Immigration, Harvard, and Biden — Charlie vs. UC Riverside
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Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here, live from the Bitcoin.com studio.
Today on the Charlie Kirk Show, my conversation with a bunch of students at Cal State Long Beach.
We talk about MS-13, Abrego Garcia.
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First of all, I just want to say I have a lot of respect for you, but obviously we just disagree on a few things.
The main thing that I just want to talk about is the issue of immigration.
And personally, I don't think it's a bad thing for America.
In fact, I do think that it's an amazing thing for America.
But mostly the thing that I'm trying to hit on is how many immigrants are being persecuted right now, including Kilmar Obrego Garcia.
Before you respond, or before I even say anything, I just want to acknowledge the fact that we are right now on stolen land, and that we are on indigenous land, and that we are on original Mexican land right now.
And for a lot of you guys that are Latinos for Trump...
Woo!
Okay, now I get in.
Wait, so I just want to make sure.
I love this stolen land argument.
Okay.
If we stole the land and you're mad about it...
Well, I'm not saying that...
I'm just saying that right now, especially the things that we're taught in school, in public education, we're taught about the Alamo and how it was this amazingly patriotic act, though it was literally stealing a base from the Mexicans in their own land.
I think that that's kind of the wrong angle to be looking at things, and that's why I really make it a point to notice that I'm on stolen land at all times, especially when we think about things like Manifest Destiny.
Who did the Mexicans steal the land from?
Actually, the Mexicans were there originally in Texas.
No, not correct.
They stole it from lots of Indian tribes.
That's not correct.
Thousands of years before, they were Indian tribes.
The Mexicans actually stole the land.
Originally, Mexicans were Aztecs and Mayans.
Hold on.
Texas was not indigenously Mexican, though.
There was the Cherokee.
There were many different Native American tribes there.
So Mexico was participating in Manifest Destiny at the behest of the Spanish crown.
Yes, at the behest of the Spanish crown.
So at some point, you have to believe in self-determination.
If you can win the land, it's yours.
That is what built the West.
I can agree with you on that.
And so instead of saying land acknowledgement, we're on stolen rent, you know what you should have?
You should have a gratitude acknowledgement.
Praise God I live in America.
I'm glad.
A gratitude acknowledgement would be nice.
But what is your question?
Okay.
So my question is, how can we protect American-born Mexican people?
Hold on.
First off, time out.
You said Kilmar Garcia.
He's not American-born.
I'm sorry, but this is going to connect to it.
It's going to connect to it.
I promise you.
Okay.
So, now that the body cam footage has been released and everything.
One, they were purely basing the idea that he was part of MS-13 on the idea that they had that he was...
So they're purely basing that on the fact that he had tattoos and the fact that he had eight men in his car that were going to a construction site.
Do you think personally that toothbrushes and toothpaste is purely the only thing that we can go on to gratify the idea that somebody is a human trafficker?
Hold on a second.
I got a lot of questions here.
So let me just say as a side note.
The left's fixation on a wife-beating, child-abusing MS-13 foreigner as if that's the big fight that they want to have is so morally disgusting with so much suffering having.
But no, that's number one.
That's a side note.
But I want you to explain this to me.
What are these tattoos exactly?
Uh-huh.
Is that not an MS-13 gang tattoo?
I've never seen anybody affiliated with MS-13, but I think that it could be a multitude of things.
So what is that?
That's marijuana M, smiley face S, cross one, skull three.
Okay.
That's MS-13.
Number two, what was Kilmar Garcia?
Let's go to the facts because you brought up the facts.
Number two, what jersey did Kilmar Garcia wear on a routine basis and what was the significance of it in the Maryland jurisdiction of gang territory?
He wore a Michael Jordan Bulls jersey.
What gang wears Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls jerseys in the Maryland proper area?
Okay, now to flip that on to you.
MS-13, got it.
So in the charging document, the fact that I'm wearing a jersey.
You talk uninterrupted.
Time out.
No, no.
Time out.
Yes, you happen to live in L.A. living in Dodgers.
Time out.
Time out.
White fence and the Crips of this area wear Dodgers jerseys.
So do you think that I would be affiliated with white fence in L.A. coming here?
No, no, no, you can't.
It's accumulation of facts.
Let me finish.
You can't bring that up.
I absolutely can.
jerseys and multiple hats.
Allow me to finish.
Look at these people.
Allow me to finish.
That are wearing MAGA hats right now.
Allow me to finish.
Could I say that they're part of a big game?
Can I finish?
You have the hand tattoos.
You have the fact that he told the judge in 2019, I'm afraid to go back to El Salvador because another gang will come after me.
Allow me to finish without interrupting.
Allow me to finish without interrupting.
Number three, he wore the Chicago Bulls, which is a gang affiliation, in the Maryland area.
Now, if you're in L.A. wearing a Dodgers jersey, that's one piece of evidence.
If you're wearing Bulls gear day after day in the Maryland area, and you have MS-13 affiliated things, and you're telling a judge that you're part of a gang, and your wife has filed declaratory distress relief because you're a wife beater, and then finally the fact he's not an American, he broke into this country, and he does not afford the same rights that Americans are.
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but to sort of put that on you, right?
He had a green card.
No, he did not.
That is not correct.
Wrong.
Wrong.
That's not true.
Was he married?
Was he married to an American citizen?
That does not matter.
Time out.
You got your facts so wrong.
The judge said, Sir, Mr. Garcia, you will be deported at any time for any reason back to any country.
The only country I'm not allowing you to go be deported to was El Salvador.
And why was he deported to El Salvador?
That's the only mistake.
Why was he deported to El Salvador?
Because he was caught up.
Time out.
It's not that he was deported that it was wrong.
It's not that he wasn't part of MS-13.
Well, the fact that he was deported was wrong because he didn't have any due process, actually.
The most due process of any illegal in the history of the country.
That's actually incorrect.
He's going through it right now while he's in El Salvador.
He's going through it right now while he's in El Salvador.
In 2019, in 2020, he had due process.
The judge literally signed an order saying, at any time ICE can come and get you, this is your final warning, Mr. Garcia.
They might come and scoop you up.
By the way, I just find it so interesting.
You do know the fact he beat his wife, right?
Okay, you do know the fact that Donald Trump has raped multiple women and his wife.
Okay, yeah.
He's a rapist.
He raped his wife and multiple women.
Oh, he raped his wife, really.
And he's on record.
Which wife did he rape, exactly?
Ivana.
Oh, he raped Ivana.
I do believe so, yes.
Oh, and what's your evidence for such a claim?
Because I have evidence of court documents that Kilmar Garcia beat his wife.
Want me to read it?
In 2021, Abrego Garcia's wife, Jennifer Vasquez-Zura, filed a protective order against him, alleging instances of physical abuse, including being punched repeatedly and scratched.
She then filed a second order trying to protect the children from him abusing them on a nearly weekly basis.
In 2019, Abrego Garcia was arrested in Maryland alongside of individuals.
Authorities claimed repeatedly that were experts saying that the traits of his behavior, his iconography, and his tattoos were MS-13, such as specific clothing and tattoos, citing information from a confidential informant alleging from his gang membership.
The judge agreed and signed his deportation order.
What is the issue here exactly?
Has he specifically stated that his tattoos were an affiliation of MS-13, or is that a narrative being controlled by the Trump administration?
Well, let me bring this up.
Trump did believe that he physically had MS-13 in the interview that he literally just aired a few days ago, where he said that he didn't believe that it was photoshopped MS-13.
Because weed, smiley face, and how are the skull and crossbones and the cross going to be thought of as 1-3?
Well, that's an interesting question.
If it wasn't MS-13.
Stay high, smile till I die.
say hi, smile till I die.
If it wasn't MS-13...
If there's nothing to hide, why wouldn't she show it for the world?
I mean, yeah, you're actually, that was a good point.
Thank you.
Now, let me just bring that up into like a, let me, I want to.
There's nothing to hide.
She'd say, hey, here's the tattoos that she's blurring them out in all the images.
That's kind of weird, isn't it?
Nothing to hide, let it ride.
Yeah, yeah.
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Now, I kind of want to just transition then to the entirety of immigration.
Last point, then we've got to get to more work.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay.
So, obviously, Trump has floated around the idea of, quote-unquote, deporting homegrowns for, you know, the, quote, most horrible and violent offenders or whatever.
So, how can we, as Americans, stop Americans from being persecuted by those, especially ones that aren't of white color?
especially ones that are not of white color, because ICE has repeatedly, repeatedly been on...
Like ICE has repeatedly persecuted Mexican-Americans and or just Latino-Americans for having tattoos and dark skin.
How can we prevent people from being...
What is your evidence for this?
Multiple articles and multiple news broadcasts that have let us know that ICE is racially profiling people.
My father is obviously not white-skinned and has multiple tattoos.
How can I make sure that he is not taken...
Is he a legal citizen?
Yeah, I mean, yeah, of course.
Okay, then he's got nothing to worry about.
But I just brought up the fact of the idealization of homegrown.
He's got nothing to worry about then.
This is all targeted at illegals that have broken into our country.
These are people that have broke into the United States of America.
And what makes them inherently bad?
Because there's multiple people that overstays their visas.
Because they've cut in line.
So you wait in line this entire time to ask a question, nice and patiently.
Is it right for someone just to cut in line after you've waited?
Other legal immigrants that have waited to come into the United States.
That doesn't really work because we were moved in a specific order.
The same thing happens here, where we're moved into a specific order.
Other people are prioritized.
Are you allowed to cut in line to come into a country?
I will admit that.
They came in illegally, but my family did the right process.
they overstayed their visa, they came on a trip but they did the right process why is it that we are simply only persecuting those that are coming in illegally and want to just live a normal Everybody's bringing up murderers, everybody's bringing up rapists.
There's a lot wrong here.
But what's wrong with that is when rape is committed by men, 51% of all rape is committed by white men.
White men.
Okay, yes.
And guess what?
So why are we pinpointing a Mexican from the crowd and saying, oh, he's a rapist?
Again, what should the penalty be if someone breaks into America?
I'm sorry?
What should the penalty be when someone breaks into the United States of America?
Personally, I think we should help them get processed into the country.
Help them home.
That's the only thing.
We should send them back to Nicaragua, Guatemala, Mexico.
The country should become home.
Oh, so hold on.
I want to understand.
Do you invite random people into your home and be like, hey, you could just squat on my floor and eat my food?
Hey guys, so that's how you make friends, actually.
So when you go to a random person and say, hey, come over to my house, what happens?
So you will just go to a random homeless guy shooting up under a bridge and be like, you're allowed into my home.
You're my friend, Jerry.
Why are we comparing a homeless man to somebody in need of life?
And I think it is ironic of you to bring up especially Guatemala right now with the thing that just happened in Tucson, Arizona.
A Guatemalan woman was detained after giving birth.
That child is now an American citizen.
Why should the mother be sent back and not...
Yes, they could both be sent back to Guatemala together.
That's not true because the child was born here.
under well i don't know if it is a little bit of a model and under under That's highly debated.
I'm not going to get into that.
But anyway.
Why not?
Why not?
Because we've already been going for quite a while.
It is now an American citizen.
It is now an American citizen and should be a product.
Birthright citizenship, I believe, is not constitutional, and I hope that they'll overturn it.
Birthright citizenship is not constitutional.
I believe it's not.
Again, going back to what we originally spoke about, the people that came over here were then given birthright citizenship, so that means that everybody here should not have birthright citizenship.
It just does not make sense.
In your opinion, the way that you just stated, that just doesn't make sense.
That just does not make sense.
Again, you're talking very fast and not making a lot of sense, so let's try to slow it down, okay?
The final moral question.
Okay.
If I went into Mexico without proper documents or invitation, what happens to me?
People do it all the time.
What happens to me?
People do it all the time.
What happens to me?
Are you saying if you get caught, are you saying...
I guess deport you.
We should do the same.
Thank you so much.
They do the same because Mexicans do it.
Thank you.
They do the same because Americans do it.
Hi, Mr. Kirk.
I'm a student here, and I really appreciate you being here today to speak with us.
I care a lot about protecting children and know that you value life as well.
I understand that mental health and drug issues are a big part of the violence that we see every day in America.
And I know that there's no black and white solution, but...
Sure, fine.
So first of all, it is very difficult to purchase an AK-47.
You're probably talking about an AR-15.
That's probably what you're talking about, which is not an AK-47.
We do have those background checks in a lot of states.
I do have to ask, do you feel safe in California?
Walking the streets at night in Los Angeles as a woman?
It depends which area.
How about right near the downtown convention center?
Not necessarily, no.
So, remember, our goal is a safe society, so just stricter gun laws does not always equal a safer society.
That's just number one.
Yeah, that's what I said.
That's why I said that.
I know that mental health is a big issue.
But I just, for instance, me, I have a 10-year-old little sister.
And every day, me and my parents stress about sending her to school for what could happen to her.
That's a real question.
Let me ask you.
Does that school have an armed guard?
I'm not entirely sure.
That's why you're stressing.
That's a fair point.
Why do we protect our banks, our airports, and our sports stadiums with people with guns but not our schools?
I think that that's a fair point.
And I'm not discounting the background check thing, but it's incredible moral perversion.
You can't get into Dodger Stadium without seeing 50 cop cars and people with guns everywhere.
You can't go to LAX without going through basically a demilitarized zone.
But you could go into a local Long Beach elementary school and we decide to not protect our kids.
So we protect our airplanes and our sports teams, but we don't protect our own children.
And so you care about protecting children.
I think that we should basically lock down these schools.
People say, oh, I don't want our schools to be militarized.
Well, then you don't want to protect our kids.
You want your money to be protected at your bank.
You want the payday lender to be protected.
But you don't want your own children to be protected.
So that's my number one solution to all that.
And then I would end on to it.
Listen, a lot of mental health problems.
I have a different view.
I think gun ownership is a right, not a privilege.
And I don't think the government should get in the way of our right to be able to own firearms.
So what do you think that the government should get involved in adding armed guards to schools?
Or why isn't this more talked about?
In other states it is.
Gavin Newsom would refuse to do this, of course.
But in other states, after big school shootings, they have police officers parked outside.
And in fact, school resource officers with guns have shown to prevent school shootings, limit school shootings, or even intervene before the school shooting happens.
And it's going to show that these awful tragedies go from maybe one or two students dying, which is horrific, which it could have been 30 or 40 students dying.
Right.
And so, again, at the fundamental core of it, which is your.
Almost every single case of these school shootings, there are some exceptions.
They get the guns from their parents because they didn't lock them up properly, and I think they should be criminally charged.
If your guns are used by somebody else, that is, you are the custodian of that firearm, and you should have to have, especially if a minor gets it.
And then number two, it's also these kids that are in a very, very dark and troubled place.
And almost always, there's warning.
There's troubling signs.
There are issues ahead of time that are ignored.
Thank you so much.
God bless you.
Thank you.
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My question to you is, why are you so Hypocritical in the way that you look at Trump and Biden.
As far as the economy goes, every time he announces a tariff, economy tanks.
We saw that twice in March, and then in the most recent one, where he announced the largest or the most...
Do you mean the stock market or the economy?
everything in general Yeah, but that's because he took away the tariffs.
He took it away because all of his billionaire buddies, more or less...
Elon Musk isn't really on TV anymore because he's lost trillions in Tesla.
He was just in the cabinet meeting last week wearing multiple hats.
Did you see that?
He said, I wear many hats.
No, I don't watch the.
You know what he's on TV.
You said he's not on TV anymore.
You say you don't watch TV.
Well, I don't.
I just see him everywhere.
I used to see him everywhere.
And then as soon as the tariffs went into effect, he lost trillions in Tesla stock.
He stopped showing up.
Who is it?
Pete Hegseth is a moron.
Hold on.
Let's pause with that.
Is military recruitment up?
Not sure.
Yes, it is.
Is military morale up?
Not sure.
Are military war games up?
Not sure.
Yes.
Is military procurement going in the right direction?
Wait, so hold on a second.
You call Pete Hegseth a moron, yet more people want to join our military and they're happier fighting in our military with Pete Hegseth as head of Secretary of Defense.
So that's really weird.
Why is he a moron exactly?
You know he served in the U.S. military alongside?
And I appreciate his service.
Is that how you talk to veterans?
You call them morons?
No, I don't.
And don't say that I do.
Why is he a moron exactly?
Well, because of the two signal challenges.
to there.
It doesn't matter.
Why is he having a Done by the Biden administration, actually.
Do you use Signal?
Do you use WhatsApp?
Do you use Telegram?
No, I don't.
Oh, you don't, really?
You don't use any messaging apps?
I just use iMessage.
Okay, that's a messaging app.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
It's also a secure one as well.
But what is the contention here?
You said the hypocrisy.
So let me now try to get your...
Neither.
Joe Biden, that's my biggest gripe.
Did you have full faith in Joe Biden's ability to complete sentences?
To a certain extent, I did.
And then I didn't.
After I realized maybe he is too old to be in office, just like Donald Trump, which he will be the oldest president in office.
Age has nothing to do with it.
brain acuity.
Now it doesn't.
It doesn't now, but when We criticized his lack of knowing where he is.
And his dementia.
Then that's my point.
You talk about Biden when he was dementiated, like you said.
Yes, and okay.
Joe Biden wouldn't talk to the press for weeks on end.
But you say the hypocrisy.
I'm very interested.
What do you mean by that?
Because actually, Joe Biden told us the southern border was an impossible problem to solve.
He needed Congress to solve.
The southern border is so secure right now.
We have a 99.99% reduction in all border crossings.
That's just a fear factor.
It's a fact, actually.
Well, because when Trump is saying that he's going to deport every single immigrant, it makes immigrants not want to come in.
Good for Trump!
And by the way, don't call them immigrants.
They're line cutters and border jumpers.
Immigrants are people that wait in line and fill out the forms and come here correctly.
Don't conflate the two.
Don't conflate the two.
When you border jump, you're not an immigrant.
You're something completely different.
A criminal?
Is that what you're gonna say?
You're not an equivalent.
An equivalent of what?
A human?
One is a criminal.
One is a rule follower.
One is a lawbreaker.
One is someone who waits in line.
So should they not have due process?
Well, it depends.
You know that there's three ways that people don't have due process in this country?
How?
Because actually, according to the Supreme Court in 2019, if you come across the southern border within 14 days or 100 miles to the southern border, you can be deported immediately without due process because you're not an American citizen.
The Supreme Court ruled that.
According to the Alien Enemies Act, which President Trump invoked with Kilmar Garcia, there's no due process that is necessary.
So, as I have said, you do not need due process for that if you are an illegal alien invader in the interior of this country under those circumstances.
Let me take it back real quick.
Let me take it back.
You say that Biden had an atrocious economy.
Correct.
Trump's been president for like 104 days.
Yeah.
And with the tariffs, it's...
Eggs are down.
Actually, let me look at this.
Can you look at this chart for me?
You see inflation drops to 2.4% in March, lower than expected.
Thank you, President Trump.
You see what's going up right here?
This was Joe Biden.
You see that?
Joe Biden.
Trump.
Joe Biden.
Do you see him at the bottom?
Joe Biden.
Trump.
Do you see that?
Joe Biden.
Trump.
And Trump is all the way on the way down.
Joe Biden.
Trump.
Can you do it with me?
Joe Biden, Trump.
Joe Biden, Trump.
I'll sign this for you.
Do you want it?
Actually, yeah.
Can you?
My buddy, he also doesn't have a brain.
Doesn't have a brain?
Okay.
It's okay.
He's still my friend, though.
So I just want you...
There you go.
Inflation is down, everybody.
Alright.
I just want you, if at the end of Trump's presidency and he overall it's a failure, will you admit that it was a failure?
The tariffs are a failure.
You can admit that.
Hold on a second.
First of all, what you consider to be a failure, I consider roaring success.
I think border secure is very good.
I'm not talking about border.
I'm talking about tariffs.
I think manufacturing jobs coming up is very good.
Like, yes, if some things don't go well, I will be honest about it.
But even right now, we're not agreeing on success or failure.
You're saying Trump is failing, and yet inflation is going down.
We're bringing jobs back to the country.
We had a better jobs report than anybody expected last week.
The stock market has fully recovered.
We're about to get no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, no tax on Social Security.
So all of those things will work, and you're going to see.
The opening of the American economy, unlike anything ever before, I believe we'll see the end of the Russian-Ukrainian war.
I believe we're finally going to see no men in female sports, no chemical castration of kids, and he's already delivered on all those promises.
Well, I just hope, I hope.
So let me ask you, you were a big Biden supporter, right?
Not really.
I mean, he was just the, well, actually, when Kamala was on the ticket, I'd rather vote for her than Trump, so I voted for her.
Fine, fine, hold on.
But, I mean, you're bashing on Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump.
What was Joe Biden and Kamala Harris' biggest accomplishment?
What was the one that really got you excited?
The Chips and Science Act.
Oh, the Chips and Science Act.
Okay.
Anything else?
And nobody even knows what the Chips and Science Act is.
No, I know what it is.
I know, but I'm not talking about them.
Obviously, you know this is your job.
But all I'm saying is when Biden left office, the inflation rate was at 2.3%, 2.4%, right?
Yeah, 2.4%, as you showed me, at the very end of his presidency.
And when Trump announced his tariffs, both times it rose inflation to a staggering rate.
Eventually, on the last round of tariffs, before the most recent one, when he...
We've got to get to the next question.
Final thing is this.
Are you cheering for Trump's success?
I'm cheering for America's success and I'm not seeing it.
Good.
We can agree on that.
We both want to see America succeed.
Thank you, men.
God bless you.
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How are we doing, Charlie?
Welcome to Long Beach.
First thing I want to say.
So, my disagreement here would be the defunding of Harvard.
I want to know your legal justification for defunding Harvard.
First of all, is that a Harris Walls hat?
It is, it is, yes.
How about this?
If you beat me, I'll change it.
No, it's fine.
No, it's funny.
It's kind of like seeing all the losers of the Super Bowl hats that get sent to those African villages.
I know, yeah, no, it is.
It's like all those Buffalo Bills Super Bowl champion hats that just disappear.
Why is any college entitled to federal money?
Okay, so that's a good question.
So first of all, The majority of the money that goes to Harvard is medical research.
And so they are a huge portion of research, Harvard especially.
But then first, I want to get into the legal justification of it.
So I think it's dumb, but I want to more focus on the legal justification of it.
Well, no college has to get money from the government.
No, 100%.
Of course.
But you have a reasoning for defunding Harvard.
Several.
Correct.
Yes, correct.
But let's first get our facts right.
What is the endowment of Harvard?
Okay, so the endowment, you want to clarify that?
What are you talking about here?
Do you know what an endowment is?
I don't know what an endowment is.
What is the endowment of Harvard?
Yeah.
Okay, so an endowment is like a, think of it as a savings account.
Got it, yep.
So Harvard has the largest savings account of any college.
Of course, yes.
How much money do you think that is in their savings account?
A substantial number.
What do you, guess?
A couple trillion dollars.
It's not that big, but it's $55.000.
They're not a country, but it's 55 billion dollars.
100%, yeah.
Okay, so therefore, if a college has $55 billion, why do they need more money from taxpayers?
I think they need more money from taxpayers because they are making several improvements, especially in the medical field, and they are...
Well, why can't they use their $55 billion in the bank account that they refuse to touch?
Okay, so how about this?
Then why do they have to give their information?
So let's talk about their research and their data.
I think the first thing that we should agree is that there is no bad data.
Every data that we have is an increase in knowledge, and we can't have bad data.
So it would seriously hurt the government if they give all of their data and all of their information to the public prior, especially on research and cancer and all this kind of stuff.
Do you agree that the government wants, and this is what happens right now, they want to receive that data before the rest of the public?
It is super important that the government receives that data prior to the public.
Not necessarily.
I think actually open source data is a great way to go.
I mean, if we're financing it, why shouldn't the whole world know about it?
Well, the whole world does know about it, but the government needs to know about it first because that's a very crucial thing.
But again, I want to stick to the point here.
So your big reason...
They're sitting on a $55 billion cash pile.
They are, correct, correct.
And they get $2 billion a year.
Maybe they should just tap some of the $55 billion they have to fund all of their programs.
And they do.
They don't completely use federal funding.
They don't only use federal funding.
They actually have not dipped into their endowment.
It actually grows every single year.
But anyway, back to the legal justification.
Harvard is in blatant violation of federal law.
Okay, but federal law.
So I'm assuming you're referring to the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
Well, yeah, because it's the student for fair admissions Supreme Court case, which I'm sure you're following.
They are in direct violation of accommodating black and Hispanic students at the expense of white and Asian students, and they continue to push forward affirmative action, acceptance, and hiring practices, which is in defiance of the Supreme Court, breaking federal law.
And when you break federal law, you should not get federal money.
Pretty simple.
Okay, but the Trump administration has said that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and anti-Semitic practices have been the reason for the defunding of Harvard.
So that's a thing.
They're in violation.
Amongst many things, the strongest of all of the president's claims is the violation of the 14th Amendment and the Supreme Court decision a couple years ago, the students for fair admissions.
Harvard is in violation of that.
They've acknowledged they're in violation of it.
They brag about it.
So when you're in violation of the Supreme Court, your federal money will be not sent to you anymore.
Let me ask you this.
The Trump administration, in 2019, they passed the executive decision to add religion.
It has nothing to do with – we're talking past each other, right?
No, it absolutely does.
The core complaint is the violation of the – Yes, the DEI as an admission.
So you asked, what is the legal justification?
Very simple.
When you defy the Supreme Court, you no longer get money.
But at the same time, the Trump administration, by passing this executive order to count religion into the Title VI of the Civil Rights Act, that is going against the Constitution.
The first thing I want to get to is can you agree that in 1964 they purposely, they intentionally did not include religion into Title VI, which is education.
That's education as a whole, into the Civil Rights Act.
Yes, correct.
Yes, okay, so perfect.
So then how is, how are, why, why do you think that we are currently interpreting the addition?
Probably the White House's weakest claim.
They made about 10 claims against Harvard.
The strongest claim, of which I will continue to rest on, is they're violating federal law.
They're violating the Supreme Court.
The shakiest of all their complaints is the one when it comes to anti-Semitism.
By the way, they have a lot of anti-Semitism, but unfortunately in this country you're allowed to be a bigot and an anti-Semitism.
Yeah, no, agreed.
But the most, the crispest...
Okay, yes, but we're talking about the pro-Palestinian protest.
No, no, I got it, but you're talking about a 10-part charging document.
Again, I think the audience agrees.
You're not really listening to what I'm saying, right?
