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May 23, 2025 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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Following The Money... All the Way to Harvard
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Welcome to The Charlie Kirk Show, everyone.
I'm Alexander Marlowe, editor-in-chief of Breitbart News and host of The Alex Marlowe Show, filling in for Charlie while he's got a travel day.
And I start the show with a nine-minute beatdown on Harvard, where I explain exactly why Trump is banning foreign students from Harvard.
I think it's pretty good stuff.
Then we talk a little Maha before Mike Benz joins us, the great Mike Benz.
First, he explains why Harvard is actually undermining our national security.
And then he tells me the one big thing Republicans must cut in the big, beautiful bill.
Buckle up, everybody, because here we go.
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Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.
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Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
Thank you.
I want to thank Charlie.
He's an incredible guy.
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Morning, everyone.
Welcome to The Charlie Kirk Show.
My name is Alexander Marlowe, editor-in-chief of Breitbart News, in for my friend Charlie.
Many of you who don't know our history together, Charlie was just a young whippersnapper in high school.
He emailed us at Breitbart News an idea for a story, and we gave him the revolutionary idea of actually writing it up himself.
He got on Fox& Friends, he was all over the media, and he got the bug.
He got the bug to become a part of this movement, and he has been one of our leaders ever since.
It's been an amazing ride, and Charlie and I have been...
And I'm always grateful when he gives me the opportunity to fill in, particularly when it's a busy news day.
And there is a ton to get to, but I want to start with the big one.
The big one is Harvard.
Kristi Noem, the Department of Homeland Security, Donald Trump's administration, blocking Harvard from enrolling foreign students.
Harvard has already started informing students that you are going to have to find a new school.
We've got some audio of the Department of Homeland Security secretary.
Let's play cut 392, please.
You say it is a privilege, not a right, for American schools to be able to host foreigners on their campus.
Yes, that's exactly right, and this program has been in place for a very long time.
These policies have been in place for a long time, and Harvard brought these consequences upon themselves.
They have promoted and allowed violent activity on campus.
They have allowed anti-Semitism participation with CCP and Chinese infiltration and influence on their campus, and they haven't protected their students.
This is, of course, 100% accurate.
We know this about Harvard, that they are the least free speech campus, according to FIRE, throughout the United States of America.
They discriminate against Asians and Jews, among others.
They allow for hate speech on campus routinely.
And which, again, it's the sort of thing, we're free speech side on the right, but the left told us you're not allowed to do these things.
And they work extensively with China, including trying to cut corners in order to protect people within the CCP.
And what Trump has done here, which is really interesting.
He's called out China specifically.
The Chinese government.
At Breitbart News, we always wake up every morning and we read all the Chinese state media.
It's the first thing we do.
We don't go straight to the New York Times at Breitbart.
We go straight to the source.
We go straight to the Chinese state media.
They're furious about this.
They're already complaining about it, and that's a good thing.
We get a little more from the Homeland Security Secretary.
Let's play Cut 393.
Harvard's freshman class this year are foreign.
They're foreigners here on student visas.
What happens?
Where do they go now?
What do they do?
So 27% of their students are foreign students and they will have to find some other university to go to and hopefully they find one that cares about them and provides a safe environment.
Exactly.
They're going to have to find a new place to go.
And because this is a national security issue and the first question that comes to mind, And the bottom line is he is.
It is allowed.
The president has broad control over immigration status.
The executive branch does.
It's virtually unchallenged authority when it comes to visas.
So all it takes is for Secretary of State Marco Rubio to say we're canceling them, and that's it.
But what Trump is announcing they're going to do is you cannot stay here.
And this is all about cracking down on Trump.
And I want to bring this point up because this is so emphatic.
I think so much of what Trump has done in the beginning of his administration has been about targeting China, be it the tariffs, be it trying to broker peace and new deals around the world, being trying to reshore American manufacturing.
A lot of this has to do with countering China.
Take Greenland.
Charlie went over to Greenland.
Why do we want Greenland?
Because China is encroaching into the Arctic, and we want to be able to counter them with a bigger military presence and defense security presence.
He's actually called it out in this instance.
You might not know this, but Xi Jinping's daughter went to Harvard.
She went about 10 years ago, and Harvard protected her by allowing her to attend with a pseudonym.
So she was getting the Harvard education that we created, an American institution, quintessential, and it was hidden from the public, that the leader of our biggest geopolitical rivals was getting educated there.
That is outrageous in and of itself, and yet it was never discussed.
It's completely new to most people today.
Maybe you're hearing it on this show for the first time.
Maybe you're hearing it on another show that you like.
But today is the day where a lot of people are going to realize, hey, wait a minute.
Why are we Americans with $9 billion in taxpayer funds headed towards Harvard this year?
Why are we supporting this type of behavior?
It doesn't make any sense.
You're not supposed to be a foreign student who's a foreign adversary to come to America, learn how we do things, and be able to return to your country to be able to take advantage of our That's exactly what Harvard's been a part of for a long time, but not always.
And this is an incredibly important point.
Harvard was not always like this.
Harvard was created specifically by Americans because we did not want to have the next generations of elite.
Only come from Oxford and Cambridge.
This is a crucial point, and the media does not get this.
This is Jeffrey Toobin on CNN with Anderson Cooper.
Play Cut 398, guys.
Why don't we go to some other school where there's less controversy or go to another country?
I mean, that's what's really going on here.
It's going on with tourists.
It's going on with students.
They are worried about how foreigners are treated in the United States.
So why not go to college at Oxford instead of Harvard?
And that's, you know, that's a big loss to this country.
Yeah, this is the exact idea.
This is the opposite of what's going on.
What's going on is that Harvard was created to educate Americans to compete with the rest of the world.
It was not created to educate foreigners to go back to their countries and beat America.
How do we get this way?
It's wokeness.
It's leftism.
It's money.
It's following the money.
What's gone on here is that not all Americans can afford Harvard.
How much does Harvard cost, guys?
I don't even know.
It's going to be close to $100,000 a year at this point.
Not all Americans can afford that stuff.
Do you know who can pay?
Oligarchs, elites, aristocrats from around the world.
They come in.
They don't even just pay full freight tuition.
They'll come in and they'll make donations.
And they will come in specifically to get those dollars.
I know this.
I have inside sources inside of the Harvard fundraising apparatus.
And they specifically court foreign donors to try to get money.
If you are an American student and you're trying to compete, just note that you have to be better than foreigners who want to come in and get those visas from Harvard to make money.
Of course this is outrageous and it's never discussed and it takes a bold leader like Donald Trump to finally say, we're no longer going to do this.
Harvard was, it was fractionally.
I think it was about 20% foreign students.
I think it was about 20 years ago, the last math I did.
Now we're talking 7,000 international students at Harvard.
It's all ridiculous.
I'm not saying we don't want to get a handful of people.
We don't want that option of the best and the brightest of people who intend to stay in America, to become an elite in America, and to help America.
But that's not what we're seeing here.
We're seeing literally Xi Jinping's daughter coming in.
But it gets even better than that.
It gets even better than that.
Another thing that Trump is doing is he's continuing to take the lead, take the wood to Democrats.
Who is the chair of Harvard's board?
Who's the head of their board?
You guys know this?
Penny Pritzker, an Obama administration alum and the sister of J.B. Pritzker, who is going to run for president in 2028.
These are the wokest of the woke.
And so this is the Obama apparatus that Trump is running into right now.
He's doing this on purpose.
The Harvard board led by an Obama appointee.
And sister of the governor of Illinois who's going to run for president, who has stuck it out even through all the Claudine Gay stuff where she was busted plagiarizing.
They put a total fraud as president.
Pritzker is a Nepo baby.
She inherited all of her money and power because her family is heir to the Hyatt fortune.
That's how she got powerful.
That's why she's in charge of the Harvard board.
And the Harvard board, think of it as a part of the Democrat Party apparatus.
We're taking on China.
We're taking on the Democrat apparatus.
We are resetting things in a meaningful way.
There is no reason why you, the taxpayers, should be funding Harvard to the tune of $9 billion, especially with their $50 billion endowment, and especially when they don't go by basic American rights.
We can no longer keep giving our intellectual property to the Chinese for whatever pittance it costs their oligarchs to pay the Harvard board to get their kids in.
This is a brilliant idea from President Trump.
And legally speaking, I think these challenges are going to absolutely fail.
Trump is going to win this one.
And the Democrats, once again, are going to be supporting a wildly unpopular idea.
The American people want Harvard crackdown upon.
We have disdain for our elites right now.
Trump understands that, and he's going for it.
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Really happy to be in here for Charlie.
I specifically asked the guys to pull me a great clip of Charlie at Cambridge.
I love when Charlie goes to these campuses and going to Cambridge, where I actually did a summer school in Cambridge when I was 15 or so, and it was very influential on me.
And Charlie showed up, and let's see how it went.
Can we play cut 312, guys?
So you've condemned the Civil Rights Act of 1964 as a huge mistake.
Correct.
Why do you believe it was a mistake to pass anti-discrimination legislation, and what do you think would be better policy for being treated fairly unequally, which you see as an American principle?
Nothing against the intent, but it was too broadly written, and it played into something called disparate impact.
Disparate impact was woven within the Civil Rights Act, and disparate impact basically says if two racial groups have different outcomes, the answer must be racism.
It does not allow any legal nuance.
So there are four components to, quote unquote, the anti-racist regime of America.
I don't pretend to know what goes on in this country.
I could just talk about America.
I'm sure that's fine.
And it's four components.
Affirmative action, critical race theory, DEI, and disparate impact.
Those are kind of the four components.
All of them have their subsection.
The Civil Rights Act led the way to affirmative action, which is weaponized, quote unquote, reverse racism against Asian and white people.
And the Civil Rights Act also blazed the trail for disparate impact as a legal theory.
I'm saying that if black Americans are doing worse in a group, it might not be because of marital differences or cultural differences or single motherhood issues.
It must be racism.
And so because of that, the Civil Rights Act was too broadly written.
So the intent, it should have been a single-page or a two-page bill to say that you cannot discriminate against based on the color of somebody's skin, period, end of story.
Instead, we get a multiple hundred-page bill with lots of chapters and lots of lesser-known amendments that created basically a permanent anti-racist bureaucracy within our federal government to go find racism where it doesn't exist and create it in new places where it otherwise did not exist.
It's fantastic.
And I love how Charlie always got an explanation.
They think just bringing something up that you said is a dunk.
He's like, no, I've thought about this really hard, and you haven't.
So you probably should have been more prepared when you ask.
And it's great.
It's a great explanation.
And it's also really interesting to see right now in Trump's America how the whole concept of intersectionality is going to die.
The various interest groups are not in line anymore.
We're bringing all these sorts of people in, and this could be the end of intersectionality as we know it.
It could be the beginning of the end because when these groups don't all work as a block, Democrats can't move them.
They can't move individuals because their ideas aren't compelling enough.
They only move blocks of voters.
So if we can somehow chisel off a few of those blocks, which is what we're doing, then I feel like the future is going to be very bright.
It's going to have a lot of conservatism in it.
Great stuff from Charlie.
Great arguments as usual.
and they really are alarming.
It's unbelievable, terrible.
More than 40% of American children now have at least one chronic health condition.
Since the 1970, rates of childhood cancer have soared, in many cases, by nearly 50%.
50%.
Well, in the 1960s, less than 5% of the children were obese.
Now, over 20% are obese.
Just a few decades ago, 1 in 10,000 children had autism.
Today, it's 1 in 31. It is a striking thing in this country how we've gotten so much less healthy.
We've gotten less healthy mentally.
We've gotten less healthy.
We've got less healthy spiritually.
And there are very simple, fundamental things that we can do.
The first thing is that science should be evidence-based.
We should use a scientific method.
We should test hypotheses, and we should go from there.
We don't have to assume certain sciences are settled, like, for example, men in women's sports.
That's another one of those ideas that Trump has backed Democrats into supporting, which is just, it's so stupid, and history will all agree that it was stupid over time, but he's tricked all these Democrats to going all in on it.
We need to move around more.
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He wants to question it, and he wants to bring that to a—you've got to back it up with evidence, or we're going a different direction.
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All right, ladies and gentlemen, fan favorite here.
Mike Benz is here from the Foundation for Freedom Online and probably one of the most prolific online journalists working today in new media.
Mike, I got a couple things I want to get to with you, but the first one is I just want to watch you cook Harvard for a little bit.
Go for it.
Well, Harvard is...
I always say this.
Harvard, everyone thinks of it as a university.
It has very little to do with the university.
Structurally, it's a corporation.
The Harvard Corporation, which is a 12-person board, runs the Harvard University.
The Harvard Corporation now is run by Penny Pritzker.
It's the Pritzker family who brought the Barack Obama into political relevance in Chicago.
Obviously, J.B. Pritzker is the governor of Illinois to this day.
Penny Pritzker was the commerce secretary for the Obama administration.
She was the special envoy for the reconstruction of Ukraine.
She's worth about $4 billion.
She was the chair of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, which is one of the oldest think tanks in the country and was a frequent cover for CIA funding and CIA outreach work during the Cold War.
Documents as early as 1951 show the Central Intelligence Agency planning things in tandem with the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.
In fact, the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace was run from 2014 to 2021 by Bill Burns.
And Bill Burns only left the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, which had been previously chaired by Penny Pritzker, to run the Central Intelligence Agency.
And the Harvard Endowment, the $53 billion Harvard Endowment invests in.
So one of the most shocking examples that has been publicly declassified because of the U.S. government role in it and the scandals that resulted was how Harvard made billions of dollars looting the economy of Russia during what should have been the period of peace that would have unified the U.S. with Eurasia diplomatically when all of the trillions of state-held assets Of the entire Soviet empire
converted to capitalism and went through shock therapy.
Harvard teamed up with the U.S. government.
USAID at that time paid half a billion dollars to Harvard's USAID.
It was called the Harvard Institute for International Development.
And using Harvard economists and Harvard's international relations specialists and Harvard's practitioners of statecraft, Under effectively academic cover, the U.S. State Department and USAID worked with Russian oligarchs in control of the oil and gas sector, in control of the steel sector, in control of all the different sectors that previously held that wealth publicly.
They worked directly with Harvard and then gave the Harvard Endowment together with George Soros' Quantum Fund, because Soros and Harvard worked together.
Special private inside access to bid on all those assets.
So they got to buy up.
They got a first bite at the apple to buy up on the cheap all of these new assets that were previously held publicly for foreign populations.
They did the same thing all over Central and Eastern Europe.
And guess what?
that was the same policy that the CIA and the State Department had to take this wealth effectively and that would protect And you can see the logic of it.
But the fact is, is this revolving door has put Harvard completely at odds with the Trump administration's foreign policy, their foreign policy on Russia, their foreign policy on Ukraine, their foreign policy on liberal interventionism writ large.
And so you have this kind of economic hitman role that Harvard has played, and every system in that supports it.
The Belfer Center, for example, at Harvard, which hosts not just Samantha Power, she's there now, the USAID administrator who completely weaponized every aspect of that agency against half of the U.S. population through funding censorship initiatives, through funding initiatives that targeted Breitbart.
USAID went after the advertisers and had whole primaries on it.
The Belfer Center was deeply involved with that inside of Harvard as well, where Samantha Power now is.
The Belfer Center was actually teamed up with the Department of Homeland Security.
They had a formal partnership with the Department of Homeland Security.
The Belfer Center actually hosted DHS CISA events.
To censor the internet, Harvard coached the Department of Homeland Security ahead of the 2020 election, where they targeted 20 million Trump tweets and Trump supporter tweets as mis- and disinformation, and then worked to get a huge proportion of them censored at the narrative level.
The Belfer Center, and I've all this clipped, it's all on my X account if you just type in Belfer Center as a phrase, they coached them about how to set up, quote, incident response teams, and they actually put Breitbart In the repeat misinformation spreaders and went after domestic media voices through the Department of Homeland Security set up to stop another 9-11.
But that was done because the U.S. government is banned by the First Amendment from doing it.
So they reach into their partner network and they reached into Harvard to do that.
And Harvard also specializes in organizing riots.
And street protest movements, they call this non-violent action, or the term folks may have heard a lot, the term color revolution, named after things like the velvet revolution, the orange revolution, the green revolution, these sorts of things.
The end stage of that is a street protest that removes the government from power by destabilizing it and making the police and law enforcement and military helpless.
Against the throngs of hordes in the streets.
And Harvard has an entire center on nonviolent action in order to organize those things.
Well, what is Erica Chenoweth, for example, and Maria Stefan from the Belfer Center now doing now?
They're organizing the Tesla takedown protests, the street protests that effectively wedged Elon Musk, I think in certain respects, off of aspects of the White House by effectively...
And so this is the sort of stuff that the Belfer Center was doing in Yugoslavia and in Ukraine ahead of the overthrow of Slobodan Milosevic and the Maidan revolution.
And so we funded this network.
We've trained this network with a very special set of dark arts skills.
And they are now using it against our own people and our own government, getting $9 billion worth of federal funding in the process.
Mike, this is essentially the question I want to ask.
The history of Harvard is that it was founded by Americans for Americans to educate Americans so we would compete with and eventually surpass the elite universities overseas.
Now, this is something that is used to empower foreign governments to give our intellectual know-how to foreign leaders to clandestinely – All of this stuff feels fundamentally against the original vision for Harvard and certainly against anything we would want to spend $9 billion on.
Where is the disconnect here between the Democrats and anyone who is defending this behavior and where we're at here in Trump's America?
Well, the issue is that because of the supply chains, because of the manufacturing and labor, Harvard began to bet on China.
Harvard began to bet on a world order.
That did not put the United States first.
And so I think you see this reflected in much of the Democrat Party.
You had the Biden first family directly profiting off of deals with China.
Hunter Biden famously made $10 billion through CEFC China Energy.
Hunter Biden was brokering the sales of LNG ports in Louisiana to China.
You have huge portions of the diplomatic class.
You have huge portions of the California power base.
Nancy Pelosi and Gavin Newsom, as China effectively offers California a lifeline and is doing development deals.
And so you have this skating towards where the puck is going.
And the problem is, is that puts the United States in a death spiral because They're not actually advancing U.S. interests as they do it.
And part of that is I think the U.S. State Department, as well as the Central Intelligence Agency and aspects of our Defense Department, have moved into this as well as the contractors have seen the markets in China and have seen the markets in other hostile foreign nation states.
I think this is a lot of what was behind the Iran deal, this move to open up the oil and gas.
And Trump put a ban on that during his administration.
But then two months into the Biden administration, China bought, in March 2021, China signed a $400 billion deal with Iran to buy their oil and gas.
I think this is also what's giving rise in part to some aspects of the Israel-Palestine conflict on college campuses, is that Bill Burns, the CIA director for Joe Biden, personally negotiated the Iran deal.
And the whole network is involved in that.
The Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.
Mike, this is extraordinary.
Hold that thought.
I want to cut in with some breaking news.
Federal judges blocked the Trump administration from revoking Harvard's ability to enroll foreign students.
This is a district judge, Allison D. Burroughs.
I will tell you guys, I have run this case by Harvard-educated attorneys.
And they're very optimistic Trump is going to win the long game on this one, that he's righteous here.
And if Harvard challenges it, they might be able to pick off one rogue judge.
But this is looking good, so we will keep you posted on that as that develops.
So probably weeks on that.
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All right, one other thing that's huge news, it's actually a leading story at Breitbart.com as we're recording the show, is that Trump has threatened Apple with a 25% tariff on iPhones that are not made in the USA.
And I have to tell you, he doesn't surprise me too often, but I was surprised by this one.
Let me read this truth bomb from Trump.
I used to like when he called him Tim Apple.
He should bring that back.
I've long informed Tim Apple that I expect their iPhones will be sold in the United States of America, will be manufactured and built in the United States, not India or anyplace else.
If that is not the case, a tariff of at least 25% must be paid by Apple to the U.S. Thank you for your attention to this matter!
I love how he's adding now, thank you for your attention to this matter, no matter what.
It's one of the funs inside.
Things he's doing.
But I will tell you, I was a little surprised here because this is really hardcore.
When Trump pulled back from having the – when he put the Apple tariffs on or all the tariffs on China, I thought one of the things he was doing was he was going to encourage Apple to not necessarily come all the way back to the United States but at least not do business with China.
I thought that was a pretty genius move.
Apple announced a really big plan, a really big deal.
In India, which India is much more hospitable to the United States.
Obviously, I would prefer if everything is done here, all the manufacturing comes back to the United States.
But I thought that was a super intelligent and subtle way to at least get Apple to decouple from China.
And I was going to take the W on that.
Not Trump.
He's going a step further.
This is surprisingly hardcore for me.
And I thought that he would just be fine with these phones not being made in China.
No, he doesn't want them made in India.
He doesn't want them made in Brazil.
And I got to admit, I kind of like it.
And he is just putting his foot on the gas over and over again to prove that it is important for the United States to be a high-tech manufacturing hub.
People keep saying we won't do it.
He's saying we're going to do it.
Lots of people are going to say this is impossible.
We could not possibly manufacture iPhones in the United States.
Trump is saying, I'm going to prove you wrong.
And he does this so often.
And so often he's proven exactly.
Conservatives are ostensibly in charge here.
What are the cuts that you want Washington to be focused on right now as they work through Trump's big, beautiful bill?
For the life of me, I cannot understand how the National Endowment for Democracy continues to be funded by the Trump administration.
This is completely outrageous to me.
There were many gestures early in the Trump admin that funding would be cut to this organization.
I believe J.D. Vance even got in a spat with them on X saying, well, if you're doing anything useful, why is the cover photo on your X account and your webpage a picture of the Cold War?
The Cold War's been over for 30 years.
But the fact is, is the National Endowment for Democracy has taken its CIA origins.
It was literally conceived of in the office of William Casey, the CIA director, in 1983.
Its founders told the New York Times publicly that it was created because it was terrible.
The direct quote is it was terrible when groups in the 1960s That's why the endowment was created.
So both the CIA and the founders itself openly concede that its role is to be an NGO version of the Central Intelligence Agency, and that played a very useful role in the Cold War in the 1980s.
In toppling foreign governments that had autocratic features and were left-wing communist socialist in nature and helped open up them to capitalism and to Western liberalism and all the rest.
In fact, they were so effective that the New York Times in the early 1990s said that We don't even need to confirm.
I think it was Bob Gates as the CIA director because we don't need the CIA anymore.
We have the National Endowment for Democracy.
But they have pivoted completely from countering left-wing communism to countering right-wing populism.
And we have a populist president here.
The National Endowment for Democracy bragged about censoring Trump voices, had entire operations to stop Trump from the inside.
And the fact that they remain what appears to be almost fully funded is like voluntarily giving your own government cancer.
And I can't for the life of me, other than donor pressure or a need to appease Congress in order to get other parts of the bill passed, understand why this administration would continue to fund that.
Absolutely brilliant.
Mike Benz.
Check him out online at Mike Benz Cyber on Twitter, foundationforfreedomonline.com.
You guys all know Mike's stuff, and he's an invaluable part of this movement.
I absolutely love filling in for my friend Charlie Kirk.
If you've liked what you heard today, there's a lot of places to find me.
It's an incredible country, and we love fighting for it.
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