THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 80 — Karmelo Anthony "Race War?" AI Action Figures? Charlie Gets High?
Charlie, Jack, Andrew, and Blake dig into the week's biggest topics, including: -Is the Karmelo Anthony drama throwing the whole country into racial turmoil? -Did Charlie accidentally get secondhand high while going on Bill Maher's podcast? -How damning is it that the "Maryland Dad" is a fairweather Chiefs fan? Become a member at members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
We go through all the details of this terrible situation of Carmelo Anthony who stabbed Austin Metcalf to death.
We also go through a little bit of my appearance on Bill Maher.
I might have second-hand smoked marijuana and I'm not happy about it.
And we talk about it.
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It is Thought Crime Thursday.
We are live from an undisclosed location in Pullman, Washington.
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Did you get shipped to El Salvador?
Is this a hostage video?
Yeah, does this look like a hostage video?
I blame Brian completely.
We could have had the Palouse as the background.
But instead, we decided to have some sort of bunker.
Welcome to Thought Crime, everybody.
The topics today are going to be fun and exciting.
I think our first one is ADHD, if I'm not mistaken.
Which, honestly, we need Jack for an ADHD segment.
How could we possibly do ADHD without Jack?
Let's do Carmelo Anthony, because you weren't here last week for that.
Right. So Carmelo Anthony, not to be confused with the other Carmelo Anthony.
This is Carmelo with a K, not Carmelo with a C. Carmelo Anthony, of course, played for the Denver Nuggets, right?
He was a Syracuse guy, right, Brian?
And the Knicks.
Yeah, Syracuse.
I think he won a national title for Syracuse with Jim Boeheim back in, like, 01, 02, 03. So this young man was named after Carmelo Anthony.
Carmelo with a K. And it's very obvious what happened in this situation.
I actually don't even want to speak out of turn here.
Blake, I want you to give me the most pro-Carmelo argument.
Like, strong man the Carmelo case.
Because the audience has to understand that there is a widespread movement now amongst the black community and the left to support Carmelo from GoFundMes to selling t-shirts.
It's growing.
It's not a majority of the country, but it's a disturbing minority.
I want to know, am I missing something?
I keep asking that.
Blake and I have been traveling together the last week.
I'm like, Blake, what am I missing here?
What am I missing here?
What am I missing here?
So Blake, go through the facts that we know about Austin Metcalf and Carmelo Anthony and then all the recent developments today.
Am I missing something?
Because this certainly seems like murder.
Yeah, sure thing, Charlie.
So, first of all, this all happened, I think it started about two weeks ago, and there was a tragic murder that took place in Texas and in Dallas, and the situation was, initially it was a young man,
Austin Metcalf, stabbed to death, stabbed in the heart in an altercation with Carmelo Anthony.
And the original report was that it was over a seating dispute.
What came out, once we got the police report and so on, was that it sounds like there was a track meet, and Carmelo was, the description was that he was under the other team's tent.
So they have these different tents, different booth areas for different competing teams, and he was under the one for another team.
We still don't really know why.
I haven't seen that reported out in detail so far.
Why he was maybe there, because it could have been he was hanging out with someone.
It could have been he was causing trouble in some other way.
We don't know the details there yet.
And then the report in the police report is that Austin Metcalf approached and said that Carmelo had to leave.
He had to get out of there.
And that he may have touched him in some capacity to say, hey, get out.
And Carmelo said something to the extent of, if you touch me again, you'll regret it.
And then according to the report, it's that Austin grabbed him.
It doesn't say he tackled him or punched him.
It says he grabbed him.
So that's believable.
If he was trying to say get out, grab him, try to hoist him away.
And then what the account says is that Carmelo...
Pulled out a knife and stabbed him right in the heart, and he basically died on the spot.
He had his twin brother.
He died in his twin brother's arms.
And so this has become a...
It sounds like it should just be a tragic teenage murder to me, but it has become a big cause celeb that Carmelo, his family, put up a GoFundMe for his legal expenses, which I think we all agreed last week,
and I think you'd agree, Charlie.
He has the right to a legal defense.
He has the right to fundraise for it.
We've seen that be an issue in the past.
But it raised many hundreds of thousands of dollars.
And I think what really caught people's attention was the lines that were being used on that GoFundMe and on Twitter where it's like variations of that Carmelo was engaged in self-defense basically because he was grabbed.
But also these takes where it's almost like Austin was disrespecting him.
He was standing his ground because it wasn't right that anyone should tell him to go somewhere else or that if he shoved him, that was somehow justifying a lethal response.
This has continued to gain steam because in the past week, a judge drastically lowered the bail requirement for...
Carmelo to get out of jail.
It was a million dollars, and it was lowered to, I believe, $250,000, making it a lot easier to meet.
And then they made a big spectacle that he came home, and they were tweeting and stuff.
Carmelo is home now.
And then, that leads up to today, where this is why we have a good reason to continue talking about it.
The family held a press conference.
Now, two things happened at that.
First, Austin Metcalfe's father was at this press conference.
We're seeing B-roll on screen right now.
He showed up and the family of Carmelo Anthony was not happy about this.
And it seems that police or security spoke to him and basically said, please leave.
And so he did leave.
There was not a fight or anything.
And then the family proceeded.
Wait, like nobody got stabbed?
Nobody got stabbed.
He did not pull out a knife and use it on any of the officers.
I think that would have been frowned upon.
Nobody tried to stab Jeff Metcalf?
No, nobody tried to stab him.
And then, this is really wild, the family and their supporters, their attorney, or not their attorney, there was like an activist leader who was with them.
Dominique Alexander, right?
Yeah, Dominique Alexander.
gave this address where they basically said it was highly disrespectful of Jeff Metcalf to be present at this press conference.
I mean, it was probably maybe inflammatory.
I don't know if disrespectful is the term I would use.
And then, but this is where you wanted a defense of the best steel man defense of the family.
The mother of Carmelo Anthony gave a statement.
And I think maybe we have, do we have selections from that video?
We've got Dominique Alexander saying that Jeff Metcalf was being disrespectful.
Not that one.
do we have of the mother kind of relaying her experience?
Cause what she said was she did say, regardless of what you feel about.
Yeah. Yeah.
Let's, so let's play this.
Uh, let's play clip three 26.
The lies and false accusations that have been said about us, especially over the past week, has been overwhelming.
The lies and their amplification put my family in danger, as well as everyone in our community, everyone involved in the investigation.
From the police, the attorneys, and the court staff.
Our son deserves the same rights under the law that everyone is afforded to.
He's been raised in a two-parent home with structure, stability, love, and we put God first in everything that we do.
We believe in the Constitution.
We believe in the laws of this state.
But those laws must apply to all of us.
And another thing that wasn't in that clip, but she says, she said, you know, regardless of how you feel about what happened with our son, she says, you know, his parents and his siblings are not...
responsible for that.
She said that they have a daughter who's a teenager who has been afraid to sleep.
I believe it was afraid to sleep in their own home because of that.
And that's why it came.
It's been discussed that they were finding new housing arrangements.
And that's where she says she complained in there about the lies.
There have been these claims on X and elsewhere that the family immediately used the GoFundMe to buy a mansion or to...
I think by a Cadillac Escalade and various things like that.
And they said, those are lies.
And as far as I know from what I've looked in, those are not true.
They may be renting a new place, but that is what they've said they're going to do.
And there's no evidence that they bought a brand new car with money or anything.
But that has been the latest development.
But you still see these very disturbing comments on the GoFundMe or on the Gibson Go, whichever they used, where they're saying...
Like, throw up 339.
Yeah, exactly.
So we have one.
Nobody knows what happened under that tent, but the individual's involved.
And this is Will P. He says, since they will support theirs no matter what, I'm standing with my black brother.
And then he has that brown, that black...
Lives Matter fist there.
And there's 44 hearts on that remark.
So several dozen people strongly agree with that.
And there have been others to that effect over the past several weeks.
So this is very clearly becoming a racialized situation, Charlie.
And I know people want to hear what your take on it is.
Well, I think it's obviously been racialized since the beginning in the sense where you have a black perpetrator and a white victim.
We don't know if race played into it, but...
You have to ask the question, like, the media coverage of this and the kid gloves and the sympathetic.
Of course there's a racial component to this.
And it's a white kid that was murdered by a black kid for no good reason.
Because he touched him.
Because he touched him.
And I just want to just say this to our side.
Let's not take the bait at some of the worst actors that would love to try to start a race conflict war while Donald Trump is president.
While it's very obvious that Carmelo Anthony here committed murder, now Carmelo Anthony probably won't end up spending much time in prison, maybe 10 to 15 years, but I think it's very, very important that we just try to slow this down and allow the justice system to do its thing.
Carmelo Anthony deserves due process, the presumption of innocence.
I'd love to hear all of what his attorneys have to say.
They got lots of legal defense money there.
And the elements involved here is so concerning because he touched him and he just takes out a knife and he starts stabbing him.
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Let's play cut 336.
This is Dominique Alexander.
Play cut 336.
Black people in America, while the current occupant sits at 1600 Pennsylvania, black people in America don't have to pull the race card.
It's what we live as a reality every day.
It's what we have to teach our children.
We don't want to, but we have to.
We don't like to, but if we want to sleep at night, we got to.
I ain't pulling no race card.
I live it.
I'm reminded all the time that I'm a black man in America.
Okay, so he's now invoking Trump.
I have no idea what he just said.
I know the words.
I heard what he said.
I have no idea what that means.
None. I have literally no idea what that means.
While the current occupant sits at 1600 Avenue, black people in America don't have to pull the race card.
It's what we live as a reality every day.
It's what we have to teach our children.
We don't want to, but we have to.
We all like to, but if we want to sleep at night, we got to.
This is a guy who has watched way too many Martin Luther King Jr. videos and thinks he's like the next civil rights leader.
That made absolutely no sense.
No one understands what you're saying.
No, you're like black people in America.
While the current occupant sits at 1600 Avenue, we don't have to play the race card.
I ain't playing no race card.
I live it.
I'm reminded all the time.
So let me get straight.
You're part of the platoon and the team representing the black kid who murdered the white kid.
And you're now trying to bring race into this and also try to bring in Donald Trump.
And this is where the Al Sharpton is the world and all these people.
Al Sharpton hasn't pounced on this yet.
But they are licking their chops.
They're foaming at the mouth because they want to try to turn this into a big Donald Trump thing to try to make this a race war.
And let's not fall for that at all.
Let's slow down.
Let's internalize really what's happened here.
And yeah, I mean, my thoughts are this is a tragedy.
I keep on saying over and over again, am I missing anything?
Am I missing anything?
This is a very open-and-shut, clean-cut case of a black kid who had a knife when he shouldn't have because somebody touched him and he murders him in cold blood.
And then he dies in his twin's arms.
That's sick and disturbing stuff.
Is Jack with us or are we still working on the tech here?
Right here.
Jack, what are your thoughts?
Yeah, Charlie, I mean, this is a situation where, I mean, it started out as a tragedy, but it's now been turned into a circus, really by the conduct of this individual who, look, you know, I'm always one of these guys who says,
you know, don't make it about the family.
You know, let's leave the families out of it.
Let's just talk about the individuals who were, you know, involved in the case.
But this family advocate that, you know, whatever people want to call this guy or whatever he calls himself, Was hired by the family.
So this was who they chose after receiving all this money from the give, send, go.
That's going into the account there.
Huge, huge outpouring.
And suddenly it's turned into a circus.
And they say, don't make this about race.
Don't make this about race.
He himself is the one making the entire thing about race.
It's classic cry bullyism where don't do this, don't do this, don't do this.
You see, this is all about race.
You guys are making it all about race.
So he's attacking you while doing the exact same thing he's accusing you of doing.
You know, he attacks Trump, he attacks all, you know, all of society, you know, basically makes allusions to systemic racism, you know, filming these videos as if it's some kind of documentary.
And what he's really doing with the press conference today, and it's just my draw hit the floor when I saw that they were doing this, it's a classic example of Darvo.
And Darvo, and I had a tweet out on this earlier today, It's called DARVO, and it's a narcissistic tactic, but you see it happen a lot with certain types of politics, typically found on the far left or in grievance politics,
where it goes through deny, attack, and then reverse victim and offender.
This is also, by the way, that they threw the father of Austin Metcalf out of the room, because...
Of course, you cannot play the victim card when an actual victim is present.
And so not only did they, you know, kind of ironically demand that the father of Austin Metcalf move from his seat, but when he refused to move from his seat, well, they called the police on the father of the boy who was stabbed to death and bled out.
Okay. You raised the crux of the point here.
Oh, and those clips were just deleted from my chat.
The point is here, this family member, this mom actually seemed earnest in her remarks.
It felt sincere to me, like maybe she is a good Christian woman.
And listen, great parents can sometimes have wayward kids, okay?
That happens.
It's not always the parents' fault.
It isn't.
I believe that they may not be guilty of anything here.
What I will tell you they are guilty of is hiring this clown named Dominique Alexander.
An absolute clown show.
And this clip, Jack, it's 317, you guys get it ready, of him...
Basically castigating the father for showing up at this press conference is something that made my jaw absolutely drop to the floor.
I couldn't believe it when I saw it.
I think it shook the internet.
This guy is a clown.
He's an imposter.
He's a fraud.
He's a con man.
This family is guilty so far of one thing, and that is hiring this man.
And I absolutely judge them for hiring this man.
Now, I get it.
They're disoriented.
Nobody knows what to do in a situation like this.
I can tell you one thing you don't do.
Hire this man.
We should play it.
317. And all I'm going to say, so it don't be asked later, is that was disrespectful and just shows you all the character.
He was not invited.
He knows that it's inappropriate to be near this family.
But he did it.
And so I say to people, actions speak louder than words.
Okay? What he has failed into is the political operatives that want to make this thing a political thing of hate.
yet bigotry and yet racism.
We have conservative operatives that have been posting nonstop
Okay. Charlie, go for it.
I really don't like this person.
I mean, I don't know really what to say that I can say, but I'll just say that This is the worst.
There's like an entire industry of people like this.
Benjamin Crump is like this, where they are just...
They're not just ambulance.
They're not ambulance chasers.
They are crisis chasers.
And they get in front of the cameras.
And in fact, the media is giving this any sort of hearing.
The Dallas Morning News.
Family of Frisco stabbing suspect under attack with harassment threats, mothers say.
Oh, really?
Your son murdered somebody.
Oh, really?
And now you hire this clown.
To go on and on about this is racism.
This is racism.
I mean, honestly, why don't you raise a kid that knows not to have A, a knife on him at a track meet?
B, not to go use that knife.
And by the way, just so we're clear, there is image after image of K. Marlo Anthony.
Carmelo Anthony, now with a C. Not exactly living a Boy Scout life.
Lots of images of him kind of playing into all this.
And so...
While there might have been a two-parent home raising Carmel Anthony, I don't know what his parents were doing all day long.
These parents should have a little bit of contrition.
These parents should have a little bit of shame.
Like, where is the shame in these parents?
Look at these images on screen.
He's got like an AK-47 with a gang sign.
This is in a nice area in Frisco, Texas.
And... The lack of any self-awareness for these parents to think, yeah, we raised a murderer.
Oh, I know what we're going to do.
We're going to now go play the victim because people said mean stuff to us.
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Blake. Yeah, I'm a little more sympathetic to them just in that, like, I'm generally, you know, in the war between nature and nurture over the last 20 years, like, nature has kind of been kicking the butt of nurture, and that's not the answer we like.
People like the idea that we can very strongly influence how people turn out, but a lot of people are just kind of rotten, and I would say, unfortunately, I suspect this kid was going to go a bad way.
No matter what.
They can love him.
They can support him.
But some people just are going to be dangerous and violent individuals.
And I'm also just...
Do I wish they were behaving a bit differently?
Yeah, I do.
I would like the idea that someone could just be properly horrified and ashamed that someone in their family did an unspeakable evil.
But one of the things about family is, is those are the people who we like have to generally associate with.
And they kind of do support you when nobody else will.
And sometimes that's really unpleasant.
that comes to mind, I think, was that that creep in that creep in Idaho who allegedly murdered all of those all those girls at the college.
And Brian.
Oh, Brian...
That's where I am right now.
Yeah, exactly.
Watch out, Charlie.
Because, you know, the real killer might still be out there.
No, I'm watching out.
But I remember the family issued a statement that basically said, like, this is horrifying, but, like, he is our son and we are going to...
Brian Koberger.
Yeah, like, we are going to do what we can.
It was, like, a pretty anodyne statement overall, but they were saying, like, he is our son and we will try to support him.
And I remember, like, one of his sisters got fired from her job as a result of this because she was just related to this bad guy.
And I think most people responded with, wait, that's a gross thing to do.
You should not punish a collective group of people for what one person did, even if it is possible.
Maybe there was inept parenting in there.
Maybe there was negligence in there.
That's very possible.
And I remember we were also, you know, we had the discussion here when they prosecuted the parents because that son got a gun and then committed a shooting with it.
In that case, it was definitely inept.
Grossly negligent parenting by the parents involved.
They had a son who there were clear red flags that he was dangerous and yet they allowed him to obtain a weapon.
And I think we all basically agreed it's still not good to normalize prosecuting parents for what their kids do.
Or at least we said if they were going to do it, it should be done equally.
But there was also a racial angle to that one too, I think we thought.
So my general disposition, this will get me called...
Probably a cuck by the comments or something.
But I'm not going to get really angry at the family.
Other than, yeah, they hired this local activist parasite who you Google his name and you get the 2016 article where he goes to jail for breaking probation and it's his eighth time in jail because he'd previously beat a child and done all this bad stuff.
I suspect they don't know about all of that.
These people ooze.
They're disgusting individuals.
They very obviously are so.
I wish they hadn't done that, but I will not get as angry as a lot of people do that they support their son.
People support their kids.
That is how the world is.
Blake, there was a graphic that just came up.
These are all of Dominique Alexander, the real clown in this whole story.
Carmelo Anthony deserves to be...
Criminal number one, but criminal number two here, 1B really, is Dominic Alexander.
These are all his mugshots.
Go to 329.
Somehow he's also a cross-dresser, so I'm not exactly sure.
A little sugar in the tank of that photo.
Yeah, so just to give you a smattering of this guy's rap sheet.
2009, arrested, convicted in 2011, charged with causing serious bodily injury to a child, a two-year-old, first-degree felony.
He pleaded guilty in 2011 and received 10 years of deferred adjudication probation.
2011-2013, probation violations violated probation terms from the 2011 child injury case multiple times, including stealing a car, check forgery, and involvement in domestic disturbance leading to a police chase in Carrollton.
2015, cited by Arlington Police for offensive physical contact against a family member.
2016, sentenced to two years in prison in August 2016 for multiple probation violations and the 2011 child injury case.
2017, arrested in Denton County.
And on and on and on.
So this guy is a real swindler, a real con artist.
And somehow he's locked arms with this family.
And so, like, while I'm tempted to be sympathetic to this mom who said they put God first, okay, you're speaking my love language, lady.
I get it.
Like, I want to have sympathy for you.
What on earth are you doing with this guy?
How did he show up?
Where did he come from?
Is there, like, a Ben Crump backup, like, call center somewhere where these guys, like, oh, Ben Crump's not available?
So this guy just slides right in?
Like, this is insane to me.
And the fact that they're just sitting there letting him do his thing is insane.
Revolting. When you order Ben Crump on Teemu, you end up with this guy.
Like the AI slot version of Ben Crump.
Yeah. There we go.
Yeah, basically.
And I'm sorry, but the family ordered this.
The family didn't have to choose this guy.
They could have picked someone.
They clearly want to, right?
She's standing right there.
Throughout all of this, she's endorsing everything that he's saying.
She doesn't once say, hey, let's not racialize this.
In fact, it was the father of Austin Metcalfe who originally said, let's not racialize this.
Let's just make this about two individuals.
Yeah, the day after.
He said, I don't want to make this a race thing.
And then all of a sudden, it was the family of the perpetrator.
I'll say alleged perpetrator, whatever, for legal purposes, but it was not the family of the son.
That's what I mean.
He did admit to it.
So he said, it's not alleged.
I did this.
I'm not laughing.
I shouldn't be laughing, but it's just such a joke.
It's clown world.
This is clown world on steroids.
This family has decided to tear apart their entire community, by the way.
By the way, at one point, I think it's later in the press conference, he even...
He even starts attacking the school district.
I think it's the Frisco ISD, Independent School District, because they're going to be expelling Carmelo.
He said, how dare you expel him?
He's only weeks away from graduation.
He stabbed a kid to death!
He stabbed a kid to death!
Right? An unarmed teenager.
You can't reason with these people.
No, you cannot reason.
There's no reason.
It kind of makes you wonder, did Ben Crump even look at this?
And he's like...
Nah, I'm good.
Yeah, I will say though, by the way, I've been keeping an eye out for like, so you see how all the high level Democrats and Chris Van Hollen are all in on this.
They haven't been gangbanger.
Yeah, nobody.
And I've really been looking for this.
Nobody has been on this one because they all realize like this ain't the one, you know, this is, this is really not the one to get into.
And yeah, there's, there's no really high profile individual on the left at all.
We'll see.
You know, we'll see.
And I will certainly find it if it does happen.
By the way, as we're doing this, I believe, speaking of the MS-13 guy, I believe they just released some pictures of him meeting with, you know, breaking news, meeting with Senator Chris Van Hollen.
So apparently he's not in the death and torture camps, but apparently they went and got margaritas or something down in El Salvador, which is pretty amazing.
So, yeah.
We've seen them go all in on the gangbanger, but no, they have not gone in on the child stabber just yet.
Now everybody's looking it up.
Yeah, he's like...
Yeah, no, it's incredible.
I guess Bukele let him out.
The whole thing's insane.
The fact they got this far is actually frustratingly...
Here, we'll put the image up.
I've got it.
Eventually. It's interesting.
Yeah, and it's just like, this is our country now.
This is the country we have to live in.
You know, each case that comes up is, you know, we've got to litigate each piece of it.
There we go.
There it is.
There's Kilmar Abrego Garcia.
And he's a Chiefs fan.
Of course he's a Chiefs fan.
He lives in freaking Maryland.
This guy sucks.
Keep him there.
Are you kidding me?
That's the worst one.
He just follows the popular team.
No, that's right.
This guy, keep him in El Salvador.
Yeah. Are you kidding me?
Look at this Maryland dad.
And look at the fake sincerity of this senator.
I'm surprised, actually, El Salvador even arranged this meeting.
I'm actually surprised, to be perfectly honest.
Bukele posted the pictures himself on X. I think he actually kind of broke the story.
Just a couple of minutes ago.
He is a citizen of El Salvador.
I hope...
Everyone understands that.
He has citizenship in the country of El Salvador.
Yeah, it's not a foreign prison.
They keep saying, oh, they sent him to a foreign prison.
They sent him to a foreign prison.
It's not a foreign prison for him.
That is his regular prison because he's from El Salvador.
I'll be honest.
It's domestic.
I'm surprised at the way this is developed because I feel like the simplest way this should resolve itself is like the Supreme Court said you have to facilitate his return.
So what Trump should do is come out and say like, okay.
Like, publicly, hey, El Salvador, are you willing to send this guy to us?
And Bukele should come out and say, no, because he's an El Salvadoran citizen, and we suspect he's a member of a criminal gang that we imprison every member of.
No, they did that at the White House.
They kind of did that at the White House when he was sitting there.
They alluded to it, but, like, they did not literally do that, and I feel like that's kind of what the Supreme Court was asking them to do.
Try to get him back.
And they could send the formal requests.
They could have Marco Rubio's secretary write up a little email and send it to them.
And then Bukele can come out and say, yeah, El Salvador does not extradite its citizens who we suspect have committed crimes so that they can avoid punishment.
And then he can say, we'll investigate him for the whole MS-13 thing because there's reason to believe that.
And then they can go into that.
And then we can go from there.
That would probably have been the best way to handle it, but we'll see what unfolds.
This is pretty funny.
But this is great, actually, from Naive Bukele, president of El Salvador.
He said, now that he's been confirmed healthy, he gets the honor of staying in El Salvador's custody.
Which is great.
I noticed that Bukele actually retweeted Cernovich, who said there was a pernicious lie going around, and apparently liberals were actually believing it, that he was actually dead.
So I think Naive Bukele is basically being like, okay, proof of life picture.
Obviously he looks healthy and fine.
Now back in custody.
So I think that's how this is going to play out.
This is sort of Bukele calling their bluff that he's been well taken care of and is healthy.
Sipping margaritas.
Some people say that this might make him look sympathetic.
The Chiefs hat, this guy's got no morals.
He's got no loyalty.
This guy just comes into our country and he thinks he can invade and be part of MS-13 and you live near Baltimore and you're wearing a Chiefs hat.
Do you got also a Patriots jersey from 10 years ago, pal?
Do you have a Lakers jersey from the early 2000s?
And I bet you got a Yankees hat as well.
We'll send them via Federal Express to San Salvador.
He's going to be super heartbroken later this year when the Warriors don't win the NBA title.
This is so offensive to me.
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Well, so the gang information report, I hadn't personally heard this.
I'm not, you know, I wouldn't consider myself an MS-13 expert, but they were actually saying that...
It was known within the gang locally, at least within, I guess it was the western section of the MS-13, that the wearing of different sports teams and sports logos was to denote various symbols within the gang.
So it was like the...
It wasn't that he was wearing the Chicago Bulls hat because he was a fan, but that because he was a bull and he had been given this permission to wear the Bulls hat for some reason.
So I don't know if he was wearing it because he was a fan per se.
But again, this came out with the Attorney General's office put out yesterday that...
Not only was he a member of MS-13 and arrested with other high-ranking members of MS-13, but he had a rank in MS-13.
He had a gang name in MS-13.
And he was well-known to other people in MS-13.
So, yeah, you've got this situation where, you know, the senator goes down there and he doesn't actually represent this guy.
He doesn't at all.
You're not a citizen of the United States.
You've never had legal permission to be in this country.
You are not a constituent of Chris Van Hollen.
But I'm just going to go to show you, look, the Democrats get optics, man.
The Republicans would never do political theater like this.
Republicans don't, you know, we couldn't even get anyone to go to Fort Knox.
When all that was going on and where's the gold and people were asking questions about that, the Democrats understand this.
This is going to be a huge propaganda victory for them.
The story's going to get legs for another week or so.
And they're going to say, look at this, you know, this poor guy.
And, you know, he certainly looks like a, you know, a Maryland dad in this picture.
So right now I'm going to say this is a W for Democrats.
It just is.
It just is.
And it is an L for Americans.
Look at the—throw this tweet up that Naive Bukele posted, 345.
He just retweeted it.
This is Michael Cassidy, obviously, the Satan slayer.
Jack will remember.
He said, imagine if Democrat senators cared about Americans as much as they do.
Yeah, foreign gang members who spent a few years in the U.S. and Naive Bukele retweeted that.
So, I mean, it's clear where his sympathies lie, but— Nevertheless, I think you—I mean, you might be right, Jack.
And by the way, I think we've gotten better at political theater and the optics of it.
But, yeah, I mean— No, I'm not saying what's so funny.
Can I just interject, though?
Let me interject.
What's so funny is that when I spend time around liberals, they think we're way better at political theater than them.
They think we're better at influencing.
They think we're better at social media.
I tend to agree with Jack.
I think they are better at this.
Andrew, I think you can reinforce it.
They think we are way better than we even think we are at these things.
Would you agree with that, Andrew?
Oh, 100%.
I have reporters call me all the time.
They want to do all these features on Turning Point and Charlie and this movement that we've built and the influence.
I got a call this week.
We actually might participate in the story.
It's a fun story.
People have done studies on political movements and they're saying the turning point is the most successful modern example of building a political movement and all this kind of thing.
They think we're amazing at it.
I will tell you.
We are good at that.
I totally agree with you, Charlie.
Here's an idea.
A friend of mine actually just gave this to me.
You have to confirm ambassadors to countries and a lot of other things.
But you can have the president send special envoys.
Special envoys can be appointed without Senate confirmation.
So President Trump, he could appoint anyone as his special envoy to El Salvador for this case and say, you have to go to Bukele and make the case on behalf of the U.S. government for sending him back.
And you could send a Trump supporter, or you could send...
You could send a Democrat.
You could send anyone.
Send someone you actively want to humiliate.
Send them to El Salvador and say, make the case.
And they can go and they can make the sale.
Do it in private.
Put it on live TV.
I don't care.
But then you can make it clear.
We are sending someone to do this.
And then Bukele can respond however he wants because he is, in fact, a foreign president.
He could say, yeah, I'm not going to extradite.
A Salvadoran citizen to a country he's not a citizen of, especially when we think he's a gang member.
He could say, I think that sending this likely MS-13 member to the U.S. would hurt El Salvador's reputation.
It would intensify the gang connections between here and America that have damaged my country so much.
He can come up with any number of possible things.
But that's one idea for how they could resolve this.
I think they have a lot of ideas bouncing around right now.
Can I just do a quick fact check on this guy?
Let's go to the next topic because we do have some time parameters.
Sorry, Andrew, go ahead.
He's a wife beater.
In his wife's own handwriting, she accuses him of beating her up multiple times, bruising her, scratching her, blooding her.
He was pulled over with eight foreign nationals in the car that all claimed his address.
So human trafficking, he said they were going for construction work.
Two different courts said he was an MS-13 gangbanger.
Not exactly an upright citizen.
He lied to immigration court to avoid deportation.
So it defies all logic.
And I thought Patty Morin, Rachel Morin's mom, the angel mom, from the press briefing room at the White House did an amazing job where she just begged the press to tell the truth.
Yeah, obviously Democrats have made some calculation that they think this is the hill to die on, that this is the guy to fight for, and I find it revolting, disgusting.
And scummy, candidly.
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All right, AI Slop.
Blake, walk us through it.
All righty, all righty.
So, AI, apparently AI gets about twice as good every 13 months or something now.
So, it's getting better and better and better.
And you can use it to generate all of this original artwork.
We have two concepts here that we're getting at.
The first thing, we have to get to this week's big AI meme or gimmick or whatever.
But it's making action figures or, like, kind of toys.
Of various people.
So we, of course, have already had one for Trump.
We've had some for Vance.
We've had some for all the political figures.
But nothing says it has to be a person in the Trump White House.
So let's put up 335, guys.
We've made the Charlie Kirk toy.
The prove-me-wrong Charlie.
It took us a few attempts.
Charlie, this is your action figure.
Can we zoom in on that?
I like it.
You know what's the only thing that's missing is my lozenges?
Lozenges? And my bottle of olive oil.
Well, you've got your Starbucks cup that you've got everywhere.
And we've got your hat.
That's true.
And is it America First on the shirt?
Uh-huh.
All right.
I said they should put vote early on the shirt.
It's not too bad.
Maybe that would be like the period piece one.
I mean, the real one, of course, could have like five different shirts and you can realistically change them on the little Charlie figure to make it better.
But we didn't stop there.
Let's put up 334.
We made the Poso one.
We have the Poso doll.
He kind of looks like he's dang rich a little.
We have his accurate phone.
We have...
That's really accurate.
We have his Creed album there.
That's really...
Yeah. On CD, of course.
You look...
The suit is pretty...
You have short little legs, though.
Yeah, it's like he's a little dwarf guy.
Yeah, why am I so...
Why is it like midget Poso?
Yeah, what's up with that?
Wait, go back.
Was Charlie full-size Charlie, or was Charlie stumpy?
I don't think Charlie was...
Yeah, see, you didn't do it to Charlie.
What's up with that?
Charlie looks normal.
Charlie, you guys got to get, like, you need a coffee sponsor, man.
You can't keep repping Starbucks like that.
I know.
I need to get a real coffee partner.
All right, now, what else do we have?
We made a Tyler Bowyer one.
Put up the Tyler one.
So his is not...
The action figure part is breaking down a little bit, but we've got his aviator glasses.
We have his Phoenix Suns jersey that would not actually fit on that figure, but whatever.
And we also have his ASU hat.
Thinking about it now, we should give him that red cowboy hat thing that we had for the, was it the precinct captains during the election?
No, the big red cowboy hat one.
That was great.
Yeah, I know, but it was like the MAGA version of it.
And then, do we have an Andrew one?
Did we finish that?
All right, we have executive producer Andrew.
Oh, there you go.
Got a Dodgers hat.
Is that a Tesla at the bottom?
He's very proud of that Tesla, yeah.
And then I think that's all we made.
I don't think we made any other.
Oh, dude, I can't do that.
I can't do that.
I can't do it.
I can't do it.
Nope. What?
I can't do eating sounds.
I can't do it.
I can't do it.
Oh, it's the Lashens?
No, I can't do it.
I thought you were having a negative reaction to my action figure.
I'll put this aside.
Hold on.
Time out.
Time out, Jack.
I totally get you.
You gotta put that away.
I did.
Okay. You guys keep talking.
You got it.
What is that?
Is that a Guns N' Roses shirt?
Oh, your action figure?
I'm not sure.
What's that on the top right?
I can't tell.
Oh, man.
My stuff is all tiny.
Oh, it's the attachable beard.
Yeah. You can have attachable or detachable beard on my face to reflect what level of unkemptness I am, which probably gets down to what phase of the election cycle that we're in.
Sorry about that.
Charlie, what were you about to say?
Let's go into that.
No, it's fine.
I'm on a super delay.
It's all good.
No, I was just saying how Jack reacted to this lozenge.
is how I reacted secondhand smoking marijuana for two hours yesterday with Bill Maher, of which you will see the fruit on Monday.
And so the only thing is I was not able to act the way Jack just did.
I had to still do a two-hour podcast while secondhand smoking marijuana.
All respect to you, Jack.
I put the lozenge aside, and I will finish it once we are done here.
So totally good.
Charlie's still hot.
Oh, no, no.
It's okay.
I've got my IFB separated, so I don't think I can hear it now.
No, he took it out.
But now I have the greatest answer if they ask if I ever have smoked marijuana.
I'm like, well, kind of.
I kind of have, and I really don't like it.
What was it like?
How did it make you feel?
I've also never used it.
Um, it's not even spacey, but slow.
That's the, again, it was not a firsthand thing, but I'm very in touch with how I feel.
Andrew will tell you that.
If I'm feeling off, if I need something, if I'm hydrated, I mean, I know myself very well, which by the way is very good advice for everyone listening.
Know yourself.
Know when you need sleep, know when you need a nap.
I'm very in touch with myself.
And I remember as Bill Maher is on his like seventh thing, cigarillo or whatever of weed.
I think to myself, I'm not thinking as quickly as I would like.
I remember actually thinking that in my head.
I noticed it too.
I was in another room watching it.
I was literally being hotboxed with Bill Maher.
For the record, hotboxed.
The whole place was baked.
Again, I did fine.
It wasn't like a triumph.
It wasn't a bad thing.
We had a good conversation.
I didn't say anything that I didn't believe.
It wasn't like it made me schizophrenic.
But I know when I'm, like, cooking.
And I know when I'm, like, in the flow.
And I am, I mean, I am so close to Bill Maher that the federal regulations of airlines would not allow seats to be this close together.
Okay? Like, I am, like, in his lap.
Just to give you an idea.
I mean, we are...
We are, like, overlapping one another.
Go ahead, Andrew.
No, I just want to have your back here, man.
Because, like, I don't know how much I should go into, but...
Not yet.
We'll do a Hall's Thoughtcrime on this next week.
I'm just saying, though, that as a little foreshadowing of that, I'm not even saying...
Listen, I'm not even saying that it's an excuse.
The way I look at it, it's like, hey, it's the snowball, but this time it will be called the weed bowl.
Remember Tom Brady?
You know, he had the snow game where he had just...
You just had to win it.
This will be known as the weed bowl, where you just got to sometimes...
Jordan, the flu game.
Jordan, the flu game.
No, I now have the weed moment where I had to calculate in real time.
We're going to do a whole episode on this.
Probably very slowly in real time.
Yeah, exactly.
Do I walk away and then I'll just end with this and we'll do a whole episode of this in the future?
Or do I just suck it up and see what happens?
Okay. Honestly, Charlie.
Every time he kept lighting another one, I just was sitting there going, like, oh my gosh, I can't, like, another one?
And he would just, every 20 minutes...
And he would wave it in front of my face.
He'd say...
Plumes. Plumes.
I know.
He'd say, so it's an interesting point there.
And by the way, he'd have it in his left hand.
So imagine, this is the weed.
So, Charlie, what do you think about that?
So, actually, I was proud, all things being equal, considering I get sensitive with temperature and smells.
In the studio, I'm very temperature, very sensitive.
I don't like cigarettes.
I can't stand cigar smoke.
And I certainly don't like weed.
All that to be said, make sure you tune into the episode when it drops.
Yep, it was something else.
It was something else.
You did great, though.
They say that high IQ individuals, that high IQ tends to correlate with these types of quirks.
So having this issue with smell or having an issue with...
Oh, totally.
Just random sensory things that wouldn't bother the average person.
They also say that it correlates with creativity, actually.
Look, I don't know my exact IQ.
I know it's tested not as young and it's high.
Not as high as Blake's, I'm sure, but...
I also have a very big issue with sound.
Like, if there's, like, background noise, it drives me crazy if I'm trying to focus on something.
Anyway, all that to say, no excuses.
You gotta play hurt.
You gotta play with the flu.
You gotta play with the snow.
You gotta play outdoors.
And sometimes you gotta suck it up and just go through Bill Maher's weed for nothing else.
Nothing less.
It makes a pretty cool story.
Wait, wait, wait.
You don't like background noise?
No, no, no.
Hold on.
I don't like chaotic background noise.
It's very different.
I like if there's a sound machine or if there's something that I have invited that has rhythmic consistency.
Legit. Classical music.
Plain. Great.
Classical music.
But I don't like chaos.
Let me give you a great example.
If I'm eating at a restaurant and someone is nearby and they have a conversation of which they're talking about something and their opinion is stupid.
That is incredibly distracting.
If they're next to me and they're like, that Trump guy is trying to renegotiate the trade deals.
I'm actually listening more to the conversation behind me than I am to the person in front of me.
Very hard.
Very hard to turn off.
You don't want my brain.
And you don't want my brain on weed.
I'm telling you right now.
You don't want either of those things.
What about just in general?
What if you're in a movie and someone's talking the whole time?
Oh, no, no, no.
That should be El Salvadorian exportation.
We should have a conversation about that.
Yes. I'm kidding.
I'm kidding.
Wait, we have to play one more video here, guys.
And then we got to run.
All right.
So this is the AI Baron Trump singing at American Idol.
This is our AI slap.
So the action figures were all lead up into this, Charlie.
337. What?
This has millions of views on like YouTube and TikTok.
*laughing*
Do people believe this is real?
Yes. Yes.
Millions of people.
Yes. Mindlessly.
The lips aren't even legit.
There's a whole genre piece.
Like, Barron, there's America's Got Talent.
This is actually a good song, though.
This song is awful.
This is a lot better than the Beyoncé country music album.
If anyone ever plays country music voluntarily, I leave.
Actually, my family and I left a restaurant recently because they were playing country music.
I said, I'm not going to pay.
This is ridiculous.
So we love it.
Like, I...
By the end, the lips don't even line up with the audio.
But the sad truth is it doesn't matter.
If you go on Facebook, it's a wasteland of this.
There are entire pages that are just AI-generated stories, AI-generated videos, AI-generated audio.
And you'll get hundreds, thousands, you know, with like the, you know, the prayer emoji and some hearts and oh my God, God bless our president and all of that.
I'm just going to say this.
I'm just going to say this.
Like, I love my dad.
My dad's my hero.
But I've noticed with like him and his friends, like they, he'll run it by me, but he'll be like, is this real?
Is this real?
For like all this kind of stuff.
And it's like.
It's kind of funny because it's like, for those of us who sort of grew up on the internet or, you know, got introduced to it, whatever, that we kind of have this general disassociation with the, like, knowing what something's real and something's not,
or, you know, meme culture, you know, you know it's not real.
But for certain types of people, you know, they're just so used to, like, I see it, therefore I believe it.
And there's never that extra step of like, oh, I don't think that's real.
And unfortunately, the way the algorithms work now, yes, my action figure is 100% real, by the way, made not in America, but also not in China.
They are 100% made in El Salvador, actually at the prison itself by the prisoners.
It is, in fact, their punishment to have to make Jack Posobiec action figures for a certain subset.
And, of course, we're going to be working on Charlie Kirk.
Funny enough.
A lot of the older women really want the Blake Neff action figure.
I don't understand why.
We should sell these.
We should totally sell these.
It'll be like a sell-off.
Bukele just retweeted me, so I'm going to hit him up.
I'm going to see if we can get a little product line going.
Yeah, let's give him the URL to these.
The Charlie Kirk with the arms out is pretty good.
Charlie's impressive because the way the arms are angled, I kind of think that one's probably got more of those points of movement.
It's one of those advanced action figures where you can bend the wrists and the elbows and you've got a full ball and socket joint in the shoulders.
You could get some real action poses with Charlie as he saves America.
Whereas Jack and I, it's probably just like you can move the arm up like this to wave to people or something.
Yeah, we're like the old Star Wars action figures where you could just move the arms up and down.
And that's about it.
Yeah. The team literally wouldn't show me mine before the show.
And I was like, why are you not showing me mine?
I guess they're really proud of this one.
I do have denim shirts.
I don't have that Tesla.
Yeah, it's not the right model of Tesla.
But, you know, it's hard.
It's not the right model.
That Tesla, he says.
I don't have that one.
I haven't.
Yeah, it's not the right one.
But that's funny.
Yeah. Okay.
I mean, it looks a lot like...
All right, gang.
I gotta run.
All right, Jack, I'm going to put this lozenge back in my mouth.
And with that, I'll say this lozenge will not make me feel like I felt yesterday.
Don't do weed.
And definitely don't do weed if you have a two-hour podcast of high consequence with a comedian who doesn't believe in God and is a liberal.
However, with that being said, keep committing thought crimes.
