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July 14, 2023 - Candace Owens

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Is Homosexuality Ruining Western Civilization?

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	The other day I was in the live chat watching the episode with you guys as I normally do.
	And there were a group of people that kept asking me, Candace, what are your views on homosexuality?
	What are your views on homosexuality?
	Well, I think that is a great question of the day.
	What are my views on homosexuality?
	It's going to be a very spicy conversation, not with myself, I'm not gonna talk to myself,
	I'm not crazy, but with Brandon Tatum.
	Brandon Tatum is here.
	We are in France together.
	And yeah, it's just going to be a discussion that you are not going to want to miss.
	I want to be brutally honest with all of you.
	So all that and much more today.
	I would say coming up on Candace Owens, but it feels better to say,
	let's get into this.
	Brandon Tatum.
	Honestly, it's been a very long time.
	Yes, it has. Like, not a long time since I've seen you, but a long time since you've been on my show.
	Yeah, yeah. You never had me on your show.
	You're too good for my show. No, come on.
	I think you're too good. Come on, you're doing three hours of talk radio now.
	Yeah. I'm doing way too much, but I gotta have you on.
	Yeah, you actually should invite me on your show.
	Okay, I want to get into so many topics today.
	Happy I get to have you. Right now, we are in France together.
	You're with your wife. I'm with my husband.
	We have a couple of really lovely couples, and I thought, I gotta make you work.
	I was just like, hey guys, gotta finally get Brandon on my show.
	I think you have one of the funniest shows ever.
	If you are not following Brandon, you should be.
	You're on Salem Radio. Yes.
	Okay, I want to first ask you, what are you making of the political climate?
	Because you and I very much kind of came up in this together.
	Mm-hmm. On YouTube, doing our different YouTube channels.
	You were one of the only people that defended me early on in the day when I was brand new on the block.
	You were very nice to me.
	And I think we have discussed this off camera, but just we're both feeling differently about the political climate.
	We've seen a lot of people that have become frauds.
	I just want to see how you're reading everything that's going on.
	What are your feelings towards Trump, DeSantis, the influencer community?
	Just tell me how you're feeling, Brandon Tatum.
	Well, how much time do you have?
	I have a lot of time. Yeah, so, you know, I don't know.
	You know, we both came up.
	We were the first, like, Black conservatives.
	And I felt like we were the first Black conservatives to become extremely popular on social media.
	And it draw a wave of people who were fake, unfortunately.
	There's a lot of good ones, but then there's a lot of people who are fake and disingenuous that have come up and tried to, I guess, follow our path, but didn't do it the right way.
	When we first started, it was us just sharing our opinions.
	It wasn't about being famous. It wasn't about money.
	It was about us genuinely converting our Are realizing that, look, we're not victims and we've been lied to a majority of our lives about where we should stand politically.
	And we came out and said, look, let's just tell the truth.
	Let's change the narrative.
	And we ended up becoming popular because of it.
	Unfortunately, we don't have a lot of people that are as genuine as I believe we are, not to toot our own horns, but as genuine as we are in a black conservative movement.
	But when it comes to Trump and DeSantis, that's a difficult question.
	Because I love Donald Trump.
	I think he's a firebrand.
	Obviously, he's the most popular person in every room he goes into.
	I think that he did an incredible job when he was the president.
	I feel like he should have had another chance at doing it again.
	But he says a lot of things that I think shoots himself in the foot with some of the things that he says.
	DeSantis is a really good, polished politician.
	He's done a really good job in Florida.
	He just don't have the juice.
	You know, he's just saying, got it.
	You know, like Ben Carson. I love Ben Carson.
	He was my favorite. The most brilliant man in the world.
	But like, he needed some Red Bull or something because he just didn't have the energy to kind of put himself out there to become as popular as Trump.
	What is the juice?
	I don't know. I think it's just charisma.
	Like, not giving a crap.
	You know, Trump don't give a F. And I love that about Trump.
	I mean, he reminds me of myself.
	And you, you know, we don't care about what people think.
	We just tell the truth. And like, some of these other people are too polished.
	You know, they feel like they gotta say this and do the right thing and wear the suits and do all this.
	And it's like, no, just tell the truth.
	Be genuine. Be who you really are.
	And if we don't like who you are, then at least we know where we stand.
	It's just that Trump has that ability to connect with the average person and just be himself.
	I think what's super annoying, and I get this all the time on the show because I have people under Team Trump who get super upset if I say something not bad about Trump, just true about Trump.
	You are just shooting yourself in the foot when you go after Kayleigh McEnany over something so stupid as a poll.
	It's just actually stupid.
	And I can't imagine being so deluded with just trying to say everything he does is amazing that I can't acknowledge that this is harming him.
	He's not gaining any fans by doing this.
	You're only going to lose people.
	And then, similarly, people get mad when I say exactly what you're saying, which is simply DeSantis doesn't have the it factor.
	I don't know. You can delude yourself into believing that he does.
	You can delude yourself into believing that his calm teens are somehow going to make him more palatable.
	But when he talks, I just want to go to sleep and I don't trust him because of that Political factor that you're talking about.
	But suddenly we're in this environment where it's become so tribal that if you say that, people are like, oh my god, I hate you.
	Oh my god, I hate you. Oh, I can't.
	I used to love it. I've never listened to you again.
	How dare you speak one bad word about Trump?
	He gave you everything you have.
	People will actually say that.
	I'm like the audacity to say that Donald Trump gave me everything I have.
	That is just insane to me.
	But it's very tribal.
	Yeah, people will jump off a cliff with Donald Trump.
	They'll go into a burning fire and jump off the cliff.
	And when Donald Trump said, and I'm not trying to, you know, I feel like I sound like a leftist for saying this, but when Donald Trump said he could shoot somebody and people would still follow him, I know he was playing.
	It was in jest. But I think it's true.
	Right. I think if he killed somebody or if he was committed of a real crime that he did, people will follow him no matter what.
	They don't care. I have reasonable criticisms of Donald Trump because I love Donald Trump, because I want to see him become the president.
	And if I say anything about him that's not favorable, they get mad at me.
	I had a person call in on my radio show, and he said, how dare you, Mr.
	Tatum? You're supposed to be a Christian, and you're just judging Donald Trump.
	And I said, brother, I smash on Biden 24 hours a day and you haven't called in and questioned my Christianity about judgment.
	It's like some people are just outrageously crazy.
	I think that we have to have the ability to articulate things that we do not like about the people that we love.
	Donald Trump does a lot of great things, but he does a lot of stupid things.
	Kayleigh McEnany. I think even him coming out against Ron DeSantis initially.
	Ron DeSantis is not a factor.
	And if Trump just never said anything, didn't care, and just focused on what he's going to do for the country, I think he'll just gain so much more momentum.
	But when he come out and call them the sanctimonious, and then he's talking about Kayleigh McEnany as milquetoast, like, dude, you sound like a big baby.
	Yeah. And I love you.
	I'll vote for you. But will the people in the middle or maybe the people who are Democrat trying to lean away from communism, will they support you or will they say, man, we need somebody else that's more mature?
	And the thing about Ron DeSantis, too, you know, you got people that jump off a building for Ron DeSantis.
	He's perfect. He can do no wrong.
	It's like, no, but he's a wet napkin in comparison to Donald Trump.
	No offense, but Donald Trump went to the UFC. And everybody loves him.
	Even people from other countries come up to Trump.
	When I went to Israel just recently, they named a heel after Trump because what he did for Israel and obviously bringing him the embassy to Jerusalem.
	So the Israeli people love Donald Trump too.
	So all around the world, he's much loved and adored and respected than Ron DeSantis.
	I wish that we had better competition, but for right now, Trump seems like he's the one.
	Yeah, you know, it's interesting because it kind of calls into question the topic of is this love or is this obsession?
	And what you said is so true that if you actually love someone, you have to be able to criticize them, right?
	So whether that's your sister, whether that's your son, whether it's your husband, if you really love that person and you see that they're doing something that's harming themselves, like if you're in love with somebody and you're married to somebody and they put on 400 pounds, right?
	It's not to say, I love you so much.
	I'm not going to say anything about this.
	I'm just going to keep letting you do it. I'm going to keep letting you eat McDonald's every single day.
	It's like actually tough love is love.
	And you have to be able to accurately assess something and say, look, you're harming yourself.
	And for whatever reason, there is this small subset of people that follow Trump and I would
	say a large subset of people that follow DeSantis that really just cannot critique him at all.
	And I'm just thinking, like, I don't know if I've matured or if you guys have just gotten
	crazy, but there are there's plenty wrong and plenty level criticism that you could
	say to both of them, I think.
	And DeSantis just doesn't have the juice.
	Right. And the converse is some people just don't love him no matter what.
	Donald Trump can cure cancer and save every kid that has ever been sex trafficked in American history, in the world history, and they will still hate him.
	They do the same with us.
	There's people that follow us that probably follow us off a cliff.
	And I love people that support us, but I want people to be rational.
	It's okay to disagree with me.
	It's okay to not... You don't have to unfollow me.
	But just understand that you may not agree with me.
	But at the same time, don't be so brainwashed that the media or your friends or family tell you you can't like me because I'm not the brand of black man that you expect me to be, and therefore you can't listen to nothing I say.
	And I think that it goes both ways.
	People are overzealous for Donald Trump and other people, but then some people are just brainwashed into believing they can't accept nothing that they do.
	Even when I argue with people in my family, I'm like, look, you can not like this about Donald Trump, but you can't deny the facts.
	Right, right. Acknowledge the facts and say, well, I just don't like these things.
	I wish that we could have a balanced discussion in political dialogue.
	If we could, I think we'll see, in my opinion, more conservative Republican people emerge in the spotlight versus these lunatics on the left.
	Yeah. Sometimes it takes time for people to catch up with what you're trying to say, and they kind of see it sometimes in the retrospect.
	I think that's been something that I've seen a lot in my career.
	It's like, I used to hate you, but now I'm starting to see things.
	Especially with the black community.
	I mean, don't forget it. I mean, forget it.
	BLM, when you and I were hitting BLM, forget it.
	We were being meaned by freaking Snoop Dogg, you know, calling us the Coon Bunch and being just honestly flagrantly racist, really.
	And now, all of a sudden, now people are trying to walk back and be like, oh, I never supported the organization of Black Lives Matter.
	But you are still seeing, something that I say over on the show is that BLM will rot your brain.
	If you play with it long enough, it will rot your brain.
	People can't see straight. So I want to jump into taking a look at some of these TikTok videos.
	So I, just to be clear, have a very strong policy.
	My children will never be allowed to be on TikTok.
	I think TikTok is a virtual insane asylum.
	When you're walking through the hallways and you look in every room and some patient has something, that's what TikTok is.
	I'm like, what is wrong with you?
	What is happening? But I have to say, I very much enjoy when my team finds these videos on TikTok and I'm going, what is going on?
	So let's take a look at this video of a woman who's going to make an argument about eating three meals a day.
	As if we didn't have enough good reasons to stop letting external cues tell us how to feed ourselves and start listening to our internal cues, here's another one.
	but I hate when crusty old white men tell me what to do with my life,
	or especially tell me what to do with my body.
	So eat what you want, when you want, there are no rules, start listening
	to what your body is telling you.
	What are, what are we observing?
	Like, I have now seen headlines that oxygen is white supremacy, losing weight, caring about your BMI index is white supremacy.
	This week there was an article, but it basically said that why is it people that are far right that want to go to the gym?
	Like, working out is now a far right extremist thing.
	What is happening culturally that we are now saying that health is white supremacy?
	People are completely stupid and they go to college and they become stupider, if that's even a word.
	But when I was listening to that, I thought that it was like just the black girl being a complete nut.
	But then I saw the white girl get even nuttier.
	She don't want a crusty old white man telling her what to do.
	Well, how do you think you were born?
	The crusty old white man was probably on your mama and then you came out.
	So, you know, what are you thinking by feeling that it's virtuous to Degrade your own race, if have you.
	I don't understand why people feel like everything has to be about race.
	Eating meals and being healthy isn't a white thing.
	It's generally, I would say, a healthy choice that anybody can observe.
	Some of the greatest athletes on planet Earth are Black, and you know what their diets are?
	Their diets are related to what they call white supremacy.
	It's crazy to me that people feel they need to be contrarians and they have to just be against everything that Republicans or conservatives are for.
	I find it really weird when you come across white people that do these sorts of videos.
	I couldn't imagine if I was a white person jumping onto TikTok and saying things that denigrate other white people.
	It doesn't make sense to me. How do you get raised up in a way that makes you hate yourself?
	It's very strange that BLM has run into people's minds where now white people think it's virtuous to talk trash about white people.
	And there's another video that I want to show you which is perhaps even more extreme.
	A TikToker taking on You know, always racism and white supremacy.
	Take a look. Okay.
	This isn't, like, full shade towards you.
	I just see a lot of comments like this, and this was the most recent one, so I'm just responding to this one.
	When white people say s*** like this, it isn't the serve they think it is.
	Like, you're a part of the problem.
	Fix your people, bro.
	Like, when white people are like, I'm white, and white people do suck.
	Yeah, you're probably a part of those said white people, so do something about it.
	The f***. Also, I hate when white people try to validate me.
	Like, they're literally like, I'm white, but I agree.
	Bro, I don't know if you noticed, but I don't need validation from white people.
	Like, that's the last thing I need in my life.
	Like, I feel like white people always try, but they miss.
	Like, and I feel bad for y'all.
	Not that bad, though, because your ancestors suck and you're stinky and evil.
	But, bad enough where I want to call you out and tell you not to leave comments like this because it's crusty.
	Anyways, for all the bleach demons willing to learn, I see you.
	You're not as bad as the rest.
	Bleach demons. For all the bleach demons willing to learn.
	And what's wild is that we can pull this up on social media and it's allowed.
	Could you imagine if it was a white person?
	Oh my God. And I don't know, they referred to us as...
	Crusty, burnt demons.
	Yeah, black, charcoal demons.
	You know what I mean? All of you charcoal demons willing to learn.
	This person would be so canceled.
	They'd be murdered in the TikTok video.
	In the video, someone would just come out of nowhere.
	The BLM police would just come in, swoop them in, ruin their whole lives really quickly.
	But this stuff exists everywhere against white people.
	And I'm thinking, I just would hope that when I was living, if I was alive during the times of Jim Crow, if I saw the way that white people were treating black people, that I would have been the person that stood up and said, this is wrong.
	Which is why I feel so incumbent upon me now when I see this stuff to call it out.
	Because I'm like, guys, this is flagrant racism.
	And you think it's fine.
	Because the target is a white person.
	Yeah. It is mind-blowing to me that black people talk like this.
	I just don't understand.
	Why so evil and rude towards white folks?
	When you wouldn't like if white people were to treat you that way, why treat them that way?
	And here's the fact, and I don't know what country this person is in.
	Probably America. For people that live in America, can you eat a humble pie real quick?
	Black folks in America were free because of white people.
	Harriet Tubman, when she assisted in freeing the slaves, bringing them to work, the North, where white people were, were helped by other white people.
	Good white people in our society this entire time has been able to create a situation and an environment where black people are the freest and most prosperous in the entire world.
	I don't get why people think white ancestry is such a bad deal.
	Because Black people's stuff ain't clean.
	You go to Africa, look at some of the genocide that have happened on the continent of Africa, it's mind-blowing.
	There's places all around the world that is completely abhorrent that I would never want to live in, even in antiquity.
	I would never want to live there.
	But... For some reason today, people are so ungrateful that they are willing to chastise ancestry that I believe that it put us in a really unique position to be prosperous.
	You could be on the TikTok talking crazy without getting killed.
	I mean, to me, that's so ungrateful and childishness.
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	I think that some people are, they're not actually fighting for equality or for racism to go away.
	They actually just want it inverted.
	They want Jim Crow, but the other way.
	They want segregation, but the other way, which is why you're seeing these black-only
	graduations and these sorts of TikToks that are appearing, is that they're actually not
	fighting for equality.
	They're just flagrantly racist, and they want ... We want to be racist, but we want the
	power.
	Revenge.
	Yeah, we want revenge for something that they never lived through.
	Look at the age of this girl.
	She never lived through anything.
	You know what I mean?
	She read it in a book, saw a few TikTok videos of BLM supporters, and now she feels comfortable
	saying this.
	It makes me cringe, because they're the same people that in three seconds will comment
	on the fact that we have biracial children.
	All we want is equality, then when black-white people come together and get married and fall
	in love and have children, the first thing they do is attack a biracial child.
	It's really inverted, and it's one of the biggest issues, I think, in our society today.
	I would add that the reverse racism, which is just racism, as well as the obvious agenda
	with the cultural and the media agenda to make children question their sexuality and
	to make children believe that they can.
	switch their genders. And it's just an idea that the sex you're born with is just really a concept, which brings me to this next topic, which is Dylan Mulvaney.
	Dylan Mulvaney.
	The gift that keeps on giving.
	I actually, how now perspective, I think it's great that Dylan Levine is in the public space
	because now the debate has been cracked open and people are really understanding what we're dealing with
	when you have, you know, a grown person saying that they're a little girl
	who clearly is not a little girl.
	It brings into question, are we talking about a mental disorder
	or are we talking about a real thing?
	Can you really just magically switch your gender?
	Well, Dylan Levine recently fled to Peru and we can take a look at what Dylan Levine says in Peru
	because I guess Peru feels like a safer country following the Bud Light scandal.
	So let's take a look and listen at what Dylan Levine had to say.
	Hi, is this an okay time?
	Okay, surprise.
	I'm in Peru and I'm at Machu Picchu.
	Isn't this just so beautiful?
	I'm here by myself and I used to do a ton of solo traveling.
	I'm telling you it's the best if you could ever do a solo trip somewhere.
	It is such a good way to get to know yourself better.
	But I came here to feel something.
	You know what I mean?
	And I definitely have.
	I've done shaman ceremonies that were like 10 years worth of therapy.
	It was wild. I've seen a lot of llamas.
	And the people here are so kind.
	I feel very safe here.
	It's a little sad that I had to leave my country to feel safe, but that will get better eventually.
	And I am dying for some Trader Joe's rolled chili lime chips.
	But other than that, I am so content.
	Still haven't been kissed yet, but I'm holding out hope.
	And most of all, you know, this trip just has me feeling like I'm my own best friend again.
	And that is the best feeling in the world.
	And I hope that you feel that way about yourself too.
	And I love ya.
	Okay. Bye.
	Machu Picchu. Wow.
	Gorgeous. Okay, so fun fact in Peru, they do not have any gay rights, so to speak.
	We're not allowed to be married if you are gay.
	So what are we really looking at here when Dylan Mulvaney is plugging Peru as a safer and better place than in America where Dylan Mulvaney was just wearing Prada and sitting next to Olivia Wilde on the red carpet, let's call it four weeks ago.
	Yeah, because people haven't found him out yet in Peru.
	I think that's what it is.
	When you make a company sink billions of dollars because of your antics, you may want to flee the country.
	I think it's clearly these people are mentally ill.
	Now, I will say this. I think there's a group of mentally ill people.
	Then there's a group of people who are taking advantage of an opportunity.
	Dylan Mulvaney was a gay man at some point.
	Wanted to be a superstar.
	Wanted to be known.
	When the gay male thing did not work out, what is the next best move?
	Okay, be trans. That's trendy.
	Become a trans person. Look at all the money that he's been able to make.
	Look at the brand deal that he's been able to have.
	If you can maximize that opportunity, you're going to make a lot of money.
	I think Dylan Mulvaney is an opportunist.
	Dilla Mulvaney ain't really trying to transition because I don't think he's trying that hard.
	Homeboy still sound like a man.
	Them big old hands on the camera, hands bigger than mine.
	You ain't really trying that hard.
	And so I think that this person is taking advantage, making a lot of money, going to
	Peru.
	Yeah. Because he gotta go to the next group.
	I don't think Dylan ever is even intending to transition.
	I think just like what you're saying is true.
	This is all about attention. I've covered extensively on my show the ill effects of having a child that you raise up in theater, in child acting.
	They become so warped that they seek attention at all times because you have a parent behind you that's like, you're amazing, you're great, you're fabulous, you're gonna be wonderful.
	And I think Dylan was raised with that aspirational mindset of how do I get more attention?
	Dylan made it to Broadway.
	Dylan can sing. And I think that that wasn't enough.
	And like you said, just tried on many different hats.
	And because we're in this cultural debate about transgenderism, this is the hat that worked, right?
	So Dylan's keeping this hat on, having feminization surgery around the face a little bit is not committing to going ahead with a procedure that has lifelong side effects to it that can make you jump and have osteoporosis and You'll become a big pharma client for life, essentially. So I 100% agree with your assessment.
	Speaking of big pharma, a topic that many people who follow my show, I think now they're kind of starting to get it.
	I might have been a little bit early in talking about it because I kind of randomly did a Candace tweet of like, surrogacy is demonic.
	It's becoming demonic. And this is something that is really important for me to talk about because it's something that I didn't see coming.
	Because I think we all sort of had this idea that surrogacy could be this really wonderful, beautiful thing that science is able to give people who are struggling with infertility.
	And now something else is happening where it's become the plaything of elite gay men, right?
	It's sort of like, I don't want to have sex with a woman, but I have hundreds of thousands of dollars so I can pay a woman to just carry my child and they don't have an attachment to what's happening to that woman's body.
	They don't care. Khloe Kardashian kind of talks about this, walked into the hospital, said it was extremely transactional.
	This woman just carried her baby for nine months.
	Khloe Kardashian comes in dressed to the nines, takes the baby and just walks out of the hospital.
	What is your take on, I guess, really what surrogacy has become now in Hollywood?
	And also with knowing that the rules for surrogacy in America are loose compared to everywhere else in the world.
	Like you can just, if you have money, you can get whatever you want in America, you know?
	It's just trafficking a uterus.
	That's all it is. They care nothing about the woman.
	I feel like that, you know, it's creating this thing, and I don't want to compare it to pornography, but it's very similar.
	It's using a woman's body and paying money towards it.
	And if a woman wants to make a lot of money and may not have self-value or self-worth, they can engage in that, make a lot of money just to give away a child.
	I think it's very damaging to see a woman give birth, have a baby for, you know,
	carry the baby for nine months or so, give birth, and the baby's just ripped out her hands.
	That child matters.
	That process matters.
	You can't circumvent that because you somehow want to live a deviant life
	and you want to circumvent God's process.
	And I think it's harmful towards women, even though they may not feel it immediately.
	Over time, I think it really sinks in and it's harmful.
	They pull the baby from the mom and they put it on a hairy chest of a dude that don't have any compassion like God has given women to have.
	People to judge. Right.
	There's no way that a man understands what it's like to carry a child.
	A child is growing in you.
	You become connected to the baby.
	The baby becomes connected to mommy.
	The voice that the baby hears, the way the baby goes to sleep, you know, with just the soothing of mama's voice and body.
	And when the baby comes out, a mother does, all these emotional things happen to a woman to be protective of her child.
	And to have that ripped away from you for what?
	For two, you know, horny dudes to be able to say, oh, look, we have an offspring.
	Well, look, God didn't make it that way.
	If you wanted a baby, then you need to be doing what it takes to make a baby.
	You and two dudes don't make babies.
	And what would you have done years ago before technology has improved?
	You wouldn't have a baby. You wouldn't be able to procreate.
	And I think that's the sin and that's the result of the sin of two homosexual men being together.
	But go ahead. I'm glad you're ranting on this because I just wanted to take it back to I was so much more moderate, I would say, on the gay stuff when I first came into politics and obviously I've grown in The pains of growing up publicly.
	I am just really remembering a conversation that you and I had.
	You and George, I think, really brought me, I wouldn't even say further to the right.
	I would say closer to God.
	And really realizing that a lot of the ills that we face in this society, you were just so strong on homosexual stuff.
	I remember sitting down with you at a hotel and you were just like, no, no, no, no, no.
	And it's funny because this is before we had to deal with the transgenderism that we're dealing with.
	We're seeing so much pedophilia.
	We're seeing so much...
	In the classroom, this queer agenda on children that's happening that I feel like I didn't accurately see coming, but I have fully been converted to understanding what really happens to a society once you allow that wall to drop and you say, okay, homosexuality is okay.
	And I think we're seeing a lot of that today.
	And it's interesting because, you know, surrogacy obviously has to deal with this where it's like, you're talking, you just talked about like people that can really live really overtly sexual lives.
	And we spoke about this the other night, and I think it's an important enough discussion to have publicly.
	But, you know, I have a lot of gay people that have been in my life and something that I noticed is the differences in the way if I'm out with a straight couple versus out with a gay couple, it's very sexual.
	There's nothing preventing them.
	If you are two gay men, there is nothing preventing you From having sex every single day, multiple times a week, and they talk about that.
	A lot of gay men, I would almost say all of them go through a very, very, very sexual phase that women just can't go through, right?
	Whether it's pregnancy will prevent that, breastfeeding, pregnancy, menstruation, all of these things in the natural order that don't allow a heterosexual couple to fully give into sexual Just having everything be about sex.
	It can't. It can't.
	When you are in a monogamous heterosexual relationship, it cannot all be about sex because you have certain restrictions that are literally designed by God.
	And gay men don't have those barriers.
	And so the focus of their relationship, in my view, and from what I've seen, inevitably becomes...
	Sexual. It's very sexual.
	And I think that that's a big piece of the reason why sex and being gay and wanting to talk about gay concepts and gay freedom inevitably comes back to gay men.
	And we know that transgenderism, quoting the term of changing your gender,
	was actually established by a homosexual pedophile, John Money, which, you know, so Dr. John Money.
	And so, yeah, I just kind of wanted to say that because I think that you saw this more clearly
	and I was kind of much more moderate on it, but I really do see it now
	of what being gay and homosexual really allows for in relationships.
	Yeah, I think women see it a little differently.
	You know, I think they have a little more compassion for gay men.
	It is important for men to see other men like that.
	It's different the way we see it.
	You know, sometimes women are like, oh, that's my little buddy.
	And he's like, oh, girl, child.
	A man is looking at that like, bruh.
	You tripping. This is not cool.
	I want nothing to do with you acting like that around me.
	And I think that men kind of see it a little bit before women see it.
	However, sin begets sin, begets sin, begets sin.
	That's why I'm still opposed to when people are like, I'm a trans person, but I don't agree with the trans stuff in the schools and all this.
	It's like, no, no, you're just one step from that.
	You were 10 years ago.
	Now we're to this level, then the next level, then the next level.
	And I don't think that I'm to the point where I hate anybody.
	Hey, look, man, if that's what you want to do in your life, do you.
	But I honestly believe we should call it for what it is.
	You are dealing with a mental illness and we should be focused on helping you instead of thrusting you into a lifestyle that yields nothing.
	Just like transgender people.
	If you are somehow in the body of a man and in your mind you feel like you're a woman, Something is not right.
	Instead of us pushing you into a dress and allowing you to end up committing suicide one day, we should probably give them the help that they deserve.
	Why don't we invest in research on that end?
	Because they will never get to that ultimate goal.
	I feel so terrible for people that deal with transgenderism because they say, well, you're going to be a girl, just like D. Wade and his son.
	You're going to be a girl. Now, when you're like 13, they can dress you up in a dress and you can look cute, put your little heels on and they can Photoshop you and make you look like a girl.
	Bro, when you turn 18 and you're 6'7 and you wear a 25 shoe and your feet hanging over your heels like this, you ain't that attractive anymore.
	You're going to realize when you're hanging out with your girls that men ain't hitting on you.
	You're going to realize that you ain't got the same thing they got.
	You will never menstruate.
	You will never have children.
	And they get to the age of, just say if they transition early, they get to the age in their late 20s and 30s and they want to kill themselves because they realize now that they've been played ever since they were a kid, that they will never fully feel like a woman.
	You will never get there.
	It's like a drug.
	You get high and you keep chasing that high until there's no more, until you're OD. And so I think that instead of us thrusting these people into this environment, we should be supportive and help them.
	And one more point I want to make is when you were speaking about the sexualization of homosexuality and all that stuff, that's what you see is bred in the pride movement.
	When you go to a park, you don't see regular people just sitting around and like, oh, we love each other.
	Like even if you had like a heterosexual- It's lust.
	It's sex. The only reason that a man wants to be with another man is because of sexual lust.
	It's not just love.
	You can love a person that you're not overly attracted to, but if it's about sex, it's about lust, if it's about a man being attracted to another man's genitalia, that's a different thing.
	And I feel like they don't want to admit to that.
	It's all about sex.
	And they get sexually perverse through being molested, through being raped or whatever the case may be, or exposed to pornography at an early age, exposed to sex at an early age.
	And they begin to have this psychological confusion and they go down the wrong path.
	I don't believe people are born that way.
	I believe people are born with probably the propensity, meaning that some men are born a little more feminine than other men.
	But I don't think a person is born, they're nurtured into it.
	So it's interesting that you say that because if you had said that to me right when I got started in my career, however long it was, I would have said that is wild.
	And like I said, I was much more moderate.
	And I think what really changed for me was a discussion that I had with someone who's on my creative team.
	He's a gay man. He's also not because, but he's a Christian, and the reason why he says he's a Christian is because he does not, like, he says, I am gay, but he does not, it's the sin of sodomy.
	He does not engage in that, you know?
	Instead, he goes to church. He, like, you know, believes that this is, it's very interesting to talk to him because he's absolutely brilliant.
	And one of the things that he said to me is that, you know, growing up, I can tell you that of all the gay people that I know that I used to party with, because he used to be, like, actually, like, engaging in sodomy, that maybe only 6% of them are actually gay.
	He's like, are actually gay.
	were born gay. He said, for the rest of them, it's become a social contagion. It is also
	something that they are doing at, like me, he said, I have daddy issues. My dad walked
	out on me when I was however many years old. And he said, and for me, I wanted that relationship
	with a man because my dad wasn't here. To hear that come out of a gay man's mouth shocked
	me because it's something that obviously when I was in school, it's like, no, no, no, no,
	they were all born with a...
	And what he's saying is, no, there might be a very small subset of people that are born this way.
	And his argument is that he believes those people should give their lives to art and creative works and to God and that they should not engage in sodomy.
	Again, that's his argument, not mine.
	But to hear him say that it's become a social contagion was really fascinating because
	then when you take a look at what's happening with transgenderism, I
	Do believe that there is a very very very small subset of the population that is dealing with real gender dysphoria
	We obviously now know looking at these statistics that the rest is just a social contagion
	Yeah for the rest of people what's what they're learning in America
	I had this person who's to work with me who was from Romania came over here and said why are there so many gay
	people here?
	It was a very weird thing to hear somebody say.
	I was very shocked by that. I'm like, why are there so many gay people here?
	I'm like, what does that mean? And the person said, well, in my country, there's not this many gay people.
	Well, because America began in the 90s kind of saying, in the same way that we're doing right now with transgenderism, that this is just an option.
	And so it went from small subset of people who were perhaps molested.
	And I think of all these examples of Ellen DeGeneres, Melissa Etheridge, people have talked about
	their molestation of the youth who then lesbians say, okay, I don't wanna be with a man anymore
	because I was molested.
	It's a defense, right?
	You're not born this way, something happened to you and you now no longer wanna be with a man.
	Not every person, but a lot of people are.
	And I do know a lot of gay men who were molested, who like somehow trans and now they're into men.
	So, but we're not allowed to even have this discussion.
	I mean, this discussion that we're having if people don't wanna be honest and talk about this stuff,
	which then bars gay men, like the gay men I talked to would never be able to say this publicly
	because it would be considered homophobic.
	Right. They have an agenda.
	They have an agenda. They need the agenda to be pushed.
	Real gay people don't even have a say in this.
	The LGBTQ +, AARP, NAACP, whatever they want to add to it, that is not even a representation of probably most gay people.
	That's the whole agenda that they're pushing to try to, you know, I think they're doing this to get to kids.
	They're doing this to push pedophilia at some point.
	That's their end goal. But when you look at it, I wish that they would do research on this.
	Every gay person, let's go look at the household makeup.
	Do you have a father in the home?
	Were you exposed to pornography at a young age?
	Were you molested and abused?
	You know, kind of what things had happened to you?
	I guarantee you, as sure as I'm sitting here, what political affiliation do your parents have?
	If you look at all of these things, I would argue that most people who are homosexual, most people who have trans kids and all this, they either don't have a strong father in their lives, Their parents are either radical, zealot, religious people, which means that they're so over the top that they push their kids to insanity.
	Or, you know, you have a situation where they've been exposed to sexuality early.
	They've been exposed to pornography.
	They've been exposed to sexual deviancy.
	They've been raped. A guy that's been my friend for a very, very long time, he's a preacher, and he tells me how he struggles with homosexuality.
	But then you go back into his life, you say, well, he was sexually abused by his older cousin.
	He used to live with him. The guy used to abuse him all the time.
	And so his first exposure to sexuality was with a man.
	And so now his thoughts of sexuality is with a man.
	And he struggles with that, right?
	But he's a pastor, so he can't live the lifestyle, but it's a struggle.
	And I don't know a person that was like, you know, I was born this way.
	I hear people say, well, I knew I was gay for a very long time.
	But what does that mean?
	Your attraction? You somehow can't look at a woman in any way?
	I think it's on the spectrum, to be honest.
	I think it's a sliding spectrum.
	I think that a lot of these men who are so feminine, they have a very hard time getting with women.
	And therefore, it's easier for them to be with a man than a woman, to be honest.
	Same thing with tomboy women, like women who are very masculine.
	They play basketball and stuff like that.
	They're very masculine. And it's very hard for them to get an attraction from a man because men like feminine women more.
	There's men that like masculine women.
	But I think those women find themselves lingering more towards women because guys don't really show them a time of day.
	Then they live that lifestyle.
	I want to go back to actually what you said about emotionality because you said very quickly that women tend to support homosexuality because we feel...
	Would you say we feel bad? I don't want to mischaracterize.
	Yeah, you guys associate. I mean, you guys have a more empathy for them because that feminine energy, you guys are not...
	It doesn't offend you.
	So you're saying I'm a little bitch?
	No, I didn't say that.
	He said it, not me.
	No, but there is something here and it's something that I've been talking about as of recent, which is right now what we are facing is a crisis of hyperfeminization.
	And women, we have a superpower.
	We are empathetic, right?
	That is an amazing thing.
	You see how great having empathy and having sympathy and when we're with our children, there's a reason why my son wants me when he's sick, why my daughter wants me when she's, you know, upset.
	There's a reason for that because they understand that women are nurturing.
	And it's funny because Lance Bass spoke on that.
	He rented a womb and then his children didn't want him.
	He said that the babies would rather have been with his mother.
	Two gay men could not get their babies to connect with them.
	Instantly, he said whenever his mother came over, the baby would cuddle her.
	That is because that is our superpower.
	The baby knows that.
	George didn't know what to do.
	The first year of having a baby, how significant was Corinne versus you?
	Right. Now Bo's bigger.
	Your son's bigger. Yeah, maybe he like me, but he love his mama.
	She love him and cuddle him.
	Oh, he's crying. I'm like, boy, get up off the ground.
	What you doing? Lay him in the bed.
	He all right. As long as he crying and he ain't dying, we good.
	My wife is just so compassionate.
	She's emotional. Like, even women begin to lactate even if they're not pregnant.
	Mm-hmm. If they have a small child with them, they could be getting a lactate.
	And so it's like women have been designed by God to have that level of empathy and that nurturing feeling.
	And to be honest, men love that about women.
	A man don't want another man.
	I mean, you know, men don't want another man.
	Even gay guys. When you're in a gay relationship, there's one masculine one and one feminine one.
	They're even acknowledging natural order in their unnatural relationships.
	Right. It's the same thing. They're like, there's always a masculine dude with a...
	But you know that's what happens.
	They call it a ladyboy, I don't know what to say, like a feminine gay guy.
	Yeah. What happens is, you know, that one guy that's either been molested or he'd been around nothing but female energy his whole life, so he's a lot more feminine.
	Why does he go for a brawny man?
	Because he didn't have a daddy.
	Mm-hmm. He's looking for love from a man.
	That's why it's important for men to love their boys and hug them and love them and give them some love because then they go out in the world, they don't feel like they need that validation from a man because they got it from their father.
	That's the big problem that we're not talking about.
	Your daddy can be at the house, but if he's not present, what is he doing?
	A man can just be there, like my friend.
	He said, man, my daddy was at the house, but he wasn't present.
	You know, so that affects young men too.
	And therefore they look for validation from other men.
	And then the sexual thing is like probably something else in many cases.
	Well, when I'm talking about hyperfeminization, it's taking this amazing attribute that women have and hijacking it for really bad stuff, right?
	So it is the reason why, and I had this huge discussion on my show many episodes ago about, like, women getting the right to vote.
	Why it actually brought a lot of bad into our society.
	I said, you know, I asked my followers, listeners, name one thing that has objectively gotten better than It's true.
	And that is why you are correct.
	I was more moderate on the gay stuff because I'm like, when you say the argument, like, well, it's just love.
	You know what I mean? Don't you?
	Are you the way that you feel about George?
	If somebody feels that way, isn't it okay for them to be together?
	That's such an easy entry point with women because we're going to say, yeah, yeah, if it's just gay, you know, love each other.
	Whereas men, when you talk about that reaction that they instantly have, are able to hold
	the line in a less emotional way.
	They're looking at things more objectively.
	But it's not a bad thing for women to be empathetic.
	It's a bad thing when that empathy gets hijacked for evil in the same way that men are objectively
	aggressive.
	You see this with my son.
	You see him here.
	He's a psycho.
	George, he's just like, let's go.
	You know what I mean? It is a natural aggression.
	It is an aggression that then becomes used to protect communities, to protect your home.
	This is why men go to war, right?
	Why women stay at home.
	Not because of the patriarchy, because we are designed in this way.
	You go out. Hours you're put in doing your radio show, blah, blah, blah.
	You're going to war while Corinne's babying Beau and putting him into the crib.
	It's when a man's natural aggression gets hijacked.
	Right. That it becomes a problem, right?
	When you're suddenly sending men out and they're doing marching orders for Stalin, right?
	When they just assassinate people for no reason because they're, you know, assassinate them because they're Christian, you know?
	That's natural aggression that's become hijacked to do evil.
	And I think that right now in society, we aren't dealing with the crisis of aggression that's being hijacked.
	We're dealing with empathy that's being hijacked.
	We have a hyper-feminization problem.
	Mm-hmm. And we feminize our young men.
	It's scary. Just like you see the single mother rate in some of these communities are neck-breaking.
	Then you see that directly correlate to homosexuality.
	You go to Atlanta and women complain about not knowing if half of the men are gay or not.
	And you look at the fact that they don't have male structure.
	I think that you can hijack the women, the female empathy.
	And two reasons why women voting, there's a conspiracy behind it.
	It's hard to say that. I bet your audience wanted to kill you and throw you off the internet.
	No, they actually were like, you know, my audience is very rational.
	So they were kind of like, you know, you're right.
	But see, if I said it, it'd probably come across a little different.
	Women shouldn't vote. I just asked, do you think it's...
	Forget making the statement.
	I'm not making an argument that we shouldn't be allowed to vote anymore, but I'm saying, like, have we been responsible?
	I hate to say it because it's like women and black people.
	When you look at the statistical breakup of voting...
	The only voting group of people that have helped us become afloat and not be a communist country is the white male Christian.
	If you look at the voting blocs, you go and look at the voting of African American people, most of them vote for Democrat, which is socialism.
	I call this regressive, but they claim to be progressive.
	The Democrat Party turned up the country.
	And so when you look at it, the massive amounts of black people voting up, massive amounts of women overwhelmingly voting up.
	I will throw in a defense for black men, though, because until they broke up the black home, black men were voting Republican and were voting just the same way that white men were voting.
	And then once families got torn apart...
	It became emotional.
	Black men became a part of that emotional silly party that were really voting for policies based on emotion and not rationality and education.
	We started being raised by women.
	We started being raised in a feminine environment.
	Our churches went from being led by men to being led by women.
	And I think that those things create that empathetic approach that may not be conducive for America, may not be conducive for the Black community.
	And I hate to say it, but we have to look at the scorecard, like you said, is that how are we voting?
	And I think the government had two things in mind, well, three things in mind when they allowed women to vote.
	And it wasn't because of women's rights and women need a fair shake in society.
	It's because they could only tax half of the population.
	They let women vote. Now they can tax both sides.
	They went from 50% to 100% of the population they can now tax.
	Now, instead of you being at home with your kids, instead of you being able to take care of the family, now you working just as much as demanding where your kids go.
	They're going into the government system, and now the system is raising your kids.
	So they manipulated our society by doing that on not having access to our kids and raising them like we should.
	Also, with the taxation.
	And then the last point that you made, and I forget the point you just made, but I think it was...
	I forget the point, but I think we'll get to it.
	But the three points were associated with that.
	The two that I added was a taxation and the lack of raising your own children.
	Yeah, I think that's what the government does.
	They see an opportunity. They don't want to do something.
	So that's like Lyndon Baines Johnson.
	He was an avowed racist. He was a president at the time.
	There were all of these racial riots.
	He basically had to allow...
	Black people, he had to sign the Civil Rights Act, right?
	And when he signed it, he notoriously said that, quote, I'll have those N-words voting Democrat for the next 200 years, essentially saying, all right, if I'm going to give them freedom, I'm also going to enslave them, right?
	Right? And that's exactly what he did.
	did. He said, how can we benefit from having, you know, black Americans now equal in society
	and then, you know, give it and take it away, right? We're going to give you civil rights,
	but at the same time, we are going to break down your families via welfare and trillion
	dollar, you know, the many trillion dollar welfare industry was born to the benefit of
	the government and the destruction of the black family.
	Same thing for women. I think women started, you know, oh, we want rights. You want rights.
	Government took a look at that and they said, okay, how are we going to use this to our
	benefit? Women are wildly emotional. So anything that we want to get past that actually isn't
	We're going to figure out what the emotional argument is and women will be the first ones marching for it.
	And that's exactly what's happened.
	Women don't understand why there's a line there.
	They feel bad for somebody and then we get the ball over.
	We get the ball over the line every single time.
	Women are controlling the way their husbands vote.
	They're saying to their husbands, this is what we should vote.
	How could you vote for Trump?
	he said, grab them by the P word. That's not a really rational reason to not vote for somebody
	because of locker room talk, something that you would have never heard. And that maybe
	your husband has definitely said in the locker once or twice too, right? But that became
	their number. Grab them by the P word, the P word hats, wildly emotional and irrational
	arguments willing to forfeit the economy to ensure that this man would never see office
	again. And that's by and large what they've actually done.
	So we do have a problem. Um, and again, not an argument to say, well, we should just not
	allow women to vote.
	I think even having the discussion and being a woman that's acknowledging it and saying, we have not done a good thing here.
	We have allowed a lot of bad things.
	It is women that are backing up this trans movement.
	Make no mistake, it is feminists, quote unquote feminists, that are saying, well, if that's how he feels, then maybe that's just like what should happen.
	You know what I mean? And so we do.
	We have a problem with And I think that it's good and bad.
	The left side exploits it.
	The right side needs to be able to meet somebody in the middle, right?
	We need to understand that our arguments can't just be so stern like this.
	We have to try to appeal emotionally, too.
	Because when I was growing up, the reason that I like the Democrat Party over the Republican Party, because the Democrat Party seemed compassionate, just like Christ.
	He's compassionate. We love people.
	We want to help the poor and the needy.
	In reality, that ain't even the case.
	It's that we want to manipulate y'all so we can reign over you forever.
	We want to give you a handout so then you depend on us.
	You can't depend on your God. You can't depend on your father.
	I am your father.
	I am your God. What does the government say to the poor people or the inner city people that they control so handedly?
	There's no other group of people that vote like Black people.
	I hate to say that, and I'm not trying to bash Black people, but it's like, Hispanic people don't vote that one-sided.
	And when you get yourself in a position like that, you're screwed.
	Your vote don't count. I was talking, we were on a panel at the Blexit event, the last one in New York.
	We were on a panel and the black people that were the opposite of the conservative blacks were just completely simping for the Democrat Party to the point of their own demise.
	If we don't attack the illegal immigration in our country, black people's Population numbers are going to drop significantly.
	We already have the most abortions per capita.
	We're already in prison like nobody's business, murdering each other out of control, out of wedlock birth.
	I mean, our education system is going down the drain.
	And with all of those ailments, you have illegals that come into this country, and they come into the country without this idea that America hates us.
	And that we can't never be nothing because we black.
	And the white man follow me around the store all day.
	Well, they don't have that. They come into the country.
	They flourish. They have families.
	They do all of these things.
	And by 2050, they're going to be the majority by far.
	And black people are going to still be voting one way.
	Right now, the Republicans can win without a black vote.
	5%, 3%.
	They can win with that small amount of vote.
	But inevitably, what's going to happen is that the Hispanics are going to have such a big population compared to black people that they're not going to be pitching to them anymore.
	We saw the Democrat debates in the last election.
	They were speaking Spanish. You know how stupid that is?
	They were speaking Spanish. I'm like, you guys are the stupidest people in the world.
	If somebody can only understand Spanish, they're probably watching Telemundo.
	And if they can understand Spanish enough and they're not watching Telemundo, they only heard you say three things.
	And then you hear nothing else that you said on television.
	So you can see the writing on the wall with power and control.
	And I just wish that people would wake up.
	That's why I'm glad you're mentioning this because people need to think about it and say, as a woman, psychologically, am I getting played?
	Are they playing with my emotions as a black person?
	Are they using my ancestry against me to make me hate this country?
	I was at a store, me and my wife was shopping, and they were following us around the store.
	You know, the funny thing is, is that, you know, if my wife was black, And it was two of us.
	We were both black and they were following around the store.
	That would be a concept that people associate with.
	Because I'm black, they follow me around the store.
	No. They follow my white wife around the store because they wanted to buy something and spend all my money.
	But it's easy to fall into that trap that we've been taught that you got to look at the white man as being bad everywhere you go, even in another country.
	Yeah, it's funny that you say that because my husband has this biracial friend and he kind of had his mind rotted by BLM. And one of the things that he said to him, I think especially biracial, where they feel like they have to lean in to show, like to prove that they're blacker, you know?
	And he basically said to my husband, you know, how can you say racism doesn't exist when I can tell you how many times I've been walking into a restaurant and And somebody has handed me their keys, thinking I was the valet.
	And George said to him, mate, do you know how many times people have accidentally handed...
	If you're a young kid, you're a young guy, and you're staying outside of a fancy restaurant, looking, wearing a jacket, he was like, people have handed me the valet keys too.
	You just assume this is an experience that you're having because you're 50% black and not because people make mistakes.
	You know, I've wrongly turned to a white person in the store and been like, do you have this size?
	And she's like, oh, I don't work here. I was looking at her race.
	She looks young. Maybe she worked here.
	She was kind of in the corner.
	I'm like, oh, okay, I'm so sorry.
	And when you reset your mind and you think everything is about race and you look for it, then you start to see it everywhere.
	And it's really just your own delusion.
	I do want to pivot and talk about black women in particular, though, because we are seeing a shift in black men.
	I have noticed there are a lot of YouTube channels Black men supporting me, you know, watching my videos, kind of saying, like, she's making sense here, I get what she's saying, and I think it's because I spent a lot of time talking about how devalued black men have become in our society, particularly Case in point, recent example, Kiki Palmer, wearing that outfit to the Usher concert, the Usher Las Vegas residency concert, dancing with him, full butt cheeks out in this outfit.
	Now, I don't know whether or not her and her ex are together or not together.
	Darius Jackson, I think is his name.
	And he comes out and he says, like, you know, you're a mom.
	Like, you're a mother. With your girls, drinking, dancing on Usher.
	Y'all old, too. Y'all too old to be doing that.
	And then he tweets and doubles down on this and says, like, you guys, we live in a society where a man who wants to be a family man says this is wrong, and he got eaten on Twitter.
	You know, you're this, you're that, you're jealous of her, all this stuff.
	Now, I'm not saying he's a good man.
	Maybe he's got skeletons in his closet.
	I'm sure he does. But objectively, what he's saying is so true, right?
	And yet with black women, there is still this anger.
	The one adjective I've used to describe the black community that I see and the women that attack me when I say these sorts of things is Is that they're very angry, right?
	What are we observing in this dynamic that now it seems that black men are kind of, and I think this is a large part due to Kevin Samuels who passed away, and black women applauded.
	They were happy. He died.
	How angry and vicious do you have to be to be celebrating literally someone's death because you started talking about high-value women?
	What do you see? Are you talking about the black community?
	Something seems to be shifting.
	Yeah, well, because I think always the movement is the position of the man.
	The men are supposed to be leaders.
	God designed us that way.
	So when men start taking that rightful position, we start seeing things change.
	I feel like black men have been taking a backseat for way too long.
	They're not leading their household.
	They're not leading in the church, like I said.
	A lot of black men have been passive all these years.
	But at some point, black men are getting sick.
	And tired of being second-class citizens, and they're sick and tired of being ruled by the Black woman, that they finally say, you know, I'm going to think for myself for a change.
	And those Black men begin to see it for what it is.
	And I think that's a positive thing.
	Unfortunately, well, I'm hoping that Black women will begin to open their minds as well.
	I think that there are. I think slowly but surely, the pendulum is starting to swing.
	But Kevin Samuel was a perfect example.
	And it's funny because when he was bashing men, because people didn't know Kevin Samuel.
	Kevin Samuel's been doing it for like 15 years.
	He was not famous at first.
	He used to do men so dirty.
	Dude calling on his show.
	He asked him what his penis size was and asked him how much money he got in the bank and said, you ain't nothing.
	You fat. You ain't got no, you know, your thing little.
	And all of these things. I mean, I feel bad for the dude.
	I'm like, bro, why you calling his show?
	So when he was bashing men, nobody said anything.
	He just started bringing up women and it became viral.
	People hated him. And if you ever look at a Kevin Samuel show, these women that call into his show are the most outrageously irrational women that I've ever heard in my life.
	And so, you know, I'm going off course, but...
	What it says is that there's a movement of black men taking their right position.
	That's why we see a change.
	I think that will change the entire community.
	And the same thing is in all of society.
	The same thing is biblical.
	If any Christian, a person that believes in the Bible, you see, God chose men.
	You know, Adam and Eve.
	Adam was given the instruction.
	Eve came from his ribs.
	She was secondary to him.
	She ate the forbidden fruit and nothing happened.
	If you notice, nothing happened.
	Adam ate the fruit.
	Then that's when it all came downhill because it was Adam's responsibility.
	It wasn't Eve's responsibility.
	And in society today, it's the man's responsibility.
	We need to take our position.
	And then we'll start seeing These political things change.
	Then we'll start seeing people rise up and say, you know what, we're tired of this transgender stuff.
	You're not going to have these things at our school.
	It's unacceptable. It's crazy to me how you don't really, you're starting to see more men now, but you don't see men showing up.
	Man, if they do something like that at my son's school, ooh, I'm probably going to be in trouble.
	Tatum going to show up.
	That's what men are supposed to do.
	And I see a lot of these women get on these school boards and they're talking and saying all this stuff.
	And I'm like, where's the father at?
	Where's the men at? Because it's almost like society respects it when men pull up, right?
	When men come up on the stage and be like, that's enough.
	You ain't doing it to my kids. Budweiser.
	Perfect example. Perfect example.
	The trans women was all over women's stuff, wearing, taking women's products, wearing Dylan Banks and all these sponsorships with women products.
	Women didn't do anything. Yeah.
	Dylan Wilvaney popped open one can of beer, one can of beer in a bathtub, and men said, war!
	Billions of dollars, gone.
	Yes. That's a male-dominated...
	Yeah, that means that you're right.
	When men do say enough is enough, society does shift.
	And for whatever reason, women don't do it because we feel bad.
	So we like, oh, I know like Dylan Mulvaney is in my space and he's taking positions away from women who shouldn't maybe have these makeup sponsorships, but I just feel bad because I want Dylan Mulvaney to feel good.
	I know that these trans runners are dominating female sports and taking positions away from girls who have worked their entire lives to be in that moment, but I just feel bad.
	Yeah, but that's why men are called to lead.
	It's not that women should not have responsibilities, not that women don't have a voice.
	It's that the emotional side can really hamper.
	All you got to do is look at, you know, generations, evolution.
	I mean, you go down the list, you see why men were the leaders in these different empires.
	Maybe there were matriarchies at some point.
	But men led because they have the temperament to lead objectively.
	Women are supposed to be emotional because that emotional woman keeps the man in check from not being a raging lunatic because you leave it to the devices of men unchecked by good, solid, compassionate women.
	Men are barbaric.
	Yes. I mean, you see these societies where they're just chopping people's heads off.
	You don't see women chopping people's heads off.
	Men can go really crazy without having that balance of a compassionate, loving woman.
	But in our society, we have to allow men to lead.
	And I'll say this, because men cannot get off the hook with this.
	You have to be a man that deserves to have a leadership role.
	You don't just get a leadership role because you got a penis.
	You need to step up and be a man.
	You don't just get to run the household because you're a man.
	No, you need to take responsibilities.
	You need to go to work.
	You need to work hard. You need to protect your family.
	It's a lot of things in society I wish they would train young men on and stop letting them be sitting on the sideline.
	The advent of feminism really was very harmful to women and harmful to men as well.
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	Alright, so to button this conversation, you and I just talked about this at lunch, and it goes right in the theme of hyperfeminization, women having their emotions hijacked.
	I've been in this very weird theological climate, I guess you could say, in talking about why I am being drawn toward the Catholic faith and away from Protestantism.
	And a huge component of that is when I hear these pastors that are getting loose on their biblical beliefs, or they actually believe that they're leaning more into the biblical beliefs, depending on who you're listening to.
	Where they say, okay, no, we actually believe that females can be pastors.
	And I just know that once you, once again, as we discussed, break down that barrier of having men say, okay, this is what is and what is not, and you allow women to become dominant inside of the church, we are going to have a circumstance, which we already do have in the Protestant faith, of certain churches saying that it's fine to fly LGBTQ flags, that Any person can go here because women, we are wired to be more emotional and to be more compassionate and to feel bad for a gay man.
	When the gay man says, I just want to come and learn about God too.
	Like, why can't I be here? I know that I'm trans, but why can't there be a trans church?
	Once again, the women will be the purveyors of allowing that to come into the church.
	What is your take on the climate of faith right now and what's happening?
	Yeah, I think the Catholic Church provides more of a structure and the Protestant Church is more of a freedom.
	And when you go into this, it's almost like, I don't know if it's a great comparison, but the iPhone and the Android, right?
	iPhone is structured.
	You only can download so many apps.
	It's safe. It's got a structure here.
	You go to the Android phone, you can download apps, create apps.
	It's so much more loose and flexible, which some people think is a benefit, but then it can go too far.
	The same thing is with the Catholic and the Protestant church.
	The Protestant church is a little more free, but then they go crazy.
	In the Protestant church, the theology is very similar to the Catholic church.
	The Bible is the Bible.
	If it's in the Bible, in the Protestant church, in the Catholic church, it should be similar.
	What happens is people want to be trendy with the times, and it's about money and membership.
	Just imagine being a church where you say women cannot preach.
	Therefore, we translate that as women cannot have a voice.
	And therefore, if women don't have a voice, they're going to go to the church that they can have a voice in.
	And somebody that's looking at opportunity and money will say, okay, let's be lax on our rules.
	Let's write the Bible or make it say what we want it to say so we can have more people and be more accepted.
	That's why you see all kind of other stuff.
	Homosexuality is a sin. There's no such thing as a homosexual priest or a pastor.
	There's no such thing as a female pastor.
	Women can teach in the church, but women should not be pastoring the church.
	Paul already addressed the church with this way back in the New Testament of the Bible, where he had said women should not usurp authority over men in the church.
	He told, I forget which church he was, I don't know if it was Colossians or whatever, but he told the men there that the women should be quiet in your church.
	I don't think that's for him to say every church, but what was happening was these women were doing the same thing they're doing now in the modern church.
	He had to set the record straight and say, your women should be quiet in your church and she have questions she should ask her husband at home.
	Women shouldn't usurp authority over men because it was getting out of control just like we see today.
	So I don't think it's really an issue between Catholic and Protestant.
	It's the issue of Protestant becoming more secular and worldly than adhering to the principles where it starts.
	I think that's inevitable. So I wouldn't disconnect those two ideas.
	I think it's inevitable. I think that once women begin to lead, take on these leadership roles in the church, in society, we're voting, it inevitably becomes more secular because of the female superpower, which is emotion, which is a good thing.
	But emotion is very easily hijacked and we just...
	Feel bad, right? I know the Bible says this, but don't you feel bad for this transgendered man who's just saying, you know, don't we just feel bad?
	Why can't we be more accepting? The Bible also says, and you find another scripture, that, you know, we should love thy neighbors.
	Whatever it is, I think that that happens, that structure is able to fall when you put women in those stewardship positions.
	And that sounds awful, obviously.
	This is why it becomes so hard to fix the condition that we're in today.
	We are suffering today from hyperfemininity.
	During World War II, we were suffering from hypermasculinity.
	Men doing horrible things worldwide.
	Now we are suffering from hyperfemininity.
	People feeling bad.
	Feeling bad and allowing evil to...
	I feel bad.
	And it's hard to put that genie back in the Bible because feeling bad is emotional.
	Whereas you can say, Stalin is evil, right?
	We need to kill this man to end this.
	We need to go after Adolf Hitler to end this evil.
	This hijacking of masculinity.
	It's less objective when it's the hijacking of emotions.
	It's hard to say, how do we kill this?
	How do we kill the idea that we should be teaching children about sexuality?
	It becomes very hard to kill that because it's an idea, right?
	And so I guess my last question to you is, in acknowledging that we live in this hyper-feminine moment right now, how do we get the genie back into the bottle when it's so less objective?
	I think it's impossible at this point, to be honest.
	Sad way to end the podcast.
	The bottom line is to follow the scripture.
	If you follow the scripture, you won't be led astray.
	That's very simple to do.
	But the problem is that people...
	They want to be accepted.
	It's like a human nature. Even male and female, they want to be accepted.
	They don't want to come across as a rude person.
	Just like parenting. That's why parents are so soft now.
	Back in the day, you do some of the stuff that kids do today, you get beat half to death.
	And now, you know, they're like, oh, you know, they're very soft on them.
	You should get hit in school. Yeah, we got spanked in school.
	Now we have kids beating up teachers in school.
	Right, right. That'll never happen. I beat up my teacher, I'm dead.
	Mm-hmm. Daddy show up, I'm dead.
	And the police won't be able to get there fast enough.
	But what it has come to is that people have been so used to good times and so used to prosperity that they feel, well, we don't need to be strict on God anymore.
	We can begin to water it down.
	We don't need to be so strict, I would argue, out of fear of the 501c3 status.
	Because you got to think the government is still in control of the churches.
	They act like there's a separation between church and state.
	No, it's not. The government controls the church.
	You get out of line as a church, they'll take away your status.
	And the church model that's set up today, you lose your 501c3 status.
	What you going to do financially? You're going to crumble.
	You got to close your church and you got to go get a real job.
	Not saying that pastoring is not a real job.
	The bad pastors are not doing what they're supposed to do.
	They probably should get a real job.
	So when you see the compassion that people feel, I get it, I understand it, but we need to go back to the Bible.
	We need to go back to the origin.
	You don't make a copy from a copy.
	This is why you see the Catholic Church and the Protestant Church being all kind of messed up, because what happened was the Protestant Church was spun out of a copy of the Catholic Church.
	That's why you see Presbyterian, Methodist, and all of these quasi-Catholic churches.
	And then you see Baptist, Apostolic, which are different from the Catholic Protestant type churches.
	And it had all been made from a copy, copy of a copy of a copy of a copy, instead of
	copying the original, which is the scripture in the book of Acts, how the first church
	was formed.
	So if we go back to the beginning, we live out those principles unashamed, we will see
	things change.
	But our society is so hell bent on the financial aspect of it and on the societal aspect of
	it, it's almost impossible to go back now.
	Just like the LGBTQ Pride Month, are they going to not do Pride Month in the future?
	No, they can never not do Pride Month.
	They've already accepted in our society.
	And as soon as they add the other color on there, which is going to be minor attractive
	person, you ask me, that's going to be the other little plus, it's going to be behind
	the plus.
	They're not going to have it on there.
	It's going to be behind the plus where nobody can see it.
	They're going to add that color to the flag.
	They're going to begin to adhere to that.
	And the government is still going to have to celebrate that month long holiday.
	We have gotten ourselves to a point of no return.
	And I hate to say this, but the return to logic and I'm going to get killed over this, but the return to what we should be, it has to be a lot more strict than what we're willing to go.
	I'm talking about strict to the point where a president says that homosexuality is a mental illness, like it was in the 70s, to the point where people who are homosexual cannot do these things in society.
	As a country, we're not willing to do that.
	If we were willing to do that, But what do you mean, can't do these things in society?
	Meaning that marriage is between a man and a woman.
	So if you're gay, you can be a civil union, but it's not going to be marriage.
	Yeah, I wanted you to qualify it because then someone would take that clip and be like, he is saying that gay people cannot go to the grocery store.
	No, no, that's completely stupid because nobody really knows if you're gay.
	You got the gay on your forehead.
	Most people wouldn't know you're gay, but it's like these institutions where they want to be validated in, it's not a real thing.
	You're homosexual, you have a mental illness, it should be treated as such.
	Transgender, you're dealing with gender dysphoria.
	That's a mental illness.
	You need to be treated as such.
	Those things are not celebrated.
	They're treated. And it's going to be hard to kind of put that on society today.
	Just imagine if the Supreme Court overruled or overturned gay marriage.
	Maybe they would burn.
	I think that it's going to happen.
	Unfortunately, it's probably going to cause the conservative party to struggle.
	But it's going to happen.
	Affirmative action was one of them.
	And the next thing is going to be gay marriage, because it's not protected.
	It's not the same as marriage between a man and a woman of different races.
	Gay marriage is something different.
	And we have to be so harsh if we want to get back to what's right.
	And I don't think we're willing to do that.
	Well, people aren't even willing to at least have the discussion.
	They won't let you talk about it.
	If you see a person, a gay person, and you're like, I disagree with you.
	I love you.
	You're welcome to come into my store, but I disagree with your premise.
	You are transphobic, hating, homophobic, and you should be shunned.
	Your business should be shut down.
	You say, hey, I'm a Christian company.
	I make websites for Christians.
	Now, she won. Obviously, the Supreme Court ruled in her favor, the lady in Colorado that did the websites.
	But they said we wanted to make a gay website.
	And she's like, well, I don't do that in my Christian profession.
	And they shunned her and want to sue her and make her lose all her money.
	That's the kind of vitriol that they have against Christians.
	Now, let me add this part.
	There is a battle going on between this country, the people, and Christianity.
	Think about this for a minute.
	What term do you use if somebody hates Christians?
	We already know it's Islamophobia.
	We already know it's anti-Semitic when it's against Jews.
	But what about when it's against Christians?
	They have no term whatsoever.
	Christianity is under attack.
	We're being bludgeoned. The only way to fix it is if we become radical Christians, and people aren't willing to do that.
	I hate to end it on a note like that, but people are not willing to stand up and say, that's wrong.
	The Bible is right.
	This is what our country was built on.
	Our country was not built on Islam.
	Our country, to be honest, wasn't built on Judaism.
	It was really built on a Judeo-Christian perspective.
	And there's no separation between church and state.
	All you gotta do is look at all the founding documents in our country.
	They have God in it, on our money, in God we trust.
	And the Pledge of Allegiance has God all in everything that we do.
	The Ten Commandments were in the courthouse.
	You have to swear in on the Bible.
	There's no real separation between church and state.
	People misinterpret that.
	And as Christians, we've let people get too comfortable in bashing the foundation of this country.
	Our inalienable rights, where do they come from?
	They come from God. They don't come from the cosmos.
	So all of these things, even the Constitution that was written, all of these things were from the perspective of Christian values.
	And now we just let everybody do whatever they want to do.
	I would argue that there should be a Christian nationalist movement.
	Now, people that are watching this hear the definition of Christian nationalist and they think something else.
	Christian nationalist, from what I'm saying, is that we should be understanding that Christ, the direction of Christ, is the right way.
	Everybody that is in positions of power, in my opinion, we should rise up and support Christians to be in positions of power.
	Every aspect of our society.
	Because if we don't, these devil-loving, God-hating lunatics will begin to ruin our country and send our kids into a spiral downhill.
	That's exactly what we see.
	Devil-loving, God-hating lunatics.
	I think it's a perfect place to end this podcast.
	We should actually make a shirt.
	We'll share it. Yeah, that's exactly right.
	Well, Brandon, thank you so much for joining today.
	Lots of trouble we are going to get into in the podcast.
	I think it was actually one of the best discussions I've ever had because most people are just not willing to go there and actually really assess what's happening here because everybody is so afraid of being canceled.
	But the beauty... I've already been cancelled 26 times, 26,000 times, like I have been and you have been, that they can't really cancel you again.
	So, you know, it's like, write your headlines.
	Good luck. Yeah. All right, guys, that is all the time that we have for today.
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