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Nov. 4, 2025 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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Can Trump Voters Become GOP Voters?
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All right, welcome to hour two of the Charlie Kirk Show.
We have Election Day across the country.
By the way, there's a race going on in Mesa, and Blake's going to give us a brief on that in just a second.
But first, I want to welcome in Rich Barris, Big Data Poll, the People's Pundit.
Rich, thanks for racing back.
I know you were out and about and you hustled back to make it for the show.
So thank you, my friend.
We also got Jack Pesobic, Human Events Daily Host here.
And let's do a four-up here.
Rich, I want to know, break down for us what you're seeing out there.
What's going to decide these different races in VA, New Jersey, obviously the judges in Pennsylvania and New York City.
So New Jersey is the one, I'll be just flat out, is the one that I'm most interested because I really do feel like the environment in New Jersey and the states tradition, you know, it's this historical tradition of not wanting to elect three terms for the same party does matter.
I lived there for years.
I know it.
People talk about it.
It's a thing.
All right.
So that is the race that I'm most interested in.
And interestingly enough, we do get partisan data from counties as the day goes on.
So of course, I'm looking at Mammoth.
I'm looking at Ocean and a ton of other places to see if Republican turnout is going to be sufficient.
Also, Jack Siderelli is winning independence by a pretty decent margin.
The independent turnout today is going to make a big difference.
So in the early vote, it was not as high as Republicans would have liked to see it, but we'll see what happens on Election Day.
Yeah, we're getting reports from Cliff Maloney that the turnout is good, not great.
So it's, I mean, this thing really could come down to the wire here, Rich.
So listen, we've seen, I want to pivot really quickly to Jay Jones, the AG race in Virginia.
That is a race that looks winnable, but it looks like Winsom Sears is falling behind, which could implicate down ballot races.
What are you seeing?
So we have been polling this for a private project that we're doing.
We've been tracking it since it's like 11 days now, Andrew.
And it looked like Mayaris had a sizable lead to the point where I was ready to just tell people this race is over.
But what happened is that Winsom Sears did fall behind.
And the more she fell behind, the more Spanberger was pulling others up.
Even the lieutenant governor's race, by the way.
Reed didn't have a whole lot of money, but he traveled the state, ran a retail campaign, a very accessible campaign.
The media got to ask him any question he wanted.
He would sit for hours and talk to voters in these forums.
And the race was fairly tight when we started to poll it.
It was a lot of undecideds, but it was fairly tight.
As Sears began to lag, it did start to hurt the other candidates.
I mean, I can actually tell you, I mean, it's basically a tide race for Attorney General right now.
So I think, and this is connected to some of the other work we've been doing.
I think for a while, Democrats were just unwilling to tell the pollster that they were going to vote for Jones regardless.
And that doesn't surprise me given some of the work we've done, you know, what we've been hearing from Democrats lately.
That doesn't really surprise me, Andrew.
I know that that's a sad commentary on the state of our politics, but for a really what happened is about 10% of Democrats were unwilling to tell us they would vote for Jay Jones.
And that was leading a lot of people to believe we may have a big undervote where they just don't cast a ballot for Attorney General.
But I'm more leaning toward they're just going to vote for Jay Jones.
Well, and I want to bring in Blake for this as well.
But, you know, you see these polls, right, Rich and Blake, where they basically say, oh, look at the Democrat approval rating.
Is it historic lows, 26% approval rating and all this stuff?
And I'm like, that's doesn't, it's not going to translate to I'm pretty sure Republicans won like their biggest House race ever in a year where they had incredibly low approval.
It's sort of just a sport to hate your own party up there.
Yeah, it's just like, I hate, I hate the leadership of my, I don't like Chuck Schumer.
Therefore, I'm going to vote or I'm going to tell a pollster that I'm upset with the Democrat Party.
They'll still pull the trigger for, gosh, I got to get that out of my lexicon here.
They're still going to, they're still going to drop the vote for Jay Jones for the AG race.
They're still going to go for the Democrat candidate, even though he's a socialist/slash communist in New York City.
Am I reading that right?
Yeah, you are.
I mean, and also, too, I think some of these polls, you know, I've been a critic of the polling industry for a while.
I think they're just full of it.
You know, you have some of these polls out there, like Quinnipiak and the CNN poll that came out.
They are doing that on purpose.
I think some of this is to sow complacency among the right.
Are Democrats in a bad place with their brand?
Yes, but you have two things, almost what we saw with Republicans, by the way, where Republicans used to be very unpopular.
Much of it was coming from their own voters saying, Look, I wish you did more of this.
I wish you were more right-wing.
I wish you were more America first.
It would never occur to people that it may not impact their electoral viability.
And here, I think we just did that as well: favorability for both the parties.
Republicans and Democrats are both underwater in our polling.
Democrats, much more so.
But it wasn't because voters were checked out on them.
You know what I mean, guys?
They'll still vote for them if they're the voters saying, I have an unfavorable opinion on the party because I want it to be more progressive, right?
Does that mean they're going to sit home?
Or does that mean they're going to vote for the Republican?
Of course not.
And it didn't mean that when Republicans exhibited the same behavior in polling either.
Awesome.
Blake, why don't you tell us about Mesa?
Rich, I don't know if you're watching this.
I wanted to flag this because Charlie always cared a lot about the local Arizona races.
He heard a lot about making Arizona as conservative as possible.
So this is a local race, but one near and dear to his heart.
So we have a council member in Mesa.
That's the town right here.
It's one of the biggest suburbs of Phoenix, Julie Spilsberry in District 2.
And we are attempting to recall her.
Julie Spilsbery is a Republican, put many, many quotes around.
She endorsed Kamala Harris in last year's election.
Tyler could give you a whole longer list of horror stories about her, but that's the key thing.
She's a Republican who endorsed Kamala, made herself a face of Republicans for Kamala, and she's representing a conservative part of the East Valley, a conservative part of the Phoenix area.
So we want to recall her.
Now, if you live in Mesa, you have to live in District 2.
And if you have it, it is a male-only election.
You cannot go to the polls and vote in this.
You have received a ballot in the mail.
So if you live in that area, go check, see if there's some ballot you ignored, you put in your pile of other mail that you weren't paying attention to, grab it, you can fill it out and still drop it off today.
You can't drop it in a mailbox.
You have to, at this point, drive it directly to the polling center and then you can drop it off.
But that is how you can vote.
We want to recall Spillsbury.
You want to be putting Doreen Taylor in instead.
Yep, that is important.
So, yeah, and a little backstory on that election, Rich, that was a complete grassroots, bottom-up thing.
I mean, it was a grassroots activist that filed the recall position, got it across the finish line.
Of course, turning point action is going to be helping in any way we can because the grassroots is completely revolting against a Republican for Kamala.
Also, this same Republican, Spillsbury, has basically endorsed some of the transgender craziness within the city.
So we're keeping a lookout on that as well.
Rich, I want to take our eyes over to California, Prop 50.
It's going to pass, isn't it?
Overwhelmingly, it's going to pass.
And I always tell it how it is.
I'm looking around at some of those returns in California.
Look at a county like Stannis-Laos.
I mean, I think it bothers me so much because you really start to feel like you're beating a dead horse election cycle after election cycle after election cycle, and people don't listen.
And that is a district.
That's a county that's in a district.
California is 13.
It was represented by John Duarte.
He trailed Donald Trump badly because this is a Central Valley, heavily Hispanic working class area.
Donald Trump carried the district.
John Duarte lost.
And now Republicans, their returns in Merced and Stannis-Laos are absolutely anemic.
Even Madeira, which is the heart of that, I wouldn't even say the Republican or conservative heart of it.
It's pretty MAGA.
That's the heart of that district.
It's terrible.
And it's like at some point you want to say, I told you so, but again, it can be frustrating because sometimes you just don't want to be right, but there just seems there is a lot of complacency out there right now.
And there's a lot of a feeling of like, you know, what exactly am I voting for?
So, Rich, one of the things that we've kind of, you know, probably stressed out a lot about over here, and we devoted a lot of our time at Turning Point Action to getting out that low-prop voter in this era of Trump.
Trump has remade the electorate in so many ways.
You know, what do we do?
Is it just a presidential election cycle that we seem to be so anemic about this turnout?
Or is it Trump directly?
Like, meaning, are we going to see a reversal in 2028?
Is that just the way we're kind of geared on this side now?
The truth is we don't know the answer to that.
And that is why after the 2024 election, what I really tried to convey, Andrew, was that these voters that you guys were, and it was really Donald Trump being at the top of the ticket provided a unique opportunity to help other groups get these voters to the polls because all of the research that we did clearly did say, Donald Trump, if I'm going to go for anybody, it's going to be Donald Trump.
So the number one goal the Republican Party should have had was courting these voters.
And I guess we're going to answer your question over the next couple of years.
I mean, you had to convince these voters that the Republican Party was becoming more like Donald Trump and Donald Trump was not going to revert back to the old Republican Party because they have no loyalties to the Republican Party.
It's just the truth.
And a lot of people resisted this just when you look at New Jersey, for instance.
And I'm not here to criticize.
I'm just flatly saying what happened.
There were a lot of the minds around the president saying, you know what?
You know, we're concerned that if you go there, you're going to drive up Democratic turnout.
Andrew, that presents a fundamental misunderstanding of the realignment.
Democrats are now the party of higher propensity turnout educated voters, more educated, or as Charlie used to say, credentialed.
Don't say educated, rich.
They're credentialed, right?
And that's true.
But Republicans don't seem to get this.
If you're still saying things like, I think it's dangerous to send Donald Trump to New Jersey because you could increase Democratic turnout, you don't understand the Republican coalition.
Like fundamentally, period.
I mean, we're 10 years into this movement now, and there are still some people who don't know this.
Donald Trump has to be, and I'm sad to say this, but Donald Trump has to be present like he was in 2018 to make sure that people get out to the polls who vote for him and are not sold in the Republican Party.
And I know that's an unfair thing to ask him, but it's just the state of the party.
I mean, Republicans aren't ready yet.
They're not ready yet.
I think, I think, yeah.
And that's sad.
I mean, especially in a place like New Jersey where, you know, I think Trump could have a major impact.
He's not been present.
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Jack, you got the next cue.
Yeah, Rich.
I mean, this is something where, and I'm just going to say it, right?
One of the differences between Virginia and New Jersey, New Jersey still has these blue-collar Democrats.
You got a lot of the ethnic whites, Italian, Irish, Polish.
They will cross over to vote for Donald Trump.
Virginia, the Democrats are the white-collar federal workers.
They're the ones supporting Jay Jones and the No Kings protests.
Yeah, I see, Jack, because you get the realignment, you know that.
So I get these people who say, but Virginia, you know, in New Jersey, they voted pretty close on the presidential level.
And it's, well, that's every time you recite an election that was a year ago or two years ago, you're missing, you're missing the moment, all right?
Like trends continue, Jack.
They don't just stop and freeze in time.
And things don't occur in a vacuum where you don't stop at borders like Pennsylvania and New Jersey.
Unbelievably not.
Right.
This is the tri-state area we're talking about.
And we talked a lot about this, Rich, where you would look in the last, in 2024, where you would look at different trends from like Wisconsin and you would apply it to this state because the trends follow in this realignment period that we're all living through.
Jack was asking you about New Jersey to PA to.
Well, it's, yeah, it's like, so, and just as a guy from PA, you know, I saw this shift in Pennsylvania, and then you go over to New Jersey and you realize that, okay, sure, right, you know, North Jersey, you're going to have more Giants fans.
You know, we're not going to be rooting for the same teams necessarily.
But on a political level, these are the type of people you got a lot of, you got a lot of families.
They join the police force.
They join the fire department.
They've got nice civic associations.
It just reminds me a lot of Pennsylvania when I'm there in a way that Northern Virginia just does not.
It's white collar.
Obviously, you have a lot of like Mamdani-style Gimme Grants that are living in Northern Virginia right now.
It's a totally different dynamic.
But so these trends that we saw across, and by the way, the deindustrialization trends that we saw across Pennsylvania have also affected New Jersey.
And so that's why the same economic and political trends will affect the same area.
So that gives Trump a bucket to, or excuse me, gives Trump and Chitterelli buckets to be able to dig into on the Democrat side that you just don't have in Virginia.
Yeah, that's 100% correct.
You look at a place like Bucks County, and I'll get even more specific.
Buckingham, you have Lower One.
Bucks County, which flipped.
Yeah, which flipped at the same time that Morris County, New Jersey flipped.
Why?
Because everybody knows that Bucks County, especially that part of Bucks County that I just cited, is home to like a ton of these professional classes, even from the pharmaceutical sector, a ton of these professional classers, but it's their ancestral ethnic Catholics, right?
And they're Poles, they're Italians, and Donald Trump was doing extremely well with them.
And Morris County, and there was even a clip on Fox News in a diner in Marlborough, which is also very similar, that had been trending Democratic for a little bit, but then swung back because of Donald Trump.
Well, because of Donald Trump in 24, bringing them back and also those lower prop voters who are even educated.
I mean, this is pretty, pretty, it's not as simple as some people try to really drum it down to.
It's a little bit more complicated, but you can use this area.
It's they call it the tri-state area for a reason.
So you can use these different demographics to, you know, and I wouldn't say superimpose.
You can't just like a one-for-one superimpose job on them.
But of course, if you see Hispanics in the boroughs or in certain areas of Pennsylvania, which was a huge story in 2024, when you see them shifting to Donald Trump, working class Hispanics, even then starting to trickle into Puerto Rican communities, if you see them see that occurring in southeastern Pennsylvania, then of course you're going to see it in Gloucestershire in New Jersey, right?
We're talking about very similar areas with very similar communities, demographics, value systems, and more importantly, ancestry, their background, their voting histories, their beliefs.
So I just think there's a lot of stale old thinking on the right.
And, you know, I've been myself doing a little thinking and coming to the conclusion that this, after 10 years of the MAGA movement, none of what we're saying right now should be a shock to anybody.
And I'm stunned that it still is.
I really am.
When I have people who are not nobodies, folks, tell me, stop criticizing Donald Trump not showing up in New Jersey because we didn't want it to hurt.
You know, we didn't want it to boost Democratic turnout and hurt Republican turnout.
I'm thinking, what on earth are you doing in this position?
Because you don't understand what has been happening in this country in the last 10 years.
You have zero clue.
All right.
So I meant to actually send you guys a chart.
It would have been perfect for this show.
But these voters we've been comparing with Republican identification.
If you are a first-time Republican or a Trump voter, really, Republicans don't have first-time voters.
Trump has first-time voters.
MAGA has first-time voters.
America First has first-time voters.
Republicans don't have first-time voters.
Rich, just before you get the break, you know, we are going to be doing the super stream tonight.
I know you're in high demand, but we'd love to get you on.
We'd love to get that chart up.
I will definitely come on by, Jack.
I think this is so critical and so important.
And the clock is going to be on because people don't realize that Rich and I are wearing the same shirt today.
Get out of here.
It's literally the same exact shirt.
That is the same shirt.
100%.
Listen, hopefully, it's not like Democrat blue.
Hopefully, it's like...
No, it's purple like New Jersey.
It's more like a blue.
Well, listen, Rich.
It's more like a bluish purple.
Is This Socialism or Hope 00:12:26
So this is my glass half-full take on everything.
I believe that Republican voters, because just the huge amount of attention from a media perspective, cultural perspective, on presidential races, that you do tend to, even if we're the low prop party now, we're going to narrow that gap, that turnout gap for presidential, whether it's JD or whoever, in 2028.
And I will say this: glass half-full.
We're playing on their turf.
New Jersey, Virginia, New York City.
These are areas that we don't dominate.
We have to be honest about that.
And the fact that we have them on their heels and we're playing offense, I still am going to take that as positive.
Now, we're not done, but it is what it is.
Rich Barris, we'll see you tonight, my friend.
All the best.
Take care, guys.
Welcome to the show.
Jim Jordan, chair of the House Judiciary Committee.
Congressman, it's an honor to have you, and it's the first time we've had you back since everything happened.
So, you know, please, you know, the floor is yours to remember Charlie however you want.
Wow, happy warrior fighting for the truth.
I don't know why I was doing an interview shortly after the tragic taking of his life.
And I said in that interview, Charlie lived that verse, 2 Timothy 4:7, fight the good fight, finish the course, keep the faith.
Paul tells that to the young guy, Timothy.
And Charlie was the young guy, Timothy, who lived that verse.
And he did it with a smile on his face.
He did it in a way where he conveyed the truth and set the example that I think we conservatives, Republicans, just Americans, everybody should follow.
So that's what our daughter, I think I should, I don't know where I should as I may have as on doing a Fox interview, but our youngest daughter is the same age as Charlie, maybe a year older.
She sent me a text the day that it happened, and she said, this is tragic, certainly for Charlie's family, but also for our generation, he was our limb ball.
And I thought that's a good way to say it.
Maybe other people said the same thing, but I know that day when I got that text from Jesse, she actually lives overseas.
I thought that was a good way to put it.
So he was a good man.
Well, I mean, that's a great honor.
I remember, you know, people asked what Charlie wanted to do with his future, if he's going to run for president.
I mean, I had those conversations over the years with Charlie as well.
And one time I asked him, I said, you want to be this?
You want to be Rush Limbaugh.
I forget what I, the alternative.
I think it was some sort of political leader.
And he said, I want to be more like Rush Limbaugh.
And Rush and Charlie were great friends.
Rush was actually a seven-figure donor to Turning Point USA, if you believe me.
No kidding.
I didn't know that.
I didn't know that.
His wife Catherine gave us permission to disclose that after Rush's passing.
And yeah, anyways, you and Charlie were great friends and you were close allies.
And, you know, it's an honor to have you back on the show.
And today is election day.
Today is Election Day, Congressman.
And, you know, all across the country, especially on the East Coast, but we have a race here in Mesa.
We've got Prop 50 in California.
Everybody, get out to the polls.
You know, what are you watching?
What are you looking for?
And what's your message to Republican conservatives, independent leaning right kind of voters?
What's your message?
Well, I guess what I'm really watching is probably the New York, New Jersey area, because, you know, this Mamdani guy is, you know, he's a socialist.
So I want to see what happens there.
It looks like he's going to prevail.
I hope not, but it looks like he's going to.
I kind of want to see what those margins are.
But I think as many people have said, that sort of tells you where the Democrat Party is today, if in fact he does go ahead and win this mayor's race in our great city, New York City.
And then right next door, to see if Chitterelli can pull this off.
And people are saying it's close.
I hope Mr. Chitterelli wins.
I think it's interesting.
By the way, Jack Chitterelli, if that isn't like when you see him, hear him talk, look at him, hear his name.
If that isn't New Jersey, just personified, I don't know what it is.
Totally, that's the right word.
Totally New Jersey.
So I hope he pulls it off.
He's seems to me like I've never met him personally, but seemed to be like a total common sense kind of guy that you kind of want running your state.
So I'm kind of watching those two.
I think it looks tough in California for us, unfortunately.
I hope not.
I hope we defeat Prop 50 because if we lose that one, we're going to lose some probably some good members of Congress, some really good members like Mr. Kiley, good member Darrell Issa.
They're all going to have tougher races and they're friends of mine.
So I hope we prevail, but it doesn't look great.
Well, it's going to put a lot of pressure on states like Indiana to get their act together.
Ohio, obviously, the redistricting fights will continue on.
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You mentioned New York and the emergence of Mom Danny.
And it's interesting.
I want to play this clip.
It's 175.
Get it ready.
He's asked to explain the difference between Democrat and Democrat socialist and a communist.
So let's hear his answer.
How have you responded on the other side?
175.
How do you respond to that when somebody comes up to you and says, I can't vote for you because you're a communist?
I said, there are reasons you might not want to vote for me, but let's be honest with my politics.
I'm a Democratic socialist, no matter how many times President Trump calls me otherwise.
Yeah, explain the difference.
What is the difference between a Democrat, a Democratic socialist, and a communist?
Well, I'm a Democratic socialist who's also a Democrat.
And when I say I'm a Democratic socialist, I explain it in the words of Dr. Cainton from decades ago, who said that call it democracy or call it democratic socialism.
There must be a better distribution of wealth for all of God's children in this country.
Congressman, you're well, it sounds like socialism.
You can put the word Democrat in front of it, but it sounds like socialism to me if you're going to distribution of wealth taken from one given to another.
I always tell people 40 years ago, almost 40 years ago, I had the opportunity to compete in the Soviet Union.
And when you go to places like that, you thank the good Lord you live here.
And I remember walking into stores in socialist Russia, the Socialist Republic of Russia, whatever, the USSR, and there was nothing on the shelves.
Like, that's what happens when you go down that road.
And the things he's promising, I think he's even talked about government-run stores.
So like I saw government-run stores in Russia, and there was nothing to purchase.
So yeah, we don't want that.
Sounds great.
There was a great piece in the journal today where it talked about, you know, socialism and capitalism.
Socialism sounds great, never works.
Capitalism may not sound the best right when you first hear it, but it works out.
And it's a much, much better system where you actually embrace freedom and property and everything else.
So yeah, he can put the word Democrat in front of it, but it sounds to me like he's just a socialist.
Well, I agree.
I will give him credit where it's due that he has been focusing on domestic issues, right?
We saw that in the debate, the Democratic primary debate, where he's saying, I'm going to stay right here.
He underblying, of course.
He went to Uganda.
But it doesn't matter.
The point is we got to stay focused on domestic issues.
We're in the middle of this shutdown right now, Congressman.
Is there any hope of getting out of this?
What do you see on the horizon here?
Because we've got not only the whole debate about SNAP benefits, it looks like the president's going to be forced by a judge's ruling to pay out those snap benefits using other funds.
We've also got air traffic controller situations.
We've got another paycheck for our military, November 15th.
What are we seeing?
What are you hearing?
Well, it sounds like there's some movement in the Senate to actually get the government open again, which, of course, is needed.
So I think that could happen.
There's maybe a promise of some vote on these Obamacare subsidies, which, by the way, the Democrats made that the focus of their ridiculous shutdown.
Because remember, never forget the facts.
Chuck Schumer voted for this six months ago.
The real debate is Chuck Schumer against Chuck Schumer.
He voted for it six months ago, encouraged the senators to do so.
Democrats and senators do so.
And now he won't because they say, oh, we got to extend this expansion of Obamacare and continue subsidizing the insurance companies.
And I always point out, remember, everything they told us about Obamacare was a lie.
They said, if you like your plan, you can keep your plan.
You like your doctor, keep your doctor.
Premiums will go down.
President Obama even told us premiums will go down on average $1,500.
Well, none of that worked out.
And it was so bad that they had to keep subsidizing and expanding the subsidy.
So now they want to continue that again.
And it just makes no sense.
But the simplest way for it is for Chuck Schumer to just do what he did six months ago and vote for this.
They're talking about giving them a vote on this subsidy issue.
If they open the government, we'll see how this all shakes out.
And then finally, the other thing I would just add, because you mentioned this, this food stamp issue, 42 million Americans, greatest country in history, 42 million Americans.
Well, many of them aren't Americans.
They're here.
They're some kind of people here on Abyssa or aren't citizens of our country.
But 42 million people, that's larger than the entire population of Canada.
That's one eighth of our entire population.
Really?
That many people in this great country, the greatest nation ever, need help from the taxpayer just to get food?
That's a problem in and of itself that I think we need to address.
And part of it, I think, is the work requirement we put in the big beautiful bill, which hopefully will start helping everybody.
Yeah, no, we talked a lot about food stamps on this show because there's a lot of fraud and there's a lot of abuse.
And a larger problem is that when people get addicted to these programs, you can't ever get them off.
And that's not the way forward either.
Really quick here, Congressman, I want to address this.
You have referred John Brennan, former CIA director, to the DOJ for criminal prosecution.
Two minutes left in this segment, Congressman.
Tell us what's going on here.
You're not supposed to lie, but you're definitely not supposed to lie when you're under oath talking to Congress.
It looks like that's exactly what John Brennan did.
He told us in a deposition in the last Congress, he told us that he did not want the dossier, the crazy Russian dossier we've all heard about.
Didn't want to include it in the intelligence community assessment, pushed against having it in there.
But then Tulsi Gabbard declassifies a report from the House Intelligence Committee from several years ago where it says exactly the opposite.
In there, it says he actually wanted it in the intelligence community assessment.
And they relate a story where a CIA official comes up to Mr. Brennan and says, Director, this dossier doesn't hold up.
There's no underlying intelligence to support the claims of this foreigner, Christopher Steele, who wrote this thing.
It doesn't work.
Brennan's response was, yeah, but doesn't it ring true?
I think fully displaying his motivation about him wanting to get President Trump and go after him and putting it in this intelligence community assessment, which was the report that they changed between Election Day 2016 and Inauguration Day in January 2017.
So that's why we referred him.
You're not supposed to come in and lie to Congress when you're under oath.
It looks like that's what he did.
And when you couple it with everything else we know about what Brennan and Clapper and they all did right when President Trump was going from winning the election to being sworn in as the next president, it's pretty darn bad.
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And that's why we sent it.
We'll see what the Attorney General of the Justice Department do.
Well, listen, Congressman, thank you for staying on that story.
I think I speak for the audience when I say we want justice and we want accountability.
When they talk about the big lie, this was the real big lie.
This was the actual big lie.
And they tried to distract us from it.
They tried to take away President Trump's first term because of this.
We do not forget.
We do not forget.
Forget what you said.
Yeah, President Trump fought through it.
He fought through it admirably.
I don't know if anybody else could have done what he did, but he did.
And we're grateful to him.
Congressman, God bless you.
Thank you for coming on and honoring Charlie the way that you did.
And stay on it.
We'll have you back on again soon.
Thank you.
You bet.
Thank you, Andrew.
We have Cliff Maloney in New Jersey.
I'm just going to let you Tasty Cakes, the Tasty Cakes crew, handle this.
Cliff, welcome to the show.
Where are you at?
What's happening?
I'm going to convert you, Andrew.
You're the preservative crew.
You will be converted.
I'm splitting all my time just jet-setting between Jersey, PA, Jersey, PA.
I'm actually MPA at the moment, but just kind of been back and forth.
No time to rest here, folks.
We got some elections to win.
Cliff, what are you guys, what are you eating on the table behind you, by the way?
I see that.
What is that?
Is that Chick-fil-A?
Let's see.
They had some Chick-fil-A.
They had some Wawa HT.
We've got a sheet down the road, so there's some battles.
But we're showing up on some old PA hardy food, if you will.
That's election fuel right there.
All right.
So, Cliff, doors win wars.
You guys are out knocking lots and lots of doors.
You're going to hit a million today.
Is that right?
I'm going to announce it here on the show.
As of about 10 minutes ago, we now are across 1 million doors.
That is 500,000 in New Jersey and 500,000 in PA in our effort to build the red wall.
So honored to come on the show to say that.
We'll see where we end up.
We're not stopping, right?
We don't hit a million and stop.
So we're going to go until 8 p.m. when polls close in both PA and Jersey.
And look, I don't want to be the bearer of bad news, but the numbers are good, but they're not great, fellas.
And I think it's on us to be honest with the audience.
If we have good numbers, we're not going to win Jersey.
We need great record turnouts.
As Jack Pesovic was tweeting, we need every grandmom in New Jersey to show up to the polls right now.
But we're going to push in all Jersey.
We want to make sure that we do sound the alarm.
Full grandma activation across New Jersey right now.
Yeah, I mean, and really, it's raising a bigger point of, you know, how are Republicans going to really start, I guess, activating the way that we need to in off-cycle elections, right?
And, you know, we saw this in Wisconsin last year or earlier this year, and it was a disappointment.
We're going to have to fix this problem.
But again, I just want to say, you know, New Jersey is a fight that they expect to win.
So if we pull this out, big news.
I joke with everybody that there's no such thing as an off year, right?
We thought last year was this huge paramount year, and then all of a sudden we find ourselves, you know, when you have some success, people call you, say, hey, how do we do that in our state?
But obviously, we were doubling down on PA.
And as we've said from the beginning, you know, if Pennsylvania becomes a red wall, it pretty much makes it impossible for Democrats to figure out the math to win across the country.
But yeah, look, we're out here grinding.
As Charlie would say, knock that extra door.
We know that the ground game works.
But yeah, you're right.
Solving the problem for how we get Republicans activated in these off-year elections.
I mean, that's the name of the game.
And look, we're making progress.
I want to be clear with everybody.
Six months ago, none of us thought Jersey was in play.
Right?
Jack Kosobic, I'll give him a lot of credit.
Jack was one of the guys like, dude, we need to fight.
Like, we need to do these programs.
We need to have a battle here, especially in the wake of Charlie's tragedy.
Like, we need something to get involved with.
So the fact that this is even competitive is a very good sign.
And the numbers are this: if Jack wins election day, just election day voting, by roughly 300,000, maybe even 290,000, he could still win this race.
Like he's in the hunt.
And a couple of years ago, you know, four years ago, he won it by just over 200,000.
So we just need turnout.
The voters are there.
Okay, we've done the work with early voting.
We have a 5% increase in early voting when you compare this year to four years ago on where the Republicans are.
So we've done a lot of that vote by mail and early voting.
But right now, we need every Republican in New Jersey to get out there, whether it's one of the 57,000 that have a mailing ballot sitting there that they haven't returned, or if it's Election Day voting, we need you out there.
So, and I saw that earlier on social media.
There's 57,000 New Jersey Republicans that have a vote by mail ballot sitting somewhere at their home.
What are they?
If that's you listening right now, what's the instruction?
You take that piece of paper and you take it into the polling place, or you go, if you just go into the polling place, you're going to be taken care of?
Explain.
Oh, so it's very specific in New Jersey.
You cannot take it in and try to surrender your ballot.
If you do that, you're going to have probably them try to make you vote provisionally.
What you should do is fill out the ballot immediately and either go to a Dropbox or go to the county office where you can hand it in.
So that is the instruction to those 57,000 folks.
Remember, Jack Chitterille only lost New Jersey by 84,000 votes four years ago.
Okay, those 57,000 people could be the difference in this election.
Take your ballot, fill it out, go hand it in at either a drop location or the actual county office.
We need you.
The Republic needs you.
Yeah, well said.
I'm glad.
Thank you for being very specific there, Cliff.
That's important.
Those local rules are important.
Let's go ahead and play a cut from Charlie as a little pump-me-up from the RNC in 2024 in Wisconsin, another swing state, 181.
America's future is a series of choices.
Our current state of slow motion, national decline is a choice.
This November, we're going to choose success.
We're going to choose to put the future of Americans first.
We are going to choose to no longer be spectators this election.
We together are going to do the work to save America.
I want to play that every single election day going forward.
Choose to save America.
Make the choices to save America.
And that, I mean, guys, think about it.
That's going to be Charlie Kirk's last ever RNC speech.
And it was a perfect, it was perfect.
It was pitch perfect.
That's what the mission is.
It is not Republican, Democrat.
It is, are we saving America or not?
And it's just that simple.
And Charlie, he didn't have a lot of time up there, a couple of minutes, but he sent it.
He gave a full send.
And I remember how excited he was that day.
You remember that?
I remember being in the back room working on the delivery and that part where he goes slow motion, national decline.
Like the knife with the ball.
And he was like, I'm going to pause a little bit in between.
I was like, yeah, hit it.
Just perfect.
I got to bounce, guys.
I'm going to head it over to the show.
Jack's got his show coming up in studio.
Yep.
Our final mission, our final send-off, our call to action is: if you are in New Jersey, get out to the polls.
We need you.
You can be the difference.
You can make the difference in the future of your state.
We can take back ground that the left has stolen.
You can do this, New Jersey.
New York, we need a miracle.
We're praying for a miracle.
Send Jay Jones packing in Virginia.
And in Mesa, we got the recall election.
What's her?
It's Spillsbury.
Spillsbury is the one we want recalled.
We want to recall Spillsbury.
Get rid of her.
Spillsbury.
That's what we want.
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