Puerto Rico than me.
I took care of them when they had the big hurricanes, and nobody gets along better with Puerto Rico and the Puerto Rican people than me.
They love me, and I love them.
I don't know anything about the comedian.
I don't know who he is.
I've never seen him.
I heard he made a statement, but it was just a statement that he made.
He's a comedian.
What can I tell you?
I know nothing about him.
I don't know why he's there.
You put comedians up, and I guess he went on earlier the show.
I don't know who he is.
Is he going to get a campaign with you now that he's done a comment?
I don't know, but I think he's a terrific guy.
I think he was treated very unfairly.
You've been talking about Democrats, Cheesy.
Could you imagine any circumstances under which you would be defeated but not say that the election was stolen?
If it was a corrupt election, that could happen.
But so far we're doing pretty well.
They found a lot of smaller things in Pennsylvania, as you know, and I think they've been corrupted and taken care of.
They were corrupt.
They were corrupted, but I think it's been taken care of.
I called for law enforcement to investigate.
I was going to say, do you anticipate to declare a victory on election night?
I hope that we're going to declare a victory.
I mean, they spend all that money on machines.
Paper ballots cost you 8%. of what a machine costs, 8%.
And it's encrypted paper, it's watermarked paper, it's very secure.
Your elections would be over at 10 o'clock, and that's when you could announce something, and there would be no question.
And we're not talking about more money, we're talking about a tiny fraction of the money.
You want paper, ideally.
You want one-day voting, and I think it's just very important.
You have to have the country and you have to have voter ID, and you have a great election.
And you're talking about 8% of the cost.
It's like very sad when you get machines, you pay all that money, and they talk about three days later.
I think we're going to have a big enough victory to maybe have it that night.
You should always have it, Bill.
You know, every night, if you look at France, 38 million votes.
At 10 o'clock in the evening, it was over.
All paper ballots, all voter ID, one day voting, and it was over.
How do you like my garbage truck?
This truck is in honor of Kamala and Joe Biden.
President Trump, you asked for law enforcement to investigate in Pennsylvania.
If they find no evidence of cheating, will you accept the result if you lose?
Well, I guess they had quite a few ballots, 2,600 ballots with the same person who's signing them.
But if they find no evidence of cheating, will you accept the result?
Of Pennsylvania, surely.
Oh, if they find no evidence of cheating anywhere, I'll accept the results.
I hope that's going to be the case.
Win, lose, or draw.
I hope that's going to be the case.
Now, listen, I have to do something because Brett Favre is a great guy.
He just endorsed me.
And he's very important at this moment.
I mean, you know, he's got a little problem for himself.
And I thought it was very brave that he came out.
And I want to go over and see Brett Favre.
We're all going together, I assume.
You're going over.
I'm going to make a speech.
We're going to then try and beat the weather out because we have some bad weather coming in.
But I just wanted to let you know that 250 million people, that's what I think the real number is for making America great again.
250 million, the real number.
They don't think in terms of garbage, okay?
They don't use terms like that.
And it's a shame.
And Joe Biden should be ashamed of himself if he knows what he's even doing.
And she should be ashamed because she shouldn't let him do it.
She's the vice president, but I assume she's acting as the president.
She should never have let that happen.
I hope you enjoyed this garbage truck.
Thank you very much.
Thank you.
Well, last night was a good night.
We had the chance in front of 100,000 people to talk about what's at stake in this election and to point out that the American people have a real choice and a very important decision to make in six days.
And it is about who will not only leave the country but occupy the White House where critical decisions are made that include how we think about who we are as a nation and whether we are going to be a nation of people who attempt to unify and break through this era of divisiveness or are we going to be a nation of people who has a president stewing in the Oval Office over his enemies list.
And I think that the turnout last night and the kind of feedback that we are receiving is a strong indication that the American people actually want a leader who is going to bring us together.
And that's the type of leader I intend to be.
President Biden put his comment last night about garbage.
Listen, I think that, first of all, he clarified his comments, but let me be clear, I strongly disagree with any criticism of people based on who they vote for.
You heard my speech last night and continuously throughout my career.
I believe that the work that I do is about representing all the people, whether they support me or not.
And as president of the United States, I will be a president for all Americans, whether you vote for me or not.
That is my responsibility, and that's the kind of work that I've done my entire career, and I take it very seriously.
Have you spoken to him about his comments?
He did call me last night, but this didn't come up.
Are you concerned about what impact this may have on voters, on the divisiveness of the election, and whether or not it's going to dissuade some people from supporting you because of your affiliation with president of this administration?
I've been very clear with the American public.
I respect the challenges that people face.
I respect the fact that we all have so much more in common than what separates us, and that most people want a president that understands that, that gets that, and approaches their role of leadership.
That way, I've been very clear from my earliest years as a prosecutor.
I never asked anyone, are they a Democrat or Republican?
The only thing I ask folks is, are you okay?
And that's the kind of president I will be.
Madam Vice President, on a separate subject, last night you mentioned removing people in the country who are here illegally.
What do you mean?
Is that an immigration statement, obviously?
Were you referring to people who have come here before illegally?
Or can you expand on what you meant by that comment?
What I intend to do on the issue of immigration, as I said last night and have said continuously, is we need to fix our broken immigration system in a number of ways.
We need to strengthen the border and put more resources at the border, which is why I support the bipartisan bill that Donald Trump killed that would have otherwise put 1,500 more border agents at the border, put more resources into prosecuting transnational crime, and would very importantly put more resources into stemming the flow of benchmark, which is killing people around the country.
And when I am elected president, I will bring that bill back and I will sign it into law.
I also have done the work and have, in my policy going forward, will strengthen what we need to do to deal with, for example, illegal entries between ports of entry.
That is something that we need to tighten up.
I will do the work also about ensuring that we pass comprehensive immigration reform in a way that we allow hardworking people who have earned citizenship a path to actually be able to gain citizenship because they have earned it.
And that includes everyone from our farm workers to dreamers.