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May 20, 2025 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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How the Big Beautiful Bill Affects Our Big Beautiful Border
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Hey everybody, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show from the Bitcoin Mobile Studio.
Andrew Colvett in for the one and only Charlie Kirk who's traveling in the United Kingdom.
We talk about the one big, beautiful bill, what's in it, what's good, what's bad, what needs to be corrected, and how can we get to the finish line.
Also, we have Bordersar, Tom Homan, who says why he loves the bill, why he needs the bill.
More internal enforcement, more border security, more tech.
That part is key.
If President Trump was elected for any reason, it was because of immigration.
He was elected for a lot of reasons, but that issue is key.
And we have Borders Art, Tom Homan himself, coming on to explain why he needs this bill to get his job done.
Let's dive into it.
Buckle up.
Here we go.
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All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
Andrew Colvitt in for the one and only Charlie Kirk, who is traveling the globe.
He's in the United Kingdom today.
Lots of fun stuff.
He just debated at Cambridge yesterday.
It was legitimately about 400 students to one.
Very raucous crowd.
I'm excited to hear his feedback on that.
Today he's going to be at Oxford.
So say a prayer that the truth would get out and that conservative values would continue spreading across the globe.
The revival that we see in the United States would happen abroad.
But I do not want to waste any time.
We have a very special guest, Borders Art Tom Homan, joining the show.
Mr. Borders, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
Hey, thanks for having me.
So, I want to jump right in.
This one big, beautiful bill, one of the main priorities is securing the border, but mass deportations as well.
Tell us what's in the bill that you love, that you're excited about, that your border agents need, that border security needs.
Well, look, it's going to add more border agents, Border Patrol agents to the border, along with the OFO, which are the people who work the port of entries.
It's going to add more technology.
I mean, not only finish the wall, you know, several hundred miles of the wall, but it's going to also run several hundred miles of...
Water buoys.
Buoys placed in the river that are actually very, very effective.
And it's going to save lives because once a lot of illegal aliens see that buoy that you can't get over, you can't get under, they won't risk getting in the river and drowning.
It's going to save a lot of lives.
But the technology, even the existing wall, the new wall that President Trump built under 45, Joe Biden came in and not only ended building more wall, but ended the technology that went into the existing wall.
That allows agents to have, you know, if you touch the wall, we know.
If you dig under the wall, we know.
If you climb the wall, we know.
Because there's all sorts of technology in that wall.
But most importantly, within that technology, you give Border Patrol agents ability to talk to one another in dead areas.
There's a lot of areas on the border where...
There is no radio tower.
There is no capability of a repeater system.
So if an agent's got to have an emergency, talk to another agent for backup, there are some dead areas on the border.
That's going to improve communications all across the border.
So they're going to fund that in the border so we can finish what we started.
The border's more secure in their lifetime.
We've got to finish the job.
This could be the first administration ever to have total operational control.
We need to finish it.
We need money to do that.
As far as interior operations, it funds more ICE agents.
It's going to fund more detention beds, which we really seriously need.
Right now, we've got about $50,000 in detention.
We need 100,000 beds to even put a dent in what we're trying to do here.
So it's going to let us find beds, because every person we arrest, we've got to bed them before we get travel documents and send them home.
So it's going to buy us more beds.
It's going to buy us more vehicles.
Increase ICE by 10,000, which we need.
Right now, there's 6,000 ERO officers compared to 20 million illegal aliens.
So we got a big hill to climb, so it's going to add more agents.
It's going to add more money for more beds.
It's going to add money for more transport, both over-the-ground bus transport in the interior, plus international flights.
It's going to add money to that.
It's also going to allow us to build out more contract work.
So rather than a badge and gun with Title 8 authority, immigration authority, sitting doing an administrative job, let's get a contractor to do that job and put that badge and gun on the street.
So allow us for all these things so we can continue doing what we're doing, increase the interior enforcement risks as the American people have mandated President Trump to do.
It's going to let us finish the job we started.
We're doing great, but we need more money.
The more money we have, the more good stuff we can do.
Yeah, and Mr. Homan, you have come on this show before and you asked for about $150 to $175 billion.
I've heard you use both numbers in passing.
So this, it allocates $150 billion via defense spending, but then another $70 billion for border security funding.
Is it enough?
I'd like to see more, but right now we're hurting for every dollar.
That we can get.
Right now, this morning I woke up and looked at empty beds.
We've got about 2,800 empty beds right now.
We'll fill them in three days.
So we need money quickly to buy more beds or everything stops.
I'll take whatever we can get, because every dollar we got means we can do more work.
I'd like to see, like you said earlier, $150 billion just on border and interior enforcement.
But we'll see when the final number comes out.
But we desperately need the money right now.
I think ICE is in the hole.
You know, half a billion dollars.
I think they're in the hole almost 500 million dollars because we got over 52,000 in detention.
We're funded at 34. So we're already in the hole.
So a lot of this money is going to be, you know, getting ice out of the hole plus adding beds to get above the line.
So we desperately need money.
So I hope the final number is bigger than that, but I'll take what we can get.
Mr. Homan, you've come on this show before in the past as well, and you've said, hey, listen, we're doing the first worst.
The worst are getting out first, but we've got to do more.
And I believe I've heard numbers around 100,000, 150,000 that have been deported so far.
I've seen that you've been frustrated that you couldn't get that higher faster, but again, this resource crunch that you're experiencing at ICE and DHS, will this deliver?
Let's say half a million to a million deportations a year.
Is that a number that's realistic if this budget gets passed?
Well, half a million is absolutely realistic.
We're shooting for a million, but a half a million is realistic.
And look, the sanctuary cities, they put...
Speed bumps in on us.
Yes.
Because, you know, red in the wrestling, bad guy in the county jail.
Now we've got to go to the community and find him.
Somebody that doesn't want to be found.
That slows us down.
We've got district court judges issuing nationwide injunctions against our enforcement officers.
That slows us down.
But again, it's all about manpower.
It's all about more money for manpower, more marketable targeting.
Look, there's a lot of smart companies out there, a lot of smart businesses out there with the most recent technology to help us find those people that don't want to be found.
So bring some of these contracts up, help improve targeting.
But the most important thing is resources, beds, planes, buses, and boots on the ground.
And this bill will get us there.
It'll get us the resources we need.
I'm looking to do three times more than we're currently doing.
So the numbers are harder than the Biden's numbers.
I should be happy with that, but I'm not.
I'm not satisfied.
We love that about you, Tom.
We love that about you, that you are never going to be satisfied until every person who broke the law to get into this country is held accountable, put to the back of the line, gone through the legal process.
Now, I want to bring this up.
I've debated whether or not to, because I think it's ridiculous, but this Rep.
LaMonica McIver.
She was just charged yesterday.
Alina Habba, acting U.S. attorney in the Newark area, charged her.
President Trump says, give me a break.
Did you see her?
She was out of control.
What's your message to representatives like LaMonica, McIver, that are actively assaulting ICE agents and the people that work under you?
The same message I've used since January 20th with sanctuary jurisdictions and politicians.
I've been saying a thousand times, you cannot support ICE.
Shame on you.
You can support sanctuary cities.
Shame on you.
Sanctuary cities, you can step back and watch us do your job, make your community safer, and not assist us with criminals, public safety threats in your community.
But don't cross that line.
I've used the term don't cross that line since January 20th.
If you cross that line of impeding our enforcement efforts, that's a felony.
If you cross that line unknowingly and harboring or concealing an illegal animal from mice, that's a felony.
You can't criminal trespass in our facilities.
And you certainly, certainly can't put hands on an ICE officer.
And that's what she did.
So she's being held accountable.
Remember, we got two judges being prosecuted.
We got a mayor that's arrested.
We got a congresswoman.
And look, They're not above the law either.
They've been preaching four years.
Trump wasn't above the law.
Well, either are they.
I wasn't bluffing.
We're going to hold people accountable.
You break the law, we're going to seek prosecution.
I think I join with millions of Americans around the country and say, Mr. Bordazar, you are a breath of fresh air.
You're a national treasure.
We have your back 100 percent.
Thank you for coming on the show.
We hope that this bill gets passed.
If there's anything that needs to get fixed, we want to see them fixed.
But we hope this bill gets passed and you get the resources you need to protect this country.
We're honored that you're serving the way you are.
Thank you.
Thank you for having me.
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Charlie Kirk is on assignment in the United Kingdom.
We're excited to hear updates as they come.
I'm your guest host, Andrew Colvett.
Honored to be with you.
As always, when I get the opportunity.
So today, the big news, and we said Tom Homan on, a great American, absolute patriot.
But the big news today is that President Trump visited Capitol Hill to go whip votes for his one big, beautiful bill.
Now, if I could lay out the landscape for you, it's essentially this.
You've got the SALT holdouts.
Now, this is despite the fact that they've increased SALT deductions from about $12,000 to $30,000.
New York congressmen like Rep Lawler are saying that's not going to be good enough.
LaLoda, the same.
I think they're out way over their skis on this.
If somebody who lives in California would personally benefit from something like this, they're way out over their skis.
And I'll tell you why.
Because this is going to get to the U.S. Senate, and there are approximately this many senators that care about these SALT deductions.
It's different than the House.
In the House, you can have conservatives that are elected in...
Districts that are conservative in a blue state.
That's not the case with the United States Senate.
Those are statewide races, and if you are a conservative, you're not going to win those races, right?
So that's why it's going to go and die in the U.S. Senate.
And so the SALT folks need to take a win.
They need to take a middle ground and get to a point.
Now, Speaker Johnson offered a $40,000 for four years deduction.
And then it would revert back.
They say that's not good enough.
They're asking for 50 over 10 years, guaranteed, or something approximately at that point.
When we're dealing with a bill where the math does not work out, where the ends do not meet, and we're looking at a deficit increase, not a reduction, that dog ain't going to hunt.
So I want to just echo President Trump and say that the SALT deductions, it's helping blue state governors.
Now, we want to help all states, but we don't want to...
We want to encourage blue states that are taxing at a huge high rate, and then they get rewarded for it, and the federal government bails them out.
We want to encourage good behavior.
We want to incentivize good behavior.
The other issue is Medicaid and Medicare.
The Democrats are going out there, and they are saying that the Republicans are going to cut Medicare.
They're going to cut Medicaid.
That's not true.
There's a lot of waste, fraud, and abuse.
There's illegal aliens.
There's murderers, known murderers, that are taking Medicaid.
Now, Medicaid is designed to help those.
It's mean-tested.
So that means it's designed to help those that need it, right?
The poor, working class, pregnant mothers.
And there's a lot of waste, fraud, and abuse.
Waste, fraud, and abuse.
So let's hear it in President Trump's own words so we can get this out of the way.
The only thing we're cutting is waste, fraud, and abuse.
We're not changing Medicaid and we're not changing Medicare and we're not changing Social Security.
He says it very clearly.
We're not changing.
We're just getting rid of waste, fraud, and abuse.
That's a really big thing to get rid of.
And by the way, there is so much waste, fraud, and abuse in Medicaid that I don't think The average American can fully appreciate.
And the Democrats are hopping up and down, screaming, crying.
That is misplaced outrage.
That's a lie.
That's fear-mongering.
That's not what's happening here.
Let's get to another person that you may not expect to hear from in the Medicaid debate, and that's RFK Jr.
Now, obviously, as Secretary of Health and Human Services...
He knows a thing or two about what's going on in the health space.
So do you disagree with the cuts that are being proposed for Medicaid right now?
Oh, the cuts to...
You know, this is a...
I don't know if you understand this or whether you're just mouthing, you know, the Democratic talking boys.
The cuts to Medicaid are for fraud, waste, and abuse.
And I'll tell you what that means.
We were able to determine, and it's about 8 million people who would be affected.
Because of Doge, we were able to determine that there are a million people who are claiming Medicaid from multiple states.
That's illegal.
A million people claiming Medicaid from multiple states.
Obviously, that's illegal.
I just want to be very clear.
I'm sympathetic to the budget hawks.
We want to see the budget balanced.
We want to see the spending go down to pre-COVID levels.
This bill does not do that, and we have to be very clear about that.
The question then becomes, does the bill deserve to pass at all?
I believe yes it does.
I believe there's a few cuts, there's a few tweaks that need to happen.
President Trump is saying this morning that he wants to see this bill go over to the Senate.
He likes what they are proposing even more than what the House has.
He says they have a few things that he likes even better.
Now, they don't have a bill written, but President Trump is behind the scenes.
He's working on some of these negotiations.
He sees some of the stuff, and he likes it better.
So this bill is going to be tweaked between now and then.
In the next segment, I want to get in to some of the comments Rep.
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So this one big, beautiful bill.
Let's give it some due.
I do have some notes.
I have some notes.
That's okay.
We support the president's agenda.
We think this is going to get passed.
It has to get passed.
You heard from Tom Homan.
He needs every dollar he can get to get these mass deportations up, which I believe is the one main reason.
Trump was elected for a lot of reasons.
It was a large coalition with a lot of priorities.
The border was number one.
We've got to get this passed even if it's just for the border.
By the way, we tax remittances.
That's when...
Foreigners, often illegals, send money back to their home country, the place where they should go be living right now.
We tax that.
It's good.
It's an incentive to say, hey, you're not going to get away for free here.
We're either going to deport you or we're going to tax you.
No free rides, folks.
But let's give the bill its due.
All right, this is Mike Johnson talking about some of the good things in the bill.
We're repealing and rolling back over $500 billion in funding for the radical Green New Deal policies from Biden's so-called inflation administration.
Reduction Act?
We call it the Inflation Act.
We're ending Biden's war on American energy.
We're banning Medicaid dollars from going to transgender surgeries for minors.
We're canceling Biden's student loan repayment program.
We're increasing university endowment tax for these big, woke institutions.
We're revoking tax against status for non-profits that materially support terrorism.
We're doubling the jail time for leaks of confidential taxpayer information.
We're eliminating big businesses' ability to engage in woke PR campaigns to facilitate refundability for green energy projects.
We're incentivizing federal workforce to be at-will employees, and we're repealing Biden's disastrous EV mandate.
So let's give it its due.
This bill is beautiful.
There is a lot of big beautifulness in this bill.
We like this bill.
Directionally, this bill is great.
What we're talking about is fighting over the edges, but those edges can have massive implications, especially when it comes to Medicaid.
The Medicaid scam that some of these states pull is incredible.
Now, we're getting rid of these able-bodied subsidies, right?
So if somebody is able to work...
And they're not working, and we're still funding them.
This is the number one area of expansion of the federal budget, and nobody is seriously trying to fight this except for these four holdouts.
So my sympathies lie with them.
Genuinely.
And I want to hear from Rep.
Andy Harris here.
Bottom line is if we don't get significant spending reduction, this bill is not going anywhere this week.
We were warning about it in the Freedom Caucus for really years, that we have to get our debt and deficit in order.
You know, they're whistling past the graveyard.
It's like that never happened.
But it did happen.
And we have to get back to pre-COVID spending levels wherever we can.
We certainly can with Medicaid because the fraud, waste and abuse, the gaming of the system, the giving benefits to, you know, two and a half million illegal immigrants.
I mean, this is ridiculous.
It has to stop.
We have a long way to go.
We don't get there by Wednesday.
And the word is they want to have this vote Wednesday.
There's just no way it's passing on Wednesday.
He continues.
This is the graph of what the Republican plan is for Medicaid spending over the next 10 years.
This assumes that we actually get all the able-bodied, single people without children on Medicaid to agree to work 20 hours a week or volunteer at a church or train.
And if we eliminate all the fraud, waste and abuse, and there's plenty of it, we're left with at least a 25% So that was obviously from the House floor.
Now, there is a scam here where, and people, this gets wonky.
I don't want to get too into the weeds, but it's called FMAP.
It's the federal, I'll get the acronym for you in a second.
It's the federal medical assistance percentage.
So basically, it's a mean-tested program, meaning that the poorer states get more federal matching dollars than the rich states.
But what the states do, and this is one of Chip Roy's big problems, is that they charge a provider tax on it.
So if we send $10,000 to California, they'll bump it up by 5%.
And then there's little carve-outs, and then they take that money and they fund Medi-Cal.
And they give it to illegals or different things or Planned Parenthood.
That stuff needs to stop, and Chip Royd's 100% right on that.
So where we stand right now on the big, beautiful bill, Chip Royd's probably a no.
All the SALT guys, that would be Stefanik, Garbarino, Lawler, Lalota, Young Kim, Tom King Jr., Langworthy.
Those guys are all probably a no because they're going to hold fast in their coalition for these SALT exemptions.
Now, again, I think that that horse ain't going to hunt.
They've already gotten a concession, albeit a small one.
That's what you're going to get.
When it goes to the Senate, that's not going to pass.
And a no for now.
These are people that I believe will support the bill.
They're speaking in such a way that says that they are going to support the bill, but they want to hold out for some additional tweaks.
And again, Trump has said he's open to tweaks.
He wants tweaks, but he wants this to pass, and he wants to pass soon.
That's Ralph Norman.
Eli Crane, the great Eli Crane from Arizona, Rich McCormick, Eric Burleson, Mark Harris, Andrew Clyde, Tim Burchette, Keith Self, Warren Davidson, Andy Biggs, Andy Harris, Andy Ogles.
Now, these are a lot of the Freedom Caucus guy, the budget hawks.
Trump said in his presser this morning, he said, lay off my Freedom Caucus guy.
Those are my people.
So there's no beef there.
Now, Thomas Massey and Trump, that relationship is basically done.
Trump is saying he wants Thomas Massey out.
He doesn't understand government.
Thomas Massey doesn't always know there's nothing I can do to win their vote.
Okay.
Well, that's one.
We don't have much more to give than that.
All right?
And we were going to have Chip Roy on this morning.
Unfortunately, schedules, everything's going crazy, but he was scheduled to be on right now explaining some of his holdouts, some of his reservations.
But I think he's making some good points that we have to stop the expansion of this Medicaid graft and spending and abuse.
Illegals have no place on this, on Medicaid.
We need to get them all off.
I think everybody's united on that.
We have to stop this FMAP stuff where we're paying way too much to the states and we're incentivizing them to expand the amount of spending in this way.
So, all in all, there's a lot to love in this bill.
It is 95% of the way there, maybe 98% of the way there, but the devil is in the details.
These last 2% are important fixes.
I do want to see them get fixed, and hopefully we see some progress on them.
Now, this bill will now have to go to the Senate, okay?
So we don't know how this is going to happen.
We are told that we're not going to have a CBO score until...
After they vote on this bill.
So that, to me, is a little bit fishy as well.
Now, I get the urgency that we want to push this forward.
We want to push this forward.
We want to push this forward.
We want to get Trump's win.
We all agree.
We love 95%, 98% of this bill, but we got to make sure that we bring these no votes into the fold, listen to some of their pushbacks.
Now, this SALT thing, I think, is dead on arrival.
I told you that multiple times.
But what are we going to do?
Steve Scalise admitting that Medicaid is in fact going to grow.
207.
Medicaid still grows under this bill.
If somebody's able-bodied and they can go get a job and they're living in their mom's basement playing video games, I'm sorry, you got to go get a job.
This program was designed for the truly needy, the disabled people, pregnant women, seniors.
Those are the people we're going to help more by shoring the program up.
So there's no cuts.
I would like to see more cuts, but the fear-mongering from the left is just simply not true.
Even Andy Harris admits it.
This is going to grow by about 25% over the next couple of years.
And we're going to see what happens.
These are going to be high drama.
If you are a fan of Congress, which would make you in the minority, but if you enjoy the way the sausage gets made, this is high drama stuff.
You're going to be glued to your ex-feed and to your...
Television scream for the next couple of days.
But this is high drama stuff.
Again, the SALT caucus is breaking.
They have reached out to the speaker to tell him they are a no on the bill after the Trump speech at the conference.
So again, SALT caucus, that would be the Stefana, Garbarino, Lawler, Lelota, Young Kim, Tom King, Jr., Langworthy, those guys are all no.
So there's still no, they're holding out for more salt reductions.
Trump told Lawler this morning during his session with House Republicans, he said, I know your district better than you do, and if you're going to lose because you don't get salt reductions, you are going to lose anyway.
I think he's probably right on that.
But it is very possible that Trump's tough language could have driven a wedge even further, made them dig in even further here.
We're going to see how that plays out.
We don't have a bill yet.
We love most of it.
We want to see it get passed.
We want to see the president's agenda, these tax cuts.
He's 100% right.
Nobody's fighting tax cuts, by the way.
There will be a massive tax increase if this bill does not get passed.
We've got to see it get passed.
But in the meantime, a few little tweaks, a few little things here and there.
All right, folks, that's...
Probably going to be the gist of my coverage on this one big, beautiful bill.
I want to get into some stuff that I saw Pete Hegseth say about the DOD.
There's also some breaking news that we want to get to in some other areas of the news this morning in our final segment of the hour.
So if you think about it, please say a prayer for Charlie Kirk.
He is out in the UK.
He's going to have a big debate at Oxford today.
So say a prayer.
We'll be right back.
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So let's talk about Joe Biden.
So this is the piece that just drives me nuts, let me just tell you.
Jake Tapper has a new book called Original Sin.
That's an ironic title because he's talking about the cover-up of Joe Biden's mental decline.
And now, of course, Joe Biden has been diagnosed with cancer, a really aggressive form of cancer.
He's an old man.
It's not surprising.
A lot of men get prostate cancer later in life.
And Jake Tapper's making money off of this book and acting holier-than-thou, getting ahead of the narrative, as they say.
Now, it's a good, calm strategy.
But essentially, Democrats got caught.
Hiding the unhideable.
So it's so brazen.
It's so extreme that in this case, I think it's a terrible comm strategy.
Instead of trying to get ahead of it and writing a book called Original Sin and making money off of it, maybe you should have just said, sorry, Jake Tapper.
This is Jake Tapper in 2023 dressing down Lara Trump for daring to question the cognitive and mental abilities of Joe Biden.
How do you think it makes little kids with stutters feel when they see you make a comment like that?
I think what we see on stage with Joe Biden, Jake, is very clearly a cognitive decline.
That's what I'm referring to.
It makes me uncomfortable to watch the money on stage search for questions.
It's so amazing to me that...
And try and figure out an answer.
A cognitive decline.
You're trying to tell me that what I was suggesting was a stuttering...
I think that you were mocking his stutter.
Yeah, I think you were mocking his stutter, and I think you have absolutely no standing to...
He is one of the most sanctimonious, hypocritical, garbage people on television.
I have zero patience for Jake Tapper.
I actually think he is a scumbag.
Play cut 222.
This is President Trump now questioning.
openly questioning the doctors for Joe Biden.
And it takes a long time to get to that situation.
Now, I think, you know, to get to a stage nine, I think that if you take a look, it's the same doctor that said that Joe was cognitively fine.
There was nothing wrong with him.
You know, the auto pen is becoming a big deal because it seems like that maybe was the president who ever operated the auto pen.
Maybe it was the president.
Who was operating the auto pen?
Did we elect them?
No, I don't think we did.
Cut 206.
This is Dr. Zeke Emanuel on MSNBC on Morning Joe, of all places, saying that he definitely has had this cancer for a long time.
This is not speculation.
If you have prostate cancer that is spread to the bone, then he most certainly, you are saying, had it when he was president of the United States.
Oh, yeah.
He did not develop it in the last 100, 200 days.
He had it while he was president.
He probably had it at the start of his presidency in 2021.
Yes, I don't think there's any disagreement about that.
So are we supposed to believe that Joe Biden, with the best medical care on planet Earth, the best that money can buy, is provided for the president, that they missed this aggressive cancer?
That he's probably had since the beginning of his presidency?
Absolutely no way in hell is that true.
And here's what I'll also say.
I thought the auto-pen thing was kind of a distraction.
It is taking on incredibly increased meaning now.
And this is a huge story.
Watch this space.
We don't know where it's going to go.
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