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July 7, 2025 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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Jeffrey Epstein...Did Kill Himself?
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Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here live from the Bitcoin.com studio.
Did Jeffrey Epstein kill himself?
What is the latest news from the Epstein files revelations?
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Joining us now is Mike Benz, the Foundation for Freedom Online.
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Mike, we're going to try to get through as much as we can with you.
Mike, let's just start with the facts for those people that were enjoying a Sunday evening.
You see, this is how perverse this all is.
Here I am on this beautiful Sunday evening, and the sun is setting, and the Cubs are up 11-0 at Wrigley Field on Sunday night baseball against the wretched St. Louis Cardinals.
My phone is lighting up like a Christmas tree all about Epstein.
I said, whoever is responsible for this will be forever scorned in my life.
I said, I had a beautiful Sunday evening.
The Cubs are finally good for the first time in a decade, and my daughter's watching the Cubs, and I have to worry about Epstein.
So what is it that got me so distracted away from the Cubs up 11-0 against the St. Louis Cardinals?
Mike Bence.
Well, we don't fully know yet because this is all happening both quickly and then kind of no official word.
This is basically an Axios exclusive that published what they said was the official results of the Justice Department investigation into Jeffrey Epstein, with the Justice Department concluding that Epstein killed himself,
that Epstein had no client list, and that effectively there was no further investigations pending into the Epstein affair, at least related to many of these key issues that so many people have been concerned about for the past several decades now, but especially since 2019.
Particularly, I think, the new information on there after what the FBI has been saying is the idea that there's no client list, that effectively the reference that Pam Bondi made earlier this year that the Jeffrey Epstein client list was sitting on her desk for review, that it actually did not exist at all is what that document suggests.
Now, what's interesting is we don't know how official that is from Axios.
They post a DOJ document on their news article write-up, and then within hours of uploading it, they removed the document from the article.
Now, I don't know if that's because of a potential legal action from the Justice Department against them.
It does not appear that the Justice Department gave them this exclusive, I should say, because there's no quotes from senior DOJ officials around it.
There's not, to my knowledge, been official acknowledgement by the Justice Department of this Axios report.
But effectively, the Internet pulled the document before Axios deleted it.
And now this appears to be quick.
So Mike, let's assume that it's real.
Because the reason why I think it might be real is no one has publicly come out and said it's not.
So we haven't seen like a, hey, we're going after a leaker type thing.
So let's just assume, you might be right, that it's real.
What did we learn?
They said that there is no client list, but we're not getting the victims list.
Will there be any files disclosed?
And also talk about the comment on how Jeffrey Epstein died.
Right.
Well, this now gives a Justice Department ratification, assuming that this is all true.
This gives a Justice Department ratification to what we've heard from the FBI for the past several months, that Epstein killed himself.
And this coming from the Justice Department is much, much bigger than it coming from the FBI.
The FBI is the investigative arm of the Justice Department, but the Justice Department is really the keeper of all information.
The elephant in the room around the Epstein story has always been the Justice Department's 2008 sweetheart deal with Jeffrey Epstein, where the senior DOJ official, Alex Acosta, reportedly said that he was, Quote, told to back off Epstein because he belonged to intelligence.
That was then effectively left a giant neutron bomb in Washington about how all of the potential child sex trafficking and Wall Street deal making and sort of covert arms dealing and everything that else that Epstein was involved in went much bigger than one kind of perverted megalomaniac figure,
but was rather tied to the highest levels of power in Washington, D.C. Now, at the time, the head of the Justice Department, Bill Barr, when Epstein died, was not only personally connected to the Epstein affair through Donald Barr, Bill Barr's father, who, of course, was with Jeffrey Epstein at the Dalton School.
Donald Barr was a part of the founding of the Central Intelligence Agency, and Bill Barr himself began his career, his first seven years at the CIA.
So there's been lingering questions for this Justice Department being more independent from those networks to be able to get answers.
Now, effectively, there really has been none on that side of it.
There's no supporting evidence that's provided in this Axios leak about the contents of what was reviewed.
For example, we don't know what conversations Pam Bondi may have had or not had with John Ratcliffe, the CIA director.
We don't know what search queries were put into CIA files or cables with reference to Epstein or the network.
Alex Acosta, the prosecutor who was reportedly made that statement about Epstein belonging to intelligence, and then when he was questioned about it, when he became a cabinet secretary official as the head of the Department of Labor for the Trump administration, publicly when he was questioned about it, he said he could neither confirm nor deny, which I think everyone thought was about as shady as it gets.
And then a very strange Justice Department Office of Professional Responsibility investigation only relegated the intelligence question to a single footnote where they reportedly asked Acosta a kind of tangential leading question saying, did you have knowledge that Epstein was an intelligence asset?
Acosta said, no, but that's a very easy no if you don't have firsthand knowledge.
Any lawyer would tell you answer only the question that you're asked, not any color on it.
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But is it true that there's a missing safe from Jeffrey Epstein after the FBI raid?
Is that correct?
I don't know about the contents of that.
I've read essentially secondhand reports on it.
I don't know about what the FBI's knowledge on that is.
And part of this is we're all operating in a vacuum because there's been no real transparency.
When Tulsi Gabber did the JFK files drop, they put 80,000 documents in a giant Wikileaks style index and said internet have added.
And that, I think, was a phenomenal example of how you at least engage with the public.
Even if the answers are not satisfactory, you're at least showing your work.
Here are the files that we saw.
Now you see them.
Come to your own conclusion.
Here's our conclusion.
This has not been done in the Epstein case.
We're getting, trust me, we've made this determination without any supporting files.
Well, and I know very much.
Again, I know the people involved.
I know Cash.
I know Bongino.
I know Pam Bondi.
So I tilt towards trust.
But do you trust what we're being told here, Mike?
Well, the issue is, is I don't operate on trust.
I think that Cash and Dan are phenomenal.
And I don't think that this is an FBI thing, frankly.
I think that when you're talking about the foreign intelligence networks that Epstein was involved in since 1981, this is his whole story once again.
So but do you mean Israeli intelligence, Saudi intelligence?
What do you think he was likely an attaché for?
I think you have a global network here that spans the Central Intelligence Agency in the U.S., that spans British intelligence, Israeli intelligence, Saudi intelligence.
How does Jeffrey Epstein go to be the primary financial embezzler, but the embezzler for Adnan Khashoggi, the guy who personally negotiated and fronted the money for the arms for hostages when we were running missiles to Iran during the Iran contrast.
And look, an even better argument, that's a good one, is that this guy goes from a math teacher to living a multiple billionaire type lifestyle with some of the most incredible real estate ever.
And no one has any records of trades from this guy ever.
So Mike, I think that you and I both believe that he had some sort of relationship with foreign intelligence and maybe domestic intelligence.
There's just no way he was able to get that magnitude of wealth that quickly.
Being a vastly unimpressive person when you met him in person, I never met him, but a lot of people met him that I know that, of course, were not involved in his whole scheme.
And they just said, this guy's underwhelming.
this guy was not some sort of brainiac.
He was kind of just very crass and very obviously into women.
That was his whole thing.
But so here's my question, Mike.
Why the shift where we were told there was a client list and now it doesn't exist?
Was that a rhetorical misstep?
Or do you think it suggests something else?
Well, it is very possible that Pam Bondi was referring to the so-called little black book, which was partially admitted into evidence during the Glaine Maxwell trial, and that referred to contacts and addresses rather than a formal client list.
I think that is possible.
But to me, the great unanswered question here is, why are we asking about the FBI when we should be talking about the CIA and getting answers on that question?
Because the CIA question will get you to the foreign intelligence aspects.
There's simply no way on planet Earth that the Central Intelligence Agency does not have documents at least referencing Jeffrey Epstein, given that his whole life story for the 30 years preceding his death was a CIA story.
Jeffrey Epstein was in the middle of Iran-Contra, the CIA operation to run guns to the Nicaraguan Contras and to funnel arms to Iran in illicit covert arms dealings with Adnan Khashoggi as the middleman.
And Jeffrey Epstein was the financial fixer for that.
It was Jeffrey Epstein who personally negotiated the transfer of the CIA's proprietary airline, Air America, which became Southern Air Transport.
After it was busted doing covert CIA drug and gun trafficking, it moved from Miami, where Epstein had one home, to Columbus, Ohio, where Epstein had the other, while he was working for Les Wexner.
That's right.
Exactly.
The Columbus is totally Wexner.
And Wexner, by the way, very well might also have foreign intelligence ties.
I mean, very well.
That's a CIA proprietary airline that Jeffrey Epstein negotiated to do that.
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So here's what I'm told.
Here's what I'm told.
I'm told that these are all under seal from the judge.
But can't the Department of Justice move to unseal things that were put under seal?
Isn't that technically the way that this could potentially be brought to the public?
Because I think we need mass disclosure.
I think we need more information.
At least for my under 30 crowd, I know my demo.
They are volcanic over this whole thing.
And by the way, the over 60 crowd, they're like Epstein, whatever, not a big deal.
No, but under 30, can you explain that to our audience too, Mike?
The hyper online under 30 crowd, this is a major, major issue.
Well, because if you can get away with this, you can get away with anything.
This was so in your face.
This was, you're talking about mass child sex trafficking with a, with a little St. James Island in broad daylight that everyone you know and love and see on TV is going there.
And if even that person is given a sweetheart deal by the Justice Department, is family friends with two attorney generals, Bill Barr and John Mitchell.
John Mitchell was the head of the Justice Department for Richard Nixon, who personally introduced Jeffrey Epstein to Adnan Khashoggi to do the CIA gun running during Iran-Contra.
If at the end of that, you don't get a single CIA file on this guy, despite having reported testimony from the head of the Justice Department, where now 11 months of his emails go missing, his DOJ.gov emails go missing as soon as the DOJ starts investigating.
And to have no transparent, I mean, this is supposed to be the most transparent administration ever.
It looked like when Tulsi was doing the JFK files, it looked like that was supposed to be a kind of prelude to the disclosures we were going to get on Epstein.
And it may be the case that Epstein killed himself.
It may be the case that there's no client list, so to speak.
But I want to see what they see.
You can show us the intelligence files that we're seeing.
There's so many layers here.
And Mike, you're doing an amazing job here.
There's so many layers.
What I am most interested in is the cover-up.
And look, are there a bunch of rich slobs in Palm Beach?
Not Donald Trump, obviously, because if Donald Trump would have been on here, they would have leaked it.
Are there a bunch of rich slobs in Palm Beach that were probably involved in some really sultry, beneath the table, disgusting sex stuff with Epstein?
Yes.
That's not like breaking news.
More importantly, and I think you're onto something.
Was he used as an instrument of domestic or foreign intelligence and was then used against our own country and for what purpose?
That's the question.
Mike Benz will have to have you on another time.
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Yeah, it destroyed California.
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You know, I grew up, parents were missionaries in Africa, and we ended up in California right after in 89.
And we lived from the Pete Wilson era following Ronald Reagan as governor to Pete Wilson to seeing that state go from the glory that it was to our country to a dismal piece of crap state.
I mean, to you know, to use articulate language, it's garbage now, and in large part because of mass amnesty, you're 100% right.
You know who was one of the biggest proponents or opponents of mass amnesty?
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Now let's go to what's going on in Texas.
It's an unspeakable, terrible tragedy.
What do we need to know about what's going on in Texas?
Walk us through what happened the last couple days.
How did this happen and how can people help?
Yeah, this is an unspeakable tragedy.
I was actually on my way home for the 4th of July.
It was the first 4th of July I was going to be able to spend with my family in four years.
I was driving, almost got to Texarkana, and then I got message that this was happening, turned around, came back down here.
And all I can think is, you know, I miss my family for 4th of July, but at least I get to go home and see them.
Most up-to-date numbers we just got this morning from the sheriff and city administrators.
82 dead with 55 adults, 27 children, 10 of these children from the Mystic camp, this Christian summer camp, that are still unaccounted for.
And I asked the question, what are we talking?
What's the total universe of missing?
And I've been asking that the last three days, and I have not gotten an answer.
Today, they said the same thing.
They can't give an answer.
I said, well, are we talking dozens or hundreds?
And the response was, a lot.
So you can read into that what that means.
It's not dozens.
And so that's where we're at right now.
This was a catastrophic weather event.
I also followed up the question, and not to get in the weeds on geoengineering and the rest of it, but there's no question about it.
Texas, a lot of these dry areas have been using cloud seeding for years to help the farmers in these areas.
Last year was one of the driest years on record.
In fact, the river actually stopped running last year, and so they've been using it.
And I just asked the question, as the mainstream media is going after this trying to pin this on President Trump, I think it's legitimate.
That's not legitimate, but what's legitimate is to say, are there other factors that played into this?
The fact that this storm came and stopped basically parked over Texas for hours and hours and hours.
And instead of jumping four inches to six inches of rain, it dumped over 15 in some locations.
That's where we're at right now.
It's a tragedy.
These kids should have, hopefully, you think back and you think, man, we should have gotten them out of there.
But coming from Arkansas, watching these weather patterns come up, you see this all the time.
Flood warning, flood watch.
You never think, I'm standing, just to give you perspective.
You can see the broken down car truck behind me.
If I turn the camera, you can see the river in the distance there.
I'm standing 15 feet underwater where this flood was.
The bridge back behind me there, the water went all the way up to the top of that bridge.
So the amount of water we're talking about is really unimaginable.
And it's something that doesn't happen.
So anybody out there saying, well, you should have known, you should have done, you should have done.
We could talk about all that stuff after the fact.
We definitely need to look at that.
Should we have flood sirens like we have tornado sirens?
Definitely worth talking about.
But right now, the entire focus is on finding those 10 missing girls and the rest of the missing now presumed, you know, moving from that rescue to recovery.
We're in that phase now, 72 hours.
Very few rescues will happen.
We keep praying, though, and that's my message to everyone.
Your final question, how can people help?
There is a community, Hill Country Community Foundation that's set up.
I would ask you guys, don't give your money to Red Cross.
Give your money local to the local community.
They know how best to spend it.
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You can go on the City of Kerrville's Facebook page.
You can get all the details there.
That's where I would ask you to send the money, send your donations.
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Let these guys do it.
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Keep the family in your prayers.
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Okay, really quick.
One minute remaining though, Ben.
People are blaming President Trump for this.
What is your response to that?
Yeah, it's absolute nonsense.
I watched East Palestine.
I watched North Carolina and Tennessee, the dismal failures of the last administration when they were blowing, wasting all of our money, trillions of our dollars on things, on garbage.
What President Trump is, is he is a businessman.
He's an efficient businessman.
Everything he does, the decisions he makes, are strategic to making decisions that help our country.
Everyone from the top down has said all of that is absolute nonsense.
The reaction, the response we're seeing here is the best response I've ever seen.
Again, having covered all those other disasters from the local, the state, and the federal level, this is by far the best response I've ever seen.
Anyone saying otherwise is a liar.
Ben Berquam, God bless you.
I hope you get home to your family soon.
Thanks for your great work.
Thank you.
My pleasure.
Thanks, Charlie.
Thanks so much for listening.
Everybody, email us as alwaysfreedom at charliekirk.com.
Thanks so much for listening and God bless.
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