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Dec. 3, 2024 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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The Smug Student Who Thinks Truth Isn't Real ft. George Janko
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Yes, hello.
Hi.
Okay, so can I give you a list of things I generally disagree with?
You could choose which one.
Alright.
I'm an atheist, so I disagree with your religious claims.
I'll disagree with the two-gender thing.
Well, how it's characterized.
Boom.
They're confused.
They're confused.
And then lastly, maybe...
I think Kamala might be a DEI higher under your definition.
I don't think that's inherently a bad thing.
Okay.
Is there anything you agree with us on?
I think I'm mostly a fiscal conservative.
I think like you, I don't like illegal immigration or high rates of illegal immigration.
That doesn't mean that I will be voting Trump or I think Trump is the best man to solve those problems, but those aren't really what I want to discuss anyway.
So I just wanted to align some things you asked me what I agree with on.
Okay, so which one of those things do you want to discuss?
Let's do religion.
That can involve my friend George here.
Okay.
So, do you believe in absolute truth?
I'm not sure you can provide me just positive evidence that there is absolute truth.
So the answer would be, I'm not sure.
Are you absolutely not sure?
I'm not sure if I'm absolutely not sure.
See, this works if you say no, but it doesn't work if you bottom out in the I'm not, I don't know question.
Right, no, but saying you're not sure, you are not even sure if you're not sure.
So at some point, you just always have to make a truth claim, yeah?
No, you can just be not sure about everything all the way down.
I don't see why you can't.
And my answer would be, I think truth is instrumentalist in theory.
I think it's a thing we choose pragmatically.
For the purposes of discussion, I think you can say, yeah, I think truth exists pragmatically.
Regardless of that, I don't see how you get to God.
Are you alive?
Huh?
Are you alive?
I think I'm alive, yeah.
I think you're alive.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Is the sun shining?
I think it's shining, yeah.
From my frame of reference, it is shining.
Notice how none of this...
Notice how you've gotten no steps closer to proving God.
No, I'm asking questions, man.
Are you sure we did it?
Yeah, I'm sure.
Are you sure we didn't get close to God?
I'm sure in the pragmatic instrumentalist sense.
How sure are you that we did it?
In the pragmatic instrumentalist sense?
Absolutely sure.
I see truth as a utility.
So there is a truth that's absolute?
No, it's instrumentally true.
But you just said it was absolute.
No, absolutely sure in the instrumentalist sense of the word truth.
This is a philosophical tradition that dates back hundreds of years, instrumentalism.
Yeah, which of course we don't subscribe to.
Obviously, yeah.
So, do you believe that murder is objectively wrong?
Epistemologically objective or ontologically objective?
Morally.
See, you didn't answer the question, but...
Both, both epistemologically and ontologically, but for the purpose of discussion...
Okay, so by what you mean, no, I don't think it's objective.
Was Hitler a bad person objectively?
No, if you mean by...
By the way, by the way...
Dude, dude, dude.
Tread slowly.
Tread slowly.
No, but he's being honest.
At its core, atheists cannot say that Hitler was bad.
Can I make the claim now?
Notice who here is relying on feelings and not facts.
Your argument is I feel that Hitler was objective.
No, no, no.
I know.
No, no.
You feel that way.
Can you provide me evidence of how you know?
Can you provide me evidence that morality is objective?
No, of course I can.
Because...
Well, first of all, morality is both reason and revelation, and it's built within to us that murder is wrong.
Wait, okay, where's your evidence of that?
Wait, wait, I'm so sorry.
That's a claim, not evidence.
That's a claim.
Okay, we could spend multiple hours, but in the Western tradition...
So notice how you're saying by tradition...
By the standards.
These are all claims of non-truth value.
Hold on.
Yes, they are.
We believe that truth was revealed to us.
We believe.
Claim.
By God.
Hold on.
But let me...
We can get there.
You can keep on interrupting us.
Okay, keep going.
But let me prove to you how silly your viewpoint is.
Okay.
And how self-evidently wrong.
Okay.
Is it objectively wrong to rape kids?
When you say objective, what I mean by objective, once again, once again...
Can I ask you something?
No, no, no.
Notice how you still haven't given me dispositive evidence on morality's objective.
You're merely saying, my answer is, I feel that way.
Sure, I feel that way.
That's all I can know.
It's objectively wrong to the laws of nature.
What law of nature?
The self-evident nature of existence.
Where is your proof that it's self-evident?
Show me the logical proof that it's self-evident.
Okay, it's in your reason that God gave you in the consciousness and the soul that you have.
Prove that God gave it to me.
Okay, but again, your existence is proof of that.
Again, we can get back down to the first principles of this.
We can, but you don't want to because you know it doesn't look good.
No, it looks actually really good.
No, because you can't give evidence for it.
Built within, again, interrupting does not make you right.
But you keep repeating your point.
I get your point.
No, I don't.
So let me ask you a question in closing.
Since you can't objectively say that Hitler was bad or that child rape is wrong, so...
How did the universe come into existence?
I don't know.
Okay, but science says that it was a big bang or a beginning point, right?
Okay.
So using logic, which you believe in...
Is this the Kalam cosmological argument?
Well, hold on.
Again, you keep interrupting.
Using logic, if space, time, and matter had a starting point, then logically, shouldn't something outside of space, time, and matter have started those things?
How do you know that cause is personal?
How do you know that cause is worth praying to?
How do you know anything?
That's not the question.
Wait, wait, wait.
Okay, sure.
There is a cause.
Oh, that cause is God because it's outside of space, time, and matter.
Wait, wait, wait.
No, no, no.
By definition.
You believe in different things about God.
You think that God is personal.
That's not what we're debating.
No, we're arguing about God.
We're arguing about Christian God.
Yeah, religion.
Hold on, no, no.
We're not debating it.
We're debating whether or not there's a God or not.
No, the Christian God.
I said religion.
You're a religious person.
You're a Christian in nature.
You follow religious tradition.
Calm down.
You said you're an atheist.
Wait, no.
God, historically, Aquinas even defines it this way, is a personal God.
You still haven't gotten to me to prove that it's personal.
I'm happy to get to that.
Okay, then get to it.
Man, I encourage you to act a little bit more humble in your disposition, man.
Okay, I'll try.
Yeah, I'm going to get to the next question because, look, here's what I find with atheists.
They don't want to worship or acknowledge God because many atheists think they are God, and you embody that really well.
I didn't know you were a mind reader, Charlie.
This is news to me.
It's not a mind reader.
I can tell by your behavior.
I will say this.
I hope that you give your life to Jesus Christ.
I hope you do.
I hope you can find evidence.
I hope you can find evidence.
You know what's interesting?
There is evidence.
There is evidence that Jesus...
Hold on.
Last thing.
Do you believe Jesus Christ was a real historical figure?
Yes.
Do you believe that the Gospels are historically accurate and we can prove them with archaeological evidence?
Some parts are.
Some parts are metaphors.
Some parts are allegories.
Some parts are literal.
It depends.
Some parts are attempts at history.
It depends which book or Gospel.
Using rational analysis, why would the disciples lie about the resurrection of Christ?
Okay, we can talk about this.
People, they can be mistakenly wrong about it.
So they would be mistakenly wrong up to the point where they get martyred, burned, and crucified?
The whole point of being mistakenly wrong about something is you believe it's true.
All the way up until the point of death?
The whole point of being mistakenly wrong about something is you believe it's true.
I just want to make sure I understand your position.
Your position is that the twelve disciples who knew Christ best saw him die, and then they all believed a mistaken conspiracy for the rest of their life.
All of them together as a conspiracy.
Yes.
Yes.
There is no firsthand account from the 500. The Gospels are all written by these people.
People have died for crazy claims in the past that we know aren't true.
These are all facts about history.
That's not correct.
Okay, one of the Gospels was written by one of his closest associates, Matthew, the tax collector.
Luke was a fact fighter that was hired by...
No, I didn't say the Gospels weren't written by them.
I said there's no evidence from the 500 that he appeared to.
There's no firsthand accounts.
Again, that's not correct.
Thank you for your time.
We'll get to the next question.
Okay, you cannot answer.
We will pray for you.
Thank you.
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Yep.
I'm interested in talking about something similar as well to what he was talking about.
I'll just frame it in this way from what you had to say.
Just telling him that you hope he serves his life towards Jesus Christ.
Genuine question.
Do you believe serving corporate interests to further disillude the population and draw a lot of hatred between us with your kind of egoism, is that serving Jesus?
And that's not a tech.
I genuinely am really concerned about the antagonism of this entire movement.
I just cannot imagine any world where Jesus would be interested in any word Trump has to say.
Trump himself evidently didn't really read the Bible despite claiming to love it and everything.
His words of just trying to separate the entire country, people, to make profit off a question that you like to ask, like, are you pro-choice or pro-life?
But you know yourself that it's really just a question we shouldn't have to ask.
What is your question?
The question is, how can you sit here making all this money and still say this is in the name of Jesus Christ?
Because a lot of people genuinely love Jesus Christ and don't try to profit off people fighting in the name of Christ.
That's mainly my question.
I'm just really concerned for the people here because you say, how are those 12 people brainwashed?
It's happening to 300 million people in America right now.
So it's not that hard to believe.
Do you think the people wearing MAGA hats are brainwashed right now?
No, dude, I mean, I'm not really interested if they're brainwashed or not.
I'm interested in making sure that they understand the truth, which is that there are no enemies except the people telling you that there are enemies and making money off of that.
Hold on a second.
There are enemies.
People telling you there are enemies.
Hold on a second.
I think the cartel's an enemy of the American people and they sect-trapped the kids in this country.
You'd agree?
Yes.
Okay, so that's an enemy that Donald Trump has pinpointed.
I think that Venezuelan gangs that take over American apartment complexes are enemies.
You would agree?
Hold on.
No, no, no.
You had your part.
I'll have my part.
No, this is pretty moving, man.
But I think you're more moved by Jesus Christ.
And I'm making you a little uncomfortable because you know when the paycheck hits and that's what really matters for you.
Jesus is not too keen with you, sir.
Well, hold on.
Just be honest with yourself, Charlie.
I will be honest.
I'm a sinner and so are you.
And I've given my life to Christ.
Have you?
Christ didn't want you to give your life to him.
He said the kingdom of heaven is within you.
And he didn't believe in any organized religion, in any scripture.
He spoke against all of that, man.
He was in a scene from Nazareth.
Yeah, you are making stuff up.
I just said he was in a scene from Nazareth, which was a Jewish sect of Hebrew peoples.
No, it wasn't.
They actually put themselves out in the desert.
You've come out awfully combative.
I'm sorry.
I'm just concerned about the people who want to love Christ.
Also, it could be kind of nerve-wracking because I could tell you're a little nervous.
There's a lot of people around here that disagree.
Yeah, I mean, you're shaking, so I could tell you're really nervous.
I'm just passionate, sir.
Yeah, no, and that's great.
I'm not worried about making money.
I want real conversations.
I know this is a job for you, but hold on.
How much am I being paid to be here?
I'm not sure.
I don't know.
Does Trump pay you?
No, actually.
So you don't know anything about me, but you think I'm here just for money.
How much did I charge for those hats today?
Yeah, that's...
Yeah, so, but again, it is easy to criticize me, but you don't know anything about me.
I feel like George knows what I'm saying, man.
I've heard you talk about these things, man.
Yeah, so let's talk.
Let's talk.
I think what happens is, and again, I have a heart for you because you're surrounded by people that have an opposite opinion.
So I'm here to let you know I understand where you're coming from.
I don't think we have opposite opinions though.
Yeah, okay.
Let me get to it.
My question is, let's get to what you want to know.
If he's not getting paid, if I'm not getting paid, what is on your heart that you're like, you should not be getting money for this?
Could you elaborate one area that we're making money that we should not be making money in?
I don't know, man.
Having kids hate each other, bro.
That's literally it.
I'm just saying, if you really want to look at what's really happening, we're just making a lot of clips for young people that are too lazy to actually look into politics and philosophy so they can just get a nice laugh off of it.
What do you do for a living?
Landscaping.
Okay, and that's a beautiful job, right?
That gift that you got so you're able to clean up this yard, it's your choice if you want to represent it saying, this is from my God.
Just because we go to work and we get paid, that doesn't mean God's upset with us.
Now, what we do for the kingdom...
fighting for our children.
We are fighting for God.
So if we make a profit by talking about our profits, that's fine.
But if I'm abusing the power of the kingdom to make a profit and I truly don't give about what's going on, that's what's wrong.
God looks at the positioning of your heart.
Charlie doesn't have sleepless nights because he's trying to make people like you able to speak into that mic Even though you guys don't agree, he's waking up every day so you have the ability to do this.
I agree, but what if you just...
I know, man.
You have to do what you have to do to get as many people here.
It's just the level of antagonism is not something anything Jesus Christ would like at all.
Hold on a second, but didn't Jesus say that I came to divide the world, not unite the world?
Didn't Jesus come to say I brought a sword and the sword of truth to turn father against son and mother against daughter?
Didn't Jesus say, those who do not know my name will not see me in the eternal life and know my Father?
And they will say, I do not know who you are and you will be in a sea of eternal damnation.
Christ did not come to unite the world.
He actually came to divide it based on truth.
So this kind of revisionist history that Christ is a John Lennon song and that it's all just going to be peace and harmony is not correct.
We must love all people.
But show me one example where I have been antagonistic against someone.
Who comes up to a mic searching for truth?
I actually started with the first question.
I said, do you agree with us on anything?
How would you like to do this?
I'm not here to pick a fight.
I'm here to try to teach, learn, and listen, right?
Yes, I agree with you 100%.
And there's nothing antagonistic from you I can point out other than literally just this.
You're being brainwashed.
Prove me wrong?
I mean, I could prove you wrong.
This is not antagonistic at all, actually.
I'm more concerned about Donald Trump and you pushing him and his antagonism.
I think that's hard to debate.
I don't think you know very much about any of these topics.
How has Trump been antagonistic?
The guy that's been shot, indicted, impeached, facing 700 years in federal prison, maybe they're the ones being antagonistic to him.
That deification of Trump is crazy, man.
You know it's dangerous to every American.
I don't have a deification of Trump.
You know what I do elevate?
I elevate the suffering of the American people and how Donald Trump will improve their lives.
Donald Trump is a vessel to improve the lives of everyone around you.
So I'm going to just...
We're going to get to the next question.
Thank you for being here.
I would like to say one thing to you, though.
Just because I've been in your situation and your stance.
This is what I want to say to you.
When I was in this position, it's because I didn't want to ask questions.
I wanted to tell them what I think.
And when we could get to a place where you're actually curious to know where our hearts lie instead of accuse us for things you don't know about, you can't grow.
I want you to grow.
Trust me, I know we're on opposite sides of things, but I love you, bro.
I'm telling you we're not, bro.
I love you, too.
Thank you, bro.
And that's why I'm trying to let everyone here know that, like...
There are no enemies except the people that tell you there are.
I know people make money off of ours.
I disagree.
I think the drug cartels are enemies.
I think the American left are enemies of us.
Yeah, fair.
I do.
I think people, for example, I think someone that performs abortions is an enemy of humanity.
Okay.
No, but I'm just going to be honest.
I agree, sir.
So anyway, thank you so much.
We'll get to the next question.
Thank you.
Hey, guys.
Big fan.
Yeah.
Hey.
So, in one of your tours, you said that legal immigration is very high in the country.
What is the basis of that opinion?
And do you want to crack down on the merit-based legal immigration?
Also, a follow-up question.
The 1776 revolution was primarily fought over premise of taxation without representation.
So, legal immigrants are the groups today that are being taxed without any representation.
So do you think that they shouldn't be taxed until they get some representation?
Okay, so we have 1.6 million green cards we give out a year.
So you can look it up in the Center for Immigration Studies.
Yes, we should curtail legal immigration, but that's not the bigger priority.
The bigger priority is illegal immigration.
And your final question is no.
If you are here on a visa, you are receiving benefits from the government, such as protection, national security, defense.
So you should have to pay taxes.
But still, don't you think that legal immigration, especially merit-based, makes the country stronger?
It can.
It also can make it weaker.
How?
Well, for example, we should have an obligation to employ American college graduates before foreign college graduates.
Legal immigration can enhance the country.
But, for example, everybody in this audience who is American-born will be receiving a country that is substantially worse than that of their parents.
Yes.
And so you should prioritize the American worker before the foreigner.
And yes, legal immigrants can enhance one done properly.
I agree with that.
But don't you think that innovation brought by really high merit people creates more jobs?
Like, for example, in AI, like, we should bring all the experts from around the world.
It's probably a good idea.
That's a sliver of what our current immigration status is.
The current immigration program is not merit.
It's family connection.
It's diversity pool and country pool.
That's true.
I completely agree with that.
We agree.
Merit should always dictate our immigration policy.
Do you think we should abolish the 7% cap, country cap, in green card allocation?
Yes, I do.
We should not have a quota on what countries people come from.
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
God bless you.
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Alright, who's up?
If you disagree, you guys are welcome to work your way to the front.
How's it going, Charlie?
It is so hot.
Oh my goodness.
Big fan of both of you guys.
My name is David Navar.
I'm a Hispanic American.
I just wanted to come and just discuss things.
I'm a born-again believer in the Lord Jesus Christ.
I preach the gospel.
But I wanted to just have a discussion because it comes from my background, actually.
So I wanted to ask both of you, actually, one question.
Do you ever think there's a circumstance that it can be morally right to break the U.S. federal law?
Yes, and biblically it supports that belief, yeah.
Okay, cool.
I was honestly expecting something different.
But I just wanted to share kind of my family background.
My mom is from El Salvador.
I'm half Salvadorian, half Mexican.
I don't know if you know, but in the 80s there was a civil war.
She grew up seeing dead body parts outside of her house.
The gangs...
Killed her grandfather, chopped him into pieces.
They were after her father next.
They had to flee to another city in El Salvador.
They were left with what it seemed like no choice but to leave the country, to not die.
They seek asylum from the USA, did not get anything, and they essentially just bled.
And to their brother, who was in Los Angeles, they came illegally, received papers, eventually got forgiven.
I'm a citizen.
But I just wanted to ask if you thought that was morally right.
Which part?
Repeat, it was a long one.
Because your biggest...
Which part was right?
That her coming illegally.
Oh, no.
No, it's not morally right.
Okay.
And why do you believe that?
Well, first of all, it's not right to break into another country.
Okay.
Number one.
Number two...
The circumstance of which she left, she could have declared asylum, right?
Yeah, they tried.
And?
They didn't get anything.
They were denied on asylum?
They did not receive anything.
They were on the verge of death.
Yeah, look, under that circumstance, it is not morally right to break into another country.
Okay, yeah, I wanted to read a quick verse.
Proverbs chapter 24, verse 11. Rescue those being led away to death.
Hold back those staggering towards slaughter.
If you say, but we knew nothing about this, does not he who weighs the heart perceive it?
What I wanted to say, I think this goes above legalism and more towards morality and God's will.
I believe it was the Lord's will for my life to be in here in the United States.
Even if I came in what you say morally wrong, I think...
There are so many circumstances where people are on the verge of life and death.
So let me ask you a question.
Do you think it's biblical if you're hungry to be able to steal money from a grocery store?
No.
Well, then how is it any different to break into somebody's country?
What about Moses getting the Israelites out of Pharaoh?
That was illegally.
Breaking federal law.
Hold on.
First of all, he was leaving a country to the desert.
He wasn't immigrating to a new country, right?
Right.
So that's number one.
Number two, again, it's very clear.
You're not allowed to take other people's property.
That's one of the Ten Commandments.
Thou shall not steal.
So breaking into a country uninvited is stealing.
So do you think that the U.S. coming and stealing the land from the Native Americans, do you think that was morally right?
No, I mean we did a lot of things wrong and a lot of it's overblown.
However, that doesn't answer the question.
So especially when it comes to the movement of people, the Bible is very clear on borders, sovereignty, and the distillation of culture.
And that specific Proverbs verse is not towards government policy but towards the individual.
We should care about people.
And I could apply that verse right now to us turning a blind eye to, I'm sure you'd agree with, abortion happening in America.
Right.
And a blind eye to the child mutilation happening in America.
Okay.
When I was growing up, I tried to help somebody.
I'm going to make this quick.
I tried to help somebody when I didn't have enough money.
And I went to bed hungry that night.
And I was too embarrassed to ask my dad for money because he was already helping me.
And my dad taught me a lesson that day that changed my life.
He goes, only a fool helps another man when he himself can't help himself.
So prepare your home right.
Get the establishment right.
Get the foundation right.
Then we go extend our hand to our neighbors.
But if our home is divided, if we are hurting, we need to put our resources back to the soil, get it back to where it needs to be.
Then we look at our neighbors and we divide and we help.
Okay.
So you're saying that this country is not in a good state to help?
Right now, I think they pushed God out, and we can obviously see that as well.
We're in debt.
We're depressed.
We're sick.
We're diseased.
We can't own homes.
I mean, we're crime-ridden.
We are not in a place right now.
We should help our own people.
Yeah, I agree with the border policies that you are pushing, right?
It's better for the economy, better for citizens.
But what I'm more talking about is the people that need to flee their land, right?
I think you're over-exaggerating the need to flee the land.
If that's the case, then to be consistent, should all of Central America be allowed into America?
No.
Why not?
In the 1980s, there was that situation where my mom was in.
But hold on.
This is another important point.
Why did she not flee to Mexico?
But isn't that legally doing the wrong thing, too?
Hold on.
But this is important, though, is that because Mexico doesn't put up with it.
Right.
But we do.
That's the point.
So you're saying that she should have stayed and died?
I'm not saying what she should have done, all right?
But I am saying, though, that she did something not in the eyes of God.
And I'm sure she's repented for that.
And so she broke the law and broke the customs and then lied about it actively, right?
So...
That's not good.
And it's not a good example for us to raise kids and be like, yeah, I broke into somebody else's home and took their stuff and lied about it and deceived it.
That's pretty immoral.
Yeah, that's a good point.
Second question, if Donald Trump turned away from the Word of God and the other candidate started pushing more to the Word of God, would you change your vote?
Given the current circumstances, there's no quite danger of that right now.
Right, but I'm just asking you in general if that were to happen.
I mean, look, there's limitations to it.
I wish Donald Trump was more pro-life right now, but I super appreciate his moral clarity on the border, child sex trafficking, trans issues.
But yes, if a candidate, regardless of who they are, no longer have a worldview that fits my own, I will not support them.
Sam, if a toddler comes running for president, but he's pushing the gospel, I'm voting for the toddler.
I don't vote for Trump because I like everything that Trump brings to the table, but I know that he represents my God.
So when he's speaking, he's not ashamed to speak about Jesus.
King David was a good king, but he still sinned and he still fell short, but he had his eyes on God.
And as long as you're morally correct with Christ, then you have my vote.
I'm not trying to make America great again.
I'm trying to make America fear God again.
Yeah, that's good.
All right, guys.
I appreciate both of you.
Have a great day.
Have a great one, bro.
Thank you.
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This is more of a point of inquiry.
With the right in regards to Israel and Palestine, we have seen a lot of disagreements.
You know, Candace Owens is now more pro-Palestine.
Meanwhile, you have Ben Shapiro and they say more of the mainstream right has solidified around Israel.
Which position are you on personally?
Well, I'm pro-America, first and foremost, but I love Israel, and I think our relationship with Israel has a really important role geopolitically and also morally.
And there's a series of questions I could ask.
I don't know what side of it you're on, but yeah.
You know, there's a very good quote from Hamlet, a plague on both – not Hamlet, Romeo and Juliet, a plague on both your houses.
I will not side with Islamic fundamentalists.
On the other hand, I think Israel – they were justified when the hostages were taken, but I think they have destabilized the region to an extent.
They're still hostages, right?
I'm as grim as it is.
I mean, the Israelis, whatever else you can say about it, they have spent a year doing nothing but looking for these people.
And Hamas, I'm not necessarily sure Hamas is great at leaving people alive.
My grandpa is from Ireland.
They had a terrorist group as well.
And if you know anything about them, people who were captured tend to not come back.
Yeah.
Yeah, so, I mean, that's fine.
I answered the question.
And then the fundamental question is, do you believe the Jewish people have a right to their ancestral homeland?
I think they do.
So we agree.
I agree on that.
But I would also say that with their current invasion of Lebanon, especially bombing peacekeepers who are...
I mean, the UN probably shouldn't be there to begin with, but probably still shouldn't be bombing their guys.
I think they're destabilized.
If you look at us, ever since the Carter administration, we've done nothing but try and build a system.
We forced the Egyptians and Israelis to agree to something.
We forced the Lebanese civil war to end.
And I do feel the Israelis are putting that system that we put in place that until recently did preserve their security in jeopardy.
And I think...
They should still have a right to exist, but I don't think we should be putting more pressure on them to be like, hey, we spent a lot of time building this man.
We can't let you destroy it.
It's a fair point.
I don't know if I agree with all of it, but thank you very much.
I appreciate it.
Thank you.
Alright, disagreements, guys, as you want to come up here?
Yeah, sure.
Question, where do I go out?
Good luck.
If you guys would allow the people, make room for the people with the hands up, we would appreciate it.
Yes, thank you.
Alright, hello, my name is Ranger.
It's nice to meet you.
Alright, hello, my name is Ranger.
It's nice to meet you both.
So I have two questions for you.
The first of which is, you were talking about you want an America that fears God.
But it's believed to be back to the fundamentals of when this country was started and the Constitution was made, that there's supposed to be a separation of church and state, but it seems you don't believe that anymore.
Well, where does it say that in the U.S. Constitution?
It was written in the Constitution.
I don't exactly remember what part, but it has been written.
It's not, actually.
And that's okay.
I'm going to help you out here.
There's the Free Expression Clause and the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.
What you're thinking of is that Congress shall make no law prohibiting or promoting the exercise of religion or the free exercise thereof.
Now, mind you, the separation of church and state is not in the U.S. Constitution.
And that's okay.
Not a lot of people know this.
It is from a letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote in 1803 to the Danbury Baptist Convention in Massachusetts saying to the church, the government will not come after you.
There was no question at the time of the founding that God played a central role in all of our government.
In fact, God is there in four times mentioned in the Declaration of Independence.
And never should we – and you would agree there should never be separation of morality and state.
Thank you.
But then I have another question, not the second question, but do you believe there should be a separation between those two things, church and state?
Well, it depends on, well, let's play it out.
Do we currently have that?
During COVID, the government was able to shut down the church.
Should that be allowed?
I mean, I don't believe so, no.
Okay, so the point is that we don't even have separation of church and state because the state was able to tell the church whether or not that you could practice on Easter.
Now, that's the standard that they currently have.
Do I believe in a separation of morality and state?
Of course not.
Now, the morality that built the West is the Ten Commandments.
The Ten Commandments is the best rules of life for any society to flourish and to be able to succeed.
You shall have no other gods before me.
You shall have no other idols.
You shall not take the Lord's name in vain.
Honor your mother and fathers who may live long in the land of which you are in.
Honor the Sabbath day and keep it holy.
Do not murder.
Do not steal.
Do not bear false witness.
Do not covet.
Do not commit adultery.
It's out of order, but that's still the Ten Commandments.
That those rules for life is what the founders believed, so much so that they're in the halls of Congress and the Supreme Court.
That we believe is transcendently transmitted to us, and that when we do not submit to those Ten Commandments, our country starts to fall apart.
But if you think about it, most wars, when religion gets entangled into a culture, and even government, most wars have started because of that.
So that's a talking point that has no basis, and that's okay because a professor told you that, so let's go to the truth.
And I'm going to ask you a couple questions.
What religion did Mao Zedong believe in the great murderer of China who killed 50 million people?
He was an atheist.
What religion did Joseph Stalin believe in who killed over 30 million people of the Soviet Union?
He was an atheist.
So that's 80 million people murdered in two countries in just the 20th century that did not believe in any religion.
So it's an easy talking point to say that religion causes war, but in reality, it seems as if actually...
Totalitarian dictatorships rooted in atheism and a lack of the divine is what caused more human suffering in the 20th century than not.
Adolf Hitler was not a Christian.
Adolf Hitler was at war with God and thought he was God and a total maniac.
So there is no basis for what you're saying.
You might be thinking about like the Crusades or something like 600 or 700 years ago or the Inquisition.
If that's the case, I think you need a better argument because religion actually keeps people sane, free, and moral, not towards war and conflict.
But isn't the war that's currently occurring in Israel and Palestine over religion and their land?
Yes and no.
It's more over territories and boundaries.
Of course they're religious wars, but if you look at the major wars over the last 30 or 40 years even, some are religious, some are not.
But Russia and Ukraine, are they fighting over religion?
No.
No.
Or Central African Republic Civil War, are they fighting over religion?
No.
So it's an easy talking point.
There really is no truth to it in the modern era.
Okay, so my other question for you.
So my other question is, I know you believe there is something wrong with being LGBTQ. Fundamentally because of...
I don't believe it.
I believe what my religion teaches me.
Okay.
So on that, why do you believe there's something wrong with being LGBTQ? Again, so I independently don't come to these beliefs.
I believe in what nature teaches us, but most importantly, what the scriptures teach us.
And there's a more important point.
I don't believe anybody is LGBTQ. You act a certain way.
There's only two distinctions.
They're saved and unsaved.
That's why it says in the scriptures in Leviticus, a man shall not lie with another man like he does a woman.
It's the behavior that is prohibited by God.
But there's been so many studies, and it's been proven that you don't become this way.
You don't just magically one day wake up and say, oh, I'm gay now.
That's not my contention.
You just are born this way.
But you make a decision whether or not to act on it, right?
So for example, people have impulses to cheat on their wife, commit adultery.
Is that morally wrong?
Yes.
So adultery is morally wrong, but why is homosexuality not morally wrong?
Because that's just an impulse.
That is something you are born with.
Every man will tell you there's an impulse to cheat on your girlfriend or to potentially your wife.
No, that's not an impulse.
That is a decision you consciously make.
Hold on a second.
No, it's not.
It's an impulse built into male sexual behavior.
Yes, it is.
Okay, I hate to break it to you.
Every man will tell you that you're wrong.
That male nature is to sleep with as many women as possible.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.
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