"The Gospel of Truth is Going to Be Offensive." ft. Pastor Jack Hibbs
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Hey everybody, welcome back to the Jack Hibbs Podcast.
We are excited and thrilled to not only have a friend with us, but a man that needs no introduction, literally.
God has been using this guy tremendously.
I think we were talking a moment ago that ever since 2020, when we first met, we have just watched this young man's career explode, and for good reason, because I believe, without exaggeration, We have a national treasure in our midst.
And I don't want to embarrass him, but please welcome Charlie Kirk, brother.
Jack, you're a great friend.
So great to be with you.
Thank you, and thanks for all that you've done for me throughout the years.
And every week I'm watching Jack Kibbs preach the word.
Every week you're in the pulpit.
It is so encouraging for you to send me.
He will send me a text saying, Eric and I are watching.
Listen to the podcast, too.
I love it.
I love it.
I do the same.
How often?
I think I get a hold of you quite often and say, Charlie.
You know what?
It is so encouraging.
My favorite is when you're...
Using Siri to text.
Oh, gosh.
Why? Because what's being...
The inaccuracies of the text are very fun.
Yeah. No, I'm kidding.
But I love it.
It says, Charlie, I'm on my way to L.A. listening on radio.
And you know how encouraging it is for a radio guy?
I'm just like, wow, someone is listening.
Oh, come on.
No, no, because, you know, on TV, radio, people are in their car, so you don't get feedback as much because people are busy.
So it's always nice to know that.
That's awesome.
At least I got a Jack Kibbs.
Oh, my goodness.
Always. It's awesome.
So, okay, let's just dive into this.
Sorry, but I kind of almost maybe...
You want to do the hand thing?
Ask you about how did you get in contact or who, with what, Gavin Newsom?
You know, thank you.
And thank you, by the way, for covering it in prayer.
It was a difficult project, and I'll explain why.
For multiple reasons.
But first, he reached out to me.
He reached out through Kimberly Guilfoyle, his ex-wife.
And Kimberly's in Trump world and is Trump's pick to be ambassador to Greece.
Yes. And I kind of thought this was a joke at first.
And he reached out and was like, hey, Charlie, you know, I'm a big, you know, follower.
Batman voice.
Yeah, exactly.
And I was like, yeah, okay.
He's like, I'm doing a podcast.
Would love to have you come on.
I was like, yeah, sure.
Don't you have a state to run, you know?
It's like the first thing I said to him.
No, he doesn't.
Apparently not.
He was like, look, I want to learn from you.
No BS, no tricks.
I said, okay, fine.
So I was his first invited guest.
We made the decision to actually go in person.
I'm glad we made that decision.
It's just so much different than looking just through a screen.
He was like, look, I want to try to learn from you, pick your brain.
It was difficult because I wanted to be more aggressive, but when he's throwing praise on you, even though it's all fake and flattery and slippery, deceit.
Optics look bad if you went in the text.
Exactly. So I still, I think, pressed him.
Yes, you did.
And I tried to do it in a way that would please the Lord, in a way that was full of truth and grace.
I wish I would have had a venue to even more prosecute the case of California, but understand.
It is a national audience.
It's not just about California.
So it was a great opportunity.
He looked like a fool.
He got himself in a lot of trouble on a lot of different circumstances.
Yeah, he did.
And also, I defended the Lord's name.
Yes, you did.
I think three or four times you did.
That's correct.
Which was awesome.
I know this almost, and we can move on from him in a moment.
No, no, I'm happy to chat about it.
But let me play devil's advocate.
You've heard this probably a thousand times.
He upset his base.
But push comes to shove.
At the end of the day, they're always going to be Gavin Newsom fans, no matter what they say.
So do you think it's his attempt to optically move toward the middle for whatever his political pursuits might be?
Without a doubt.
I think this whole project is that he knows that people classify him as a very radical California governor, and he wants to try to moderate himself in the views of American voters.
The Democrat Party, though, wants nothing to do with any form of moderation.
That's right.
And that's what I consider to be the singular great success of our dialogue, is that I pressed him.
I said, well, why don't you stand up on this issue of biological men that are winning women's trophies?
And he was like, oh, well, I do agree with you.
It's an issue of fairness, and I think it's unfair.
Well, he's such...
Obviously a hypocrite and a liar because that biological man is about to win the state championship right now in the long jump here in this state of California and he's done nothing about it.
So it's all just rhetorical nonsense from him trying to win over political favor.
The Gavin Newsom experiment is going to be really interesting to see where the state of the Democrat Party actually is.
Because they should moderate on some of these issues.
They should come towards common sense on it.
I don't think they will, though.
I think they're so married to their base on these.
Fundamental issues of open borders and defund the police and rioting and arson and crime and shutting down schools and vaccine mandates and then, of course, the men and female sports.
And if he even went away from it on a minute level, and if I had more time with him, I would have...
is held captive to a pagan religion that is the Democrat Party.
And this is what drives me nuts when pastors are indifferent about getting involved in politics.
Politics is merely a manifestation of a spiritual battle.
I know you and I will dialogue about this further, that there's really two worldviews.
There's one where you believe in Genesis 1-1, God created the heavens and the earth, in the beginning God created everything, or one that is a manifestation of the pagan river civilizations of old.
Atheism really is just a small fringe.
There's very few people that believe in no God.
There is a God that fills that void.
That's right.
The God of narcissism, the God of anti-racism, the God of pleasure, the God of stuff, and the Democrat Party is the placeholder.
So true.
More than ever, would you agree, more than ever, now look, I'm old enough to be your dad, so for as long as I've been alive, I have never seen it so black and white, so divided, so crystal clear, that it's no longer...
There for someone to say, well, you know, I'm a Democrat, but I'm definitely more like a JFK Democrat.
No, you're not.
You can't be.
You can't be, because JFK, if he were back today, they'd throw him out.
They are so radical now.
Look at Bobby Kennedy.
This is true.
Bobby Tulsi.
Bobby basically has the views of his father and his uncle.
And now he's Trump's HHS secretary, and I think he's doing a wonderful job.
Yeah, absolutely.
Okay, so what in the world, Charlie, is going on?
You're all over the U.S., campuses, your crowds.
Where were you?
Oh my goodness, you were in Knoxville recently, which freaked me out because I was getting...
Andrew, somebody sent me photos of you and the crowd, and I was just so elated to see this going on in Knoxville.
What's happening?
What in the world is going on with the young people in America right now?
Boy, well, first, what happened in the election was profound.
Younger people moved significantly more in the conservative Trump direction than older voters did.
Actually, older voters moved a couple points towards Kamala Harris.
Younger voters moved significantly towards Donald Trump.
This is data that Ezra Klein and David Shore have actually built out, and we've been profiling that on our podcast, on our show.
They're both lefties.
They're not one of us.
But they're looking at the data, and they're doing an autopsy.
The data is so...
Clear and so dramatic that if you find a 20-year-old man, he is on average far more conservative than his grandfather.
That's never happened in my...
Not in my lifetime.
It's never happened even since Reagan.
So Reagan, we had the kids that were pretty conservative, the parents were even more conservative.
Never had we had it where the 20-year-old is more conservative than his grandfather.
There's a lot of reasons for this.
Number one, where they get their information.
Now, I'm not here to attack all boomers, but if you're 75, you get information from CNN or NBC or ABC or the New York Times.
You consume through these media networks that are completely dishonest and full of hackery.
Whereas a 20-year-old, they're getting news from the Charlie Kirk show or from the Megyn Kelly show or from TikTok or from Instagram.
Or Rogan.
Or Joe Rogan.
They're getting it in these decentralized ways.
Beautiful. It is a beautiful thing.
Even more so that's really exciting from a religious Christian perspective is that during COVID we saw a deep deacceleration of the church.
We saw a lot of people walk away from the church.
Thankfully, praise God, the New York Times had to publish a story that's actually plateaued.
It's gone up a little bit.
Church attendance is going up a little bit.
Not a lot.
But hey, it's a pull up of the nose.
It's being driven by one demographic, men under 30. Men under 30 are flocking to the church in record numbers that are just...
We're flummoxing the experts.
They can't believe it.
And we see it on these campuses, Jack.
There is an appetite.
There's a desire for truth.
We believe this generation has been...
Just suffocating in the lies of modernity, which we believe to be secularism, which is against God's will and God's plan for our life.
And what we're seeing on these campuses, again, it all comes back to spiritual truths.
Exactly right.
And I am first and foremost a Christian and a follower of Jesus.
My profession, though, is to try to fight for the best political system, but I'm unafraid to talk about matters of spirituality and abortion, and those always come up, and that's the key, is that eventually...
The person will come up to the microphone and they'll ask a question about ultimate truth and ultimate principles.
There is a revival waiting to happen right now.
And I wish more churches and pastors were like yourself, waiting to receive them.
Well, honestly, without boasting, I'm announcing I wish other pastors would for this one reason.
Why should we have all the blessings?
Yeah, you guys are running out of parking spots.
We're out of parking spots.
God is blessing and overwhelming.
We're creating ministries to reach the world more and more.
And you're doing an amazing job.
And that's just what's blowing our minds.
We had two board meetings in the last two days where we just had to sit down and almost just...
Shout and be overwhelmed to the point of almost laughter where what in the world is going on where God is doing stuff?
We need more pastors to take a stand and you said it at the beginning and you just said it again and that is this.
You cannot parse out the secular from the sacred.
There's no such thing that exists.
To God, it is all sacred.
And he deals.
He goes into the world of what man calls secular.
And what he's doing right now is he's waking young people up to pursue truth.
They may not be saying, I feel God in my life.
That may not be happening that way, but they may be thinking, I've been lied to.
I don't like the way this is going.
Who can I trust these days?
And they're in route.
I think, Charlie, now I'm not a prophet.
I'm just hoping.
With what these young people are now questioning and pursuing, i.e., they're looking to you.
They're coming in droves.
They're gathering by the tens of thousands to hear what you have to say.
It may be that the spiritual revival is about to happen.
We have certainly seen, can I put it this way, a political revival in America?
That's right.
We're seeing this with Trump and his policies.
Our hope is that there'll be a spiritual revival within the church because I'm a little bit concerned where men like Elon Musk get more persecution than the pastor.
That's right.
I think that's right.
And to Elon's credit, he has...
He's publicly been saying that if the West is no longer Christian, the West will no longer be free.
That's right.
He is searching for, I believe, ultimate truth.
And I think we should be praying for that.
Absolutely. And honestly, he's also doing more to fight for righteous purposes than even some pastors that I can think of.
Exactly. And Elon is not a pastor, but he doesn't call himself a pastor, which is really important.
Look, we are in this God-granted season of grace.
That we did not earn, that we did not deserve.
I mean, we all know what would have happened if Kamala would have won.
Oh, gosh.
I mean, we'd be having a much different conversation right now.
Much different.
In a bunker.
From a bunker.
Our churches would be raided with FBI agents.
Our... AM radio would have been shut down.
The turning point would be completely persecuted.
The borders would be totally open.
The border issue alone might have broken the back of this country.
I completely agree,
but here's my fear, and my fear is that pastors are not...
Actively trying to provoke that spiritual revival.
Because they don't understand how to reach the young men that are coming to their church.
That are seeking this.
And so, for example, you have young men that will drive two hours to come to this church.
That's right.
They'll drive across state lines.
And that's a good thing for you.
That means you're doing your job.
Do you know what that means?
That means they passed a hundred churches on the way here that aren't doing their job.
That's exactly correct.
And the thing I hear, and again, I emphasize young men, because as the men go, the society goes.
That's right.
It's not a sexist thing to say that.
And I think that's why Satan, the spiritual darkness of this world, goes after men.
Exactly. You control a man, you castrate a man speaking, socially speaking, in other ways, sometimes literally, and then you remove the man that God designed to be a leader, then the culture falls apart.
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And a lot of these pastors are unequipped, ill-equipped to be able to communicate to this young man.
So let's just say a young man comes to a local pastor.
Understand he has been conditioned through social media of watching myself, watching you, watching Matt Walsh of...
Plainly spoken truths.
Yep. So he does not want watered down political correctness.
No, he's done with that.
He's done with that.
And yet he goes, and the pastor is doing well, you know, maybe there's no difference between heaven or hell, and maybe homosexuality's fine.
And this young man says, forget it, this is a waste of time.
That's right.
I'm not getting up at 9 a.m. for this.
That's right.
This is hyper-feminine, you know, everyone goes everywhere.
I don't want that.
Instead, you know what that young man really wants?
He wants a strong male pastor to say, you're a sinner, you're acting like a loser, stop watching porn, stop drinking.
Because he knows it's true.
Holy Spirit's speaking there.
It cuts straight into the heart issue, right?
He doesn't want the, I use this example a lot, and I know you'll, you know, take it.
Well, Jack, some pastors don't like it, but it's just a factual thing.
These advertisements that he gets us advertisements, which I don't like.
Look, I don't like it.
Okay, good.
I don't know.
I think they're...
They're misleading.
And they're hyper-narcissistic.
Absolutely. And they're also incredibly feminine.
Absolutely. And so you think about it.
What is the type of gospel where you want to be like, well, he gets you.
Well, hold on.
The gospel is not an I-centric.
That's right.
Right? It is a Jesus-centric.
It's come and be crucified.
Exactly. And so the young man hears a gospel, something of the sort of...
You know, your emotions are the most important thing.
We're not going to judge you.
We're not going to give you rules for life.
Where they are begging the pastor, can you please do a life correction plan for me?
Can you please show me what I'm doing wrong?
Challenge me.
Give me something to do.
But that might offend people, Jack.
The gospel truth is going to be offensive.
But you think about it.
Again, I know this might sound like an overgeneralization, but God created the masculine and the feminine.
We need a balance of both.
When a society gets too masculine, you invade Poland.
When a society gets too feminine, you start chopping off girls' breasts.
So you have to get a balance.
Right now we're way too feminine.
What does that mean?
That means that no one challenges bad ideas of people in power.
Women are societal enforcers of norms.
And so that used to be a really good thing when America was Christian.
Yes. Because the moms of America would be the ones that would say, hey, stop drinking.
We need prohibitions.
You know, they were the enforcers of Christian norms.
Now women are very, very far left because societal norms are liberal.
And so they are in...
Definitionally are like, hey, we can't offend the single or trans person, even though it's one in 50,000 people, or even less than that.
We can't say one thing that will offend them.
We can't possibly say anything that homosexuality is wrong, because that would be too judgy.
And the question I ask pastors is, forget whether or not this is a good idea or a bad idea biblically.
Has this worked?
Has the overly emotional, feeling-based gospel worked?
Last 30 years, it hasn't.
That's right.
Church attendance is down.
We are less Christian than we were 30 years ago.
That's right.
Exactly right.
You said something a second ago that made me think about, is this still true?
Regarding Trump and the statistics, did he do poorly with the white suburban female still?
He did better.
He did better?
But he did not.
What's with them?
What's the deal with that?
Well, a lot of things.
Number one, they are increasingly secular.
And so white educated, and that's the key.
So you have to break it apart.
The divisions in America are less on race, so I shouldn't even say white, but it tends to be this group tends to be more white.
It's more about whether or not you have four-year college or you don't.
And most importantly, so let's just kind of go into the most miserable people in America.
No, it's true.
This is not Charlie just conjecturing.
This is who actually commits suicide the most, the people that ask for antidepressants the most.
This is surveys that actually say, are you very happy or very unhappy?
With like 100,000 respondents.
The unhappiest people in America are women who are not married without kids.
Without a doubt.
And they tend to be very loyal Democrats.
Voters, right?
They're looking for meaning and they find that meaning in societal macro-shaping.
But then you kind of go to your suburban mom, right?
The suburban mom, they tend to not be as religious as suburban women used to be.
They'll be, like, spiritual, so they might find a local church that is in that heretical mold, but they will not necessarily glean towards a Jack Kibbs church.
Too judgy.
Too judgy.
He's too political.
Too long of a service in the Bible, too much Bible.
Yeah, way too much Bible, right?
Yeah. Secondly, though, that they have a great attachment because they're very big into boss babe feminism.
In their own personal career accomplishments.
What's it called?
Boss babe feminism.
Help me.
So boss babe is this kind of trend where I'm running the company and I'm a boss babe.
So you never heard this term before?
No, I'm old.
You guys have never heard this before?
Oh my goodness.
I'm old.
So think of...
Have you ever seen House of Cards?
No? Ever seen that show?
No? I'm trying to think of a good example of who, like, a boss babe would be that you would think of.
Think of...
Okay, um, think...
Let me...
Think of, like, AOC...
Oh, gosh.
Energy, where...
And she's the boss?
Yeah. That's terrifying.
Yeah, so think...
By the way, just so you know, many of your companies are being run by childless 32-year-old women with kids.
Got it.
Got it.
Seen it.
So you've seen that kind of archetype, right?
Their identity is in how many shoes they own and how many trips they go on.
Gosh, this is going to be brutal to say.
I'll probably get shot for this.
Go ahead.
I have been...
I'm trying not...
I'm just using data.
Everything I'm saying is rooted in...
In fact, I'm going to blame you for this.
It's fine.
Do women who are in authority...
There's exceptions.
Yes. There's exceptions.
But does it seem that women who are handed authority have a tendency to overplay the authority more than a man?
Well, it's overcompensation, right?
And I'm not saying that to be mean, but men work this out in the fifth grade in the field at school, beating each other up.
It's an issue of nature, and it's very simple.
Let me tell you why.
It's because women have a very difficult time not emphasizing on the micro.
So when you're in charge of something, you definitionally have to be focused on macro.
Let me prove it to you.
If you go to a random party and you sit next to a guy, he's going to talk to you about sports, the stock market, political affairs, or the end of the world.
Right? Basically the most macro topics that you could imagine.
Are we going to war with Iran?
The most big...
You sit next to a woman, she'll be talking about conversations she had at lunch.
Yes. She'll be talking about her kids.
Or her doctor visits.
The most micro things imaginable.
So if you're running a team, an organization, or a CEO, you are focusing on micro when you need to be vision casting.
Now, some women are able to do macro.
There's exceptions to all things, right?
Esther was able to do macro.
But generally, if you want to deliver people from the promised land, you need a Moses.
You need someone that is the biggest macro thinker imaginable.
And men are better programmed for this.
And this is also one of the reasons why the stereotype is true.
We tend to not clean our rooms and we tend to kind of be a mess.
We kind of like forget the micro and we're just like, nope, we're going to go do the biggest possible thing imaginable.
So true.
It's how God has gifted us.
So when it comes to women in leadership, whatever that might look like, they will hyper-emphasize conversations or whatever little detail that might be plaguing the group.
When there might be a much bigger issue at play.
So true.
So when we get, we now look at societal, and your question was about Trump with suburban women, many of them are not necessarily in happy marriages, and they have an idea of what they think the Western man should be.
And their idea of the Western man is largely born out of a concept that came out of college where they think the Western man should at best be egalitarian with the woman.
Or at worst, that we need a woman to be superior to the man.
And so we've lived in this feminist lie, whether we realize it or not, the last 40 years, right?
And how has that worked?
We've told women to stop getting married, stop having kids, and the Western woman is so beyond miserable.
That's right.
Child rates are going down.
They are consuming benzodiazepines and Xanax and Zoloft and Prozac and numbers that are just unfathomable, right?
It's pandemic.
It really is.
So has the experiment of sexual liberation of women worked?
No, it's been a catastrophe, actually.
In fact, if you want to know whether or not a marriage is going to work, you know what the number one indicator is?
You can use this in marital counseling.
Tell me.
And the data.
How many sexual partners has the woman had?
Oh. Yeah.
If it's five or more, the marriage almost will not work out.
Guaranteed. Yeah, I could see that.
I could see because...
It sounds sexist, but it actually doesn't matter how many the man has had.
No, well, this is a great...
Meaning it's not an indicator.
It matters spiritually.
Well, listen, I've got to tell you, Lisa and I have been involved in marital counseling for over 36 years with people, and it's remarkable because not to destroy the man and not to destroy the woman, but you said something that people need to know about, people need to hear, especially the young people, is that a woman who,
I'll just use the term, samples the field.
Yeah, fine.
She thinks she's liberated.
She thinks she can do what a guy does in that area.
I'm not condoning the conduct, but she's so made different that what happens is it's an imprint upon her that it's so, so forever for her.
And if she has five or ten, there's an imprint where the guy...
And again, I'm not bashing guys, but a guy is more forgetful.
He's not impressionable that way.
He does great in a monogamous, long-term relationship is where he flourishes, and that's where the intimacy is meaningful to him.
And that's actually what she needs, what she wants, and she doesn't know it.
She thinks, I'm going to be like a guy.
Well, you can't be like a guy because we don't take all that stuff seriously.
To say it...
A step further is that women are designed by God to view sex very personally, very relationally.
Men view it very physically, especially when they're 19 years old.
So when a woman has a personal sexual interaction, there's an attachment.
There literally are pheromones that are released.
It makes a stamp and it's there.
And it's tattooed for life.
That's right.
So if you have five plus, the data shows that that marriage is going to be on the rocks.
Because there will be something that surfaces.
Of an unremedied...
Now, if there's a woman out there that might have five-plus sexual partners, you can deal with that with counseling and should be addressed.
It's not a death sentence.
Jesus can meet the woman at the well still to the...
But you have to know what you're dealing with.
And so let's just talk...
We're talking macro, right?
So we have a liberated Western woman.
Wow. Where an average college girl will have, you know, seven to ten sexual partners within four years.
Most Christian parents don't realize that's what they're sending their girls into, right?
Which basically college has become...
An incredibly destructive enterprise for young women.
That's right.
Young men too, but for young women especially.
And so how do they cope with that?
They have to start acting like men.
Yep. And that's what they do.
They start dressing like men.
They start talking like men.
They start trying to run companies.
They fill the gap, huh?
And they fill the gap because they start having sexual behaviors like men.
So they have to start becoming men.
Literally, that's where they get the trans thing.
And then they say, oh, I don't need to have a family.
So they become 32, 34, 36. The worst is still ahead of them.
And the dating pool shrinks as you get older.
I didn't make the rules, just the way that nature is designed.
So they end up being 36 with no real high probability of finding a long-term partner, and they get extremely bitter.
Right. And by getting bitter, they find a Democrat Party where the Democrat Party is a vessel for bitterness.
That's right.
If you are a bitter, broken person, the Democrat Party is perfect for you because all it is is complaining all the time.
That's all the Democrat Party is.
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Charlie, isn't it crazy that, again, this is going to sound so mean, but it's a podcast.
There's nothing, everything is like, I'm saying it.
We can do this in a podcast.
You can almost see people, if we have our TV muted, before they identify who they are, you can see who a conservative is by the face and who the progressive is.
Of course.
They're miserable looking and weathered.
Notice I said they, I didn't.
Exactly say which group, but it's very obvious.
Look, I agree.
And there are exceptions, okay?
But generally...
That's so well politically played right there.
But generally, let me tell you why.
Beautiful. So if you are a conservative, you want to conserve, which means you have gratitude because you want to keep what you have.
Gratitude creates joy.
Joy? We know that.
So you cannot be joyful if you're not grateful.
Never has happened in the history of this.
That's right.
You've never been a joyful person without gratitude.
Now, if you are a liberal, that means you want to liberate, which means you want to change, which means definitionally you don't have gratitude, you have ingratitude.
Yeah. And so you then...
Of course.
And you won't be happy until you establish your change, but the change never comes because what you're pursuing is a theory at best.
It's destruction.
That's right.
Most likely.
So to complete the point...
How did Trump do with this demographic?
Well, one of the reasons why young men moved more in his direction, and again, there's some generational differences.
Gen X women, for example, went way for Trump, which was amazing, whereas millennial women did not as much.
The biggest thing is this, is that Trump represented an alpha male rebellion against toxic femininity.
And you could say a lot about Trump, but if you look at how he acts and how he talks, you definitely don't think he's feminine.
Correct. Would you agree?
100%. Come on.
I know, it's obvious, but the point needs to be emphasized that from his body posture to his stamina to his unapologetic nature to his hyper-aggression to his ferocity, you look at that and you say, you could call him a lot of things, but definitely not on the feminine spectrum.
So therefore, he was, in a lot of ways, a cultural healing point.
And represented that.
Yeah, very true.
As we lived under the constant apologizing for America, the political correctness BS, the pronoun police, we're going to come after your kids, and Donald Trump represented the metaphorical dad coming home to restore order to society.
Is that the same reason why we've seen a tremendous shift among black men?
Without a doubt.
In support of Trump.
I'm blown away with the reporter on the street asking a guy that looks like maybe he's Bob Wiley's son saying, Trump's the guy!
Trump's the guy!
And it's like, what?
Again, this is all just nature.
This is all biblical.
That's why I love talking about this.
So why is it that men, specifically men under 30, went so far in the Republican direction?
Well, it's because young men don't like taking orders from women.
They don't.
A 17-year-old is less likely to take orders from his mom than his dad.
We know this from why kids go to jail.
When you find a 20-year-old in jail, almost guaranteed, if they're under the age of 25 for a violent crime, they didn't have a dad around.
It's almost like a one-to-one correlation.
That's right.
My goodness, that's so true.
And so if you look at...
If you look at inner-city crime at schools, what is the one thing that can stop two people fighting?
A female teacher can stop, they will ignore it.
They'll ignore it.
But a strong masculine figure coming in, stop it, all of a sudden they'll listen to it differently.
So extrapolate that to our politics.
So true.
The Democrat Party, two of the last three times, nominated a woman, and then one time nominated a comatose person.
So, like, it's just...
Weak. Weak or feminine, right?
So then you have Hispanic and black men.
Who are saying, wait a second, I can't afford anything, I can't afford a home, homelessness is everywhere, drugs are the roof, everyone's miserable, COVID lockdowns, and I'm supposed to take more orders from women, which naturally, the way God designed them, they're not likely to take orders from women, just as it is.
And then you've got Kamala Harris scrowling at them, saying, like, sit down and shut up and give more power to the women, and they say, forget you.
I'm going to go to the...
Ultra Alpha.
And that explains the rebalance.
Is there any healing?
I don't know if that's the right word.
Is there any healing or anything on the horizon for the Democrat Party to fix?
Is there any?
They're doubling down.
They're going deeper into crazy land.
And I know the answer to this question.
I'm just saying I want this on the podcast.
Where is their answer?
They don't want God.
Their answer isn't Jesus, right?
Well, we know that, but they don't want Jesus because he's too whatever, whatever.
Too truthful.
I mean, look, if they were to moderate a little bit, then I think they might have some political future.
But again, I think it's all very spiritual fundamentally.
Absolutely. And they care more about earthly domination than we do.
They just do.
This is their whole ballgame, right?
As you know, Jesus said Satan was the prince of this world.
Paul called him the god of this world, right?
So Satan is really angry he doesn't control the White House right now.
Yeah. Because that is the most powerful office in the world.
To double down on what you just said, I think it was in the news today that Trump just nailed, or he's going to nail, funding for Planned Parenthood.
Praise the Lord.
Which, think about it.
Think about this.
Today we say Planned Parenthood.
We sterilize it all.
Step back 4,000 years ago.
We're talking about Moloch, Remphan, the deities, Baal.
We're talking about these shrines where they sacrificed babies.
And here we are in the 21st century sacrificing babies.
The architecture might have changed, but the demon spirits behind it have not gotten anywhere.
That's exactly right.
To contextualize that, then praise the president's great courage, is that there's something really perplexing.
The Aztecs, the Mayans, and the Incans never had contact with the Egyptians, the Indus River Valley, the Chinese, the Mesopotamians.
Yet all of them had ritualistic child sacrifice, where the most important thing they did religiously was to take a child to the high point, cut it open, and live it up to the guts.
That's... It's inexplicable unless you look at things through a spiritual lens.
That's right.
Period. That's right.
That they believed, or maybe there was, that they got some sort of earthly power through the sacrificing of children.
So fast forward to today, we have 1.5 million abortions a year, and it is the life force of the Democrat Party.
That's right.
What is the one thing the Democrat Party will not budge on?
It is no restrictions whatsoever for the massacring of children.
Because it's demonic.
Of course it is, yes.
And Christ said it's better for you to have a millstone hung around your neck and thrown into a lake than go after the least of these.
Right. And so the Democrat Party has an attachment to this that I think can only be explained through, you know, scripture.
That's right.
To go even a step further, President Trump now going after the funding of this makes the enemy very mad.
That's right.
The enemy wants more dead kids, has always and will always want them.
Yeah. Isn't it interesting because...
You look at the funding of it, where Jesus says, you can either serve God or mammon.
Mammon was the god of money.
And it's remarkable how, you're right, they are...
They've got to preserve that institution of child sacrifice, and money is the means by which they do that.
So you've got this dual-headed Medusa monster that they bow down and worship, though the trick is for Medusa to not get them to understand what they're really doing.
Correct. So they actually believe, I think some of them maybe actually believe, this is women's rights.
It's liberty.
It's women's freedom.
It's liberation.
It's literally the opposite.
But they've been so lied to to think that this decision, killing the baby, doing my own thing, it's my body.
They refuse to look at people who have already lived before them to find out this is a dead end.
It ends measurably.
Without a doubt.
And Seth Gruber had this great viral clip, and I know you like Seth a lot, where he argues, and I think it's a very profound point, that abortion is the inverse of the sacrament of communion.
Yes. And just a quick, I won't do it nearly as well as him, but it's very profound.
Communion says, this is my body.
And what do they say with abortion?
This is my body, my choice.
That it has ritualistic, religious practices behind it.
Yes. And it really makes you think the spiritual energy, the dark spiritual energy around the elimination of millions of children.
Yeah, absolutely insane.
Where's the country going, Charlie?
I don't know.
Right now, I mean, we're a couple months into what seems like Trump's been in office now for like a couple hundred years.
Praise the Lord.
It's been amazing, hasn't it?
It's the golden era.
I mean, I don't know.
Do you think we're going to survive the midterms?
Maybe, maybe not.
I'm not...
I put so much understand of my own energy and attention in this last election.
I'm just going to allow myself like a little calendar year to harvest it.
To breathe.
To breathe and to know, you know what?
And I said this to Erica.
I said, you know, when I wake up at 2 a.m. and I hear a noise, I no longer think it's going to be the FBI.
That's true.
For me, no, we were on the list.
Yeah, I'm sure.
Now I know Kash Patel.
We're in a much better place.
You're not going to get that door kickdown.
I'm not going to get the 2 a.m. knock.
No, for four years...
That's right.
...we lived under a Soviet-style sort of Damocles.
Yeah. It was kind of hanging over us.
Yeah. That could drop at any time.
Exactly. And that's why when Trump won, I had that kind of reaction that I did, which was just pure...
You know what's weird?
Of course, you don't live in California.
Those who do watching this right now who live in California, this is kind of...
It's kind of sad, but don't let it be sad.
I actually think it's a good thing for us so far.
So you've got to remember, in 2016, 2016, the nation celebrated the election of Donald Trump.
Nothing changed in California.
We didn't have a 2016, if you think about it.
And then we had a 2024.
Something did change in California this time.
It's changing profoundly, Joe.
If people doubt, now most Californians who are engaged and Christians who are engaged, we're elated right now because we're looking at how the counties went.
Charlie, I don't know if you know this or not, but ever since 2014, we've been gaining counties.
And in 2024, we gained 10 more counties than in 2016.
Ten more counties.
Mainly Hispanic counties.
Yes. And so there's this red that's taking place, and we're just excited.
There's some things that we'll talk about later off camera.
Well, you know what's fun about this, Charlie?
And I don't know how to say this rightly, and I'll say it gracefully, that our team, Real Impact, we've been doing this for, church started 36 years ago, we've been doing this for 30 years.
Voter registration.
You can register at our church to vote 52 weeks a year.
It's always been this way here.
Everybody at church, they know about propositions.
They know about legislation.
We've informed them.
All this kind of stuff, right?
Ballot. In California now, ballot collection.
We perfected it to the point where it's become now the model.
That said, you know what's amazing, Charlie?
Is that...
The culture has caught up to where we've been standing.
All the while, we were mocked and ridiculed as being the political ministry, the political pastor.
And I was never the political pastor.
I just blew the trumpet from the wall saying, we shouldn't be funding abortion, so vote for this person or don't vote for that person.
And I was quickly labeled as political.
But in reality, after all these decades, now people think we were prophetic.
How'd you know?
I didn't know anything.
The Bible says speak up for those who have no voice.
The Bible says to do righteousness.
And so here we are now, and I know people are going to think we're nuts, but I am thrilled to see what's about to happen in California.
Things have really started to shift, and we're delighted about that.
So, yeah.
And I hope Steve Hilton runs for governor.
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The half of California voters say they'd entertain voting for a Republican.
That's the latest one.
That's amazing.
And so it can be done.
And what you guys have done here in Chino and across this entire region, it's just amazing.
It's been a blast.
It's been a blast.
Turning point.
Tell us about it.
I can't imagine anyone joining us right now, they don't know about it, but assume they don't.
Tell them about it.
Tell them where they can connect with you and all that.
Thank you.
Turning Point USA is the largest youth organization on either the right or the left in the country.
It's, praise the Lord, it's massive.
On thousands of high school and college campuses across the country, people can check it out at tpusa.com.
We also have our political arm, Turning Point Action, that is causing all sorts of good trouble across the country.
Beautiful. tpaction.com.
I do a show every single day, two hours live.
People can check it out, Charlie Kirk Show podcast.
We're excited about next Wednesday.
You, a friend of...
Of ours is recuperating.
And you, I think it's next Wednesday, right?
Yeah, I lose track of days.
Of course you do.
I mean, you're on the go.
But you will be taking Dennis Prager's slot.
Very honored and very blessed to take his whole radio portfolio.
And we're praying for Dennis' recovery.
Absolutely. It's terrible what's happened to him.
Yeah, absolutely.
So we're growing our radio footprint by 40% starting next week.
Yep, that's exactly right.
So you're going to keep up the college campus stuff?
You're going to keep that going?
Yeah, I mean, look, we see this as a unique opportunity.
It's key.
We see a cultural transformation moment where young people are starving for truth and we see this realignment occurring.
We want to try to drive some permanency there.
Yeah. We want to try to make it a permanent realignment.
And to try to bring this to the finish line.
And so I'm doing more campus stops than I've ever done this spring.
I have like 17 of them coming up.
And the videos go very viral.
And there's just one from University of Tennessee, this young lady, all about abortion.
It's been seen 45 million times.
So great.
It's actually of my 13 years of doing this.
It might be my favorite abortion dialogue I've ever had because she perfectly embodies the hostile, narcissistic nature of the abortion debate.
I don't know if you've seen this one, but it's really intense and the audience tends to like it.
And so not only will we be doing this stuff on the ground, we're drawing huge crowds.
We're going to Oklahoma State soon.
We're going all across the country.
We're going to Purdue.
We're going to Illinois State.
We're going to Michigan State.
We're going to Boise University of Wyoming.
We're going to Texas A&M and University of South Carolina.
Who invites you on there?
How is it that you guys get onto any campus?
Well, we have a turning point chapter, so that helps.
So the chapter invites you?
Yeah, and it's a whole process.
Perfect. The bureaucracy that we have to do.
Exactly why I'm asking.
Oh, it is...
Credit to our team and our staff at Turning Point USA.
They don't get the credit they deserve because I get to show up.
I have the easy part, right?
I show up.
Everyone's there.
They're applauding.
I throw out hats.
All the cameras are all set up.
But, Jack, it is going through East Germany.
That's right.
I mean, at every...
We'll show up on campus.
They have to check all the boxes.
What are these cameras for?
I mean, it's like, well, where's your permit?
You're not allowed to set up until this time in advance.
What is your papers?
No, seriously.
And, again, I...
The public gets to see this now cultural phenomenon that we've been blessed to participate in, but the staff have done just yeoman's work helping make it happen.
There's people on the other end asking something like, what's Trump like in person?
He's the same in private as he is in public.
I will say he's incredibly warm.
He's sharper than I've ever seen him.
He's a listener, huh?
He's a big listener.
He's actually in the best place that I've ever seen him since I've got to know him.
He's full of gratitude.
He's very centered.
He's more calm.
He's very calm.
He's very stoic, which is one of my favorite words to describe a leader who's really in the zone.
Someone who knows why he's there and has a purpose.
And through every lens, he asks the question, what did I promise voters?
And what is good for the country.
Every time.
Those two things.
So to complete the point, which I didn't do earlier, I apologize.
He has now significantly cut Planned Parenthood funding.
Imagine a pastor who said, don't go vote for Trump.
I know it!
Right? And he's standing by Israel, and he is securing the border and going after sex traffickers.
I mean...
If any pastor was either silent or did not at least make the case for the policies, I understand he's a man, he's a sinner, we're all sinners.
But you have some repenting to do.
Absolutely. Because look at the goodness coming out of this administration right now for biblical principles.
Isn't that sad that they can't separate the fact that they...
I'm sorry I have to say this.
It looks to me they're theoretically teaching the Bible on a Sunday.
No way do they expect their congregants to go do Christianity on Monday.
Because if they expect that to happen, that's really disciple-making, well then they're going to get into the trenches and have to deal with life.
Wait a minute.
When the pastor says amen and the people go back to their world, they're at the company in the trenches.
That's right.
I just, you know, woe to the pastor who's not equipping his flock in a day like this.
And you're missing out.
As I say, there are millions of young men, especially, that are wanting to come to your church.
And if you are not speaking truth, they're not going to reward you with their time.
Yeah, amazing.
Wrapping this up, though I don't want to, we've got other things to go do.
We've got a whole thing to go do.
We've got a whole night to do.
Am I exaggerating when I say that looking around the best I can over history, I've never seen a more competent cabinet in American history?
I can't point to another example.
I mean, not only competent, but fiercely loyal.
And I think, and I know that we're going to talk about this in a little bit, Jack, but how, I did a happening now with you back in...
Either January, February 2021.
I'm going to find the date.
It was right as Biden became president.
And it was like the lowest of the low.
And I remember the vibe that night was not...
It was bad.
Now we look four years later and we say, you know what?
I'm glad we didn't win that.
I am too.
And it's the most amazing, humbling thing.
Only God can do that.
And your losses become your victories and your failures become your triumphs.
And it is Genesis 50-20, right?
Which is what the enemy meant for evil, God will use for good.
Or Romans 8-28, for God will use all things for good, those who love him.
And you did an amazing teaching on Romans.
I've loved every minute of it.
Yeah, thanks.
And so, you just look, I just think it's a great teaching for us.
Because I remember being here, Jack.
Everyone thought it was the end of the world, the end of America, and there is no hope.
But imagine if we would have kept on to power.
We would not have Tulsi Gabbard.
That's right.
We would not have Bobby Kennedy.
We wouldn't have J.D. Vance.
Right. And I don't think we would have had the cultural conversion of these students and these young people.
Not even close.
Because God used the immorality, the stupidity, the horrific nature that the Democrat Party is.
God exposed it.
Otherwise it wouldn't have been exposed.
Maybe later down in life.
But looking back, much of their fumbling had to...
Resulted in people who were somewhat independent to think, I'm not going that direction anymore, and I'm going to go with Trump.
At least we know what he's like four years ago.
And, no, isn't it amazing?
We never would have humanly engineered, hey, let's do this.
Run, win for four years, then lose, and then run again.
In a very...
Awful way, right?
I mean, just like...
And get shot.
Get shot, and then almost shot again.
Yeah. I mean, the Lord has his hand on Trump through this entire process.
And anyone who fails to see that is just...
Yeah, absolutely amazing.
Well, Charlie, we love you.
The nation loves you.
Listen, I pray for you.
Thank you for being a mentor.
You know, you know, I pray for you all the time.
And by the way, people, you don't know this, but Charlie will send Bible verses.
And to think, well, yeah, he just sends that out because it's like a mass announcement to everybody.
Let me tell you, Charlie will send me a Bible verse and I'll say, that's an awesome verse.
And within three minutes, Charlie will say, I just read it this morning.
It's just cranking up my life.
So please pray for him that God keeps you where you're at.
Let this go to your heart and not your head.
You are...
Public enemy number one to Satan's agenda.
And so on behalf of a very, very grateful Christian community, we love you dearly.
We pray for you.
And yeah, just keep going because obviously if God grants this nation time, the place in history that Charlie Kirk's name will appear.
We'll be incredibly epic.
And that is something that you must make sure it's to your heart and not your head.
Because we cannot have you fumble.
As much as God loves you, Charlie, Satan hates your guts.
So we will continue to pray.
People, listen, we will keep Charlie going.
You guys keep praying.
Turning Point USA, follow everything that Charlie's involved in.
His radio program, the streaming, the rallies.
Just over-the-top fantastic.
And we can't say enough.
He's a national treasure, and he's also a treasure within the Church of Jesus.
