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More campaign 2024 coverage now from New Mexico, where the incumbent Democratic Senator Martin Heinrich debates Republican challenger Nella Domenici, whose father represented New Mexico in the Senate for six terms.
KOB TV in Albuquerque hosts the hour-long event.
Thank you for joining us and hello from Congregation Albert.
This is the final debate in the race to represent New Mexico in the United States Senate.
We have a full audience here in Albuquerque and we're broadcasting live statewide on KOB TV4 as well as on public radio through KANW FM and we appreciate their help with this.
Our candidates are Democratic U.S. Senator Martin Heinrich and Republican Nella Dominici.
I'm your moderator.
I'm Chris Schuler.
And before we get to the rules, just some transparency.
I'm a documentarian and my company Christopher Productions made a movie about Nella Dominici's father, the late Senator Pete Dominici.
I have also known Senator Heinrich and have worked with his staff while gathering various statistics and information for my films.
Finally, I'm a registered independent voter.
Just wanted you to know all that.
Thank you.
Yes, good.
Listen, today's rules, first of all, and then we'll get started.
They were put together by our hosting organization, Congregation Albert Brotherhood, who also curated the questions for today.
And I may add context or follow-up to those questions on occasion.
Our debate format today, opening statements by each candidate, will last 90 seconds.
Questions, each question will be addressed to both candidates, and each candidate will be allowed 90 seconds to respond to each question, after which the other candidate will be allowed 60 seconds as a rebuttal.
The questions will go back and forth between candidates.
At the closing, each candidate will have 90 seconds, and they will make a closing statement at that time.
The order of speaking has been decided by a coin toss earlier today.
Nella Dominici won that coin toss and decided to go first for the opening statement.
That order will be reversed for the closing statements.
So we will start with candidate Nella Dominici.
So I can start now.
Yes.
Okay.
Thank you, Chris.
Thank you, all of you at Congregation Albert, for coming, and thank you for the team who worked on this so hard over the last two weeks to prepare for it.
It's very, very important for our community and for our state.
I also want to highlight that my mother, who's 89 and a half, is here joining us, along with my husband, my daughter, my sisters, and cousins even.
So it's great to have you all here.
And you all know, as most of you will know, that I'm running for office because New Mexico is in a crisis.
Martin Heinrich has been a political leader here for 20 years.
He's been your United States Senator for 12 years.
He's had one responsibility to make sure New Mexico thrives.
Just one.
So let's look at his report card and see how he's doing against that one responsibility.
New Mexico is first in crime.
New Mexico is first in drug use.
New Mexico is first in doctors exiting.
New Mexico is at the bottom of education.
We're at the bottom of economic development.
We're at the bottom of early childhood well-being.
And U.S. News and World Report, who looks at states holistically, ranks New Mexico at the bottom again, 49.
It's time for a change.
It's time for a new leader.
I'm a Dominici, and Dominici's always put New Mexico first.
Thank you, Ms. Dominici.
Mr. Heinrich, thank you all for being here today.
I'm Martin Heinrich, and I am so proud to represent New Mexico in the United States Senate.
And if you're here in the room or you're watching or listening at home, then you probably care deeply about this state.
You're going to hear two very different visions today for the kind of New Mexico that we're going to pass on to our kids and our grandkids.
I grew up the son of a lineman and factory worker.
I believe in a future where good jobs are plentiful, where families can access health care, where our kids feel safe in their classrooms again.
And I believe in a future where every single woman can decide precisely what's going to happen to her body herself.
My opponent is a multi-millionaire hedge fund executive who has spent most of the last 50 years living on the East Coast.
And she's spent most of this campaign refusing to take a stand on some of the most basic questions.
Two weeks ago, she finally admitted that she supports Donald Trump.
Now, a Trump-Dominic agenda means higher prices on the things that we buy.
It means cuts to Social Security and Medicare.
It might mean tax cuts, but not for all of us, but for billionaires.
I think we should embrace a different path forward, a path of freedom, hope, and progress.
Thank you, Mr. Heinrich.
Your decisions, should you be in the Senate, affect not only our state but our nation and really the world.
Those decisions, of course, will not be made because of politics, but those decisions will be made for the good of everyone.
Thus, where you get your background, where you get your information, is really important, especially in this day of mis and disinformation.
So, my question to you is, where do you get your information to make decisions?
And how do you ensure it's accurate?
What are your news and other sources?
What do you read regularly?
We'll start with Mr. Heinrich.
Well, one of the places I get my information is from the Congressional Research Service.
But I also read extensively every single day.
And I read the news across the political spectrum, but through the lens of the current information environment that we're in.
I sit on the intelligence committee.
And so one of the things that I see is just how active our adversaries are in trying to shape that information environment.
In fact, I remember one of the things I did when I was in 2017 after the 2016 election is I actually asked for and looked at all of the ads that were paid for in rubles on credit cards and then run in New Mexico.
And so I have a pretty good sense for disinformation versus information.
In addition, I regularly consume information from NPR and PBS and from international sources, The Guardian and other, the BBC.
Mr. Minister, you have a rebuttal of 60 seconds and then you'll answer the same question, but you can rebut first.
Sure.
I think one of the most important things is he didn't mention he gets his information from direct discussions with people who have boots on the ground who are dealing with the real issues.
I have spent the last eight months traveling this state meeting with all kinds of people one-on-one and having extensive discussions.
I have met with emergency room doctors.
I have met with people who are the heads of mental illness organizations.
I have met with all sorts of doctors from UNM who are frustrated.
I've met with cattle ranchers, sheep farmers, chili growers.
And that information is incomparable to the information, of course, that I get from reading all sorts of publications both on the far left and the far right and in the middle.
So for example, I read the Wall Street Journal, but I read the New York Times.
But I think there's a third category, which is also books he didn't talk about.
So for example, one of my favorite books I've read in the last year is Tony Hillerman's autobiography on his life in New Mexico and his relationship with the Native Americans.
And you have another 90 seconds if you want to keep going now.
This question is for you.
What do you read?
What are your news sources?
How do you ensure their accuracy?
So I'll just explain a little more and add a fourth category to that.
So not only do I have, I read books, I leverage periodicals, and I have incredible one-on-ones.
I also am very fortunate to have access to many people in Washington who were formerly on my dad's staff, who worked with him for decades, who in a nanosecond will take my call and help me understand a very, very complicated issue.
So those are the four categories, but I want to go back to this Martin Heinrich point.
It's so important you all know this.
Because on my journey to have one-on-one discussions, to learn from the people who are closest to the problems, I heard repeatedly from people, we went to Washington to meet with Martin Heinrich, but they only let a staffer meet.
We saw him in his office, but he wouldn't come out.
And at least, at least five of these groups said, after we were not able to meet with him, we saw him walking his dog outside.
At first, I thought these were just one-off, peculiar answers, but these were consistent answers that I heard repeatedly.
Lack of a voice.
They couldn't figure out how to get his ears to help him represent him.
Mr. Heinrich, 60 seconds.
Thank you.
First off, it's just false and silly.
I meet with New Mexicans every week, every single week.
I meet with New Mexicans here.
I meet with veterans like Paul out in Gallup.
I meet with childcare workers.
In the last debate, my opponent bragged about how many meetings she's taken with CEOs.
I meet with union people.
I meet with child care workers.
We need business.
I meet with regular folks all the time.
And I would urge my opponent, since she has such incredible access based on her last name, that when Speaker Johnson comes to New Mexico again, which he's come twice, that she get a meeting with him and urge him to pass the Radiation Exposure Compensation Act, because he is the one individual in Washington holding up that bill.
There are people suffering downwinders and post-1971 minors because he won't pass that legislation.
Use your influence to get that passed.
Thank you, sir.
I will, and I'll get it passed.
My father got it passed.
Hang on, I'll be on the back of the panel.
Ms. Dominici?
We are.
Stand by, please.
If we could have security here and just hang on.
Security, please.
Security could come down.
We'll get to the Gaza question that we're talking about here in just a moment.
I'm going to move to something else and then we'll come to that.
Okay.
All right.
Everybody okay?
Good.
All right.
By virtually all accounts, the 2020 election was one.
Actually, let's go to that.
If this is an issue now, let me pull that out.
The Israel issue, obviously, is important.
It has been passionate throughout the country.
It is passionate here, certainly in Congregation Albert.
One of the questions that came in was talking about thousands of civilians dying in Gaza.
The question is, what is your stance on that situation?
What is your stance on the U.S. sending arms to Israel?
And we started the questioning with Mr. Heinrich, so we will start now with Ms. Domenici.
So like Ronald Reagan, I believe absolutely, unequivocally, in peace through strength.
And what we've had happen in the last four years under the Biden-Harris-Heinrich regime is that we have shown weakness repeatedly.
It began in Afghanistan.
Can you all remember our own soldiers and our own translators hanging onto those airplanes as they were flying off and they got dropped and died in their desperate effort to leave?
That was a leadership failure.
The way we've dealt with the border, wide open, Heinrich, Harris, and Biden, has been a leadership failure.
And we've shown that to the world.
But worse yet, with Iran, we have shown, we've not only shown weakness, we have enabled them to be a powerful, powerful enemy of ours.
We have enabled them to have everything they need to go after Israel.
And we did that because the radical progressives, the super left leaders, didn't adhere to the sanctions that Iran had.
They allowed Iran, after Trump left office when Biden took over, to generate billions and billions of dollars, which is now used for military weapons in the Middle East.
Mr. Heinrich, if we could keep quiet in the hall, please.
First, Mr. Heinrich, you'll have 60 seconds to rebut, and then you will have another 90 seconds to answer the question, and then we'll move to the rebuttal there.
First off, I just want to recognize the very real pain if we can have security again.
Folks, we need to listen to some answers here.
This is obviously a very passionate issue.
This may continue.
If you want to get security, Jeff, to take care of all this, we'll wait for this to end.
And now we will hear an answer.
I know it's a passionate, it's a difficult question.
Mr. Heinrich, you have 60 seconds to rebut and then 90 seconds to answer the question.
Passions are high on this issue, and a lot of innocent people have been hurt, and I deeply understand that.
I want to start by recognizing the pain in this community after October 7th, which was a terrible and heinous act of terrorism.
I believe where we should be right now as a nation with respect to this conflict is to seek a ceasefire that includes the return of 100% of all of the hostages.
Ma'am, I also believe, security please, will continue on and we may be ready to take a break in just a second.
We will have the response here, and then if this happens again, we'll plan on taking a can we plan on taking a 60-second break?
Yeah, we'll continue on.
Go ahead, Mr. Heinrich.
We should use adequate time.
Extra time.
Extra time.
Yes, we've got it here.
Okay.
Thank you.
And thanks for that.
We appreciate that civility.
We should use that ceasefire to get aid and medicine back into Gaza.
And we should also use that ceasefire to start to build for a long-term solution, a two-state solution.
Now, my opponent brought up Iran.
And Iran is a very destabilizing.
And I have another 90 seconds, correct?
Yes.
Yes.
Yes, correct.
And this is your answer.
Iran is a very destabilizing influence in the Middle East.
And I would love to see everyone involved in conflict in the Middle East show restraint because what we don't want to see is this spiral into a regional war.
But I want to correct the record with respect to Iran because what I did is I worked with the Obama administration and Secretary Moniz to make sure that they were disarmed from their nuclear program.
That was an incredibly important moment.
The Trump administration walked away from that.
So Iran is much more aggressive today and is doing things that they committed not to do.
But there was a time when we successfully not only disarmed their nuclear program, but shut down the reactor that could have caused their program to be much, much more aggressive and effective.
That is my record on Iran.
Very good.
And Ms. Dominici, you have 60 seconds to respond.
Okay, thank you.
So first of all, I fully support Israel.
And I think that we should be backing Israel, but enabling Israel to make their own decisions as they fight their wars in the Middle East.
And if you reflect upon the last few weeks, the decisions the Israelis have made have been excellent, and the execution of those decisions has been truly extraordinary.
Martin Heinrich is one of 10 or 11 very liberal senators who worked with Bernie Sanders and AOC and the like, who proposed legislation that would require Israel to check every move against some humanitarian standards before they would be allowed to do it.
So effectively, this group of 11 very extreme progressives wanted to tie Israel's hand.
And we've seen in the last three weeks their hands don't need to be tied.
They're world-class executors and they're defending freedom in the Middle East.
Thank you, Ms. Dominici.
And if we could make sure all the phones are silenced, there seems to be some sound here that's distracting.
Virtually all accounts of the 2020 election say that it was the most secure and accurate election in our nation's history.
None of the lawsuits brought after that election were upheld or found any false voting numbers that would have had any effect whatsoever on the election.
One, do you believe we have safe and fair elections?
And two, will you accept the results of our upcoming election?
And we will start now with Mr. Heinrich.
With him?
Yeah, okay.
I will absolutely accept the results of the election here in New Mexico and the election across the nation.
Elections should be about math, not about mobs.
And as long as we can all see transparently what the results of an election are, then we should all accept that outcome.
In New Mexico, we have things like random audits, paper ballots, electronic counting that could all be backed up against one another so that someone can come in after the fact and see precisely why the results are what they are.
We actually keep the paper record, but at the same time, we use the electronic visual scanners to get quick results.
So we have very, very fast reporting, but we also have very accurate elections.
What worries me is when election boards start to be dominated by people who say up front that they're going to put their thumb on the scale.
That is what we should be concerned about.
We should make sure that all election boards, all secretaries of state, all county clerks have one fidelity, and that is to the actual math of how the electorate voted.
Ms. Dominici?
A rebuttal?
60 seconds, and then you'll have a minute 30 to answer.
So you've got a little bit of time here.
Okay.
Well, I think your question was twofold.
You asked about January 6th, and then you asked about election integrity.
So I'll answer both of those real quickly.
So first of all, with regards to January 6th, I think it was one of the worst days our country has ever experienced.
And I think the election was clear.
Biden won.
And I am not one of those people who is constantly contesting the election outcome at all.
And I am extremely, extremely disappointed in the way that day was handled.
It has been litigated extensively in the media for a couple years.
I do think we need to make sure it's in history and everyone learns from it and we make sure lessons are learned, but we also need to move forward.
With regards to election integrity, I think this really might be one of the areas where Martin and I agree.
Believe me, there will be many more where we don't agree.
But on this one, I do think we generally agree.
So I want to talk about the election matter that I think is really important for all of you in this room.
And it relates to some of the concepts he brought up about transparency in elections.
There's been many, many rumors that Martin Heinrich wants to run for governor.
There's been rumors that he doesn't even really want to be a United States Senator.
There's been rumors that he actually wants to be Secretary of Interior.
There's like kind of secondary and tertiary rumors around all of these questions.
So for example, he bought a new house up here in New Mexico just in time for the five-year rule, residency rule, for running for governor.
And what's really important, please take note of this.
If he runs for senator and wins and then decides he wants to run for governor, he's actually running for two spots.
So a vote for Martin Heinrich is a vote for him and a vote for someone else.
Because if he becomes governor, stick with me, he will appoint a United States Senator.
You will not have a vote.
If he becomes governor, he will appoint a United States Senator and you will not have a vote.
He will choose.
So for those of you that are excited for us to have extreme radical progressives dominating us, you'll get not just one.
60 seconds, Mr. Heinrich.
Well, since we started with January 6th, I'll start there and then get to the fun stuff.
My opponent is voting for the architect of January 6th.
So I don't know how you can have it both ways and look over what happened that day because I know people.
I know a cop who's not with us anymore because of that day.
So how you can overlook all that, I do not know.
I don't traffic in rumors and I will always serve New Mexico however I think I can do the most good for New Mexico.
And right now that is in the United States Senate.
Very good.
Let's go to the easy questions now.
And we will start with Mr. Minucci to start.
You can use your time coming up any way you like.
The question will be: what is your plan to extend the solvency of Social Security?
You will have 90 seconds for that.
Okay.
First of all, I just want to respond to a comment he made saying rightly or wrongly that Trump was responsible for January 6th, and how could I vote for him?
In this presidential race, I think it's imperative for all of us to vote on policies because Kamala Harris's policies are particularly, particularly dangerous for New Mexico.
She is an anti-oil and gas leader.
She is anti-fracking.
The oil and gas industry in New Mexico provides 130,000 very, very good jobs, some of the highest paying jobs.
The oil and gas industry in New Mexico pays for our children's education and pays for much of our police force.
The oil industry in New Mexico will help our country be energy independent so we can be stronger globally, so we don't constantly get into the kind of very, very serious wars that we're here now.
Secondly, Kamala Harris believes strongly in wide open borders.
And we're going to talk today about all the damage that's been done to our state because of the wide open borders.
And Martin Heinrich Kamala Harrison.
We will now move to a 60-second rebuttal to that.
Then you will have 90 seconds to answer the question about solvency of Social Security.
What my opponent fails to recognize in the very one-sided way that she paints Kamala Harris's record as Vice President and fairly the President Joe Biden's record is that they have simultaneously been able to produce record amounts of oil and gas.
including in New Mexico, while at the same time not ignoring the climate crisis and making the biggest down payment on a clean energy future that any country in the world has ever accomplished.
I know because I wrote substantial sections of that law.
It's called the Inflation Reduction Act.
And it is the biggest thing for climate that the world has ever seen.
And it is bringing thousands of jobs.
Jobs like the ones at ArcoSa Wind Towers, jobs like the ones at Array Technologies that's expanding right here in Albuquerque, jobs coming to do new manufacturing right here in New Mexico.
And now you have 90 seconds to answer how you would make Social Security solvent in 90 seconds.
I hope we can get back to both of us on that question.
The way I would do that, and I'm actually on, I've co-sponsored a piece of legislation to solve precisely this problem.
If you look at folks who most of the people in this room, probably us being an exception, payroll tax on all of their income.
Teachers do that, firefighters do that.
Most people do that.
Small business people do that.
If you look at people who make more than $400,000, who are way above the cap for Social Security, and you applied the payroll tax to the income that they receive from passive income, and what I'm talking about here is private equity, read hedge funds.
You completely eliminate the solvency issue in Social Security, and you buy us an additional 20 years on Medicare.
You have 60 seconds to rebutton.
Okay, I'm going to try to do 30 and 30.
So, first of all, I want to go back to his point about all the jobs that are coming from the Inflation Reduction Act.
I want to talk about a company here in Albuquerque called Maxion.
One year ago, about one year ago today, Martin Heinrich boasted he got tons of good press, and he talked about this great clean energy company that was going to be located here.
It's going to bring 1,800 jobs, be in the business of solar panels, be specifically in the solar panel business so that we would not be relying on China.
Maxion now has gone from approximately a $500 stock to a $5 stock.
The company is on the crust of bankruptcy.
It's not employing anyone as best our research can find.
And it now has a Chinese investor that's taken over the company because it has so many financial problems.
So when he talks about all the jobs coming from this massive bill that was passed that's causing inflation, that's hurting all New Mexicans, think about Maxion.
Thank you for your question, or answer, I should say.
This is actually a simpler question here.
We're going to start with Mr. Heinrich.
Assuming you're in the Senate next year, what two committees would you ask to be assigned to, and why those particular two?
Well, I have already asked to be on the committees that I think I can serve the state best on, and I intend to continue to serve on those committees.
The Energy and Natural Resources Committee is a committee that is absolutely key to the future of our jobs, our energy, and our state.
And so let's return for a moment to the Inflation Reduction Act.
I don't count any jobs until they're real, but I can tell you the jobs at Arcosa Wind Towers, where those young people from Valencia County are welding some of the biggest pieces of steel that I've ever seen in my life, those jobs are real.
I'm going to lead this program, but you can watch it in its entirety at C-SPAN.org.
As we take you live to Green Bay, Wisconsin for a campaign rally with Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump, who's scheduled to speak later.
The former president being joined by retired Green Bay Packers quarterback Brett Favre and Wisconsin Senator Ron Johnson.
You're watching live coverage on C-SPAN.
Look at how different the two parties are.
What does President Trump and I want to do?
make America great again, and restore the American dream.
What does Kamala Harris and Senator Baldwin want to do?
They told us four years ago, we want to change America.
And man, they sure did, and it's not for the better.
What do President Trump and I want to do?
We want to promote and foster our free market capitalist system that have made us the wealthiest country in the history of mankind.
What did Senator Baldwin and Kamala Harris want to do?
They want to drag us down that path of socialism where only the people at the top benefit.
What do President Trump and I want to do?
We want to preserve our beautiful Constitution and our First and Second Amendment and all the amendments.
What does Kamala Harris and Senator Baldwin want to do?
They want to rip up our Constitution, let liberal judges write laws.
We saw how they operated with our First Amendment during COVID.
Shut us down, don't let us express our views.
And every time they get a chance to vote, they want to take our guns away from us.
What do President Trump and I want to do?
We want to protect and strengthen the traditional family, which is the bedrock of human society.
What does Kamala Harris and Senator Baldwin want to do?
They want to redefine the American family.
And by the way, they can't even decide what a woman is and what a guy is.
Lastly, what is President Trump and me?
Successful business people where results matter and you get things done.
What is Kamala Harris and Senator Baldwin career politicians that never get anything done except a path of destruction?
So folks, it's really simple.
We've got six days to decide which way our country is going to go.
President Trump and me are the tip of the spears.
But you know what?
We have all of you, and we need all of you.
Harris and Baldwin, they've got big tech, big media, big corporate interests, but we have the issues, and we have you.
And with you on our side, not only going out and voting, but talking to your friends, talking to your neighbors, talking to the people you go to church with, your colleagues, the people you go hunting or fishing or whatever activities you do, with you, we can take this country back.
So the question is, are you ready to go restore the American dream and make America great again?
Please welcome to the stage United States Senator Ron Johnson.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you, fellow patriots.
Thank you for coming here to show your support for the next President of the United States, Donald J. Trump.
Now, others have mentioned Joe Biden's, I guess, political gaffe.
I guess you call that when you actually tell the truth.
What he actually thinks of you.
And he called you garbage, but let's face it, that's not the first time the Democrat leaders have told half of America what they thought about them.
You know, prior to calling us garbage, he said we were all potential domestic terrorists, right?
Okama Harris, she's been out there basically saying that we love Nazis.
You know, we love fascists.
Prior to that, Hillary Clinton as a candidate called us deplorable.
And of course, it was President Obama who basically said that we get bitter and we cling to our guns and religion like that's a bad thing.
I remember his wife talking about how she was never proud of America until her husband got elected president.
I remember the pastor whose pew they sat in who said, no, no, no, no, not God bless America, God fill in the blank America.
So this is a pattern of their leaders, of their leaders not like this country.
But let me tell you, I think that the most insulting thing that President Obama ever said was five days before he became president, he said, in five days we are going to fundamentally transform America.
Now, do you even like, much less love, something you want to fundamentally transform?
You know, the analogy I use, okay, I wake up in the morning, I look at my wife, Jane, Jane, I love you.
Now I'm going to change everything about you.
You need a little fundamental transformation.
That wouldn't go over very well.
And it shouldn't go over very well to the American public when their leaders, when their leaders denigrate half of America.
Opposing that, or contrary to that, is what we see here in this arena today.
What we saw in Madison Square Garden that the Democrats suppressed compared to a Nazi rally.
What we see in this arena, what we experience and feel in this arena, is a bunch of patriots who love this country, who fervently love this country.
Gathering to support a man, a former president, who they also know loves this country and has risked his life.
You know Donald Trump didn't need to do this.
He had a great life.
He didn't have to risk his life.
But he knew that he had to do this in order to save this country from the Democrats.
Now he's assembled an amazing coalition.
You know, really smart people.
But again, whether it's Elon Musk, Robert Kennedy Jr., Tulsi Gabbard, and now a new member of the coalition you're going to see in just a couple minutes, Brett Favre, this is a realignment of our politics.
Republicans are the people.
We are the party that represents the working men of America.
I was at an event last night with Bobby Kennedy Tulsi Gabbard.
And Tulsi asked the group, how many of you are or were former Democrats?
About half the audience, there's about a thousand people, about half the audience raised their hand as a former Democrat or current Democrat.
That is what gives me hope.
The fact that President Trump and Bobby Kennedy have put their differences aside, have focused on the area of agreement, in this case, addressing chronic illness.
That not only gives me hope, they'll not only address chronic illness, but it shows the path.
It demonstrates exactly how you heal and unify a very divided nation.
God bless those two men.
So here's my final appeal to anybody listening to me, Republican, Independent, Democrat.
If you love this nation, as I believe most of you do, join this new coalition of patriots who realize we have a lot of problems that we have to fix in this nation and realize that the best way to do it is by being united, loving this nation, and fixing it, making America great again.
God bless all of you.
God bless your efforts.
God bless America.
Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome back former Green Bay Packer, Brett Fulton.
Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.
I can.
I can tell you one thing, I knew I would come back to Green Bay at various times, but I never thought I would come back in this setting.
But I think there's never been a more important time in our lives than right now in this election.
First and foremost, are there any Packer fans in the house?
I had a chance to visit with A.J. Dillon prior to coming out here and would have loved to have played with him.
But there's nothing like Packer fans.
And, you know, this is bigger than the Packers right now, but this is a special place.
So thank you for the unbelievable welcome that you gave me.
And it's, I love you.
My wife and my grandson, I have three grandsons.
The oldest, Parker, and he's going to kill me for saying it, is here tonight.
And I bring up Parker because our young kids, grandkids, our own kids, nephews, nieces, are the ones that are going to be affected directly.
So I wanted Parker to be here and hear this because it's very important.
But it's an honor to be back here where it all started, the campaign with the next president of the United States, Donald J. Trump.
Much like the Packer organization, Donald Trump and his organization is a winner.
And the United States of America won with his leadership.
But I want to address the comment that Joe Biden made yesterday or last night that said the supporters of Donald Trump, us, or garbage.
or garbage.
I can assure you we're not garbage.
How dare he say that looking out?
I see police officers, teachers, nurses, grandparents, students.
I see everyday Americans that make this country great.
And as I said earlier, I have not done an event like this before, but I've decided it's time.
Why?
Why do I even have to explain why?
Because the states are incredibly high.
Families across Wisconsin are struggling to make ends meet.
People's salaries haven't kept up with inflation.
It's getting harder for younger people to buy their first home.
People are losing hope in the American dream.
And it's not just about money.
People are losing their lives.
Last year, 50 people here in Brown County died of a fentanyl overdose.
That's 50 too many.
And our kids face the prospect of World War III.
Really?
We've already had President Trump once.
We've already seen Kamala in action.
We can compare and we know which is better.
The definition, you know, the definition of insanity.
I think we all know it.
It's doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
Sounds like the first couple years of my tenure here with the Packers, Mike Holmgren would say, What in the hell are you doing, Brett?
And I said, Well, hell, I don't know, Mike.
But we figured out a way to get it done.
But getting back to the point at hand, it would be insane to give Kamala four more years in office.
So it's time to bench Kamala and put in the star quarterback.
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I agree with you.
USA, it's a great country.
But we all know this.
Kamala broke it.
Trump will fix it and as I said to you earlier about our youth, I have lived the American dream but I want to make sure the future generations get to us well.
And that would be my grandson, Parker, and his two brothers.
So remember this.
Let's make America great again.
Thank you.
And a statue of liberty started shaking her face And a eagle fly and it's gonna be here When you hear Mother Freedom start ringing And it'll feel like leaning down on Brought to you, courtesy of the Lord.
I said shake it, baby, shake it.
And C-SPAN is live here in Green Bay, Wisconsin, where Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump is set to speak to supporters at the campaign rally underway.
The former president expected to speak in about an hour, 7 p.m. Eastern Time, and will have his remarks live here on C-SPAN when it gets underway.
Until then, we'll show some of today's Washington Journal.
George Conway back with us, lawyer pundit, and president of the Anti-Psychopath Political Action Committee.
I know you're not a pollster, but what's your explanation for Donald Trump erasing Kamala Harris's lead in national polls, according to the average of polls that are out there, 538 in real politics?