What separates a martyr like Charlie from an Islamic jihadist, or someone like Alex Pretti? Pastor Andrew Sedra visits the set all the way from the "socialist gay Islamic state" of Sydney, Australia, to warn of the "Red-Green" Marxist/Muslim alliance of convenience that Charlie had become so concerned with in the final months of his life. Plus, a collection of four Turning Point and Club America chapter heads explain how ICE protests are being received on campus and what midterm issues motivate them the most. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Pastor Andrew Sedra, you are lead pastor of Echo Church in Sydney, Australia.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The socialist gay Islamic state on the other side of the world.
So that's my first question.
Is Australia fake and gay?
It is very gay, very liberal, very nice.
We have very good coffee down there.
Beautiful weather, beautiful beaches.
Yeah, beautiful people and a beautiful culture.
And you've got the Australian Open happening right now.
And that's the saddest thing about it, though, is if you take Australia, you could say this big country is basically perfect.
It's not overpopulated.
It has endless natural resources.
Everyone can live like a happily ever off to Ireland.
But then they thought, how could we mess this up?
Why don't we, well, we're going to talk about that here.
Why don't we import problems?
Well, we have.
Listen, we've got whatever problems Australia has, maybe not proportionally per capita, but we have just as many and millions more.
So I want to start with a provocative question here, though, because you are a pastor, and we will get to Australia in just a second.
But the left is turning Alex Predi and Renee Goode.
You're aware of these stories, into martyrs.
Yeah.
I believe Charlie is a martyr.
He's a Christian martyr.
He's a freedom of speech martyr, an American martyr.
What is the difference between, let's say, an activist that does something stupid, gets himselves into a situation, maybe the cops, maybe it wasn't the best shot.
I'm willing to concede that ground.
But they obviously were provoking and they were obstructing law enforcement.
What's the difference between a martyr and a jihadist?
The reality is a jihadist dies for the sake of his political agenda.
And look, Charlie Kirk died for faith, family, freedom.
It was very clear boundaries and reality.
He didn't die trying to stop a police.
He didn't die trying to shoot a police.
He didn't try to obstruct law, force, and order.
He died for faith.
He was literally proclaiming his faith a few minutes before about the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
He died for freedom.
You could clearly see the shirt.
He literally got shot while speaking and he died for family.
That's kind of the most controversial.
But the problem is we have at the moment because people have lost their moral conscience.
We are putting all things together and creating all the things without actually realizing what did the actual person die for.
We need to actually understand.
And they died for believing the world is this big, happy, safe space where there's no nations, there's no boundaries, there's no borders, which if you're a Christian, you can't really believe that.
We do believe in boundary nations.
So we really have to look at the cause and the because of the martyrdom in order to understand, and more than anything, what was happening the moment they got murdered.
Charlie Kirk was literally speaking in a microphone, trying to debate his ideas.
Those people are doing crazy things, creating complexity in an already volatile space.
So we do need to teach people to gain the moral conscience because you saw even with George Floyd.
Like George Floyd was a criminal committing a crime.
He died in the process of committing a crime.
How do you put Charlie and George Floyd, all the people that were like Black Lives Matter, but it was very controversial for them to speak about Charlie Kirk's death?
It makes you wonder it's like people need to really recalibrate the moral conscience and definitions in order to realize what is a martyr and what is a jihadist.
And we have now the gay jihadist, the immigration jihadist, the Islamic, we have every type of jihadist now.
And by the way, just because the reason I framed it that way, for people who aren't familiar with your background, is you specialize in calling out the dangers of Islam.
So give your backstory and why that is a central message for you.
Yeah, so I grew up in the Islamic world of Egypt under soft Sharia law.
So Sharia law is a thing.
It's in every single Islamic state in the whole entire world, the 54 of them, they have Sharia law.
So unlike what conservatives will tell you, Sharia law is a conspiracy.
I wish it was.
It's not.
That's why literally my family escaped the Islamic world of Egypt because of apostasy laws and because of blasphemy laws.
True story.
I visited Egypt and I found a book in a bookstore in Luxor.
And it was some professor in Egypt.
It was very beautiful.
And a professor argued, it was a book he wrote arguing that Egypt showed the model way for Christians and Muslims to coexist.
But I guess you probably wouldn't agree with him, would you?
Coexist, coexist.
Well, when Islam says peace, they mean war.
When they say equality, they mean Islamic supremacy.
When Islam says freedom, they mean tyranny.
That's why them and the left, they're like the best buddies to get married.
You know, Queen's for Palestine, gays for Gaza, or you can see now the Red-Green Alliance.
It's perfect because both of them use language to not communicate, but to manipulate.
So they're going to use your language, your vocabulary, your ideology.
Like, for example, this is one of the most controversial things.
People say American Muslim.
As someone who escaped the Islamic world, saying American Muslim is an oxymoron.
It's like saying trans women are women, or it's like saying men can get pregnant.
America is about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Islam is about death, tyranny, and jihad.
That is the theological.
And conquering.
And conquering.
Which is, I guess, jihad.
So the big question I think we have at the moment coming from the Middle East, so I escaped Islam to the Western world to come here to find them rising, taking over, and running a propaganda campaign.
Islam means peace.
I'm like, what?
Then why am I here to begin with?
And I think this is kind of my warning to America, particularly the conservatives that are unable to actually understand what's happening in the Islamic world.
I always tell Americans, America is an exceptional country.
But make sure American exceptionalism doesn't become American narcissism, where you look at Israel or the Middle East or all the Islamic world through the lens of Christendom.
You have to look at Islam through the lens of Islam, not project your American lovey-dovey like George Bush did.
We're going to free Iraq.
I'm like, dude, Muslims don't want freedom in Iraq.
The problem, yeah, you want their freedom.
They don't want them.
So even if you remove whatever Islamic secular dictator, they're going to vote for a worse dictator.
Yeah.
Well, this is this idea of Tabila Rasa, right?
Where all of humanity are blank slates.
Their culture that they were steeped in as a kid no longer matters.
We can make them lovers of democracy.
We can spread democracy.
And the lesson of the 21st century is that that is a giant, huge propaganda lie.
You were being gaslit to think that people, their cultures and their religions do not matter, that they can be assimilated into a Western frame of reference and a frame of mind.
No, and this is actually, I would say, I'm still working this out, but you know, Charlie, I think, had it completely worked out.
The West is Christendom.
The West is Christendom.
So, when you look at who you want to come into your country, if you are a Western nation, even if you are not a believer, even if you hate Christianity, you are blessed by the culture of Christianity, by our laws, by the customs, by the turns of phrases, by our language, by everything about this culture that you love is undergirded by a Christian heritage.
And so, please.
And freedom is fundamentally a Christian concept.
It's not a gay concept.
It's not a liberal concept.
It's not an American concept.
It's fundamentally a Christian concept.
The Bible said, and you'll know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
There is no coincidence why America and the Western world are the only nations with that dictatorship.
The Buddhist world is not free.
The Islamic world is not free.
The pagan world is not free.
The communist, godless, government-worshipping world is not free.
America, you have to understand what makes you is Christendom.
So, the problem we have at the moment, we are importing people from the Islamic world that believe in Quran, Sharia law, and no matter how moderate of a Muslim you are, you still don't believe in freedom.
So, Egypt is a very moderate Muslim country.
Like, you don't just get killed on the street.
But we have apostasy laws which are designed.
If a Muslim becomes a Christian, they go to jail for five to eight years.
That's also in Qatar.
That's also in Saudi Arabia.
Saudi Arabia will actually be a faith.
But a Christian can become a Muslim easily.
Exactly, because it's all about Islamic supremacy.
When Islam say freedom, they mean tyranny.
When they say equality, they love to use that word, he Ilan Omar and the Somalian crowd, 99.999% Muslim, they mean Islamic supremacy.
So, no matter where you go in the whole entire world, freedom is fundamentally a Christian concept.
Charlie Kirk nailed it.
Islam will be the sword that he literally posted that one day from before.
He slits the throat of the West.
And I do think America needs to re-recalibrate that so you don't lose land of the free and home of the brave.
It's so bizarre because you look at the Middle East and Islam is declining in some of those countries.
And then the fundamentalism is rising in the West.
And it just starts straight up feels like they've exported a lot of fundamentalists.
And you'll hear the worst preachers in London, not in Riyadh necessarily.
It looks like the man was charged for rushing Representative Ilhan Omar and took a syringe and sprayed her with apple cider.
I did get a kick out of the idea where we should have the federal government investigate this as an attack on a federal lawmaker and take it very seriously and see if anything else comes out.
But I suspect it's exactly what it looks like on the tenth.
I suspect.
And that's my favorite phrase.
Anyway, but we have a great clip.
We were just talking about how the West is Christendom.
Basically, everyone in the West is a Christian, even the atheists.
And if they don't realize it or they don't like it, but Charlie has a great clip on this.
Let's play 469.
The spiritual battle is coming to the West.
And the enemies are wokeism or Marxism combining with Islamism to go after what we call the American way of life.
And the American way of life is very simple.
I want to be able to get married, buy a home, have kids, allow them to ride their bike till the sun goes down, send them to a good school, have a low-crime neighborhood, not to have my kid be taught the lesbian, gay, transgender garbage in their school.
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While also, while also not having them have to hear the Muslim call to prayer five times a day, that's important.
We want the American way of life, which is, by the way, Christendom.
He said it Christendom like that.
Wow, he really had to work in on that.
No, it was so prophetic.
I know, I know.
And, you know, you look, you've got to look back at the last days of Charlie Kirk and realize that I believe, you know, God numbers our days.
So God knew, even though we're all still adjusting to this brave new world, but God knew.
And I just, I know that God was speaking to him.
And I know that God was raising almost like the final battle lines of probably the rest of this century.
That's what I believe.
It was incredible to see how much he grew over time, but even just in those last three months, what he was shifting and what he was focusing on, what he wanted to say, what he made sure he said when he got the opportunity to do it.
It was affordability.
Affordability for the next generation, realizing that the gains that we had in 2024 were not set up.
It's such a long view of the attitude on things.
Step away from the day-to-day politics, which is a grind, which is annoying, which is distractions, and say this is the stuff that's going to matter in 20 years, in 50 years, in a thousand years.
Yeah.
And you can see that clearly in New York, the Marxist-Islamic Alliance, the Socialist Jihadist Alliance, the biggest existential threats to America is socialism and Islam.
Islam is because of immigration and socialism because of the lack of affordability of homes.
We're seeing that across Australia.
And also immigration.
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So this concept that, you know, like I said, God numbers our days.
God knew, and I believe God was speaking to Charlie, and Charlie was focusing on the rise of Islam, and you mentioned that haunting tweet where he says, you know, Islam is...
That was the day before the assassination.
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It was a prophetic picture of what has yet to happen.
Crazy.
Secondly, he was talking about this fork in the road.
Mangioneism and Mamdaniism versus MAGA, MAGA, right?
And so please expound on that because you see this in Australia as well.
It's happening.
The socialist liberal godless left could not really shift and change the culture as they wish.
So they had to import the votes from the end of the world.
They found a perfect alliance between Islam and socialism, between violent Islam and godless leftism.
And that unholy alliance is the friend, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
We can clearly see Zuhram Bibtani is an Muslim who is quits for Palestine, who's gays for Gaza, where if you take those gays together, they will not be alive for very, very long.
But that alliance hinges on the reality.
Islam and godless leftism, it hates Christianity because it hates freedom.
It hates freedom, and that is the reason it hates America.
And it hates success.
It's so resentful at how great of a country America has been, how great the West has been.
And that's kind of, I think, the great thing that binds them together when they have so many rational reasons to hate each other.
It's this resentment-driven ideology.
Why does Islam despise the West?
Islam sees itself as a warrior religion.
It's founded in warfare.
Muhammad is a warrior.
The early Muslims are warriors.
And they win.
They win over and over.
Except they didn't in Europe.
Well, they didn't, but they made it.
They spread all over the world overnight.
You can understand how they would say, God must have done this because we conquered.
And then for the last 600 years, they've just been getting wrecked over and over again.
They fell behind.
So they're very upset about this.
And it's the same way that this is why they hate Israel so much.
Israel just beats them in every conflict ever.
Because they're just better at science and technology.
Yes.
Islam is a very better at science by technology and a better society.
They fight better.
Yeah, sorry, I'm into interaction.
And so that's the Islamic half.
And then you have the Marxist half, which is that it's that classic bio-Leninism thing.
It's a lot of people, they're resentful.
Why am I not in charge of things?
Why am I not super wealthy?
Why do I have to have a job and work?
It's this screaming rage of people who see a functional middle-class family and they can't handle it.
And they go off the deep end.
You know, it just occurred to me the humility of a capitalist system.
The humility that is willing to say, we are not going to try and engineer the results.
That we understand hierarchies are inevitable, right?
That we understand, you know, people born at the same position with the same parents are going to end up in different countries.
If you don't work, you don't eat.
As Winston Churchill said, socialism is a gospel of envy.
And I love Charlie's favorite four words, earn it.
Capitalism is the gospel of earn it.
If you don't work, you don't eat.
The Bible said a man who doesn't work and doesn't provide for his family, he's worse than an unbeliever.
But that's a problem.
People want results without work.
They want the fruit without the pathway.
So you end up with this very utopian gospel, the gospel of socialism.
And dude, you guys need to look at Australia because we're socialist.
We're socialists all the way.
So you don't need to visit.
The thing is about America, you don't need to trial stuff.
You already have Europe, you already have UK, you already have France, and you already have Sydney.
So Sydney, we're the second most expensive first world country state to live in in the whole entire world.
We're more expensive than Hong Kong.
So in Australia, we have 275 acres per person.
So it's a lot of land, as you said.
We are very resourceful.
We have uranium, we have cobalt, we have minerals, we have everything in the whole entire world that we literally have now.
A socialist government is literally sucking up the economy dry.
The average house is 13.5, the average wage.
So in order for you to buy a house in Australia, you need 30 years to save for that.
Why can't you?
I feel like Australia should be able to build houses.
It seems like they have space.
Socialism is ugly.
So the difference between us and America after World War II, we took the welfare state road.
America took the capitalism, free market, work hard, make it happen.
Wall Street Journal, New York, Paradox Green Office run by socialists now.
You guys took that hard work road.
We took the welfare state, big government socialism road, us in England.
And now we're at the end of it.
You can't build anything.
You can't do anything.
You can't buy a house.
The fuel here is everything in America is very cheap.
We get taxed 45% of the big topic here is affordability and inflation.
Hold on, we get taxed too, though, really bad.
No, but it's but it's then okay.
But if you're in California, then you might have another, if you're the top bracket, you might have another 13%.
So essentially.
And in America, I think that what there is really bad is the sense that your taxes go to services you 100% can't use.
So if you're in a huge portion of America, you pay a large amount of taxes for public schools, and the public schools are functionally unusable to you if you are a responsible parent.
And then you pay the double tax of often private schooling.
Yeah, well, by the way, that's beyond your income tax.
That is a property tax.
Property tax.
And then you have property tax on top of income taxes or state taxes to subsidize public transport that you feel is unsafe to use.
And then, never mind, all the you know, Infinity Somali daycares, Infinity Autism Center.
Wait, we have stuff all over Australia.
Everything is for free.
It's not.
This is a reality, and that's where Christendom provides the framework.
If God asks people for 10% of their income, how dare the government ask for 30 to 50%?
This is why the more America drives away from Christendom, the more taxation you will have.
Godlessness produces atheism.
Atheism produces Darwinism.
Darwinism in politics becomes socialism because you need to help the little monkey that can't help himself because the big guy, the big corporate guy, is the lion that's controlling the jungle.
So we kind of need to make the system equitable.
So the reality is, the more America goes away from church, the more taxation you're going to have.
And the more governmental, unethical, immoral spending.
And we're watching that in Australia.
The less church attendance, our church attends Australia, it's 5%.
In America, 30%.
The less people go to church, the more taxes we get.
There is a correlation between socialism and atheism, Christianity and low taxation, because in Christianity, we believe in self-government, individual liberty.
It's your money.
If you don't work, you don't eat.
We believe that we want families to own homes.
We want young people to build wealth.
The Bible said a godly person leaves inheritance for the generation.
We don't want to tax people's wealth.
We want families that work hard to build their wealth, pass the legacy from generation to generation.
So the reality is we need a recalibration of our economical philosophical system to realize if God asks for 10%, I believe anything beyond 10% from government is theft.
I totally agree.
I totally agree.
And I think what we've seen, especially with the Somali fraud rings, is that the more you bloat your government, the more you grow it, the more bad actors are going to come in and they're going to bilk you.
The graft will just grow and increase.
And I mean, I completely agree with the less churched, the more socialist.
It's a complete correlation.
By the way, the less church, the less children, the less marriages, the less, you know, businesses, candidly.
So I'm with you 100%.
So I wanted to keep you just a little bit longer here, Andrew, because, you know, Pastor Andrew Sedra, by the way, pastor out of Sydney, which is really, really fun.
You guys close with Charlie.
Iran, tell us what you know about Iran because there's, I mean, we're hearing reports that there's like tens and tens of thousands of dead protesters.
Yeah, so Iran is a very interesting case study.
And I think America needs to watch it very closely because you had the gay socialist communist alliance in 1979 mixed with Islam.
So you literally had the Zahra Mandani moment.
So that was 1979.
You had the very weak president, Jimmy Carter, who ended up supporting the revolution.
And before you know it, Iran went from a secular gay state like New York to a Muslim state.
So Iran, it's one of those very sad, horrific cases of a reasonably free, prosperous nation falling into Islamic jihad only 50 years ago.
Now, Iran, it's again, it's different from the Middle East because it has been Muslim only for 50 years.
So Islam is there by power, top down, but at the bottom, they're not fully there yet.
So it's different to Egypt.
Egypt became Muslim in 600 AD, so it has been Muslim for 1400 years.
So 70 to 80 people in Egypt want Sharia law.
So you want to, if George Bush wants to free Egypt, people are not interested.
It's like when you gave Gazan the freedoms to vote and they voted for Hamas.
It's like, what the heck?
That was the first and last election they ever had.
So Iran is in that.
It's a very technical spot.
It's very strategic from a world P of E because if it becomes more free, you kind of have more power in that region.
China is very connected to Iran.
It really is the axis that hold the power across the region.
So I think it's a very complicated one.
I would love Iran to be free, but you got the Islamic jihadist, you got the communist, the communist regime somewhere there.
Like if you tomorrow kill that guy, the main guy, and you destabilize the region, we don't actually know who's going to rise.
But then you also have the underground church, which is growing.
And it is.
By the way, I just spent time with a pastor that's doing street evangelism there.
And he said after Charlie died, it's like they're all lions.
They were so bold, like lions going out in the street in Iran.
And we have one minute left, and we got to switch over.
I just wanted to give you a time.
Yeah, so you got that mixed mixed with the current young people revolting.
They want freedom.
Again, Americans, you're building mosques in New York and Florida and in Texas.
Look what's happening over there.
That Islamic dictator is killing thousands of people.
And you need to understand, it's cold blood.
People have been protesting free Palestine, free Palestine, free, free Palestine.
I'm like, dude, Iran has killed at least the same people, not in war against their citizens in three weeks.
And to be conservative, 10K.
It's probably way more than that.
But I think Iran is a warning to America of we need to deal with Islam and socialism because it was 1979.
It's not the ancient world.
And secondary quickly, yeah, we need to pray for Iran.
It breaks my heart coming from that world, watching people fight for the freedom.
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We have Haley Ron, Canyon Del Pro, Club American President.
Emma Arms, University of Tennessee, Knoxville president.
Edward, I'm going to say this wrong, Bokey, I believe, Minnesota Connection Academy and Inver Hills Community College, and Caroline Maddox, University of Georgia president.
Welcome to the show to our students.
Hello there.
Hey, thank you.
Hi, how's it going?
It's going great.
So listen, we like to do these segments from time to time because hearing from students is really important.
Get your perspective on where you're at, what you're thinking, what you're seeing.
So I'm going to start with Edward.
This is Minnesota Connection Academy and Inver Hills Community College.
You know, a lot of the news right now is about ICE.
It's about DHS, Minneapolis, Minnesota.
Tell me what your thoughts are on, you know, it would be Alex Predi.
So he's packing firearm.
He initiates an altercation, a confrontation of some sorts with law enforcement.
Do you think that's a good idea?
What are kids saying?
What are you thinking?
Well, thank you, Andrew, for having me on.
I really appreciate it.
And I appreciate the question.
Simple answer.
It's a terrible idea to start an altercation with a firearm on you.
I recently turned 18.
I've been carrying every day since my birthday.
And I am never going to pick a fight with law enforcement with my firearm on me.
It's a terrible idea in the first place because these people are the good guys.
They are the ones preserving the cohesion of our society and upholding law and order.
And those are not the people that you should be starting an altercation with.
It's going to be deratory to the cohesion of our republic.
But then you add to that the betrayal of your Second Amendment liberties by putting law enforcement in a situation where they have to treat you as a greater threat, given you have a firearm and you're attempting to, and actually creating an escalated physical altercation.
It's a terrible idea all around, and I was disappointed to see that.
Alex Predi absolutely has a Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms and a First Amendment right to peacefully assemble.
And you can exercise both those rights together.
But he betrayed those liberties by starting an altercation with those law enforcement officers.
Thank you.
So I want to throw a question here to Haley.
First of all, thank you for coming on.
I know you have to be, it can be very nerve-wracking because you're the high schooler here.
So you're at Canyon del Oro in the Tucson, in Tucson, the Tucson area.
And I'm told you've been seeing anti-ICE walkouts in your, is it in your school itself, you can tell me?
And then that there's been, I guess, just describe the environment in a high school setting right now regarding ICE, regarding walkouts, regarding immigration generally.
Yeah, so our school personally has not had a walkout yet, but there's definitely, like in a lot of other schools, those have happened just around Tucson and Arizona themselves.
And then especially at my school, CDO, we just got Club America approved and it's been a big issue at school and everything.
Just things are super heightened.
And I think a big issue right now, just with high school students, is a lot of it, people are trying to frame it as civic engagement when really it's more a lot of what they're doing is just activism without any understanding.
So a lot of people are seeing this Club America, this Instagram post that we posted, just welcoming a new club, letting people be aware that this is happening.
And just the amount of just rude, uneducated hate comments, DMs I've gotten, just the gossip around school of what's going on.
It's these people haven't even given it a chance.
They don't even know really what this is about.
We haven't even had our first meeting yet.
And all these people are just giving so much hate and they just don't even really, most of them are not even educated.
They don't even know what's going on.
And so I think that's just been a big issue is a lot of just teachers and staff as well just kind of empowering these students, framing it, manipulating it as like civic engagement.
When really, I just think it's just activism without any understanding.
So is it just, is there any, is the school just overtly endorsing this?
Are the teachers all overtly endorsing it?
What's the, I guess for lack of a better term, what's the propaganda environment like within your school?
Yeah, so I definitely, a lot of issues that even came with starting Club America was actually through the teachers.
There were a lot of teachers who I had conversations with that just were not on board with this and are telling our students just that this is not, this is like a hateful thing that's going on.
It's not something that we should be having.
So a lot of it definitely starts with our staff and starts with our teachers and just not even giving us as students our own voice and our own opinion, but just shutting it down because they're in a position of authority.
And a lot of students like us, we rely on those teachers for grades and we have future ahead of us for college.
So we really don't want to upset the people who are kind of hold that authority over us.
So I think a lot of students are just following what the staff, what authority is telling us.
And so, yeah, just mainly with the staff just not allowing us, just thinking it's a terrible thing.
I know Tucson Unified School District even just sent out a message, the superintendent, saying that they may have to cancel school tomorrow because too many teachers are calling out for this protest against ICE.
Just things like that, where it's like, really, we have no control over what's going on because they hold the position.
They hold the authority at our schools.
Haley, I'm so, you know, I'm bummed out to hear that.
I'm sad for you, but I'm proud of you as well.
I'm very proud of you.
So keep up the good fight and keep your courage.
But I want to throw it to Pastor Andrew Cedric.
Maybe just give her a word of encouragement as they're facing this pushback.
You guys are amazing.
You guys are fighting the good fight.
You guys are leading by conviction and courage, just like Charlie Kirk.
We'll live in a moment of time where the left doesn't multiply in the bedroom.
They multiply in the classroom, as they always do.
And it is very encouraging watching you guys stand for your faith, stand for your freedom, and actually be like Daniel Shadrach, Michigan, and Bendigo.
Have faith in the midst of a culture where young people are fundamentally indoctrinated.
Good job.
You guys are going to be very amazing leaders that would change the world.
The fact that you're able to go against the grain, not go with the next social justice hype, it means that you have the potential and the anointing and the gift and the character to lead this nation to a very, very, very great place.
So I want to encourage you.
And I do think we need to kind of, we need an investigation across the West to the indoctrination of young people.
I totally agree.
Because it's doesn't make sense.
We've observed, you know, in the wake of Charlie's assassination, and we've seen it now, some comments made about Stephen Miller, about ICE agents.
It's public school teachers and nurses and sometimes doctors.
I don't know what it is, but these problems.
There's two professions.
There's just, yeah, you might just be a sheer numbers game.
Certainly.
The liberal empathy, nurturing of womenized type of roles, going in the wrong direction to think that your kid is their kid.
It's like, I want my kid to learn math and science, not gay agenda, immigration, and politics.
And that's why I think Charlie was murdered because he was literally changing the mind of those young people.
I want his agenda.
I want to loop in our other two chapter heads here.
I believe they're both chapter heads.
I don't know.
So Caroline or Emma here, either of you can take this.
You guys are on college campuses.
We saw last year there was a big swing of young people more towards sympathy towards Amega, towards President Trump, towards the message Charlie was selling.
We also see some evidence in the polls there might be a swing back.
They're very mercurial.
And so either of you can take this.
What is the environment you're seeing on campus, both overall and within more conservative spaces?
How are those students reacting to it?
Do they seem braver than you might have expected?
Are they getting intimidated like they might have been a few years ago?
I don't think there's a lot of intimidation here in Tennessee.
Luckily enough, we are a primarily conservative campus at the University of Tennessee, and most of Tennessee also is red throughout.
We don't see ICE officers being shot in Nashville.
We're actually seeing dropping numbers of murders in Memphis.
And that's mainly because we are a state that's not a sanctuary state.
We're not accepting migrants from illegal migrants to stay and exist in our state illegally.
So the students, however, have overwhelmingly let me know that they do not support having illegals in our country.
They are fully in support of ICE.
We do sometimes see some students who sort of stay behind the screen that would promote, you know, attacking ICE, but we haven't seen anything in Knoxville or the greater Tennessee area that would prove that.
And it's so Caroline as well, right?
University of Georgia.
So we've got Knoxville and Georgia.
I love it.
Athens is a little bit of a different scene right now.
I think we're seeing a lot of walkouts from classes, a lot of protests in the downtown area.
Students are not taking well to that scene in Minneapolis right now at all.
We have a lot of support for ICE as a club in general, but outside of the club, there's not a lot of support for ICE on this campus at all.
So what messages are they hearing?
Where are they getting this information?
Maybe just fill in some of the gaps there.
What's influencing these people?
It seems like most of the information is coming from misinformation on social media.
They see the clip video.
They don't see the full video.
They see kind of what they want to see instead of actually seeing and learning and educating themselves and doing the research.
I think we've also painted this picture of ICE for them or other people have as this super evil organization that's ripping children from their homes and ripping families apart.
And that's just not the case.
And I think we really have to do a better job of educating people on what ICE actually is and what they're actually doing.
But I mean, the scene here is really discouraging, but I would say there's so much support on campus for Charlie's legacy.
And a lot of people have really started to want to get involved after the passing of Charlie Kerr.
And it's truly inspiring.
And there's a lot of work here to do, but I'm really glad to be at the forefront of it and really blessed.
Let's go around the horn really quick.
I want to start back with you, Edward.
And just if, okay, we've got, this is a midterm year.
So, you know, I'm going to talk politics, but this is your personal opinion.
This is not C3 stuff, but personal opinion.
So you're on campus.
If you had a word for the administration heading into the midterms or candidates that are running, what are young kids, what do they care about on your campus?
What could the conservative movement do better right now?
Awesome.
Well, thank you for the question.
I think from what I've seen and the people that I'm associating with, it goes back to James Carville.
It's the economy stupid.
We want to make sure that the economy is strong going into midterms.
And then that's pretty much the biggest issue going into midterms that students want to make sure.
It's jobs when you graduate kind of thing, internships, opportunities, feeling like your degree is going to matter kind of.
There's some worry about the AI bubble and the potential for greater inflation moving into midterms.
So if we could put some assurance surrounding the Federal Reserve and taxation and making sure that inflation is going to remain low, those are the core points that students on campus uh in Minnesota that i've interacted with are worrying about right now.
Haley, what about your?
You, a high school student?
What's uh going into the midterms what?
What's the vibe?
Yeah um, I wouldn't even say really that a lot of our students are even educated enough to really care.
I think a lot of the um things that they're talking about are just like things that they're just hearing on the internet.
But I would say, right now um, in high school especially, is just immigration, like what we've been seeing recently, and just how a bunch of us younger students, who may not be as educated, are just rejecting law enforcement and um, I guess how we can kind of push back on that and how we can be educated on um.
You know that we can be in support of legal immigration and then also recognize that fighting against law enforcement is not the right thing to do and that interfering with them doing their jobs um is only gonna create this chaos that we're seeing and that really, this um, these shootings that are happening um are not just one-sided and that something, something is going on behind the scenes to kind of affect what's going on in the immigration.
Yeah, that's a good insight.
That's a really good insight.
Um so Caroline, you're at the University OF Georgia and you said there's all these like walkouts and a lot of anti-ice energy.
I mean, do they remember Lake And Riley at the University OF Georgia?
Is she still some person that people are talking about there?
Because I wonder how they square that circle or circle.
That's exactly the question a lot of us are asking right now at turning point.
Um, they're actually organizing a 5k with some other groups on campus.
Um, I think it's called run for your life.
Um, it's going to be an awesome event.
I believe it's on february 21st, but it'll definitely be on our socials.
Um, if anyone's interested in that.
Um yeah I, I really don't know.
I'm in shock also.
I mean, I don't know how we go from seeing a girl, basically my age, be viciously murdered by an illegal immigrant in our own city and then now we're supporting people doing this kind of thing to ice agents who are just trying to protect our country and protect citizens of America and I think, especially as a woman, seeing that happen to someone my age.
It's frightening and I think we should be in support of people who want to keep us safe from that kind of thing, and I really think that our campus is just in a real mess and we have a lot of work to do still all right now.
Yeah you Emma you're, you're last.
What's the?
What is dominating the midterm vibes among young people in Knoxville?
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Yeah well, kind of, like Edward said, talking about the economy, but more specifically, affordability for housing and buying homes.
I'm actually graduating in the next semester and looking into the the near future.
It kind of seems impossible to achieve that American dream of being a homeowner.
Um, and I think that that's a deeper issue than a lot of people might uh realize on the surface, because you have all these young people in America who don't have uh, they don't own anything, they don't have stake in anything, and I think that makes it difficult to um really feel like you have ownership in your country, that you're an actual citizen of your, And to be proud of your country when you feel like everything is being taken by different, taken from your hands different ways.
I also think that that also impacts the family, the nuclear family.
You can't raise three kids in an apartment.
That's just not ideal.
So it does make it harder for people to start families, continue growing our country.
So it is a deeper issue than people realize.
Emma, I think that's great.
And I just wanted to say, if you're just graduating, you do have a little time to, you know, on the home buying and that starting.
But don't panic.
Yeah, don't panic yet.
But your concern is legitimate and it's well made.
President Trump just passed a very awesome bill of law a few days ago where he banned big corporations institutionally buying single family.
He's the inspiring of it, I think.
So that was, I'm looking from Australia.
I'm like, that's amazing.
That will free the market for young people to actually.
Well, and Charlie talked a lot about an economic moonshot for Gen Z, and that is build five, 10 million new homes, block institutional money, block foreign money, make sure that it's open to young people overwhelm the housing market, supply and demand.
Exactly.
Yeah, and I think all of these things are making, we're making good progress, but we're not there yet.
And I think these concerns that you guys are voicing are apt and they're really important.
It was stuff Charlie talked about, by the way.
Blake, I don't know if you have a follow-up here, but we've got a lot of people.
I wish we had a little more time because I'd love to poke more at that AI thing because I'm very fascinated by how young people relate to artificial intelligence.
You remember the last time we did one of these?
It was all about H-1Bs.
Do you guys talk about H-1Bs within the club or in the chapter?
For Minnesota specifically.
And at my chapter, I know that we still discuss that.
We still discuss the avenues of legal immigration.
Yeah.
What about the ladies in the panel?
Because last time it dominated our conversation.
I think we definitely have a mixed, there's mixed views on whether we should be having more or having less or just leaving it the same because there are pros and cons, of course, to both.
But I hear a lot of different things from different students.
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It just kind of depends.
Definitely a mix.
Yeah.
AI is going to be a different thing.
I think about that.
A friend of mine, he just said that kids at the campus he's at.
He works on a Christian ministry there, and he says they need AI to tell them what questions to ask in class.
And that concept had not occurred to me until I heard that, and it filled me with a lot of people.
I wish I had AI when I was in school.
That would have solved a lot of my problems.
The lack of critical thinking skills, though, that AI could give rise to is terrifying.
Which is why we need all of you guys.
We need to fight against groupthink on campus.
We made progress last year, but it roars back over and over again.
So we thank all of you for standing guard in the permanent vigil for liberty.
Yeah, thank you guys.
Thank you for making the time.
And as you hear more about walkouts as well, Haley, we want to hear about those because in Phoenix here, it's just, it's going crazy.
So not a good sign.
Not a good sign.
All right.
God bless you guys and stay safe and stay vigilant.
And we thank you for all of your great service at Turning Point Chapters across the country.
And Pastor Andrew Sedra, thank you for spending the whole hour with us.