What will it take for the Trump Administration to win the all-important battle over ICE and mass deportations? Pollster Rich Baris lays out the current state of popular sentiment on immigration, and then he and Blake ask: Should ICE agents take the risk of removing their masks if it could make a difference with the "Rogan vote" next fall? Plus, the team discusses Chinese infiltration of America through birth tourism and a repulsive video by left-wing podcaster Jennifer Welch, who wants the left to "go after" MAGA figures. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Hour two is underway.
We're going to be talking about polling.
There's been some polling news, and it really gets to the heart of a bunch of questions that we have about foreign versus domestic focus of this administration, the economy, what's going on with ICE rates.
Here to help us unpack it is Rich Barris from Big Data Poll, the people's punt.
Welcome back to the show, my friend.
Thanks for having me back.
I appreciate it.
Absolutely.
Well, so you were early on this, where, and you highlighted this in some of your polling that voters, Trump's base, feel that there's perhaps maybe too much focus on foreign issues, whether that be Iran, Venezuela, Israel, Ukraine, not enough on domestic issues, meaning, you know, I guess the economy, affordability.
So we talked about that, I feel like a couple months ago now, Rich.
And now the Wall Street Journal is chiming in, and they had this big article that it's Trump's economy and voters are unhappy with it.
Wall Street Journal poll finds.
Go ahead and throw up 245.
Our friend Robert Barnes highlighted this on X.
I thought it was very telling.
What is Wall Street Journal now?
How come they have become alerted to the same dynamic that you were calling out months ago, Rich?
And CBS also polled it and released a poll this weekend.
Very similar.
I mean, it's our question wording almost verbatim.
Andrew, it only took them four months to catch up, like I told you, right?
This was a problem we identified months and months ago.
And actually, it's on Big Data Poll.
People can go check it out.
It's the White House focus tracker.
And this has never been done before, but I started to wonder why.
Why has this never been done?
Because it has long become a problem for presidents.
They'll lament after they get out of office that I had so much I wanted to do with the domestic agenda, but I got entangled with foreign stuff and it just overshadowed my presidency.
This has long been a complaint going back to Woodrow Wilson.
He had a big domestic agenda that got swallowed up by the Great War, of course.
Look, the president's job is, of course, one that is dealing.
They're almost the chief diplomat of the country, but it's about optics.
And this is, I think, particularly, this problem is particularly exacerbated with Donald Trump because he ran as America first president.
And he ran saying that, you know, for too long, our elites have put the needs of other nations and the needs of the blob and the needs of military industrial complex, you know, elitists ahead of the needs of the forgotten man and woman.
And they will not be forgotten any longer.
I mean, that's verbatim out of Donald Trump's mouth.
But he's just gallivanting with foreign entanglements day after day.
Well, so this is what's interesting.
We've got this image.
This is also from the Wall Street Journal poll.
And this is what I'm trying to reconcile here, Rich, because 232, if you could throw it up in the middle here, guys, it says, who's best able to handle border security?
That would be R plus 28.
Immigration, R plus 11.
Economy, R plus 6.
Inflation rising prices, R plus 6.
Foreign policy, R plus 5.
Russia-Ukraine war, R plus 5.
Tariffs, having the right priorities.
Democrats score better on health care, vaccine policy, which is shocking.
I completely agree on both fronts, but whatever.
Look out for the middle-class families, D plus 3.
Caring about people like you.
I feel like that's one they'd always ask about in 2004.
Yeah, that's a throwback.
So explain to me this, I guess it feels like it's a tale of two polls, but it's one poll.
So we're scoring better on all of these issues, and yet they're still unhappy with prices.
We have, you know, the GDP is through the roof.
Rising prices, it's hard to make prices drop, although the gas prices are way down.
You know, you've got utility bills are way down, especially in red states.
Where is the disconnect?
Is it just messaging?
Two things.
One, definitely.
It's messaging.
But two, it's also where each of those issues falls as a priority for voters.
Obviously, inflation is number one.
Cost of living and inflation is number one.
Generally, the economy and jobs is number two.
After that is healthcare, though.
So that's important because in our polling, I remember going back in the midterms in 2014, Democrats actually were still more favored slightly, you know, to deal with healthcare, yet they got punished on it because they did something the American public didn't want them to do.
They went too far and Republicans kept promising that they were going to repeal and replace it.
Of course, they didn't, but that's what they did.
And then in 16, of course, you still had Republicans actually eke out an advantage with healthcare, but because they didn't move on it when Trump was elected and Paul Ryan had a bigger majority, they got punished for it.
So some of this is about priority.
And the second part about this is the messaging, and we did a show on this the other day.
You can exactly see where the administration's message got off track, just started getting muddled.
It was when they started to turn away from the Doge element of their agenda.
The daily conversation was about domestic stuff and reform and accountability.
I think I have this.
It's 244.
This is that image.
This graph's going to be hard for people to probably grasp on the screen here because there's a lot going to be.
But this is a timeline of President Trump's administration so far.
And you can see the blue line is the favorability at the top.
So it looks like right around, we peaked, what, around February, February, March time period?
February, March.
Yeah, I think that's right.
And you can kind of see what happens.
You can see that the Epstein, you can see bombing Iran, make Iran great again on True Social, big drop.
And, you know, we're kind of still, we got back to par with when, but then Donald Trump and Elon Musk have their big falling out over BBB and Doge.
And the Epstein issue blows up.
He goes in the negative again.
So we're still upside down, according to your polling, a little over two points, 2.4.
It's going to get a little worse when we it's going to be a little worse when we release our latest.
It just hasn't updated yet.
But if people go to Real Clear Politics, of course, you have all the trash thrown in that average with it.
All of the people who didn't even have Donald Trump positive in approval when he was honestly almost 20 points positive.
I mean, during the highlight of his second term, Donald Trump's approval rating was ridiculous, unthinkably high in our polling compared to what we had seen in the past all these years.
He's been a public figure and a president.
But even with all of those other polls that are in the mix in the Real Clear Politics Average, you will see the same trend.
And you'll see where it looks like maybe they're going to write the ship again and then something else happens and it widens out.
And then that trend is just continued and continued.
Over the weekend, he actually hit a second term low.
And I think it's, if we go, if we had time to go over some of the what we call elaborated responses when we're interviewing people, we give them the interview and then we say, do me a favor, just take a few minutes, or don't if you don't want to, but we'd like you to take a few minutes and tell us why you answered the way you did with these questions.
And this weekend really was bad for the president because they felt like he was getting back on track.
And now everyone's just expecting, Andrew, everyone is just expecting within the next like couple of days to a month, nobody ever knows with Donald Trump.
They're just expecting him to bomb Iran and they're disappointed.
And again, you know, I thought we were going in the right direction here.
Now, and a lot of people on the right are more concerned.
You and I talk a lot about this.
One guy that was just interviewed about 40 minutes ago, he put it better than I even could.
You know, we have an ICE issue we have to deal with.
There's immigration problems going on right now.
Every second that you spend talking about whether or not we're going to bomb Iran and regime change is a second you waste telling the story to the American public about why ICE is out there doing what they have to do.
You know, and even he himself said, as of right now, I understand why people are angry with ICE and I understand why it looks like they're not trained well enough.
Friction On ICE00:03:07
I mean, we just seeded the, until a few weeks ago, until the shooting, we just seeded that argument to the left.
And they have been free since late last year to just tell the American public whatever story they wanted to tell them about ICE.
And now we're playing catch up.
And, you know, it's just Washington doesn't walk and chew bubblegum very well at the same time.
So, Rich, we obviously have some friction on ICE over the events in Minneapolis or bad PR with certain types of raids.
Do you interpret this as something we've said, both of us have said, this is clearly a huge issue that they kind of need to win.
They can't lose in Minneapolis where they're not enforcing.
Is this something they power through that if they keep enforcing the law, people get used to it in the same way that they got used to Obamacare, which was unpopular at first?
Well, we may have to go into a break here, but 20 seconds.
What's your initial thought there?
You know, that's a complicated response, but initially I'll say this.
I think they can power through it if they give the correct message.
It's just right now they're so far behind.
Most voters that are just like ignore me voters, Blake, do want ICE to like kind of back off a little bit until the administration explains to them better what they're doing.
I totally agree, and it's frustrating because I think that's the exact wrong reaction.
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Blake.
Yeah, let's continue on this.
You're powering through with ICE.
So you say they feel like they want to back off until it's explained better.
Well, we clearly don't want them to back off.
I think that would be a big loss.
But what is the explainer side of things that you think it's missing?
Why Masked Suspects Matter00:08:23
When people give these poll responses, what do they want to see from ICE that they're currently not seeing?
Number one, there's a huge confusion over what constitutes.
So we always say they're the worst criminals.
They're only deporting criminals.
If you ask the average American what constitutes a crime that puts you on the top of ICE lists, they have no idea.
So, and they don't automatically trust that these people are drug dealers, they're murderers, they're whatever rapists, because the left is telling another story.
The left is telling a story that you could have had a parking ticket that you didn't go in and pay and they came and ripped the child out of your hands.
I mean, this is what they're actually hearing.
And as of right now, there's just complete confusion over what would put you at the top of that list.
You know, we spoke to a Trump voter in Texas for a focus group, and he basically said, you know, I'm 100% on for ICE.
I get that, but I do have a neighbor who's been living next to me for 25 years.
Like, if he forgets to pay the toll, you know, are they going to come get him?
Does that just put you on the list?
You know, this guy is, he's been waiting for a green card forever.
He's been waiting for legal status forever.
So there's just even among Trump's own voters, there are people who think, until I understand this better, I'm not sure I want this.
And then also, which I did try, and this, you guys will know this better than most.
The left has a violence problem.
And ICE wears masks because if they're doxxed while they're out doing their job, some lunatic could come to their house and hurt their wife and children, right?
We know that.
We do.
And unfortunately, we know it better than most.
But the American public doesn't know that.
The administration, the right, we just did not do a good enough job explaining to people that ICE is not running around with masks on because they're like stormtroopers, you know, or the, you know, whatever other word the left wants to use to describe them that we all know is, you know, an outrageous link, but that has worked.
It's been effective.
And I mean, going back, what do I got, 30 seconds here?
Going back to late last year, going to the fall last year, we began to hear this and tried to put the flare in the air and say, look, you have to explain to people why they do it the way they do.
Otherwise, we have a real problem.
It just doesn't look good.
No, I love where your head's at here.
And there's this great viral clip I'm going to show that I think kind of gets to some of this.
249. We're here to arrest a child sex offender.
And you guys are out here honking.
No, we're pressing.
That vehicle right there is honking and impeding our investigations while we're trying to arrest a child sex offender.
That's who you guys are protecting.
Insane.
Yep.
That went viral.
Thankfully, make that guy the spokesperson.
Run an ad.
Yeah.
Yeah, make that guy.
Yeah, run an ad.
You're totally right, Rich.
We need to start doing PSAs.
We need to get aggressive on this stuff because this is all very plain if you have two eyes.
But I agree that the Joe Rogan sentiment is basically where the country's at right now, which Joe Rogan, to remind people, went on his podcast and he said he talked about them being masked.
He's like, what are we?
Are we really have we really become the Gestapo?
Are we really letting this show us your papers thing?
Well, here's the problem.
We had 10 to 15 million illegals invade this country under four years of an open border.
And guess what?
Cleaning up that mess sometimes gets messy.
But in the totality of all of the 650,000 deportations, we know that about 70% of those have committed an additional crime after entering the country illegally.
And we also know that there's only about 170 instances of a mistaken identity, meaning that they apprehended a citizen or somebody that was not supposed to be apprehended.
Those got rectified instantly.
That's a 99.98% success rate.
They are doing an incredible job, but Blake has a controversial take on this.
You don't think that they should be masked anymore.
So what I would say is, if one of our biggest losing issues is the fact that these guys are masked, maybe we should bite the bullet and say, and that might lead us to better ICE agents, too.
We'll get the bravest ones, the most committed ones.
But sometimes you have to take a hazard for the sake of the country.
And if whether we're able to save this country from illegals comes down to are our agents masked or not, I think we have to say you guys are going to have to go out.
And if someone harasses you at your home, if someone attacks you, you have the absolute right to defend yourself and those people will be arrested.
But especially given there are thousands of them, there is some strength in numbers.
Your odds.
And also, I'll add to that, they're already getting doxxed anyway.
They have websites they run in the Netherlands who got the addresses that post the personal information.
They're getting this information anyway because they have hackers, they have criminals, they love to do this sort of thing.
It's a full-time obsession for them.
They're going to do it anyway.
I just, I don't think the upside is there for us to wear the masks.
If that is, if Rich is correct, that that's one of the things that hurts ICE and the polls so much.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Can I just respond to that?
And I agree with Blake.
I mean, I do.
I'm not questioning anybody's bravery.
Of course, these guys do an amazing job, but there are two things with this.
One, ICE is not doing a very good job of controlling the area.
And it's not just ICE's fault.
Other law enforcement should be helping.
And if they're not giving their cooperation, then there should be punishment for that.
And the Trump administration is sitting on their hands while people are essentially breaking the law in blue states and in blue cities.
Well, punish them.
And guess what?
You know, people won't be as brave as Waltz and Fry and others when they see somebody get locked up for it.
Andrew, if local law enforcement or even the FBI pull up at somebody's house to arrest a drug dealer, affect a warrant or an arrest warrant, the place is on lockdown.
You're not allowed to have 10 people across the street honking horns and throwing stuff.
That doesn't happen.
They take control of the environment.
Done better.
They wouldn't need masks, you know, as much as they think they do, but they're being doxed anyway.
They're being doxxed anyway.
I totally agree.
And here, so I think the president should come out and do a full message to the nation, a sort of, you know, do it from the oval, do it, whatever.
And he needs to lay out some very simple facts.
You can coordinate with ICE and you won't get raids.
Or you can do what Virginia has just done.
After, by the way, a huge bust of a bunch of sex criminals, illegals, the next, very next day, Spamberger comes out and ceases all cooperation with immigration enforcement.
And if you choose that route, well, then you're going to get ICE raids.
That's the choice you have as a state, but not enforcing immigration law is not an option.
The supremacy clause is still in effect.
Immigration goes through the federal government.
States, you do not get the right to just completely subvert the will of the people, the will of the voters, and the federal government and our laws.
Secondly, you know, I know for a fact, Rich, that there's a bunch of budget left over on recruiting immigration officers, ICE agents.
It was in the big, big, one big, beautiful bill.
Yeah, they met recruitment goals basically immediately because it's very popular and people want to help their nation.
So God bless them.
So instead of making memes or glamour shots of certain leaders in the administration, what we need to do is we need to start, take what money's left, go do a big ad campaign, put that guy's face on it, saying you're getting in the way of us arresting a sex predator.
You need to stop it.
This is insanity.
You do not, if you are a mom, if you are a liberal woman, a leftist out on the streets saying, I want my community to be more inclusive, and you are defending sex predators and child rapists and drug smugglers on your streets, you're a dumb, dumb person.
Let me just edit myself really quickly.
You are not smart and you are getting lied to.
You're getting propagandized by a psyop from the left that wants you to think that these are all Gestapo agents.
Why Do We Allow This?00:07:17
No, they're keeping you safe.
They're keeping your child safe.
Sorry.
Go ahead, Blake.
Look, the PSA thing that you said is so important.
It's more than just with ICE, too.
Democrats have, Republicans have to change the way they do things because Democrats have a 24-7, 365 during election season, during off cycles.
They have a constant communications thing, working from media to the entertainment industry to even if you have an iPhone, Apple's doing their job for them with push notifications, with headlines that fit them.
The right has to realize that this is not just three months before an election or six months before an election.
All Thanksgiving went by, Andrew, without a single ad being run during football, those football games, which had enormous ratings.
They could have reached basically everybody in the country.
They did nothing.
Instead, they waste their money, you know, dressing up like dogs as an excuse to get drunk on a Saturday night.
I mean, it's ridiculous.
Rich, I got to go.
This was great, though.
Thank you.
We'll talk to you soon.
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Peter Schweitzer, he is exposing something that is truly insidious, and that is birth tourism, how our elites are using the birthright citizenship loophole, which needs to be abolished.
And they're going to Saipan.
Chinese pregnant women are going to Saipan, Northern Mariana Islands, which is a U.S. territory.
Some figures put this number at $100,000, $150,000 a year.
This has been going on for about 15 years.
We're talking about a million to 1.5 million Chinese that could be voting in 2030, could be voting in 2028.
But they've grown up in the CCP.
They've grown up in China.
And now because we are idiots and we have continued on with this birthright citizenship and you've got tourism and you've got people dropping off anchor babies, then what happens?
Then they get into country, and when they're 21 years old, then they can use chain migration, family reunification to bring their family members over, reunite with their family members.
No, I mean, bring in family members.
You're eligible for U.S. citizen-only welfare programs, U.S. citizen-only loans.
If you wanted to go to United States, you can go to United States College and get United States citizen tuition.
Everything's available, and it's for these scions of wealthy foreign elites.
And it's this ticking time bomb because they were doing this.
We've cut down on this a decent amount, but they were doing it in a totally uncontrolled way 18, 20, 25 years ago when China was first starting to really become wealthy.
And now this time bomb is coming due.
And it's absolutely infuriating because even if, even if you granted that the 14th Amendment stupidly allows this, Congress and our states could easily, they should easily just go and vote and say and do an amendment that 100% clarifies nobody who's doing this particular loophole is a United States citizen.
They could easily vote to pass that.
And the fact that they don't is incredibly sinister because you can't help but wonder who basically wanted to make the donation to make sure that that would just never happen, that there's always going to be a way for foreign elites to have a back door to get United States citizenship and everything that that comes with.
Yeah, well, and they're doing it obviously as I believe the CCP is behind it.
They're intentionally gaming the system.
And it begs the question: why do we allow this to continue?
And it's because Democrats want to transform the electorate.
They do.
They hate America as it's currently constituted, as it's historically been constituted.
They hate capitalism.
They hate our European heritage.
They hate the Constitution.
They hate all of these things.
And they think the way that their terrible ideas, which have never been able to gain majority support and traction in this country, the only way to do that is to import a foreign electorate, completely transform the body politic with people that will be more amenable to what they believe.
And why would we do this in an era where you can do birthright citizenship?
The 14th Amendment, even if you made the argument that birthright citizenship was somehow supported by the drafters of the 14th Amendment, which it was clearly not, if you actually look at the oral proceedings that happened right around the drafting of the amendment, they clearly did not want foreigners to be involved.
It was to give freed slaves citizenship because they were born and raised in America.
But even if you did that, the drafters had no conception that air travel was going to be a thing.
They had no conception that you could get a ticket from China to America for about like 800 bucks and drop off a baby in a U.S. territory in the Pacific.
And all of a sudden, that baby would then have full voting rights in the United States.
They had no conception of that.
So this whole thing is absurd on its face.
It needs to be repealed.
The Supreme Court announced on December 5th, 2025, so a little over a month ago, that it would review the birthright citizenship case known as Trump v. Barbara.
And it's going to be here hearing oral arguments in the spring of 2026.
So this year, so likely in April or May, we're going to get hearings, oral arguments for that.
A final decision is anticipated by the end of the court's term, so late June or early July 2026.
So hopefully the court is going to rule the right way on this.
A lot of people seem to be very skeptical that they are going to do so, but nevertheless, I'm hopeful.
I think it's one of the more clear-cut examples.
If you have any spine, if you have any common sense, you would read the oral arguments that happened in the drafting.
You would read the language.
You would read the actual precedent.
Mask Question Controversy00:09:36
There was a civil rights law passed before this that actually was more well-written.
It was more clearly defined.
But anyway, so I'm hopeful that birthright citizenship is going to get cleared up.
We could discuss the mask question.
We're getting a very big response.
All right, fine.
Let's discuss it.
Would we have some emails that we can a lot?
I want to get Jennifer Welch, though, so this is actually a happy accident.
But let's start with a mask question.
All right.
I will say the response is overwhelmingly hostile to me, which I'm used to.
Response is usually overwhelmingly hostile to me in this office, too.
But you do get some pushback.
I give you a good amount.
And people point out, and it's all true.
ICE agents do face threats.
ICE agents do face harassment.
They do want to harm ICE agents.
Accepting all of that is true.
But as we were discussing, if the best attack they have is, oh, they're masked and that means they're bad.
We have to.
We've talked about how important it is to not cede the ground that ICE is a paramilitary, that ICE is some like Gestapo, that ICE is anything but normal police.
And one of the things that's important with normal police is if they're not on a tactical or undercover special operation, police officers do show their faces publicly.
It is important that they do so.
That is one of the things that shows that they are serving the public.
Well, and here's the thing: I think the people in this audience are very well educated.
They're very probably in the news.
They understand the dynamics.
We've talked about it a lot on this show.
Yes, ICE agents get doxxed.
Their lives are at risk.
Not long after Charlie was assassinated, there was a sniper attack on an ICE facility in Texas.
These people are, they've been rammed over 100 times in recent weeks.
They've been dragged by cars.
They have their lives threatened.
The National Guard are attacked, too, in D.C. 1,000%.
Yeah, I mean, that was a horrific, horrific thing.
So I'm sort of, I'm still processing your suggestion, but I understand where it's coming from because this audience is not necessarily the same audience that we need to convince the normies in the middle, right?
They're listening to Joe Rogan saying that because they're masked, they're the Gestapo.
So I'm sympathetic.
I'm sympathetic because, listen, this is the most important thing that I believe that's happening domestically.
What's happening in the economy?
What's happening in energy?
Those things are important.
The GDP going up.
The AI revolution, crypto, all of these things are critically important.
The onshoring of domestic manufacturing, critically important.
There is nothing more important than mass deportation.
That's what won President Trump the election.
That's what I believe is going to win Republicans the election in 2028.
If we keep on this path, we cannot lose this argument.
We cannot cede ground.
We cannot cede moral high ground either.
And so I'm sympathetic to this.
I don't want to put ICE agents' lives at any more risk than they already are.
Trust me.
I think they're heroes.
But we do need to do a better job messaging.
And maybe the first step before we consider that as an option is we need to actually have President Trump go out, give a national address, tell exactly what the dynamic is happening in the streets of Minneapolis and other places, and explain to states like Virginia.
If you're going to stop coordinating with ICE, then listen, you're going to leave us no choice but to get these predators and these bad people off the streets doing it the hard way.
You could do it the easy way, you could do it the hard way, but there's no option where you don't play along and obey federal immigration.
It could even be something as they'll be masked in any state where they're also a sanctuary state that doesn't cooperate with them.
There you go.
You can make it explicitly.
There you go.
Yeah, we'll take the masks off in Texas and Florida.
There's no need because we're doing controlled handoffs at the local jails when they get pulled over for whatever crime they've been pulled over for.
So, yeah, I believe that this is something that we should at least entertain.
But, you know, obviously our audience is not there yet.
So I want to get to Jennifer Welch, though.
This is a really important.
Okay, so like, go put your head back in the December 2024 timeline.
We were wondering whether Democrats were going to become more moderate.
They were going to learn the lessons of the election.
They got walloped.
They got thumped.
Or were they going to go more radical?
Well, Jennifer Welch is exhibit A, that they are going more radical.
She's getting completely mainstreamed.
This is what she said in August of 2025, just before Charlie was assassinated, 236.
Charlie Kirk, this is my prime example of MAGA men operating in fear.
He is the biggest titty baby on the planet.
Last month, he did.
You just defined for us.
Can you define that?
Can we get a quick sidebar titty baby definition?
So Charlie Kirk is the biggest titty baby.
He was in New York City a few weeks ago, and he put on his Twitter that guy who's giving Taylor Swift unsolicited advice.
He put, I've been in New York all weekend, and I haven't felt safe once.
And I'm like, I've been in New York for five days.
I've ridden the subway.
I've been all up and down.
I haven't felt unsafe.
Not one time, Charlie Kirk.
But these men advertise their cowardice.
What he did, that was a profile and cowardice.
We should give him an award for that.
That is the most pathetic thing.
About 10 days later, Charlie's life would be stolen by an assassin.
You despicable human being.
Now she's going after Jesse Waters.
238.
We have to go after these MAGA men.
One example would be Jesse Waters.
This man talks incessantly about masculinity.
Joe Biden is not masculine because he sucks on soup.
What kind of man sucks on a straw?
He goes on and on and on so much about the idealized man.
And that's a part of fascism, this, you know, propelling this form of toxic masculinity.
Why are you so obsessed with men, Jesse Waters?
What's all that about?
Why are you so obsessed with trans people?
Why are you thinking about genitals all the time?
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This clip from Jennifer Welch, so she attacks Charlie, calls him a titty baby, which apparently is a southern expression for, you know, a child who hasn't weaned from the mom, complaining that he didn't feel safe in New York City.
10 days later, about 11 days later, he would be assassinated.
Now she's going off after Jesse Waters, saying that he talks about masculinity too much.
So do you see this?
And now we have other clips that I could show you where she's demanding prosecutions and you have elected officials leading, agreeing with her that as soon as they get power, they're going to prosecute us all.
Could be me and Blake.
Could be Steve Bannon.
Could be Christy Noam, Pam Bondi, President Trump.
And now she's attacking masculinity.
So we have attacks on churches and Christians.
We have attacks on masculinity.
We have attacks on white people.
We have attacks on federal law enforcement.
Calls for mass prosecutions and attacks on masculinity.
Do you see what they are attacking?
They are attacking the strength and the backbone that undergirds Western civilization.
At every point, they are attacking the things that they believe are impediments to their communist nirvana, to their far-left radicalism.
And it's a fast, I mean, perhaps there's historical precedent that comes to mind when you're talking about this, Blake.
But it's truly shocking.
And I'm going to pull up an image while you're going.
I mean, it's not shocking at all.
This is shocking.
I'm not a stock character.
I mean, Jennifer Welch, we had that discussion last week, what an awful is.
And Jennifer Welch is, she's just the photo in the dictionary next to it.
Nasty people.
I mean, she's so confident in calling someone a coward because she knows that she's extremely unlikely to ever face political violence because political violence is overwhelmingly the domain of the left, especially assassinations, especially that sort of unhinged targeted violence.
She knows that's the case.
And she knows she would approve it.
She would justify it.
Yes.
Yes.
Well, look at this.
This is what I'm going to tell you, right?
So throw up this image, 252.
This is from No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen, right?
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He's like a left-wing influencer guy.
So Virginia Democrats, this is how serious Democrats are.
And the question is, are we serious?
Are we serious?
Do we want to actually wield power when we have it?
This brings into question the filibuster.
This brings in the question, are we going to get the SAVE Act requiring voter ID?
There's new movement on the House side.
We're going to get into that this week.
Virginia Democrats, this is what he says, now have total control of the state government in Virginia and have immediately moved to do the following.
End police cooperation with Trump's ICE.
Pass new maps to combat Trump's gerrymandering and eliminate up to four Republican House seats.
So four House seats have just been wiped off the map in Virginia.
This is within weeks.
They've got all this done within weeks.
Enshrined LGBTQ plus rights in the state constitution.
Enshrine abortion rights in the state constitution.
Protect and expand voting rights, which just means open to more fraud.
Fire Republican appointees to the University of Virginia board.
Reestablish support for diversity and inclusion.
Accelerate a minimum wage increase and build more housing to lower rent prices.
They have an agenda.
And what really stinks with Virginia in particular, and it deserves some thought, it's so bad what happened in Virginia because at least with California and New York, they're actually messing it up so bad that the states are sort of disintegrating.
California's driving all their billionaires out with their wealth confiscation tax.
It just went viral.
They're trying to do audits on people who moved out of the state four plus years ago to try to hunt for cash.
And they might break Silicon Valley and it just won't come back because they could never rebuild it from scratch again.
But that's because California is far enough away from D.C. that they have to have a real economy ultimately.
And they tank it.
They're tanked industry as well.
If New York destroys the finance industry and it moves to Florida or moves to a new country, they're hosed.
But Virginia, because it has Washington, D.C. there, it just has the imperial capital that can pass a law to extract wealth from the rest of the country.
They can just get away with these insane things.
And they don't need to have a rational state because they can just go to the federal government and say, oh, pass more laws, take more money from the states that actually do things.
And then have a real economy.
And the employees will live in Northern Virginia.
And the federal employees will live in Northern Virginia and they'll get money paid for by you and me.
They're 100% recession-proof.
Their salaries don't go away when the economy crashes.
It's a very despicable and parasitic thing.
And for both Maryland, Maryland, I think, has the highest average income of any state.
It's not because they're well run.
It's just because they are a parasite on the rest of the country.
And now Virginia is that kind of parasite, too, and it's terrible.
Throw up 253.
This is Charlie.
He said, the left has never played by our rules.
Only we play by our rules.
Our rules are what keep our side from winning.
We either want to win or we will lose under some delusion that the rules mean anything.
And this is the question I think that's facing us right now.
When it comes to what's happening in Minneapolis, the showdown with state and local governments that refuse to remove child predators, murderers, sex traffickers, drug traffickers from the streets.
And they're trying to defy federal law.
This is the same question that comes with basically anything, right?
Abortion rights, LGBT coup rights.
They're going to prosecute us.
They're going to call us names.
They're going to call us fascists, Gestapo, all of these things.
The question is, we have the moral high ground.
Do we have the guts to see it through?
Do we have the strength of our own intestinal fortitude, of the strength of our own convictions?
Do we have the strength of our own Christian faith to see us through, to actually do real things?
And I will say, Trump, for all of his flaws, for all the things that you can get mad at, he has showed us that you can just do things.
Sometimes you can just do things.
And I think he has put a spine back into the conservative movement.
And Charlie talked about this in right-wing revolution.
Do you have the guts to use political power when you have it?
Well, we have it, at least at some level right now.
And I'm afraid that it's being squandered in too many places.
This is the time that we are facing an existential crisis in this country.
A crisis of do we have the will to use political power when we have it to do the right thing, to do things that are actually important, that actually that's why we fixated so hard.
They have to.
They have to win the showdown in Minneapolis, period.
Because it has become so important and so symbolic for the wider country.
If they can't follow through on doing immigration raids and deporting people in Minneapolis in the face of protests, in the face of screaming, in the face of harassment, in the face of organized systematic law breaking with the aid of a state government, if they back down against that after the election we won last year with this president in office, with this personnel in office, it's basically just never going to happen.
And that will be the message that our base takes.
So they'll be demoralized and the left will take it and they'll be inspired.
They have to win the deportation battle.
We have to win the deportation battle and we have to win the messaging war when it comes to that.
So my message to DHS, to ICE, use that money that's still there for recruitment.
Start getting PSAs out there.
Explain this.
Go over the airways.
Get on the AFC and the NFC championship games and the NFL.
Explain, make your case.
President Trump, have a national address.
Explain what's actually happening.
Explain why raids are happening when you refuse to cooperate with ICE and turn over criminals safely in a jail.
Explain why our ICE agents have to be masked to protect their own safety.