Defeating the Slow-Motion Insurrection ft. Border Czar Tom Homan
Is the violent left attempting to assassinate ICE agents? Why are American businesses employing illegal migrants as underpaid serf workers? Will we start prosecuting mayors who impede ICE and CEOs who knowingly hire illegals? Tom Homan discussed all that and more on stage with Charlie at the Student Action Summit. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Tom Homan, who is the border czar for the Trump administration.
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The great Tom Homan, the legendary Tom Homan.
How you doing?
I'm doing great.
And, you know, there's been a lot of stuff in the news, but the most important stuff has actually not been talked about this week, which is that there is a slow-motion insurrection happening on our cities.
And again, there's so much stuff happening.
We have the flooding in Texas, which is terrible.
Tom, bring us up to speed.
What happened in California?
There was a marijuana farm that was raided.
Miners were working at it.
And is it correct that an illegal alien discharged a weapon at ICE officers?
All true.
So we're serving criminal search warrants.
I mean, it wasn't, you know, it wasn't your normal, like what the media want to call immigration raid.
We're serving criminal warrants, a part of a criminal investigation into, you know, illegal weed farm, child trafficking, labor violations.
So we were there enforcing the laws of this country.
And the protesters showed up, enforced, assaulting officers.
And, you know, if you went and actually asked any of the protesters, what are your protesters?
They didn't tell you.
They don't know what the hell they're doing.
They just say hatred on ICE.
Hatred on ICE that is perpetuated by members of Congress.
So if a member of Congress can call him racist, they can call them the Gestapo.
Then, you know, these nuts in the public, it just emboldens them to go out there and take on ICE, which is they'll lose.
Yes, they will.
And so at this specific incident, a guy started shooting at ICE officers.
Have we found out who that person is?
FBI is investigating it.
I know a little bit, but I really can't talk about it right now, but they're deep in it.
So what did we learn about this specific marijuana facility that was so egregious?
They were using child slave labor or something akin to it?
They had unaccompanied alien children that crossed under Joe Biden.
Some of the ones that he released and he lost.
So they were working.
And so this is important.
Sorry to interrupt you, Tom.
This is what the media calls a farm.
So you know how there's been a lot of controversy around farms the last couple of weeks, right?
So at this farm were illegal aliens that were how old, Tom?
12?
Yeah, they're young, young teenagers.
So no, this is not what you think it is, working on farms.
These are illegal 12-year-olds that come and they're producing marijuana illegally.
And we're continuing investigation on the interviews.
Were they even being paid?
Were they paying off smuggling fees?
How many hours were they working?
Look, I've said this forever.
And I truly believe this.
I've been doing this since 1984.
No one hires an illegal alien out of the goodness of their heart.
They hire them because they work them harder, pay them less, and undercut their competition with U.S. citizen employees and drive labor rates down.
So a deep dive investigation, interviews are being had, these kids will have.
They'll do a forensics interview, and we'll uncover the trafficking issue and try to find those responsible for smuggling these kids and trafficking them, and we'll prosecute them.
And so more broadly on the deportation project, you recently said, I don't want to misquote you, Tom, and you're doing an amazing job.
Isn't Tom just doing incredible?
You recently said the goal is to get to 7,000 deportations a day.
Am I quoting?
What I said was the media is out there losing their minds because there was the goal set of 3,000 a day.
And they asked her, is that even possible?
Isn't that racist?
I said, 3,000 a day is nothing.
Because if you do the math, we would have to rest 7,000 a day for the rest of the administration just to remove those that Biden released in the country.
You're not talking about the 15 million plus already here.
So 3,000 a day is a drop in a bucket.
And with the big, beautiful bill now passed, just watch and see what happens.
And so 7,000 a day would be like 2.5 million people a year.
Can you talk about the self-deportations as well?
Because if history shows for every one person that we deport, there could be upwards of 10 people that self-deport.
Is that about right?
The studies have been done showing close to 1 million have already left the country on their own or through the app.
And I think a big part of that is a big part of that is what we're doing right now.
We've got over 1,000 arrest teams on the streets of this nation arresting illegal aliens every day.
Of course, prioritizing the public safety threats, national security threats first, what they see.
Now you can wait and let us find you and deport you, or you can get your affairs in order and leave on your own and make yourself available for other opportunities in the future if they come up.
But I think consequences matter.
Bad behavior doesn't change unless there's consequences, and we're shaming consequences.
So I'll tell you a quick anecdote.
So a local church that Eric and I go to, it's a Catholic Church.
I'm not Catholic.
She was raised Catholic, but we just like going there and great community and fellowship to go and pray, and it's great.
And it's beautiful.
I love beautiful churches.
I like beautiful things.
I don't like going to church in Costco.
Sorry, I don't.
So I don't like going to Home Depot to worship.
Call me old-fashioned.
So they're doing this major marble project at this church, major, right?
And so the priest who I know, we were walking in one weekday just to go pray, and the marble project was half finished.
And I said, oh, hey, what's going on here?
He said, oh, I got to tell you a story.
He said, so the original contractor started this effort, and he had to stop at the beginning because all of his labor self-deported.
And so then he was super worried that he wasn't going to be able to fulfill the project.
He found Americans within 48 hours that did a better job for only $2 to $3 more an hour.
And it's all legal, and it's all American, and the job will be finished at the exact same time.
Everybody, don't believe the lie.
We can get this.
And that right there is a glaring first-person example because we're sort of, oh, who's going to be the stonemasons?
and no one's going to want to work on the roofs, and no one's going to...
You know, I got a similar story.
So a few years ago, I had to put a new roof in my house because of a storm.
I had to call five or six different companies before I found a company that guaranteed me a legal workforce.
But while I was getting the bids, the father and son showed up.
And they're hoping I didn't need a whole roof replacement.
They were hoping just to repair it.
But once they saw it, they said, no, we can't do this.
And he told me a story.
He had a successful roofing company that had over 20 U.S. citizens employees that he put on the roof at 20 bucks an hour.
And he lost the business because he couldn't win any contracts.
Other companies put illegal aliens on the roof for $7 an hour.
He just couldn't win a contract.
So now him and his son just go out and do roof repairs.
He laid off 20 U.S. citizen employees.
That happens every day across the country.
Every day.
And this idea, like, look, I will acknowledge that some of the youth of America, there are some of these jobs that they don't want to do.
But I reject the premise in a country of 330 million people that we have maxed out the labor potential of this country.
I'm sorry.
I just don't buy it, okay?
You do not, and what I will buy, though, is that yes, if you don't raise wages, then there will be a problem.
But we're not talking about going from $20 an hour to $85 an hour.
We're talking about minor adjustments on the wage scale, which, by the way, I would personally, as an employer, by the way, only hire legal Americans at Turning Point USA.
The fact that I have to say that is ridiculous.
We use E-Verify.
But as a citizen, I want to make sure the workforce is not just legal, but I feel an obligation to fulfill the mandate of my fellow countrymen.
Because, Tom, you're getting at something.
Is it correct that the thrust of hiring illegal labor is that they actually don't want to pay Americans what they, just a normal wage?
Absolutely.
Like I said, they overwork them, underpay them.
And I agree with you.
We have plenty of workforce here.
If they get out of their mother's basement, stop protesting nice, and go get a job, they could actually add to our economy.
Well, and even beyond that, you know, if you, again, I hate racial politics, I really do, but we have Blexit, and Black America's been treated terribly by the Democrat Party, awful.
You want to know who's been treated the worst by mass migration is black America.
And how many black Americans who used to do a lot of these jobs happily, carpentry, woodworking, and all of a sudden you bring in a steady flow of illegal labor, and people say, well, they just work harder.
I guess I could sympathize for us.
I'm sure that at the extremes, that's true, right?
Would you agree, Tom, at the extremes?
But at the median, I'm sorry, like, I don't buy that.
I think that this idea that you need to get maximal corporate return, even though you don't have a nation, it's been a bad bargain for us, actually.
It's that we're a nation of strangers.
We don't know how many people are actually in America.
We have no idea who they are.
They're endangering our communities.
But we save a couple bucks an hour on wages.
I remember when I was another example, when I was ice-dragged, just a few years back, but we actually did a work site enforcement operation on a plant in Chicago that made sausage.
We wrestled a lot of illegal aliens there.
Within two weeks, they were back open, replaced by black labor.
Gave them law jobs.
So that's just one example.
So you're exactly right.
A lot of them have been displaced because of illegal immigration and cheap labor.
So, Tom, let me ask you then.
So we saw this in Nebraska where there was a meat packing facility, raided it, all the illegals were arrested, line out the door for Americans to get the job the next day.
Why don't we hold the employers accountable?
Why don't we have why don't we start arresting business owners that are knowingly arresting illegal aliens?
Aren't they breaking the law?
They are.
Federal law.
And just a couple weeks ago, I gave a direction to ICE that I want to see many, many, many more criminal prosecutions at work sites.
I love it.
Of the people that know they are processing fraudulent social security numbers.
We're going to prosecute not only an employer, but if you use a false Social Security card, a false green card, you're going to get prosecuted too.
Zero tolerance.
I love it.
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Look, and I think we should acknowledge this.
Not in every sector are we going to be able to refill the workforce overnight.
It's not going to happen.
There will be hiccups.
There will be bumps.
But I think it's worth it as a national project because eventually we will solve it.
And understand this, that in agriculture, everyone talks about farms, farms, farms.
Okay, do you know that our reliance on migrant labor has largely actually held back the farms from automating, investing in robotics, and actually becoming more efficient?
Because they don't want to spend their money on that.
They could just keep on hiring illegal migrant labor.
It's actually held us back significantly.
But we're told, Tom, that all the crops are going to rot in the field if we do mass deportations.
Look, I know that the president made some comments about farmers.
I know Department of Labor, DHS, and Department of Agriculture are all getting together talking about possible options.
I'm not going to get a present on this, but I can tell you this, there will be no amnesty.
Can't happen.
When you reward illegal behavior, it is not going to stop.
We're national laws.
We need to finally say enough.
We're done.
So I understand the policy discussions.
I'll get involved with that this week.
I talked to the president, and he said there will be no amnesty.
He said the same thing to me on a phone call a couple days ago, no amnesty period.
And he's been clear on that.
But I want you in those policy discussions to come back with a message from Tampa.
Because if they even play footse with amnesty, this coalition will be more angry than anything that's happened over the last decade.
This is the core campaign promise.
We finally got the one big, beautiful bill.
And all of a sudden, we're now flirting with jeopardizing our coalition.
So I want you to just bring that memo back to the policy discussion.
They have not seen the MAGA base so animated.
I mean, we are not even at yet removing all the Biden people.
And let me just, let's play this out, Tom.
And the great Stephen Miller and I had a great conversation about this.
So let's say somebody says, well, if you've been here for 15 years, you can stay.
And you get legal residency.
Sounds common sense.
Okay, fine, sure.
But let's talk about this in practice before we even get to the policy.
Tom, do we have any record of when any illegalists come across the border?
No.
No.
So therefore, if you say if you've been here for 15 years, you can stay, wouldn't every illegal just say the magic words, hocus, pocus?
I've been here for 15 years.
And even if you could prove it otherwise in court.
Well, that happened in 1986.
I was there.
Simpson Mazzoli, talk about that.
Well, during IRCA in 1986, what they call a special assault program, special agriculture worker program.
I was a specialist at that time, and I conducted criminal investigations.
I can tell you over 85% of those applications were fraudulent.
He just went to a farmer, gave him $100.
He gave me a letter saying, yeah, he worked for me for 90 days from this day and that day.
There was no check and balances on that.
So it's just right for fraud.
And that was the failure of the 1986 amnesty, and it will happen again.
And on top of even the fraud, guys, what it would do then is it would suspend all deportations in real time, because all they'd have to do is say the magic words, and you'd have to adjudicate it, and it would backlog the courts, and you wouldn't be able to have hands on any illegal alien, just as a practical matter.
But we've got to go beyond the time in the country, what they're going to claim, what time they have in the country.
But we also got to talk to the false narrative being pushed by the media that we're deporting U.S. citizens.
We're not deporting U.S. citizens.
I said this from day one.
If you're in the country illegally and you choose to have a child, that's on you.
And when you get an order deportation, it's parenting 101.
Either you take the child with you or leave them with a relative, the other spouse.
Having a U.S. citizen child in this country doesn't make you immune from our laws.
Because if that's the message we send to the whole world, you're never going to fix this problem.
Yes, and by the way.
So like I said, what can you do?
Can you do a mass deportation without separating families?
We deport them together.
Yes, and by the way, the kid technically, I get, well, we need to get rid of birthright citizenship.
It's a terrible thing.
It's awful.
I'm not optimistic the Supreme Court's probably going to wuss out on that.
But I hope we get a victory there.
But I guess the kid's still a U.S. citizen.
But you're right.
The whole mass migration project post-1986.
So for those of you that don't know, Reagan, worst thing Reagan did, by the way, by far, he was a good president in a lot of ways.
This was his biggest mistake by far.
Would you agree, Tom?
Yeah.
Mark Urke was a mistake.
Yeah.
And so he comes out, Sims Mazzoli, we're going to give amnesty a pathway to citizenship for anyone that worked on a farm all the way up to 1985.
And then we're going to have all this border enforcement stuff.
None of the border enforcement stuff actually materialized.
No.
But all the amnesty.
None of the work site materialized.
None of the work site.
So all these promises of how tough we were going to be, none of it happened, but all the amnesty happened.
But here's the kicker.
And Tom, you're a government official, so I don't know if you can comment on this, but I can.
Which is that we were promised that all Hispanics would vote Republican if we gave them amnesty.
And I want you to understand this, because I hear this from sometimes the ruling class.
What happened is actually Hispanics got more Democrat every single year until Donald Trump came, and he actually won back Hispanics by promising mass deportations.
So if you want to win over Hispanics, you actually talk about lawful deportation because the legal Hispanics are sick of people that have cut in line, stolen Social Security numbers, lied to the system.
Am I correct on that, Tom?
No, I was an agent at the time.
I'm old.
I started this 1990s.
I love this before I was alive.
But I was an agent during that time.
I remember, I get pissed off a lot, but I remember being pissed off back then because there was so much fraud going on.
And CIS, who was taking, well, it was equal to CIS at the time, that were taking applications, ICE officers at the time, INS special agent, weren't even allowed to enter the building to grab the fraudulent applications to take action on them.
They totally separated the benefits from investigations.
So even though there's 90% fraud, we weren't allowed access to the government records.
That's how bad IRC was run.
And so then we fast forward and we had open border, open border.
Trump is the first one to not just say, let's close the border.
By the way, Tom Holman deserves such credit.
The border, we're not even talking about it anymore.
How many people crossed the southern border into the interior of the United States in May?
Zero were released.
Everybody that crossed were sent right back.
Zero.
I'll tell you a better number.
The number that excites me the most.
Under the Biden administration, they averaged 1,800 gotaways every day.
No one gotaway.
Every day.
Every day.
Because we had digital, we had video, drone traffic, central traffic, 1,800 a day on average you know how many there was yesterday 11 11 11 too many and we'll close that down but we went from 1800 to 11 and and the crossings were 99 to 2000 miles of the board we had 99 crossings how many got released zero how many got released last month zero how many months before that zero we ended catch and release and
Tom, you haven't spoken yet on stage, right?
No.
Okay.
When you do, I hope you emphasize it because a lot of people are, you know, they're confused and they're fighting about stuff.
And that's fine.
It's healthy.
But I hope everyone understands the securing of the southern border.
If that's all President Trump does and he golfs for the next four years, that alone makes this all worth it.
No, seriously.
That at least buys us some time to have a nation again and to have a republic.
And having the most secure, right today, you have the most secure border in the history of this nation today.
And what has that done?
Fentanyl seizures have dropped in half.
Sex trafficking women and children are decimated.
A number of Americans dying from fentanyl has dropped significantly.
Sex trafficking has decreased to a level we've never seen before.
I mean, President Trump, by having a secure border, saves lives every day.
So, this is now the key.
And this is why Tom is so important.
He's a hero.
It would be very tempting and easy for us to avoid the big cities.
it's where all the drama no i know but i want to i want to build you up for it that ain't happening the cities is where you reclaim the country that's actually where you exert dominion because what they're doing is they're trying to be like okay you can do your raids in the rurals tom are we going to avoid l Are we going to avoid Denver?
No, we're going to triple down on them.
And I said this.
You know, right after we got in office, the Mayor of Chicago said I wasn't welcome in Chicago.
Guess where I was the next day?
Chicago.
And I'm going to Portland.
Oh, that'll be fun.
But President Trump, we talked about this.
President Trump said it the other day.
Sanctuary cities, we want to prioritize sanctuary cities.
We're going to send a massive amount of aids in sanctuary cities because we know we have a problem.
We know they're releasing public safety threats back in the community every day.
Like, we don't have that problem in Florida.
Every sheriff in Florida is working with us.
Thanks to the great governor of Santa.
Santa's doing great.
You know what?
So we'll take resources from Florida.
We'll throw them in New York.
We'll throw them in L.A. We'll throw them in Portland.
We'll throw them in Chicago.
We'll throw them in Seattle.
Every sanctuary city that wants to double down on ice, we're going to triple down.
We're going to flood the zone, flood the zone in the neighborhoods, flood the zone at work site.
We're going to win this war because what we're doing is making this country safe every day.
Every criminal, illegal, alien, or public safety threat that we deport makes this country safe.
And that's what we're going to continue doing.
We're going to keep President Trump's promise to the American people, we're going to make this country safe again.
We're going to enforce the immigration law without apology.
And I don't give a sh ⁇ .
I did once before you.
No, you're fine.
We're not live.
You're fine.
Look, I'll just say this.
I take a lot of hate.
I take a lot of hip pieces on me every day, and I love them.
Because I get tired, and when I read a hip piece, you'll throw a gas in my fire.
So I don't give a what people think about me.
APPLAUSE We're going to do this job.
So the doxing of ICE agents is terrible.
The assault on ICs are terrible.
The attacks on me and my family, yeah, unfortunate.
But guess what?
We're not leaving.
We're going to keep doing this job.
We're going nowhere.
So we're going to finish the job we started, and we're going to finish it to the last day of this administration.
And hopefully, the next president, Republican president, will have eight more years of doing it.
We're going to clean the nation up.
Amen.
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What does the Big Beautiful Bill mean for you and for your effort?
What has now, it's passed, it's Big Beautiful law.
What do now you have at your command to be able to reclaim the country?
Well, it does a lot of things.
First of all, for the southern border, we're going to finish the wall.
And not only finish your wall, we're going to finish the technology in the existing wall that Joe Biden stopped.
He didn't just stop building the wall.
He stopped putting the technology in the wall that made it a smart wall.
So agents can talk to one another in dead zones.
That we know when someone approaches the wall, climbs the wall, or tries to dig under the wall.
It's also going to add technology to the port of entries so we can still move legal trade through the port of entry as quick as possible, but still catch maximum amounts of contraband.
On the interior, 10,000 new ice agents.
Never heard of that before.
This is the biggest plus-up on ice we've seen in the history of the agency.
10,000.
Right now, we've got 5,000 deportation officers, over 20 million illegal agents in this country.
That's a huge plus-up.
More boots on the ground.
It's going to give us more detention beds.
We're going to go to 50,000 beds to 100,000 beds.
So we're going to have plenty of room to put people there.
We're going to increase the teams as soon as we can.
Academy is already starting to roll out.
We're going to move a lot of agents through that academy.
More boots on the ground, more transportation contracts, more beds.
More contracts do jobs that don't require a badging gun.
It shouldn't take a badge and gun when someone comes in to report or to do arrest reports or processing.
Let contractors do that and get that badging gun on the street where we need them.
We're going to keep focusing on public safety threats and national security threats.
If you think the numbers look good now, just hold on tight.
So I think it's also worth mentioning.
Recently there was this MS-13 leader arrested in Nebraska, and I don't even think we knew who he was or how he got.
I mean, and all of a sudden here he is, this guy that El Salvador has been looking at.
Do you know the case I'm talking about?
That shows the great vetting that the Biden administration claimed they did, which they did.
Look, millions of illegal aliens were released in this country without proper vetting.
And Second Terminus will stand on stage and say, oh, they're property vetted.
They're all property vetted.
That's a bunch of garbage.
Because we don't have access to most countries' criminal data, if they even have a system like NCIC.
With the Chinese and the Russians and people from Syria, do you really think those governments are sharing any data with us, especially national security data?
These people weren't property vetted, and that's why we're working so hard to find them, because they do pose the biggest national security vulnerability I've seen in my lifetime.
What Joe Biden did to this country is the biggest national security vulnerability I've ever seen.
Under Joe Biden, over 400 people on terrorist watchlists were arrested coming across the southern border.
Under Trump 45, 14.
14 compared to 400.
But what scares me most are the 2 million plus gotaways.
Why did 2 million people pay more to get away?
Because you pay the cartel one amount of money to just get to the border, turn yourself into a green uniform, get a free airline ticket to the city of your choice, get a free hotel room, three meals a day, and work authorization.
So why do 2 million people pay more not to get that free giveaway program?
Because they didn't want to be arrested.
They didn't want to be fingerprinted.
They didn't want to be vetted.
That just scared the hell out of everybody.
It scares the hell out of me.
Who were they?
Why did they pay more to get away?
How do we fix the asylum scam?
Because the asylum system is so gamed.
That's easy.
They just, in the first interview on the border, the threshold is so low.
The cartels teach you a couple of key phrases.
Okay, you pass the first interview, you come in.
But when you get to immigration court, the threshold of proof is much, much higher.
So we're saying, hey, easy fix.
The first interview threshold to equal the judicial threshold.
And hold that.
Then, look, those that don't know, they keep calling these people their asylum seekers.
They have a right to claim asylum.
They got a right to see a judge.
Okay.
Well, here's the facts.
Based on immigration court data last decade, nine out of ten people claim asylum at the border end up with order removal.
They're asylum cheaters because they're not escaping fear and persecution from their home government because of race, religion, political affiliation, or membership in a specific social group.
They're coming there for a better life.
And I get that, but it's not asylum.
So they keep yelling and screaming about asylum seekers.
Understand, 90% of them are asylum cheaters.
And while they're cheating the system and backing the system up by five, seven, nine years, there are actually thousands of people in this world that really do need our protection from their countries.
And they're sitting in the back seat.
So asylum system needs to be fixed, needs to be addressed, ASAP, because even though we're doing all the positive things right now, this can all be undone by Democratic president, like Joe Biden did to the most secure board in my lifetime.
So we've got to get Congress, get off their ass, and pass some legislation to fix the system.
Absolutely.
Walk us through, just, I know I got to get you on stage here, Tom, but walk us through, there's been so much social media misinformation saying ICE is the modern Gestapo, they're going after U.S. citizens.
What is the process of enforcement and what should people know that the media is largely missing?
The vast majority of people we've arrested are criminals, public safety threats, and national security threats.
Now, the media says, well, the percentage is lower than I'm claiming.
Well, they don't count misdemeanors as crimes.
They don't count taking a guy out of a county jail pending charges as a criminal.
We do.
If you're in a county jail, you're probably not a choir boy.
So we count criminals as criminals.
But the vast majority of people arrest are criminal aliens.
That's just a stone cold fact.
And what people need to understand, why is there so many collaterals, non-criminals?
Well, I'll tell you what, and I said this from day one.
If you're a sanctuary city and you're going to release that criminal back into the community, we're going to go find him.
And when we find him, we find others that aren't criminal targets, but they're in the country legally.
They're coming too, because we're going to enforce immigration law.
So sanctuary cities get exactly what they don't want.
More collateral arrests, more agents in the street, and more work sign enforcement.
Again, if they want to push back against ICE, this is what's happening.
So yeah, non-criminals arrested.
But last I remembered, entering United States illegally is a crime, and we're going to force that crime.
Exactly, right?
And I said this from day one.
We prioritize public safety threats and national security threats.
But if you're in the country illegally, you're not off the table.
All right, I want to open it up for some questions.
We love doing this.
But guys, I just want to say, ask a question for Tom.
Don't give a speech.
Don't tell us that your neighbor's getting deported or something and you're worried about it.
Sorry, he's not going to help.
Okay?
So I get those questions all the time.
Charlie, my friend's getting deported.
Okay, fine.
Sorry, I can't help you.
So ask a technical question of Tom, please.
And I reserve the right to cut you off because Tom's time is very valuable.
Okay?
So keep it focused on the stuff we talked about.
Yes, sir.
As one former New Yorker to another, could you give us a little preview of what will happen under potentially soon-to-be Mayor Mamdadi?
Did you hear that?
Yeah.
I got to watch what I say because of Hatch Act.
I am a government employee.
That's why I was trying to protect you from yourself.
I've been in trouble a few times over this.
Despite what he says, he's not going to stop me from doing my job.
I'll leave it at that.
That said everything.
Yes, sir.
Thank you for what you're doing.
First of all, my question is, do you think that if the United States invests in bringing jobs to Latin America and supporting freedom movements in all the socialist countries In Latin America, the immigration issue would subdue itself.
I missed that.
I'm sorry.
So I think you were saying, should we invest in Latin and South America for economic freedom movements and such?
Is that right?
Correct, yeah.
Well, let me tell you what I do know.
We've done that under every administration.
It hasn't worked because many of these countries are corrupt, the money doesn't get where it belongs.
It does not work.
Yep.
Thank you.
It does not work.
Yes.
So one of the ways you've shut down, well, basically shut down all the illegal immigrants from across the country is by building up your social media by using it as deterrence.
Is that correct?
So could you tell me how and what are you planning to do to keep on doing that?
Well, look, I'm an old guy.
I'm still learning social media.
And social media, it makes a lot of people brave because they attack you and they hide in their parents' basement.
They can say anything they want.
But I actually have staff that I'm just starting to do social media.
I do have an X account, and I find that a lot of people, like Facebook, I had a Facebook account and I got eight people claiming to be me.
So I got some really smart people working on that, but I agree with you.
The power of social media is life-changing.
So the White House is pushing social media.
I am now my staff's going to push more social media because that sends a message to the whole world.
Rather than talking to Cooper, I know Charlie's got a big following.
Social media, you got the whole world.
So we're going to do a hell of a lot more social media and educate the people on the truth about border enforcement, immigration enforcement.
And let me also say that part of, you know, you see the guys walking through MacArthur Park.
Make no mistake, guys, those videos are being seen in the third world.
They don't want to come here because the visible, intimidating, that has a chilling psychological effect and for good reason.
So that is a way to deter invasion by just displaying the force of the federal government.
Thank you.
Next question.
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I'm actually going to take two questions if you don't mind, because last time I was here at Turning Point's December event, my dad actually had a heart attack.
And so I'd like to take two questions if you don't mind.
My first question is, there was reports and there's some possibility of ICE going to war with the cartels.
Do you think that would just turn into a strict military event?
Or how do you think that would turn is my first question?
There's two divisions of ICE.
There's enforcement removal or operations.
There's Homeland Security Investigations.
Homeland Security Investigations is working with the Department of Justice.
President Trump committed to designating the cartels, criminal terrorist organizations.
He did that, and I think that was a great move.
And you're going to see the whole might of the United States government taking action on the cartels.
Some of the preparatory work has already been done.
President Trump will wipe the cartels off the face of the earth.
Let's go!
We're already bankrupting with the border at the most secure it's ever been.
Illegal migration is down 96%, which means 96% less people are coming, which means the Border Patrol is 100% vigilant on the border.
They're losing billions of dollars in alien smuggling, billions of dollars in sex trafficking, billion dollars in moving dope across that border.
They're already hurting, but we're going to finish the job.
And the Mexican president has a good relationship with President Trump.
Is that fair to say, Tom?
Oh, absolutely.
Yeah, and much better than with Obrador or whatever his name was.
So last question, yeah.
I'm looking for a new job.
Would you be hiring?
Have you gone to the turning point hiring booth?
Tom.
Huh?
I said Tom.
I'd be open to it, but I was just going to say.
Fine now, you blew that.
You want a job with ICE?
Yeah.
Then give me your name and number.
All righty, we'll do it.
Next question.
We're doing massive hiring now because the big, beautiful bill.
I imagine, Tom, a lot of the people that would become ICE agents are former cops that might have left because they were dispirited.
And how cool if you were a cop that left the San Francisco Police Department to come back into San Francisco working at ICE?
Is that am I right?
I had to shut down my LinkedIn account because I couldn't handle the number of people who say, I want to work for ICE.
Retired cops, retired military.
Board of control agents want to come back.
ICE agents want to come back.
We have no lack of resources.
And these are tough, tough dudes.
And that's who we want in ICE.
Yes, we do.
Hey, Tom.
So my name is Brennan.
I'm a Latino from LA.
And as someone who was born with a family that fled communism from Cuba and became legal citizens due to the legal process, thank you for everything you have done.
I'm ashamed of what's going on in LA.
My question is, they've leaked, I'm sure you're aware of this, they've been leaking where ICE agents have been staying in these hotels, including one close to my house.
Is there any way DHS and ICE can proceed to legal action towards the hotels for the management employees leaking to the protesters where they've been staying?
Because I'm sure it affects your safety and the operations.
Absolutely.
Great question.
DHS working very closely with the Department of Justice on the doctors, on the people who are leaking our operations where they're at, because it's only a matter of time before ICE agents are ambushed.
So we're taking It very seriously again, zero tolerance.
And I actually talked to President Trump last night.
He called me from Air Force One and wanted how this is going.
So we're putting all efforts into this.
So for these punks that want to get on and tell us where we're at and want to show up to protest, you got something coming.
Yeah, and let me add to that.
So Tom, can you just add more detail for the audience?
Thank you for the question.
For the audience about this mask off thing.
So the Democrats are trying to say the ICE agents shouldn't have masks, which for the reason, I just think this is the most evil group of people.
You masked our children unnecessarily during COVID for three years, and now you want ICE agents to take their masks off because their lives are actually in danger.
Like actually, screw you, you guys are evil.
So the BLM to wear masks.
It's okay for the rioters to wear masks on college campuses that want to attack the Jewish students.
It's okay for the criminals to wear masks.
But the reason ICE is wearing masks is because the doxing is at a level we've never seen before.
They're not just doxing the agents.
They're doxing their wives and their kids through social media.
So they're wearing a mask to protect themselves, and I support 100%.
But it's just incredible how these legislators say, well, we want to unmask ICE, but the criminal protesters that turn criminal and violent and attack ICE agents, they haven't said a word about their masks.
So, you know, I support ICE wearing a mask, and I don't care what the legislation says, they're never going to pass it because we control both houses, and we're going to continue doing what we're doing to keep the agents safe.
I got more death threats than anybody.
I had a thousand protesters show up in my house, and I'll say it again.
You want some, come get some.
I'm going to give it.
But I'm telling the men and women of ICE, they are American heroes.
I'm going to have somebody remember this.
Every member of ICE, agents and the deportation officers, they're mothers and fathers too.
They have kids.
They don't hang their heart on a hook when they come to work.
They're enforcing the laws that Congress enacted and that they are appropriated with funding to do.
And they're executing orders by a federal judge to deport somebody.
They're not making this up.
If you don't like what ICE does, then change the law.
Until then, we're going to enforce the law without apology.
So, Tom, if this ever becomes a big problem, all you have to do is have Bobby Kennedy write a guidance memo saying they need to wear the masks.
They're afraid they'll get COVID.
And that's all, and everyone will be okay with it.
Fanchon.
Hi, Tom.
I'm from Nebraska, and I just want to thank you for ICE being there in Omaha.
But I also want you to know that you need to stay out west of Nebraska because we have a lot of meat packing plants out there.
We have tons of illegals in Nebraska.
I want to thank you for always coming to Charlie's events.
We love hearing from you.
I want you to know that when I pray for President Trump every day, I also pray for you because it does break my heart when I hear you say that your wife has to live separate from you.
So just thank you for what you're doing for our country.
Many of us really appreciate it.
Thank you very much.
She's a great patriot.
And I'm aware of Nebraska.
I'll be out there very soon to look for.
We're coming.
Will you make me dinner?
Because I haven't had a home-cooked meal in a while.
Fanchon, she's a rucksack.
My boss won't give me a day off.
Listen, the reason I support Charlie Kirk so much, he's on the right side of the issue.
He's picked the side.
He's not like a lot of people that want to dance.
He picked the side.
And I think this man here was a big part of why President Trump's in the White House.
Thank you.
Hello.
I'm from Lehigh Valley, Pennsylvania.
And I was wondering if there's a way for everyday Americans to file a report on someone who they suspect is an illegal immigrant, whether it be in a grocery store, a school, or the obvious spot, a Home Depot.
You go, get on the internet, go to DHS Tipline or ICE Tip Line, you can file a report there.
And we have a big team goes through those reports every day.
So if you got to go ahead and report it.
Lehigh, it's a great wrestling area up there.
You wrestle?
I've had coaches ask me, but I play tennis.
All right.
Great wrestling area up there.
Thank you.
We'll do a couple more, and then I got to let Tom get on stage.
In the previous administration, the Biden administration, was it protocol for if someone came in illegally and released, was it protocol for them to get a free plane ticket, free housing, food, and a free phone?
Has it always been this way?
And how much did that cost the taxpayers these past four years allowing that?
And do we know how many hundreds of billions of dollars that is?
Well, we're going to find out because I worked with Mark Green.
We're going to start having investigative hearings on exactly that issue, how these NGOs made billions of dollars.
But you're exactly right.
I said earlier, the Biden administration not only released them, they flew them to the city of their choice on a taxpayer-funded airline ticket.
They put them in a free hotel room at $500 a night.
They gave them three meals a day, free medical care, then work authorization.
And let me tell you why they did that.
We don't talk about this a lot.
Why did they do that?
We had empty ice beds throughout the nation.
We had thousands of empty ice beds at $127 a night, sitting empty, already paid for by the taxpayer.
They sat empty.
Why?
Because they knew they put them in an ice bed, they get a hearing within 40 days.
And 90% lose, and they'll be sent home.
They didn't want that.
They put them in an hotel room in a 90-tank docket because they knew the hearing would be three, five, seven years out.
Much as nine if you exhaust all appeals.
They played the long game.
They figured they do that.
Maybe another Democrat president comes into power and he gets millions of people to give amnesty to millions of people.
And that's why they're pissed off because they're ruining their plans right now.
That's right.
Bingo.
One other quick question.
I'm in the real estate development business and I see a lot of jails available throughout the country for peanuts.
Would ICE consider buying in any jails and reopening those jails for detention centers?
Yeah, we're working on that right now with a big, beautiful bill.
You'll be seeing a lot of requests for information, requests for proposals going out.
We got a lot of sheriffs offering beds in their facilities.
And we got, of course, got a lot of contractors willing to build soft-sided facilities and brick and mortar.
Again, we're going to have 100,000 beds.
So there's an opportunity for a lot of American companies to help us detain these people and deport these people.
So you're going to see that.
That should be happening this week.
A lot of requests for proposals going out.
Appreciate the question.
This will be the final question.
Hello, Tom.
Hello, Charlie.
I'm a Portlander, born and raised.
And I got to say, sanctuary status has been killing my city for the better part of a decade.
Sucking it drive, everything that made it beautiful.
You mentioned Portland a little bit earlier, but could you possibly go into more detail about what plans you have for Portland and Seattle, Chicago, the sanctuary cities?
Because I want my city back.
Yeah.
Portland's been a problem with ICE for several years.
The building's been attacked numerous times, been damaged, hundreds of thousands of dollars in property damage.
And the non-law enforcement personnel are at severe risk of personal injury and death threats.
And that concerns me.
You know, ICE agent, deportation officer, they have a Kevlar vest in the gun.
I don't want to see them in danger either.
But for the non-law enforcement personnel, they're afraid to come to work.
And the Portland PDs, they don't help.
It's a sanctuary city.
So I'm going out there and show the men and win of ice that I got their six.
I want to have their six.
And we're not running away from Portland.
The stuff that's happening in Portland right now is going to stop.
We've got zero talents.
You want to come to the ice facility and throw a rock, you're going to jail.
If you want to threaten an ice agent, you're going to jail.
It ends.
As a matter of fact, last night, I'll share this with you because I'm sitting at home Laura Ingram, and she's talking about the rock throwing.
While I'm watching it, I get a call from President Trump on the airline, and he says, enough.
Zero tolerance.
They throw a rock, you get out, and you arrest them, you put them in jail.
That starts.
You show all those haters how they want to keep throwing rocks.
You got something coming.
You throw a rock, you're going to jail.
That's all there is to it.
Zero tolerance.
Portland meets law and order again.
Thank you, Tom.
Thank you.
I just want to say in closing, everybody, what Tom is embarking upon is, in my opinion, we say this often on the show, the most challenging and ambitious public policy project in modern American history.
It pales in comparison to the Hoover Dam.
It's almost up there with the moon project.
To remove 20 to 25 million people that were let in by a previous administration as alien invaders, that is so difficult.
And it's going to come with ups and downs and lies from the media.
But at the end of that, just think about everybody, is a country that all of you guys actually remember.
And that's what you, it's finally in our grasp.
And that's why there's like no negotiation, no wavering, no amnesty, no exceptions, none.
I don't want to hear about any of that.
I've been hearing about amnesty my entire life.
Okay?
You know what your amnesty was?
Your amnesty was the last 30 years when no one actually patrolled this stuff.
Now playtime is over.
And Tom, I just say thank you sincerely from the American people because what you are doing is the most important part of this agenda.
