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The Modern Left Fights For Foreign Gangbangers Instead of American Citizens
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Hey, everybody.
Charlie Kirk here, live from the Bitcoin.com studio.
Today on the Charlie Kirk Show, the broken moral compass of the left fighting for foreign gangbangers and not American citizens.
And then a really important conversation.
very important, about the ancient roots of Christianity.
This conversation we have with Dr. Ken Calvert from Hillsdale College.
Go to charlieforhillsdale.com.
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You could take their online courses there.
It's drkennethcalvert.com.
Did Easter just come from a pagan holiday?
Are there pagan roots to our faith?
He addresses all of that and more.
Christians even use the term Easter?
Very informative conversation.
Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
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And so praying for all of you that are observing this Holy Week, we need to keep our eyes on the divine now more than ever.
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The Moral Confusion of the Left is one of great...
The first person who taught me this is the legendary Dennis Prager.
He noticed it, let me put it that way.
Something that Dennis Prager would mention time and time again is how the Democrat Party would emphasize a tyrannical approach to things that do not matter and would ignore things that obviously do matter.
The Democrat Party will fight like none other to make sure that boys can go in female locker rooms.
The Democrat Party will go into the courtroom.
In fact, they will fly to foreign countries to fight for foreign gang members.
But for American citizens or for girls in locker rooms that want privacy, they're viewed as kind of an annoyance.
Like, why are you so outspoken?
What's the matter with you?
Why do you...
What do you want, rights?
You want attention?
This was on full display yesterday where you had the tale of two political parties.
One political party decided to go fly to El Salvador and get on their metaphorical hands and knees and beg for an illegal alien to be returned to the United States of America.
He's not a U.S. citizen.
In fact, I recently sat down with a prominent liberal who said, well, you know, this was a U.S. citizen.
No, he was not.
This is not a U.S. citizen.
This was an illegal alien who is awaiting deportation.
An illegal.
Also a wife abuser, just so we are clear.
Mr. Garcia.
So on one side, you have the Democrat Party that is acting as if this was just a random person scooped up off the side of the street and teleported down to El Salvador.
But that is what gets the Democrat Party so...
Fired up.
They will refuse to protect female sports.
The moral confusion left is one that we've all called anarcho-tyranny.
They want anarchy in the streets, but tyranny against political parties that they do not like.
The Democrat Party is now a party of 80-20 issues, which is why their approval rating is 21%, because they are on the 20% of all the issues.
Men and girls sports, illegals over Americans.
They're for deficit spending.
They're for an open border.
They're firebombing Teslas.
The Democrat Party right now, as fairly as I can make it, is to get MS-13 gang members out of prison and get biological boys into girls' locker rooms.
And yesterday, it broke the internet where the mother, the mother of Rachel Morin, showed up to the press briefing room.
The mother of Rachel Morin.
It was chills.
It was a surprise press conference, and it was a phenomenal contrast to the foreign-appeasing, terrorist-sympathizing Democrat Party.
It was an amazing spectacle what the White House put on display.
Here is one clip.
Harrison Fields...
Reports on what a USA Today reporter came up and told him.
Now, there was a lot of controversy around it.
I want to get to that, actually, secondly.
Let's begin with Cut 270.
Please tell the truth.
Exactly. Tell the truth.
Tell, like, how violent it really is.
This is about protecting our children.
It's more than just politics or votes.
Or just anything.
It's about national security, protecting Americans, protecting our children.
Thank you.
Thank you for listening.
Now that was her off the podium.
Very raw and emotional stuff.
I think her name is Patty Morin, if I'm not mistaken.
Patty. I actually got a chance to meet her at AmericaFest.
Very decent, wonderful woman.
We flew her out to AmericaFest to speak to our students about her daughter.
Who was murdered by an illegal alien, a mother of five, who never should have been in the interior of the United States.
Never should have been in the interior of the United States.
And they brought her right up to the press briefing room, the Trump White House team.
And she told the story.
And of course, they are trying their best to ignore it.
They would rather fly to El Salvador and get into the weeds to fight for yet another gangbanger.
And breaking news yesterday, guess what?
That Maryland father, Mr. Garcia, that Maryland father, turns out, more and more evidence shows that he was part of MS-13.
Let's play cut 263.
The Democrats and the media in this room have continually and wrongly labeled Kilmar Abrego Garcia as a Maryland father.
There is no Maryland father.
Let me reiterate, Kilmar Abrego Garcia is an illegal alien, MS-13 gang member and foreign terrorist who was deported back to his home country.
Back to his home country.
Raised in El Salvador, from El Salvador.
And as a gang member, the moral confusion of the Democrat Party might be one of the great threats to the American homeland.
I mean that.
When you have a political party that will go make entire a spectacle, a political opportunity out of a foreign gang member.
Look, in the end, the immigration battle was always going to have a case like this.
The Democrats need symbols.
They need names.
They need George Floyd.
They need Michael Brown.
They were going to grab some deported person and cling on to them.
I just thought they were going to wait and hold their fire for someone that wasn't a gang member.
We need to have rock solid consistency.
People who came here illegally need to go back, period.
Just so happens they've decided to go all in for a wife-beating MS-13 gang.
Affiliated, kind of scum-of-the-earth guy, not a Maryland father.
And Americans agree.
When polled, Americans agree.
Here is Dartmouth's own Harry Enten, play cut 280.
Deport all undocumented immigrants.
Voters favoring the government trying to deport all 11 million of them.
Back in 2016, just 38% of voters wanted the government to try to deport.
All 11 million undocumented immigrants.
Compared to where we are in 2025, 56%, the majority, the American people have come a long way on this issue, much closer to Donald Trump.
And I think that's a big part of the reason why Americans are increasingly saying the country is on the right track when it comes to immigration policy and why Donald Trump's net approval rating on that issue is in the positive.
56% of Americans support what President Trump is doing with immigration.
We need to deport more people.
The numbers are looking good, but we got to get them up even more.
Doesn't matter what these judges say.
We're going to fight through all of it.
We are going to fight for the American people, what they voted for, not foreign MS-13 gang members.
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The escalating violence of the American left, it's really something.
There is a new Substack page, and Blake flagged this for us, so Blake is going to help us navigate it.
And it is consistent with what else we're seeing.
The amount of death threats we are getting is increasing dramatically.
Campus security is overwhelmed when we go to some of these schools.
They're like, man, the amount of death threats we're getting?
It's almost too much for police to be able to even arrest all these people.
There's an Econ student at George Mason University.
Has over 1,000 subscribers.
So he's small, but he's not a nobody.
And he writes in his sub stack, when must we kill them?
This is an Econ student at George Mason.
Do you think he's going to be kicked out of school?
There was just another arrest of someone who was threatening to murder Tulsi and her family.
There's been multiple Trump assassins.
Someone said they were going to murder me last week.
It's part of the game.
If you are in the arena, if you are Teddy Roosevelt man in the arena, they're going to try to murder you and anybody near you.
It's part of the entire game.
So you just have to have security.
You've got to have weapons.
You've got to know what you're doing to defend yourself.
It is part of...
The new era that we are in.
But CNN says that it's...
I gotta replay that CNN.
Can we replay that CNN tape?
Of all the things that animate me, of the great libels, I have to say this short clip from CNN might be one of the great lies, one of the great falsehoods, one of the great sick, twisted narratives that I have seen aired out of all the nonsense from Russia hoax to...
Six feet to slow the spread.
For CNN to say that there is no left-wing equivalent of political violence is one of the most repulsive things that I've seen.
Anyway, so this clip here, this post by the econ student at George Mason, Nicholas Decker, he says, the ultimate source of political power is and always will be violence.
If the present administration should continue on its course, there is no choice but war.
I say this out of sorrow.
When must we kill them?
Now, mind you, I remember when somebody showed up to my event in Idaho about four years ago asking the question, Charlie, when do we use the guns?
Obviously some sort of provocateur or fed or maybe just some sort of twisted person from Idaho.
And I denounced it and it was national news.
Oh my goodness, look at this.
And now here's an econ student writing in a substack and where is the left and the liberal media?
Complete and total silence.
Nothing. In addition to all of this, we see the firebombing of all of these Teslas.
Donald Trump got shot last year, and now they're saying, when must we kill them?
There is no dealing with the Democrats, everybody.
They want us dead, period.
Deep down, they are hoping and wishing for the death of the Republican Party, of Donald Trump, and for all of us.
They seek our demise.
They seek our annihilation.
They seek our elimination.
It's what they want.
They don't believe in dialogue or discourse.
And we have another video that I'll show you.
At Boise State University, a 70-year-old Christian activist from Boise walked up to the microphone and said, Charlie, I'm done talking.
I want to fight you right here and now.
And I want to punch you in the face.
He literally is saying this.
He said, if we're done talking, we must start fighting MAGA.
They know they can't win on policies.
They believe in men and female sports.
They can't win on immigration.
They don't believe in deportations.
These are deranged lunatics that have infected the American political system.
When must we kill them?
That's what this sub stack is coming to.
By the way, you have elements of black America that are lifting up Carmelo Anthony, the murderous thug who stabbed Austin Metcalfe to death.
They're making t-shirts with Carmelo's face on it.
They are acting as if Carmelo is this wonderful person.
It's a real thing.
The twin, Carmelo Anthony, stabbed them to death.
Here is 189, a very short version of this CNN clip, Playcut 189.
While America's roots are soaked in bloodshed, violence in the country today is mostly from right-wing extremism.
From Oklahoma City to Charlottesville to January 6th New York, come now!
Replace us!
There is simply no equivalent on the left.
I mean, first of all, Oklahoma City was in the 1990s.
Charlottesville resulted in one person dead, and that was back in 2017.
Not a mention of the summer of love, the race hate, not a single mention of the spike in crime, vandalism, arson, murder, the increase in violence rates.
I mean, just...
There's so much wrong with that.
The attempted murder of Brett Kavanaugh.
This is what the media has come to.
This is an econ student at George Mason University.
When must we kill them?
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Joining us now is Dr. Ken Calvert, professor of history at Hillsdale College.
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Dr. Calvert, great to see you.
So, doctor, let me start with something where some people on social media are...
Getting a little cute.
They say there's no Christian roots to celebrating Easter.
Easter is a pagan holiday.
We should never use the term Easter.
What is the truth, Dr. Calvert?
Well, I think that to a certain extent they're right about the word Easter because that is only used in the English-speaking world.
And in the English-speaking world, it came into use probably sometime in the Middle Ages.
Nobody's quite sure.
There was an ancient Christian historian, the Venerable Bede, out of northern England who talked about this goddess Easter that some people worshipped but had no connection with Christian Passover, Christian celebration of the death and resurrection of Jesus.
And really it shows up first in print in, of all places, William Tyndale's Bible when he's talking about this celebration.
And from then on, it's connected to the celebration.
But in the rest of the world, the celebration of the death and resurrection of Jesus is referred to in its original Greek and Hebrew, the Pascha, which is related to the Passover.
To this idea of sacrificing a lamb and the blood of the lamb at Egypt with the passing over of the Hebrews into freedom from slavery in Egypt.
And the last of the great plagues of the ten plagues of the firstborn.
The use of the blood of the lamb.
And the establishment by God of the Passover feast, which was celebrated by the Hebrews, never a pagan feast, never a pagan activity, up until the present day.
And the Christians, of course, celebrate Passover.
In a similar way as an extension of our Jewish roots, because of course Jesus was Jewish and the New Testament is the fulfillment of all of the prophecies, all of the looking ahead by the Jews,
by the Hebrews, the coming of the Messiah, the fulfillment of the covenants.
And what you have here in Passover and in what Christians do every Easter, and unfortunately we still use that word, Is celebrate that feast, the Passover feast,
as it's fulfilled in Jesus Christ.
So this is not a pagan activity at all.
One of the misconceptions, actually, that comes out of this is the Council of Nicaea in 325, where people claim that Constantine took a pagan feast and made it Christian.
They also claim this about Christmas.
What's really befuddling as a historian, Charlie, is that this never happened.
It never happened.
It's attributed to Constantine.
And the Council of Nicaea, now the Council of Nicaea did discuss the proper date for the celebration of the death and resurrection of Jesus, but it had nothing to do with paganism.
And so, you know, as you often point out, actually, in your debates with students on university campuses, there are very shallow...
levels of understanding of history and of ideas that really do not come out of any profound understanding of the actual facts.
That is really well said.
And so, Dr. Calvert, I want you to explain a little bit more about how the early church seeked to redeem pagan terms or festivals.
Pointing people towards Christ.
Everything from even wedding rings to Christmas.
Talk about how they are not pagan in origin or nature, but at times there might be terms used, but the Spirit was all about redemption to get people that were so attached to their pagan traditions and bring them into Christianity.
If I get that right, please keep going or correct me if I'm mistaken there.
Please, Dr. Calvert.
Yeah, I think it's very complicated because remember that the Christians and the Jews were not part of the pagan world.
And so there was a definite desire to stay separate from paganism.
And so when we look at the celebration of Christmas, for instance, and the celebration on the 25th of December, That was done 200 years really before Constantine.
And the idea that somehow this was taking over the celebration of Sol Invictus, a pagan divinity, that's just not true.
That's not what the Christians were doing.
And so there's a lot of misunderstanding, and much of that came actually out of the 1700s and 1800s AD, scholars trying to connect Christianity back to ancient paganism.
Now, when the Christians do adopt some aspects of their culture, such as the use of wedding rings or the use of other aspects of the culture, it's not what you would call a full-blown adoption of pagan activities.
Remember that these people were...
Persecuted by the pagans and not particularly wanting to take on the worship in some way or even the hint of worship of pagan gods, of pagan divinity.
Looking at this historically, one has to be very careful about that.
Now, along the way, did Christians build churches on top of old pagan sites in order to Christianize them?
Yes, they did.
But it was a Christian message that they were making and not the pagan message.
Did they sometimes use the old pagan temples as Christian churches?
And you do find this every once in a while, that they will adopt those structures and make them.
Christian, like the Pantheon in the city of Rome.
But when we talk about the fusing of pagan and Christian activities, you might find some of that at the local level.
Among Christians who are maybe confused about the transition that they have just made from paganism, you might have some confusion there.
But really on the whole when you talk about what Christian leaders are teaching, what they're really trying to get across to their people, is this idea that we are, as Christians, very much separate from the pagan world.
I would argue that a lot of the confusion in the modern world about, for instance, Constantine or the use of pagan ideas or sites or pagan divinities within Christian practice,
that that is actually more modern confusion than it is the actual practice of what's going on in the ancient world among ancient Christians.
About a couple minutes remaining here, Dr. Calvert, so you are a phenomenal professor.
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If you had to isolate amongst your Christian students, those that...
are schooled in the Bible, that have a good understanding of the canon.
What are one or two corrections around this topic of ancient Christianity that you feel you really have to zero in on, things that people come in believing that, quite honestly, do not have any historicity to it,
that do not have any foundation to it, of well-meaning Bible students at Hillsdale that sometimes you have to correct and clarify?
Yeah, I think that a couple of things.
Number one, that Christianity did not appear out of nowhere on its own.
That it's rooted in the Old Testament.
It's rooted in first century Judaism.
That Jesus is a part of that Jewish world.
And this is a very, very important point that I think sometimes we miss.
If you don't read the Gospels, for instance, In the thick of the Greek and Roman history, in the thick of the Jewish history, you really miss a lot of what Jesus is saying.
And so that, I think, is very, very important.
In fact, the fact that he is attacked really from day one, Herod goes after him because the Magi have called Jesus the King of the Jews, and Herod was named King of the Jews by the Roman Senate.
So you have to understand.
Some of that context and why people are doing that.
The other thing related to the celebration of the Passover and to Easter is that every year, of course, the Jews celebrated the Passover.
And for us...
This is like celebrating our 4th of July.
And say we're celebrating 4th of July and we're ruled by a foreign power.
That's what Passover is about.
That the Romans are ruling.
A pagan foreign power is ruling over Jerusalem, over Judea at that time.
And when Jesus rides into Jerusalem on that donkey, he's saying...
In relation to a prophecy from Malachi, he's saying, I am the Messiah.
I'm the guy.
I have arrived.
And this gets the leadership of Rome, excuse me, of Jerusalem very upset because the potential for warfare, the potential for bloodshed, all of this arrives with Jesus in Jerusalem.
This is why they want to get rid of him.
And the very fact that he is crucified, that's how they get rid of traitors and rebels.
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So I want to broaden this discussion for a second, Dr. Calvert.
Can you explain the uniqueness of Jesus, of his movement, and what his followers accomplished?
Something that some people will say is, oh, there were plenty of other religions or cults in the Mediterranean, the Middle East that believed in a virgin birth or rise from the dead.
What made Jesus of Nazareth different, unique, and the impact?
I could go on for an hour, Charlie.
There's so much there.
He is unique.
And I think that when we talk about...
Jesus as the Messiah, for instance.
In the first century BC, there was a huge expectation within Jewish groups for the coming of a Messiah.
And the question then, looking at the old prophecies, what is this Messiah going to look like?
You know, Isaiah...
It mentions that the virgin will give birth and his name will be Emmanuel or God with us.
And so the question is, is this Messiah going to be God himself?
There are questions about whether or not he'll be an angelic Messiah.
There's a book of Tobit.
The Jewish community used to use, and it's all about an incarnate angel.
There are questions also, and I think this is most powerful for the time of Jesus.
There's questions of whether he's going to be a military leader, and he's going to raise up in rebellion against the Romans.
The Essenes who produced the Dead Sea Scrolls were among those who believed that...
That the Messiah would be a military leader and they were going to be basically the shock troops for this Messiah.
And so Jesus is in the thick of this and he addresses so much of these questions about what the Messiah...
Is who the Messiah is going to be?
And he gives some really good counsel and directions, of course, to his disciples that he is not going to pick up the sword and he's not going to be this bloody military Messiah, but rather he is the Messiah that atones for the sins of the people,
which was also a part of all of that Old Testament prophecy.
That he is indeed God incarnate, atoning for the sins of these people.
So he's answering the question of how to deal with sin, with personal sin.
And then, of course, in the resurrection, that this is the Messiah that is going to conquer death, that he conquers death itself.
Now, one moment I love in Scripture is in the book of Acts when Gamaliel...
This Pharisee, this leader of the Pharisees, stands up before the Sanhedrin.
This is in the book of Acts.
And he basically says, if this is the real thing, if he's the real Messiah, we need to be careful.
If he's not the real thing, if he's not the real Messiah, and he mentions, you know, we've seen this before, there have been other Messiahs, and it always ends up in a bloody mess, right?
And that's what they're afraid of, that this is going to end up in a war.
He says, if this is...
One of those kinds of messiahs, it'll go away and it will all end.
But if he is truly the real messiah, the true messiah, if this is of God, we need to be careful.
And I think that that moment in the book of Acts says so much about...
Who Jesus is and his peculiar, his uniqueness as Messiah.
Now, when we talk about virgin birth and these other things, you know, there are references to Egypt and the Isis and Osiris mythology and other things.
There is nothing like the virgin birth and what happens in...
In the Gospels.
And you look in the Gospel of Luke and the story about Mary and receiving the announcement from the angel Gabriel and she gives her free will assent to the idea that God wants to become present on earth through her.
I mean, what a remarkable idea.
Beautiful idea.
There's nothing like that in the ancient world.
That is a unique message.
Dr. Calvert, wonderful, wonderful job.
Thank you.
He has risen this Holy Week.
Everyone can take heart.
He has risen indeed.
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Dr. Calvert, thank you so much.
God bless and have a wonderful, let's just say resurrection celebration.
We won't use the term Easter.
Have a wonderful Sunday celebration of our Lord being risen.
Thank you.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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