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Jan. 21, 2026 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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The Donald Goes to Davos + Trump 2.0 at One Year
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All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
It is January 21st, 2026.
We are here in the studio in Phoenix.
Welcome, Blake.
One year.
One year.
One year anniversary.
We're actually going to have Sean Davis, co-founder and CEO of the Federalists, on in the second hour to look back at one year of President Trump's second term in office, 47.
These things race by, don't they?
Oh, man.
And everything that happened with Charlie just felt like it, like part of it fell into a bit of a black hole for us in here.
But there's a lot to talk about.
A year in review.
With Sean, we're actually going to have him review what's going on in Virginia.
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It portends ill.
Oh, Virginia's doomed.
That's what I'm telling all of my friends who are there.
Oh, it's terrible.
It's what I warned about.
Like, at least with a lot of other blue states, they can break it hard enough that you can leave.
But in Virginia, they can just suck up all of the money through the federal government.
They're worse than Somali pirates there in New York.
Oh, farwards.
Farwards.
I mean, by magnitudes.
And so, but the big news of the morning, of course, is President Trump gave his big speech at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, and made huge news.
So let's just start with the clip and then we're going to unpack this.
So President Trump made it very clear there's been this back and forth.
We want Greenland.
We'll buy it.
Actually, we're going to use force.
If you don't play ball.
A rough wooing.
And Blake was squirming the whole time, very uncomfortable with this.
Then at Davos, he made it clear we will not use force, but we still really want it.
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We never asked for anything and we never got anything.
We probably won't get anything unless I decide to use excessive strength and force where we would be, frankly, unstoppable.
But I won't do that.
Okay, now everyone's saying, oh, good.
That's probably the biggest statement I made because people thought I would use force.
But I don't have to use force.
I don't want to use force.
I won't use force.
All the United States is asking for is a place called Greenland.
All we're asking for is a place called Greenland.
All we're asking for.
Just 560,000 square miles.
No, listen, there's a guy named Josh Wolf on X. He's a partner at Lux Capital, founding chair, SciPrep.
Anyways, smart guy, got a lot of followers.
This article is getting a lot of traction.
And what he's doing is he's breaking down a classic Trump negotiation tactic.
That's why it's getting a lot of traction.
So I want to give attribution where it's due to this gentleman.
Again, his name is Josh Wolf.
And he says, you know, he's kind of observing that the press thinks it's a spectacle.
Europeans say it's a breaking with international norms and a rule-based order.
He calls that all a mirage, by the way, which I tend to agree.
There is a part of this where Trump is actually doing the math correctly, that NATO doesn't work without America.
That doesn't mean we want to mistreat our allies.
Trump is a saber-rattler.
He's a negotiator.
And I think he sees through a bunch of the rule-based order, which is really they get their way, America pays for it.
And I think people are sick of it.
And so what he says is this: quote, what is actually underway, it's not all the noise.
Listen to this, is supply chain annexation dressed in the costume of territorial ambition.
The target is not an island, it is two geological formations in southern Greenland.
And I'm going to pronounce these terribly, but Kevésefeld and Tanbreeze that contain the heavy rare-earth elements without which no advanced weapon system can be built.
Dysprosium, Teribium, names that mean nothing to the public, but everything to the Pentagon.
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China controls over 90% of global processing.
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The quote-unquote purchase of Greenland is not a land deal.
It's an attempt to break a chokehold.
That's one of the very key elements.
There's also the fact that Trump is now signaling to Canada that this is about building the Golden Dome.
And he's warning Kearney up in Canada, the great white north neighbor, saying, you know, why don't you watch your mouth when you're talking about these things and flirting with the CCP, Mr. Carney?
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Canada gets a lot of freebies from us, by the way.
They should be grateful also.
But they're not.
I watched your prime minister yesterday.
He wasn't so grateful.
They should be grateful to us.
Canada.
Canada lives because of the United States.
Remember that, Mark, the next time you make your statements?
A direct shot across the bow to it does.
It shows why this is a double-sided thing, I believe, because he's being very forceful.
He's being very assertive about America.
And I know that guy you were just reading and others like.
Josh Wolf.
Yeah, Josh Wolf.
They're very skeptical of that international order.
They say it's fake and all of that.
But a lot of it was, if it is fake, it was fakeness that did benefit the United States in a lot of ways, I think.
It was the presumption that nations would look to the United States, that they would orbit around us.
And we had to subsidize them a lot.
A lot.
But I think President Trump had a lot of success in basically saying, you guys are free riding too much.
You need to pony up more.
In fact, Denmark is a good example of that.
Denmark, I was checking this.
In 2015, Denmark was paying, I think, 1% of their GDP towards defense.
They were totally not Not spending money to defend things.
And during President Trump's first term, he says to Europe, NATO's an alliance.
It's not just us.
You guys have to point out.
And they tripled the amount they were spending on defense.
We have had some success getting these guys to spend more.
I think there's two points.
I think Josh Wolf makes some good points with the rare earth, the heavy rare earth minerals that China largely controls around the world, and that Greenland has apparently a lot of.
There's that point.
There's also the point that Trump wants to build the Golden Dome, which will protect Canada as well.
And if you look at a map that is, you know, I think we, yeah, this map, 331, if you see this map, if the U.S. acquires Greenland, if you, you know, because oftentimes we see those maps that are laid out sort of long ways as opposed to the globe where it's properly positioned, you see how far north of the lower 48 and how well positioned it is to defend against attacks that might come over the Arctic from Russia, from China,
where there are ICBM stations that could reach the U.S., that could reach Canada.
That position is very strategic in building a global dome.
And it was interesting in the speech, President Trump made this point.
He said, it's not just, you know, you got to understand it's a psychological difference.
Nobody wants to invest hundreds of billions of dollars in something that they're leasing that could go back to an original owner.
You know, so that part actually makes a lot of sense.
But if the U.S. controls those two fronts, Alaska and Greenland, the ability to defend the lower 48 becomes extraordinarily robust, especially from ICBM attacks coming over the Arctic.
So listen, there's a lot of stuff that makes sense here.
And it was interesting to me because you have been raising the alarm, Blake.
I think in a lot of ways, you're worried that we're alienating our most tried and true partners in Europe, which you acknowledge have a lot of problems.
I get that.
I'm not saying you're giving them a free ride here.
But it was interesting that your take was that his you actually appreciated the tone this morning.
Explain why you thought it was more medicine.
So as I said, I think the biggest risk here, as I've explained, is that they look at what the President Trump is doing.
And it's not just, oh, he's being assertive like he is before.
It's the sense, is he being unreliable?
Because, for example, with NATO, you can say, NATO, you need to spend more on your defense.
But if you're straight up saying, we are going to take territory from you abruptly, make this new demand, and if not, any number of things can happen.
At that point, you're basically saying this isn't a military alliance anymore.
This is a thing.
We can extort territory from you.
So I like him saying, okay, we're not going to attack you.
We're going to operate through the normal means.
We don't want, there's always that risk that President Trump will kind of drive your partners away so much they say, we're going to make partnerships with other people, if only because we just don't like you anymore.
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We have a very interesting video from Are you going to play the actor one or two?
No, no.
Well, if we feel like it, but we probably shouldn't spend a whole minute on a fake video.
So we have Mark Root or Ruta or however he says, Ruta.
And he is a senior official with NATO.
Yep.
And he's at Davos.
And he's kind of, I sympathize with him because you know he's clearly must be having a hard time.
He's a NATO realist.
He's a NATO realist.
But he did say something, which a lot of people are not happy about.
And he basically said, Donald Trump is right that Greenland is strategically important.
And I think he's got to make the case.
If you're not going to give it to him, you have to really up the defenses for it in a way that makes the security argument less credible.
Let's play clip 332.
We need to defend the Arctic.
We know that the sea lanes are opening up.
We know that China and Russia are increasingly active in the Arctic.
There are eight countries bordering on the Arctic.
Seven are a member of NATO.
That's Finland and Sweden and Norway and Denmark, Iceland, Canada, and the US.
And there's only one country bordering on the Arctic outside NATO, and that's Russia.
And I would argue there is a ninth country, which is China, which is increasingly active in the Arctic region.
So President Trump and other leaders are right.
We have to do more there.
We have to protect the Arctic against Russian and Chinese influence.
I've had this thought.
I feel like it's so frustrating.
The Europeans, they have to act a certain way because they just don't like Trump a lot.
And so, for example, this drama we had where they sent their troops up.
Did you follow this?
Yes.
It was so silly that the UK armor.
It was like they sent like five.
The best one was Germany, which sent 13 soldiers, but they didn't want to aggravate us by making it too military.
So what they did is they took a big military plane and they landed it in Denmark.
And then they put the troops onto a commercial flight and they flew them to Denmark on the commercial plane.
And they stayed there for two days.
They canceled a planned sightseeing trip because it was too cold.
And then they got on a commercial flight and they flew home.
And they did all this as an obvious gesture.
Oh, we're standing with Denmark against America.
I feel like they would create it.
President Trump loves wins.
If they really don't want to give away Denmark, what they should have just, or Greenland, they should have just said, President Trump is right.
Here, we're calling a meeting.
Here's the $5 billion, $10 billion, some big amount of money and like deployment of troops who are ready to do in the Arctic.
And we're going to pay for it.
We'll pay for America to expand their bases in the Arctic.
We'll pay for this golden dome base he wants to build.
There you go.
And then President Trump, he loves to tout wins.
He comes back.
He's like, I made this great deal.
We're expanding our bases in the Arctic.
And they're paying for all the...
We've seen how he does this.
President Trump loves making deals on things.
And it's so frustrating that they're not reacting that way.
And instead, we get both sides digging in their heels and we might get a renewed trade war out of this, potentially.
Yeah, I think today was a step back from that.
But, you know, what probably would make sense on your line of reasoning is you do it in sort of like a Guantanamo Bay-Cuba scenario where you, you know, if Charlie, or if this is what Charlie would say, at least I'm suspecting because Charlie went to Greenland, you know, this is going in the back of my head.
Charlie experienced firsthand all the love that the folks of Nuke had for President Trump.
I think Greenlanders want their independence.
They want to be able to vote on a referendum.
But the point is, you could give or sell portions of Greenland to the United States, almost in a Guantanamo Bay fashion, where we actually do own the land.
It can't be taken back.
And, you know, Denmark could retain ownership of the rest.
I don't think Trump would be happy with that because we do want to mine it.
We do want to take these rarer minerals out of it.
Healthcare Control and Greenland Independence 00:04:07
But in defense of a strong U.S. imperial economic military force, I just have to say I love it because Trump is calling BS on a lot of this stuff where Europe is weak.
They haven't grown.
You've got Germany that's de-industrialized itself over the last few years.
Energy prices are soaring.
They produce less energy than they did.
I think energy prices are up like 75% in Germany, and they produce 20% less than they did in 2017.
Huge, huge strategic mistake.
Meanwhile, President Trump's bringing in $17, $18 trillion of direct investment, foreign direct investment, businesses investing in the country.
We've got nuclear plants, the brand new ones that are a lot safer, a lot more efficient, smaller, building those all over the country, building new plants, building new factories.
GDPs could very well be over 5%.
We have a lot going for us, and we are investing a lot in our military.
All right, listen, I'd love to cut the debt.
I'd love to decrease spending.
Let's put those to the side.
Those are problems.
But there's a lot going for America that is not going for Europe, and Europe knows it.
America is strong.
It's aggressive.
It's robust.
It's muscular, especially under President Trump.
Europe is in malaise.
Europe is stagnant growth.
Europe has a migration problem that is not going away anytime soon.
They lack political will.
They're fighting a rise of right-wing populism and nationalism in their own countries, and they're distracted.
And they have a fertility problem.
So you've got all of these things.
And candidly, Europe knows that they can't fight America on this.
They can't even out-negotiate America on this.
Trump is right to call their bluff and say you would be nothing without us.
As a matter of fact, I think we have a clip that says just that, that NATO would be nothing.
And we asked for nothing.
He kind of mentioned that before.
But this is the truth of the situation.
I love that President Trump is calling it.
Here's another clip that I think is really important here, actually.
It sort of plays into it.
329.
Recent decades, it became conventional wisdom in Washington and European capitals that the only way to grow a modern Western economy was through ever-increasing government spending, unchecked mass migration, and endless foreign imports.
So why that plays in is that Trump has reversed the trend on those pieces.
We have reversed migration.
Europe has not in their weakness.
But you have to be careful.
For example, he says we've never asked for anything, but the Danes certainly remember they did send troops to Afghanistan.
43 of them died there.
That's a lot for a country of 5 million people.
And if you humiliate your friends, you won't have as many friends in the future.
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So, I believe we are still working on getting Jack Posobiec here, but I wanted to kind of, I think I'm going to set this up here with for Jack here.
Jack Posobiec Interview Setup 00:10:34
There's these two clips that just need to be juxtaposed side by side.
So, you've got this Finland president, Alexander Stubb, says Europe can defend itself unequivocally without the Americans.
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First is a direct answer to the question of this panel: can Europe defend itself?
My answer is unequivocally yes.
Without the Americans, without the Americans.
I mean, how?
Look.
But you're relying on them for these key elements.
How would you do it at scale and at duration and at intensity?
With an assumption that the United States would cut off completely any kind of work.
Well, if we look at the defense composure of Europe by and large in a country like Finland, the bottom line is that if you ask me the question, can the Finnish military defend itself against a Russian attack, the whole defense posture of the way in which you do it?
Yes, we can.
Then he gets asked about it later, and he says, oh, I love journalists.
That's not what I said.
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You've said earlier that Europe can defend itself without the Americans.
If it comes down to...
Not exact.
That's not a quote.
More or less.
More or less.
Let's go back to the transcript.
More or less.
More or less.
I love journalists.
See, I love this juxtaposition because it's a total tell.
They saber-rattle.
They play big.
They peacock.
They puff up their chest.
They say, oh, we don't need Trump.
We don't need the Americans.
They don't really mean that.
They don't really mean it because it's not true at all.
It's not true.
Though, I would say it's better for us, if we're interacting with them, we much more want them to start paying up, but still be basically reliant on us versus if they decide America's getting a little wacky.
They're taking land off of us.
We need to toughen up and also make a new alliance that's not with them or worse yet, with someone else.
Well, and that's the whole China threat that they're putting out there.
Email us your thoughts, freedom at charliekirk.com.
I want to hear what you think.
Is Trump playing too rough with the Europeans?
Not rough enough?
Do you think that they are bluffing in these entreaties, this flirtation with China?
I want to hear your thoughts.
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Blake will be reading those in the next segment.
Oh, yeah.
So freedom at charliekirk.com.
Want to hear what your thoughts are on Trump's tone, his presentation at Davos this morning.
But why those two clips I think are really interesting, Blake, is listen to, now, okay, I'm going to grain assault this one.
This comes from RT, which is state-run media with Putin.
So you got to trust the translation here.
But we'll play it.
We'll give you the translation.
But I think that Putin, when you think about it in terms of this Finnish president, makes a lot of sense here.
3.38.
What he says there is you'll see it will happen quickly soon.
They being the Europeans, the leaders, will all stand at the feet of the master, America, and will gently wag their tails.
Everything will fall into place.
You'll see.
So he's basically observing that they're playing tough now.
They're signaling strength in all of this because they don't like Trump.
They feel like they're getting bullied.
But Putin says they'll all fall in line.
Joining us now is Jack Pesobic.
He's live from Davos, Switzerland.
He's been providing some behind-the-scenes clips that have been really fascinating to watch.
Jack, we're talking about this dynamic between European elites, the leadership, and President Trump.
Obviously, there's tension, there's tension about Greenland, there's tension about NATO, NATO funding, there's flirtations with China.
Tell us what you're feeling and seeing in the room, this dynamic between Atlantic allies.
Yeah, Andrew, guys, that's exactly right.
And, you know, we're here, we're in the room.
I remember four years ago, my very first Davos calling into the Charlie Kirk show right after getting detained by the World Economic Forum police.
So, you know, here we are four years later.
We're inside the building.
They're in the room with President Trump.
And he and the U.S. team, they're still kind of going around here.
So he's holding those sideline meetings as we speak.
There's going to be a reception a little bit later.
But you're right.
There really is this sort of tension.
There's this sort of, you know, I would say even kind of a cynicism of some of the European leaders saying that, oh, Trump, he's so ridiculous.
This will never work.
This will never happen.
We can, you know, we can be rude to him.
But at the same time, you've come to understand that, and certainly in the room we saw this, there were a lot of people laughing at his jokes.
They were sort of rolling with the punches, rolling with the laughter.
And I think that this time around, given that he's been on the world stage for so many years, they've started to take that old Scott Adams phrase where they take him seriously, but they don't take him literally.
And what that means is that they're serious about his intentions, but they understand that a lot of what he's doing, he's going into his salesman pitch.
He's going into his arc.
He's saying things for effect over and over again.
And it seemed that at least in the room, a lot of people got that.
Yeah, it's very nicely mentioned that, Jack.
No joke, I was reading the other day, the members of the Norwegian Nobel Prize Committee, and one of them is this foreign policy blogger.
And he actually had a thing he wrote on the Greenland drama.
And he basically said, Trump is always in negotiation mode.
And that means he's always trying to keep people off balance.
He'll shock them by being really aggressive with what he says.
He'll consider any offer.
He's always ready to make a deal.
And it's just so disorienting compared to how a normal person is.
It shocks them.
And it kind of relies a bit on the old Nixon idea, the madman theory.
Part of his negotiation position is to basically be like, I'm super serious.
I'm ready to invade.
I've thrown out the brakes on my car.
I've thrown out the steering wheel.
Nothing can stop me.
And then, oh, he actually can just stop and make the deal very abruptly.
I completely agree.
This is what, again, this, we talked about this guy, Josh Wolf, Jack, who kind of, you know, he said this is classic Trump negotiation sequence.
It goes like this.
Signal acquisition, Denmark scoffs.
Mention force.
Denmark recoils.
Insist on force.
Loudly, repeatedly.
Denmark reaches peak indignation.
Others come to their side.
Then pivot.
A purchase offer that eliminates Denmark's entire national debt, $142 billion, and nearly doubles Greenland's GDP, $450 billion.
And suddenly the question is no longer, how dare you, but wait, how much?
What do you think, Jack?
I think that's exactly the path that I'm trying to see this.
And if anyone wants to know what this is called, it's literally called the art of the deal.
President Trump wrote a book about this about 40 years ago where he outlines that specific policy In great detail.
He says it's what he does every single time he's in a high-stakes negotiation.
I think it's really interesting that so many people either haven't actually read that book, haven't seen him do it a million times already, and that they still seem to fall for the same exact trick.
Now, one of the things that I did think was interesting, you know, coming at it from a military perspective as well, that he did talk about the need for Greenland, not just we've heard from the Arctic shipping routes, we've also heard it from the national security in terms of those sea lanes, but he also talked about ballistic missile defense and really talked about the Golden Dome, those intercontinental ballistic missiles, whether they're fired off from China, Russia, North Korea, even if Iran, if they were able to develop those long-range ballistic missiles, they would be flying them over the top,
targeting Washington, D.C., and they would inevitably fall within the territory of Greenland, making Greenland a key position, key point for the United States in any type of missile defense.
And I haven't really seen him use that phrasing and use that phraseology, put it all together on the world stage.
He kind of presaged it in an interview yesterday, but today was the really big one.
And I think that for anyone who's looking at it seriously, he makes some very solid military points there.
Yeah, no, I agree.
I think the ICBM argument is pretty strong.
And I loved him name-checking Carney, telling him to know his role, know his place.
I think that's important, actually.
There's another dynamic that's a little bit more on the domestic home front here, Jack.
You got Gavin Newsom wandering around.
He's calling Scott Besson smug.
Scott Besson had the line of the day, I think, hitting him back.
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I think it's very, very ironic that Governor Newsom, who strikes me as Patrick Bateman, meets Sparkle Beach Ken, may be the only Californian who knows less about economics than Kamala Harris.
He's here this week with his billionaire sugar daddy, Alex Soros.
I've seen you behind the scenes.
You've gotten iPhone video of Gavin Newsom.
What the heck is going on with this?
What does he think he's going to accomplish?
Is this just all about 2028 for him?
I think it is.
He's bird-dogging.
He's trying to get his name out there.
He wants people to put him in the same conversation as Trump.
He's trying to put himself on the same level as Mark Carney.
Trudokia is here as well.
Actually, Alex Soros just walked by a couple of minutes ago.
I saw him just kind of darting out the way before he could see me.
And funny enough, I actually went up to that interview where he was coming out here doing a gaggle.
I walked up, his press guy was trying to say, oh, no, Jack, no, not him, not Psovic.
I said, Alex, you know, guys, it'll be fine.
Let me in.
And I asked him a question.
Do you have any comment regarding Don Lemon and the agitators at the Minneapolis church up there when they were barging in?
He said he hadn't heard about it.
I explained the situation.
Once again, he said he hadn't heard about it.
So we'll see what kind of situation that is.
But I did very quickly, he caught my name and I saw his press guy sort of saying, oh, that's Jack Pesovic.
And I mentioned to him, I said, hey, hey, Governor Newsom, I was friends with Charlie.
And Gavin, you know, he kind of touched his heart for a second there.
And he said, wow, wow.
And, you know, I think that was a really, you know, real humanizing moment.
And I remember Charlie and he had had that incredible interview that they had done together.
So I thought maybe a little way to break the ice a little bit.
Jack Pesobic, God bless you, man.
Stay safe.
Keep getting those questions in with the world leaders.
We appreciate it, man.
Talk to you soon.
We'll do it.
Thanks, guys.
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