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Okay, joining us now is Senator Roger Marshall.
Senator, thank you so much for taking the time.
So the big, beautiful bill passed last evening, and now you guys got to get to work.
What are you expecting?
What is the process?
And then let's get down into the particulars.
And I think our audience needs to learn that you guys can make changes to the bill, and then there's a process of reconciliation between the two chambers.
Is that correct?
Senator, please walk us through it.
Yeah, Charlie.
First of all, are you tired of winning?
I mean, my gosh, that clip that's going viral there with you, President Trump, a big win last night.
And just congratulations to him, as well as Speaker Mike Johnson.
President Trump is the best closer in the country.
So Mike Johnson gave us the best bill that he could get passed over there.
Think of the Senate as like a saucer.
And think of the House as a hot cup of coffee and it's spilling over.
The job of the Senate is to take that bill and make it better.
I think for us over here, What I'm looking at is, where can we save some more taxpayers' dollars?
Where are the opportunities to cut some spending?
What do we do with those SALT taxes?
So I think that's the big thrust over us here.
How can we make this bill better?
How can we deliver on President Trump's promises, no tax on tips, overtime, Social Security, make the Trump tax cuts permanent?
This bill has the potential to save an American family $1,000 a month.
So that's how important this bill is.
So what is the—again, I'm just catching—I'm getting cut off the speed here.
What was the final result of salt out of the House?
What did they finally vote on?
And what do you think its future would be in the Senate?
And just give our audience a quick reminder of what state and local tax deductions are.
Right.
So in these big blue states, they have high taxes, and they're able to deduct that from their federal taxes.
So this—what the House has done will still cost American taxpayers— $300 billion over the next 10 years.
So they're going to let people from these blue states write off up to $30,000 of their taxes, which will decrease revenue to the state.
So this feels like people from Kansas are subsidizing the- 100%.
I'm right there with you.
Sorry to interrupt you.
Keep going.
I think SALT is a scam that punishes great states like Kansas.
Please keep going.
It is that simple to the tune of $300 billion over 10 years.
So what else could we do with that $300 billion?
We could deliver the president's Golden Dome.
That would be one simple thing and more.
We would take that money and make Medicaid and Medicare even better.
There's just better ways to spend that money.
We can use it to secure the border, to help our military out, to give our troops more wages, all those types.
It's real money, $300 billion.
And so here's where people get a little confused.
How is it that a bill can pass the House and then change in the Senate?
And is it possible to now bring maybe the SALT deduction down to $10,000?
That would actually help us close the deficit a little bit.
And again, just to reinforce this, SALT is essentially saying, California, you can't run a good state.
New York, you can't run a good state.
Therefore, you have ridiculous pension problems and you have outrageous mass migration and the dumbest type of spending policies.
And we're going to now subsidize that.
Do you think we can maybe crawl it back to a $10,000 deduction, which would which would save hundreds of billions in So it's at $10,000 now, as I recall.
So STAL stands for state and local taxes.
So if your state and local taxes are high, the more motivated you are to try to write those off.
You know, most Kansas wouldn't have $10,000 of state and local taxes to write off.
But to answer your question, so the House passed a bill.
We could pass their bill exactly as it is.
And it's a good bill.
It's probably got 80, 90 percent of what I'd like to see in it.
But if the Senate makes any major changes, it'll have to go back to the House a second time.
And that's where the tricky part is, Charlie.
As much as you and I want to face this federal...
We also got to pass it and we don't want to lose the House.
So there's a dozen House members that I'm making that number up.
I'm not sure how many House members are that are really, really from these purple districts with high property taxes that this, you know, they may not get reelected.
They may not get reelected anyway.
But I can sure tell you, for damn sure I can tell you, that if we don't get some type of a good, big, beautiful bill out of here, none of them should get reelected.
I totally agree.
And so...
The other elements, let's just brag on some of the good stuff that people don't know about what's in the bill.
We are taxing remittances for the first time ever, which is a financial penalty for illegal immigration into the United States of America.
It's the largest border funding and border security bill in American history.
We're getting illegals off Medicaid, which is major and it is massive.
We are also seeing no tax on tips, no tax on overtime.
I don't think we got no tax on Social Security.
But hopefully eventually we'll get that.
We're doing work requirements and means testing.
We are also seeing the Golden Dome investment.
Please brag, Senator, on some of your favorite elements of this bill because there's a lot more goodies in this bill than I think our audience even realizes at times.
Right.
So what we did with Social Security, since by the law, we cannot touch Social Security, but what we did is we're giving seniors a $4,000 tax credit in addition.
So essentially, we're not going to tax their social security, but doing it in a different way.
We increased the child tax credit.
Look, Republicans doubled the tax credit in 2017 with this bill, and now we increased it another $500.
So we increase the tax deduction for having children to $2,500 as well.
That would be another answer.
A little Second Amendment, we've slipped in there.
There are some rules and regulations around what I would call a silencer, a muffler on guns, that type of thing.
So there are a whole lot of low-hanging fruit in here.
The Golden Dome is in here, President Trump's Golden Dome, the first down payment on some type of satellite system to help intercept nuclear warheads, that type of thing.
huge pay raises for our troops We have 400,000 violent criminal aliens in this country.
It is way more expensive, Charlie.
It may cost $100,000 per person to escort them out of this country.
Thank you, Joe Biden.
And we'll take care of that for four years.
We don't have to go back to the Democrats every year and say, hey, we want money for the border.
We want money for the military.
So we have significant money in here to take care of the military, for the most part, for four years, and the president's border security and the removal of illegal aliens.
So I'm confident that this will pass.
I know that you are a pro-life warrior from Kansas, and thank you for that.
It did pass in the current form of defunding of Planned Parenthood.
I'm told that I could run into a little bit of a thicket in the U.S. Senate.
Susan Collins, who I really like, she actually has always said that she is pro-choice and that this is a red line.
Do you think that there is an opportunity to keep defunding a Planned Parenthood in there?
I know that discussion is ongoing.
And what is your message to pro-life warriors that have been fighting so hard for this cause for years?
Oh my gosh.
So I assume that we're losing Susan Collins' vote no matter what.
It's a 50. I think we'll lose her on Medicaid, a few others.
And I respect her.
She is representing a Democrat state.
I get it.
I totally agree.
She's an R and a D state.
You've got to cut a lot of margin there.
Please keep going.
But nobody else has an excuse.
I agree.
Nobody else has a damn excuse.
And they need to get in here and play the game.
And if you get 90% of what you want, we better pass this bill and move on.
And I'm sick about where our federal deficit is now.
We could come back and do five shows on that.
We spent an hour yesterday as a Republican caucus talking about the national debt and what's going on with selling our treasuries, that type of thing as well.
But I do think we get there.
My message to my pro-life people is...
We did what we wanted to do.
We sent most of the issues back to the state.
And now the states need to do their job as well.
But we're still losing a million babies every year.
A million.
Most of them are from this abortion pill.
And we're trying to do some things there to curve the edges around it.
They're able to just call up and basically mail order this pill without having any idea how far along the patient is.
So I'm working on that up here.
But Planned Parenthood is the number one source of not just the abortions, but this abortion pill as well.
So we'll defund them, and this is probably the second biggest day for the pro-life group after the Dobbs decision, I think, if we get this across the finish line.
Really quick, thank you for that, and I pray we can keep the defunding of Planned Parenthood in this bill.
So fight hard for that, Senator.
The base is really watching on that.
Maha Report is out.
I know you're the chair of the Maha Commission.
What can we expect, or what is in it?
Senator about a minute and a half remaining.
Look, I think number one, when I think about Make America Healthy, Great Again, Healthy Again is 60% of Americans have a chronic disease of some sort.
Most of it is nutritionally related or related to toxins.
So I expect this Maha report to talk about the importance of soil health and the nutrient quality that we're feeding to our, especially our children.
For whatever reason, I'm especially concerned about the children getting them off to the right foot as well.
The toxins that they're being exposed to are probably in these ultra.
So, 70% of the calories Americans consume are in ultra-processed foods, so I think that they'll address that as well.
I made a few notes.
Gold standard science.
I really, as a doctor, can't sit there and say what type of oil is best to cook supper in tonight.
Is it soybean oil?
Is it tallow?
What is it?
So, we need gold standard research, not influenced by commercial operations as well.
Look.
50-60% of Americans are on a prescription drug right now.
And I think we want to look into what that's all about as well.
Senator, keep up the great work and get your colleagues in the ring.
Cut some slack for Susan Collins.
The rest of them have no excuses.
Pass it.
Be bold.
Be courageous.
Be transparent.
And let's deliver a win together.
Thank you so much, Senator.
Yeah, that's right.
Let's make America great again.
Thank you.
Thank you, Senator.
Keep fighting.
Great job.
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Awful.
And last night, Sarah Milgram and Yaren Lichinsky, a young couple who were Messianic Jews, so they're Jews who gave their life to Jesus, We're attending an event in Washington, D.C. at a Jewish cultural center.
They leave the event, and waiting for them is this evil lunatic who drove from Chicago, 30 years old, all the way to Washington, D.C., and assassinated both of them in cold blood in public eye.
I'm not going to say the assassin's name because the assassin wants to be as well known as Luigi.
And that's an incentive that's a very big problem.
Without getting into all the details of what this guy believed or where he got the information from, he did say free Palestine.
So this is 100% a hit job against Jews.
This is a hit job against people that support Israel.
But I want to take another...
Element, another wrinkle here.
The Luigi effect is not going away.
It's disturbing.
It's scary.
In fact, we saw another assassination attempt very similar to the Luigi one.
You don't know the Luigi Maggioni case.
Of course, he murdered the healthcare CEO in cold blood and then is a hero on the left.
People love Luigi on the left, the far radical left.
This is going to continue to be a problem.
The movie The Joker, I think, shows the type of nihilism that is seeping into so much of this one-off criminal activity.
Some people on social media, and I'm just going to gently push against it, and I wrote a tweet about this, are blaming people that have been critical of the war in Gaza as to say, that's why this person got radicalized.
Guys, I have to be very clear.
It drives me crazy when a right-wing person does violence and they try to blame me for it.
I think that's very sloppy.
I think it's very...
Or they say, Charlie, you're responsible for January the 6th.
I think we have to resist that temptation.
I think we have to say it's just not true.
I wrote this in a tweet, and I liked what I said.
Just because an idea is provocative or even offensive does not make it violent.
Every person is responsible for their own agency, and I would make an argument that that is a misleading target as to why this happened.
It's less about the influences ideologically and more about, I think, how this person thinks the Luigi effect could benefit him.
The Luigi effect is a serious issue where they believe that they can become a social media martyr for that cause, not just the action itself, but that you then can become the face of the resistance against your said struggle.
Thank you.
This is a terrible story, and one that I'm sure we're going to learn more as time proceeds.
It's a tragic and unspeakable another chapter in this ongoing national schism.
This young couple was about to be engaged.
They had their entire life ahead of them.
They did nothing wrong except they held a political view about a foreign country that this lunatic did not share.
This guy had just bought a ring.
He had everything planned out to get married to her.
And their punishment for supporting Israel ended up being an assassination.
In the middle of the street and in total cold blood.
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Joining us now is a great friend, a warrior, a fighter for liberty and truth, James O 'Keefe.
And I'm thrilled about what might be happening here after a bitter struggle of multiple years.
James, my friend, great to see you.
Please share with our audience this promising news.
Hey, Charlie.
Great to be with you and great job in England.
Thank you.
You're a very brave man.
I'm surprised they didn't arrest you for saying what you said.
Well, I've got to be honest.
I tried my best and I was disappointed that I did not get into handcuffs.
I would have loved to have become a political prisoner because I think Marco Rubio and President Trump would have made a couple phone calls.
But I tried my best.
Well, they don't have a First Amendment over there, so what you did was very brave and I thank you for that.
I report to you all today that people are asking what actually happened at Project Veritas, the organization I founded.
And I've released, Charlie, a movie released yesterday on my website called The Truth Inside Veritas.
There's a 12-minute video we published online.
Apparently, in these depositions in the court case between me and my organization I founded, board members admitted that they were in business together.
They had various entanglements.
And they were co-investing in medical companies that, quote, could be sold to Pfizer.
As you recall, I investigated Pfizer two years ago, did a huge story on the director of mRNA research and scientific planning.
Just a week later, I was fired.
Now it turns out they had investments.
You're looking at a federal deposition of George Skakel, and he's admitting that he was in business with these other board members, Charlie.
So this is kind of some breaking news here.
And I am in talks to retain control.
Get back in control of Project Veritas, the nonprofit that I once founded.
That is amazing, James.
And just remind our audience the very difficult couple years you had to go through and what it would mean to now reassert control over Project Veritas.
Well, I mean, you and I have talked about this in Arizona and elsewhere.
It's a lot of things.
This film, The Truth Behind Veritas, is really a story about original sin.
I think what we do...
The investigative video journalism getting sued all the time.
By the way, I got sued last week by one of these deep state guys that we busted.
I think people are put under pressure.
They're put through a high-powered lens.
But when you run an organization, you have people who feel entitled, who sometimes get jealous or get envious, and that can turn very toxic.
It can grow vindictive when people don't get what they want.
But also when you're being raided by the feds, when you're being It's very, very difficult, Charlie.
I've talked about this extensively.
It's very painful to go through that.
We've all been through it to some degree, if you've ever built anything.
And I learned some lessons about who to surround myself and who not to surround myself with.
And you've got to have really strong people who are very virtuous people who are willing to tell the truth and shame the devil.
Not an easy thing to endure, but hopefully this will all get resolved very soon.
What has this process taught you about yourself, going from when they took your nonprofit from you, Very good question.
I think the number one lesson I've learned is, you know, I would say, Charlie, everyone can come into my inner circle.
If you want to be involved, by all means.
And I know that you get this.
I get this every day.
Hundreds of messages of people wanting to help.
And it's one thing for them to help with the grassroots level, but I think letting them into your inner sanctum, I think, and I hope you would agree, you really do have to be careful with who you surround yourself with.
You can't let everybody into your headquarters, you know, close to you, because I think people will, they will betray you when the going gets tough.
Not because you've done anything wrong, but because they're incentivized to.
I think one of the things I've struggled with is how to reconcile the instinct for self-preservation with always doing the right thing.
And if you're going to be a truth-teller, and I mean if you're really going to be a truth-teller, the self-preservation and self-interest come into conflict with that.
So you have to find people who are almost messianic, who are mission-driven, who are self-sacrificial to a certain degree.
If you want to do this type of truth-telling.
So what I've learned is discernment.
And perhaps I was slightly naive.
But I also think, like I said, this is a story about original sin.
You watch this film and it's really remarkable.
The vindictiveness and the pettiness of people.
And also, you know, sometimes it just comes down to money.
It just comes down to money.
And you heard Skakel say in the movie, he points at his house and says, you can't afford my house, O 'Keefe.
And that statement just said so much about who he is.
And unfortunately, you got some people here who I probably shouldn't have hired.
Let's play cut 377.
I shouldn't have trusted these guys, but I did trust these guys.
A lot of people thought there was malfeasance.
I prefer to say ignorant of those events.
I didn't want to know.
Nonprofit boards of directors can be very, very dangerous.
Fortunately, I have recordings and documents to back up everything I'm about to tell you.
Employees, we're starting to bundle up and talk.
If we're about to paint James as a criminal, it better be What did we just see there, James?
We have a podcast and radio audience.
I mean, that is very dramatic.
Oh, yeah.
It's very cinematic.
For those of listeners who are not seeing this, this is Baroque paintings and images of me nailed to a crucifix.
Employees accusing me of stealing pregnant ladies' sandwiches.
Bizarre, strange human envies and jealousies and pettiness, but this is incredible.
I mean, I'm not just saying this.
It took us two months to make.
Very well done.
Very artistic.
You see courtroom deposition footage.
These are public proceedings.
People ask me, Charlie, well, how can you air all this footage from a court case?
Deposition footage is public proceeding.
So this is a really remarkable film that actually takes you inside the boardroom at Project Veritas where you get to hear these grievances.
You actually hear a recording of the board meeting, of the board members who fired me, the reasons for firing me, which are so bizarre, it almost seems fake, but it's real.
And that's what you're watching here on the screen about what really happened.
Joe Rogan yesterday, Charlie Kirk.
Joe Rogan on the air with Aaron Rodgers asking, whatever happened with James O 'Keefe and Project Bear?
Why doesn't O 'Keefe release the tapes?
Well, ironically, literally, I did while he was saying that yesterday.
And so I guess the final question I have, James, and by the way, I have your back 100%.
I've had this entire process, and I'm thrilled to see that you're going to be on the right side of this.
I know we talked about this a lot throughout the years, and I hope our audience is getting closure here.
What is next, then?
Do you believe the grassroots are ready to continue this rise of citizen journalism?
Man, I think the type of journalism that we do is a little bit different than perhaps commentary journalism.
Creating business models as I speak to you about how to make this sustainable.
I got sued last week by one of the guys I busted in the Pentagon.
It's not cheap.
And I think citizen journalism is not free.
It costs money to do.
And I built a non-profit.
Now we have Citizen Journalism Foundation.
Hopefully we acquire Project Veritas here and we change the name back to Project Veritas Foundation.
But I don't know if the commercial imperative, Charlie, is fully compatible with investigative journalism.
In other words, I don't know that it can be profitable.
And therefore, I don't know how to make it sustainable, but I'm working on it.
And we've done some big stories in Epstein the last couple weeks.
We have more stories coming in our federal government exposing corruption.
And I said this, and I mean this sincerely, the stuff that I have on video, particularly in Washington, D.C., of these contractors, people should be going to jail.
And if they don't go to jail, then I'm going to have serious questions about who our prosecutors are.
But I'm trying to make journalism sustainable, and I'm trying to create business models for it.
But also, Charlie, reckoning with these aspects of human nature that make it difficult to do when you're telling the truth and when you're shaming the devil.
Instincts for self-preservation often come into conflict with what you're doing.
And that's why I wanted to tell this story.
And it's an ongoing story, but I wanted to tell the story.
Keep fighting, James.
We have your back.
Hope to see you soon, my friend.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
Bye-bye.
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I want to dance around here a little bit, but I do want to complete a very important point.
We talked about the Big Beautiful Bill.
There are a lot of details about the Big Beautiful Bill that are not necessarily getting coverage.
Do I wish that it would cut more spending?
Of course I do.
However, it does cut some spending.
It rolls back a lot of the Biden-era Green Energy Inflation Reduction Act nonsense.
Does some good reforms to Medicaid, doesn't do enough, but does some good work requirements to Medicaid.
The tax cuts are awesome.
Chip Roy got some very important concessions.
Chip Roy, he drove a really hard bargain, fiscal conservative, and I appreciate that from him.
We need more fiscal conservatives back in the Republican Party because debts do matter and deficits do matter.
Chip Roy got in the massive spending bill up to $12 billion to reimburse states for border security during the Biden administration, which is terrific.
So it's given $12 billion back to states to reimburse Texas and Arizona for all the border security that they've been doing.
By the way, we've got to get rid of Katie Hobbs.
That's why we have fully endorsed Andy Biggs.
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No tax on tips.
No tax on overtime.
Major, major, major tax cuts across the board.
We're going to be taxing remittances, which is very important.
The border security here is probably the best takeaway.
We now have border security funding that will live on beyond Donald Trump.
That is what is important.
We now have the border security funding for more deportations, more border force.
Which, by the way, that is one thing I think that we can...
Take from the Brits.
They call their Border Patrol Border Force.
I'm sorry, that's way cooler than Border Patrol.
Like, way cooler.
When you enter, they say, now check in with Border Force.
I was like, man, I like that.
We got it.
That's some good branding.
Chip Roy says he voted yes.
It accelerates the Medicaid work requirements from three years, from 2029 to 2026.
Huge.
Helped stave off further Obamacare expansion by aligning SDPs in Medicaid rates, froze the state provider taxes to ensure states don't grow their money laundering schemes, paid tax understates back for the border security, and began to claw back the Green News scam put on steroids by the Inflation Reduction Act, namely by putting in place a required construction start within 60 days of enactment and much earlier, and all designed to limit the reach of these subsidies.
So is it a perfect bill?
Nothing's perfect, but it is a great bill.
Are you kidding me?
This thing's really good.
There's a lot of good here.
And by the way, we also get a chance at the budget later this year.
This is not the budget bill.
This is just reconciliation.
This unleashes energy.
We're going to drill baby drill.
By the way, remember that thing where I said we need to get it in the bill for that $1,000 Trump account for every new baby in America?
That's in there.
That's in there.
It extends tax cuts.
Also, breaking news.
President Trump and the Trump administration has blocked Harvard's ability to enroll international students.
No more jihadis or Chinese spies under the guise of education.
I'm sure they're going to love that one at Harvard.
It's going to be quite lively.
A lot going on.
We'll continue to dive into that story.
All this to say, the big, beautiful bill is going to be signed if the Senate does its job.
We've got to crawl back the SALT thing.
The SALT thing is a total scam.
The SALT thing, you can't subsidize Blue State.
You can't subsidize J.B. Pritzker and Gavin Newsom.
