Charlie's Warning: The Christians Who Aren't Speaking Out Against Abortion
Here's another never-released speech from the Charlie archives, where he strongly calls out the false Christians who refuse to speak out against the evil of abortion. Charlie also takes questions, including an important one on what makes Donald Trump such a pro-life president. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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He is an adroit political analyst.
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He's the founder of Turning Point USA and Turning Point Action, a real friend of the little babies and of pre-born.
And so would you join me in welcoming our guest speaker tonight, one and only Charlie Kirk.
Hello, everybody.
Great to see you.
Oh, geez.
Thank you for having me.
And Dan, you're doing an amazing job, as always.
This has been a very eventful couple months.
You know, it's funny after the election, a lot of people just kind of have been taking it easy.
And I don't do that very well.
I don't rest very well.
So we have been more busy than ever.
I did 100 hours of campus debates this last semester alone.
And you've probably seen the videos and seen the impact and the billions and billions of views.
I'm going to get back to that in a second.
And I'm learning how to say no.
I'm getting better at it because I want to speak everywhere at all times.
But this, as soon as Dan asked me, I said, Dan, absolutely anytime, any place for pre-born.
And it's funny, I was originally going to speak at the gathering.
I think it was like January 18th, right?
And so it's a funny story.
Dan invited me to go speak at the deal, I think it was in Naples, and January 18th.
He's like, hey, Charlie, we'd love to have you lock you in.
I'm like, look, if we win the election, I'm going to be probably pretty busy on January 18th.
Turns out I was right.
And so I'm glad I didn't commit and have to decommit.
But I said, Dan, I'll make it up to pre-born.
And so this is my making it up for pre-born after I was too busy to go to the one back in Naples, but for good reason, though.
So much to talk about here.
I can't wait to hear your questions.
But I'm uniquely positioned to be able to tell you about the cultural, philosophical, and religious landscape of where the pro-life movement is.
What pre-born is doing is so important to intercept people that think that they want to terminate their child.
But if we're honest about ending abortion in America, of course there's a political dynamic, but it's about getting the country to be pro-life in their own personal capacity to make sure that our churches are actually pro-life, which I'm going to talk about.
And how is it that we have lost in America this stance and this premise of life?
And let's just first acknowledge the importance of all of us being here tonight.
It should not be lost on anyone here that if you don't believe in God, there is no chance you would be spending your Saturday night paying money to go save babies.
The secularists don't do this.
If you don't believe in God, there's no way you would donate the money that you're donating to go save a baby you would never meet, that you would never come in contact with, because they don't believe they're image bearers.
You see, the downfall of the belief of God in the West is directly correlated.
It's a one-to-one correlation with the rise of pagan child sacrifice, child butchery, whatever phrase you want to use.
It's as we have become more secular, it's harder and harder for us to make the pro-life case.
And I saw this on Grape Display.
Did some of you guys see my mostly peaceful debate at Cambridge?
Maybe, maybe not.
Thank you.
If you haven't watched it, it's fine.
It was a total ambush, and I loved every minute of it.
I don't think tonight will be as hard as that.
So I show up to Cambridge, and the way they present it, they're so deceitful, they're so smug, and they think they're so smart.
And they're like, hey, we're just going to have you at our Cambridge Union, you know, a little question and answer.
As soon as I showed up, I'm like, oh, this is a total ambush.
I was like five minutes beforehand, 400 students against me.
It was one versus 400.
And again, these are not dummies, right?
But they have no wisdom.
That's a very important distinction.
They have brain power.
They could do mathematic formulas.
They could recite facts, but there's no wisdom.
And wisdom is the understanding of things that never change.
And where does wisdom come from?
The fear of the Lord.
And if you do not fear God, you have no wisdom.
So I go into Cambridge of all these brainiacs who know a bunch of facts, but they believe men can give birth.
I go into Cambridge and these people that think they're so smart, they say it's just a clump of cells.
Terminate it.
Eliminate it.
Get rid of it.
What's the big deal?
And looking back at the footage and kind of recapping my time there, and then I went to Oxford, same thing, the next day in Oxford.
They were a little bit more polite at Oxford than in Cambridge, just a little bit.
And I recognize these are the top institutions of the West where Isaac Newton himself was educated, where they split the atom, where even though they have all of the sophistication imaginable, their IQs are higher than most people ever meet.
But they're lacking the most fundamental thing that is just destroying the West from within, a suicidal impulse, which is that they don't believe there is a God, and they believe that they are God if there was to be a God.
And those two things are just gnawing at the basis of the West.
So I look at the landscape of how are we going to save more babies?
Because make no mistake, your support of pre-born, Jesus cares and will care when we meet him what you did to save babies.
Jesus cares what you are doing, whether or not to save those lives that cannot defend themselves.
And it's so, when you dive deeper into the examination of the pro-abortion psychology, and again, I'm very uniquely positioned because not only do I hear every argument imaginable, I challenge you to find anyone who's done 100 hours of debates on these topics in one semester.
So that is about, I've done about 250 hours, so literally days of these debates on these topics in just the last calendar, three total semesters, right?
And it almost always comes down to this.
Well, but I matter more than somebody else.
What do you mean?
Who cares if it's another human life?
Because I can't even get them to acknowledge the species of the life, that it's uniquely made.
It's not their DNA.
But then all of a sudden we hit up to a moral stopping point, a critical one.
They say, well, but I'm in charge, and my sovereignty matters more than somebody else.
So of course I should be able to eliminate it.
And we have this idea that bodily autonomy matters more than the will of God because they don't acknowledge God.
And when I dive, the most shocking and depressing thing that I then hear from them is the callous, cold nature of their opinion of the discarding of human life.
Now, I have some very, very good heuristics to be able to get them to think about this stuff.
I have a new one that I just can't wait to use in the fall.
It came to me when I was going on one of my late-night walks, which is like, okay, let's find out.
Let's pretend.
I got to share it with you guys.
You're going to love this.
And you guys can use it to all your pro-abortion fans, if they're liberal.
It only works if they're liberal, okay?
So let's pretend I have a genetics test and I could tell in utero everything about my baby, the baby.
I could tell the baby is going to be gay.
Am I allowed to abort my baby if I find out it's gay and I don't want a gay baby?
I just can't wait to hear their answer, right?
Just can't wait.
I just thought that was one of the greatest ones I've ever come up with, right?
It's like, no.
Oh, so we're pro-life now for the gay babies.
Got it.
That's wonderful.
I can't wait to use one this semester.
I was like, why didn't I have that at Cambridge?
So I could spend all night, or the 12 minutes I have before QA, bashing on these colleges.
But let's be honest, there's something deeper that's happening here, and it's time for some introspection in our own community as to why this is happening.
I was meeting with Dan.
Doesn't Dan do a great job, by the way?
What an amazing warrior and fighter.
No, no, he's great.
And he is a true warrior with humility.
That is so hard to find.
Always acknowledging God, always understanding that we are here for his purposes and his wishes.
And so I was saying this to Dan earlier, which is, look, it's easy to say, well, you know, President Trump is not as pro-life as I would like him.
And look, I'm 100% pro-life.
I go to these college campuses and I'm the guy that says no exceptions to abortion.
And I still command audiences of 4,000 students because they're so interested in a topic they've never heard.
And yet I am willing to give President Trump and JD Vance and the whole administration grace that other people will not.
You know why?
Because I am not going to hold a president or a politician to a higher standard than my local pastor when it comes to abortion.
And why is it that we have allowed our pastors to remain silent on this issue and our churches to remain silent on this issue, but we're very critical of our politicians, which matter more, actually, because the politicians are just reading a script that is provided to them by voters.
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I want to ask you a hypothetical.
If President Donald Trump announced tomorrow that he's taking away everybody's guns, what would happen?
Everyone would march on.
I mean, it would not, you know what would happen, okay?
Like, it would not be, it would be pretty self-evident.
And yet, President Donald Trump reverses Roe versus Wade, and what happens?
Basically, no gratitude, silence.
American church, vast majority of churches didn't even say thank you.
Most churches, actually, we did a study at TPSA Faith, our faith arm, they gave apologizing sermons.
And I'm sure you know about this.
You know, we're a pro-life church, but I know this might make you uncomfortable.
And, you know, we just want to make sure that everyone here is heard and healed and blah, That should have been the greatest day of rejoicing and fasting.
We as a church should have been fasting for a week saying, thank you, God, for giving us the reversal of Roe versus Wade.
So it's tempting to say, hey, President Trump is not as pro-life as I get it.
And I get it.
I can sympathize with that.
I think you also must give him credit for all the amazing stuff he's doing, but fine.
Got it.
Respect.
But are you also going to your local pastor or the big mega church and calling out that heretic for not being pro-life?
Or are you only disagreeable from afar, but you're not disagreeable up close and personal?
You know, the vast majority of pastors in this country will never ever speak out about the crisis of abortion, ever.
And we wonder why there is this kind of moral and cultural decay and downfall, because the only way we win the fight for life, the only way we win is if the American church rises up.
It's not going to be reason.
It's not going to be secularists.
Instead, it's going to be the very promise of the Bible because it comes down to the very fundamental question.
When I go on the college campus and the girl kind of shrugs her shoulders and she says, well, I don't really care, you know, if that, you know, baby or whatever, eventually I can get them to say the word baby, which, you know, they do everything they can not to use the word baby, right?
Dehumanizing language is the staple of a pro-abortion individual.
It's a fetus, it's a clump of cells, it's a parasite, it's an invader.
As soon as they use humanizing language, all of a sudden that must invite then human morality.
But of course it is a human being.
However, even if I can get them to acknowledge it, they don't believe that human being is an image bearer.
They think it's an accident.
They think it's an accident of millions of years of evolution.
The divide in the West is those of us that believe that our existence is a miracle, that you are designed with intentionality, with purpose, with a soul, and we believe everything that we do matters up against a whole other cohort in this country that says, oh, it's just a roll of the dice.
It's an inconvenience.
Do you know how often I hear the argument when I speak to these students?
And they say, well, the baby will be better off aborted because it will be born to a poor family.
We have not moved past eugenics.
This is mass Malthusian population control that we like to think as if our society is so advanced and so elevated and so educated, but be very careful at the tyranny of hyper-educated non-religious elites.
The tyranny of hyper-educated non-religious elites is a cancer to Western society.
And so we're in the middle of a struggle for what is called Western civilization.
But do you know a better term of what Western civilization really is that nobody wants to say?
Christendom.
Christendom.
No one wants to call it out loud because they think it's too Christian national.
It's Christendom.
This nation was started as a Christian project.
When the pilgrims came here from the Mayflower, they specifically said they were going to come here to spread the gospel and to turn this continent into a Christian continent.
Honestly, they did a phenomenal job.
This is the best place for Christianity on the planet and has been.
It has been the number one funder of the gospel around the world.
It has been the place of Billy Graham and the biggest churches and the biggest messages.
But in the last 20 years, we have decided to indulge, 30 years, in a very tempting yet failed model.
And finally, we're starting to reckon with the problem.
The model is very simple.
It's that, hey, we want to get the biggest church possible.
We want to get the biggest building possible.
And we want to get people in and we can't offend them.
So we're not going to talk about any of the parts of the Bible that might be hard or difficult.
We're just going to do John 3:16 every single week.
But think about it.
If you don't present Jesus Christ as a Savior, so they'll use the word Savior.
But if you don't talk about sin, why do you need a Savior?
If you don't talk about sin, what are you getting saved from?
If you're not talking about that you're being suffocated by your own original sin, then why would you need to be redeemed?
Because you're awesome the way you are.
He gets you.
He's amazing.
You're amazing.
Jesus, when you're watching porn, he's like, yeah, keep doing it.
He gets you.
He affirms your sin.
We went from an affirmation, went to an affirmational model when instead we need a hot gospel that says, almost every hour of the day, you are sinning.
You have original sin.
And only by the grace of God that you did not earn, that you do not deserve, is this free gift of salvation that can redeem you.
And only through there do you get the promise of heaven via Jesus Christ.
That is the hot gospel, but it requires confronting a culture and not conforming via this social gospel that we have seen over the last 30 years.
You want to know why the church has become less pro-life?
Because it doesn't preach the gospel like it used to.
It doesn't preach the entirety of the word of God.
Some pastors I meet can't even spell Leviticus.
Let alone do they teach out of it.
The founding fathers, not only did they like Leviticus, they put Leviticus on the liberty bill, proclaim liberty throughout the land of which you are in.
It's the entirety of the word of God that is necessary for us to be able to have a healthy and robust church.
And the problem is the modern church, they say, but we want more converts.
We want more converts.
We want more converts.
And I go back to the scripture.
They say, well, Jesus said to create disciples of all nations.
Conversion is the first step towards discipleship, but if you are just doing popcorn and ice cream spiritually every single Sunday, people are going to leave because they want to go deeper.
They don't just want to have the superficial thing.
They want to go deep into the details of the promises of what it means to be a Christian and the struggles.
And then finally, the other struggle, the other issue that we have is worldview.
I finally had this breakthrough like two years ago, which is we as Christians have been led to believe there's something called a neutral public square.
And number two, that people can look at things through just fairly and equally in a kind of unbiased way.
Every single person you meet, every child, every pastor, every politician, every school board member, every CEO, looks through the world through a predetermined prism or a worldview.
The question is, whose do you want to win?
And we as Christians have kind of been like, oh, we don't care.
Come to my church, but I'm not going to go equip you with a biblical worldview because I don't want to offend you.
Instead, what a pastor should be doing is every day, installing a biblical worldview, when you read the news and you listen to the radio and you watch the TV, you distill everything and you process it through a biblical worldview.
Does that glorify God or does that make us further away from God?
Is that in God's commands?
Is that in God's law or not?
And this is the tragedy of it, is that a pastor thinks that is being political.
It's being biblical, not political.
It is not political to go through the entirety of the scriptures.
And what I find is that so often students, professors, whoever, I'll debate anybody, they come up to the microphone and they'll say, well, I just want everyone to live and let live.
I want everyone to kind of live as if they want to live.
I say, by what moral standard do you think that's right?
They say, well, it's just the kind of way I feel, but you're appealing to something when you say that.
Why is that better than the Quran?
Why is that better than the Bible?
And we, as Christians, have kind of retreated into our own corner, being like, well, I don't want to promote the Bible too heavily because it might be, you know, it might be off-putting.
And if we want to win people for Jesus, we can't turn people off.
And what we're seeing is the opposite.
The churches that are weak and woke and that are afraid to talk about the entirety of the scripture, scriptures, they're turning their churches over to hotel developers.
Pastors that actually go into the toughest issues of the day, people are flocking to them by the thousands, by the thousands.
Right now, many of you people maybe know young men right now are gravitating to the Catholic Church in record numbers.
By the way, better the Catholic Church than to mosques, okay?
No, and serious.
Why?
And by the way, as an evangelical and as a Protestant, I think this is very interesting.
And most Protestants have no idea why this is happening.
They say, why is it that I'm losing my young men to Catholic churches?
And I look down and I say, well, the skinny jeans are a good place to start.
They want a pastor where they don't think they can beat you up.
Number two, what's with all the smoke screen and the dancing and the screens?
Is this a rock concert or is this church?
They don't want to just go to a Home Depot with a bunch of TED Talks.
They want to go somewhere holy.
They want to go to somewhere that doesn't change.
They want to go somewhere that tells them the truth that is uncompromising in a culture that's not going to be like a Cirque du-Sole act every single Sunday.
You can say whatever you want about the Catholic Church, and I have huge disagreements with them, fundamental theological disagreements.
But they've lasted a long time.
And when you go into a Catholic church, they're not dancing around like is it some Vegas act.
And there's certainly, for a young man who says, everything in my life is changing.
Everything.
My friends are changing their gender.
The whole world is just falling apart.
But when I enter into a Catholic church, at least there's some constancy and there is some order.
And we as Protestants and evangelicals could learn a lot from that trend right now.
We're honored to be partnering with Alan Jackson Ministries.
And today, I want to point you to their podcast.
It's called Culture in Christianity, the Allen Jackson Podcast.
What makes it unique is Pastor Allen's biblical perspective.
He takes the truth from the Bible and applies it to issues we're facing today: gender confusion, abortion, immigration, Doge, Trump in the White House, issues in the church.
He doesn't just discuss the problems.
In every episode, he gives practical things we can do to make a difference.
His guests have incredible expertise and powerful testimonies.
They've been great friends.
And now you can hear from Charlie in his own words.
Each episode will make you recognize the power of your faith and how God can use your life to impact our world today.
The Culture and Christianity podcast is informative and encouraging.
You could find it on YouTube, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Be sure to subscribe so you don't miss any episodes.
Alan Jackson Ministries is working hard to bring biblical truth back into our culture.
You can find out more about Pastor Allen and the ministry at alanjackson.com forward slash Charlie.
And do you know what else?
The Catholic Church is like, yep, abortion is murder.
It's dogma.
We don't compromise from that.
Marriage is between a man and woman.
We don't compromise from that.
If you don't like it, then get out.
Yet they're the ones that are actually experiencing the growth curve because you know why?
Young people right now want crisply delivered truths, not watered down half-truths, because they're afraid that one person in the back of the room might send an angry email.
Every pastor should go up on a pulpit and say, Lord, help me, help me, please preach this church down to a manageable size.
That should be your goal.
And if it grows, then it's not you, it's him.
Because the intent should be, I should be saying things that are so offensive to the world that the demons scatter and that the culture wants nothing to do with it.
We're running out of time.
I could talk endlessly.
Nothing is more important than the fight for life.
But understand that it is Christians and Christians only that will win this battle.
Jesus must be the center of it all.
It's not secularists.
It's not the Buddhists.
It's not the Hindus.
And I do want to leave you with a very hopeful thing and then we'll do some questions.
The pro-life movement in Europe does not exist.
It literally does not exist.
We are like the last pro-life cohort on the planet that actually talks about these things and that is trying to get people to save their baby.
The rest of the world, the Muslim world is its own thing, but the rest of the basically developed world has no issue with just eliminating babies.
We're like the last gasp that has the kind of moral courage.
And I get in a lot of trouble when I say this, but I believe that there are a lot of parallels towards the abolition of slavery and the abolition of abortion.
People say, how dare you compare the two?
I'm sorry.
They're both evil and one resulted in murder.
One doesn't even allow you to live.
And I believe if we look at the long march that got us towards the abolitionist slavery, we can learn a lot from Wilberforce.
We can learn a lot from Frederick Douglass, which is we do not compromise.
We stay prayerful.
We're always constantly trying to impact culture and make politics more in the form of what God and Jesus would want.
And that's why I love what Pre-Born is doing every single day.
And I encourage you guys to continue to support it generously.
Let's do some questions, right, Dan?
Amen.
Let's get the mics throughout the room.
And if you have a question for Charlie, just raise your hand.
We'll see if we can stump him.
We've got to be better than a bunch of college kids, right?
Who came first, the Catholics or the Protestants?
Well, the Catholics, for sure.
Well, Protestants, who made Protestants and go.
Oh, do you want a mic?
I'm not.
So are we debating or are we?
Yeah.
Okay.
No, I mean, no, Catholics predated Protestantism, for sure.
Right.
And don't you think that Protestants were a little bit more liberal than the Catholics?
I'm Catholic.
Oh, yeah, okay, that's right.
Do I think that Protestants were more liberal than Catholics?
Yeah.
No, not necessarily.
They wanted to get divorced.
Okay, yeah, so it depends how you mean.
King VIII started.
I'm sorry, what?
King Henry VIII was the one that started Protestant.
No, that's not correct.
No, that's not true.
Martin Luther actually started Protestantism.
So Martin Luther was the.
He was the one that's.
So do you know the 95 Theses?
Yes, I know.
Yeah, so you're talking about specifically England.
You're right.
So Henry VIII was the English schism away towards the Church of England, but Martin Luther started Protestantism with the 95 Theses.
Do you know what the selling of indulgences is?
No, because they're Catholic.
Right, so the Catholic Church first.
Right.
So the Protestants broke up.
Let's not be too combative here, right?
Well, it's okay.
So the selling of indulgences was the Catholic Church selling salvation for money, right?
So Martin Luther found that to be objectionable.
Remember, Martin Luther was a Catholic priest.
No, I know.
Martin Luther said we should not be selling people's souls for money.
So he nailed the 95 theses to the door and started the Protestant Reformation, of which led towards Protestant Christianity as we know it.
And Jay Sarah, who's a big, huge Catholic, came down to the West.
And if you see, you know, Santa Barbara all the way down, you see missions.
They're the ones who are.
Yeah, no, again, I acknowledge it.
That's not the Mayflower.
Right.
So do you think Mary was do you think Mary was sinless?
Do I think Mary was sinless?
I mean, that's what I was taught.
Do you think that we're ascended into heaven?
Yes, I do.
Where's your evidence for that?
Where is the evidence that we're going to have to, but there's a God?
Where is our evidence?
Around us, the Bible, I mean.
We have faith.
No, right.
So there's no scriptural evidence for Mary being sinless.
In fact, it says the opposite in Romans 3, that all fall short of the glory of God, and only Christ Jesus is able to redeem us.
So, according to dogma of the Catholic Church, they believe Mary is sinless.
They believe Mary assumed into heaven, like Elijah, Enoch, and Elijah, Enoch, and Jesus.
So I just ask you, like, why do you believe that?
I just think that Mother Mary, I pray to her, and the things have happened for me.
Yeah, so again, so it also says in the scriptures in 1 Timothy.
Right.
So in the scriptures, it's fine.
In the scriptures, it said only Jesus Christ is our mediary to God, right?
So you don't need a mediary of Mary.
You don't need a mediary of, you know, St. Paul.
So why do you pray to someone that isn't Jesus?
I believe in the Catholic Church.
It was a first.
Bingo.
So I believe in scripture and you believe in an institution, and we just, that's our difference.
Yeah, that's good.
Okay.
Next question.
Thank you.
Next question.
But no, just to recap, though, the Catholic Church teaches Mary was sinless like Jesus and also that she assumed into heaven, both of which are.
No, that's correct.
Sinless.
It's called the Immaculate Conception, which was done in 1854, I think by Pope Leo XII.
It was done in ex-cathedra dogma into the Catholic Church.
Catholics teach that Mary was sinless like Christ, which I find to be an outrageous teaching for anyone that has read the scriptures.
Yes.
So you say, you know, you always say come in front of the line if you disagree.
I was waiting for the line.
So I disagree with you starting to say no, because I just moved to Florida from Canada, and French Canada is extremely atheist, extremely pro-abortion.
I've had tons of patients and friends, almost proud of their abortion.
You went to England.
You say Europe is gone.
What about Canada?
When are you coming to Université Laval to meet people to well because I was willing to do it for you, but you're super talented.
Just like my NHL career never happened, I don't think that career would either.
So when are you coming to Canada?
I don't know if I'm allowed in Canada, but when I went to England, I tried my best to get arrested and I failed.
So look, I'm very, very, despite my visit to UK and Cambridge and Oxford, I'm very America-focused in what I'm doing.
But look, Canada has some major problems.
You know, the biggest problem, this is actually a very interesting point.
First of all, Canada has a non-religious problem because they're nowhere near as religious as America.
Canada is only the population of California.
Understand, it's a major landmass with only the population of California.
In about 25 years ago, California, Canadian conservatives said that the abortion issue is too controversial and we want to just be indecipherable from the liberals on abortion.
That's a lot of people in the Republican Party are going to try to do the same thing, everybody.
And what happened to California conservatives?
It made them weaker.
I'm Canadian, sorry.
Canadian conservatives.
It made them weaker in the process.
We do not compromise on the most important issue, which is the issue of life.
Period.
End of story.
And I mean, you look at what's happened this last election.
It's just the tragedy.
And again, I believe that if you fail to remain a godly nation, then you will not be a free nation.
And Canada is a perfect example of that.
Next question.
Yes.
Sure, I think for the comments on American pastors that need to be said, you're right.
It's been about 30 years.
My question is when I have debates with family members who maybe aren't Christians and I proclaim my pro-life views, what do you feel is the clearest way to explain it specifically in ectopic pregnancy kind of situation?
Right.
So ectopic pregnancy would be the breaking of the uterine wall.
Is that right, Dan?
Fallopian stoobs, yeah.
I will lead.
Honestly, that question should go to Dan.
He can answer it a lot better than I would, or that I could.
I believe, number one, that far too many times, especially post-22 weeks, especially post-22 weeks, far too many women are not given the option of a cesarean section and they're only given the option of an abortion, where the C-section very well could be a medical procedure that could save potentially both the baby and the mother's life.
More specifically, though, the issue that I find where a lot of the kind of fear-mongers on this issue push forward is they think abortion is a harmless, victimless procedure.
And so that is one of the more important elements here.
If there is a dead baby within the womb, the extraction of a dead baby is not an abortion.
That is a very important thing to mention.
And so, and also, I get this on campus.
They say, well, isn't a removal of a cyst an abortion?
No, that's an ablation, I believe it's called, an ablation.
The misinformation around it persists, but I'll let Dan answer that probably more, you know, in more depth than I could.
Yeah, you know, Charlie.
So an eptopic pregnancy is a baby that would never survive.
And it's life-threatening to the mother.
So it's got to be removed or the mother will die, frankly.
And it's not abortion.
Not an abortion, correct.
Yep.
Any dreams or hopes for a turning point in Europe or other countries?
Not really.
I mean, we're very, again, we're very, very America focused right now.
Again, I mean, I'll be visiting probably Europe once a year.
It's so, for those of you, have any been to Europe recently, it's so sad.
I have a lot of thoughts on this, but the Muslim conquest of Europe is shocking.
It is alarming.
The rise of Muhammadism in the West is really breathtaking.
And so we have to save this country.
And honestly, once you save America, it helps save the world.
Because a strong America is a strong world.
Yep.
As I introduced myself to you earlier, I am a millennial, for better or for worse, born in California and raised in the Bay Area.
So I'll admit that I cried on Chunk 1 in 2016.
But thanks to Jesus, my God-fearing husband, and you partially, I am now a Christian conservative, obviously.
I'm here tonight.
All of that said, a majority of my friends are still very liberal talking, and some of my friends don't talk to me anymore because of my views.
My question for you is, how do I approach this conversation about this specific topic in the most loving and productive way possible to where it's not where, you know, they're bashing me for being some type of Christian nationalist?
It's a great question.
So you have to, before you even ever talk about politics, you have to establish with your friends a very simple question.
Is it possible that I might have different political views and you'll still view me the same?
And if the answer is no, then you have to stop being there.
I mean, it's that there is no friendship, actually.
It's just superficial.
Aristotle talked about the different levels of friendship, and real friends are people that have a transcendent third involved, meaning they're both looking at something above them that they can both understand and appreciate.
Doesn't mean they have to agree with it, but they're both looking at that same thing.
The nastiness of the left is one of the least reported cultural stories that's happening of friendships and families and friends and sons and daughters, people that no longer talk to each other because of political differences.
We as Christians should not seek to do that.
We should be the peacemakers.
We should try to find common ground and try to remedy that.
But boy, I could tell you, I've lost family members, neighbors in just the most venomous ways imaginable because unfortunately, they will group in political identity with moral worth.
They'll think you're a bad person because they don't share their views.
And so then just keep on asking questions and then live the testimony through your actions.
Be someone that they want to be with, they want to be friends with.
And the best thing that has ever happened to us as conservatives is that the left has become so unenjoyable to be around.
And no, I mean that.
Is that no one wants to spend time?
They're complaining about climate change or abortion.
They're always complaining.
It's like the Democrat Party is basically weaponized infant complaining for two hours straight at dinner.
And eventually, this is not fun.
And so be somebody that people want to spend time with and be a testimony to the Lord in the process.
Yes?
You mentioned that over the last 30 years, evangelicalism has watered down the gospel for the sake of gaining membership.
But then you also gave hope that that's perhaps changing from your platform and vantage point.
What hopeful changes do you see on the horizon and what do you see is coming next?
I think that there is a new generation of young pastors that are preaching through the Bible correctly.
And honestly, it's been very disappointing to watch.
COVID was a very revealing moment for the American church.
And we saw pastors that would shut down their entire church unnecessarily for a year and a half, two years on end, all the while they were promoting racial justice and all that complete nonsense.
And so I think that the biggest hopeful thing that I have is that the rank and file and those of you that attend churches are demanding more out of your pastor.
And that you're no longer just going to have your pastor sit down and roll over and do the same sort of, well, you know, we're not going to get into the controversial issues here.
No, we want the entire Bible to be taught in this church.
And then finally, in a digital social media era, the best ideas are going to win.
It's the kind of happy talk pastors.
If your pastor is basically indistinguishable from a self-help seminar, then why would somebody come to you on Sunday morning?
They have to believe that there is a spiritual component or a spiritual element to it.
And so I am hopeful that this kind of teaching is the marketplace is rewarding that.
And look no further, everybody.
Before there were weak evangelical churches, what was there before that?
Weak mainline Protestant churches, Episcopalian, Lutheran, certain forms of Presbyterianism.
They actually saw the decline in attendance before a lot of mainline evangelicals.
What is the through line?
When you start to compromise on the truth, you actually don't grow.
People don't want to reward you with their ties and their offerings or their attendance or their time when you water down the truth.
Is that it?
I think we got it covered.
Thank you so much.
Okay.
Charlie, can I say one more thing?
Really quick, please.
Everybody, I'm a donor to pre-born.
I'm proud to do it.
I'm thankful to do it.
I come here.
I could be with my family.
I'm doing it because anytime Dan asks me to pitch in with my time or my voice, it is so important that we have a counter to Planned Parenthood.
By the way, if you want to say something in prayer, say something in prayer the next couple of days and the next week, please pray for intercession, that the defunding of Planned Parenthood stays in the big beautiful bill.
Please bring that to the Lord, okay?
Keep that because that would be a major, major victory.
And President Trump has green lit it and has allowed it and we are seeing it proceeding.
But we are up against a culture of death.
John 10, 10, Jesus says, the enemy has come to lie, steep, chill, and destroy, but I have come to give life and life more abundantly.
We are a culture of life.
We need to celebrate it.
We need to fight for it.
What pre-born is doing every single day, in my opinion, is the most effective, precise, and measurable organization that is countering the butchery and the slaughter that Planned Parenthood has wrought.
So dig deep, donate what you can.
God bless you guys, and thank you for all the prayers and support.