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A Pause on Spending, A Rush on Deporting

Want to make the left flip out? Take away their money. The show reacts to the widespread meltdown over President Trump's order pausing federal grants, foreign aid, and more, showing how essential endless taxpayer dollars are to the left's agenda. Josh Hammer join to discuss his thesis that the "cultural Cold War" had ended — and the right won.Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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All right, everybody, welcome to The Charlie Kirk Show.
Andrew Colvitt in for the one and only Charlie Kirk, who's flying around the country with Vice President J.D. Vance.
Figured we should give him a pass for that.
I'm in the chair.
We talk about all the federal grants and loan disbursements that are paused by the White House.
We talk about the senior aid officials on leave, citing resistance to the Trump administration, their new priorities.
We talk about all the breaking news with ICE raids in Chicago and New York and Kristi Noem getting all kitted up.
That and so much more.
We also welcome Josh Hammer, senior editor-at-large of Newsweek.
And we talk about the Cold Civil War.
Did we just win?
Did we just actually win and put the left in their scolding, gross, no-fun regime?
Permanently in its place, or is this a temporary win and we need to be on the lookout?
We talk about that and so much more.
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All right, everybody, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
Andrew Colvett in for the one and only Charlie Kirk who's on assignment today.
We'll leave it at that for the time being.
Nevertheless, lots going on.
Always very, very much a privilege for me to be with all of you because there is so much breaking news.
In the era of Trump, we are now on Trump time.
Everything is coming at us at an absolute breakneck speed.
The blizzard of Trump actions is continuing into the second week.
It's really hard to keep up.
Now, that's partly by design, right?
Our enemies, our opponents, the lefties, the NPCs on the left, they're having a hard time keeping up and keeping track of everything to be outraged by.
And, you know, candidly, so are we and so are probably all of you out in that audience.
I think it's safe to say this is basically the first time the American people have ever seen the executive branch and the leaders of this country run the government almost like a tech startup.
You know, they move fast and break things on purpose because what has been built and constructed at the federal level especially are things worth breaking.
Now, if you check the headlines, It seems like the regime is most upset right now about all the freezes.
Freezes in hiring.
Freezes on federal grants.
Freezes on aid and loans and foreign grants.
Now, all of those things are good.
There's freezes on visas.
There's freezes on reentry.
The border is completely frozen.
And it is difficult to keep pace and to keep up.
So what is going on right now?
What is happening?
And by the way, there's going to be the first Caroline Levitt-led press briefing today at the White House, which is another very exciting thing.
So we're going to take that live.
We're actually going to be talking to Brian Glenn in the next segment.
He's going to be live from Pebble Beach, as they call it, inside the White House compound.
So what is going on?
Let's try and keep track here.
We've got CNN headline, all federal grants and loan disbursement paused by White House.
Now this one seems to have them very much in a tizzy.
So reading from CNN, which is regime controlled media, it says the White House budget office has ordered a pause on all federal grants and loans according to an internal memorandum sent Monday, potentially impacting trillions.
Yes, trillions with a T. So we don't even have Russ vote in yet at OMB, and the acting OMB director is already putting out this memoranda.
The memo specifies that the pause will not affect Social Security or Medicare benefits and does not include assistance provided directly to individuals.
Nevertheless, this is Trump bad.
Trump hates people.
Trump's going to cause people to not be able to eat.
That's false.
It's a temporary review, and it will provide the administration time to review agency programs and determine the best uses of the funding for those programs consistent with the law and the president's priorities.
So, the other thing that we have to look into is that this memoranda also says that it is in line with the executive orders last week.
What were the executive orders about last week?
This will be implicating DEI, woke gender ideology, and the Green New Deal, and foreign aid and non-governmental organizations.
Now, let's pause there.
Non-governmental organizations.
This would be like Catholic Charities that's trying to help...
Illegals game our immigration system and a lot of other NGOs that are doing that.
By the way, these NGOs, folks, they go by the name of refugee resettlement, that this is such a good thing.
They often quote scripture to completely game our immigration system and make money while doing it.
That's right.
So what they do is they charge maybe 20%, 30%, 40% profit to the government.
To resettle refugees from places like Afghanistan and the Middle East, which Joe Biden put a prioritization on, to bring them here into your community, into your homes and your parks, and these NGOs get paid to do it.
That's right.
So we're putting a pause on all of these things so that they can be reviewed and the president's priorities can be ensured that they're taking place.
Now, the other big news story is that Kristi Noem was photographed in New York City doing raids on gang members.
They got a kingpin of Trende Aragua up in New York City.
She's fully kitted out.
Now, some people don't like that.
Some people think it's, you know, like Princess Warrior stuff.
I get that.
I get the pushback.
You know, the whole girl boss movement is a little cringe, but...
Here's my pushback to the pushback.
It's great to see institutional prioritization at the top level of our government, including Kristi Noem, getting into the field showing that we mean business.
So I'm all for it.
I'm all for it.
Go into the field, show the world that we mean business and we're not playing around anymore.
Meanwhile, we've got border crossings.
Plummeting.
There are reporters that have been at the border for over a decade, that have been covering the story at our border for over a decade.
They've never seen numbers this low.
They keep dropping.
In fact, across all of our sectors yesterday, not one had over 200 border crossers attempt to get over the border.
We have illegals coming back from trying to cross saying, don't come.
You're not going to get through.
Everybody's getting caught.
You've got raids going on in Colorado, getting Trendy Aragua people.
You've got raids with Tom Homan in Chicago and Dr. Phil.
You've got raids going on in New York City.
And you've got people like Selena Gomez sobbing about this and then deleting it.
Let me get that clip if we can.
Ryan, what clip is that?
Sobbing about how They're attacking my people.
Now, let's make a couple things straight here.
Let's get a couple things straight.
They're not going after schools and playgrounds and all this stuff.
There's all this propaganda.
Now, we reserve the right to do that if that's where the bad guys are.
But right now, that's not what is happening.
We're going for the worst first.
We're getting murderers, rapists, pedophiles off the streets.
These are public safety issues.
These are public safety threats that we're getting off of the streets.
And we're getting them out of our country.
And people like Selena Gomez, go ahead and play Cut 91.
I think Charlie's post on this did like 11 million views so far.
Play Cut 91.
I just wanted to say that I'm so sorry.
*sniff* All my people are getting attacked.
The children.
I don't understand.
I'm so sorry.
I wish I could do something, but I can't.
I don't know what to do.
I'll try everything, I promise.
So, we're not going to be cowed by tears anymore.
Hollywood celebrities, AOC, crying on the border as we make our cities safer.
As we make our communities safer, as we remove actual murderers and rapists from the communities of this country, we are not going to be cowed by crying celebrities anymore.
Where were your tears for Lake and Riley?
Where were they for Jocelyn Nungari?
Where were they for Rachel Morin?
Where were they for the 100,000 Americans that die every year from fentanyl poisoning?
I don't think so.
We're going to secure our border.
We're going to deport illegals.
The mission is going forward.
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Breaking news.
I'm allowed to disclose Charlie's.
Actually traveling with the vice president today.
He's with J.D. Vance, who is an American hero.
Already can't wait to see all the things that J.D. accomplishes in his time serving this great country.
Right now I am joined by Brian Glenn, White House correspondent for Real America's Voice.
Brian, we have our first White House press briefing today with the new White House press secretary, Caroline Levitt.
Fill us in.
What's the mood like there?
What are the changes we can expect to see?
I know the entire country, especially the political class, is going to be tuned in to this event today.
For sure.
You know, I just stepped...
Outside to do this hit with you, but I can tell you one thing.
The crowd is growing inside that press room as it has been all morning.
It seems like there is an elevated buzz around this press conference.
Obviously, this is the first time we've had a press conference.
We've seen Caroline Leavitt in this capacity in this official briefing room.
And you know what?
There's new media outlets out here that I've never seen before around the White House.
So there is certainly a...
A buzz in the air, Andrew, and I can expect this thing also to be filled with a ton of questions.
As you would imagine, a lot of the media here, they want to kind of be able to scrutinize a lot what President Trump has done this first, I guess, two weeks of his administration.
But I will say this, though, a little of an addition that I've not seen in there before.
They do have these two video screens on either side of where Levitt will be standing.
Perhaps I'll use that as kind of a slideshow or maybe something to be able to play some video to back up some of the statements and kind of recap what has happened the last day 10 or whatever day we're on at this point.
It's been going so fast, as we know.
But that's kind of some additional changes that I've noticed inside.
But as soon as we're done here, we're going to move inside and be in ready position for this press conference schedule to start at 1 o'clock.
So Brian, a lot has been made about the seating arrangement that we can expect, right?
I mean, in years past...
We've seen New York Times, what we like to call the regime media, the legacy media outlets seated right up front.
There's been a lot of news made about who Karine Jean-Pierre would call on, who she would not.
Do you have any insight yet about how the seating arrangement is going to be?
Our outlets like Real America's Voice, Turning Point USA, we have our own White House correspondent as well in there.
Do you have any insight on that yet?
I don't.
I will say this.
I think it is business as usual as far as seating goes for this particular press conference.
Now, as we move forward, I don't know what that would look like.
I could imagine after this first initial conference that the seating charts, the seating arrangement, the assignments will be scrambled up a little different, putting a little bit more of maybe your conservative-based media towards the front, or maybe I should say the ones that are fair and unbalanced, right, up in front.
But to your point, I have not heard any changes for this one, but I can expect that is going to be revised.
We're moving forward because this is very much a different administration, as we know.
I mean, it seems like forever that the previous press secretary really protected Joe Biden from any type of official scrutiny of anything that he did.
And, of course, they will use this pulpit today, if you will, to absolutely unleash on President Trump a lot of things like immigration, Andrew.
It's been highly criticized across most of the mainstream media.
I would expect a fair amount of questions on that subject today, but I do expect some other documentation.
I mean, using these video screens, Andrew, is a great idea because instead of turning to the...
To the book, the binder, I guess, that would have all these answers.
Why not just show a video?
Why not show just a PowerPoint presentation, if you will, about what this last few days have been in terms of the accomplishments, the executive orders, some of the changes that have happened within our government, within our military, these Senate confirmation hearings.
All the stuff can be displayed on these monitors, and I think it gives a great visual to this whole press.
I agree.
I think we need to be more creative in government.
I think this administration is proving how creative you can be and not being fired by the way things have been.
So last question here, Brian.
I know you've got to get back there and prep for this briefing.
30 seconds.
Give me a sense of how the resistance media, as I like to call them, the tone, the vibe shift, all these things we're hearing, what are they feeling like these days?
Well, I think they sense there is some additional faces in this room that they have not seen before.
I can probably give you a better answer after this press conference of how perhaps we may be treated a little differently.
I have been warned that, you know, you've got some people that are going to try to make it tough, but I have not experienced that as of yet, Andrew.
But I will let you know.
Awesome.
Well, you keep an eye out for us, Brian, and ask some great questions.
We know you will.
Thank you, Brian Glenn.
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I want to welcome Josh Hammer onto the show next.
He's a senior editor-at-large at Newsweek, host of The Josh Hammer Show.
Josh, welcome to The Charlie Kirk Show.
How are you doing?
Andrew, I'm doing great, my friend.
You know, it is morning in America, as a famous man once said about four and a half decades ago.
And it's really great to be back on The Charlie Kirk Show with you, my good friend, Andrew Colvin.
Yeah, absolutely.
Josh, I'm so glad to have you.
I mean, there's just so much to discuss.
But, you know, the real impetus for this was your op-ed in Newsweek.
And I thought it was a really, really fun title for an op-ed, first of all.
The Cold Civil War is over.
We won.
Now, Josh, I want you to make your argument here.
But, you know, I just want to say I'm not, you know, I'm not popping champagne just yet.
yet.
There's a lot of work to do.
But I think the premise of your article holds.
Why do you say we won the Cold Civil War?
What is the Cold Civil War?
Make your case.
Andrew, let me first say that the fact that the enemy is slayed, at least for the time being, I agree, does not necessarily mean that it will not one day, God forbid, possibly rise like a phoenix from the ashes to create more chaos and mayhem and to sow the seeds of discourse here in America. possibly rise like a phoenix from the ashes to create So while I am definitely celebrating.
I agree that we should not rest on our laurels.
It is definitely time to keep the momentum going.
But the reason that I picked this very fun title, I'm glad you agree with me, I thought it was a very fun title as well, is that what we've seen thus far in the opening week or so of this second Donald Trump administration...
It is the most transformative cultural paradigm shifting moment that I think we've seen probably in our lifetimes.
And basically in the column, Andrew, I take a step back.
Barack Obama declared war on America.
He declared war on America and instituted our modern American civil war, our cold civil, roiling cold civil war.
This happened because Barack Obama basically said that he was doing it.
He famously said in February 2008, That he sought to fundamentally transform America, and one does not seek to fundamentally transform that which he loves or seeks to conserve.
And we saw this time and time again throughout the Obama presidency, whether it came to Obamacare, the largest entitlement since Lyndon Johnson's Great Society, when it came to the issue of beating up on cops, of exacerbating racial relations, of having Eric Holder, his attorney general, use so-called disparate impact theory.
That was kind of the predecessor to Ibram X. Kennedy and anti-racism, whether it was all the foreign policy nonsense.
The Iran deal.
Barack Obama tried time and time again to declare war on the half America that he infamously called bitter clingers that Hillary Clinton in 2016 referred to as deplorables.
And that civil war was stopped for four years by the Donald Trump administration, or at least three and a half years or so, until George Floyd met Derek Chauvin in Minneapolis, Minnesota.
And we all saw what happened from there, the riots of the summer of 2020 in there.
And then we got peak woke.
The past four years prior to Donald Trump getting back in the Oval Office, the Joe Biden presidency, this is peak woke, Andrew, peak woke.
He literally chose a vice president of the United States, Kamala Harris, because she was a quote-unquote woman of color.
He literally chose his one justice on the United States Supreme Court, Katanji Brown Jackson, because she is a quote-unquote woman of color.
Time and time again.
As folks like Chris Rufo have reported, they weaponized all of the various instrumentalities of the American administrative state and executive branch to implement so-called DEI, to overtly discriminate against white people, against Christians, Jews, Asians, in favor of blacks, Hispanics, and so forth there.
And just basically everything that we saw over the past four years, this was the moment that woke reached, I think, its apotheosis.
It's been slayed.
It's been slated because Donald Trump, Andrew, adopted a mentality, to go back to the Morning in America line that I was saying a few minutes ago, he adopted an old Reaganite mantra.
And what Ronald Reagan famously said when he was asked for his approach to the Cold War, and he came into power in 1980, coming off the 1970s, you had differing opinions in the 1970s, there was Henry Kissinger in detente, there was kind of the Cold War hawks back then.
Ronald Reagan famously said that his approach to the Cold War, we win.
And they lose.
People said that he was crazy, that he was a cowboy, he was a warmonger.
But that mentality, Andrew, helped win the Cold War.
I think Donald Trump has taken that exact same mentality to his second term in office.
And I'm not entirely sure what the exact moment was.
That galvanized him to adopt this Reaganite mantra?
I suspect it was probably around the time that Joe Biden, Merrick Garland, and so-called special counsel Jack Smith started to incarcerate him, to prosecute him, try to throw him in jail, bankrupt him, ruin him of all his possessions, basically deprive him of his liberty and his livelihood.
Maybe it was around the time that Thomas Matthew Crooks in Butler, Pennsylvania, came within millimeters of assassinating him before a global television audience.
But at some point, at some point, Donald Trump had kind of his Clarence Thomas 1991 Anita Hill moment, where he looked at all this radicalization around.
This is enough.
I am over this.
And you know what?
To quote Barack Obama, Get me my freaking pen.
Get me my freaking phone because this crap ain't going to fly anymore come day one.
And that was what we saw last week, Andrew.
We saw all these executive orders.
I mean, the DEI executive order alone, just focusing on that one executive order, and there's been so many amazing ones, it's hard to know even where to start.
There's been the gender ideology, birthright citizenship.
It's amazing stuff coming out of this White House.
But just the DEI executive order, it doesn't just get rid of DEI. This is the kind of stuff that wins culture wars overnight.
So again...
Let's not rest on our laurels.
I understand, like, you know, constant vigilance, and let's keep our foot on the gas pedal and keep on plowing full speed ahead.
But for now, for now, what we have seen is the stuff of legends, frankly.
It kind of reminds me, as I said in the column, I remember when I was a kid learning about how the English took over what was then called New Amsterdam, and then they renamed it New York City from Peter Stuyvesant to the Dutch.
In the 1600s, they famously took it over without firing a single shot because it was just a pure, unmitigated demonstration of force.
And the enemy yielded at that demonstration of force.
That's very much how I view what happened over this past week.
I think that was extraordinarily well said, Josh.
And I want to believe that all of this is going to happen without a single shot.
And there's a lot of reason to believe that...
We have now become the dominant force in culture, and not just politically, which obviously we control the three branches of the government, but culturally.
Philosophically, ideologically, you can feel the momentum behind more of a traditional Americana, this triumphant Americana, this manifest destiny, whether it be Greenland or Panama or Canada, or just retaking the border.
Pete Hegg said, saying, yeah, we're going to get operational control of our southern border.
You've got ICE raids.
We are, from a PR standpoint, this administration is doing a fantastic job projecting strength to the world.
You saw this with Colombia and the little tiff.
That happened over the weekend, how quickly that was resolved, and then, and then, and then, and on and on and on it goes.
And what I find particularly instructive and encouraging, Josh, is the polling.
You've got Harry Enten at CNN going on in front of Casey Hunt or whatever the host is going like, hey, these numbers are extraordinary.
And just for our audience's sake, consider this.
Donald Trump is the only...
President in the history of the country that has a higher approval rating at the start of his second term than he ever did in his first term.
A majority of all Americans support deportation of all, not some, not the worst first, which obviously Tom Homan, budget constraints, manpower constraint is starting with the worst first, but a majority, a clear majority across like five different polls say that Americans support deporting.
All illegals.
This is a phenomenal, phenomenal showing.
And it shows, Josh, that the main street America, average America, is seeing the changes already.
They're seeing the momentum shift.
And American malaise is out.
America's self-constraint is out.
And so I do want to be really, really encouraged by this.
There's a part of me that just, you know, I think can't get over the trauma of 2020 or 2022 and won't quite believe it.
But Josh, Do you think this has staying power?
Do you think we are at the beginning of an 8-12 year run?
I do.
I absolutely do.
I think that J.D. Vance as vice president of the United States is kind of the natural heir to the throne.
And we'll obviously have that debate, I presume, in the year 2028. But God willing, the next four years will go well.
And J.D., who is literally only 40 years old, is kind of the logical successor there.
And that's part of the reasons that Donald Trump tapped J.D. Vance in the first place, right?
Because he's making a long-term play here.
I mean, look at his cabinet picks.
I mean, you mentioned Pete Hegseth.
Pete Hegseth is, what, 44, 45 years old?
I mean, so many of these cabinet picks are very, very young people.
This is a movement, Andrew.
And what's so fascinating is that MAGA, America First, just being on the right of center right now in America, more generally speaking, this is cool.
I mean, this is kind of the anti-establishment mentality, the same way that Barack Obama was considered irreverent.
And back in the 1960s, all the quote-unquote self-professed cool kids were burning down college canvases, the Vietnam War, all that stuff.
MAGA is basically that today.
I mean, this is kind of the middle finger to the establishment.
The Democratic Party is a rotting carcass.
It is filled with octogenarians, septuagenarians, people who are literally two to three decades past their prime.
Joe Biden is obviously a perfect encapsulation of that there.
And the Republican Party is filled with young, up-and-coming people who have an inherent love of their country there.
And that's being reflected in the popular culture.
Look at all the people in these NFL playoffs and the college football playoffs who are doing the Trump dance in the end zone after getting a touchdown.
Carrie Underwood going acapella at the inaugural address there.
Just so many cultural moments.
And these big tech oligarchs, I mean, just on and on.
And I completely agree.
There was that New York Magazine piece that just came out talking about all the young energy around the inauguration.
They tried to make it look racist, but that is cool, guys.
Enjoy it.
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This is breaking news, Charlie.
Charlie's just sitting next to J.D. Vance there on Air Force Two.
Just casually plotting the future blizzard of other executive orders and actions that will take this country back.
Our movement is ascendant, folks.
The conversation that we were having with Josh, we're going to bring him back when we have Radio Rejoin in just a second.
There is so much positive momentum happening right now, and it is impossible to separate the movement that Trump has sparked, the ascendancy of it, Without also including this entirely new generation of young guns like Charlie Kirk, like James Blair, like Sergio Gore, like J.D. Vance, Stephen Miller.
There's almost too many to name.
Taylor Budowich.
There's so many within this administration that are staffing it from top to bottom.
Obviously, Charlie's not staffing it, but he's, you know, within the larger movement on this show and this audience.
The amount of transformational change that is possible with this new, young, vibrant core of leadership that is assuming control, both from a media standpoint and an actual power standpoint, the reins of actual power, it's impossible to fully comprehend or appreciate at this juncture.
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Josh, I wanna throw this image up This is from the New York Magazine.
It's kind of personal for me, actually.
Throw up 94. Image 94. The Cruel Kids Table is the way the headline reads.
This is a cover piece for New York Magazine by Brock Collier, who is a trans journalist from the New York Magazine.
I know this because Brock also applied for press credentials at the Turning Point Ball, our inaugural eve ball, and was there on the red carpet.
There's pictures of our ball in this story.
But, you know, the pushback is hilarious about this piece, but I think it's an interesting...
Even the journalist in this piece, Josh, admits that we're winning, that we are culturally ascendant, that we are now dominating...
Realms of culture that would have been hard to fathom just a few years ago.
And I believe that they've cropped this picture to make it look more racist, like it's only white kids or something.
There's a whole bunch of that going on here.
But it's like, Josh, take this picture as just one instance.
It's a bunch of young, successful, happy kids drinking a...
You know, at a trendy cocktail party.
You know, I guess if that's, like, cruel, celebrating the dawn of a new administration, a new America, you know, I guess, you know, cry harder, Libs, is my, you know, instant reaction.
What do you make of this?
And what does this tell us?
Well, first of all, Andrew, I'm pretty sure they did do exactly that which you said they did, which is that they cropped out this photo, they edited it, they photoshopped it to make it look just more monolithically white than it is there.
But, you know, I think a normal American looks at this photo, whether it's been photoshopped or cropped or edited or not, and says, oh, wow, these are a bunch of, like, pretty...
Good-looking young people having a great time.
They're dressed nicely there.
They're clanking their glasses.
They're saying cheers there.
I'm sorry.
I'm not seeing anything wrong with this picture, Andrew.
I'm simply just not seeing anything.
And I think what kind of the broader point is getting at here, this is a point that I've made actually for a few years now.
I think this is part of the left's war on fun.
I actually literally call it the war on fun.
You know, whether it's trying to call you a scold for driving in a gas-guzzling pickup truck or an SUV, whether they're calling you a bad person for wanting to have numerous kids, you know, that whole be fruitful and multiply thing right there from the book of Genesis.
God forbid you actually take God at his word and have three, four, five, you know, God knows how many children who are going to consume oxygen and spit out carbon dioxide.
You know, you're very, very bad.
They definitely hate that, Andrew.
God forbid you actually teach your children about religion, about the Bible, about the things that actually built this country, about the founding fathers, about the Constitutional Convention.
You can't have any of that either there.
I mean, the left has become just these pearl-clutching bunch of overtly faux-moralistic prima donnas.
That's basically what they become there.
And they hate looking at anyone.
Who is more successful than them?
That obviously gets back to kind of the roots of socialism and Marxism is this whole idea of envy and class envy and individual envy.
That's definitely part of this as well there.
But they're just fundamentally just a bunch of just ragtag.
And frankly, Andrew, if I'm just being very blunt for a second here, you know, I was looking at this rally on the eve of the inauguration, the left-wing rally there with kind of those pink hats, whatever, the women's march stuff there on the National Mall.
A bunch of ugly people.
I mean, I'm probably going to get in trouble for saying that there, but, like, these are just typically, obviously, they're exceptions, but a bunch of, like, very ugly people, honestly.
Josh, I mean, think about it, you know, and I think Matt Walsh made this point on Twitter.
We like Matt a lot, and he had a great role to play in, you know, just his film and so many other things.
But what reads his left wing now, besides, like, a bunch of purple-haired, you know, nose-piercing, you know, Many obese or at least overweight young people screaming about some injustice that they've invented in a college laboratory.
I mean, literally, if young kids having fun, if young kids, you know, wearing a flannel in the country, you know, listening to country music, whatever, I mean, we are the fun movement.
And it's a very fascinating point, Josh, and I'll throw it back to you for 30 seconds to react.
You know, It seemed like in 2008, this cultural ascendancy of the left promised all of these things, but failed to deliver.
Instead, it delivered this dystopian, puritanical scolding from the left about these invented injustices.
And this movement, I believe, can actually deliver on the promise of lifting everybody and having fun.
Final reaction, Josh Hammer.
Well, you're totally right to take it back to 2008. I mean, that's where I started my cold civil wars over op-ed, too, because it does go back to Barack Obama and his 2008 campaign.
Andrew, if the left is going to have any chance of recovering, and thank God it's not my problem.
I'm a man of the right, obviously.
But if the left is going to have any chance of recovering here, Andrew, they have to disavow the entirety of the Barack Obama legacy and his post-presidential legacy.
They need to go back to the old Democratic Party of Bill Clinton and his predecessors who, whatever their flaws were, they were focused on bread and butter issues.
He's not this woke brat.
I agree.
Josh Hammer, good man.
Follow him.
Follow his stuff.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
Talk to you soon.
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