The Gulf of America, Greenland, Mark Zuckerberg, and More
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Hey everybody, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
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So I'm holding it down.
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Not really, but we got to cover an absolutely amazing news day.
Not only was Charlie in Greenland meeting the MAGA faithful in Greenland that love Trump, love America, but Trump then simultaneously held a historic We're opting to include the entire press conference in this podcast because I truly believe it's historic.
This is a press conference where he asserts America's strength on the international and domestic stage like we have not seen done in generations.
It's truly, truly something to behold.
I react to it live in this episode.
Then we're joined by Cain from Citizen Free Press to get his live reaction.
And then Raheem Kassam helps make sense of the meta news, what's happening internationally with free speech, with the EU, versus Musk, versus Nigel, versus Tommy Robinson.
So much we cover here.
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All right, everybody, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
Andrew Colvin in for Charlie, who surprised me this morning by letting me know he's in Greenland with Don Jr. and other representatives from the Trump administration, incoming Trump administration.
But President Trump is speaking right now at a press conference at Mar-a-Lago, so more on Greenland later, more on Facebook later.
Let's go ahead and throw back to President Trump.
Thank you very much.
It's an honor to be with you.
Many things are happening that are exciting.
Very exciting for our country.
And we're honored to welcome one of the most respected business leaders in the Middle East, indeed the world.
He's a founder and chairman of DMAQ Properties, Hussein Sejwani.
Very respected gentleman.
And I'm thrilled to announce today that DMAQ... We'll be investing at least $20 billion over a very short period of time into the United States, and they may go double or even somewhat more than double that amount of money.
It's a great thing, and I believe he will say that he's doing it because of the fact that he was very inspired by the election.
They wouldn't do it without that election, I can tell you.
A lot of people wouldn't.
You saw last week where we have somebody who's going to go.
From $100 to $200 billion.
And we have many other people, and we'll be bringing some of them out.
Some of them like to do it somewhat more quietly, and some don't.
And they feel so strongly about the country that they want to let people know about it.
But it's an honor to have such a great investor investing in our country.
The investment will support massive new data centers across the Midwest.
The Sunbelt area and also to keep America on the cutting edge of technology and artificial intelligence.
He's very big into the data centers, and that's going to be a very hot item in the coming years, as you know, with AI in particular.
The first phase of the project will be in Texas, Arizona, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Ohio, Illinois, Michigan, and Indiana, those places.
And Hussein, I'd love you to come up and say a few words.
Thank you very much.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you, Mr. President.
It's been amazing news for me and my family when he was elected in November.
We've been waiting four years to increase our investments in U.S. to a very large amount of money.
We are a company operating in more than 20 countries around the world.
We have delivered more than 45,000 luxury units and another 45,000 in the pipeline.
In data center, we are in 10 countries around the world, in Asia, Europe, and Middle East.
And we're very, very excited now with his leadership and his open strategy and policy to encourage businesses to come to U.S. For the last four years, we've been waiting for this moment.
And we're planning to invest $20 billion.
And even more than that, if the opportunity in the market allow us.
But at the moment, we're planning $20 billion in data center, catering for the AI, and cloud business for the hyperscalers.
Fantastic.
Thank you, Mr. President.
Thank you very much.
So nice.
And that man knows what he's doing.
He knows.
So, Hussein, we're going to work with you and make sure everything goes smoothly.
we have powers that haven't really been used in terms of environmental.
If you invest over a billion dollars in the United States, we're going to give expedited reviews to everybody because everyone's afraid they're going to come in and get caught in the quagmire, which is very prevalent in the United States, unfortunately.
The quagmire of environmental and various other regulations and rules.
And I made it a point of telling people if you invest a billion dollars or more And we'll do this for people with far less, too.
But we guarantee it.
We're going to move them quickly through the environmental process.
Sometimes people held up 12, 13, 14, 15 years.
I saw it with plants in Louisiana, where I got it approved in literally a week.
They were through the review in one week after spending 14 and a half years trying to get it, and they were going nowhere.
It was a terrible thing.
I've been a victim of that myself over the years.
And I think I know all the games and all the tricks that are played.
And much of it is just done to stop progress.
So we're going to be helping you and everybody else that comes to the United States and wants to invest their money that you don't get tied up for the rest of your life and you can't do anything.
This commitment further underscores that many of the greatest business leaders on Earth are seeing a very bright economic future for America.
Since the election, as you know, a lot of positive things have happened.
We are inheriting a difficult situation from the outgoing administration, and they're trying everything they can to make it more difficult.
Inflation is continuing to rage, and interest rates are far too high.
And I've been disappointed to see the Biden administration's attempt To block the reforms of the American people and that they voted for.
We had a landslide election.
We won every swing state.
We won the popular vote by millions and millions of people.
Nobody even knows how many people.
Millions.
And they're still counting in some areas.
You know they're still counting the vote in some areas.
Can you believe this?
What a place.
What a horrible place.
One of the things we're going to do is we've got to fix the election so that we get honest counts and they get done by...
10 o'clock in the evening or something thereabouts.
They have places where they're still counting votes.
President Biden's actions yesterday on offshore drilling, banning offshore drilling, will not stand.
I will reverse it immediately.
It'll be done immediately.
And we will drill baby drill.
We're going to be drilling in a lot of other locations.
And the energy costs are going to come way down.
they'll be brought down to a very low level, and that's going to bring everything else down.
That's what caused it to go up, along with the ridiculous spending on the Green News scam, all this money, trillions of dollars.
It's like throwing it right out the window, what they're doing.
And they're trying to spend so much now, they're just taking money and giving it to anybody that wants it for any project at all, if it's certified under the Green News scam.
And they don't work.
and it's too expensive.
You know, they told me that we're going to do everything possible to make this transition to the new administration very smooth.
It's not smooth, because they're doing that.
They're playing with the courts, as you know.
They've been playing with the courts for four years.
Probably got me more votes, because I got the highest number of votes ever gotten by a Republican, by far, actually, by a lot.
You know, we had a great election, so I guess it didn't work.
But even to this day, they're playing with the courts.
They're friendly judges that like to try and make everybody happy on the Democrat side.
It's called lawfare.
It's called weaponization of justice.
And it's happened at a level nobody's ever seen before.
So many.
I defeated deranged Jack Smith.
He's a deranged individual.
I guess he's on his way back to The Hague.
And we won those cases.
Those were the biggest ones.
And the press made such a big deal out of him, but we did nothing wrong.
We did nothing wrong on anything.
And the people saw that.
You know, when they vote, when a Republican, it's not easy for a Republican.
When the Republican wins the popular vote by millions and wins all seven of the swing states, people said, well, he could win four.
We won all seven, and we won them by a lot.
That tells you we won.
And they've been watching this injustice.
I call it the injustice department.
What they've done is so bad.
The whole world has watched that.
And it took work, but it got me a lot of votes because when explained, I mean, we have a judge in New York who's a very crooked judge.
I'm under a gag order.
I can't even talk about aspects of the case that are the most vital aspects.
I'm under a gag.
Do you know that I'm the president-elect of the United States of America?
I'm a former, very successful president.
We had the greatest economy in the history of our country.
We had borders that were sealed and beautiful.
Everything was good.
We had no wars.
We defeated ISIS. We had no wars.
Now I'm going into a world that's burning with Russia and Ukraine, with Israel.
You took a look at that attack on October 7th, the attack on Israel.
With the horrible way they got out.
Not the fact that they got out.
I would have been out before them.
But we would have been out of Afghanistan with dignity and strength as opposed to looking like a bunch of fools with 13 dead and many, many badly, horrifically injured.
Nobody ever talks about them.
No arms, no legs.
Nobody ever talks about them.
The way they got out was outrageous, leaving billions of dollars of brand new military equipment that I bought.
In the hands of the Afghans and specifically the Taliban.
It's the group.
And we were doing very well.
We would have been out.
We would have been respected.
I think it's one of the reasons it was so badly handled, that withdrawal, where people are jumping onto airplanes, falling off the sides of airplanes when they're 3,000 feet in the air.
And nobody's ever seen anything like that.
The worst.
And because of that, I think Russia went and...
When they saw that, they said, these guys are incompetent.
They don't know what they're doing.
But we know what we're doing now.
And that's going to all end.
And we have a great military.
I defeated ISIS, as you know.
We were in no wars.
I just finished a couple.
And we got also our soldiers guarding Syria and Turkey.
We're in the middle.
We had 5,000 soldiers.
They would have been gobbled up with two armies.
We had one army, 300,000.
We had another one, 500,000 or 600,000.
Looking, getting ready.
We had 5,000 people in the middle.
I said to a general, how do 5,000 people do in that case?
And the general just looked at me and said, not well, sir, not well.
And I took them out.
And you know what happened?
Nothing.
I got criticized.
I saved 5,000 lives, actually.
And we did a great job, and we're going to do an even better job, because now we have a tremendous amount of experience.
We have people.
That I can rely on.
But the 625 million acres, people can't realize.
It's like the whole ocean.
Take an acre.
You know, an acre, you have a house on a half an acre or a quarter of an acre or an acre.
If you have an acre, you have a big deal.
Now you multiply that by 625 million acres.
It's like, feels like the whole ocean.
And that's our strength, you know?
People can say we manufacture, we don't manufacture.
The thing we have, we have oil and gas more than anybody in the world.
We're going to have more of it, too.
But they took away 625 million acres of offshore drilling.
Nobody else does that.
And they think they have it, but we'll put it back.
I'm going to put it back on day one.
I'm going to have it revoked on day one.
We'll go immediately.
If we need to, I don't think we should have to go to the courts.
But if we do have to go to the courts, you know, they try to be sneaky.
They go in and they sign.
Remember, this is a man that said he wants the transition to be smooth.
Well, you don't do the kind of things.
You don't have a judge working real hard to try and embarrass you.
Because I did nothing wrong.
By the way, I did absolutely nothing wrong.
If I did something wrong, I wouldn't be standing here right now because I've won all these cases.
Nobody's ever won so many cases as I have against the Justice Department.
I mean, Jack Smith had cases all over the place.
People were being subpoenaed.
Lives were being ruined.
They were spending everything they had, money.
We were helping them out.
We had to.
They were subpoenaing people that had no idea what they were even talking about.
That's a sick group of people.
And it was all too...
Influence the election.
It was all a fight against a political opponent.
We've never had that in this country.
We have had that in certain countries.
We've had that in third-tier countries.
We've had that in banana republics, but we've never had that in a place like the United States.
I don't even know if it's been on a small level.
I'm sure it has been on a small level, but this was the largest level ever.
They brought this moron out of The Hague.
He's a mean guy.
He's a mean, nasty guy.
His picture was perfect.
Because you look at his picture, you say, that's a bad guy with his robe, his purple robe.
And he executes people.
He shouldn't be allowed to execute people because he'll execute everybody.
He's a nut job.
But we want all of those cases with him.
And, I mean, I don't know the judge in Florida, but we had a brilliant judge in Florida that saw right through it.
And we won the case.
She was a brilliant judge with great courage.
You know, the left, as we call them, the radical left, they have a way, they play the ref.
And they play it very hard.
They play the ref.
They go and say horrible things about judges and prosecutors.
And some judges and prosecutors say, look, the only way I'm going to get these people off my back is to give victory to them.
They're playing the ref.
I think it's illegal what they do.
It's almost like talking.
It's worse than talking to a judge.
But the judge in Florida, Judge Cannon, was brilliant and tough, and she didn't stand for it.
And I don't know her.
And never met her until the case, and I don't believe I said even one word to her.
But she was very, very strong and very, very brilliant.
And her opinion was so brilliant that they dropped their appeal.
They couldn't beat the appeal.
So that's what we're up against.
So they say we're going to have a smooth transition.
All they do is talk.
It's all talk.
Everything they do is talk.
We're going to have a smooth transition.
And then they take 625 million acres and they essentially landmark it so you can't ever drill there again.
Well, we're going to be drilling soon.
We're going to be opening up ANWR. We're going to be doing all sorts of things that nobody ever thought was even possible.
But remember, and just to get off the subject, because I couldn't believe it when I heard it yesterday, I couldn't believe the size of it.
I mean, you put down a map and put this up, it's just massive.
And remember that that's worth probably, I mean, I've had estimates, $40 to $50 trillion.
That's more than our national debt.
Essentially, he's thrown it away.
He's thrown it away.
He's taken 50 trillion dollars.
So if we owe 35 trillion, he's taken 50 trillion dollars of value and thrown it right out the window.
We can't do that.
Nobody can do that.
One other thing he did yesterday, which was in many ways worse.
It's hard to believe it can be worse.
He wants all gas heaters out of your homes.
He wants them to be replaced by essentially electric heaters.
I don't know what it is with electric.
This guy loves electric.
We're going to be ending the electric car mandate quickly, by the way.
This guy loves electric.
And we don't have enough electricity.
And then we have AI where we need more.
And he wants everybody to have an electric heater instead of a gas heater.
Gas heater is much less expensive.
The heat is much better.
It's a much better heat.
As the expression goes, you don't itch.
Does anybody have a heater where you go and you're scratching?
That's what they want you to have.
They don't want you to have gas where you don't have the problems of the electric.
And the source is plentiful.
They're much cheaper to operate.
They're much better.
They work much better.
They look much better.
Sixty percent of homes and apartments have gas heaters.
He wants them all removed quickly.
These people are crazy.
There's something wrong with them.
There's something wrong with them.
They also want to go back, and they have already started that, to when you buy a faucet, no water comes out, because they want to preserve.
Even in areas that have so much water, you don't know what to do.
It's called rain.
It comes down from heaven.
And they want to do...
No water comes out of the shower.
It goes drip, drip, drip.
So what happens, you're in the shower ten times as long, you know.
No water comes out of the faucet.
You want to wash your hands.
They want to go back to even stronger than what they have right now.
I, as you know, I ended that policy.
You can have all the water you want.
It makes no difference.
Especially in certain areas, we have so much water, we don't know what to do with it.
But these are all things.
They want very, very little water to go into your dishwasher.
Almost none.
And you know what people do?
They just keep pressing, pressing, pressing, keep it going.
They end up using more water.
Likewise, washing machines.
They want in your washing machine to have very little water coming out of the washing machine.
So when you wash your clothing, you have to wash it four times instead of once.
You end up using more water.
We're a party of common sense, and things that I'm telling you now is really all about common sense.
On January 20th, we'll turn the economy around very quickly.
Because right now, when I think of our economy, I think about inflation.
That's what we have.
We have inflation, I believe, at a level that we never had before.
There's never been anything like it.
And over the next four years, the United States is going to take off like a rocket ship.
But really, it's already doing it.
If you take a look, just last month, SoftBank announced the $200 billion.
I think it'll be $200.
He said between $100.
And I said, how about making it $200?
And he sort of said yes, but let's say it's 100, but it might be 200. Right, Brian?
Dollars United States creating more than 100,000 jobs.
Hussein just announced a tremendous investment that he's going to make, and that's money that's in the bank.
He's going to come and do it, and he'll do a great job, and he'll build the best centers in the country, I guarantee, because I know the way he bills.
Since my election, the stock market has set records.
The S&P 500 index has broken above 6,000 points for the first time ever, never even close.
In a single month, small business optimism soared 41 points.
It's not a 41. It went up 41 points.
And that's the largest in the 39-year history of the group that does it.
According to Gallup, the American people's confidence in the economy has just surged.
To the highest level in history.
That's why I have a news conference like that.
I take the greatest business leaders in the world.
I say, hey, do you want to say you're going to invest the money?
They're not looking for news conferences.
They're saying, what am I doing here?
They go in and they invest money.
But it's good to know where the smartest business people in the world are investing, and they're investing in the United States.
So we've done this all in two months of not being there.
You know, we haven't been there.
It's pretty amazing, and we think we're going to do some really great things, really great things.
We're being respected again all over the world.
The Panama Canal is a disgrace, what took place at the Panama Canal.
Jimmy Carter gave it to them for $1, and they were supposed to treat us well.
I thought it was a terrible thing to do.
It was the most expensive structure ever built in the history of our country, relatively.
It would be the equivalent of substantially over a trillion dollars today.
We lost 38,000 people.
Think of it.
38,000 people, they died from malaria.
Mosquitoes.
They were unable to stop the mosquitoes.
They paid people five times more to take the job.
Many of those people died.
We gave it away for a dollar.
But the deal was that...
You know, they have to treat us fairly.
They don't treat us fairly.
They charge more for our ships than they charge for ships of other countries.
They charge more for our Navy than they charge for navies of other countries.
They laugh at us because they think we're stupid, but we're not stupid anymore.
So the Panama Canal is under discussion with them right now.
They violated every aspect of the agreement, and they morally violated it also.
And they want our help because it's leaking and not in good repair.
And they want us to give $3 billion to help fix it.
I said, well, why don't you get the money from China?
Because China's basically taking it over.
China's at both ends of the Panama Canal.
China's running the Panama Canal.
And they come to see this Biden, this guy who should never have been allowed even to run for president.
Of course, she shouldn't have either, because that never happened.
It had to be two people, not one.
But they want $3 billion to fix the Panama Canal that's run by China and makes a lot of money, China.
One of the most profitable structures ever built, because you have ships lined up back to Florida, frankly, and they just keep going through, and the numbers are staggering, half a million to a million dollars a ship.
And they took it away from us.
Meaning we gave it to them for a dollar.
But not going to happen.
What they've done to us, they've overcharged our ships, overcharged our Navy.
And then when they need repair money, they come to the United States to put it up.
We get nothing.
Those days are over.
Working with the Republican majorities in Congress will cut taxes, slash regulations, raise wages, and boost incomes at a pace the world has not seen before.
And certainly not from our country.
We had a big chunk of it for the first three years prior to COVID coming in.
In my administration, we had the greatest economy in history.
We cut the most regulations in the history of our country.
And I did that all in four years.
By four times more than any other president cut, we did that in four years.
And we were just getting started.
We'll impose new tariffs so that the products on our stores will once again be stamped with those beautiful words made in the USA. And we are not treated well, as you know, by Canada.
Canada is subsidized to the tune of about $200 billion a year, plus other things.
They don't essentially have a military.
They have a very small military.
They rely on our military.
It's all fine, but...
You know, they've got to pay for that.
It's very unfair.
I have so many great friends.
One of them is the great one, Wayne Gretzky.
I said, run for prime minister.
You'll win in a...
It'll take two seconds.
But he said, well, am I going to run for prime minister or governor?
You tell me.
I said, I don't know.
Let's make it governor.
I like it better.
But no, something's going to have to be done.
Same thing with Mexico.
We have a massive deficit with Mexico.
And we help Mexico a lot.
They're essentially run by the cartels.
And can't let that happen.
Mexico's really in trouble.
A lot of trouble.
Very dangerous place.
And we're going to be announcing at a future date pretty soon we're going to change because we do most of the work there and it's ours.
We're going to be changing sort of the opposite of Biden where he's...
Closing everything up, essentially getting rid of $50 to $60 trillion worth of assets.
We're going to be changing the name of the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America, which has a beautiful ring that covers a lot of territory.
The Gulf of America.
What a beautiful name.
And it's appropriate.
It's appropriate.
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And Mexico has to stop allowing millions of people to pour into our country.
They can stop them.
And we're going to put very serious tariffs on Mexico and Canada, because Canada, they come through Canada too, and the drugs that are coming through are at record numbers, record numbers.
So we're going to make up for that by putting tariffs on Mexico and Canada.
Substantial tariffs.
And we want to get along with everybody, but, you know, it takes two to tango.
We're approaching the dawn of America's golden age.
It's going to be a golden age for America.
We have things that nobody else has.
We have more natural resources.
We have number one.
Nobody knew that until I came along.
I made us number one.
We're number three.
I made us number one in a very short period of time in drilling.
And you know, you can talk about windmills.
They litter our country.
They're littered all over our country, like dropping paper, like dropping garbage in a field.
And that's what happens to them, because in a period of time, they turn to garbage.
Most expensive energy ever.
They only work if you get subsidy.
The only people that want them are the people that are getting rich off windmills, getting massive subsidies from the U.S. government.
And it's the most expensive energy there is.
It's many, many times more expensive than clean natural gas.
So we're going to try and have a policy where no windmills are being built.
You know, off the coast of New Jersey, they want to build like 200 windmills.
The people are going crazy.
Nobody wants them.
And they're very expensive.
They don't work without subsidy.
You don't want energy that needs subsidy.
Energy is a good business.
You don't need subsidy.
But when you build these massive towers...
25 stories tall, 40 stories.
They have 170 stories tall.
The blades, they take three ships to ship them.
It's crazy.
They're dangerous.
You see what's happening up in the Massachusetts area with the whales, where they had two whales wash ashore at, I think, a 17-year period.
And now they had 14 this season.
The windmills are driving the whales crazy, obviously.
And they had actually over, I think, 125 or something over a number of years.
And we don't want that to happen.
It's a disaster.
It's amazing the way a true environmentalist would say, oh, we love wind.
It sounds good, but that's about where it ends.
You know, after 10 years, you have to redo them.
And what happens is they don't do that.
They let them stand and they rust and they say, because of the environment, I'm not a believer in this, but they say you can because it's a certain fiberglass.
That the blades cannot be buried in Earth.
That that's an environment.
So what do you do with them?
What do you do with them?
And I don't know if you've ever gone to Palm Springs, California, or any of these places where you have long-term windmills standing.
They're a disaster.
They're rusting, rotting, closed, falling down.
This is as you enter Palm Springs.
And they put new ones next to them because nobody wants to take them down, because why should they take them down?
It's very expensive to take them down.
And you can't do anything with them because the blades, you can't bury them because of the environmental protection.
We'll look at that.
Doesn't make sense, but that's what they say.
So we are at the beginning of a great, beautiful golden age of business.
And I think we're also at a golden age of common sense.
because everything I'm saying to you, from a simple water faucet that doesn't allow water to come out appropriately to all of the other elements of what we do and what we're going to do, to take $50 to $60 trillion off our to take $50 to $60 trillion off our country's balance sheet because some man that has no idea what he's doing has no idea.
You know it.
I know it.
The Democrats know it.
What they did is a crime by allowing that to happen.
And I'll bet you if you asked him today how much acreage...
Did you submit?
Essentially, did you destroy?
You destroyed the economic viability of drilling in the ocean.
And with AI coming along and all, you know, a lot of people don't realize that AI is going to be a big thing, but you'll need double the electricity, at least, that we have right now.
So right now we produce electricity for many, many different things.
AI is a very big deal in terms of the future.
China is already building electric facilities, big, bold electric facilities.
And you know how they're being fired up?
With coal.
They're being fired up with coal.
And we're going to build bigger and better ones.
People like Hussein, that are doing the same thing as he is, I'll bet they don't do it as well, because I know how he does it, but they're doing...
A lot of things.
The problem is they can't get their permits because I say build the plant with the building.
So with the structure, build the plant because if you go into grid, the grids are old.
So they said, that's a great idea.
In other words, build your electric facility alongside of your plant.
And you could have extra output if you want because once you build it, you can make it larger pretty inexpensively.
You could have extra output which you'll sell to the public.
But build it with the plant and people are loving that idea.
So we're going to have...
A lot of fun making America great again.
And it's going to happen, I think, very, very quickly.
It's already happened.
So I would say this, and this has been pretty openly reported by the news.
There's never been anything like what's happened in the last...
Since we won the election, a couple of months, since we won the election, the whole perception of the whole world is different.
People from other countries have called me.
They said, thank you.
Thank you.
The perception of the whole world is different.
We're going to have to settle some big problems that are going on right now.
We're going to have to settle up with Russia, Ukraine.
That's a disaster.
I look at numbers every week.
The number of people being killed in that war.
People don't know.
Mostly soldiers now.
But the towns have been obliterated.
This was a Biden fiasco that he got us.
That should have never happened.
If we had a real president, if we had a president that knew what he was doing, Russia would have never, ever gone in.
But they did go in, and we have a mess.
The cities are all blown up.
The people have largely left.
And the soldiers are killing each other at levels that haven't been seen since the Second World War.
So we'll have to get that one straightened out, too.
That's a tough one.
Much tougher than it would have been before it started, I can tell you that.
A deal could have been made just by an average dealmaker.
A deal could have been made on that.
So thank you all for coming.
We'll take a couple of questions.
Go ahead, please.
I wanted to touch on the world on fire that you mentioned, but let's start, if we could, with your references to Greenland and the Panama Canal and so forth.
Can you assure the world that as you try to get control of these areas, you are not going to use military or economic coercion?
No.
And can you tell us a little bit about what your plan is?
Are you going to negotiate a new treaty?
Are you going to ask the Canadians to hold a vote?
What is the strategy?
I can't assure you.
You're talking about Panama and Greenland.
No, I can't assure you on either of those two.
But I can say this.
We need them for economic security.
The Panama Canal was built for our military.
I'm not going to commit to that now.
It might be that you'll have to do something.
Look, the Panama Canal is vital to our country.
It's being operated by China.
China!
And we gave the Panama Canal to Panama.
We didn't give it to China.
And they've abused it.
They've abused that gift.
It should have never been made, by the way.
Giving the Panama Canal is why Jimmy Carter lost the election, in my opinion, more so maybe than the hostages.
The hostages were a big deal.
But if you remember, and nobody wants to talk about the Panama Canal because, you know, it's inappropriate, I guess, but because it's a bad part of...
Of the Carter legacy, but he was a good man.
Look, he was a good man.
I knew him a little bit, and he was a very fine person, but that was a big mistake.
Giving the Panama Canal to Panama was a very big mistake.
We lost 38,000 people.
It cost us the equivalent of a trillion dollars, maybe more than that, probably the most expensive, they say it was the most expensive structure, if we call it a structure, which I guess you can, ever built.
Giving that away was a horrible thing.
And I believe that's why Jimmy Carter lost the election, even more so than the hostages.
Those two things.
If I just follow up on Ukraine and Iran, the two negotiations you'll be heading into.
On Ukraine, you said just before it's a lot more complicated now.
Much more complicated.
Do you believe...
Because it would have never started.
Right.
But it has started.
Well, not only started, the cities are largely knocked down.
So you've got what you've got.
At this point...
To hold on to leverage in dealing with President Putin, would you make a commitment to the Ukrainians that you will keep supporting them during the negotiations?
Well, I wouldn't tell you if that were the case.
And would you make a commitment to provide a security guarantee if they do enter into an armistice or a ceasefire along the lines of the French and the Germans?
So, you know, a big part of the problem was Russia for many, many years, long before Putin said you could never have NATO. And
it turned out to be a very bad war.
And it could escalate.
That war could escalate.
To be much worse than it is right now.
Well, my view is that it was always understood.
In fact, I believe that they had a deal and then Biden broke it.
They had a deal, which would have been a satisfactory deal to Ukraine and everybody else, but that Biden said, no, you have to be able to join NATO. And that's always been, and nobody knows more about NATO than I, you know, years ago when I first started this, I didn't know too much about NATO, but I got it right anyway.
I said they're taking advantage.
I'm the one that got, and the Secretary General was here, as you know, two weeks ago, saying that if it weren't for me, NATO wouldn't even exist right now because I raised from countries that weren't paying their bills.
At that time, 28 countries, 20 of them were not paying their bills, 21 to be exact.
They weren't paying, or they were paying a very small portion.
And I raised over $680 billion, that was the number he gave, by saying, If you don't pay, we're not going to protect you.
And as soon as I said that, the money came pouring in.
But Obama could have said it.
Other people could have said it.
Bush could have said it.
Nobody said it but me.
I took a lot of heat.
They said, oh, that's a threatening statement.
Well, they weren't paying their bills.
I said, we're not going to protect you if you're not paying the bills.
So, in a true sense, I saved NATO, but NATO's taken advantage of us.
And one of the problems that I have, and I've said it openly, I said it to President Zelensky, Europe...
is in for a tiny fraction of the money that we're in.
Now, whether you like that situation or not, Europe is much more affected than the United States.
We have a thing called the ocean in between us, right?
Why are we in for billions and billions of dollars more money than Europe?
And, you know, they're a similar size, a little smaller, but they're a similar size economy as the United States when you add them up.
And yet, Europe is in for a...
A small fraction of the number the United States is in.
Now, Biden could have called them up during the term.
That's what I did.
I said, you have to pay your bills.
And they all...
One stood up.
I won't say who.
You'll probably have it.
Because the papers...
The media hated to report on it.
But a prime minister stood up from a country.
You know, a famous meeting of 28 nations with no press, no anybody in the room.
He stood up.
He says, does that mean...
If we don't pay our bill, and at that point it was 2%, it should be 5%, it should be 5%, not 2%, but at that point it was 2%, but many people didn't pay.
Some people didn't pay anything, but many people were away, including Germany.
Germany was at less than 1%.
Well, I think NATO should have 5%, yeah.
Well, you can't do it at 2%.
I mean, at 2%, every country, if you're going to have a country in a regular military, you're at 4%.
I think they should be, you know, they're in dangerous territory.
I think you should be, they can all afford it, but they should be at 5%, not 2%.
I'm the one that got them to pay 2%.
But a gentleman stood up, a prime minister stood up, and he said to me, sir, could I ask you a question?
You're saying we have to pay our bills.
If we don't pay our bills, will the United States protect us from Russia?
I said, if you don't pay, you mean you're delinquent?
He said, yes.
He said, if you're delinquent, we will not protect you.
I took a lot of heat.
Although it was somewhat closed door, I took a lot of heat from the media.
And you know what happened?
The money started pouring in.
That's why NATO has money.
And the Secretary General said it was the most incredible thing he had ever seen in a negotiation.
Now, if I would have said, yes, we will, nobody would have...
I would have loved to say, yes, we'll protect you even if you don't pay.
But that's not the way life works.
Two questions related to each other.
First, you said on your first day of office you're going to pardon January 6th defendants.
Are you planning to pardon those who were charged with violent offenses?
Well, we're looking at it, and we have other people in there.
And as you see, I guess 24 or 28 people came now from the FBI. That came out very quietly.
Nobody reported it, but they had people in some form related to the FBI. They had four or five people that were strongly related to the FBI. We have to find out about that.
We have to find out about Hezbollah.
We have to find out about who exactly was in that whole thing, because people that did some bad things were not prosecuted.
You know, I see it all the time, and you see it too.
People that were doing some bad things weren't prosecuted, and people that didn't even walk into the building are in jail right now.
So we'll be looking at the whole thing, but I'll be making major pardons.
Yes, please.
Please.
On Jack Smith's report...
Good afternoon, Mr. President.
It's good to see you again.
Two questions about Syria and the ongoing war in Gaza.
About Syria, the Pentagon disclosed last month the U.S. has some 2,000 troops in Syria.
That's almost double the number initially, we were told, of 900. Will you keep that troop capacity the same upon taking...
Well, I won't tell you that because it's part of a military strategy, but I will say it was Turkey.
Turkey's been after that...
Country in different names and different forms and shapes for 2,000 years.
Those people that went in are from Turkey.
And President Erdogan is a friend of mine.
He's a guy I like, respect.
I think he respects me also.
He's the one that didn't go after certain people after I requested that he not.
You know who I'm talking about?
The Kurds.
I don't know how long that's going, because they're natural enemies.
They hate each other.
But he didn't do that yet.
And he didn't do it in the past also.
He started, and I said, please don't do that, and he didn't do it.
But if you look at what happened with Syria, Russia was weakened, Iran was weakened, and he's a very smart guy.
And he sent his people in there through different forms and different names, and they went in and they took over, and that's the way it is.
Do you have concerns about HTS taking control?
By the way, I have the envoy here.
Is that in the back?
It is.
Standing with my son, Eric, is Steve Woodcoff, who's just got back from the Middle East, and he's done a fantastic job.
He's a great dealmaker.
I said, what we need there is a dealmaker, because nobody makes a deal.
We have people that understand where the rivers are and where the meets and bounds are, but they can't talk.
They can't make deals.
Steve's done a great job.
I just want to thank you, Steve.
You've been working endlessly for months, and he's working specifically on the hostages, trying to get them back.
Steve, come up for a second.
Maybe you might want to say a couple of words.
I didn't know Steve was going to be here, actually.
He's done a fantastic job, and it's a dangerous job, too, and we appreciate it.
He didn't know about this kind of danger in the other deal-making he does.
Now he sees a lot of big danger.
Come on up, Steve.
Mr. President, can I ask you a second part of that?
Just one second, please.
I'm going to give you a little report on the hostages, if I can.
Steve?
Thank you very much.
Thank you, Mr. President.
Wow.
Well, I think we're making a lot of progress.
And I don't want to say too much because...
I think they're doing a really good job back in Doha.
I'm leaving tomorrow back to go to Doha.
But I think that we've had some really great progress, and I'm really hopeful that by the inaugural, we'll have some good things to announce on behalf of the president.
I actually believe that we're working in tandem in a really good way, but it's the president, his reputation, the things that he has said.
That are driving this negotiation.
And so hopefully it'll all work out and we'll save some lives.
I believe we've been on the verge of it.
I don't want to discuss sort of what's delayed it.
There's no point to be negative in any way.
But I think it's the president, his stature, what he said he expects, the red lines he's put out there.
That's driving this negotiation.
I'm going back probably either this evening or tomorrow night.
Are you confident it will be a deal before January 20th, or is that something that's likely to happen?
If there's a deal even at all, and we've been hearing this now for the better part of this.
I know.
I would say...
They better be.
Right.
I would say that the president is exasperated.
I don't want to talk for him, but look...
I don't know anyone who delegates better than President Trump.
He gives us a lot of authority to speak on his behalf, and he exhorts us to speak emphatically.
And emphatically means, you better do this, because the alternative...
Do you think they're waiting for President Trump to take office?
No.
I think they heard him loud and clear.
Better get done by the inaugural.
But when you say, I'll help you take office.
All hell must be paid if they don't release the hostages.
Do I have to define it for you?
All hell will break out.
If those hostages aren't back, I don't want to hurt your negotiation.
If they're not back by the time I get into office, all hell will break out in the Middle East.
And it will not be good for Hamas, and it will not be good, frankly, for anyone.
All hell will break out.
I don't have to say anymore, but that's what it is.
And they should have given them back a long time.
They should have never taken them.
There should have never been the attack of October 7th.
People forget that.
But there was.
And many people are killed.
They're no longer hostages.
I have people from Israel and others calling, begging me to get...
You know, we had also people there from the United States, just so you know.
They're holding some so-called hostages from the U.S. But I've had mothers come to me and fathers crying.
Can I get the body of their son back?
Can I get the body of their daughter back?
That beautiful girl where they threw her in the car, pulled her by her ponytail and threw her in the car like she was a sack of potatoes.
I said, what happened to her?
Sir, she's dead.
Like a 19, 20-year-old beautiful girl.
And the way they treated her.
And I just say this very simply.
Steve's got a job to do.
He's a great guy, great negotiator, great person.
They respect him over there already.
It's what we needed over there.
We have people that know everything about the Middle East, but they can't speak properly.
They don't know.
He's a great negotiator.
That's what I needed.
I could have sent that gentleman right over there, Hussein.
He's a great negotiator.
They're people.
They're rare.
Great negotiators are very rare, like a great surgeon.
But we have the right person.
But I tell this, I don't want to hurt the negotiation.
If the deal isn't done before I take office, which is now going to be two weeks.
All hell will break out in the Middle East.
Thank you, Mr. President.
You've done a great job.
Thank you.
Mr. President, more than 140 police officers were injured by rioters on January 6th.
Will you pardon anyone who attacked a police officer?
Well, you know, the only one that was killed was a beautiful young lady named Ashley Babbitt.
She was killed.
And there was actually somebody else that was killed, also a MAGA person.
But people...
Don't give it 100% credibility.
I'm going to find out about it.
We're going to find out.
But Ashley Babbitt was killed.
She was shot.
She had never been shot.
She was shot for no reason whatsoever.
In fact, they say that she was trying to hold back the crowd.
And the crowd was made up of a lot of different people, so we'll see.
But I will tell you this.
The person that was killed was Ashley Babbitt.
The other thing is...
When they talk, you know, there was never charges of insurrection or anything like that.
But if there were, this would be the only insurrection in history where people went in as insurrectionists with not one gun.
Okay?
And let me tell you, the people that you're talking about have a lot of guns in their home for hunting and for shooting and for entertainment, a lot of good reasons.
But there wasn't one gun that they found.
And why didn't they find the bomber, the pipe bomber?
You know, they know who the pipe bomber is.
The FBI knows who it is.
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The status of the FBI has gone down so far, and the status of the DOJ, or as I call it, the Department of Justice, it's the Department of Justice, being laughed at all over the world.
And hopefully with Pam Bondi and with Kash Patel and with other people that we're putting in, that will all come back.
Agents of the FBI. But they have hurt, hurt that incredible place.
Law enforcement.
I mean, you think of the FBI. They raided this house.
By the way, they could have told me, could I see this guy?
I would have given him my...
I actually told them, come in anytime you want.
You could see anything.
They raided the House, and the case was dismissed.
And now I'm in litigation.
I'm suing them for doing that.
And I feel so badly doing it.
I'm the President of the United States, and I'm suing the United States, but I'm suing them for other things, too.
The FBI has gone so...
Its reputation has been so horribly hurt.
Between Comey, who is...
And I'm not allowed...
Why?
Because if I did speak, people would understand the scam.
It's a scam.
And we have very dishonest judges, and New York judges are very bad.
We had one that valued this house at $18 million because it was good for that case.
He actually valued it.
That chandelier is worth more than $18 million.
He valued this house at $18 million.
And we have another one who was so nasty, so horrible, such a brute.
The most vicious, vile person.
These are New York judges.
But we've won most of the cases, so we're very happy about that.
Please.
Back on Greenland.
Your position is clear.
But have you directed your staff to take any specific actions to drop plans?
And can you elaborate again?
You didn't rule out military coercion.
Well, we need Greenland for...
National security purposes.
I've been told that for a long time, long before I even ran.
I mean, people have been talking about it for a long time.
You have approximately 45,000 people there.
People really don't even know if Denmark has any legal right to it.
But if they do, they should give it up because we need it for national security.
That's for the free world.
I'm talking about protecting the free world.
You look at...
You don't even need binoculars.
You look outside, you have China ships all over the place.
You have Russian ships all over the place.
We're not letting that happen.
We're not letting it happen.
And if Denmark wants to get to a conclusion, but nobody knows if they even have any right title or interest.
The people are going to probably vote for independence or to come into the United States.
But if they did do that, then I would tariff Denmark at a very high level.
Have you asked your staff to draw up plans for acquisition?
No, we're not at that stage, but we have people.
I haven't even entered office yet.
Secondly, sir, Elon Musk has drawn some criticism and a lot of attention for some of his actions and provocative statements about foreign affairs, including in Europe.
Your reaction to that, is that appropriate for him?
You mean where he likes people that tended to be conservative?
I don't know the people.
I can say Elon's doing a good job.
Very smart guy.
I don't know the people you're talking about.
I know he said some negative things about a couple of people that are running for office.
That's not so unusual.
Yes, please.
I wanted to ask you about Ukraine and Putin.
How soon do you anticipate going to meet with Putin to discuss the Ukraine situation?
Well, I can't tell you that, but I know that Putin would like to meet.
I don't think it's appropriate that I meet until after the 20th, which I hate, because, you know, every day people are being — many, many young people are being killed, soldiers.
You know, the land is very flat.
And hundreds of thousands of soldiers from each, many hundreds of thousands from each side are dead.
And they're laying in fields all over the place.
Nobody to even collect.
There's landmines all over.
It's a disaster.
But it's very flat.
It's great.
It's farmland.
And it's very, very flat.
And the only thing that stops a bullet is the human body.
And the human body is stopping a lot of bullets.
I hope to have...
Six months.
No, I would think, I hope, long before six months.
Look, Russia's losing a lot of young people, and so is Ukraine.
And it should have never been started.
That's a war that should have never happened.
I guarantee you, if I were president, that war would have never happened.
What would you like to nominate to replace Michael Barr as vice chair of the bill of board?
I'll be announcing somebodies.
Mr. President, if you were under the assumption that you're serious about making Canada the 51st state of the United States, the leader of the Conservative Party in Canada said, under no circumstances, he'll never be the 51st state.
Maybe he won't win, but maybe he will.
Listen, I don't care what he says.
You said you were considering military force to acquire Panama and Greenland.
Are you also considering military force to annex and acquire Panama?
No.
Economic force.
Because Canada and the United States, that would really be something.
You get rid of that artificially drawn line, and you take a look at what that looks like, and it would also be much better for national security.
Don't forget, we basically protect Canada.
But here's the problem with Canada.
So many friends up there.
I love the Canadian people.
They're great.
But we're spending hundreds of billions a year to protect it.
We're spending hundreds of billions a year to take care of Canada.
We lose in trade deficits.
We're losing mass.
We don't need their cars.
You know, they make 20 percent of our cars.
We don't need that.
I'd rather make them in Detroit.
We don't need the cars.
We don't need their lumber.
We have massive fields of lumber.
We don't need their lumber.
We have to unrestrict them because stupid people put, you know, restrictions on.
But I can do that with an executive order.
We don't need anything they have.
We don't need their dairy products.
We have more than they have.
We don't need anything.
So why are we losing $200 billion a year and more to protect Canada?
And I said that to, as I called him, Governor Trudeau.
I said, listen, what would happen if we didn't subsidize you?
Because we give them a lot of money.
We help them.
As an example, we're buying icebreakers.
And Canada wants to join us in the buying of icebreakers.
I said, you know, we don't really...
Want to have a partner in the buying of icebreakers?
We don't need a partner.
No right.
Nope.
No right.
Here's what we have.
We have a right not to help them with their financial difficulties because we owe $36 trillion.
We're going to start knocking it out pretty fast, but we're going to be able to do it because of energy and other things.
But no, no.
No right.
No, no.
No right.
But why are we supporting a country?
$200 billion plus a year.
Our military is at their disposal.
All of these other things.
They should be a state.
That's why I told Trudeau when he came down.
I said, what would happen if we didn't do it?
He said Canada would dissolve.
Canada wouldn't be able to function if we didn't take their 20% of our car market.
You know, we, again, they send us hundreds of thousands of cars.
They make a lot of money with that.
They send us a lot of other things that we don't need.
We don't need their cars.
We don't need the other products.
We don't need their milk.
We got a lot of milk.
We got a lot of everything.
And we don't need any of it.
So I said to him, well, why are we doing it?
He said, I don't really know.
He was unable to answer the question.
But I can answer it.
We're doing it because of habit.
And we're doing it because we like our neighbors.
And we've been good neighbors.
But we can't do it forever.
And it's a tremendous amount of money.
And why should we have a $200 billion deficit?
And add on to that many, many other things that we give them in terms of subsidy.
And I said, that's okay to have if you're a state.
But if you're another country, we don't want to have it.
We're not going to have it with European Union either.
European Union, we have a trade deficit of $350 billion.
They don't take our cars.
They don't take our farm product.
They don't take anything.
And so...
We're not going to have it with them either.
Brian, go ahead.
Yes.
Happy New Year, by the way.
Thank you.
We have some breaking news.
You may not be aware of this, but it looks like Cannon has blocked the DOJ from releasing the Smiths report until further court proceedings.
Get your thoughts on that.
Well, that's a big story.
Yeah.
So, if I get it right, the fake witch hunt started by the DOJ. Having to do with books and records, and Biden had many more, and he wasn't protected by the Presidential Records Act, I was.
But all of that fake stuff that took the lives of people, I mean, literally destroyed people.
People are destroyed because of what they did.
Destroyed.
But we got to be president.
But Biden did it for 40 years.
He did it when he was a senator.
That was illegal.
And they ruled it was illegal.
How about that?
They said, It's illegal, but he's unfit to stand trial.
So he can stand and be president of the United States, but the prosecutor found that he's unfit for trial.
I was going to use that as a major talking point, but I never got to use it because all of a sudden I had a new candidate who was also sort of unfit to stand trial, right?
So what you're saying is that the judge just blocked the...
So Cannon was thrown off the case.
They dropped their appeal because he had no case.
They dropped all of that, the lawsuits against us.
They lost the lawsuit.
So this is Doreen Jack Smith.
So he dropped the lawsuits.
He was told to by the DOJ because they had no lawsuit.
They lost in court in front of a very strong and a very brilliant judge.
They lost in court.
And that pertained to other cases in other courts.
So he wanted to do a report just before I take office, probably.
So he'll do like a 500-page report, and it'll be a fake report, just like the investigation was a fake investigation.
And I said, well, wait a minute.
This guy was thrown off in disgrace.
In disgrace.
He's gone back to The Hague or wherever they're going to send him.
In disgrace.
Because he failed so badly.
Because it was a fake case against a political opponent.
They thought they were going to use this to beat me.
What you're saying is, and I'm just hearing that, that they're not allowed to issue the report.
So if they're not allowed to issue the report, that's the way it should be.
Because he was thrown off the case in disgrace.
Why should he be allowed to write a fake report?
It'll only be a fake report.
That's great news.
Good.
And if I can just follow up real quickly, you want to comment?
Many Americans are angry that we're sending millions of dollars every month to the Taliban.
Do you anticipate?
It's not even believable.
Billions of dollars, not millions, billions.
We pay billions of dollars to, essentially, the Taliban, Afghanistan.
And that's given by Biden.
That's the same man that took away $50 to $60 trillion worth of value from the United States.
Think of it.
Probably our most valuable asset.
Took away our most valuable asset.
This can't be allowed to happen.
We are now a nation of common sense.
When he does that 625 million acres, this can't be allowed to happen.
Thank you for the information.
Most other people probably knew about it, but they wouldn't have told me, right?
Mr. President, on the campaign trail, you vowed to bring down the prices at grocery stores very fast.
Yeah, we won't do it fast.
But then you recently told Time Magazine that bringing down prices would be very hard.
So what can the American people expect when you get into offices?
It's always hard to bring down prices when somebody else has screwed something up like they did before.
But we'll bring them down.
We'll get them down.
Energy is going to bring down prices.
We're going to have a lot of energy.
And energy is what brought it up.
Energy and their bad spending is what brought it up.
And energy is going to bring it down.
We're going to have prices down.
I think you're going to see some pretty drastic price reductions.
As an example, food, bacon, ham, apples, everything has gone through the roof.
It's one of the reasons I won.
So, as you know, as I said, inflation was one of the reasons I won.
But I think the biggest reason I won was the fact that they are allowing prisoners to come into our country.
They released their prisoners, their murderers.
Thousands of murderers are now walking around the streets of our cities and farmland all over.
Murderers.
People that have killed.
Many.
32% have killed more than one person.
They released them from their jails, their prisons, and their mental institutions and insane asylums into our country.
I believe that's the reason we got such a large vote.
Maybe one or two more questions.
Yeah, please.
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
Can we?
You go.
President Carter is laying in state today in Washington.
You had some harsh words for him about the Panama Canal.
Is there any disconnect there?
Do you feel a little bit bad about doing that on this day?
No, look, I liked him as a man.
I disagreed with his policy.
So, hey, he thought giving away the Panama Canal was a good thing.
I think it cost him the election.
That and the hostages.
I actually think that was a bigger factor because that's a deal that just should not have been made.
But, again, this was a question that was asked of me.
I didn't bring it up.
I didn't want to bring up the Panama Canal.
Because of Jimmy Carter's death.
But people don't bring it up.
But, you know, you and other people have asked me about it.
No, it's a deal that I was very strongly against.
I was a young guy when this took place.
But just why would we spend all of that money, lose 38,000 people to malaria, the mosquito?
They were dying.
It was horrible what was happening.
They paid them four times more than they would make in the United States.
But they knew they were going to go over there and die.
And they died in the jungles of malaria.
There was nothing we could do to stop it.
And then we gave it away for $1.
On your agenda through Congress, you appeared to open the door in your radio interview yesterday for two-bill approaches.
It's still your preference for one big, beautiful bill, as you have said.
Well, I like one big, beautiful bill, and I always have, I always will.
But if two is more certain, it does go a little bit quicker because you can do the immigration stuff early.
Now, you have to understand, for immigration and for the wall, we won the case on the wall.
You know, they tried to sell the wall for five cents on the dollar, by the way.
In other words, double what we paid for it.
So they were going to buy it from this guy for five cents in the dollar.
They were making deals.
Unfortunately, we had a very smart judge that stopped it cold.
I think he called for an investigation, too, and he should.
But think of it.
They were selling the wall that was exactly the wall that the Border Patrol wanted.
That was designed by them.
Steel, concrete, rebar.
Exactly as they want.
Very, very heavy steel.
Very powerful steel.
Hard to cut.
Very, very heavy 7,000-pound concrete, which is a very strong concrete.
Everything was top of the line.
Very expensive.
Would be double what we paid for it then, six years ago.
But let me just tell you, they were selling it for 5 cents on the dollar to people, and those people were calling us, asking us to pay them 200 cents, because it's a good deal because we can have it immediately.
And you know what immediately is?
Just leave it in place.
No, no.
The papers haven't written that, though.
That deal is like all the other things that these people do.
These people either hate our country or they're very stupid.
And I don't believe they're stupid, because nobody can cheat on elections like they cheat and be stupid.
They either hate our country or they're stupid.
So remember what I said, because nobody wants to report it.
They were selling the wall for five cents on the dollar.
And trying to resell it back to us for 200 cents or less, but for 200 cents on the dollar.
That's a nice return.
I watched their news conference, and I thought it was a very good news conference.
Honestly, I think they've come a long way.
Meta.
Facebook.
I think they've come a long way.
I watched it.
The man was very impressive.
I watched it.
Actually, I watched it on Fox.
I'm not allowed to say that.
Say it.
Do you think he's directly responding to the threats that you have made to him in the past?
Probably.
The last time you were here, you were asked a question about the U.S. possibly launching a preemptive strike on Iran.
You said you wouldn't answer that question.
On who?
On Iran.
The U.S. launching a preemptive strike on Iran's nuclear facilities.
And I said, I don't talk about it.
It's a military strategy.
But it is a legitimate question.
Well, it's not really, because only a stupid person would answer it.
Look, it's a military strategy, and I'm not answering your questions on military strategy.
All right, one more.
Brian, go ahead.
Could you give us a preview of what you might be talking to leaders of Congress who expected to come here in the next couple of days, and you've got a very supportive Congress behind you?
They're great.
So we have a wonderful Republican Congress.
We have a leader that I have a lot of confidence in.
I think he's going to be, hopefully, a great leader, a great speaker.
And we have a leader, by the way, in the Senate, I think, has been great.
John Thune has been doing a fantastic job.
But it goes through the House first.
And the question is whether or not we do the two bills, the one bill.
And, you know, look, I can live either way.
I like the idea of the one big bill, but I can live either way.
But they'll be coming down.
The senators also will be coming down.
And then ultimately we'll be meeting in the White House in a few weeks.
But right now this is the winter season.
You know, they sort of call this the Winter White House.
It was built.
I don't know if you know this.
Marjorie Merriweather Post and E.F. Hutton built this.
It was the greatest of all the estates in our country.
And I saved it, and I got a lot of credit for saving it.
Most of these big, great houses have been knocked down in Palm Beach.
Just about all of them, actually.
And, you know, you build ten mansions on one site.
But we saved it.
But this was built as the Southern White House.
And she gave it to the government.
And, by the way, Jimmy Carter gave it back.
He said it's too expensive for the United States.
So I didn't realize that.
I was just told...
Actually, Jimmy Carter, Nixon was through Watergate.
He came down.
Nixon came here once, and he thought it was incredible, but he had a thing called Watergate, if anybody remembers that, in his mind, to put it mildly.
And Jimmy Carter felt that it was too extravagant for the country.
So fortunately for me, he gave it back to the foundation and I bought it from the foundation.
On reconciliation, some Republicans say in trade for a massive bill that you and they shared the interest in, they want to see big spending cuts.
Do you agree with that?
Well, I'm OK with spending cuts.
I like spending cuts.
I'm on the record for spending cuts.
And the debt ceiling was given to us.
It shouldn't have been, but it was put in our lap.
And what I want in terms of debt ceiling isn't the ceiling.
I just don't want to see a default.
That's all I want.
I never talked about spending more money, necessarily, than all I want to see is no default.
Because nobody knows what would happen if there was a default.
It could be 1929, and it could be nothing.
But that was put into our lap.
And it shouldn't have been, but it was.
And so we'll handle it.
But debt ceiling is not about raising a lot of money.
It's really just about extending it.
I just want to see an extension.
Sir, on immigration.
How much can you do by executive order?
Are you planning to do on executive order when it comes to immigration?
And how much do you want Congress to tackle this issue?
And also on day one...
Well, I have the safest border in the history of our country by far.
You remember the famous chart that I brought down.
I love that chart very much for a lot of reasons.
But I have the safest border.
By far, in the history of our country.
And when I took it over, it was a mess.
Nothing like it is now.
This is ten times worse.
I got elected because of the border the first time.
And I think I got elected largely because of the border the third time.
And the second time, I did equally well.
Well, not as well as the last time, but I did very well.
And I will say, this was too big to rig.
You know the expression?
Too big to rig.
They couldn't do it.
They tried, but they couldn't do it.
I didn't get...
Very much from Congress at all.
I just said that we're being invaded, and I took the money out of the military.
Much of the wall, I built over 500 miles of wall.
Much of that wall was built through money that I put into the military.
We took it out because we couldn't get things from Congress in those days, and we took it out.
And that wall was built largely with money coming from the military.
So, very simple.
I went to the military, I said, our country is being invaded.
By very similar, nothing like what's invading our country now.
They weren't releasing prisons into our country, and they weren't releasing mental institutions in, but some bad dudes were coming in, right?
And I said, our country is being invaded.
And I took that money largely from the military.
I was sued nine times by the Democrats in Congress, and I won all those suits.
And we ended up building 571 miles of wall.
Once that wall was built...
They start going around it.
So we're going to add another 200. That would have been up in three weeks.
And then we had a very unfortunate election result.
And they said, we don't want to put it up.
We'll sell it.
And they started selling it for five cents on the dollar.
So we'll do this again.
I just want to thank everybody very much.
I'm just telling you, this will be the golden age of America.
This is the golden age of America.
We're going to have a great country again.
We're a country right now under siege.
We have so many different problems.
And nobody respects us overseas, but now they do.
The Italian prime minister, as you know, came here the other night, just flew in and flew out.
She wanted to see me.
And great respect is being shown when I went to the cathedral in France.
Great respect was shown by the prime minister, the president, by everybody.
France was...
And by the way, I have to say they did a great job in the cathedral.
But great respect is being shown to our country again.
And we have a great country, but we have to run it properly.
It's going to be run properly.
We want to get back those hostages for Israel and for us.
You know, we do have people that are hostages being held.
And I'll just say it again.
If this deal's not done with the people representing our nation, by the time I get to office, all hell is going to break out.
Thank you very much.
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It looks like President Trump has wrapped up his press conference at Mar-a-Lago Lodz.
A lot of news that was made there saying he's going to, that military use forces on the table at the Panama Canal, potentially with Greenland, tariffs, he's going to be wielding those almost as a weapon, an economic weapon against possibly even Denmark, Panama.
Canada.
A lot of news that came out of that press conference.
One of the main topics obviously being Greenland.
This morning I woke up to a very early morning message from Charlie saying that he's in Greenland and that I had to host the show, which is, you know...
A bit odd, to say the least.
You don't expect to get a message like that.
But very, very cool stuff coming out of Greenland.
Charlie was there with Don Jr. Sergio Gore, who's heading up PPO in the White House.
President Trump...
Truth about this yesterday, saying that Don Jr. and his representatives were going to be on the ground.
If you're watching this right now, you can see images of Charlie actually doing kind of live videos from Greenland and Nuke, I believe, is the town they flew over on Air Force One, landed, met with the people.
What I've heard from Charlie directly is the Greenlanders love Trump.
They love MAGA. They love Don.
They love Charlie.
They follow Charlie on TikTok and on Twitter.
X. What an amazing, amazing new era that we are all living in.
You know, this idea of manifest destiny in the United States, of expansion, of building, of growing, was something that felt like a previous era, bygone era.
Something when our pioneers were filling out the Western frontier.
And now we have a president that is...
We're reversing decades and decades and decades, really a century of stagnation.
And he's saying, you know, we shouldn't have given away the Panama Canal for a dollar.
In relative dollars in 2025...
That's the equivalent of over a trillion dollars and more than 35,000 men died building the canal to malaria.
Why did Jimmy Carter do this?
We don't know.
It was a terrible mistake.
And now China is controlling both sides of the Panama Canal and we're getting ripped off.
So he wants that back.
He's willing to use force to do it.
Very unclear.
He's not committing to anything.
Talking about...
The trade deficits that we have with Canada, talking about how he wants to use economic force to get what he wants there.
Now, listen, do I think that it is likely that Canada is going to really become a 51st state?
I personally don't see that happening, nor am I convinced that I want that to happen.
But what I do love is the art of the deal about putting America's national interest ahead.
We are the piggy bank, folks.
Make no mistake about it.
We hold so many cards, both militarily and economically and technologically, and Trump is saying adamantly he is going to be the type of president that uses the force that America has.
Economic might of America to leverage our position on the world stage and get this country's national interest put first again, whether that be immigration, whether that be technology, whether that be militarily.
This is a new era.
We have never seen anything like this.
Not even in the first Trump presidency did we see anything like this.
This is completely new.
You can see that the president is emboldened.
You can see it even with the...
He doesn't get drawn into things he doesn't want to talk about.
And he works them very easily, actually.
It's something to behold how this president is able to basically throw off the legacy news media reporters and the pits and the landmines that they are Putting in front of him a truly, truly remarkable show.
It's wonderful to see as somebody that, you know, personally, I love this country.
I'm going to live and die in this country.
My children are going to live and die in this country.
And to love it as much as I do, and as much as I know many of you in this audience love it and feel the same as I do, to see a president just To boldly assert our interest and to stop apologizing for this country and stop apologizing for what we stand for and what we've accomplished and the amount of power that we can and should exert for the good of the world but mostly for the good of the American people.
It's something to behold.
It truly is.
And each one of these press conferences that President Trump has and hosts, you can see that this is It's formulating.
It's taking shape more and more and more.
And I also have to mention this moment that quickly got picked up and went mega viral instantly.
And that's that Trump has declared that he is going to change the name of the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America.
So let me repeat that.
He said he's going to change the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America.
Absolutely incredible moment there.
And, you know, I'm getting messages from Charlie as we're live in the show.
He just took off on Trump Force One.
They had to do a full-thrust takeoff because it had a bit of a short runway and the cold air, apparently.
And he has now just taken off.
He's going to be giving us an update on what he experienced on the ground in Greenland.
Probably going to be dropping a 20-30 minute podcast.
So if you're not signed up or subscribed to the podcast, please do that.
You can just go on your podcast app on whatever phone you have.
Type in The Charlie Kirk Show.
Hit subscribe.
We're going to be dropping that tonight.
Put that image up.
This is the Gulf of America, folks.
A new dawn here in this great country of ours.
You can feel it building.
You can feel it happening.
What an amazing, amazing...
A tone shift, a vibe shift that you can feel.
So I want to hear from you.
What do you get out of that press conference that Trump just hosted at Mar-a-Lago?
A truly extraordinary...
My phone is blowing up right now.
Everybody's saying how amazing it was.
There was a new verve, a new energy, a new, like I said, swagger, confidence coming out of President Trump this morning.
And if you just think about this sort of manifest destiny, This expansion, the vibe shift, if you will, out of this new incoming administration, it's truly historic.
It's truly something to behold.
And we've never seen anything like it, where he's openly talking about the fact that Canada should become a state of the U.S., get rid of this trade deficit, that we want to take back the Panama Canal, that we want to make an actual aggressive play.
To acquire Greenland.
This is a patriotic reset.
This is a patriotic reset.
And we know this because we know these people.
Young people are going to look at this.
And Trump made historic gains with young voters.
They're going to look at this and they're going to probably be a little bit disoriented.
It's new.
But they're also going to be overwhelmed with a sense of I think it's a
sense of rebuilding.
Confidence in ourselves as a country.
We've had four years of malaise.
That comes to an end.
President Trump drew the line in the sand.
Let's go ahead and play cut 54. Charlie's talking to the people of Greenland, asking them what they think of America.
Okay, we're here in Greenland with Don Jr. Everyone wants to be on TikTok.
What do you guys think of America?
Great.
You love America and you love Trump?
Yes, of course.
The youth of Greenland, Don.
We're hearing a lot of it, guys.
We're hearing a lot of it.
And you guys all watch TikTok, right?
I'll follow you.
Oh, thank you.
Live from Greenland.
Live from Greenland.
Let's just keep it rolling here.
Play Cup 55. Quite a day here in Greenland.
Sergio?
Here at Trump Force One.
Donna's over here.
Friendliest people.
They love America.
And we'll see what happens.
Make Greenland great again.
And the sun is setting.
It's only 2.30 in the afternoon.
The sun is setting.
It's just one of those things.
And it's very, very cold here.
And as we kind of reflect on a great time here in Greenland.
Newt, Greenland.
More soon.
More soon indeed.
It's going to be fascinating to see what comes of this.
Really, it's a private trip, but it's a diplomatic trip.
It sends a signal to the world.
Very excited, honored that the host of this show got to be included in such a historic trip and something that could ultimately be radically important for the history of this country.
So it's a reset.
It's a renaissance, a constitutional reset.
But it's an American renaissance all at the same time, and you can feel this happening.
And for those of you who don't fully appreciate or understand the importance of Greenland, I just want to lay out a few points for you here.
You know, Greenland is an autonomous territory of Denmark, but it's autonomous, and nobody really understands legally if Greenland has any right to Greenland.
And Trump has just said in that press conference he is going to use Now, Greenland has said that they are going to vote for pure independence from Denmark.
Apparently, the people want that there.
There's not a whole lot of people, but the people that are there, as you saw in the video with Charlie, they love America.
They love President Trump.
They're wearing MAGA hats.
They're very excited about it.
Now, the United States has had a military presence in Greenland since World War II. Trump is actually not the first president to float buying it.
In 1946, Harry Truman proposed buying Greenland, but the idea was never really pursued.
President Trump brought this up again in 2019. So he revived the conversation, and Denmark rejected the idea.
And we're hearing reports that, you know, Greenland is saying it's not for sale, Denmark is saying it's not for sale.
I would say, just hold the phone.
Let's see what happens, folks.
Let's see what happens.
First of all, it's a very strategic location.
It's a position in the Arctic, so it's a vital national security concern to the United States.
It is a good defense against threats.
It can serve as a forward base for air and sea operations in the North Atlantic, and it has key resources.
Greenland is extraordinarily rich in minerals like lithium and nickel, which are the key ingredients for an advanced military technology and energy economy.
So when we talk about AI and we talk about crypto, these things are going to be key.
Greenland has them in spades.
Four, preventing Chinese expansion.
This is something President Trump is very clear about and Russian expansion.
China is all over Greenland.
They're actually using a company in Greenland to extract rare earth minerals.
Currently.
So that's happening.
To the tune of over $500 billion worth of rare earth minerals.
Trump sees that.
He doesn't like it.
He wants to stop it.
He wants to get that for our people.
And then fifth is just an economic and military advantage.
Control over Greenland would secure trade routes and strengthen America's military presence, keeping China and Russia and other rivals at bay.
So it's a huge, huge story developing.
There's only 57,000 people in Greenland.
Candidly, have a lot to gain from being closer because it's being closer to America.
It's a closer territory.
We could offer them a lot.
They're currently kind of in the middle of a tug-of-war internationally.
And, you know, coincidentally, the people of Greenland have a higher GDP per capita than Canada, which is saying something.
So Trump has said in this press conference you can see the Russian and Chinese ships off the coast of Greenland.
Perhaps the Greenlanders are...
Sick and tired of this.
Tired of being in a tug of war internationally.
They don't have the means to defend themselves.
But if America was involved, they certainly would.
What an amazing, amazing day.
The dawning of a new era is upon us.
And to help make sense of what we have just witnessed and Charlie's trip to Greenland, of course, so much more is the one and only Kane from Citizen Free Press.
Kane, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show, my friend.
Help us make sense.
I mean, what is going through your mind this morning with all of this breaking news?
Well, thanks, Andrew.
Sorry, I was just on the other line with my travel agent.
I was booking a trip to the Gulf of America.
I've got, you know, I figure the rush is going to be on, dude.
We probably got about seven hours to book trips all along the Texas coast.
And, you know, my travel agent, I don't know if your young viewers even know what travel agents are.
But somehow this guy knows your schedule.
Yeah, and he said you overslept and missed the flight to Greenland.
So that's interesting.
Yeah, Charlie has assured me that there is quite a bit of FOMO going on right now.
His phone is, as you can imagine, lighting up like a Christmas tree.
Everybody going, where was my invitation, Charlie, to Trump Force One?
Yeah, Fox News.
Fox News, while you were in the commercial break, just showed the Charlie Kirk Don Jr. selfie on air.
They're still doing the segment.
So they showed that.
So yeah, it's making the rounds.
No, it is.
And I mean, everybody's texting me even going, you know, can you tell me?
I've got all these reporters going, what can you tell me about Charlie's trip to Greenland?
Please let us know.
Charlie will be doing a kind of, he's going to land back in Florida.
Then he's going to be doing a 20 to 30 minute debrief with the audience.
So if you're not subscribed to the Charlie Kirk Show podcast, now's the time to do it.
He'll break it all down for you.
And of course, he'll talk about it on this show tomorrow.
But you're not going to want to miss it.
It's appointment viewing for me.
I'm going to be waiting on bated breath to hear what he has to say.
But, Cain, what stood out to me, and I would love your reaction to this, is that the era of apologizing for America is over.
Trump is boldly asserting our national interests, both here domestically from a policy standpoint, whether that be...
You know, gas heaters, gas stoves, you know, how much water comes out of your faucet.
He's pushing back against this domestic tyranny we've all been living under, especially in the last four years.
But then he's also doing it abroad, whether it's the Gulf of America, Greenland, Panama, Canada, all of these different storylines about the hostages.
You know, this was huge news that he made during this press conference, saying that you have two weeks, Hamas, and if there's not a deal done...
To return the hostages from October 7th, hell will break out in the Middle East.
That's a direct quote.
All hell will break out in the Middle East.
Cain, what are you feeling as a proud American?
I know you're a patriot.
What are the people of Citizen Free Press, what are they saying?
What's the reaction?
Well, everyone's excited, obviously.
There's a daily countdown in the open thread.
You mentioned Trump's speech and sort of...
You know, taking back the stage, the world stage, and without apology.
And it's so obvious that that's happening, Andrew.
And it's different from 2017 as well.
You know, European leaders, they've lived through Trump once before, and they sort of know what to expect this time.
And there's been some remarkable statements that Zelensky...
You know...
Previously with Trump, as well as since Biden has been in office.
So that's never happened.
So it's obvious that the landscape is changing.
And there are no apologies.
You mentioned that.
You know, Trump is a little bit trolling.
We know he's trolling Canada again with his true social post yesterday about the 51st state.
But he does it in a way that makes sense.
And it speaks to the sort of make Canada great again audience that we know that is at least 50-60% of the Canadian populace.
And it's the same thing with Greenland.
You know, I think he's trolling slightly less with Greenland, certainly, and the fact that Greenland has said they want their independence from Denmark and that now Trump, as you mentioned, has said that he'll use tariffs against Denmark if they attempt to intervene in any movement that we make to sort of align Greenland with the U.S., whether that's making them a territory.
Or whatever, you know, that final result would be.
But it's exciting, dude.
It's just absolutely exciting.
Everyone's caught the fever.
I know you guys are looking forward to inauguration.
You know, D.C. is going to be rocking.
The last time huge Patriot crowds went to D.C., it was a heck of a lot different four years ago.
So it's a super exciting time.
And we earned it.
You know, that's the last thing, dude.
We earned this with hard work and every single day for four years.
We didn't know if these days were going to come.
And even if they came, we didn't know, for example, if we were going to hold the House and whether Jamie Raskin was going to attempt his Democrat insurrection.
So it's really nice just to be able to take deep breaths and remind ourselves that we won.
We won all seven swing states.
And now our president is back and Europe is taking him seriously.
And you know what?
It's just a damn good time to be an American, Andrew.
It's a damn good time.
That's well said, my friend.
Well said.
It is a damn good time.
And you can feel it.
You know, it's funny.
I mean, Trump is not usually somebody to use sort of flowery language.
And when he says a new light is dawning over the world.
You know, it feels a little bit out of character.
But then I challenge myself to come up with a different way of saying it.
And it really does feel like there is a new light dawning over the world.
This tyrannical, that we've broken the back of this tyranny.
And we haven't even talked about this yet, Cain, on this show.
But in the midst of this, you're seeing Mark Zuckerberg from Meta, Facebook.
It comes out with this huge, huge announcement this morning.
And just to break it down for our audience, since it's new here, he's saying he's getting rid of the fact-checkers, that they have destroyed more trust than they've built, and it's become too politicized.
He's moving the content moderation team from California to Texas.
He's openly saying he wants to work with the Trump administration to push back.
Against the censorship in these other countries because he says that America has the most robust free speech protections and that the last four years have been hard with America's own government pushing for censorship.
Biden's administration under the bus while lifting up Trump and saying, we need help to fight back on the world stage.
That is a huge, huge development.
After putting Joel Kaplan in a big promotion, he's a Republican.
Joel and Charlie have a relationship.
And Dana White is now on the board of Meta.
This is a new day dawning in so many ways.
A new light is going out across the world, as Trump says.
Cain, help our audience make sense.
How big is the meta announcement from Zuckerberg?
And I thought the Dana White story was huge, Andrew.
That was big yesterday.
I made it a red headline.
You know, that's a sea change.
You and I both know that Zuckerberg has been training with MMA fighters for the last two, three years.
That's why he wanted to sort of battle Elon Musk.
So I'm not totally surprised by the Dana White thing.
But as for the free speech thing, that would be the biggest story of 2025 so far.
It was.
This morning when I saw it, I was blown away.
I think I put four links up to it, including the video from Zuckerberg himself, you know, and everything that you said, that the fact...
Fact-checkers are gone, that they're going back to free speech, and they're modeling it after Elon Musk and Twitter with community notes.
And he even admitted one of his quotes was, fact-checking has become too politically biased.
No one believes it.
So it's a huge story.
Again, it would be the biggest story of the day if it weren't for Trump just doing 90 minutes and blowing the socks off the national media.
What Biden did four of those press conferences and they were all scripted in four years.
And Trump has done two of them in 30 days.
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I cannot wait.
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As Tucker Carlson would say, dad is back.
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And they're about to get spanked.
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Kane, I... I'm just seeing something breaking across the wire here.
It says, "EU MPs call for immediate action against Elon Musk.
After Musk's promotional tour for the AFD in Germany, the next conflict arises.
Platform X is said to be violating EU laws.
Brussels MPs want to enforce stricter rules for X." There's a whole debate here going around Elon Musk of whether or not he's exerting influence politically and a billionaire shouldn't be exerting influence politically.
But it strikes me as kind of similar, and I think that's garbage, let me just say.
I mean, where were they when George Soros was exerting political influence all over the world, especially in the United States?
Bill Gates, so many other billionaires do the same.
You know, Mark Zuckerberg was saying something similar, saying, you know, I need the U.S. government and President Trump's help to push back against these sanctions and these censorship laws in the rest of the world.
What I mean, this is a this is looks like almost the new dividing line, the new fissure globally in the fight for free speech is now developing.
In this European bloc that is terrified of the rise of populism.
That's correct, and you see it, and that's really what it's about.
It's their fear of populism as it spreads.
We've seen, first it was Gert Wilders in the Netherlands, and we saw the French government kicked out.
We have the German elections coming.
We know probably how that's going to turn out.
We've seen what's happened in the UK and the rise of the Reform Party.
So, and then paying attention to media, as I know you do, you know that these sort of, these free speech attacks and censorship requirements coming out of the EU have, this has really been going on for three or four years.
I mean, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, they've all sort of been facing these kind of draconian laws.
That free speech and our First Amendment right that our founders gave us, that does not exist in Europe, and it doesn't exist in the UK. I mean, everything that people have seen over the last six months, including what's going on with Tommy Robinson, shows you that there is no free speech in Europe and Great Britain.
And so it's nice.
Look, here's the thing.
Andrew, I think people can change.
I think Elon Musk's transformation over the last six years from a pretty much regular voting Democrat all the way to a full embracer of the America First agenda and MAGA, I think it shows that people can change and we need to embrace these people when they want to help us.
And I've seen the same thing this morning with Zuckerberg, right?
And you've probably seen the same thing.
You know, we've seen hints of this change.
And yet our base is a little bit skeptical, right?
They're like, oh, don't trust the guy.
But I want to tell people, look, when you can sort of see this, this is organic, this feels real in Zuckerberg.
Sure, he's looking out for his companies, but at the same time...
What I mentioned before the break about sort of the MMA training.
Let's not lie.
All those MMA guys are America First and MAGA, right?
And Zuckerberg's been training with them every single day probably for three years.
And you're telling me that that sort of doesn't rub off on him?
And look, he's gotten probably 30 pounds bigger, all muscle, right?
That's more testosterone.
Testosterone leads to MAGA. We know that.
That's like the transitive property of MAGA geometry.
So, yeah, you're right.
And they do need, you know, I'm going to admit, yeah, they need Trump's help, especially Zuckerberg.
Europe has gone after him hard.
And now they're aggressively going after Elon Musk.
I've had several stories in the stack over the past week.
I've been waiting for them to sort of bring him up on charges.
Is it going to be civil?
You know, are these going to be civil complaints?
Are there going to be actual criminal charges?
What are they going to try to do to keep him out?
Well, yeah, I completely agree.
You know, Kane, it occurs to me that...
We've been talking about exporting American democracy and values across the globe, and what do we get for it?
We get LGBTQ flags flying at embassies, and we get DEI and CRT being injected worldwide, and we get anti-free speech laws through NATO and censorship in the EU. That time is over.
We should be very, very blunt with Europe.
If Europe doesn't have free speech laws, they don't have our support.
Full stop.
You know, if you sanction X Europe, well then fine.
We're going to pull our troops out of Germany and let you defend yourself.
I like it, man.
I like it.
It's the Trump style that's infecting all of us, right?
It means we push back, we fight back.
We no longer just take the slap in the face by half-baited presidents named Macron, you know?
I like it.
And I like threats ahead of time.
I like letting them know this is how we are going to respond if you do this to us.
So thanks for having me on, Andrew.
I look forward to seeing you next time, brother.
Absolutely, Cain.
Jane, thank you for joining.
What a morning, what a story.
You combine that with news out of Facebook, Meta, Zuckerberg, changing so much of what he does over at that company with Trump's historic press conference.
I'll just say it.
I've never seen anything like that.
And I've seen all of Trump's press conferences just about.
And I've seen a lot of his rallies.
What we're seeing is a sea change.
To help us make sense of that and also how it affects us internationally, what's going on in Europe right now, is Rahim Kassam, thenationalpulse.com.
Rahim, welcome to The Charlie Kirk Show.
Thank you for having me, Andrew.
It's not like we've talked enough over the last 24 hours, but it's great to see you again.
Yeah, absolutely.
Raheem and I had a fascinating conversation last night.
And so when Charlie surprised me with his trip to Greenland, I said, Raheem, let's continue the conversation on the show.
So, Raheem, you are probably one of the...
The top experts in the country, both in America but also internationally, when it comes to this topic of free speech.
I mean, from your time at Breitbart to your time now at the National Pulse, you fought alongside Nigel Farage with Brexit and now with reform.
I mean, you've seen it from both sides of the pond.
I want to start with...
This news out of Meta, Zuckerberg's big shot across the bow.
What do you make of it?
Do you trust it?
You're also a voice for the bass, the grassroots.
A lot of people are skeptical.
I happen to be very hopeful.
What do you make of it?
Yeah, so, you know, a man from your neck of the woods once said trust but verify, but I'm sort of more the type that is just never trusting.
So to answer that question very bluntly, and in the same way that President Trump answered the question earlier on in the press conference about using economic or military force to secure Greenland or Panama.
No, I cannot say that I trust this.
I cannot say that I trust Mark Zuckerberg.
I cannot even say that I trust his new so-called Republican apparatus.
But what I will say is that since 2020, we have been deconstructing what this fact-check regime actually looks like inside Facebook, who they use as fact-checkers, right down to who the individual people are who are doing.
The so-called fact-checks.
And we had a great deal of, well, you know this, Andrew, you know, we at the National Pulse, we don't spend a lot of money on marketing and PR and, you know, going on, you know, Fox News or whatever, pumping up our stories, but we do that quiet, diligent, hard work behind the scenes.
And what it led to was one of these fact-checkers, by the name of Lead Stories, actually having to remove some of their staff because we outed them as being Democrat donors, outright Democrat activists.
And indeed, Lead Stories themselves had signed to work with the Chinese Communist Party's TikTok app a couple of years ago.
So we've been chipping away and chipping away at this for quite some time.
And so in counterbalance...
To my skepticism, my cynicism, and perhaps my negativity over Mark Zuckerberg, I do think we are starting to make the right inroads, and this is a development that shows you that.
The fact-checking regimen at Meta, at Facebook, and by the way, it's not just them, but it's a huge platform that lots of people still use, has been so opaque.
It has lacked transparency, and we've tried to shine a light on who these people are and what their so-called fact checks do.
I'm delighted that we're moving to a more community-based, like a community note system like X or Twitter has, but let's see how it actually is implemented, because the devil, once again, will be in the detail.
Well, and one of the things I want to bring, and I appreciate that skepticism, on some level, one of the things I heard in the Zuckerberg video was that It just feels a little bit too...
It's easy for him to sort of move that Titanic.
I know it's slow, and he said it's going to take some time, but what happens if the political winds shift again?
Is he just going to move it back in a direction that's anti-American?
But I will say, and now I want to broaden this conversation to make it...
I want to talk about Europe and...
It's censorship regime.
You know, because one of the things he says in that video is he wants to work with President Trump and that because of America's robust free speech laws, it has made the last few years incredibly difficult for a company like Facebook because he didn't have the backing of the American government.
As a matter of fact, they were coercing Facebook and Meta to become more censorious.
You see this, it's just breaking right now, is that European MPs are now calling for stricter rules against Elon.
They want to go on the attack against Elon because he's exerting force.
Now, let's take this abroad.
You and I were talking yesterday about Tommy Robinson, somebody I don't know, somebody that you do know.
To the outsider, it appears that this is part of this European...
This stricture, this force against free speech in the EU. And I understand that Tommy Robinson is a complicated figure.
Sometimes he can be his own worst enemy.
But it does, from an outsider's view, seem like he has been restricted and he's getting punished for being a loud and proud Britain.
And, you know, what is the free speech culture in the UK right now?
We're seeing...
Very terrifying videos of people having police come to their homes because they posted something on Facebook, right, that they weren't supposed to about migrants or the like.
Explain it to us.
And then connect the dots.
How does this news from Facebook, how does this apply to the UK? Are we seeing an expansion or is this going to be a World War III transatlantic from a free speech perspective, of course?
It's a huge question.
And in the very few hours that we've had since the Zuckerberg announcement this morning, these are the type of questions that we're mulling over that we're trying to figure out the answers to.
Of course, European members of parliament, the European Commission, all of these bureaucrats, and the entire vast operation that has worked for so long to try and tamp down on people's free speech, they will absolutely be having a freakout right now.
There's no doubt about it.
I worked in Brussels.
I worked in Strasbourg.
I know all of these people very well.
They will be in a full-on meltdown over the fact that ordinary people might get to say what they think once again, without being tamped down on, without their accounts being deleted, restricted, suspended.
All of the things that have happened to me, by the way.
The irony is, just last week, I got three strikes in a row on my Facebook page telling me that I'm about to lose it because some fact-checker...
It may have been lead stories, may have been another one that they used, disagreed with my framing of a story in some way, shape or form.
So I look forward to the end of that regime, but the Brussels apparatus, the Davos apparatus, certainly won't.
As it pertains specifically to the United Kingdom, look, if I were in the UK today, I suspect I would already be behind bars for some of the things that I share on social media.
It's not a joke.
I am not putting my tongue in my cheek when I say that.
I'm not exaggerating.
I truly believe that to be the case.
And whenever I talk to people back home, they tend to agree with me.
They say, Rahim, you are one of the most spicy people online.
There's absolutely no way the authorities would let you get away with that stuff here.
And this applies...
But what is at the heart of the things that he posts and the things that he shares is his love for his country and his willing intent to try and shine a light on these Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Muslim grooming and rape gangs, scandals which have been going on for two decades now plus in the United States.
But because a comma might be in the wrong place or an I isn't dotted or a T isn't crossed in some of his posts, the authorities use that as a cudgel by which to beat him with.
He, as far as they are concerned, is one of those grubby, working-class, deplorable garbage types who shouldn't actually be able to have their say.
There can be arguments about the things that he's done and the way he's gone about them.
You have to bear in mind at its core what this is about.
To answer your broader question, yeah, look, we have a newly elected Labour left-wing of the Democrats' government in the United Kingdom.
They will resist what Mark Zuckerberg is doing, what Donald Trump is bringing back to Washington, D.C., and of course are already resisting what Elon Musk is doing, to the point where yesterday they said they may even sever.
The United Kingdom's national security agreements with the United States, if Donald Trump agrees with Elon Musk on this stuff, that is not small beer.
That is a fundamental reorientation of the geopolitical order.
If Labour want to reorient and tie themselves more up with Brussels and perhaps even more up with Beijing, yes, there may be, as you say, some transatlantic, I don't know.
Warfare might be a strong word, but some irreversible friction.
Yeah, I mean, I think that's really...
I mean, you brought up a number of really good points there, Rahim.
I, for one, am personally in the camp that America should be exerting its economic and military...
Maybe it's just leverage.
I don't mean actual, you know, kinetic warfare here.
But, you know, hey, we've got troops stationed all across the world.
We help...
Defend Europe via NATO. There are levers that we can pull to, you know, instead of exporting the LGBTQ flag at our embassies and ensuring that the censorship regime is alive and well with our transatlantic partners, is to say, hey, you know, instead of that, we're actually going to defend free speech.
And we're going to defend nations that protect the free speech of its countries.
Because it occurs to me, Raheem, the Tommy Robinson example, and I do want to understand...
From you, more of what the dynamics within reform and Nigel and Tommy and Elon, I think that's an important conversation.
I want to do that next segment.
But it occurs to me that what's happening with these grooming gangs is directly tied to the free speech conversation that we're having today.
Because if it was more robust, the protections for citizens to speak out, I understand there's a social...
Aspect of this, right?
Where it becomes, you know, the scarlet letter, you know, you're a racist, you're a xenophobe or whatever, that you don't speak out more broadly, right?
I mean, there is a social pressure that it's not necessarily legal.
So you have to deal with that first.
But you can only deal with that if the population feels that it has the ability to speak freely.
And the fact that there aren't more free speech protections in the UK has led directly to the fact that...
Tens of thousands of young women.
I don't know if you have a number.
I've heard all kinds of numbers of how many young children have been abused and sexually assaulted and raped in the UK by these gangs.
But that is a direct connection.
If people had the ability to speak out more profoundly, more boldly, without fear of reprisal, attack, fines, or even imprisonment, little girls would have been saved.
They would not have been abused.
And so this has a direct impact on the population.
Brahim, your thoughts?
That's exactly right.
That's why we started reporting on it back when I used to run Breitbart's London Bureau, back in 2013 and 2014. You know, I am somebody who most people will realize doesn't actually care about the blowback and the reprisals, bring it on as far as I'm concerned.
And when you're right, it's tens of thousands of people who have been targeted with this stuff.
Then to stay quiet, to not speak would be the greatest.
Yeah, I think you're absolutely right.
And by the way, for the audience that maybe isn't read in on this, the actual reports of what's happened to these little girls, it's so chilling.
It's so horrible.
It's unbelievable.
So Raheem, I need your help here.
You've got Tommy Robinson, which seems to be sort of a representative of reform.
He's this working-class bloke from, you know, just feels like kind of Mother England.
He just waves the flag.
His heart is so in the right place.
He's fighting the grooming gangs.
And by the way, these stories were coming out over a decade ago.
We're talking like almost 15 years ago.
It's taken this long for the lid to be blown off of this story.
Anyways, we like reform.
We like Nigel.
We like Tommy.
But there seems to be a rift.
And how does reform take it to the next level when you've got Nigel basically going on the record saying, hey, you know, that's a bridge too far with the Tommy thing.
And then Elon Musk saying, Nigel doesn't have what it takes.
Now, I know you're a big Nigel supporter.
You've been with Nigel for a long time.
How does reform pick it up and get to the next level and really help make, you know, Britain great again?
Yeah, you're asking a question that really goes back decades in political history in the UK now.
And a lot of people...
I'll disagree with you on one thing.
The lid was blown off on this issue years and years ago in the United Kingdom.
Rupert Murdoch's The Times newspaper had splashed it on the front pages.
It's been in the Daily Mail, the Express.
So it's not to say that the media has not covered this.
I understand that a lot of Americans and people...
People around the world are waking up to this story now.
But credit where it's due, the story has been covered.
Now, it's been euphemistically covered, not by us.
We cover it in the most kind of literal and demonstrative ways possible.
The gruesome stories that you mentioned before the break.
You know, are part of that wider narrative that has to be told.
And so places like the BBC will try and hide it.
They will allude to the background of these men.
They will just say Asian, whereas what they really mean is Bangladeshi, Pakistani, Muslim men account for the vast, vast, vast, over 90% majority of the perpetrators of these heinous crimes against young girls.
But what you're talking about here is this really odd dynamic on the political right in the UK where...
You know, you've got kind of the street activist, extremely working class end of things in Tommy Robinson's group, formerly of the English Defence League.
That organisation has had lots of running street battles with Antifa, you know, physical fights, brawls, smashing things up, fights with police, you know, almost what, you know, the papers and the middle classes would call, you know, football hooliganism or yobbish behaviour.
I don't subscribe to those definitions.
I'm just kind of trying to lay the land here.
On the flip side of the political right in the UK, you've got Nigel Farage, who is a private school-educated former metals trader in the city of London who has worked since the mid-'90s to extricate Britain from its relationship with the European Union and has focused on mass immigration as a critical topic there.
Over the last year, Nigel has taken this party, and it was originally the UK Independence Party, then it became the Brexit Party, and now it's the Reform Party.
From being a 5% party in the polls 10 years ago, to beating...
The Labour Party and indeed the Conservative Party in national polls today.
So Nigel's perspective on this is we did all of this without having to go there.
Don't tell me I have to go there and allow us to be besmirched as yobs and hooligans and whatnot.
You also have to understand that there is a significant chunk of the British middle class voter.
Who are looking for reasons to stop voting for Labour and the Conservative parties.
And if you tell them that reform is necessarily linked over here, they just won't do it.
So it's a very fine line that has to be tread, a political fine line that has to be tread here to ensure that reform can actually take over from the two legacy establishment parties.
And my perspective on it is this.
I'm friends with both of those men.
I have been for a long time.
I talk to them both very frankly about it.
I've fallen out with both of them.
About talking to the other ones.
And we're going to see eye to eye.
But what I say is this.
The people who have been critical of Nigel over the last couple of days because he doesn't want to be allied with Tommy Robinson, I will say this.
This is not the time to be watching a party.
The only political movement that could surge and replace the Tories and Labour and trying to drive a wedge through the political right.
In fact, the people who are doing that I regard as splitters.
I regard as contrary to the greater cause.
And I just think this is a fight that the establishment, the EU, Davos and the left absolutely love.
And we just all need to pack it in.
I would agree with that.
I mean, I want to see the UK be great again.
We talked about that last night, so I know you agree.