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Jan. 7, 2025 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 68 — J6 Retrospective? New Year Resolutions? "Gaycations?"
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Welcome to Thought Crime Monday?
What?
It's Monday and we're doing thought crime.
That's right.
Because of New Year's and Christmas, we missed a couple episodes and we want to make sure we made good on that.
And also January the 6th, which is definitely a day where thought crimes must be said.
I don't know who I have with me because I can't see the whole lineup.
I think we have Jack, Andrew, and Blake.
Am I guessing correctly?
That's right.
Yep.
You would be correct, sir.
Very good.
All right.
Who wants to take the first topic?
I believe it is January 6th related.
Jack, please proceed.
Well, you know, what can I say?
I mean, I've got the Capitol right behind me over my shoulder.
I'm here in Washington, D.C. And if I understand correctly, I am the only one of the four of us who was actually at Capitol Hill on January 6th four years ago today.
Is that correct?
Yep.
Charlie and I were in Phoenix broadcasting live.
It's like I got to check with my lawyer.
No, I said I was very much not there.
I was literally on air in Phoenix.
Although, Charlie, you did share some information on your show that I found pretty shocking that you shared.
You should share it again.
What did I share?
What do you mean?
The part about the lawyers or the subpoena?
Wait, wait, go to the lawyer.
Go ahead.
No, I said that on the show.
No, I mean, it's not a mystery.
People know that I was subpoenaed by the January 6th committee and we had a lawyer, but I had to go through 10 different lawyers before the 11th said yes to represent me.
That is how, just let's say, how toxic anything surrounding January 6th was.
Was that if you were even remotely connected, or not even connected, just in the universe of the discussion, which is where I was.
I was in Phoenix.
I was broadcasting live.
We were calling balls and strikes.
We weren't involved.
And yet, the lawyers were like, no, we don't want anything to do with that.
There are entire law firms that will go out of their way to represent terrorist bombers, to represent the worst people in society.
But we just remember back to where we were four years ago.
It looked as if this was the death sentence of the modern conservative nationalist populist movement.
And four years later, it looks like it's the exact opposite.
It looks like we are entering an American renaissance, that we have more momentum, that we have more power.
We control the House, the Senate, and the presidency.
Popular opinion.
It's remarkable to witness and see.
So, thoughts, guys, and kind of your lessons over these last four years.
Wait, wait, I just gotta say, I gotta say, so I have, um, cause I'm me, I read everyone's, um, January 6th testimony that was released publicly and I definitely gave an extra effort to read anyone that I'm friends with.
So one of my personal favorites was Charlie's January 6th testimony because he didn't answer any questions.
He didn't even answer his birthday.
Read it.
Jack, go find a testimony and read it.
I should actually pull that off.
Yeah, let me see if I can.
We should have grabbed it before.
It's so funny because I remember this.
On the advice of counsel, I will not be answering this question.
This went super viral.
It went so viral.
It was so funny.
You refused to even give your birthday.
They're like, sir, if we could just confirm you're the actual Charlie Kirk.
And you're like, no.
No, I didn't say no.
I did not say no.
Thank you, Mr. Kirk.
For the record, I had great attorneys.
I had great attorneys.
Jeff Neiman and Josh Levy were great attorneys.
And they said, and they prepped me, they said, only answer your name and nothing else.
Because we were invoking our Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination.
And I said, okay, just to be clear, nothing else.
And they said, yes.
I said, OK, so nothing else.
They said, yes.
OK, so we're in there.
And so I said my name.
And then Jack, read the rest.
Wait, here it is.
OK, no, wait.
No, you did also.
Hold on.
There was one other piece.
I live currently in Scotts.
So you did say Arizona.
They said South Scala, Arizona.
All right.
What highest level of education?
Fifth Amendment.
Are you the founder and executive director of Turning Point USA? Fifth Amendment.
Are you found on Turning Point Action?
Fifth Amendment.
Mr. Kirk, you could just say Fifth Amendment.
Okay.
Do you see the documents on the screen?
Yes, I can.
Okay, this is a subpoena, etc., etc., etc.
These are some text messages.
Are you correct?
Fifth Amendment.
Fifth Amendment.
It's like 28 pages of this.
What I love is you'll hear people say, like, why do they not do this more often?
And it'll always just be a lame thing.
It's like, well, you can't.
You can't do that to everything.
It'll make you look bad.
And Charlie's just like, wait, no.
This is the Fifth Amendment right.
They can't make me say anything.
Here it is, right here, right here, page 7. Mr. Kirk, how old are you?
On advice of counsel, I'm invoking my Fifth Amendment right.
Charlie's a good student.
Yeah, he took the instructions well.
Now, Charlie, can you reveal...
He understood the assignment.
Yeah, Charlie, can you reveal which members were in attendance that day when you were doing the testimony?
Are you able to?
Yeah, there was only one member of the committee that showed up.
So it was mostly staff, and then at the end, Adam Kinzinger showed up.
Towards the latter end of our Zoom call.
Oh, yeah, that's in here.
It was a Zoom call.
Man.
And he did not ask any questions.
Yeah, correct.
Adam Kinzinger did not ask any questions.
I'm searching and invoking my fifth is used 65 times in this document in 28 pages.
Amazing.
Wow.
65. There's got to be some symbolism.
It was even worse than that, as you say, because I was saying the entire time.
Because they told me my instructions and I was not messing around, right?
Like, okay.
How old are you?
And I would read on the piece of paper.
No, no, no.
I didn't say, I said, I invoke my constitutional right.
And like, so then they eventually would say, you could just say Fifth Amendment.
I was like, okay, got it.
So.
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
I just start like, on the advice of counsel.
I got nothing else to say.
But no, I mean, look, that was a very expensive, very trying thing unnecessarily, right?
And because, look, I mean, Steve Bannon went to prison by this very same committee.
Peter Navarro went to prison from this very same committee.
I mean, it was, you know, serious stuff.
And so, but just going through that whole process, it definitely, I'll speak, I can speak candidly about this part.
There's nothing to talk about, but I'll just let the testimony speak for itself.
Which is, my testimony will tell the whole story.
Is this, look, and I think it's very clear that this hardened me in a way where I knew we had to win or else this country was going off a lawfare cliff, the likes of which we would not survive.
The likes of which that would completely obliterate this nation and destroy this country.
And so...
It made me want to work harder, hire more ballot chasers, and eventually play a small role in the greatest political comeback in history.
Hey, look, this was summer of 2022, by the way.
If you look at the...
The date on it, May 24th, 2022. So, I mean, this was way before the midterms had even happened.
This was before anyone had announced.
No, I think he had announced he was running by this point.
I think he did that in February of 22, unless I'm wrong.
Or no, excuse me.
No, he hadn't announced yet.
That was February of 23. No, blame my last.
And so yeah, President Trump hadn't even announced he was running yet.
This was like a pretty low point for MAGA. And here's Charlie just like, I'm gonna go to bat.
Like, nope, no.
Just like, absolutely not.
Boom, out of the park.
Boom, out of the park.
Fifth Amendment.
Would you like to throw this?
Because, Charlie, what they're trying to get you to do, and I know you know this, what they're trying to get you to do is throw people under the bus.
They're saying, throw this person under the bus.
Throw that person under the bus.
You know, we'll let you back in.
We'll let you go back to the old, you know, 2005 George W. Bush-style Republican.
If you just throw these people under the bus, just give us what we want and end the pain.
We'll stop.
And you didn't do it, man.
You just straight up didn't do it.
I love the phrasing here.
I love the phrasing.
I'll tell you, Mr. Kirk, if you wish to shorten your response to invoke the Fifth Amendment to something that is not as wordy as that, to save us some time, I'm fine with that.
But, like, this is the big scandal here, and Charlie hit the nail on the head.
The fact that he had to go through 10...
Attorneys.
I mean, this is not, Charlie Kirk is not some Joe Schmo.
This is, this is Charlie Kirk.
He's a very, like, people would be crawling over broken glass to represent you.
Well, I don't know about that, but I will say this, though, that it's not just like you call them up.
You have to do an introductory call for all of them, and they're 45 minutes to an hour in length.
Because they want to find out, you know, what you are.
It wasn't just like, okay, they said, oh, well, you know, let's do an introductory call.
All the facts.
They ask questions.
Then they come back afterwards and reject you.
And so you have to keep doing this.
And so finally, after like the eighth one, I was like, can you just tell me, is this going to, can you just run a conflict check?
Do you have a policy?
And finally, one of the lawyers was like, yeah, that's not going to work.
Great, you saved me a whole hour.
And finally, by the 11th, a lawyer in Florida who's awesome, Jeff Neiman.
Who just was like so prepared and was like, yep, he's like, I fight the government for a living.
And Andrew, I think you met him.
Great guy.
Really solid.
Multiple times.
Yeah, multiple times.
Yeah, really smart guy.
Really, really smart guy.
Super smart.
Yeah, so smart.
And also just kind of no nonsense.
Didn't even care about any of that stuff.
Was just like, listen, we're...
You know, you did nothing wrong.
You know, we're going to make sure you get through this.
It was really comforting, actually, to meet with him and hear the way he does business.
So if anybody finds themselves in that spot, by all means, give Jeff a call.
But, I mean, the fact you had to go through that in the first place.
I mean, talk about what Jack was saying, a real low point.
And, I mean, we had Timothy Hale on the show.
It's like this solitary confinement for 14 months.
What you went through was terrible, but it was nothing compared to what so many...
Normal American patriots had to experience as a result of...
It wasn't just a low point for MAGA. It was a low point for the country.
And the fact that we still have people like Sonny Hostin or Hostin and even now Hakeem Jeffries invoking Pearl Harbor from inside the Capitol after a cringy moment of silence with Chuck Schumer inside the Capitol saying that this was a day that will live in infamy.
Doing this...
This is not clips from four years ago.
This is not...
This is not a clip, as you said, on Twitter, Charlie, from four months ago.
This is a clip today.
We're still dealing with this stuff that these people are so deranged that they thought it was worthwhile dragging half the country through the mud, calling everybody fascists and Nazis and all of these terrible things.
And for what?
Get some weird virtue signal out of it for political gains.
Destroy the country to rule over a pile of ash.
So I think it's a pretty fascinating story what you went through, Charlie.
And obviously to remember that we actually had it pretty easy compared to so many.
Well, yeah.
So Jack's here.
Jack was actually at the Capitol.
And I wasn't.
I had to go through that whole rigmarole.
Again, I'm not saying I didn't do anything wrong.
Jack didn't do anything wrong.
I'm just saying it was just ridiculous that the whole thing had to occur.
But let me ask you guys and Blake.
I want to get your thoughts.
What do you attribute our ability to kind of climb out of the ditch?
Was it the metaphorical, our back was against the wall and we had no choice but to fight?
Walk us through it, because objectively, it's one of the greatest turnarounds in a four-year period we've ever seen.
You know, honestly, a thought that comes to mind is, I think it helped a lot that 2020 had happened just before this.
I've been talking with some friends.
Why does it seem like things have shifted so much from just a few years ago?
What happened?
Was it just that Elon Musk bought Twitter, all that?
And I said, I think a big factor is...
That 2020 took place.
Because in 2020, we had COVID and we had the whole George Floyd thing.
And the regime, the elites, whatever term you want to use for sort of the people who set policy and set the agenda, they went basically all in on lockdowns and that you couldn't say COVID was Chinese and that was a conspiracy theory.
And they also went all in on the racial reckoning attack.
And what they did by doing those both at the same time in such a massively dramatic and traumatic way is they staked a ton of their credibility on something that very quickly and obviously turned out to be wrong and bad.
And that, when they followed it up right after 2020 in January 6th with, oh, and also this is a domestic insurrection and we need more sweeping powers to do all of these things.
They had just staked so much of the reputation on something, and it blew up.
And also, thanks to COVID, that's really what created the impetus for building so many more alternative institutions for communicating with people.
That's what helped Rumble get off the ground, for example.
And within a few years, Rumble was a thriving ecosystem.
And it also, I think, the...
Excesses of 2020, I think, are what also prompted Elon Musk to say, I'm going to buy Twitter.
And obviously, him liberating Twitter in 2022, as he did, paved the way for so much of what we've been able to accomplish over the past two years.
So I think it's really, throughout, it was the hubris and the excess of those in power that drove a lot of what happened.
It's kind of like I was saying, I don't think...
He still probably would have pulled it off, but I sometimes wonder, would Donald Trump have faded away if they had just let it alone?
If they'd said, we're going to stop talking about him, he's banned from everything, and just never report on him.
CNN doesn't cover him.
New York Times doesn't talk about him.
We don't charge him.
Just let him go away.
And instead, they said, no, we have to throw Donald Trump in prison.
We have to charge him.
We have to raid Mar-a-Lago.
And it was when they did that.
It was when they did that.
It was when they did that.
It was when they raided Mar-a-Lago and dropped those charges that it made the Republican primary a total formality and it was over.
And they did that to themselves.
We could not make them do that.
They had to do it themselves.
And they did, and that really got everyone bonded together, and it laid out clearly what the stakes were, and I think it played a central role in us getting where we are today.
And that was August, so Charlie's testimony was before...
I guess at the beginning of the summer of 22 and then this was towards the end of the summer of 22. So yeah, Charlie, your testimony was even before the Mar-a-Lago raid, which was, again, I mean, this was just a time where a lot of people were saying, hey, let's get on the DeSantis train and let's forget about Trump and Trumpism without Trump.
That was a whole big thing.
And, you know, Charlie easily could have walked in there and, you know, maybe life would have been a lot easier to simply go in there and say, well, you know, I mean, you know, Don Jr. said to do this and I was on the phone with the president and I said that and whatever, whatever, you know, but he didn't take the easy road.
I don't think any of us took the easy road.
And, you know, it was at a time where it was seemingly wide open, but you know what they say about the wide gate and the narrow path.
I think we all remember that.
Well, I mean, I want the audience to appreciate just the stakes that not only the country was up against, but from a personal level, I mean, this is no joke, and Charlie, you know, feel free to chime in here as much as you want.
We were actively discussing what happens if we lose and how to protect ourselves, because we were just assuming that, you know, the suits were going to come in and...
Raid us.
They were going to get us.
And to live in that kind of reality, with that actually being a plausible reality, knowing that you didn't...
You're exercising your free speech and activating people on the ground.
You're trying to do everything by the stinking book, as close as you possibly can, double, triple, quadruple checking, everything, even holding yourself to a standard that's above what the law even states because you know that if you trip up, even a little bit of paperwork error could land you in the gulag.
I mean, this is how much scrutiny everything that we touched, everything that we put out, everything that we were doing behind the scenes had to go through.
And it was simply because of what happened after J6 and what they did to squash political dissent.
And, I mean, there was a few names, I'm sure, on that list that they had.
I know there was a file that was huge on Charlie inside the committee.
We heard about it from friends.
But, I mean, there was very few names that were higher on that list.
And so to have to live with that as a reality, and I think back, Charlie, to election night.
You know, we're all stunned after Pennsylvania gets called.
And this just well of emotion, I think the wave just swept over all of us, you included.
And that's why that video went so viral.
I think we were all just so grateful that this country had been saved from these people that would do that to their fellow citizens.
That's right.
And look, I mean, I just I'd lived a little bit of it compared to the January 6th or I mean, not even close.
I mean, these guys went through absolute hell and people that literally were, you know, is the government going to come after me?
Is the government going to raid my house?
And I mean, the only comforting thing is that as soon as Congress was reaching out to us, that there was a pretty good understanding once we started.
You know, setting up the discussion that the FBI probably was not going to come sweeping.
But they could have, right?
I mean, any time.
But it was kind of a different track.
But, you know, there was this concern that first month, those first couple of months after January 6th, it was like open season where we were worried that they were just going to go after anybody that had any sort of remote connection.
And not that there was anything that would be found, but just the public embarrassment and they coming through your office and grabbing your devices and just would have been even more trying.
So praise God, we are through that.
And it's really just remarkable.
We look at the certification vote here on January 6th.
Yeah, go ahead, Jack.
Before we move on to other topics, we know that there was that reporting over the weekend regarding pardons for the J6ers, looking at somewhere around 1,000.
I think that came out in Bloomberg.
We know, I think there's 1,000-plus defendants or convicted J6ers as it sits.
Do we think that that makes sense?
Do we think that it makes sense to do all that day one?
Of course, that's what he campaigned on.
on.
He really made this central to the campaign in general.
But when it comes down to it, do you think it's going to be more of this blanket idea or is it going to be more of like, you know, sort of a pick and choose kind of thing?
Not pick and choose, go through, you know, excuse me, categorize, I said that wrong, you know, kind of put them into different buckets and say, OK, these will be day one.
These will go to a review process.
These will go, you know, in one section here and there.
So I'm not exactly sure how to answer that.
Andrew, what do you think?
Yeah, I think there is going to be, the ones that are clear-cut cases, I think are going to be day one.
I think there's going to be some that received really, really harsh sentences for the trespass, meaning that they might have been guilty of something all of us on this show right now would say.
You know, hey, that was a crime.
You shouldn't have vandalized that equipment.
You shouldn't have punched that police out.
Whatever it is, I don't know.
I'm not even, you know, suggesting certain people did certain things and didn't, okay?
But if you did something where you hit a cop or if you vandalized something, and I'm not just talking about walking through the Capitol rotunda.
I'm saying if you did something we would all agree of common sense, maybe you get that sentence commuted if you've already served your time.
That might be a different review process.
I would think there would be very, very few instances where the sentencing would be upheld.
And I'm not speaking on behalf of the administration here, but I'm even talking about the Proud Boys and things like that, where they got...
Jack, you probably know the sentencing more specifically, but it was like 20-something years for a seditious conspiracy for the Proud Boys.
20 years, yeah.
All I know is that even those cases, I would say even the cases where criminality was found, and maybe some of it could be proven, the hammer came down on these people in such a...
I think it was one of the first times this had been used since the Civil War against somebody.
And really we have to come back to the fact that these were patriots.
Most of the vast, vast, vast, vast majority were patriots that were coming to the Capitol.
Begging the country to look at what people thought were fraudulent votes or that were fraudulent practices, whatever, in the 2020 election.
That's why people were there.
They were not there to overthrow the democracy.
They were not there for any of that stuff that the left likes to say.
It was not a day that will live in infamy like Pearl Harbor or World War II. This was, I think, a real opportunity to say, hey, we want the states to look at these votes again.
Because there's shenanigans going on.
And I still feel that way.
And I still feel that way, honestly, about some of the voting that happened in 2024. We need to get our elections in line.
We need to get election integrity in alignment.
And we need to keep addressing it.
So to call these patriots seditious conspiracists or whatever, I think is completely out of line.
So that's my theory on it.
But the vast majority, day one.
And then, yeah, there's going to be some review processes on the other ones.
Yeah, and look, by the way, to your point, you know, it's been four years.
Sorry, did not mean to interrupt.
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So, I think we should talk about this thing Blake has been talking about.
You know, we used to have this...
We used to have this thing that we did on the show We called it Deep Web Reveals, and some of them included explaining things to Charlie Kirk.
Folks don't know this, that Charlie really does not use the internet.
He kind of goes around, pokes around here and there, but it's just not something that he's ever done, really, in his life.
Like the Jonathan Haidt book that came out, The Anxious Mind and the Childhood.
It's like, Charlie's not on social media ever.
So, Blake, there was something that came up on the Internet on Reddit that was going pretty viral that I thought would be interesting for us to explain here on ThoughtCrime.
It's sort of getting back to our old roots on ThoughtCrime here.
Exactly.
It's Project 2025.
We can talk about whatever we want.
And what we want to talk about is deranged content discovered on the greatest source of soy on the Internet, which is Reddit.com.
So, this was posted.
Again, I should clarify, this is not me.
This is a post somebody made and compiled on a Reddit page.
Are you sure it's not you, Blake?
Are you sure?
Yes, Charlie.
You had to do this preemptive denial.
It's kind of weird.
Some people are going to be confused and they're going to send me emails and they're going to be like, why did you let Blake say that?
That's disgusting.
Anyway, so this went viral a few weeks ago, but it was sent to me the other day by a friend.
And this was posted originally as a seeking advice thread on their relationships forum on Reddit.
This is a 42-year-old woman with a 42-year-old husband.
My husband has informed me he intends to go on a, quote, gaycation with his brother-in-law in Ibiza.
That's a fancy island getaway place.
How do I handle this?
And it's very long.
I cannot read the whole thing.
But the context is this is a woman in Britain, and her husband approaches her out of nowhere, and he says that...
He pulled out a printed poster and started explaining to me, this is the woman saying, the concept of a gaycation.
It's where straight men go somewhere with, quote, sun, sand, and booze and become gay for the duration of the trip.
But that's fine because it doesn't actually count because, quote, what happens on the gaycation stays on the gaycation.
And the wife rather reasonably asks, Okay, are you gay?
Because if you are, we need to talk about what that means.
And he says, no.
No, he's not.
Quote, that's the beauty of the gaycation.
It's temporary.
It means nothing.
He's actually 100% attracted to women, he says.
But he needs to experience gayness.
And the comparison he makes is, it's like going to an aquarium.
And she says...
I would rather you not do this.
That sounds disgusting and would ruin our relationship.
And why do you need to ever do this?
Wait, wait, Blake.
Blake, Blake, can we pause?
Charlie, can I just get a check-in with you right now?
We need a temperature check.
We need a temperature check with you, Charlie, as we're like halfway through the explanation of the gaycation.
I think it's a Reddit troll.
I don't think this is real.
By the way, I'm kind of with you.
I think a lot of these are Reddit trolls.
And yet, if you look this up...
I think it's just like an erotica, weird fantasy writer.
I don't think it's real.
There's a whole TV series called Gaycation that you can look up.
And it is a documentary series hosted by...
Wait, Charlie.
Charlie, listen to this.
No, guess who hosts it?
It's on Vice.
Wow, Jack, you know a lot about this.
I used a magical power called Brave Browser to learn about it.
And it's hosted by Elliot Page.
Obviously we know that's Ellen Page.
And it's talking about Ellen Page was the actress who went full on.
So does Ellen Page host Gaycations because of the conceit that He is gay now because...
Is he still attracted?
So he's just inheriting or just experiencing the gaycation.
No, this is good.
I don't know, man.
It's a valid question.
Even if this specific post is a troll, I'm telling you that there is...
Apparently, this is like a thing.
It's a total...
They go in Japan.
A couple things.
A couple things.
Blake, I told...
Just like bent my...
Okay, say Ellen Page...
Was a lesbian before becoming...
Is this right, Jack?
So, would Ellen Pate...
I don't know.
Would going on a gaycation mean that she was then on an island with other lesbians?
Or...
I don't know.
It's very spine-bending.
Her spouse was a partner, so she was gay.
But now she's ex-gay?
Ellen was gay before.
Okay.
I don't really know what she would do with that.
But here's what I will tell you.
I read this thing from top to bottom and there's multiple posts and then she waits a couple days and then she comes back and you can tell that her thinking has changed.
It is the best troll job I've ever seen if it's a troll because it actually feels very authentic the way that her thinking develops over time and you can tell that she's then made up her mind about certain things and then...
She's actually reacting to some of the comments saying that they've shaped her thinking.
I mean, it's a very well-done troll if it's a troll.
The other thing is, I actually have lived in the UK for some time.
I was there for almost a year.
This feels very British.
It feels very uniquely something that would actually happen in the UK. And it's hard to explain why, but I feel that way.
I want to read this line just because it is...
Okay, go ahead.
I want to read this line just because it is the best line from it and it is what caused me to send it to everyone, which is, so this is the woman saying, I ignored him for the rest of the day, but we spoke at tea and I asked him, why does he want to do this so bad if he's not gay?
He said he's interested in how gay men's lives differ from straight men's and that, unfortunately, Once the gaycation begins, it is simply impossible for a man to resist, and he must, quote, surrender himself, mind, body, and soul to the gaycation, or be destroyed.
That is so funny to me.
Or be destroyed.
It seems like a troll, but if you read it, it does read like a woman wrote it.
You know, so...
I go back and forth on it.
But either way, it is very funny.
It's really sad, if true.
Genuinely.
Because, like, this story...
Apparently this guy involves the woman's brother-in-law, and it, like, destroys two families.
It totally destroys two families.
There's kids involved.
The parents are distraught.
I mean, if this is, like, a thing that's spreading on the...
If this is, like, a contagion that's spreading on the underwebs, like, this is...
Bodes very, very badly for the UK, and I hope probably is here already.
It's really terrifying.
So help me understand, the wife is approving of this?
No, does not approve.
Although the post does come with trigger warnings for internalized homophobia and accusations of homophobia.
But people assure her, the commenters assure her that it is not homophobic to be upset that your husband wants to ditch you to go on a gaycation with his brother-in-law.
That's all I got.
She also also at one point, one of the commenters suggests that she could take a straightcation and go up to I think she says Manchester and say whatever happens in Manchester stays in Manchester.
And at which point he gets very upset and accuses her of abusing the gaycation.
And not giving the gaycation the proper respect it deserves.
She was abusing the gaycation.
The sacred trust implied by the gaycation.
The concept of the gaycation.
It's like an aquarium.
But an aquarium is not interactive.
So it's not like an aquarium.
I should also add this.
This is another thing that the man claims in the story.
He claims that a gaycation is something that all straight men go on.
And that, in fact, he's like 40 in the story.
He's actually going on it rather late compared to other people.
So that's part of the claim.
The claim is that dudes are just doing this all of the time.
And, in fact, she's just out of the loop.
Now, I am not a hippest person, so perhaps I am also out of the loop.
I have never heard of anyone doing this that I know of, but Jack apparently does disagree.
Well, I was in the Navy, so...
But when you're underway, you know what they say.
In the Navy.
We need Donald Trump to popularize that one next.
As we close, let's do New Year's resolutions.
We're running out of time.
Okay.
I was just going to say that he threw out that maybe it's literally not a gaycation.
He just wants an excuse to go cheat.
A very elaborate excuse.
Very elaborate.
He wants to keep his family intact and still cheat.
I mean, I guess one of the best ways to make it so they don't suspect you of cheating with women is to just very loudly say that you're cheating with men.
That would be a weird way to go about it.
Anyway, New Year's resolutions.
First of all, we had a disagreement.
Charlie is pro-New Year's.
Jack is anti-New Year's.
So I think you guys should hash that one out first.
I'm very pro-New Year's.
Very.
I think it's really...
I've always been...
I totally disagree.
I think it's incredibly powerful.
And I think, first of all, just the idea of you wanting to be better at something, I think is a phenomenal thing.
Acknowledging that you're not who you yet want to be and that you want to aim at a higher point and that you want to be a better version of yourself.
I look back at my life, some of the greatest accomplishments I have have been thanks to New Year's resolutions.
When I listened to...
Dennis Prager, teach the entire Torah.
That was a 2023 New Year's resolution.
My New Year's resolution last year was to work as hard as a human being possibly can to get Donald Trump elected president.
I have New Year's resolutions for this year, but who could be against that?
Who could be against the idea of self-examination and wanting to be better?
And who cares if you don't keep the New Year's resolution?
That's not the point.
The point is that...
Not even that you try, but you acknowledge that you are not all that you yet want to be.
What am I missing, Jack?
Well, so, I mean, it's also, I mean, I'm speaking from a personal perspective.
I like the idea of resolutions, but I would argue that...
Something that could be more powerful than a New Year's resolution or perhaps more effective could be a daily resolution.
Because if you want to talk resolutions, sure, I'm for resolutions.
I just don't think that the New Year's one is particularly effective.
What I was saying before personally is that I've just...
I don't know.
Like, to me, it's like an arbitrary, you know, the calendar is kind of arbitrary to begin with, in the sense that we know that it's a couple of years off from the birth of JC himself.
So the numbers are like, well, we just sort of started the numbers at one point, and there they are.
I'm not saying it's arbitrary in the sense of theologically, but that's a different conversation.
It's like, I don't know.
It's another day of the week to me.
But that being said, a resolution is important, but I would reframe it as a daily resolution.
Say, this is what I'm going to do today.
This is what I'm going to do this month.
This is what I'm going to do in this progression.
In the military, we had different ranks.
So this is what I'm going to do while I'm at this rank to get to the next rank.
This is what I'm going to do in my personal life, etc.
But just, I don't know, like the idea of like, oh, it's New Year's Eve and now it's 2024 and now it's 2025. It just, to me personally, it never really had much resonance at all.
And it's kind of like, you know, the cliche, you go to the gym on January 1st, which, you know, actually we did do, by the way.
So we were in the gym January 1st, January 2nd.
We did a couple of days at the gym.
And then, you know, it's packed.
But then go there a week later.
Go there a month later.
And guess what?
All those people are gone.
Why?
Because they made New Year's resolutions and not daily resolutions.
So I have a sort of funny story about that, which is I kind of agree with Jack.
Like, it's a little arbitrary.
And what I worry is I think we have created such a culture of New Year's resolutions and people know they, like, don't work.
It's almost...
It's like an anti-promise.
It's the promise you make that you almost have social approval to break because everyone expects it to fail.
And what I will say is funny is the one time I, not the one time, but the most memorable time I made a very big shift in my life where I really changed a lot of my behavior all at once.
I'm not sure why, but it didn't happen at New Year's.
It happened, I remember it very well, it happened on April Fool's Day.
So I used to be quite a bit fatter.
And don't look at photos of it.
It's bad, but I think most of them have vanished off the internet.
And the time that I fixed it was on April Fool's Day, 2018. No, it was 2017. 2017. And I'm not even entirely sure what happened, but I remember the details of the day very well.
I went with my roommate, his girlfriend, and a friend of mine, and we went to King's Dominion, an amusement park in central Virginia.
And while we were driving down there, I thought, You know, it's gross.
I'm fat.
That's bad.
I should not be fat.
That's so gross.
I'm going to not eat anything today.
And I didn't eat anything that day.
And I didn't eat anything the following day either.
Or the day after that.
And that actually turned into this gigantic thing where I lost 70 pounds in one year.
And I also read 101 books that year.
It turned into this giant self-improvement frenzy that lasted...
About a year and a half, I would say.
And it was very funny because at the time I remember thinking, I don't think I can maintain this level of intensity for the rest of my life, but I can maintain it as long as I can.
And it was a big part of my life.
And I sometimes wonder if it mattered a lot that it didn't happen on New Year's.
So it made the momentum feel more durable to me.
Just a thought I've had.
Yeah, that's a resolution.
It doesn't matter if it's on New Year's or not.
Just New Year's is a good way to try to wipe away the old year.
And go into the new year.
I also just love New Year's Day.
This New Year's Day was awful.
Well, it was great until it wasn't because Oregon lost in a humiliating fashion.
That's okay.
Humiliating.
Besides that, it was great news.
It was humiliating.
It was awful.
Wow.
Such a surprise.
Yes, I do know that it was a surprise.
It was not good.
So, but I did go through my entire phone.
I do this every year.
I just kind of go through like, oh, who are people I haven't contacted before and people I haven't reached out to and just spend a lot of time doing that and trying to just send a bunch of messages.
I love doing that on New Year's.
And so what are your, anyone have a New Year's resolution to share?
I, you know, I do.
So I said I read all those books in 2018 and then this is, you know.
TMI, but after I had my thing in 2020, Google it if you care, I didn't read a book for six months, and I read a lot more than I did after that happened.
But I do want to, I want to try to read 50 this year.
101 will be hard.
I'm busier than I was in 2017. But I want to read 50 books, one every single week, roughly.
Yeah.
My resolution is I've got to finish my Sabbath book.
Go ahead.
No, you go for it, Charlie.
No, I just said I want to finish the Sabbath book.
I wanted to read a hundred books, but we'll see if I get there.
Audiobooks count.
And yeah, I have some other resolutions too.
Just health stuff that I want to hit.
Go ahead, Andrew.
Yeah, I was reflecting on what Jack said.
And what Blake said, that there's this built-in social acceptance to just fail at your resolutions.
I would say...
I'll answer both questions.
What is my resolution?
I feel like I'm still living up to a resolution that I am bound and determined to keep.
Maybe this is too much behind the scenes, but Charlie and I and a few others were in a small room probably about four years ago, Charlie, I want to say.
Maybe it was five years ago where we mapped out how we wanted to see the Charlie Kirk show grow.
I remember that.
And we put it all on a whiteboard and we mapped it out and I took pictures of it.
And I still look back at that picture, I would say probably once a month, once every two months.
And I check how we're going.
And we're not all the way there yet, but I would say that we're closer to being there than we've ever been.
And that makes me really excited.
The other thing I would say, so I would say that resolutions...
It's a built-in psychology.
If you know that you're not going to keep a resolution, then they're useless.
But the second you honor a promise that you make to yourself, that your yes be yes and your no be no, the more that you believe in yourself internally and you do build this momentum, kind of like what Blake was talking about.
As soon as he took one step in the right direction and he didn't eat food the next day, he ended up...
Gaining momentum.
And I think that's the psychology of resolutions, is that once you actually honor something that's hard internally and mentally for you, the next day is easier, and you keep going, and all of a sudden you build this momentum, and the psychology shifts to becoming, I'm not going to do this, why am I even trying to do this, to, wow, I can't believe I made it this far, I really want to keep going.
And once you turn that corner...
Something really profound and powerful happens, and you become a much more powerful person when you start honoring your own resolutions to yourself.
So I would say, wherever you're at, I love resolutions, they don't have to come at New Year's, but do something really hard and make yourself keep doing it, and you will become a more powerful person as a result of that.
You can actually trust yourself when you commit to doing something that you're going to follow through, and that's a really powerful way to live your life.
Well said.
Andrew, thank you guys.
Jack, Blake, everyone, email us your New Year's resolutions, freedom at charliekirk.com.
We'll be back with another show on Thursday.
Thanks so much.
Talk to you soon.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
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