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Welcome to this edition of Thought Crime.
You're making me think of Are You Afraid of the Dark?
If anyone remembers that, that's a good movie.
It's such a good show, rather.
So I got the Afraid of Darkness.
And I could control them.
I could control them with an app, and it's awesome.
You know, true story, the oldest memory I have of Phoenix.
I've been trying to do it all week.
The oldest memory I have of Phoenix is that I came here when I was like nine or so because my dad had a work trip here and I was at the Phoenician and I was watching the Are You Afraid of the Dark movie on the hotel TV.
There was a movie?
There was like a made-for-TV movie that was like two hours long.
And it wasn't a story.
The kids had to fight evil in real life.
So the Are You Afraid of the Dark that literally I think about all the time is the one where I think the kids turn into like dolls or something.
And they're do you remember?
Does anyone remember this one?
I don't remember that.
There's a dollhouse and the kids turn into dolls and their skin becomes porcelain.
Whoa.
Wait, no, I remember that.
Yeah.
Or something.
I do remember that.
I think about it all the time.
I remember.
I don't know why.
Like it just like it just stuck with me that it was like a really eerie.
And it was like a Ryan Gosling episode.
It was like 4 p.m.
You're like in a dark house.
You know, you're eating a peanut butter and jelly sandwich after school and you're watching Are You Afraid of the Dark by yourself?
Like that was, that was America in like the 90s and early 2000s.
Yeah, he was.
Ryan Gosling was in the season five episode, The Tale of Station 109.1, which I am not familiar with.
Speaking of Ryan Gosling, the team has said that this new movie that he's in is pretty good.
The Eerie Dollhouse Memory00:07:05
The sci-fi one?
Yeah.
I don't know.
I can't really get into that because it's like the original, the first movie that guy made, The Martian, same author, is like one of the most Reddit books ever written.
It's like he names his base like Bass Ninja Pirate Monkey or something like that.
Yeah, so I've yeah, so I read the book for Project Hail Mary.
I thought it was a good book.
I'm definitely excited to see the movie.
The books, it's sort of like there's what does it say?
Like he's like the last person who has the chance to save the world and it's this mission and it's like the stars are going out.
So it is kind of like an environmental thing.
But then he goes into outer space and he needs this.
Was it racism that made the stars go?
And like the whole thing is about like their relationship, like figuring out how to like save the world basically to see if the aliens can figure out how to save everything.
That's pretty cool.
Are the stars going out because of racism?
Because that's kind of what modern sci-fi is usually about.
That's right.
All right, that's good.
Yeah, that means we wouldn't want them to avoid confronting systemic racism as the cause of all problems in the world.
We have a, I think, noteworthy, it's noteworthy.
Our first story has nothing to do with racism.
Really?
It's a big deal on it.
But it is sexism.
Well, depends how you look at it.
Well, that's what they claimed.
That's what this person's supporters claimed.
Well, let's get into it.
Blake, what's the story?
All right.
Well, we have, we're very interested in this one.
If you're wondering why, despite having no women on here, we're going in a true crime direction.
It's because there's a very direct involvement with another case we're all very interested in.
The case we are talking about is Corey Richens.
This is a true crime saga that's been unfolding in the state to our north in Utah.
And it's pretty fascinating.
It's got all that stuff that'll make a great podcast later.
In fact, I assume it's already made several good podcasts.
It's huge in the podcast.
Yeah, absolutely massive in the 2x chromosome podcast world.
Because Corey Richens, she is a mom, I believe, a Mormon mom in Utah.
And years ago, I think like in 2022, her husband in his 40s abruptly died.
And she wrote a children's book about the death and about, oh, overcoming this trauma with her children.
She got interviews in the press.
She was interviewed by an NPR station.
Like this was not even a throwaway.
This was people saw this story.
People read this book.
And then mere weeks after the book, yeah, Are You With Me?
That's the book there.
And then mere weeks after this book came out, the police came forward.
They'd been investigating it for a year.
And they say Corey actually murdered her husband.
She poisoned him.
Apparently, she was deep in debt.
She'd piled up a lot of debts.
And she thought if she murdered her husband, who was from a quite wealthy family, that she would inherit his estate.
She also took out a lot of life insurance policies on him.
And so she murdered him to get access to that and pay off her debts.
And thankfully, that failed.
She finally went to trial.
It took three years to go to trial.
And after about three hours, I believe a jury was able to convict her.
And I think, Jack, you're probably chomping at the bit to reveal why this is of particular interest to us.
Let's not do that yet.
Let's walk through the story first.
Okay.
All right.
Because that takes it in a different direction.
All right.
Okay.
But she, so a couple things I just want to add.
So I'm just kind of pulling this up.
The family was Mormon.
The family she married into was Mormon, but they claimed her defense claimed at trial that she herself was not.
Oh, and that.
And that's that important thing.
Like, Tyler, tell me, are Mormon wives like allowed to kill their husbands?
So her not being Mormon?
So this is secret lives of non-Mormon wives is what you're saying.
Secret wives of non-Mormon wives.
Secret lives of non-Maria women.
What is the Mormon church's position on spousal murder?
It's pretty strong.
You should do it.
Okay.
Reasoning is involved.
I like it when churches hold firm on it.
So yeah.
And then, and the other thing I want to add is that she also had an affair, which was a big part of this.
I think it was like the handyman.
And he actually testified at the trial about the affair.
And there's sort of like she had this real estate firm, like a house flipping kind of deal.
And that's where they had the affair.
But then also the husband from this wealthier family had a construction firm that was very successful.
And what came out was that she had been stealing money from his construction firm to try to shore up her company because, of course, she's got to be girl boss.
And that, you know, eventually it was caught.
And when it was caught, he didn't leave her, the husband, Eric, that he instead, you know, sort of did what he could to get the money back, wrote her out, and that then he wrote her out of the will.
So he like, like, wrote her out of this trust that they had a bunch of things in.
So that's what prompted her to then take this next level of taking out these life insurance and then making herself the beneficiary.
But I just want to add that she forged his signature and that came out at court as well, that she forged his signature and basically committed identity fraud of her own spouse.
Yeah, well, instead of just us joining on about it, we actually, our team did find several clips of Corey Richards on the book tour circuit.
Just like shamelessly, I guess we got to take a look at this.
Let's do clip one.
You know, we kind of, my kids and I kind of wrote this book on the different emotions and grieving processes that we've experienced last year and, you know, hoping that it can kind of help other kids.
I'm new to all of this, so kind of doing all, you know, research and reading books and things to try and understand, you know, not only how to grieve as a widow, as a wife, but also, you know, with my kids, how to help them, how to help them understand what just happened.
And the three C's is how I has visualize it.
And it's connection, continuity, and care.
Making sure connection is the one major one and making sure that their spirit is always alive in your home, you know, and memories are always brought up and doing things that your loved ones love to do, whether it's riding bikes or their favorite dinner and just constantly, you know, talking about them.
Explaining to my kids, just because he's not present here with us physically, that doesn't mean his presence isn't here with us.
He's, you know, here for birthdays and he's here for Christmas.
And, you know, and it's just comforting to them to know that, you know, they're not living this life alone.
Connection, Continuity, and Care00:11:18
So do you guys convict just off that?
Pretty much, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Did something, did that, I'm trying to actually think in my head, did something seem off there?
Or do I just think something seems off because I know what came out later?
Yeah, I just don't, I don't understand how you think you get away with something like that.
Like so she, I definitely went down the rabbit hole on this one a couple nights ago.
And she, what she was doing was she, I guess he, her husband would make these trips in Mexico.
And I think it was like a hunting trip and different things.
And she was trying to say that he had picked up a like a like a drug habit while he was down in Mexico.
And so the way she was trying to get away with it was to say, oh, he had this drug habit, but actually he, you know, it got the better of him.
It turned into an addiction.
And then he accidentally overdosed.
And so she was trying to say that it was an accident.
And my gosh, because they started pulling up her like Google searches, just regular Google search, like not even anything hidden yet.
And I mean, she had been using Google to search all this stuff.
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Oh, that's crazy.
She tried to poison him with a sandwich a few weeks before and it failed.
And so this was her second, she did it twice.
Yeah, she tried once.
And so she gets the fentanyl from she gets the fentanyl from her housekeeper and she called it the Michael Jackson drugs.
And she told the housekeeper who also testified against her, was like, look, I didn't know that.
She was like, I didn't know that I was getting this for murder.
I thought it was getting for her.
And she tried it the first time with this sandwich, this bagel sandwich.
And I guess he got sick.
He got a rash and he had a very strong reaction, but didn't die.
And detectives later found that he told his sister that he thought his wife was trying to kill him.
And they brought that up, that he had actually suspected that.
So, you know, maybe that should be one of the questions here: is that, you know, if you think your wife is trying to kill you, are you really going to continue accepting food from her?
Because unfortunately, I don't mean laugh, but it's, it's, because it's disgusting that he continued to.
She then got more drugs, put it in a Moscow mule, and that was the one that, you know, what's like more concerning than anything about this story is the fact that like the housekeeper, who I'm assuming is Hispanic, just was like, yeah, I can, of course, get fentanyl.
Like, what?
Like, you know, little Maria over there that doesn't speak a word of English.
Utah, you know, you can't get a drink at the bar, but you can apparently find fentanyl pretty quickly.
That's, that's an interesting, that's an interesting factoid in Utah.
Yeah, is this, so what's the, what's going on with the, so the scout, so she's cheating on him, she did identity theft, and it didn't take long for the jury to like come back with a ruling, right?
It was like pretty immediate.
Three hours before a capital case.
Three hours after not, and so this is, you know, kind of, it gets at since we'll be talking a lot about the Utah court system, the way some of these things can really drag out.
So the death occurred in 22.
She publishes her book in 23.
She gets indicted around then as well.
It takes three years for this case to actually go to trial.
Once it's actually on trial, the defense does not actually offer, it calls no witnesses.
They rest immediately.
So there's only the prosecution case.
Defense just instant rests.
And then a few hours of deliberation and the verdict is delivered.
And I'll admit, I find myself wondering, did they really need three years to get to this point?
No.
And I kind of suspect no.
And that gets at, as we know, why a lot of people get really frustrated with our legal system.
I don't think three-year murder trial processes were a common thing that we had 100 years ago.
Nope.
I totally agree.
But on the other hand, I do find myself impressed when you lay out all the evidence, the way they're getting, oh, well, the housekeeper said this.
And actually, we know everything her husband was telling people and why he thought he was getting sick and all of her web searches.
I am happy.
Wait, did he suspect?
Well, as Tyler said, I think he must not have suspected too much or he probably would have avoided continuing to consume things unless he had a death wish, too.
I mean, imagine that.
You're married to a wife and keeps trying to do it.
The detective said that he told his sister that he thought it was from his wife because I guess she made him the sandwich.
I mean, there had to be some level of that, you know?
Maybe, maybe, like, did he think maybe his wife just oopsa-daisy-drugged him?
Like, maybe she, maybe he thought she had a drug problem.
Maybe there was a really weird.
So, I'll just say this: that I saw a video after this where I guess it was from the day of his celebration of life, where, and they have three little boys.
I don't know if we said that, but they have three little boys at home, where it's the wife, the widow at this point, the murderous, and a bunch of his friends.
And they're like shotgunning beers in the kitchen, and the kids are around.
And the, you know, there just doesn't seem to be any, you know, remorse, certainly no remorse on her part, but also just it, it seems like it was a very party atmosphere kind of thing.
It seems that drinking was something that was extremely prevalent in the household.
And so, you know, to say that, oh, maybe she was trying to kill me.
I mean, I don't know.
I don't know.
It's just a little too, you know, a little too on the nose, I guess.
But at the same time, I don't know if we have that video.
It's just absolutely wild.
And I would like, I know we have a little bit.
Maybe we can, guys, what do you want to do?
Do you, I'd love to play the body cam because we have footage of this.
Let's play the whole thing.
We have like two minutes of it, but we can leave the mics open maybe, and just comment, because we have the body cam of the police arriving and we now know in retrospect that she's, you know, acting for the cameras and I think this is just just very, very interesting.
What do you say?
It's uh, clip six.
He's had two Epi's in our pan.
Two Epi's in our pan, blood sugar is 450 pounds.
Pam, do you want to come out here?
No history.
We have just been tested today.
What's your first name?
What's your first name?
Let's let them do their work in there.
What happened today when we, when you say we were fine what what, what time did you see him when he was alert?
We had a drink together at nine to celebrate something at work tomorrow.
Okay, we went to bed.
We went to bed with my kids.
We went to bed, our bed.
What time did you guys go to bed?
9 30 9 30 okay 9 45, and then what what uh, what allerged you to him today?
Right now, I just woke up.
I, when I sleep with my kids, wake up and I go back to my own bed.
I just crawled over on his side And he was laying in bed.
He was on his back on the bed and I didn't.
Okay.
And he was on, you said he was on his back?
Okay.
Where are your children now?
Don't you sleep in that room?
Two are awake with their ear to the door.
Yikes.
It's creepy.
That's what I mean.
And you hear the police officer.
He's professional.
He's asking questions.
I mean, obviously he's dealing with something horrible, but.
So she said that they had a drink the night before, and then he didn't wake up.
And that drink was the one she poisoned.
Yeah?
Yes.
And she also, at one point in the trial, they introduced a journal.
So I guess she was, she did journaling.
And this was also written in the journal that we had a drink tonight.
I guess you wrote the journal after they had the drinks.
And then we went to bed.
So, you know, thinking that, and then it's the next day that they, or I guess, you know, later that night where they have this scene.
So, I mean, it's just the fact of the matter is, and here's the reason this case matters, I guess, because there's so much evidence of guilt.
Not only the Google searches, but also there was a letter that she wrote from jail.
Blake, did you see this part?
I did not.
Letter she wrote from jail.
There's like so many weird layers to this.
It's like this entire case was invented to be a podcast for like Daisy to listen to.
Yeah, literally.
So she wrote a letter from jail like to her mother.
And I think her mother is actually retained counsel now because this is just so ridiculous, where she was instructing her mother on what to say to police or, you know, and to officials if they ever respond, you know, if they ever came up to her.
And the mother apparently like went along with it.
Like it's, it's, it's, it's the craziest thing that you, you cannot get away with crime and then leave all this evidence of your crime laying around for prosecutors to find.
A Letter from Jail to Mother00:02:07
And that's the key here.
And we're very lucky.
We're genuinely very lucky that criminal behavior is disgusting and evil and like it makes you lose your right to live, honestly, like your right to exist.
Wait, we should probably, this is something we should mention is, oh, do we found, do we have that video?
Yeah, so I want to hit this video, but there was like no defense.
Like they didn't even put up any defense.
We'll talk more about that in a second.
But there was like, when you get to the point in the trial, usually, so you have the, you have the prosecution side, then you have the defense side, then the prosecution rests, then the defense goes and kind of presents their counter case and they call some witnesses and they do what they can to present their, you know, walk you through their version of events.
Their defense never even did that.
They just said, no witnesses and we're not presenting a defense.
And we didn't mention that.
Yeah.
But I do think.
And they said, they said, you know, prosecution didn't make their case, so we're good to go.
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That's the one I was just talking about.
I'm back in the corner.
There we go.
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What are we watching there?
So, yeah, so I don't drink personally.
So I don't know what Normie Cole, like I don't understand Normie culture at all, but like take the case out of it, even regardless of what the context is here.
I just think that kind of behavior around children is a little bit, a little bit, a little bit off.
Like I don't think that's appropriate around kids.
I really don't.
Like if you're drinking a beer around a kid and you're in a cup or a bottle or something, like that's one thing.
But this like binging, binge drinking in front of children is this whole story is thought crime.
Binge drinking in front of children is not okay.
No, no, the thought.
No, ultimately, the reason we had to talk about this is because she was having an affair in addition to all her other reasons for this crime.
So it is quite literally a thought crime.
Is the guy she's having an affair with in the in that video?
That I don't know.
That I don't know.
What were you going to say, Tom?
He's the handyman.
No, I think you bring up a good point, Jack, is that the idea of, I think that American culture in general was far more covert, I guess, in family settings of like not, like, I've noticed this, especially in like group settings, is that you'll have parties or like, you know, type like block party type things, and they'll have like kind of a table that just has a bunch of alcohol at it.
And I feel like that isn't the way that things used to operate.
I feel like like early, earlier in American culture, even when we were growing up, it was, you never saw anything like that.
It was like, oh, you know, of course a dad or mom would be, you know, might have a beer or something, but they would pour into a cup.
And like, that was the concept of the red solo cup.
So it's like you would pour it and like you would, you would drink it and just kind of be on your own, not just kind of like out there, you know, hard liquor, things like that, especially with all of the different types of, you know, alcohol and different things that are out there now.
It's just, I think there's just like a looseness around that.
And then you add on top of that, again, just weed culture.
And I think this is part of the thing, you know, that we talked about with weed culture is that it just is so open.
And it's where people are kind of like, they make it their persona and it's a big deal to their life.
And drinking to a certain extent, like people kind of feel that way too.
And I just don't think that that, I think that's escalated dramatically over the last number of years.
And it's not healthy, particularly around the world.
Well, and you know why that is?
It's the extended adolescence.
It's because you have so many, you know, millennials, elder millennials are having kids now, but they haven't matured themselves to the point where they assume that, you know, the responsibilities of adulthood.
And they were like, oh, I'm friends with my kids.
And I want to be the cool dad and the cool mom.
And you know, like those are going to be the ones that allow their kids to have alcohol, allow them to have access to alcohol and all the rest.
And it's this extended adolescence that's killing everybody.
I think it's leading to a lot of problems.
I think it's horrible.
I think it's killing our country.
And it's something that I see with so many, you know, so many guys, 30s and 40s right now, where they're still just running around acting like children all the time.
And as far as that video, I'm looking at the picture of the guy who, so the guy who testified against her does kind of look like one of the guys in the video because he's got a red beard.
He's thinner now than the one in the video.
So I can't tell for sure if that's him.
Drinking culture makes you fat.
Because he's got that issue.
Drinking.
I want to get to Cesar Chavez.
That's what I want to get to because Cesar Chavez was super based on immigration.
Well, we don't want to be bragging about that, Andrew.
We can't be doing that.
Hold on.
We have to close this out.
I have mixed opinions about Cesar Chavez, obviously.
Before we get to that, we have to do the final plot twist judo flip here.
No, no, no, no.
I'm a fan of his immigration, anti-illegal immigration, anti-flooding the country with Hispanic illegals because he didn't want them to undercut the wages of the union workers.
Now, some of his other extracurriculars, obviously, Blake, take it away.
Hold on.
We have to get the final judo flip on this topic here.
Okay.
Fine.
Jack, Jack, we have to get the final note of notes.
Of course, we do.
In this case, real quick.
The reason that the case hits home for a lot of us, not just because it was in Utah, but because of one.
So I mentioned the defense in this case, which didn't exist.
I mentioned how the evidence was completely stacked against this woman, Corey Richens.
And I just feel so terrible for those children, by the way, to grow up without really a mom and a dad now at this point.
And the fact that the lawyer for the defense in this was Kathy Nestor and is Kathy Nestor.
And Kathy Nestor is also one of the lead state-appointed defense attorneys for Tyler Robinson.
And I'll just say this: that Kathy Nestor did not garner a strong reputation for herself when she was in court during this.
And I think a lot of people have pointed that out and could be something that we're going to preview pretty soon here.
I'm actually glad you did that.
That's fascinating.
Offense comes.
That's the big thing.
So what we're seeing here is potentially the style.
Now, it could be different, totally, totally could be different.
So this is the public defender.
Utah's a small state.
And the fact is that when you have these capital cases, there's only so many people that are available to be able to handle one of these cases.
And Kathy Nestor happens to be the same one in these two extremely high-profile cases, one of which obviously we don't have any connection to, but one of which we all have this connection to.
And so just to understand that this is what we're going to see.
So the same, not to go into all of it, but the same type of delay tactics that we've seen so far, trying to get rid of the prosecutor, trying to do all this other stuff, rather than actually discuss the evidence, trying to get cameras out of the courtroom, trying to block evidence or discussions of evidence in the courtroom.
That's all coming from the same Kathy Nestor who ran the defense for Hori Richens.
Push for Cesar Chavez Holiday00:04:26
All righty.
So now we can talk about how you think Cesar Chavez is really based, Andrew, which you got to be careful.
Hold on.
You got to be careful about Cesar Chavez's based, Andrew, because Cesar Chavez.
I'm just saying he was, I think it's a, I get a crack up every time the left lifts up this guy like he was some civil rights icon, and then you find out, oh, he was beating the crap out of illegal immigrants so that they would get the hell out of America.
Andrew, Andrew, we just got to pause ourselves here.
We should not, we don't need to highlight the reasons that Cesar Chavez is based if we can highlight the reasons that Cesar Chavez, left-wing hero, is a rapist.
Which is what the big news is today.
I mean, I'm not laughing at that, but I see.
For those who have not seen it, we should explain what we're getting at here.
It's been coming out over the last few years.
What are you talking about?
But the New York Times has a mammoth story this morning.
Cesar Chavez, civil rights icon, is accused of abusing girls for years.
This feels like a blast from the past.
I feel like we got.
This isn't the same Cesar Chavez that like Barack Obama has been constantly holding up that like every single Democrat, like major Democrat talks about for all for all these years.
Yeah.
Yeah, or the same Cesar Chavez that has a holiday here in Phoenix.
Government offices will be closed on March 31st for Cesar Chavez Day.
Some schools will get a day off.
Tucson schools will have a day off.
Actually, I have no idea if that's a weekend date or not.
It is a Tuesday.
Yeah, they'll be closed in Tucson to honor this guy.
And I mean, we've got it right here in the New York Times.
The New York Times has covered extensive evidence to support accusations from a whole bunch of women.
And this is that Cesar Chavez was reportedly grooming and abusing girls as young as age 12.
The story opens with a very lurid account.
The man, Cesar Chavez, was one of the most revered figures in the Latino civil rights movement.
He was 45.
She, Anna Marguia, was 13.
She says she was summoned for sexual encounters with him dozens of times over the next four years.
And when she turns 18, he stops.
Yeah, it's like ascended Leonardo DiCaprio syndrome.
Well, hold on.
Yeah, actually, I feel unfair saying that because Leo DiCaprio, he just dates 20-something women.
But like, literally, yeah, cutting them loose.
That's a whole different dumps women when they turn before they turn 30.
Like, that's like his big thing.
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Yeah, so I mean, I've been looking.
We've got right here in Arizona, here's everything in Arizona named after Cesar Chavez.
We have Cesar Chavez Community Center in Levine.
We have Cesar Chavez Plaza in downtown Phoenix.
Caesar Elementary School.
Cesar Chavez Community School.
Cesar Chavez Elementary School.
Cesar Chavez building on the University of Arizona campus, Tucson, Cesar Chavez Boulevard.
A ceremonial street sign in South Phoenix, Cesar Chavez Cultural Center in San Luis, Cesar Chavez Drive in El Mirage, Hardin Cesar Chavez in Tucson, and a bunch of others.
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And I mean, infinity of those in California.
I think there's a very major street they named after Cesar Chavez in Los Angeles.
I know there's been serious push in the past to have Cesar Chavez make it a literal national holiday so that they can have the Latino holiday in addition to MLK Day.
Well, so that's what I think is driving a lot of this.
Is I think there's like a need because you had like MLK for the black community.
You have like a bunch of MLK, uh, black, you know, heroes.
There's not a ton of Hispanic ones.
And so I think that's like the drive here is actually just to appoint somebody from the Hispanic community.
And is listen, I can say this without being racist because I'm quarter Mexican.
Okay.
Wait, I was going to say, like, what do you mean we have two heroes from the Hispanic community?
Andrew, you're sitting right there.
Yeah.
Andrew, how much do you look up to Cesar Chavez?
Like, growing up, did you write essays for school about how you wanted his immigration hardline position?
Although I don't advocate for beating up illegals, was very based.
And that's all I'm going to say.
No beating up illegals unless they attack cops.
But he did not want him.
And I always find that hypocritical position with the modern left that's like open borders to just be so laughable.
Every time they celebrate Cesar Chavez and lift him up, I'm always like, you know, he just like beat the crap out of illegals, right?
He didn't want them lowering the wages for Americans.
And you kind of think about this with Bernie Sanders.
Bernie Sanders used to be really tough on the border, and that kind of changed.
But we see that from Chuck Schumer, Hillary Clinton, like normies.
So Cesar Chavez is a great reminder of the hypocrisy of the modern Democrat Party.
So for that, he's useful.
So Blake, can you walk us through?
Because before we just laugh at the left, can you walk us through a little bit of just how is it that this story broke?
I mean, this is obviously something from a long time ago.
What's the, you know, what's the story of the story here?
Well, so I think I'd have to revisit because I know this is bubbling up in a few places, but the New York Times story dropped this morning, but I know people were already complaining about him a few days ago.
So I think what's really been going on is there have been women who have been starting to talk more.
And so I think the word was getting around that a lot was going to drop.
And the New York Times was pretty disciplined about it.
They cite two women, Miss Margua, and another woman, Deborah Rojas.
And they're talking about getting abused in the 70s when he was in his 40s and they were teenagers.
An investigation by the New York Times has uncovered extensive evidence for their stuff.
I believe they literally say they say somewhere in this article how many it was, but it's like a very large number.
And it just seems like a lot of people knew about it.
And like they just started talking about it.
I think, honestly, because of the ramping up in efforts to officially memorialize Chavez, that seems to have driven a lot of them to finally say something.
Great.
And so I'm looking at it right now.
It says one of them actually was Dolora Suerta.
And she was like his, that was like his public partner in United Farm Workers in UFW.
So, I mean, this is not someone who is just sort of a random, you know, random person.
This is exactly, you know, like his public co-founder of UFW.
She's 96.
And she's saying, yeah, she is publicly stating that he raped her multiple times in the 1960s, claims that both resulted in pregnancies.
She kept them secret.
She arranged for the children to be raised by under other families.
And she claimed that they were forced acts.
Then there's another, there's other women who came out and said that the abuse began around age 12 or 13 and included a rape at age 15 in the 1970s.
So, yeah, it's to your point that these women are now, because it's been so many years later, that some of them, I think, like for Dollar Suerta, that she's, you know, she's 96.
She's probably thinking that Papa doesn't have that much time left and wanted to, you know, wanted to come public with this to really correct the record.
Yeah.
It's like all the left-wing stars have fallen.
First, it was Harvey Milk.
Now it's Cesar Chavez.
I mean, you know, he was in his 40s, by the way, and groomed and repeatedly molested Anna Maguia.
Murguia.
Can't even say it.
Starting at age 13, continued at 17, and molested, then raped Deborah Rojas, groped at 12, raped at 15 while a virgin at UFW sites.
That's crazy.
Yeah, like literally like he's doing one of his marches.
Like, I guess he would have, he had a week-long march across California, and he was having this 15-year-old stay in his motel room during the march.
Like, he just has his side chicks.
They're literally underage teenagers.
Even at the time, like, often, you know, the excuse you'll always get, oh, it was an earlier time.
But, like, no, everyone would think this was incredibly disturbing, even in the 70s when this was taking place.
And it seems, oh, yeah, yeah.
The New York Times, they interviewed more than 60 people, including his top aides, to get to the bottom of this story.
Yeah, this is a very widely corroborated story.
Over 60-plus interviews, union documents, photos prompted immediate cancellation of Chavez Day events and honors.
So the dude's fallen from, you know, what's interesting, though, is like once you get to the saint level within the Democrat sort of progressive hierarchy of heroes, even allegations of sexual misconduct are not necessarily enough to bring you down, right?
So like MLK, there's allegations that he raped women and the FBI wiretapped him.
He had a different woman in every city he would go to for all these marches.
He had women in Vegas.
He had women in LA.
He had women in Boston, women in Florida.
And at least on one occasion, right, he, the allegation was a rape allegation, I believe, for forced sexual assault.
I think it was that he was in the room.
Yeah, the claim is the claim from the FBI who wrote an FBI write-up because they were recording King.
And the claim was that he was in a room with a bunch of pastors and some women, and that one of the pastors like sexually assaults a woman in the room.
And King is like watching and laughing.
That's such an odd description that I do wonder what literally would have been happening.
Supposedly, this stuff still could be released.
They keep delaying the release of it, but I don't know.
I'm in favor of transparency on public figures.
But man, we really dodged a bullet on this one.
I'm looking now.
I remembered this story from a decade ago.
There was an NPR story.
Cesar Chavez, the next Catholic saint.
I'm really glad they didn't go down that, go down that route.
Sign of the intervention of stuff with him.
Oh, that's an interesting question.
Okay.
So what if they make a saint out of Cesar Chavez, right?
But then they find out like a few years later that he was actually a rapist and a pedophile, too.
What happens then?
Can you like desanctify or does the church never get it wrong?
I don't really think you can undo it.
Like it's supposed to be dude.
So no.
So Andrew, that, like, that process.
So like, take a look at Fulton Sheen right now.
So, Fulton Cheen is someone who's up for sainthood, even though he passed away, I don't know, gosh, 50, 60 years ago.
That is all stuff that would come out during the canonization process.
Not if these women hadn't have come out with it.
No, but I'm saying that it is not something that is quick, is what I'm trying to say.
For the vast majority of people, Carlo Arcutis, you know, some people, it has moved John Paul II obviously has moved a little faster.
But for the vast majority of people who become canonized, it is an extremely laborious process where they do investigate all sorts of things like this or whether or not they were associated with anything.
I'm just saying, what if they weren't known?
They really dialed that back.
That was a criticism of, I believe, John Paul II.
He got, they used to have a position called, I think, literally the devil's advocate, and he would argue against the sainthood of somebody for that reason.
But that's part of the process.
But no, I believe John Paul II got rid of it.
And so we have a lot more saints getting made now.
And that's one reason you now, the one like the Pope will go to Japan and he'll just have like, here's 40 new saints because like they've streamlined the process and like Mother Teresa became a saint faster than usual.
France has changed a lot.
All right.
France has changed a lot, to say the least.
But one of the reasons that the traditional process is what I'm speaking of is so laborious.
Just one example of that is that there's currently only one male saint for the entire history of the United States of America.
Just one.
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I'm just saying, what if you didn't know?
What if this Dolores or whatever gal's name is didn't speak up at 96 years old and you'd already made him a saint?
Is there a process for rolling it back?
So, I mean, I'm sure, I'm certain there'd be a process.
I'm just saying that it would be has it ever happened before?
There have never been sanctified.
There have sort of been saints where they've been saints where they have kind of stopped encouraging the celebration of them.
Yes.
But like as an example, there used to be medieval saints who would be child saints.
And the reason they were a saint was, this is awkward to say, but I'm not making this up, is they were children who were allegedly abducted and murdered by Jews.
And so those were saints that they had in the Middle Ages.
Unfortunately, there was a lot of anti-Semitism in the past.
Martin of Tours?
Over time.
I think Martin of Tours is like that.
There's definitely, I think there was one from the UK, I think like in Lincoln.
Yeah, Little St. Hugh of Lincoln.
That was from the 1200s.
So like, you know, alleged martyrs, where today we would say they were probably not martyred for their faith.
And I think if you wanted to take an edge case, you could say we could still say they're a saint because a saint really is just anyone who's in heaven and an innocent child who dies.
And we have every reason to believe they were innocent and pious.
No, wait, no, it's not.
It's not Martin of Tours.
I had that wrong.
There's a Martin.
Saint Hugh of Lincoln is definitely one.
But there's a lot of these.
And so you could still say they're still presumably a saint.
There is no reason to believe that they would be damned.
But they're probably not, we probably don't want to memorialize them because the reason for them being memorialized as a martyr was mistaken.
But we should be honest.
Like it is a real concern.
There was, I forget his name.
There was kind of a Simon of Trent.
Simon of Trent.
I was totally.
There was a Mexican founder of a religious order.
I think was it Legionaries of Christ, I think, where the founder of that group, after he died, there was a lot of agitation.
Oh, he should be a saint.
And then it also quickly came out that he had like a mistress of some kind.
And I believe he was a priest.
And so that is a reason to be careful with these things.
That is why we are very lucky they did not rush down the Cesar Chavez route or the route for the sainthood route for a lot of other people.
And as for the rest, we put our trust in the Holy Spirit, I suppose.
So according to Grock, according to Grock, that the Catholic Church has never formally decanonized a saint.
I was going to say, I haven't heard it, but the Russian Orthodox Church has, though.
And then it mentions, I could check, I don't know.
No, I looked it up.
And it says that, yeah, it's talking about how different feast days and different individuals have been, you know, downgraded and sort of the celebration of that saint has been downgraded.
But, you know, and it's, it's, and in those cases, it's, it's really more due to things like, you know, not being able to verify certain things about their life.
Like St. Valentine is a classic example of this, where St. Valentine, we all know Valentine's Day, St. Valentine's Day, but, you know, details of the actual Valentine's life are very, very spotty.
It's just not very well documented the way that the church would normally like for a saint.
So obviously we all celebrate St. Valentine's Day, you know, sort of in the culture, but it's not really emphasized in the church.
So be careful who you canonize, Catholics.
Yeah, be careful.
I mean, but will you?
We should remind everyone: remember yes, we can, the Obama line?
Well, if you're yelling, you don't.
But anyone who's my age or older, they remember yes, we can.
That is from Cesar Chavez.
Si se puede.
That was kind of a literal.
Si se puede.
And oh, wait.
No, I was a little bit right, by the way, because St. Martin of Tours was considered for removal of his feast day, but ultimately did remain as his maintain his feast.
I knew there was something about Martin Tours, but he wasn't a child saint.
I don't know.
So, okay, maybe there's whether they can get rid of a saint.
Can the left get rid of a saint?
Well, they definitely tear down people while alive.
Actually, can we get the left can get rid of saints?
Here's the easier thing.
Can we get his name peeled off of elementary school and a high school, public high school?
We should demand that people, we should ask.
We're literally in Phoenix.
We should just demand that people go into the next city council meeting to demand this.
Yes, this should be easy.
Wait, so I was doing this on turning point action.
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Like, what was Blake?
Who was the wasn't there a whole like Ivy League thing where they were trying to it was trying to get rid of Columbus's name from different things?
And there was like that whole, we have to remove the name Columbus from everything.
And then, you know, anyone was a slaveholder, so we had to get rid of like anything that says, you know, named after Stonewall Jackson or Robert E. Lee.
But then I was pointing out that Yale University is named for Elihu Yale, who was himself a slave owner.
I was saying that anyone who has a YALE degree or like I was looking up CNN reporters who had like YALE in their in their Twitter profiles and saying that you know how, how dare, because they were saying you benefited from slavery right?
So anyone who has a YALE degree benefited from slavery.
That, if you wanted to.
I think actually we have a commenter here Ray Dev points out, and I think it's actually worth citing.
I got someone to take it out of her box.
What's going on is he no longer fits their narrative and like, why is this only coming out now?
Come on, so I think it's actually sorry Andrew, I think this gets back to what you were trying to point out.
So when Cesar Chavez was feeling the need of oh, we've got oppressed laborers in the US and so we need more socialism or whatever for them, and also, you know they're Hispanic, so we need another reason to like elevate new heroes in that way, then Cesar Chavez was useful to them.
But, as more people are aware of oh, he also didn't like immigration.
There were other ways where you could say he was not in step with modern Lib narratives of open borders and so on.
Okay, now we can chuck this guy as part of our great process of getting rid of everyone before the year 2020, but I don't know that we want to race to to pick up Caesar Chavez, the the story looks pretty bad.
I'm not picking him up, but if they pick him up i'm gonna smack him for it, because I I think you were kind of picking him up a little bit there.
I think you were.
I think you were considering it.
No, definitely not, no bit.
Maybe maybe 25 20 yeah, maybe 25.
I'm all right with that.
Um hey, we have 10 guys to go.
I have a question for you.
I have a question for you, if on x, they included a down vote, would you support it?
Would you give a thumbs up to a thumbs down?
I think it's already being rolled out, isn't it they?
They teased it.
That's what we're talking about.
They haven't hit it yet.
I think my favorite take is like we should have a dislike button, but it should be just like voting.
It should be restricted to male, to uh property owning males and then their wives who have had children.
Yep, didn't they get rid of the uh youtube video?
Um yeah, about five years ago they got rid of dislikes.
So the quote, yeah, but then, like all the all the pepes went in and were like that's stupid.
So the anons made up their made up like a script to bring, be able to bring it back.
Yeah, but it's not the same.
I mean, the reason they got rid of dislikes was actually that was like a great element of the backlash to Peak Woke was it started happening because you'd get these incredibly horrible film trailers, tv trailers, game trailers and they or a really awful political ad and they would just get annihilated.
90 to 10 or 99 to 1, that level of ratio, like it's the true ratio as opposed to the, the fake twitter ratio of like comments to retweets or or whatever people go for, and so I think it'd be good to have that.
Like you can just get a direct measure of how much people are liking it.
But on admittedly, on x, like x is full of bots, so everything's going to get botted really hard.
It's going to get botted.
But here's the problem.
But, but there's another potential up upgrade to this, where that they're looking, Where you can set, and I like this, region filters.
So you could potentially set it up so that your tweet could only go to certain regions and that you could only interact with certain people from certain parts of the world.
So like America would be a region?
Correct.
Nice.
Yeah, I think it's like goes by continent, maybe, or, you know, I don't know exactly how it's going to happen yet, but I'm all in.
See, here's my big thing.
And I've said this publicly a few times because that's to do with the payouts because people are totally gaming the payout system on X. What you should have to do is that if, so the payouts are not by impressions.
A lot of people get this wrong.
Payouts are by replies.
Elon said this.
Everyone said this early on.
But then I see people complaining and saying, oh, well, I got this many impressions, but it's not about that.
It's about replies.
And by the way, verified replies.
So if you've just got, like, if you're just a slop merchant that's just like, you know, churning out the purveying of the slopaganda all day long, that you're not necessarily going to get that unless you get the verified replies.
However, comma, what I would say is that you should set it so that the companies that are advertising, that those ad dollars should only be able to go to regions that they want them to go to.
So if you're, you know, if you're an American-based company, you want that, you want those ad dollars going to American accounts that are reaching an American audience, right?
Like that's how basic advertising works.
So is that the way that it works?
Because if you've got an account that's on another part of the world that's affecting people in another part of the world, China's got 1.8 billion people, India's got 1.8 billion, whatever it is, that, but that is just a waste of money then.
So that pot of money should stay within the audience and the creators who are part of that audience.
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Tyler, you were going to say something and Jack cut you off.
No, I can't remember what I was going to say.
I think I was going to say something along the lines of the dislikes.
I think you're going to have these scenarios too where, I mean, we've seen this where certain content is targeted by people.
So it's by bots, but also there's meat puppetry that happens, what they call meat puppetry online, where someone will go to, so if you're targeting Blake, for example.
A lot of people are.
It happens.
They'll go to like a Telegram channel and they'll say, Blake just posted this.
Everyone go dislike it.
And that's a, you know, that's a sometimes a meat puppetry type scenario.
I mean, a lot of the big streamers will do that.
They'll just say like, oh, just posted this on X. Everyone go like it.
Yeah, go like it or dislike somebody else's stuff.
I think the problem on X is if it's, I think it's actually, I think it's actually a positive not to see everyone that likes something.
I think it should be public who dislikes it.
So as long as I totally understand all the arguments for not being visible of who likes it because that, you know, but I do think it should be public if you dislike it.
I do actually find that kind of interesting when you post something spicy on X and only you get to see who liked it.
And you're like, oh, so-and-so liked that.
It's like very telling.
Gives you a little lay of the land.
But I think it's impactful.
Like if you do, if they do do the dislike button, I think it's important to see who's disliking it because if you say something that's positive and people are just disliking it just for disliking its sake to try to make you look bad.
So like a bad political, like so someone on the right.
So let's say like this oftentimes will happen, right?
Is I'll post something that's super generic and then like a bunch of trolls will just comment on my stuff about something that's totally like unrelated on my on my fee has nothing to do with what I'm actually talking about.
They probably agree with what I'm saying.
Yeah.
So if you have a dislike button that's a secret though, a bunch of those trolls will just dislike it to try to make you look bad, even though they actually might agree with it.
But if it's public, then they have to live with that they disagree with it.
I haven't had been on Facebook for six years at this point and I don't really miss it.
But I will say what I did like about Facebook when I was still on it is they had, they were up to what, like six different Reacts.
You could have like like, dislike, kind of heart eyes react and like a few others.
I don't know.
I'm kind of a sucker for like a wide range of emote reacts.
Like if you've ever been in a, if you've ever been in like a Slack group for work or whatever, you've got a million different emotes.
Discord's got a million.
I am like an emote response maximizer.
So I think we should go all in on this for X and X should have dozens, if not hundreds, perhaps thousands, millions of potential emote reacts.
Maybe even have AI.
You could ask the AI to generate a custom emote response using Grok.
You could say, I can only react to this with an image of like a gigantic bald eagle eating out the heart of Caesar Chavez.
And then it just generates that for you as an emote.
And then you post that and other people can react the same way.
Well, that's, I mean, you have like a, that's like a sticker pack.
Like you go on, like Telegram has sticker packs and Signal has sticker packs.
Like like that's that's kind of already used on social media, just not Twitter.
I don't want stickers.
I want AI generated art.
I demand this.
In fact, if Elon Musk doesn't do this, I am going to I'm going to be slightly annoyed and then probably forget I ever made this request.
Amazing.
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Well, Jack is going to be upset because we didn't get to his Val Kilmer thing, but Val Kilmer is being resurrected by AI.
Such a good story.
No, we nailed the, we got the, we got the Kathy, or sorry, Corey, Corey Richardson story in with, again, that's, that's Tyler Robinson's defense lawyer.
So just putting that out for everybody.
That potential, potential preview of things to come.
I dislike, I'm putting the down vote.
The Val Kilmer coming up as AI.
This was limited.
It's limited to just this show.
What's that?
Her client was found not guilty.
Excuse me.
Her client was found guilty in three hours.
Yeah.
Well, I will upvote that.
But wait, Val Kilmer, oh, Venezuela beat Team America.
That was the other topic we were going to get to.
Well, I think we're out of time on it.
So you just have to go up or down.
President Trump truthed after they won 51st state or statehood, something like that.
Do you want?
Oh, you're going, you're going thumbs down.
Yeah, I can't.
I can't.
See the humor of it, but no, just to warn everyone, wanting to make a state out of countries that have 30 million people who elected a socialist president.
No, no, there's a lot of people.
I don't want to get in 28 million people.
Like, we've seen the problems from the people who have moved from Venezuela to the U.S.
Now imagine the 28 million diehards who are like, no, I'm not going to leave Venezuela for the U.S.
No, no, they cannot come in.
This is one of the reasons that Greenland is such a good idea because the population is so low.
So, yes, is like, for example, is Cuba's strategic territory, obviously.
But the population's too high will cause too many problems.
Same with Canada.
Population is too high, too many migrants cause too many problems.
So vassalage, you know, there's certain things we could look at.
Greenland, on the other hand, 100% statehood.
Yeah.
Also, Greenland's bigger.
Like, if we got Greenland, we'd be bigger than Canada.
We'd be like approaching the size of Russia.
I think there's a lot of reason to get it.
Yeah, I think there's a lot of conservatives that are up in that part of the world that might move.
Like, guys, have you seen a Mercator projection?
Think about how huge we'd be on a Mercator projection.
Yeah, Venezuela's way too.
Can you imagine the illegal immigration into Venezuela?
Illegal immigration into Venezuela?
It would be insane.
Every Columbia.
I know Alaska and Hawaii kind of break this rule, but I do think you should have to be connected to the lower 48, generally speaking.
No, no.
Alaska, fine, whatever.
I'm actually the exact opposite in that America's shape.
The 48-state shape is actually a very good shape.
Like, it's very iconic looking.
It's got the right amount of smooth and jagged edges and all of that.
Like, it's a good shape.
So, like, when we see those maps where if we added Alberta, America would look stupid in silhouette if we added Alberta.
We'd have this big dongle on the end of it.
It would be awful.
I would like.
We really have to think about these things, guys.
Wait, but Tyler, what about Tyler?
What about the, well, we already have Florida.
What about the, you know, what about our plan for Arizona to get its beach?
Take it.
See that?
That little strip.
See, that wouldn't add that much onto the map.
So it really wouldn't change.
You could actually just drop.
I call that the teat.
That's an Arizona T.
It goes.
If you went straight across the southern border of Arizona all the way to the water, you could pretty much get it straight across the water.
So you really wouldn't notice that much.
So you could get some pretty aesthetic ends.
And I actually think that Arizona's border will have to extend all of the borders down more.
No, but it doesn't extend.
The southern border of Arizona already is flat all the way across.
They can go straight to water.
It goes up just slightly to dodge the water.
It's stupid.
It makes no sense.
Yeah, you're right.
No, it makes you know that we were.
It makes no sense why we're statistically upset about this.
Did you know that President Polk's original demand was for all of Baja and like a few more states?
Polk's demand was all the way down to past Durango?
It was basically like you would have gotten like Chihuahua, Sonora, like those almost all totally.
And then you get all of Baja.
No, but then you would also get what's the place where Ted Cruz went on vacation that everyone got upset about?
Cancun.
Cancun.
You get Cancun?
No, I don't want the other side.
Yeah, no, but Polkan.
I don't want the Yucatan.
No, but Polk wanted the Yucatan.
No, we don't need any of that nonsense.
No, but Polk just wanted the desert, and we should have got the desert.
No, Polk wanted the Yucatan.
But the Yucatan is like.
He wanted the jungle.
I don't want the jungle.
He wanted the jungle.
He had a little jungle feature.
Yeah, there's some interesting.
No, it's not just jungle, though.
That's the thing.
This would totally derail this, but they've used new LIDAR sensors to do some almost infrared style mapping of the jungle.
And there's all these ancient Mayan cities in there and stuff.
Okay, here's the problem.
If we absorbed the ancient Mayan temples, we would inherit the ancient Mayan curse, and that would curse the United States.
That's why most of the time, we would inherit the modern Mayans that would vote against us.
Like Cesar Chavez.
Yes.
And there we are, full circle.
We've done it, folks.
We always take us home.
Ladies and gentlemen, as always, go out there and commit more thought crime.
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