Brandon Tatum does not hold back when it comes to the wild conspiracy theories raging online about Charlie's assassination. He joins Andrew and Jack to react, discuss Erika's upcoming Jesse Watters interview, and uncover the truth behind morbid Halloween costumes that looked like they could be mocking Charlie's death. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Welcome back, hour two of the Charlie Kirk Show.
Andrew Colvett, executive producer of this fine show, back for hour two, along with Jack Pasovic, as you already heard.
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We're joined also by the great Brandon Tatum, the officer, Brandon Tatum.
Welcome back, man.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you for having me.
It's great having you in Phoenix area because, you know, just like, hey, come on over.
Yeah, I'm just up the road, man.
Yeah.
I mean, I don't think you live particularly close to the studio, so it still is a bit of a sacrifice, but we appreciate it, man.
No, it's my pleasure.
Well, listen, man, you have been, I mean, I don't want to give some of these people too much time.
It's not my job to do that.
But you have been tremendous.
I think in the aftermath, in the aftermath of Charlie's assassination and some of the conspiracy theories that have been spreading, you have been tremendous in just adding a voice of common sense, I would say, because you were an officer.
You had investigated crime scenes.
You've investigated murders.
You've investigated, you've been the first guy on a scene that has to make sense of what's just happened.
And I think you have brought so much just, I say common sense, but really just wisdom and kind of a calm, steady voice.
And I think more people need to know about your videos.
I think more people need to be watching you on YouTube because it's weird when you're in this situation and you talk to people that actually know what they're talking about or that were there or that you, I mean, all of our friends were there.
But then you, so you have the firsthand accounts.
Then you actually have, there's a legal team that's coordinating with the authorities and you see it all and then you see what people are saying online.
You're like, well, that's not true.
That's not true.
And, you know, and then you're, you know, we're in a position where, yeah, it's an ongoing investigation.
There's only so much we can say.
There's, you know, things that could be said and used against us in the court of law if we say certain things.
But you've been tremendous.
And I just wanted to say thank you for that.
And, you know, from that vantage point, tell us like kind of what you're seeing.
What are some of the common mistakes that people are making and kind of as they're processing this?
And I just want to say one last thing and then I'm throwing it to you.
I do have a lot of grace for because a lot of people out there are not investigators.
They don't have a law enforcement background and they love Charlie and they want to get truth.
They want to get justice.
So I do have a lot of grace.
I understand why there's distrust, but please, the floor is yours.
Well, thank you so much for saying that.
You know, this stuff is very simple.
You know, all you have to do is have some type of experience like I do.
I was trained on investigating.
I investigated crimes myself.
If I testified in court, and you have that, plus you have wisdom and you're reasonable and you believe in God.
So then you have godly wisdom in how you should articulate or put out information or disseminate information to the people that God is giving you that follows you.
And like you said, Andrew, like I understand that people are hurting and people are looking for answers and people don't know what they're talking about a lot of the times and they're doing it in good faith, but they're just lost.
It's like almost every police shooting that I cover.
A lot of people don't understand use of force policy.
They don't understand the law.
They don't understand how the law is prosecuted.
And so they are off on it, even though they have good intentions.
Now, there's a difference between someone who's off on it in good faith with good intentions versus someone who knows better and just out there spewing hatred and stupidity because they want to get clicks and subscribers and make money off of it.
That is the difference.
That is the difference between the anger point for me is that if somebody just don't know, I get it.
I mean, people don't understand investigations, but then people who should know better that saying it is the ones that bother me the most.
This stuff is very simple.
You're like, if you really want to know what's going on in the case as a civilian person, right?
We don't have access to records that they've submitted to court.
We don't have text messages.
We haven't.
None of these people that are out here talking has interviewed anybody.
Witnesses, suspects, parents, they have no evidence.
They didn't look at forensics.
So they have no idea what they're talking about.
However, if you, as a civilian person, if you want to know or get a synopsis of what could happen and what evidence they may have, read the affidavit.
Read the probable cause statement that was submitted to court.
When you write a probable cause statement as a law enforcement agency, you cannot lie or deceive or put information in that's not true.
Because when you get to trial and they have the initial hearing, if you don't have evidence to what you've said, which you've sworn under penalty of perjury, that is true, your case is completely thrown out.
And you cannot convince me somebody like Kesh Patel and those guys are willing to throw away their entire career and legacy to botch the most important case of our lifetime.
It just wouldn't happen.
Can I ask you?
Go ahead.
You know, and in cases you've covered or worked on, you know, worked on directly or covered.
And I know you obviously you mentioned policing.
You have covered so many use of force cases, which is another example where misinformation comes up so many times and people believe their, you know, choose your own narrative.
It almost comes to.
Have you ever seen a case where a father turn his own son into law enforcement like this?
Because I've been scratching my brain and that's really not something you see a lot.
Yeah, I've never, now, it could be possible, depending on if the father was involved in something, you know, all of that stuff.
But in this case, that's not the case, right?
This is not a lover's triangle or something weird situation where the dad is involved in the crime.
This is a mom who identified.
You got to think, the FBI didn't catch him initially.
They didn't know who he was.
So for 33 hours, Tyler Robinson is on the loose.
He's on the loose.
And they have these images that are so.
And they're getting tips online too.
People don't understand that they got 10,000 tips or something like that, which they followed up on.
But he's online.
He's out there and they haven't identified him yet.
His mother identifies him.
She confirms with his father that it's him.
The father convinces him to turn himself in.
They communicate with the deputy sheriff, a neighbor, who coordinated him to turn himself in without obviously the SWAT team coming to his house and doing a dynamic entry.
So I find it to be unreasonable to believe that somehow his dad is want to get him the death penalty for what reason?
When you turn your son in knowing that he committed a crime such as this, which is an assassination, an intentional murder, he premeditated it, and he did it for political reasons.
When you say, I'm going to turn my son into the authorities, you are turning him in knowing he can get the death penalty.
No father would do that unless they are pretty confident that their son has done this.
Now, according to the FBI, he actually confessed to his parents that he did it.
Now, there's a difference between a confession and pleading not guilty in the court of law.
A person can confess to their parents, but you can plead not guilty because you want to not, you know, end up getting a death penalty.
So in my opinion, I think the fight is not whether he's guilty or not.
The fight is to try to not allow him to get the death penalty, which is why they didn't want the cameras in the court, which is why they wanted to dress in plain clothes.
You're making way too much sense.
And by the way, I was thinking about it.
You're making way too much sense.
Brandon Tatum, stop making so much sense.
In addition to that, we have that Discord chat that came out where he said, you know, I don't have it in front of you, but it's something to the extent of, hey, guys, I don't know if you saw the news, but it was me in Utah.
They had 20 people on their Discord chat, which the FBI is investigating all 20 of them.
And the thing is, people don't understand forensics, right?
There's a forensic extraction of all the content on Discord from his communication with that chat and every chat he's been on and all 20 people in every chat that they've been on.
Also, the electronic communication between him and his boyfriend or girlfriend or whatever it is.
It's a boy, the transgender person.
The communication that people don't have access to because they showed a synopsis.
But they have extracted all the content from his phone and the other guy's phone in the relationship.
And also, no one, I know that it, so some people that have never investigated anything and they look at, they say, well, it's kind of confusing the way he's communicating with the transgender person.
But unless you have evidence of how he communicates in his other text communication, you cannot make a true judgment on whether or not it's suspicious him using the word vehicle and different things of that nature.
Well, and not only that, but you're talking forensics, but that would also, that would also go into my, now, my experience is more okoness, right?
Because as an Intel officer, but it's, you know, a lot of the same metadata, the same electronic collection that we'd be using.
So they could track his cell phone.
And if he had gone to that, that, and there's this new witness that's come out that said they spotted someone on that roof.
I think it was a week prior.
And they're going to, what, of course, they're going to do with that cell phone, track the forensics.
Okay, did he go a week prior?
Was that him?
They made a statement at the affidavit that they submitted to the court that he did.
They found on his phone searches and Google Maps searches of that university.
And they can tell if he's searching that, how much time he spends on the site.
And all of those things are part of the investigation.
If people would just let them do their job, and if in the court of law with cross-examination, they're not doing the job properly, then let's go after them and judge them on that.
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So, Jack, you got a little bit of breaking news here I want to get to.
Yeah, so there is a letter coming out of Germany, of Hamburg, Germany, where a AFD, so a right-wing politician's car was just firebombed.
And there's a letter that's been now posted claiming responsibility for the attack, saying it was carried out by members of the Antifa network in Hamburg, Germany.
Folks remember at the White House recently, I was telling the President of the United States to his face that Antifa was formed in Germany.
This has been their base of operations, the foreign terrorist organization.
And there's a full-long letter explaining how they conducted this attack.
It was engulfed by flames.
I don't believe anyone was hurt, but it was a firebombing.
But listen to this line because they made a specific direct reference to Charlie in this line released by Antifa.
All you MAGA freaks will follow Kirk into hell.
And that's being put out directly by Antifa, directly by their German arm after conducting a targeted assassination attempt, a firebombing on a car.
No injuries didn't work.
I think they got the car, but no one was in it when it went off.
So I'm not sure what happened there.
So this is the thing.
They have gone off early.
This is what bothers me.
There was that Aaron Burnett clip that went around.
And I do want to keep getting into some of the actual specifics of the case with you and get your officer brain on them, Tatum here.
But this is what bothers me.
There was an Aaron Burnett clip that went around saying, like, oh, well, we all know that political violence comes from the right because there was this SPLC study that didn't include all the Tesla firebombings or anything like that.
And it was, oh, it was run by an Antifa guy that had connections to Antifa.
The point is, she also referenced the fact that they don't have a hierarchy like the Proud Boys or whatever, right?
So she's, she, and what they have to understand is that this is an ideology that is intentionally, well, it's a network that's an intentionally decentralized movement without a hierarchy that you would see at a corporate boardroom or something, right?
Because the ideology is so pervasive and so powerful when you fully buy into it.
You don't need to be manually pushing the buttons internationally to make people do this crazy stuff.
What they do is they spread information.
They have literature in Seattle and Portland.
They even have bookstores in Chicago, New York, same, where they have bookstores where they spread this anti-fascist literature in their pamphlets, in their books.
There's Dr. Antifa out of Rutgers that's part of this network.
We're going to get this video up.
I mean, this car and a few cars next to it are just burned to a crisp.
The whole engine block is gone.
If people had been in these cars, they'd all be dead.
Right.
This is real.
It's very interesting that somehow we missed this in America in the conversation that's being had on social media.
I don't know why we're kind of passively allowing Antifa and these knuckleheads to kind of get away with what they have been doing and the threats that they've made.
These people are nutty.
And this is one of the reasons why I'm quite convinced that the gentleman that's, well, I wouldn't call him a gentleman.
I really can't stand him.
But the person that killed Charlie, the reason why I'm very convinced that he is the one that did it, because that ideology is consistent with violence.
They tried to kill other politicians.
Obviously, he assassinated Charlie.
They wish that they can do it to more people.
This is their ideology.
This is what they represent.
This is the hatred that's in their hearts for people like us who are just exposing truth and standing up for American values.
And their whole intent is to eliminate us.
They mock Charlie after his death.
They go on Halloween and have these costumes with, you know, kind of showing a death similar to Charlie.
You got the school board or teachers here in Vale school district in Tucson that were all dressed up like Charlie that got killed.
You know, and it's crazy.
That particular story, I'm holding out some hope.
No teacher should be dressing like Charlie.
First of all, whatever it is.
They said they dressed that way last year.
Oh, so after Trump got shot, they dressed that way.
Right.
Yeah, yeah.
So here's my theory on it, by the way, because I took a bunch of incoming on it over the weekend for outing these teachers.
First of all, I've never been into the blood and gore thing for Halloween, let alone when you have teachers that are supposed to be raising the next generation doing the blood and gore thing.
I'm trying to give some space because some people don't make that connection, okay?
But for example, we were doing trick-or-treating this weekend and we came up to a house.
Most of them were like fun, fairy tale houses.
There was a Barbie house.
Like, okay, you're not in a Barbie, but at least it's not creepy and weird.
That we came up to this one with this guy who literally had like a demon head, like a second head that he'd prostate, like a prosthetic that he had.
And it was creepy and dark.
And my wife looked at me and she goes, we're avoiding that house.
Don't go anywhere near it.
And I was like, absolutely.
So we took our kids around the other way.
But I want to make sure that I finish this point.
The dark, creepy aspect of Halloween is not cool.
Okay, first of all.
So for a bunch of teachers to be that tone deaf, especially after the political assassination of the most famous political figure in the state of Arizona, not to mention it was a worldwide phenomenon.
You can't claim ignorance about this.
Blood streaked down the left side of your shirt.
And not to mention, how many teachers, professors, have we seen?
Lucy Martinez in Chicago doing the handgun meme to her neck, who's still employed, by the way, at Nathan Hale Elementary School.
Other Charlie Kirk costumes all weekend that we have seen.
Dozens and dozens.
I've seen so many TikToks about just crappy human garbage mocking Charlie's death as a Halloween costume, which is just vile.
So you see all of this bloodstained down.
Okay, here's my most generous reading of this.
There are some that probably just thought it was a fun, bloody, gory kind of Halloween thing, right?
They like the nightmare on Elm Street kind of Halloween version, right?
My kids want to dress up like princesses and ninjas, okay?
That whole dark and bloody thing is not my thing.
My most generous reading, though, is that there's some teachers that just went along with it, and there was probably one or two that really were the ringleaders and liked it, and they convinced the rest of the, there's eight of them to do it, okay?
You cannot convince me that some of those teachers in that picture knew exactly how it was going to be perceived.
And here's my proof.
As soon as it went up on Facebook's, on their Facebook channel, Vale Schools or whatever, they took it down instantly because somebody with a brain looked at that and thought, probably not a good look to have blood streaked down the left side of their body, have eight of them going problem solved.
They knew.
Somebody knew, all right?
Yeah, you could throw the image up there.
I'm not trying to dox anybody.
I'm not trying to hurt innocent people.
But here's the thing.
This is, first of all, inappropriate for public school teachers.
Can I understand?
Because I saw them saying it was a reference to math problems.
And I'm a guy who, look, I like Halloween.
I've gone to, I go to haunted houses, whatever.
We did Eastern State Penitentiary, Philly Tradition last week.
I just don't get what this has to do with, like, I don't get, like, is this a reference to Michael Myers or Jason?
Why would a teacher be wearing this?
They want to get that.
They wanted plausible deniability, right?
So they figured, we're going to do this anyway to mock Charlie.
And then as soon as they come back to us, this is our excuse we're going to make.
There's no reason whatsoever that they have a shirt that's draped in blood on the left side, which is the side that Charlie was shot on.
And that's the side where he bled from.
Well, this is so excuse.
It's almost consistent with what we saw from Charlie and the fact that they said problem solved.
We have people online right after Charlie's death saying problem solved with mockery of Charlie's death.
It's exactly what they're doing.
Well, and here's their excuse is that it's a shirt that's sold on Amazon.
And there was like, somebody was like, look, it looks like a lot of these shirts have been sold.
And it was like, I don't know, 50 over two years or something.
I was like, that's not a lot of shit.
That's not a lot of shirts.
Anyways, yeah.
And by the way, so the Vail School District responded.
I want to make sure that we're covering this as we should.
I was very clear, by the way, in the tweets.
As soon as they responded, I put it up and I updated the thread.
It says, we understand that a recent social media post showing members of Cienega's math department wearing shirts that say problem solved has caused some confusion and concern.
The shirts were worn in reference to solving math problems.
Any reference that these shirts were related to something other than that are simply false and untrue.
The staff wearing them care deeply about children.
We're not intended as a reference to any person of any political issue.
We apologize that the wearing of these shirts caused concern and were upsetting to some.
That was absolutely not the intent of those who wore them.
We are sorry, and the shirts will not be worn again.
This is a hard lesson for us all, but more thought and care need to be taken in these times.
I agree with that.
I'm actually glad they took a little bit of responsibility.
That's BS to me.
And in my opinion, it's BS.
They didn't mention Charlie now one time.
And we know that's a reference to Charlie.
They know it's a reference to Charlie because people had said it.
If they really cared, they would have made a statement to say, we do not condone this.
We did not feel this way about Charlie Kirk.
Charlie Kirk was XYZ.
He was an Arizona native.
They would have framed it that way.
But they're lying.
Like I said, a plausible deniability.
These people concocted a scene that they could post and then step back and say, oh, no, we didn't mean that.
What does blood and gore, blood-draped shirt have to do with math?
You are murdering math?
Problem solved is a solution, not a related to murder.
I think they did say that this guy from the school district said they will not be wearing the shirts again.
Well, why not?
Why not?
If you did nothing wrong, and if it's just by the way, yeah, I got community noted on this because it was like the problem-solved t-shirt predates Charlie Kirk's death.
Assertions that it mocks him are misleading.
I don't think it's misleading at all, actually, but whatever.
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This problem solved t-shirt thing was just absolutely garbage.
But here's the thing.
I don't want to hurt innocent people.
For that, I genuinely, if there are teachers in that picture, because you know, like, I get it.
Math teachers kind of can be maybe a little dorky, like, you know, this guy right there.
You know, okay, I get it.
Like, I genuinely don't want to hurt them.
That's not my heart.
My heart is to call out evil to confront evil.
And so, if there were people in that picture that didn't mean any harm by it or just didn't make the connection, I genuinely am sorry to them.
But I don't believe for a second that there aren't people in that picture that knew exactly the room a little bit, guys.
Read the freaking room.
The biggest, largest political assassination, the most high-profile in a generation since the 1960s in this country, who happens to be my dear friend, my partner and colleague, and all of these things.
Like, I'm sorry if I get a little bit primed and I'm a little bit upset about it.
It's the same design as the Freedom shirt.
That's that's the reason that it seems directly and then they didn't upload it more recently.
Well, don't they?
So they said that they wore it last year.
So I waited and waited.
And then I, I, I mean, listen, in my inbox, my DMs are flooded with people like, don't, don't believe them.
It's, it's AI.
And look at this foot and look at this.
So, but I mean, I have no idea.
The point is, I saw what looked to be a credible reference to last year, so I updated the thread.
And, you know, people are coming after me for that too.
But it's like, listen, I'm just trying to be a good faith operator.
I'm posting what I believe to be the same image from last year, but I still like, and everybody then made the point: like, whoa, after Trump's assassination attempt, like, yeah, like, still inappropriate that year.
I mean, and I just keep coming back to this point.
This is where I'll leave it.
In school shootings, too, by the way.
No, exactly.
You're teachers and you're dressing up like diagrams.
This is my school studio.
I just, I don't know.
Find me an image of like a just a run-of-the-mill teacher from the like 50s, 60s, or 70s.
Like, just find me something.
And then, so give me an image.
My kids' school did Halloween.
You didn't have any teachers dressed like blood and gore.
They dressed like crayons.
No, they dressed like crayons.
That's it.
You know, here's what I'd say.
What this actually does is it exposes a deeper flaw in our education system.
That if you're a public school teacher and you think that this is an okay way to celebrate Halloween with blood and gore, I get it.
The country has lost its mooring, and there's going to be dozens and hundreds of whatever people out in the audience that think I'm crazy for saying that.
I don't, like, I'm telling you, that is not an appropriate way to dress for Halloween.
You're going to be teaching kids.
I just thank God.
I just thank God that it could have been a lot worse, man.
They could have been wearing Star Wars costumes.
Just saying.
I'm just saying.
No, but it's like Halloween.
If it's fun dress up, that's cool.
Blood and gore, it's not my thing, especially if you're supposed to be teaching kids.
You know, the kids can't.
I bet you they don't have any pictures of kids going to school with blood and gore because it's probably prohibited.
You probably send them out.
Okay.
It's prohibited.
Now compare this to a teacher in the 1950s.
Look at how far our culture has fallen.
Like, this is the 1950s.
That was your school teacher in the 1950s.
Now go to the blood and gore one.
Remember Christmas story when he's now go to 115.
Compare, contrast.
This is that you want to know why we're a nation in decline, sadly, is because that is seen as okay.
I'm not saying that all of these people were mocking Charlie.
I don't know their hearts.
I'm not, I don't know.
But just compare and contrast.
Go back to the 1950s, lady.
Yeah, we have fallen.
We are missing something crucial, and it's called dignity, self-respect.
Which way, Western man, which way?
Which way?
Let me add this.
And then back in the day, we never knew our teacher's first name.
Nobody ever knew their first name.
That's so true.
And we would treat them with respect.
We didn't know who they were married to.
We really didn't even know who they were married to unless their husband worked at the school.
So we weren't in their business.
Now the kids are knowing what sexual orientation the teachers are, if they got boyfriend, you know, all this old crazy stuff.
And I think that we've gone in a sense of decline.
You know, I would still challenge those people, even though somebody may want to give them grace and say they wore it last year or whatever the case may be.
Yeah, you wore it at an inappropriate time last year, and you should be able to read the room this year.
Charlie Kirk died.
It's a similar shirt.
You have to say, hey, let's get different shirts because it's not going to come across well.
I mean, it's common sense.
And then you cannot tell me at these schools, survey these people.
If we had their social media accounts, I bet you some of them celebrated Charlie's death or they did not give him condolences.
And we saw how many teachers did.
We know what it is.
They can lie all they want or whatever.
I don't want nobody to get hurt, but I think that they should get exposed.
They did actually pull that footage of the car bombing.
Do we have it?
And I believe we have 114.
And I'd love to get Shiget Brandon on this to be able to see, to kind of walk us through.
Look at that.
Oh, my goodness.
That's true.
This was not, I mean, to me, this seems like beyond Molotov cocktail level.
Oh, no, that was an explosive device.
It'd appear because it exploded in the middle and burned through all these cars.
I mean, cars really don't, they don't really catch fire like that connected to each other.
You know, because you see that one is burned, but this one is half burned.
So what would your very, very intense initial explosion for it to get to?
Right, right.
Kind of right in the middle of those cars, a big explosion, and it engulfed all those cars, and then it spread and stopped at the third car or fourth car and off to the side.
But, you know, I'm not sure.
You know, I'm not an explosive expert, but that's troubling to see something like this, and people are doing this for their own ridiculous ideology.
And now, what if someone had been in there?
Let's say that guy, you know, he's waking up, he's going to work, he turns the ignition, and then that happens.
What happens to him and possibly his family if they're there?
Oh, yeah.
Obviously, he would be killed, and it'll be a gruesome sight.
And, you know, his family would be traumatized forever.
I mean, why wouldn't they?
Their dad was blown up in a random act of violence because of his political belief systems.
You know, it's crazy to me that we don't call these people out more, like somebody said, and I don't like to use the word hate, but let's use the word strongly dislike.
We don't strongly dislike them enough.
I feel like we give them tacit approval, not us per se, but as a society, we give them tacit approval.
Donald Trump said that he was going to designate Antifa as a terrorist organization.
At what point are we going to start putting these people in prison?
At what point are we going to start doing some due diligence and investigating this stuff?
These people, I think there's a network.
And I think that Robinson's kid was a part of this network.
And I can't prove that, but it appears that this is not a one-off.
That's why they're in these threads and they're talking amongst themselves and confessing the stuff because I think they're all like working together and they're chat by group chat by group chat.
That's how this thing spreads.
And by the way, even if Tyler Robinson was not, you know, formally or didn't consider himself part of Antifa, the ideologies that drive Antifa that motivate them were clearly present in his life.
Just look at the bullet case.
Or is it possible?
And now this, this might be, now we're getting into a more of a lawyer question, but some of the stuff that we're seeing that's come out and more text messages and information that have been, Turkey Tom put out a bunch on his YouTube.
He had a leaker come forward.
Is it possible that this, the real radical here was Twiggs, was the boyfriend, and then convinces Tyler to conduct this act.
And he goes out and does this for him.
And they've got drug use, they've got alcohol use, obviously the sexual behavior, all the rest of it coming in.
At what point then, if he convinced him to do it, is it a matter where he becomes culpable?
You see what I'm getting at?
Right, 100%.
I think that it appears that they do have the text communications already and they haven't indicted the trans boyfriend.
So it appears that they don't have enough evidence to believe that he was complicit in the crime.
But they may not have evidence, but you still may be correct.
Now, what if he cooperates?
What if he cooperates?
Now, is there a way that they could sort of make that, you know, if he cooperates fully, is there a way for them to say, all right, you're going to come in, testify, but you got to give us everything.
That could be 100% the case.
I mean, I have had situations like that where I was a part of an investigation where a guy had a handful of drugs.
He was going to do 25 years in prison.
Right, right.
And he said, I'll give up all the dealers.
We took that guy into the headquarters.
They get a statement.
He walked at the front.
And he got caught with a handful of crimes.
And that's what I'm saying.
If you roll, you get the best deal.
And that could be, and he could be under witness protection too, because people are now saying online that the transgender boyfriend is now missing.
And it's like, you're not going missing from the FBI if you are a material witness.
You're missing from the media.
You're missing from the media.
Or you may be under witness protection.
Right.
Right.
Which means why people don't have access to you.
But that could have been very, well, the case because this is how we see it happening, right?
I mean, you have a kid that seemed like he grew up in a normal household, maybe possibly a conservative household.
And it's conservative.
And all of a sudden, all of a sudden, he's going down this path of woke Antifa ideology.
And just so happened, he's in a relationship with one of these transformations.
And then you run up with someone who is fully committed, who you then form this, this, I'm just going to say it, this perversive relationship with.
And suddenly that person gets, you know, it's grooming.
This is how grooming works.
You throw into the mix a lot of weird, kinky sex stuff.
You throw into the mix a lot of drugs.
You throw into the mix a lot of these Discord chats and all this weird ideologies.
And not to mention your Mormonism.
Extreme online, furry, transhumanist pornography.
It's a distillation.
It's a distillation of just basically everything terrible and horrible all in one ideology.
And they all mix and they all come together.
It's a confluence of all of this really violent stuff.
And this is what, you know, if you could sum up Antifa's ideology in like one sentence, it's basically what they got from this quote from him where he basically says, some hate you just can't negotiate out.
Right.
And so that is a perfect encapsulation of what Antifa believes.
They don't believe in open debate.
They don't believe in free dialogue.
They don't believe in democracy, candidly.
They believe that the system is so evil that some of the people that are pushing this, you know, enforcement of the system are so evil that you cannot negotiate with them.
This is what the Antifa handbook is all about from Dr. Mark Bray at Rutgers University, still employed.
This is what it's all about.
They don't believe that you can be talked to.
They don't believe that you're a human.
They don't believe that you can be reasoned with.
So they're going to try and kill you.
They're going to try and hit.
Almost like they believe that you're unhuman.
Somebody wrote a book last year called Unhumans that explained that this is exactly what they believe.
They believe that if you do not follow their ideology, that you are not human, that you are unhuman.
Took a lot of flack for that one.
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That's if Jack, you've got to get ready for your own show.
So we have to get you out of here.
We got to.
No, no, that's right.
I'm going to the human events studio because we've got human events daily coming up.
We've got a big pre-election show that we're going to be rocking.
Tyler Boyer will be joining me.
So I hope everyone can come and check this out.
And I appreciate you also mentioned that we have the unhuman.
Yeah, throw up the book art, guys.
And if anyone, look, if you want to dig into this ideology of hatred, this ideology that views you, if you're a conservative, you're a Christian.
If you're white, if you're straight, if you're a male, you are not a human, according to them.
And this is an ideology that goes back 250 years.
It is basically taking the sin of envy and turning it into a political justification and a moral justification to commit violence and evil.
Why do communists still support communism after it's killed 100 million people?
Because they view 100 million as a good start.
Well said.
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I'm going to play this because it's kind of in theme with our hour.
This is Erica Kirk.
She's got an exclusive interview with Jesse Waters coming out on Wednesday.
And they're sort of teasing some of the clips here.
And this is Erica talking about whether or not cameras are going to be banned inside the courtroom of her husband's killer.
113.
The defense wants to ban cameras in the courtroom.
How do you feel about that?
There were cameras all over my husband when he was murdered.
There have been cameras all over my friends and family mourning.
There have been cameras all over me analyzing my every move, analyzing my every smile, my every tear.
We deserve to have cameras in there.
Why not be transparent?
There's nothing to hide.
I know there's not because I've seen what the case is built on.
Let everyone see what true evil is.
This is something that could impact a generation and generations to come.
Brandon, why don't you take us into this dynamic?
I know you're not a lawyer or an officer, but you were an officer, but what is this dynamic playing out with the cameras specifically?
The defense wants to ban them.
Yeah, I can't say I know exactly what their motives are, but after watching, you know, being in trial, watching all of this stuff unfold, I try to watch every major case trial.
I used to watch court TV all the time.
In my other life, I would have been a lawyer.
But it appears that what they're doing is trying to humanize and make Robinson look like a, you know, less like an evil person because of his crimes are very evil and inhumane.
So they want to humanize him and make him look like just an average person that had a bad day.
And the way they do that is they can curate what he looks like in the public and they can curate what he looks like to the jurors.
And they want him to dress in plain clothes, right?
And not dress in prison uniform.
They want his shackles to not be visible, although he will be chained and he will have a handcuffs on him.
By the way, on that note, it's like you may think, well, he's in a courtroom.
Why would you not have, you know, why do you need handcuffs on him or whatever?
It's like, you know, you could, a pen can be turned into a deadly weapon.
Right, but he's still in custody.
By the way, it could be a pen against himself.
Right.
You know, but he's not free.
So that's another thing that people have to realize.
He's under arrest right now.
And so he's not free to go.
So he will be handcuffed.
Yeah, they're going to make it so it's not visible.
They're going to say that cameras cannot capture his handcuffs.
And they're not going to allow them to film him walking in, which is like kind of the perp walk, walking into the court or out of the court, because then you will see his gait, how he walks, all of those things.
You can see him in chains.
And then the visual visualization of that will criminalize him like he should be.
In the minds of the jurors.
In the minds of jurors and in the minds of the public, because they want sympathy from the public.
They want sympathy from the jurors.
So when it's time to put him to death, people will be more likely to say, oh, he's just an innocent kid.
He should not be put to death.
So the public will be influenced to say he's not that bad of a person.
And then the jurors will believe that he's not that bad of a person.
Well, and I just want to leave you with this.
I'm not next of kin.
I'm not getting like, you know, all the updates from the attorneys that are on our team and that are coordinating with federal, state, and local law enforcement.
But I will say that I know this much, that they believe this case is completely lock solid.
I mean, this thing is a really, really strong case.
And I know there's a lot of voices speaking into the void and trying to come up with alternative connections and conspiracies.
Again, I understand people want justice for Charlie.
Actually, I love that.
I want people to want justice for Charlie.
I want that too.
Our team wants it too.
Erica, of course, wants it more than anybody.
But like, the case, I just want people to know it is very, very strong.
And listen, Andrew, like, nobody wants justice for Charlie more than us.
Yeah.
Nobody wants it more than us.
You got to be out of your mind to think that, you know, just sitting here, it roused me up a little bit.
You got to be out of your mind to think that we want the person who took Charlie's life to still be running around because for whatever reason.
It's completely stupid to me.
But let me just say there's a little bit of time left.
I mean, if it weren't for people who are disingenuous in nature, putting out bull crap to make money and be famous and get clicks and views, we wouldn't even be talking about this, man.
The case is very clean.
It's very clear.
The only thing that people will be left wondering about, if anything, would be the 30 out of 6 round.
That's the only thing.
But the FBI knows what they have and what they don't have.
And they know what investigatory information that they're going to present.
Well, and who else might have known in advance or who helped him?
