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Dec. 13, 2025 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 109 — Tyler Robinson In Court

The ThoughtCrime crew covers Tyler Robinson's first in-person court hearing. Did he really smile in court? Why are things moving so slowly? And would conspiracies around Charlie's death be weaker if justice showed more urgency? Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com!    Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Another edition of Thought Crime Thursday.
We've got breaking news hard and fast in the Tyler Robinson trial.
We're on with Blake Knepp.
What's up, Lake?
Howdy.
Howdy.
Good to see you, Jack.
You as well.
And Cliff Laloney.
How are you, Cliff?
Doing great.
Thanks for having me, gents.
All right, guys.
So the judge is currently ruling on information regarding and motions regarding whether or not cameras will be allowed in the courtroom for Tyler Robinson, who is the accused murderer of Charlie, our friend.
And I've been seeing a lot of information that Judge Graff made a ruling regarding Charlie's, regarding cameras in the courtroom.
However, people need to understand that the ruling that just came down, and I see this going viral online even as we speak, that was only about cameras in the courtroom today as pertains to this specific hearing and possibly pre-brief hearings in general.
There's also mention, and I've got this from a reporter that Graff wrote, just keeping stated, that we've set aside the 30th of January, and that might be the one want to say to argue our anticipated motion that's coming about keeping Courtney's out of court.
Cameras in the courtroom, I want to weigh in as well.
It will be on January 30th.
So on January 30th is the one that they're making that ruling for.
They're not making a ruling yet as of this time for the entire courtroom trial.
Blake Matthew, you've been watching this.
Is this your understanding as well?
Yeah, yeah, that seems right.
It went out in a few places that they'd already ruled, but that's not surprising.
Kind of everything about this case seems to take forever, which we complained about on the show today.
And I promptly got an email from another person who works in other murder trials.
And she said, it's just always like this.
She said she's seen absolute open and shut gangbanger shooting cases take two years to resolve.
And so that sadly might be like this even for something as basic as getting cameras into the courtroom, which we're all hoping for, I think.
Besides that, I guess the main thing we've gotten out of this, because people need something to feast on, is we do have really our first in a courtroom video footage of Tyler Robinson.
We have people analyzing his facial expressions because there's not too much to analyze otherwise at this point, whether his, whether the look on his face and profile, which we're showing right now, is he smiling?
Is he laughing?
A lot of people have had that interpretation.
I'll admit, I've only gotten a chance to look at it a few times.
I'm not sure I see laughing.
You can see a sort of grin a few times, but I could understand that someone said that it was otherwise.
And by the way, guys, I'm going to share in the chat right now.
I just got the Otter note with the full transcript.
So if you guys want to get it in.
But yeah, so, oh, excuse me, the media access, actually, January 30th is now moved because the hearing is still going on.
So they now move back to February 3rd.
So Blake, to your point, there we go.
They're just moving it out again.
They're moving it out.
They're moving it out.
I would say, though, if you have, does anyone have that picture of Charlie, or excuse me, Charlie, of Tyler Robinson, this, you know, where it's kind of zoomed in?
It's like a zoomed in picture of him.
And Blake, I'll, you know, to your point, I'll send it in the chat.
I didn't necessarily see him laughing in this video, but there's one spot where that, I mean, that's just definitely a smile.
And, you know, there are times where Brian Etton out of News Nation, who does a lot of this reporting, he said that, you know, sometimes it can be a tactic by defense teams to say, try to look more human, try to smile, try to humanize yourself with the jury or any potential jurors who might be watching.
So act normal.
And yet, when you see this specific image of him smiling and you see sort of the way that he's acting, I mean, to me, he looks very smug.
He looks very smug.
He seems, it's a grin.
It's a grin.
It's a smirk that you see in these images.
And we're going to get that up and show you guys in just a second.
But this is, I'm just going to say it, guys.
This was very, it was hard to watch.
All right.
I'm just going to say right now.
It was really hard for me to watch and see this guy yucking it up with his lawyers there at the table and grinning and certainly not looking remorseful, certainly not looking as though he's sad that we're in the proceedings for the death of a good man, the death of a father, the death of a husband.
He's just, you know, very nonchalant and having a good time, hanging out like he doesn't have a care in the world.
And, you know, I don't know the strategy or what, but I got very upset watching this earlier today.
And I, yeah, I can't even really say publicly what I want to say.
Cliff, I don't know.
What do you think?
What were your thoughts when you saw this video?
Well, I think this was a big moment for everybody, at least for me.
I mean, I texted Tyler about this when I first saw the image of him grinning.
I think the same thing.
The same exact thing.
In a weird way, I think all of us are dealing with this in different ways.
And it still comes in waves.
And sometimes it still doesn't feel real.
This was a moment, right?
When he seeing him like as an actual person, I'm not calling him that.
He's not worthy of being called a human being.
He's a piece of garbage.
But it really just made this thing real again.
And I think it was a moment, you know, to see him not just as, you know, hey, this prisoner who we saw briefly in the, you know, the prison garb, but now to be in a dress shirt and the tie, to have people surrounding him defending him.
You know, it's the justice system and it's going to play its way out, but it was tough to watch.
And let me just say this to everybody out there.
These trials are going to take time.
Okay.
It's going to be frustrating.
There's going to be so much that they have to prove that he is a person, that he was there, that there is a campus, the campus exists in Utah.
There are so many, I want to call them preliminary things, but things that for most normal folks, if you've never been into a criminal trial, if you've never seen one, there are so many mundane things that the prosecutors are going to have to prove that are real things.
And to us, it's so obvious, but in the court of law, you have to prove those things.
And so I do think we should be prepared for this to be a long, drawn-out battle.
But as Erica said, why not be transparent?
So that is the win that we're looking for.
We're hoping that this is all going to be on camera, not to glamorize him, but let the people see what this monster did.
And let's have an open trial so that there's full transparency.
I agree with Erica on that.
Yeah, I really think it's one of those things where there's a lot of, I think a lot of the issues we've encountered with what people say about this, it comes from. the psychic overload that there people have such strong feelings about Charlie and about what happened to him.
They need to engage with it.
They need something to react to.
And instead of having an unfolding trial with facts, instead of having all the truly, actually quite lurid information about Tyler Robinson and his private life, I think that could be satiating a lot of them.
But it's taking a long time because these court proceedings take so long.
And so they're getting diverted into other things.
I think it's a big argument in favor of we should, as a country, spend more on our justice system, have more prosecutors, more judges, whatever it takes to have faster hearings, faster trials, faster turnaround on this sort of thing, because this is a modern development.
You used to be able to do serious trials with serious evidence and serious proceedings within the last hundred years without nearly as much delay for this sort of thing.
There have been attempted assassins of presidents who are tried, convicted, in a fair trial, and in their cases, executed within a two, three month time window.
You don't necessarily need this to be that fast, but it feels very disappointing to me that anyone in a high-profile murder case is taking half a year before you're even getting to jury selection.
Yeah, and it's going to continue to drag out.
And that's why I'm saying that.
Like I agree with you, but I think it's our job to kind of set the expectation with viewers of the show and people that love Charlie.
This is not going to be a four-month thing, right?
This is going to take a long time.
There's going to be jury selection.
There's going to be tons of these just things that from an outside perspective, you're going to say, well, who really cares about that?
Why are they able to drag it out?
But that's part of the strategy.
And sometimes it's for the defense.
Sometimes it's for the prosecutors, you know, to kind of get the jury mad at the other side or to be frustrated.
But I think, you know, the other thing is selecting a jury in this case, you know, to have a jury that's not tampered or people that haven't seen this.
I mean, this is unprecedented, right?
Charlie was everywhere.
I think it's hard to find someone, especially now with the news coverage that doesn't know who Charlie Kirk is.
And so you're going to have a heck of a jury selection to try to figure out, you know, and some of these rulings are going to be crucial on who the judge lets in, who the judge says, you know, has some sort of bias.
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I mean, this isn't OJ.
Like we're in an age now where everyone has access to social media.
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So that to me is going to be a very, very interesting part of this process.
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So one thing that I'm getting from a friend of mine who was watching this and does some work in the true crime, you know, kind of like apologies files to watch.
So it says that Erica was officially made the victim in this.
And something that a lot of people have pointed out that could come up in terms of some of the firestorm, the media that's already going on, is the Utah witness intimidation law.
And I'll put that out right now.
So this is some, and by the way, this is something that comes up in a number of these cases when people have become, have followed them so closely, but then become so, shall I say, so targeted at witnesses and victims.
So here's what it says.
Under Utah law, a person committing witness tampering or intimidation, if they attempt to improperly influence the testimony of someone they know that might testify, attempt to prevent someone from testifying, threaten, harass, or retaliate against someone because of their role, engage in conduct intending to make a witness fearful, silent, or less cooperative with the justice process.
Utah specifically criminalizes threats, harassment, public accusations intended to discredit, public pressure campaigns that could chill testimony, retaliatory conduct towards victims or victim advocates or designated representatives, public statements, even online, can use the definition if the intent is to affect testimony or cooperation.
And so this is something that has come up in a number of these cases where you have this huge community that gets involved, but people have to remember that they are active cases.
And in fact, there are laws on the books that govern anyone who can get involved in anyone that is getting involved in these cases.
And that's serious.
That's a very serious thing.
And these laws have been on the books for a long time.
Blake, walk us through why we have laws like this.
I mean, we have laws like this because those are the things that people do to escape culpability for crimes.
And also, frankly, a part of it is also they're a way, like our glorious Supreme Court has made it difficult to execute people, unfortunately.
And so one of the ways they've gone about it is they've said you have to have some aggravating factors before we will allow a heinous perpetrator, traitor to face appropriate punishment for their crimes.
And so you definitely see facets of that throughout the indictment of Tyler Robinson, where they threw in that charge for doing something in the presence of a minor.
And I think the witness intimidation stuff comes into that because when you're doing stuff against witnesses, that's another thing that's considered a valid aggravating factor in cases.
And so you get those in play.
They're clearly, they structured the indictment in a way to make sure a court couldn't swoop in later and say there were no aggravating factors, so you can't try to bring the death penalty in this case.
I just want to clear up something, guys, because I have this.
So the official term is, and Maya Culpa, if I use the wrong term, she is recognized as the designated victim representative.
So she'd be officially recognized as a designated victim representative.
And so that means she has a right to attend the trial.
But as such, a lot of these witness intimidation laws could potentially, if the judge decides to, cover the designated victim representative as well, which means they cover Erica.
And I mean, Blake, to your point, there's a basic reason we don't want people intimidating victims in the trial because we want actual justice.
Well, for the same reason, we want actual justice.
So that's why these laws on witness intimidation also cover victim representative intimidation as well.
Yeah, and if I'm understanding this correctly, why I think this opens up a can of worms in a good way is because now all of a sudden, you know, look, defamation, all of us know, you know, some of the vile things we've seen and some of these horrific things that people say about us or anybody that's involved with Charlie or New Charlie, you know, the standard for defamation is pretty much impossible in the United States.
I mean, for public figures, it is pretty much something where to be successful in a defamation case against a public figure, it's just very rare.
But now, I'm hearing this and I'm thinking to myself, you know, now it makes it, I think, much more doable that if Erica or the state wanted to go after somebody that is literally threatening her in a way or defaming her in a way that could intimidate her as a potential witness or as the victim representative.
Am I saying that correctly?
Does that open the door where it's much more liable for somebody to go after somebody that now has that label?
Because with defamation, it's pretty much impossible.
Yeah, it can be.
It's ultimately up to the judge.
It's ultimately up to prosecutors in this case.
But yes, it does give her an official standing with the court and in the trial.
So what it means, and this has come up in other cases where in other parts of the country where people have been harassed, intimidated, and then taking it up with the court.
And they've gone back and found rulings on their behalf and said, look, you can't interfere with someone who's directly involved with a trial like this, what they view as a form of witness intimidation and actually tampering with a jury trial.
And by the way, you know, just from a personal perspective, I want everyone to comment on this file.
If you disagree, if you think if you're one of these people who is, I've been calling them the Robin Simps.
So the Tyler Robin Simps who actually support Tyler Robinson and they think that he's completely innocent and think that there's no way he could have done it and think this.
I want the Robin Simps to be out there.
I'm not calling for them to be arrested or charged or anything like that.
And I think they have a perfectly fine First Amendment right to be wrong.
But the Robin Simpson, people asking questions.
You have perfectly right to ask questions in this country called the First Amendment.
That said, people should be aware that these laws are on the book.
And that's just why I'm reading that.
Because very simply, I'm just reading here.
Victims have rights.
It's really simple.
There's a bill of rights for victims and it includes the victims and not the freedom to not be publicly harassed, intimidated abuse, protection from accusations, mobilization of followers to harass or attack.
And so this means that in a sense, and I'm reading this, Erica is now officially tied to the prosecution and the prosecution can take actions to protect her.
And that's just something that is going to be another feature of this case, I believe, going forward.
It's possible.
I feel like that would be what you're alluding to would be a stretch, but I guess I would probably appreciate it.
It's not a stretch.
It's the law.
Yeah, I mean, it's the law, but it would be, there's laws and then it's how do you use those laws?
I would be very pleasantly surprised if we saw it used in that way.
I mean, I don't know.
I'm just, I have no idea if it would or it wouldn't, but we have seen people face charges for victim intimidation before another state.
We have, we have.
I'd have to read more on what they specifically did in those cases, though.
Well, again, we're just talking about the liability.
So, the fact that she is now the official designation means that there are certain laws that apply to Erica that prior to this did not.
And if I had to ask you guys, how long do you guys think that this lasts?
I mean, what's a reason?
I mean, is it we talking about a year and a half?
Are we talking about three months?
Like, what's the prediction?
I mean, if you really want to know if it's a capital case, if he gets the death penalty, he could, this could be a 30-year thing.
You've seen how often they love to drag these things out.
Even without that, it's a great cause of the left to get people who have life in prison out on parole somehow, especially if it is life without parole.
We're given that promise all of the time, and it doesn't pan out.
You see these things.
They love to commute sentences.
Now, there are just people out there who love criminals.
They love letting criminals get out.
They love letting people who've committed heinous crimes roam free in society again.
So I feel rather unfortunately, I just can't truly imagine this being over over for tragically many years.
They'll find some way to perpetuate this case far beyond what it should be.
Do we have any intel on how he's funding his defense?
I mean, does he come from any money?
Like, is this, are these public defenders?
So it comes from a public pot of money.
And so he's given a public pot of money that was granted to him.
This is also under youth, governed by Utah law.
I could pull up in a second exactly about his legal team, but yes, it does come from a public pot of money.
And they did give him acc because it's a capital case.
They are then giving him access to a higher amount of funds they would if than if it were a, you know, if there were just a misdemeanor case, a felony case, a capital murder case, they are giving him access to far more funds because, of course, this is why the state wants this, because they don't want, let's say he's convicted, they don't want him to be able to come back around on an appeal and say, oh, I had ineffective, you know, ineffective counsel or something like that.
Got it.
But yes, it is, it's taxpayer funded and we'll say to people.
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Well, here's something else I want to add, by the way.
So his parents, we are told reporters who were in the courtroom, including Dan News Nation, that his parents did attend the trial, as well as one of his brothers.
And sounds like his mother was very emotional.
It sounded like he was crying while she was waiting for.
There was a portion of this that was held behind closed doors while they were sort of making the arguments regarding the cameras.
And Brian Netton mentioned that his mother was all at one point.
They asked for the family to stay in the courtroom, but then the judge actually asked them to leave the courtroom during the trial phase or during that argument phase.
And he said the mother was outside the courtroom, out of the courtroom, just crying.
And look, I keep saying over and over, you know, for people who have been telling me that, oh, Tyler Robinson, the plants, you know, this isn't, this isn't real.
Well, it's sort of like, guys, his parents were the ones who turned him in.
And if they thought their son was innocent, that if he was falsely accused, you know, they have all the opportunity in the world to speak to the media.
The eyes of the world are on them today.
Not one of them walked up to media and said, my son is innocent.
We have Godwald famously referred to himself as a Patsy.
And you just don't see anyone from the family coming out and saying that they believe he didn't do it.
They believe he was innocent.
Just hasn't happened.
And it certainly didn't happen, but Ave had the opportunity to do so.
They did not.
And look, we see these images of Tyler Robinson, these sick images of him.
I've just found a new image, by the way.
I'm going to send it as well.
Just this sick image of him grinning.
It was very well, very clear that he's grinning and caught in 4K.
He just looks weird, too.
I guess that's not the best.
Yeah, there it is.
He really is.
He's grinning while Charlie's family is going to go through prisoners without the dad.
He's sitting there drinking.
Can we not talk about how he looks like Dado O'Rourke?
Has nobody made that comparison yet?
Today, he does.
Wow, he does come in.
Today, in that case, first time I saw that.
Jack, you made a good point.
I want to elaborate on it.
That ruling was interesting when they said, hey, we need to clear out.
We're going to make some decisions about cameras and we're going to have some debate on this.
And I don't want the public in here.
And they obviously, you know, the defense said, hey, we want to request the family can stay.
And the judge did not go with them, right?
The judge went with the prosecutors.
But I find that to be very, very interesting because a lot of times you'll see judges start to go one direction.
And if early on they're going the direction of, hey, we're going to, you know, be with the defense, that becomes a problem if you're obviously rooting for the prosecutors.
And so I think some of these early decisions can kind of show what type of temperament the judge is going to have.
And for the judge to say that Tyler Robinson's family does not get special treatment, they are not allowed to stay in the courtroom, that all members of the public have to leave.
I think that's a big win.
And I don't think we should glance over that.
That was a big ruling from the judge today.
And so one other piece for people to understand is that, so people are asking, will Erica testify?
And so likely, I mean, it's certainly possible anyone can call witnesses, but it's more likely that as a victim representative, that she will be giving a statement not during the trial phase, but there's two phases to a death penalty trial.
I mean, a death penalty trial in most states, including the state of the state of Utah, that the victim doesn't testify until, so there's a conviction.
Then there's another phase, which is the conviction phase, our first testimony brought in, and that's when you appear with the order public victim impact statement.
And those victim impact statements are the ones that come in there.
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Yeah, well, we have, we have Cade in again.
He's a frequent donor.
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And thank you very much, Kate.
We have a second one, but it's a lighter topic, so I would like, I don't want to hit it until we're ready to move on to the next one because I don't want to taint this very serious topic with it.
But we are aware of your earlier one.
Who was that from?
From B. Jordan.
We'll be reading off yours in a sec here.
But do we have anything else we want to hit on this?
I have one last question.
Do we think that he testifies?
Robinson?
I mean, technically, we don't even know if he has, he hasn't entered a plea yet, correct?
Not a formal plea, no.
Yeah, he might just plead guilty for all we know.
Yeah, he could.
So as far as we know, yes, he easily could just plead guilty.
And I'm looking at the chat.
Yeah, in the chat, just most people that are just appalled the same way that I am to see him smiling, to see him grinning, laughing it up.
Go ahead, man.
Lap it up.
Go ahead.
Keep laughing it up.
Lap it up as much as you want.
Please continue to do so.
Namarstan asked, can they have cameras in the courtroom or not?
They have not ruled on that for a trial.
He ruled that they could have cameras in the courtroom today for today's hearing, but we do not have a ruling on the overall trial.
We likely won't have that for many weeks.
That is the cursed reality we live in.
all want to see this move more quickly but that is the situation we have right now if both if both of the sides for the hearing the hearing is until february 3rd So we've got two months before we even get a next hearing on that.
Just, yeah, it's as stressful for us as it is for everyone else, I can assure you.
Yeah, and Blake, I actually, when you said 30 years, that kind of hit me in the gut, but you're right.
I mean, this thing could be a very, very long process.
I mean, it's truly horrible.
I once read in the 70s, there was a serial killer in Houston, and several of them, in fact, it was a group operation.
So one of them died and the other went to prison for life.
And due to some glorious quirk of the judicial system, that person is eligible for parole.
And so they literally were a group that abducted children and murdered them.
And every couple years, the parents of one of their last victims have to go to the court to present their arguments for why the person who murdered their child should not be out on the streets again.
And this will continue as long as they are alive.
And I just think about what a tragedy that is for a person who, like, their entire life was a waste.
They used it to destroy other people's lives.
And we preserve them for some reason.
I don't understand it.
I don't understand why we moved away from justice as a principle that our state can wield.
But that is what we have.
And it leads to a lot of re-traumatization of people like those parents, like Erica Kirk, like a lot of people.
Well, Blake, are you familiar with that case?
And Cliff, you might know this because it's Philadelphia of Mumia Abu Jamal.
Fry Mumia.
No, kill me.
Yeah, so Mumia is, this is a guy who, think about this.
He killed a police officer, Black Panther, so he shot a police officer in cold blood before I was born in 1980.
He killed him in 1981.
Then he sentenced to death in 1982.
And years and years and years go by.
20 years go by.
He's still alive.
He's still on death row.
He's filing appeals, filing appeals.
The widow of the police officer who is so young, Maureen Faustner, the wife of Danny Faulkner, widow of Danny Faulkner, is begging over and over for justice to be done on this.
And then eventually 30 years after the murder, because things have become so woke in the city of Philadelphia that in 2011, the prosecution simply agrees to change his sentence to life without parole.
So he gets life without parole, using GenPOP.
And this is what they can do there now.
He became sort of a quasi-celebrity.
You have like Rage Against the Machine and all these people coming in for him.
And so, Blake, to your point, this is a big problem when we wait so long to execute murderers that emotions fade, memories fade, people move on to other things and different narratives can get in.
In this case, they waited so long that the case was actually taken away.
The sentence was actually taken away.
And now we just have life in posting.
And there's a shortage of justice.
Like it, people, I think there is a psychic feeling across America that they think there's a lack of justice for things that have gone wrong.
You often hear that in reference to COVID, that lockdowns were obviously a catastrophic decision.
A ton of people suffered a lot.
And then nobody ever was really held accountable financially, criminally, socially even for what they did.
Like at a minimum, someone responsible for something that bad should feel a little ashamed to go outside.
And that never happened.
And I do feel that's one of the important arguments in favor of capital punishment.
There should be a high-profile way, something that goes on semi-regularly if you're in a society with crimes that reminds you people who do grave works of evil will be ripped out of society like the cancers that they are.
And I don't think it's a surprise that when you have a society afraid to execute the worst malefactors, you have a society that is increasingly detached from any principle of right and wrong whatsoever.
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Yeah, and look, I mean, I spent a lot of time, I mean, Trump's first term, the first step act, right?
A lot of people on the right, criminal justice reform, we were all about it.
But here's the big difference.
We were talking nonviolent.
And this is where I think a lot of people on the left have kind of lost it, not just with Defund the Police, but it becomes that any law on the books, you know, we need to have sympathy for those because the justice system is flawed.
And it's just not true, right?
Obviously, the justice system can be flawed, but this idea of like soft on crime across the board, it's kind of this vicious, like they're just all in on that.
And to me, like you said, when you have these things that are very, very much not what I would call nonviolent, these horrific crimes, I think it should be the opposite.
Like you said, we should make an example of these people.
And I took, look, I spent a lot of time being against the death penalty, probably 10 years.
And to be frank with you guys, this was probably the moment where I realized when something hit close to home with somebody that we knew That, you know, it's easy to theorize about that and to say, well, you know, I don't trust the government to kill somebody.
But in certain circumstances, it is very justified.
And obviously, I believe this is one of those.
We have got a question from a gibberish nation asked, can the feds go back and charge Robinson with causing Charlie to lose his federal rights by murder and thereby seek the death penalty if it is not obtained through the state court?
I suppose the most important question is, is that, do you guys know, is that a capital offense?
Deprivation of civil rights in that matter?
That would be an important question.
Obviously, we have seen.
You would have to charge him with a form of terrorism.
I believe would be a capital offense.
Yeah, that would be my guess.
I'm sure that that has entered their mind as a way, terrorism.
Maybe they could get some sort of federal murder charge.
They're always creative with those if they cross federal property to do it or something like that.
I wouldn't be surprised if that's on the table, but part of that is that's one of the things about it taking so long.
Are you going to suddenly come in and charge him if this verdict is finally reached a year from now, a year and a half from now?
That is something I'm not sure of.
I'm sure they would make a show of it, but again, by the time that would be done, you might be in a new presidential administration, might be a Democrat.
And let's be careful what we wish for.
Obviously, we want justice for Charlie, but you don't want to get in the habit of the federal government coming in and finding some law or something that they can.
I mean, what's John Stousle's book, Three Felonies a Day, right?
If the government wants to come after you, they can.
So I do want justice here, but let's just get the win here in Utah and not try to find a way that the federal government can come in and try to.
Yeah, the answer to the question is yes.
Of course, if the feds wanted to do it, they could try to do it.
It'd be unprecedented, but they could try to do it.
I don't think we want to be in the position where the federal government, God willing, it's not JD Vance after 28.
I don't want them backdating things and coming after us for random acts that they deem as some sort of federal offense.
No, but you can, I mean, you certainly can add that Jared Chauvin got federal charges added to his state charges.
So, I mean, this wouldn't be the first time that there were two sets of cases.
And I'm not saying it's prudent necessarily do so, but certainly just in a basic answer to the question, yes, the federal government can do that and certainly have the right to do that.
They did.
All right.
It looks like I just want to say, because they did donate, and we always try to read those.
I said I'd do it when we got to change topics, but the chat is super locked into this topic.
So I think we're staying zeroed in on the Robinson saga.
But I wanted to call this a, so B. Jordan, 24-563, donated $20 and said, appreciate the show, guys.
We appreciate you, Jordan.
Hoping the Sharon Moore situation might come up this week.
For those who don't know, the coach of Michigan football got caught, I believe, impregnating an undergraduate, not advised.
That would be an amazing topic, but we have a more serious topic that is very close to our hearts that does deserve our full attention this week.
But I agree, it is a very fun story.
And again, thank you for your support.
Thank you for tuning in.
But yeah, on this one, yeah, you're right, turning point.
We have to stay focused for Charlie.
We have to watch this case.
Anyone else?
Someone's just a Chad 89 says, Antifa being a terrorist organization could be enough for a federal charge.
I guess you would have to find, you would have to be able to prove that he even considered himself acting as an agent of Antifa.
So that would be something where if we have a very thorough look at his Discord messages, any chat groups he was in, you might be able to find that.
But if he's not, if he never uses Antifa to describe himself, if he's not in contact, that could be tough.
It's always, there are things that can bring you down.
So I don't, I guess I would encourage us to view this trial as by far our best shot to get the accountability we want for Robinson.
And we would only consider alternatives if that's just not going to come to pass.
That's my thought.
Yeah.
And also, as an example, the Maggioni case, depending on where you take this, you know, you got to make sure you have a judge that actually believes in upholding the law.
So Luigi Maggioni was charged under federal terrorism.
And the judge in that case, this liberal judge, actually threw it out.
So he threw out the terrorism charge because he said that, well, this isn't terrorism that when Magioni murdered the healthcare CEO.
And the judge, as a liberal, said that it wasn't terrorism because it was only murdering one person and that his actions weren't intended to cause harm or intimidation to others, despite the fact that he, just like Tyler Robinson, wrote political slogan on his bullet, had a manifesto, had all the intent in the world to spark what he called justice for, you know, these issues in the healthcare system,
inequality in the healthcare system.
And yet the judge said, and the judge actually imparted his ruling in that, because in the New York, this is even a state judge, so I have to, I may have to double check myself, but I remember it was a terrorism charge, and that's why I'm talking about it.
But he said that the way the statute was written was that it affected harm to civilians.
And under the statute, he ruled that healthcare workers don't count as civilians because that only means the public at large.
It was the most twisted ruling and the most twisted reading of the statute that I've ever seen.
And I'm like, this guy must obviously be a liberal to say that, oh, well, if you work for a healthcare company, you're not a civilian.
It's like, yeah, that's exactly how all marks was think.
Yeah, and one point I'll make, I mean, you know, I've seen a lot of these different cases where the law can say, you know, the sky is blue.
But if a judge says, hey, you know, today it's red, it's like, it really, once again, there are flaws in the justice system.
And some of these judges and some of the rulings, it can be as clear as day to all of us.
And, you know, I mean, these judges are elected, right?
Or they're appointed by somebody that we elected and that system's supposed to work.
But sometimes it's just broken and it stinks and you got to power through it.
And so I've been asked, say, what is the psychology of a Robin Simp?
And I'll ask you guys this.
So do you guys know?
So a Robin Simper.
So a Robin Simper is who, and not just ask questions about the public narrative.
You want to ask questions, you want to ask questions about evidence, ask questions about the FBI.
Fine, go ahead.
First Amendment right.
But there are people that are full-on Tyler Robin Simper who are just like, this guy didn't do it.
I don't believe the parents.
I don't believe any of it.
You know, he needs to get off.
We need to work to get him off.
That makes you a Robin Simper.
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And are you guys familiar with the term Pro-burgers?
Have you guys ever heard this?
PRO Burgers, PRO Burgers.
I only eat amateur burgers jack yeah, yeah.
So have you like?
Do you guys remember Brian Coberger as in, the murderer up in Idaho of those Sorari girls?
Oh oh, the guy who looks like uh, Richard Hinania, crossed with Josh Holly, and kind of looked a little bit like like Tyler Robinson, because y'all know who doesn't lie.
So the the pro burgers are a subset of the true crime community where they completely believe that Brian Coberger is innocent, that he was set up, that someone else did that, and they have formed it's kind of a mini cult.
They have this parasocial relationship with a variety of people who believe the pro burger cult and it's basically like a fandom cult of him.
They have shrines, they have song, they have like edits of Brian Coberger.
Obviously you see this a lot with Luigi Maggioni to a great extent um, and you see, you even see people taking trips to go and visit the places associated with Brian Coberger because they believed so strongly in his uh, in his innocence.
But it's beyond, it's so far beyond, just you know oh, I think this guy didn't do it.
It's literally become their identity because, I don't know, it's gotta be like you don't have meaning at home or you're disconnected and disassociated with life.
Um, it is female coded.
Sad to say, it's just true.
It's uh, it is very female coded where yeah, they will completely allow this to subsume their identity.
Well, what's funny is, I have to imagine really deep down, they would not want him to be innocent because clearly their actual thought is that he did do it.
They just this is weird to say they think it's hot.
I guess, like he's this dark killer person, like I don't think they would find this guy terribly interesting if he wasn't a murderer.
Hypristophilia what's that?
At one Hypothelia?
So hyprostophilia is a hybrid i'm sorry if my my audio is being um uh, messed up again.
So hybristophilia is a paraphilia.
It's a type of sexual attraction for people who commit serious crimes.
Uh, you saw this uh, with the, the Columbine shooters.
You see this with a variety of pillars.
You saw this with the Boston bombers Iltarzanayev, where people who are um, I believe it was um, oh gosh, there are certain Ted Bundy got married while he was still in jail and you know they.
They believe that they are super attracted sexually to bad boys criminals deviants, and they want those typical risky, you know risky relationships, and so they're attracted to criminals.
So yeah Ted Bundy, um i'm, it wouldn't surprise me if they were people who were attracted to Jeffrey Dahmer.
It's, it's absolutely a certain um paraphilia that's out there and it's this desire for intense, risky relationship.
Yeah, you mean, did Jeffrey Dahmer get letters in jail just saying like please eat me Jeffrey, please?
Yeah, and this is, this is why, you see, I mean a lot of the true crime documentaries.
It's kind of wild to me how many of these serial killers have so many lovers right that they're exchanging letters with um.
And it directly comes from, like you said that, that weird desire uh, to be with the bad boys.
If you will, you even get funnier version, funny subversions of that like um, didn't Martin Skrelli had that journalist fall in love with him while he was in jail?
And I think she did.
She leave her, she like left her boyfriend or even left her husband over it, and this was a purely non-physical relationship.
He was in prison the whole time and then he got out and I think they they quite promptly broke up once he was out of prison.
Weird, weird.
Oh yeah, so Martin Skrelli exactly, but Martin Skrelli did nothing wrong, so Jack's part of the cult.
I love it.
No, Martin Sprelly was not a murderer.
Martin Skrelly was a pharma bro.
Oh, okay.
Got it.
Got it.
Yeah, it's a little like his crime.
It felt odd.
I just felt like it wasn't spectacular enough to get a woman swooning for you over it.
But she was really into it.
And then he, man, I haven't heard about that guy since he kind of tried to get Baron Trump into that crypto thing.
But I guess that's getting a little off topic.
He's on Twitter.
I see him there every once in a while.
He does like spaces and stuff.
And guys, just do me a favor.
Throw that picture of Tyler Robinson up again from the court today.
Please do that.
Much of the depending on all of us.
Just do it.
Because there is something I want to say when we look at this picture.
This is not the behavior of a Patsy, guys.
This is not the behavior.
This is not the way it would look.
This is not the way that a person would comfort themselves if they were thinking, oh, I was set up.
Oh, I shouldn't be here.
Oh, you got to get me out.
I was falsely accused.
This guy doesn't look upset at all.
I didn't see in a single one of these images or videos, any image of him actually looking upset.
It's not there.
He's happy.
He's grinning.
He's smug.
He's smug about what he did.
And look, you know, say what you want about me.
I don't really care.
Honestly, I've never cared.
People call me all sorts of things.
But this guy's sitting there looking smug.
He's sitting there looking smug.
It's as simple as that.
The other thing that bothers me is the longer that this case goes, it's just going to continuously be more attention.
I mean, obviously, I want attention to honor Charlie, but it's just going to be more fodder for all the trolls, right?
Every time that this is live, every time it's out there, every time there's something new, and this grin, obviously, you know, the first time we're seeing him, it should make us all burn inside.
And I'm sure the people that, you know, praise him and the people that celebrated the death of Charlie, you know, they love seeing that, right?
This gives them something else to share, something else to celebrate.
And they're just pieces of garbage.
I'm going to continue to say that.
Absolute and utter pieces of garbage.
Plays you say you had something.
Yeah, well, we have a good message.
We have this one from Kyrie McAllen.
Another, I see her in the chat all the time.
Kyrie donated to 10 and says, please give us who love Charlie, his family, the Charlie Kirk show team, and all the teams of Turning Point some practical ways that we can share the arrows, as Ali Stuckey says, that are being directed at all of you.
You know, I think the best way is know the details of this case.
Read the indictment.
Charging documents are online.
The evidence against him is online.
And you can also go read, search a guy named Turkey Tom.
There's a video you can look up called, I believe it is The Man Who Killed Charlie Kirk.
Obviously, he's presumed innocent, but that is the title of the video.
Let me make sure I have that exactly right.
Okay, it is titled The Man Who Killed Charlie Kirk.
And there's also a, if you prefer reading, there's a substack post that you can find by the same person.
And what it gets into is it gets into the evidence about his personal life, his relationship with his boyfriend, the evidence, you know, that the stuff people have said is weird, such as him calling his boyfriend my love in their messages, the guy saying that is in fact how they talk to each other.
If you guys want to help share the arrows, learn those facts because the most common thing you see is you see the Robin simps, as they're calling them, who are going to just say, oh, he's a Patsy.
Oh, there's no evidence for this.
Oh, I think it's all fake.
In truth, I think they're saying this because this is a drawn-out process and not enough of it is on TV, basically, for them to feel like it's real.
But it is real.
The evidence in this case, we believe, is quite strong.
If we thought it was fake, if we thought they had the wrong guy, we would obviously be freaking out because we care deeply that the correct person be brought to justice for this.
So the best way you can share those arrows is know those facts.
So if it comes up in passing, you're able to say, oh man, did you hear about this?
Did you hear about the stuff that they were into?
Did you hear about this nesting?
Because it really is a bizarre case.
You could make a fascinating, there will be fascinating true crime documentaries about all of this one day because it is lurid.
It is incredibly upsetting to see the life, the lives that these people were leading and to think that this allowed a person to go and to just go and randomly strike down a person as great as Charlie.
So maybe you have your own thoughts, Cliff, but that's my thought on how to share the load.
Yeah, I mean, of course, referring to the public perception of what's happening in the trial, but I also want to say what would Charlie want us to do to share the arrows is to go do the work, right?
Obviously, I'm not always going to pitch that we got to be out chasing ballots, but I wouldn't be doing my job if I didn't.
Get out there, you know, get involved.
Find a way to advance our cause when it comes to the political scene, when it comes to the ideology of trying to reach new people.
That's the way to share it, right?
I'm not saying you have to ignore the trial.
Obviously, we're all going to follow along.
We're rooting for justice for Charlie.
But at the same time, we have to double down.
We have to go out there.
Turning point has to survive.
Turning point has to thrive in terms of not just campus, but all the turning point action, all the efforts, the things that we're doing.
That's what this is all about.
And when I think about what Charlie would be telling me right now, it would be, yes, honor him, follow the trial.
But at the end of the day, we cannot get distracted.
And what I mean by that is not that we're going to not give him the homage that he deserves, but he would want us to do the work.
And so for all of you out there that have done certain things, whether it was 2024 or before, 2026 is coming up.
And that's a huge opportunity for us to get involved and to truly make a difference when it comes to figuring out ways to do the work as Charlie would want us to do.
Exactly, exactly.
Like in the end, a lot of the nastiest stuff that's said, it's said because it wants to hurt the mission.
It's people on the left who promoted, oh, actually a MAGA guy did this.
They say that for ideologically motivated reasons.
And people from other aspects do it.
They want to, ultimately, for whatever thing is going through their head, they want to tear down the things that Charlie fought for, the things that Charlie died for.
And so along with what I suggested, Cliff is absolutely right.
Do the work.
You want to be engaged.
If you're in Indiana, we've been talking about that.
They just had that vote on their redistricting map and it failed.
It failed not because of Democrats.
It failed because of Republicans.
And so we've been saying Turning Point Action will be taking action on that.
If you're in that state, that is an easy way to get involved with something right now that is relevant.
But I know other people are saying they want to find out other facts.
Some people mentioned Paramount Tactical.
I was just looking at their videos the other day.
They have great videos just talking about the details of the case, how we can know what happened or why some things people are saying about the bullet, for example.
There's been a lot of claims.
Oh, this bullet could not possibly have been what killed Charlie.
And there's some great Paramount Tacticals one.
There's other gun experts who've dived into that.
And believe me, you'll hear from more.
You'll hear more from us on that in just a matter of a few days.
But we have, I think, one more message here, and then we'll close it out because we have this hard out here.
EB Dim the 9th.
Ebdim the 9th.
I'll go with that.
Ebdim the 9th.
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