Maine Wants Men in Women's Sports, No Matter The Cost
Trump said he would defund any schools that keep letting men humiliate women on the field or menace them in locker rooms. Now, he’s proving he wasn’t kidding. Charlie and Riley Gaines unpack the saga unfolding in Maine. Then, Sean Davis reacts to Marco Rubio shutting down the State Department's censorship apparatus and a stunning NYT article admitting the ADHD pill-pushing epidemic has ruined a generation of boys. Become a member at members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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But truthfully, I'm frustrated.
I'm frustrated that we have to be here, that we as women have to stand before you all on national television demanding equal opportunities, demanding privacy in areas of undressing, demanding safety in our sports.
Amazing to me that we are still here fighting this fight.
It is shocking.
Riley Gaines joins us, TPUSA contributor, former University of Kentucky swimmer.
And women's sports advocate and, honestly, women's rights advocate.
Riley, great to see you.
Riley, I completely agree.
It's a sad state of affairs that we have to continue to fight on this.
I thought smart Democrats like Gavin Newsom were saying that we have to basically give up on this issue.
That was from a press conference you had at the Department of Justice this morning with Pam Bondi.
Catch our audience up to speed at exactly what that press conference was about.
Absolutely. Well, always a joy to be on with you, Charlie.
Look, of course, President Donald Trump signed an executive order back in February barring all men from participating in women's sports within any educational program that receives federal funding.
But what we have seen following this is some states have issued notices that they're unwilling to comply.
But there was this encounter between Governor Mills and Donald Trump.
At the White House where she, in this, I think what she thought was this mic drop moment, pushed back on this and said, look, we'll see you in court.
We're not going to comply with this.
And she has certainly gotten her wish because now, after many efforts to make Maine comply, which again they just were unwilling to do, the Department of Justice is now pursuing litigation and is suing the state of Maine and removing federal
funding. So quite the hill to die on.
Again, putting all of your constituents, the entire state of Maine, at jeopardy here because you want men to that badly participate in women's sports.
So, Maine continues to fight on this.
And all of these other states are digging in.
Is that right?
They are doubling and tripling down on the idea that men should be able to steal trophies and medals from women.
Is that correct?
Doubling, tripling, quadrupling down on this.
If you would have asked me on November 5th if this was the route the Democratic Party would be going, I would tell you absolutely not.
I mean, this wasn't an issue, if you can remember, that Kamala Harris wanted to campaign on.
I mean, she didn't touch the trans issue virtually at all when she was campaigning.
So that was a good indication to me that the Democratic Party as a whole was going to slowly recant from their positions, distance themselves from their voting records.
But again, that's just not at all what they've done, which...
We know how the majority of American people feel.
The stat is out there, 80-20 issue.
But even amongst the majority of the Democratic Party, their own party does not agree with this.
So what Governor Mills is doing, I mean, I think she thinks it's this big middle finger to Donald Trump.
But it's a big middle finger to Mainers.
It's a big middle finger to young girls with dreams.
Dreams who succeed in their sports and beyond.
So I was at Boise State University yesterday.
I mean, Riley, you've been to many of our Turning Point USA gatherings and events.
There was a fair amount of trans activists there that say, Charlie, but what do you care?
Why do you, Charlie, care if a trans woman wants to win a medal?
It's a good thing.
It is progress.
Additionally, I would even have some of these trans zealots, and it really is an issue where they are blinded with zealotry, saying, Charlie, there's nothing wrong with sharing a locker room with a trans woman.
Again, can you just remind the audience the graphic nature of what occurs here, the violation of private spaces?
I hope everyone in the audience can understand and grasp that with this trans movement, your daughters have to undress next to naked men.
It's happening at Deerfield High School.
It's happening in Wisconsin.
It's happening all across the country.
We just recently had a mom from Deerfield, Illinois, where her daughter...
I'm sure you're aware of this story, Riley, had to undress next to a biological man naked while he touched himself in his genitalia, pleasing himself.
She decided to say, I'm not comfortable to do that, and the administration forced them to under penalty and punishment, and nothing has actually changed.
Riley. Sick.
Yeah, these three female administrators in Deerfield, Illinois, stood outside the door.
I mean, basically barricaded these young girls in.
What a sick message to be sending to young girls, basically to let your guard down, be vulnerable, get naked, and shut up.
Don't talk about it.
It's happening, Charlie, all over the country.
Like you said, there was a girl who spoke at the press conference with Pam Bondi today from the state of Maine who said at the age of 13 years old, that's where she first encountered this issue, and it was in the locker room.
A boy undressing next to her at 13 years old.
I mean, I can personally testify to the feelings of just...
Utter violation, the feelings of betrayal, again, when you're in this intimate area of undressing, which locker rooms in general aren't necessarily a comfortable space, but I'll say growing up a swimmer, you almost become comfortable being vulnerable in that environment.
That vulnerability is stripped from you.
When you turn around and you see a 6'4", 22-year-old man fully naked, fully intact, fully exposing himself inches away from where you were simultaneously unclothed.
I can tell you how my dad felt about this, Charlie.
He was not too enthused.
You can picture it now.
My dad, a former NFL player, a very big guy, he wanted to come down there and handle it himself.
Being married at a young age.
My husband doesn't like the idea of me exposing myself to a man, a man exposing himself to me.
I mean, that's, of course, we see the problems as it pertains to our rights to privacy.
But to me, that violates the matrimony of marriage to have a man watching you undress in that way.
So it's a total violation.
It's a total violation is what it was.
But again, women are really starting to wake up to this, I believe.
But the issue is politicians, is corrupt politicians.
Explain to the audience, Riley, is it that they're held captive by the trans lobby?
Is it that they're afraid that there's going to be a resistance?
This is a hyper-minoritarian portion of American society, very, very small, that they pander to.
Why? Why is that?
I think a couple things.
I think, number one, fear.
I think what people have learned over these past few years, the past five, six years or so, is that there is nothing that will oust you.
As much as opposing the gender ideology movement has done.
I mean, look at people like Congressman Seth Moulton, right?
He initially, prior to the vote on H.R. 28 in the House, the Protection of Women and Girls in Sports Act this year, he said, look, I've got a daughter.
You know, I don't want a man on the field or on the court with her.
And then when it came time to vote on this bill, he of course voted on party lines, voted in favor of putting boys in his daughter's sports.
So I think fear is a big part of it, being called names like transphobe, homophobic, they'll call you racist, a white supremacist for this stance, things that don't even make sense at all, which again is merely just name-calling.
That's what we do in like second grade.
And I think it would force them, if they changed their stance now, it would force them to admit that they knew this was a farce from its inception.
Again, what's been proven is they're just not willing to do that.
They have proven that this is a hill they are willing to die on, which doesn't make sense, again, to the majority of American people.
This issue has been painted.
It's even more than a majority, Riley.
It's 90-10.
I mean, you can't get Americans to agree on 90% on anything.
No, easily.
But that's not how the media represents it.
And, of course, that's not how it's...
Represented in terms of elected representation at the local, state, and federal level.
This is something unanimously across the board they have voted on party lines on.
Again, doesn't make sense.
It's a unifying issue, even amongst the Democratic Party.
I mean, I think this is a large part in why we see the Democratic Party's favorability rating as low as it is.
I mean, a couple weeks ago it was 27%.
I thought to myself, no way.
It gets lower than 27%.
Well, guess what?
It did the next week.
It was 26%.
Again, I thought to myself, no way it gets lower.
The only person who has a lower favorability rating than 26% is probably Putin.
Of course, it did get lower.
It got to 21%.
Now, even the people amongst the Democratic Party who view the party in a positive light is 7%.
7% of Democrats agree, and I think this is a large part of it, and I think we saw that in the election.
Of course, I believe people turned out to the polls to embrace Donald Trump, to embrace his cabinet picks, to embrace the America First agenda.
More so, I believe, that people turned out to the polls to reject absurdity, and that is what the Democratic Party has become across the board, whether it's men and women's sports, whether it's tampons in boys' bathrooms, whether it's referring to Latino individuals as Latinx, it's absurd.
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Let's play Cut 216.
Riley referenced this clip.
Is Maine here, the governor of Maine?
Are you not going to comply with it?
I'm complying with state and federal law.
Well, we are the federal law.
Well, you better do it.
You better do it because you're not going to get any federal funding at all if you don't.
And by the way, your population, even though it's somewhat liberal, although I did very well there, your population doesn't want men playing in women's sports.
What they have done with this, again, I hope we can get rid of this issue.
But Riley, being at Boise State University, I had...
Probably 70 female athletes come up to me asking for pictures.
And under traditional rules, they might have been to the liberal.
I don't know how they stand on immigration.
I don't even know how they stand on abortion.
But they say they've become one-issue voters.
These Boise State volleyball players, because I think they're part of that whole San Jose State Mountain West Conference thing, right?
They say we are single-issue voters.
And it's a losing issue for the Democrat Party.
But please, riff more on that tape that we just saw.
Well, that is like the most Trump encounter ever.
I love how he says, look...
We are the federal law.
I am the federal law.
So when you say you're going to comply and you're actively not doing it, again, that federal law in this case being Title IX, which was very clear as it was originally written.
No one knew, 52, coming up on 53 years later, we would have to define that word sex.
But unfortunately, what we've seen are both elected and unelected bureaucrats go through the back door and reinterpret this word to mean what they want it to mean.
But even after this clip, the clip ends here.
Based on what you show.
But after this, that's when she has her see you in court moment.
He says, yeah, you will.
And then he goes on to say, enjoy your life, Governor, in this position because you won't have an elected position after this, I imagine.
So just a very Trump interaction overall, which I think is great.
That's what the American people voted for.
We voted for transparency.
We voted for accountability.
And that's what we saw today, again, with Attorney General Pam Bondi and the Department of Justice ultimately suing Maine.
That's the accountability that's back in the White House that people across the board, across the nation, have been desperate for.
So the other element here is, at its core, we have to speak biological truth.
At Boise State University yesterday, we had a bunch of donors to the school, and they were shocked.
They told me afterwards that they're reconsidering giving money to Boise State because one person after another, I said, what is a woman?
They couldn't answer that question.
I'm talking about like 20 kids that I brought up.
And these Boise State donors are like, I'm giving money to this?
I'm like, yeah, you should stop giving money to your alma mater.
But look, Boise State, they hosted us.
They were really nice.
But why should you subsidize this Marxism?
Fundamentally, talk about the transgender issue more broadly, Riley.
This all stems from us appeasing a mental delusion, trying to accommodate a psychological condition, which then, of course, invades female privacy, female sports, so on and so forth.
Riley. Well, yeah.
I mean, as you said, this is the most basic of truths, man and woman.
It's the sheer essence of humanity, a truth we have never struggled to understand in the nearly 250 years we've been established as a country, and certainly much longer than that.
Hate to break it to every single person listening to this, you are all here from man and woman, and that is what we're being asked to deny.
Understand if we as a society will deny that, again, the most basic of truths, then I think the scarier thing here is there are no limits, right?
We should be asking ourselves what's next if we are willing to deny sex, okay?
Are we willing to deny age?
Which I personally believe this is the direction that's going.
I believe the gender ideology movement as a whole really is an attempt to normalize pedophilia across the board.
And I think that's what we're seeing with this movement.
So yeah, and to your point about Boise State and the volleyball girls specifically, they forfeited Charlie against San Jose State University.
Again, a university that allowed a male.
Onto their women's volleyball team, taking a scholarship, a roster spot, a travel spot from a hard-working, deserving woman.
Boise State forfeited in their Mountain West Conference Championship, which is outside of the NCAA Championship, the pinnacle of their sport, they prematurely ended their season.
Knowing if they forfeited, they would accept a loss.
It would end their season.
They wouldn't be able to advance to the next step.
But those girls did that because they said, we understand some things matter more than victory.
Of course, in this case, our safety being one of them, the integrity of sports being another and biological reality.
The truth matters more than any victory we could ever get on that volleyball court.
So incredibly commendable.
That is courage that truthfully I didn't have when I was faced with this issue.
And granted, of course, I believe everything happens for a reason and for God's sovereign purposes.
But that courage, it takes a lot to be able to do that, sacrificing everything that they did to compete at the highest level.
That explains why there were so many there.
I mean, thank you for connecting those dots.
I was like, this is an unusual amount of...
Athletes, and because they're tired of men, pervert men, stealing their trophies, stealing their medals, and coming into their locker room.
Riley, thanks so much.
Talk to you soon.
Appreciate you, Charlie.
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Joining us now is Sean Davis, CEO and co-founder of The Federalist.
Sean, welcome to the program.
For years, I have been remarking that we are over-prescribing ADHD medication, that Adderall has been given out like Skittles to kids, and that we are giving not just antidepressants, but anti-ADHD drugs to young boys unnecessarily.
I would have been one of those kids.
I was hyperactive, hard to focus.
Things worked out okay for me, thankfully not having these psychoactive drugs.
A new report now confirms what we've been saying the entire time, and we were previously called conspiracy theorists.
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Scientists, doctors give kids ADHD drugs for adults' convenience.
Everybody, let me listen to you very carefully.
Maybe you have a case where a kid needs an ADHD drug, but if you have a young boy where a doctor is trying to push it, Yeah, it was remarkable, especially considering the fact that it was the New York Times that came out with this wide-ranging discussion with doctors and educators and parents about how this basically 30-year experiment in drugging little boys into compliance
didn't work.
There's this crazy statistic in there that I think of 17-year-olds today.
Something like 23% of them were either on or supposed to be on Ritalin or Adderall, an ADHD drug.
And what they found when actually going back and looking at the data...
Is that the drugs seem to have a short-term effect for behavior, made people calm down or be compliant for a little bit.
That wore off after a year or two.
But when you looked at actual cognitive scores, when you look to see, hey, did these kids do better in school?
Did they learn more?
Were they smarter?
As a result of being put on this drug, the resounding answer was no.
And even more disturbing when they went back and looked at the history.
They can't even find a single biological, physical marker that somebody has ADHD or doesn't have ADHD.
And in reality, what was happening is you had, I think, a lot at the urging of schools and parents, you had little boys who had surplus energy being drugged so that they could be compliant in class.
And let me tell you, being an adult now...
Having extra energy, man, I'm jealous of kids who have that.
That's a superpower.
And yet we told multiple generations of little boys, this thing you have, which is a ton of energy and love for life that we all wish we could have when we're tired and at the end of the day, that's actually a disability.
There's something wrong with you because you're full of life.
And it was evil what was done to tens of millions of boys over 30 years.
Sean, that's such a good point.
People say, Charlie, how do you have all this energy?
First of all, I do get my sleep.
But for the record, I was one of those kids that literally could not sit still.
I always had to have something in my hand.
I would even bite on my pens.
I was constantly, constantly.
I'm still very much that way, for the record.
Except on college campuses where I sit for three and a half hours.
I'm very hyperactive.
I'm very about getting stuff done.
I love life.
I pace around offices.
People would want to have medicated me.
Is this a form of mass social control?
What's really behind this?
Is this about trying to medicate our best and brightest young masculine driven future generations?
What's really going on here?
I think with so many things in the pharmaceutical and medical area it started out as a genuine attempt.
To address a problem.
Hey, we think there may be this small sliver of kids who have a neurological issue that makes it impossible for them to focus or learn.
And so they developed this drug at the time that they thought, hey, this might be good for treating this tiny little niche sliver of people and help them.
And for all I know, maybe that works for a very, very small sliver.
But what it ended up becoming was a tool of control.
I think it was largely pushed by schools and teachers, many of whom I think just didn't like.
They liked compliant girls who could sit still and listen and follow directions.
And they didn't like that a ton of boys are just not made to sit in a classroom like statues for eight or nine hours a day.
And this thing that began with good intentions actually became a massive program to drug boys into compliance and to being more like little girls.
So I don't think it started out insidiously, but it certainly became that way.
Parents in this were victims, especially maybe single moms.
They've got these rambunctious boys.
They have no time to do anything.
They're constantly anxious and stretched thin.
And lo and behold, out of nowhere comes this diagnosis that, oh, it's...
If I can just get him on this pill, we can fix things.
And so I think a lot of parents were lied to and manipulated into going along with this who really didn't know better at the time.
And it's every bit as sad for the boys who were drugged as it was for the parents who were taken advantage of.
And just so we are clear that this is a hyper-feminine approach that we must medicate the boys.
Sit still and be quiet behavior.
Our feminist feminization of the American.
School system, very heavy on reading and writing, which girls actually develop verbal skills earlier than boys.
The zero-tolerance discipline stuff, especially when kids are 4, 5, or 6. Also, the decrease in competitive and physical activities.
You see this across the board.
So, I think there's also a pharmacological benefit here.
And I looked up the numbers, just so we're clear.
15% of young boys are on ADHD medication.
15%. 15% of our nation's young men that might have the most energy and the most vigor and the most vitality and the most love of life are currently Medicaid.
15%. Alright, so shifting gears here for a second, Sean.
You guys have been covering a lot of stories at The Federalist.
I want to dive into this one.
This is an exclusive op-ed that Marco Rubio wrote for The Federalist.
Tell us about it.
Yes, so Rubio today announced in the pages of The Federalist that the State Department was going to be dismantling what we call the censorship industrial complex.
And we at The Federalist were directly targeted by this complex.
And in his op-ed, Rubio admits that and says, hey, the State Department targeted The Federalist for destruction.
You guys were reporting things that were inconvenient to the government and the regime.
And so they deliberately and maliciously sought to deprive you of ad revenue, of traffic.
In the hope of destroying you as a news entity and as a speech entity, and thank goodness for Rubio and Trump for recognizing the threat to a free people that this type of illegal censorship poses.
We ended up having to go sue the State Department, who we're still suing right now for all this illegal, insidious censorship against us.
And what is fascinating in this op-ed from Rubio is he admits that even after the congressional authorization For one particular censorship program known as the Global Engagement Center, even after the congressional authorization expired, they changed the name of what they were doing,
moved the employees into a new area, and let them burrow into the State Department bureaucracy to continue doing everything they were doing.
So thank goodness we have an administration that actually believes in the First Amendment.
But trust me, the GEC is not the only entity doing this stuff.
It is ongoing.
There is an entire Borg, that's why we call it the censorship industrial complex, that exists to shut down anyone who accurately says things that are against the government
Boy, is that well said.
So the GCE produced reports.
Warning about misinformation of thinking that COVID might have come from a Wuhan laboratory.
Are we able to just defund this altogether, or is some judge just going to enjoin this?
Well, you know, it's actually really complicated and kind of tricky because censorship, there's downstream effects.
It's not as if you just say one thing and then that has its effect and then it's over.
I kind of liken this censorship industrial complex to somebody going up on a top of a hill and gathering a whole bunch of gigantic boulders and then pushing them down the hill towards all of their enemies.
Once that ball starts rolling, once you've given the tools to destroy people you don't like to the private sector using federal money, you can't just stop it.
There's all that momentum.
And so it's great that Rubio is saying, hey, we want to put an end to this.
But the harm is ongoing.
You know, there's massive boulders that have crushed us and are still coming at us because of the tools and the technologies that our own government paid for and developed for the entire purpose of censoring us.
It's just it's unspeakably illegal and awful.
So we can kill the GEC, but is that enough to eventually prevent it from happening in
You know, I don't think it's enough to do it forever.
We wish it could be done forever.
I think Congress really has to step in.
And also, these things that they were doing before even Trump took over, Congress didn't say they were allowed to do it.
They were doing it on their own.
It was supposed to be targeted at foreign propaganda and terrorist propaganda, not at domestic sources.
So unfortunately, I think we're only maybe kind of safe while allies of free speech are in office, because once the other side comes in, we know exactly what they're going to
Sean, plug the Federalist or whatever you'd like our audience to be aware of.
Yeah, check us out at TheFederalist.com.
We do great courageous journalism every day.
You can find us on Twitter at FDRLST or X on Instagram.
And you can find me on X at SeanMDAV.
Very good.
Sean, thank you so much.
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After October 7th, we have seen the war between Israel and Hamas continue, but there is a domestic issue that is also continually bubbling up.
Understandably, a lot of people in the Israel advocacy circles, Jewish Americans, are very worried about the rise of anti-Semitism, which...
There is a rise in Jew hatred and anti-Semitism.
In fact, we will publish a video of a dialogue that I had at Illinois State University that basically took my breath away.
Guy was blaming the Jews for everything.
Outright anti-Semitism.
However, what is happening is that there is by some a push to lower the bar and lower the threshold of what is considered to be anti-Semitic.
We must be very careful doing this.
So, Ambassador David Friedman, a man that I respect and that I've gotten to know, I have a different perspective than him on this.
So, essentially, we'll play this piece of tape first, and then I will respond.
But I also just need to reinforce my bona fides.
I don't think there's a Jewish person my age that has a longer or a clearer record of support and sympathy with the Jewish people or opposition to Jew hatred or a love of Israel.
But I have a disagreement with Ambassador Friedman here.
And it's part of a trend and a pattern that I think we need to mention here on this program.
Let's play cut 261.
As my predecessor said, I condemn anti-Semitism on the right and on the left.
I'm an equal opportunity condemner of anti-Semitism.
You're alluding to Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson.
Yeah, none of them are any good on the right, on the left.
I don't like any of these anti-Semites, and I'm not shy about it, but the government
A government, the United States government or the government of France or the government of any other country, has the power to rein in anti-Semitism in a much more effective way.
And, you know, people say, well, you know, the governments are not in the business of changing the way people think.
That's true, but, you know...
To my thinking, most people who are, you know, anti-Semites, most of these people running around, we're not going to win their hearts and minds because they don't have hearts and they don't have minds.
So, you know, how are we going to, there's no reason to think we're ever going to convince them.
But we can deport them.
We can put them in jail.
We can make their lives miserable.
We can cut off their funding.
And that's what the Trump administration is doing for the first time.
So I think he's conflating two things.
I'm going to give a charitable view first, that he's conflating domestic American free speech, First Amendment protected speech.
With the importation of foreigners coming into the country.
So he was talking about deporting student visa holders.
However, it's a little bit of a conflation here.
And let me go a step further.
And it's because he said, look, governments do have power in Germany to go knock on your door and say that you are pushing hate speech.
I have to wonder, Ambassador Friedman, do you think it's okay?
Should it be legal to be anti-Semitic in Germany?
I think yes, it should be legal.
It's wrong, it's repulsive, but it should be legal.
The First Amendment and our strict freedom of speech is one of America's greatest rights that sets us apart from every other country in the world.
One of the central promises of Trump's 2024 campaign was to restore and protect American freedom of speech.
Five years ago, our elites tried to destroy freedom of speech in America in order to stop racism.
Immediately and predictably stopping racism became a justification for wrecking our cities and wrecking the lives of people who did nothing wrong.
Simultaneously in the name of stopping transphobia, they tried to make it impossible to dissent against the mutilation of children or radical gender propaganda in schools.
The criminal witch hunts against President Trump and Fannie Willis and Jack Smith both tried to criminalize President Trump's speech, indicting him for making tweets or delivering speeches.
Racism and anti-Semitism are both evil and should be opposed.
Opposed, but a government organized around jailing, impoverishing, or silencing people based on racism is what our enemies wanted.
We should not repeat their mistakes just because some keffa-wearing communist and depraved pigs are taking over our campuses.
Just because you don't like a person's opinion does not mean they're an anti-Semite.
And David Friedman did say in prison.
He did say in prison.
I don't think we should even imprison the green card holders.
Sending them back to their country, fine.
But time out.
Imprisonment? Because you think somebody has a different view on Israel than you do?
A view that I don't even have?
I understand that there is sensitivities post-October 7th.
Trust me.
I get it.
But I think this language needs to be calmed down dramatically.
Even alluding to the fact that Tucker Carlson should be imprisoned because he has a heterodox view on a topic or that Candace Owen should be imprisoned.
He said that word.
I'm not putting those words in his mouth.
And to be fair to him, the most charitable view is he's conflating the Mahmoud Kamil with the domestic issue, but then she brought up the American examples, and then he continued.
He'll have to clarify.
If we go too far, we will hurt the country, and it won't actually make anti-Semitism better.
And this is my final point.
Anti-Semitism actually grows when you overly censor thoughts and speech.
