Seth Gruber is one of the most effective pro-life advocates in America. He's the founder of the White Rose Resistance, named after the heroic Christian students who lost their lives opposing the evils of the Nazi regime. At the Believers' Summit, Charlie and Seth shoot down the justifications for abortion and the best ways to make the case for life, and why the 2024 election is such a critical one for protecting the unborn.Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Seth, welcome back, man.
Thanks, brother.
Appreciate you.
Thank you.
So, Seth is, without a doubt, one of the most important and effective pro-life voices and organizers in the country, and we first met when you were under a different deal, and now you have your own thing, and it's growing into a beautiful movement.
Yeah, thanks to, really, you, Charlie, Rob McCoy, and Jack Gibbs.
We've always believed in you.
Yeah, Charlie's been so supportive.
I was a whippersnapper, and people were like, why should we let a guy with no uterus talk about abortion?
And then Charlie just started making introductions for me, and with Jack and Rob, we're now the fastest-growing pro-life organization in the country.
Yeah, with a very clear mission and a very easy-to-identify Yeah, so we'll talk in a second about the 1916 project because of all the Nazi-esque, eugenics, demonic, weird, kooky, pedophilic, diddle-the-kids connections that have birthed our culture of death.
And so because of that, I have studied a lot of the stories of Christian resistance.
Historically, but particularly in the Third Reich.
And Bonhoeffer's like a hero of mine.
Metaxas is like in my documentary now, and we're like friends, which is so cool, because I like fanboyed over him for years, because I had read his biography on Bonhoeffer at 20 years old, and it changed my life.
And so studying some of these figures, I came across the story, Charlie, of these 20-somethings in Nazi Germany, and they called themselves the White Rose Resistance.
And Hans and Sophie, this brother-sister duo, were writing, distributing anti-Nazi illegal leaflets, calling the church and people of conscience to do something.
They said, if you know, why do you not act?
They wrote in their leaflets, we are the White Rose Resistance, we are your bad conscience, and we will not leave you alone.
Turns out they were spreading these all across Germany, taking trains in the middle of the night, and they were spray painting down with Hitler on German-owned buildings.
So Hitler didn't like them, the Third Reich didn't like these kids, but they didn't know who was behind the White Rose Resistance.
And so in 1943, they took things to the next level and they did a leaflet campaign at the University of Munich.
They were arrested, they were beheaded, they were murdered.
Because they were murdered on February 22, 1943, they missed a meeting they had scheduled four days later to build Christian resistance and mobilize with other believers in the Third Reich.
That meeting would have been with Dietrich Bonhoeffer.
And so all these kids were in their 20s, and over the next nine months, the Third Reich found all of them and executed all of them.
The rose is the symbol of the resistance, right?
It's the symbol of innocence, of purity, and so we're saying that we're rebuilding the white rose resistance for this generation against our silent but far more deadly holocaust of abortion.
So the whole Godwin's Law thing, Charlie Wright's like, oh here comes another Nazi comparison, but it's like, if you know the history.
Behind the eugenics movement.
This is the actual one time you should use the Nazi thing?
Yeah, it's like, it's like, no, no, no, it's like very deserving of, of, and so we'll talk about that.
I think that's right.
So, um, this is such an important conversation.
I want to make sure we get audience questions here because the abortion topic is the political topic of the year and cultural topic.
As you know, Seth, I wear many hats.
And I advocate for this stuff on campus, right, and get a lot of hate for it, and I've learned a lot from you, and I call Seth up all the time.
He can attest to this.
Hey, Seth, how do I navigate this one very specific objection, right?
So let's kind of just go through this.
It is tempting for—let's really emphasize the Christian aspect of this, because this is a believer audience, and Christians should be held to a higher standard.
When it comes to this, right?
So someone who's lost on the sidewalk, I don't expect them to be speaking out on abortion, like someone who calls himself a pastor.
What is your message to a pastor, such as Matt Chandler, any one of these people, and we all know who they are, Ed Stetzer and all of them, who say, I don't preach politics, I refuse to speak about abortion.
What is your message to those people?
I said one time on a Sunday morning, I think it was at Pastor Jack Kibb's church, Charlie, and you know how sometimes You know, the spirit just, like, impresses on you and you say something you've never said before in a way you've never said it before and you're like, whoa!
That was cool, Lord, yeah?
And so I said once to that, I said, you know, I don't preach on politics, I just preach the gospel.
No, no, you know, you refuse to preach against false religion that masquerades as politics to keep the politically impotent pastor silent.
And I said that once on a Sunday morning out of nowhere, and I've said it ever since, because this is fundamentally theological and spiritual.
And the clip that went viral and got me tons of new opportunities was a clip with TP Faith, actually, in my Instagram.
And there's this Catholic philosopher, his name's Peter Kreeft.
I think he's like 90 now, he's still alive.
And I think he spoke more prophetically, Charlie, on the issue of abortion than any Protestant I've ever heard, and I'm a Protestant.
Catholics deserve a lot of credit for their pro-life stances.
I get hate when I say that, but I will say it again.
I mean, Chesterton, one of the most brilliant minds of the 20th century, and actually one of the most vocal Christian voices against Sanger and her eugenicist ilk, is a Catholic, and we need to read good Catholics.
So, Peter Krafft said, Church, don't you know abortion is the demonic parody of the Eucharist?
And that's why it uses the same holy, holy words.
This is my body.
But with the opposite blasphemous meaning.
So, of course, Olympics opening ceremony last night, they're mimicking the communion and the Last Supper.
Similarly, abortion says, this is my body.
But Christ says, this is my body.
I break it for you.
Take and eat in remembrance of me.
So the culture of death says, this is my body and I break you, baby, for me.
And so, by the way, every god believes that they can live forever, right?
So rather than accepting the broken body and shed blood of Christ for eternal life, oh, because that requires repentance, they demand that we break the bodies and shed the blood of babies for eternal life.
Now, if you think that's a weird, kooky, conspiratorial, Fauci thingy, weird thing to say, let me just tell you, ever heard of embryonic stem cell research?
How about fetal organ harvesting?
Fetal tissue research.
Oh yeah, remember Kamala Harris, Attorney General in California, raiding the apartments of pro-life undercover journalists David Daleiden and Sandra Merritt?
For selling baby body parts.
For selling baby body parts.
So this happens.
And then here's a new one, Charlie.
It's called prenatal gene editing.
It's sick.
It's like Mengele's blushing in hell.
So they conceive babies in test tubes in labs.
So these are souls.
These are image bearers of God.
And they try to edit their gene code.
Now here's the thing, the baby dies in the process.
But hey, that's an acceptable sacrifice for the liberal establishment because if we can perfect the gene editing on the little babies, Then when it's safe, we can do gene editing on what?
Us!
And edit out of the gene code certain susceptibilities to diseases and disorders so we can learn to live just a little bit longer.
So what's the common denominator between all those things?
The baby sacrificed for man's pursuit of eternal life.
But eternal life was already granted to you if you would repent.
So it's always been fundamentally theological and spiritual.
And let me add one more thing to that, Charlie, about how spiritual this is.
And I'm not political.
No, it's theological and spiritual.
It's actually demonic.
One of the jokes I get the most, you've probably gotten this joke, Charlie, when you speak on Pro-Life on social media.
I get messaged this joke.
I get commented on it by liberal troll and abortion troll social media accounts.
And I get this on a regular basis.
So this is not something that happens once or twice a year.
The big funny thing in abortion circles is to joke about eating fetuses.
I'm not joking.
I have like 80,000 Instagram followers, and all the comments and jokes from abortion crazies is, ha ha ha, I'm eating a fetus.
Fetuses are so delicious.
But what did Peter Kreeft just say?
That it's the demonic parody of the Eucharist.
This is my body.
So if they're saying, this is my body, quoting the words of our Savior at the First Communion, what follows immediately after the words, this is my body?
Take and eat.
And the, but pastors say I might, I might have some wine mom in my congregation that's mad if I tell her abortion's wrong.
Yeah, so.
And just so you know, a majority of people that go to church are pro-abortion, just so we're clear.
Just so we're clear.
Yeah, most Christians are pro-abortion.
Seth, am I wrong when I say this?
So they would say, no, don't call me that, I'm pro-choice.
Okay, but choose what?
Yeah, they're pro-abortion.
So you should always call pro-choice people pro-abortion.
I've reconfigured the... You should always call them pro-abortion.
That's right.
Don't even use the verb.
I refuse the pro-choice label.
Choose what?
Exactly.
So we know from Gallup and from other polling and stuff that about 35 to 40 percent of people
who get abortions and help kill their babies say that they're Protestant or Catholic and
attend church on a weekly basis.
Those people that get abortions, not support abortion.
No, actually get them.
But get abortions.
Yeah.
So women move silently from the pews to the local abortion mill and the pastors have almost
nothing to say about it.
I will say that means in this audience, at least a couple of you had abortions.
If you've repented of Jesus, Jesus has absolved you of that.
Amen.
And we're not here to shame you about that or moralize.
It's just a fact of the matter.
Amen.
And the only ask I have out of you is don't get mad when other people talk about the topic just because you might have had that.
Yeah.
Because I get that all the time.
People say, Charlie, you can't... Me too.
Right?
All the time.
I had an abortion.
You're not allowed to talk about abortion.
You don't understand it.
Yeah.
At churches all the time.
Right, Seth?
Yep.
It's really important to address the post-abortive men and women.
That's important.
We forget about the men in this far too much.
In fact, we know that if men would stand up and defend that child and love that mom, the abortion rate would go plummeting down.
And that's not just a common sense thing, though it is.
It's actually statistical, too.
It's empirical.
Yeah, it's empirical.
And so the Guttmacher Institute, named after Alan Guttmacher, who took over for president of Planned Parenthood when Margaret Sanger died, he became the president of Planned Parenthood.
So the Guttmacher Institute is Planned Parenthood's statistical research branch.
They're reporting, so Planned Parenthood's reporting, I've looked at the reasons U.S.
women choose abortions, you can go Google this study, the reasons U.S.
women choose abortions, Guttmacher, and you look at the reasons, and the common denominator of almost all of them, of the majority, has something to do with an absence of a weak, absence of a man, or the presence of a weak man.
It's like inability to provide for dependents.
Children.
Relationship problems.
School.
I don't know how to pay for the baby while going to school.
It's like, what would solve that?
Maybe a man stepping up.
And so we know this just empirically.
It's very important.
But for the post-abortive men and women, and I say this in congregations all the time and it's really important, listen, Jesus is just as eager to forgive the sin of abortion as any other sin.
And if you want proof of that, by the way, there's this guy named King David.
Ever heard of him?
Man after God's own heart.
You know what his other title was, right, Charlie?
Peeping Tom.
So, Bathsheba.
Bathsheba Ulala impregnates her and murders her husband.
So, listen to this.
King David arranged the death of an innocent human being to hide and cover up his own sexual sin.
So, for you guys listening to this episode right now, maybe you arranged the death of an innocent human being to hide and cover up your own sexual sin.
But if there's grace for King David, there's grace for you.
And you can be a mighty man or woman of valor and a man or woman after God's own heart too.
In fact, the healed post-aborted men and women of America, if healed and set free because of pastors bold enough, To call them to repentance and help them start a journey of healing and walk alongside with them could be one of the secret backdoor entrances to ending abortion in America.
So, the landscape has changed here and I'm going to do some rapid fire questioning here because I think it's really important and then I want to talk about Trump because you've been critical of him but also are voting for him and I think that's important to explore and I want to just have an open conversation about it.
The first of which, let's do some rapid-fire stuff.
How many abortions are there now, including the abortion pill, in America per year?
So 2023 was just over 1 million last year.
Okay, so about a million a year.
And 63% of those were the medication RU483.
Mifepristone, right?
Mifepristone and Mifeprex.
Mifepristone and Mifeprostol, the two regimens.
Without getting too wonky, that is when it goes in and removes the baby from the uterine wall, is that correct?
Or it does not allow the baby to attack the uterine wall.
No, no, no, no.
So this is what we're talking about.
That would be perhaps the morning after pill.
That's the day after pill.
I got it, okay.
This is the actual chemical abortion pill.
Yeah, this is mimicking an actual abortion at home on the toilet, right?
Yeah, that's right.
So, RU486, by the way, it's sort of a Nazi-esque kind of thing, and I know we said we were going to get towards that, but it was created by a French pharmaceutical company named Roussel-Ucloth.
So the RU, RU-486 is the name of the abortion bill, Rucel Ucloff.
Bill Clinton brought it to America in the year 2000.
Well, Rucel Ucloff has a majority shareholder named Hoechst AG.
Hoechst AG was a German chemical company and in 1916, which is strange, it's the same year Sanger opened her first clinic, the same year Hoechst AG co-founded another German chemical company known as IG Farben.
IG Farben later became infamous for the creation of a cyanide gas known as Zyklon B, the gas used to poison Jews in Nazi
death camps. So Hook's AG simply shifted from creating poison to murder Jews to creating poison to
murder babies, same company. Hmm.
But the RU46 abortion pill is a two pills. It's Mifepristone and Misoprostol. Mifepristone or
Mifeprex cuts off the hormone progesterone without which the lining of the uterus breaks down,
and the baby is, literally speaking, starved to death.
So all nutrients to the child through the umbilical cord is cut off.
So we're starving children.
24 to 48 hours later, she's told to take misoprostol at home.
So you understand this is not happening at an abortion clinic.
At home, and it forces you, actually it forces you to have contractions.
You actually start childbirth.
And they tell you, sit on the toilet, don't look, and flush.
And so that was 630,000, let me say that again, 630,000 babies last year were probably flushed down the American sewage system.
And so the, and I want to just get into this briefly, the amount of women that are going to the ER because they're bleeding out and that they are also getting harmed by this is unbelievable.
Like, let's just, it is an unsafe medical procedure that is being mailed in.
Yeah, we could do a longer episode about it, it's hard to get into the details, but they lie about it, Charlie.
But they totally lie about it, and I just want to make sure everyone's clear, this isn't... They get their data and they say, no, it's safe.
There's two victims here, okay, the baby down the drain, and also the woman that's bleeding out there.
Okay, so, and the reason why they lie is because most women who have complications, severe complications from the abortion pill, they're not going back to the abortionist or whoever they got the abortion pill to to report the complications, but the FDA requires that people who give the women the abortion pill report the complications.
But if those providers who are given the abortion pill aren't having the women come back to them, so those women usually report those complications to ER, or a primary physician, so they don't even get wrapped into the people that are required to report the data.
And then the abortion industry Planned Parenthood can say, as Cecile Richards, the president of Planned Parenthood, said in a Los Angeles Supreme Court editorial, that the abortion pill is safer than Tylenol.
And that's how they get away with saying that.
What did the Supreme Court rule?
That you can't outlaw this procedure?
Is that correct?
Yeah.
The recent Supreme Court decision on the emergency bill.
Yeah, they said that you cannot outlaw this procedure.
I just want to say from a messaging standpoint, I think a most majority of people think this is the day after pill when it's something technical.
Do you believe that to be true just from like how the audience receives it?
Yeah, yeah, I meet a lot of people who aren't like in the fight every day.
Yeah, they mix it up.
They think there's, because just so we're clear, the day after pill could be an abortion but it's not technically it also could
technically not be an abortion. It could yeah because you could still
get pregnant and it could cause an early abortion so if you don't know pro-lifer
shouldn't be doing that. Right of course. But we're talking about the RU486
abortion pill which you only take when you know you're pregnant. Which is
completely morally a different category right? Yeah.
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There are some states that have made abortion illegal.
However, we are not allowed to make the surgical procedure of abortion illegal.
at-home abortion is illegal. Yeah, I think it might have gone back to a lower court.
Okay. And we're still following that. But I mean, this is very problematic because
states that have banned abortion, like Tennessee, Texas, and others, guess what?
They're shipping illegal abortion bills into those states, breaking their state law.
Snail mail. You don't understand what we're talking about.
We're talking about a snail mail murder.
And kids can get it in 48 hours or less without parental consent on Amazon.com.
Oh, by the way, the sex trafficking industry loves the abortion industry.
And so thanks to the Biden administration, who immediately allowed snail mail, mail order murder abortion pills fully accessible within the first 100 days of the Biden administration.
Now traffickers are posing as 18-year-old, 19-year-old young women on telemedicine calls, getting abortion pills and slipping them into the drink of their sex workers, because if they get pregnant, then they can't turn a profit for the trafficker.
And so, as it turns out, the sex trafficking industry loves the abortion industry, which means the sex trafficking industry loves the Democrat Party.
So, what do you say when somebody says, but Seth, I'm going to go through the three objections here, and then I want to talk Trump, and then questions.
We'll go quick.
And 1916 Project.
You could weave that in whenever you want.
I was leading towards that.
So, really quick.
Seth, we need abortion because of rape.
Yeah, so these are fun.
Here's how you do this.
You say, if I give you rape, which is half of 1% of the annual abortion rate, will you join me, Democrat pro-choicer, to fight to end the 99.5% of all other abortions that don't result from rape?
And every pro-choicer says no, to which I say, then stop hiding behind rape victims to make yourself look more compassionate.
And secondly, just so we're clear, it is Guttmacher's own numbers that 99.5% are all non-rape abortions.
Secondly, if I had two projectors here and one showed a baby, an ultrasound that was conceived through a monogamous, you know, consensual couple, and one that was rape, which one is which?
Yeah, exactly.
You would not be able to tell.
They're both human beings, right?
And the reason for that's important.
We don't punish children for the crimes of their father, and we certainly don't murder children for the crimes of their father.
And here's the funny thing, as you know about progressives, right, and secular progressives, is they don't really like the death penalty.
They like springing criminals from the clink.
They don't really support life in prison for rapists.
They definitely don't support capital punishment for rapists.
They definitely don't do that.
So interesting, the child will be murdered.
The child will get capital punishment.
But the rapist won't.
The only guilty person.
Seth, it's a fetus.
Yeah, the Latin word for offspring or small child.
So next time a pro-choicer says, it's not a baby, it's a fetus, you can just say, you're right.
But it's so small.
It's an offspring, and it's a small child.
But Seth, it's small, therefore it's insignificant.
Yeah, so there's four main arguments that pro-abortion advocates use to dehumanize, deperson, and justify the killing of the unborn, and they're summarizing the acronyms SLED, size, level of development, environment, that's location, and degree of dependency.
So the baby's smaller.
Yeah, well, you know, toddlers are smaller than teenagers.
That doesn't make it okay to kill them, okay?
Size has no bearing on your value or dignity.
Barber's dry sand is not less valuable than Shaquille O'Neal.
Level of development.
Oh, the baby's less developed.
And so because it's less developed, it doesn't have certain cognitive abilities
like self-awareness, consciousness, desires, etc., etc.
Yes, the baby's less developed.
We all find ourselves on a different tick mark on the continuum of human development.
But our value doesn't come from our level of development.
And when you start grounding rights on cognitive abilities you may or may not have yet because you're not far enough down the level of development trajectory, we enter actually very eugenic, very dangerous territory if we start saying, well, it's self-awareness and desires.
Okay, well, did you know Buddhists try to reach nirvana?
And if that, I don't think that's possible, but if it is, do you know what it is?
It's the eradication of all desires.
So can we suicide or kill Buddhist people who reach nirvana because, like the fetus, they don't have any desires?
What about suicidality?
Isn't that out the window right now in America?
In Gen Z?
Suicide?
That would mean you don't desire to go on living.
So like the unborn child, you don't have a desire for a right to life.
Can we murder people with suicidal tendencies?
Do you see where this goes when you start grounding rights based off of cognitive abilities that may or may not you have yet based off your level of development?
E, environment, location.
Yeah, where one is has no bearing on who one is.
Okay, there's no fetus fairy sprinkling magical personhood conferring fairy dust on the child as it exits the vaginal canal.
Not a person, person!
Not a person, person!
It's ridiculous.
And so the Democrat Party once said that blacks who live on the property of plantation owners are not persons now say that babies who live on the property of their mothers are not persons.
We've heard these kind of arguments before.
And dependency.
They're dependent on the mother.
And by the way, that's true.
In the early first trimester, in all the first trimester, in the early second trimester, the baby cannot survive apart from their dependency on their mother.
But if you want to start the dependency route, Hmm.
What, uh, are you paying your college salary, you 17-year-old, 19-year-old Marxist college Stanford student?
I'm gonna use that.
That's a good one.
You're very dependent.
You're still sucking on your parents, you know, financial teat.
So I don't think you really want to, like, put in this, put in place the premises that would justify your own slaughter.
Oh, and then what about grandma, grandpa?
What about they're on dementia?
Um, what about infants?
I'm pretty sure that if you leave an infant in a crib, they'll just die.
So it's very dangerous to start saying your value or right to life may be dependent on how independent you are.
So those are the four primary ways the left tries to dehumanize and deperson the preborn.
And what's the takeaway?
We can show them an example of a born person who would also fail to meet that same litmus test for personhood and can therefore be killed as well.
Love that.
So, I told you he was good.
So, rape and cest are similar.
Life of the mother.
This is one that is harder to navigate.
Some people will say there are never such cases.
What is your take on that, Seth?
Yeah, abortion's never medically necessary to save mom's life.
And I've had some pro-lifers and pastors tell me that I need to repent for lying and deceiving their congregation.
I'm like, bro, you have no idea what you're talking about.
So, here's the thing.
Even in a high-risk pregnancy that could take mom's life, which it's 2024, In the 21st century in America, guys, which means we can almost always save the life of both mother and child, even in a dangerous, high-risk pregnancy that could take mom's life.
Praise God.
You just get the baby to 24, 25 weeks, and then you can do a C-section, the baby will be fine, if mom's gonna die soon anyways.
Those are super rare that you even have to pick between delivery or letting mom die.
Super rare.
But abortion's never the option.
So if the continuation of the pregnancy will kill mom, you don't go in with forceps and rip limbs off, you induce early labor with Pitocin or you perform a C-section.
And guess what?
That's safer for mom!
Then the abortion would be for her in the first place, which I thought was what the left was about.
Abortion is healthcare.
By the way, abortion is not healthcare, because pregnancy is not a disease and babies aren't tumors.
So go tweet that.
So you just induce early labor.
Or perform a C-section.
So, it's amazing.
That's amazing.
Now, some people will say, well, you delivered the baby early, so you killed the baby, because they weren't developmentally advanced enough to die.
Babies have survived as early as 21 weeks.
Yes, that's true.
But who really thinks that actively tearing limbs off in an abortion is the same kind of intention in inducing early labor and giving the baby their best chance?
Because I'm talking about, these are so crazy rare cases, by the way.
But if you had to pick between the baby and the mom, you would deliver the baby and give the baby their best chance and try to save their life in a neonatal NICU center, and then mom's okay.
And just so we're clear, the miracles that happen in NICU centers thanks to, again, I'm not a huge fan of modern medicine, but this is one development that we should praise God that modern medicine is getting better.
is amazing. We're talking about 21, 22, 23 weeks of kids that are beating odds that 20 years ago,
22 weeks kids were not surviving 20 years ago. And we now have 22 week NICU babies, 21, and we're
getting earlier and earlier and earlier. And so when they say, the best way to confront this
issue is saying, we're not saying do nothing if the mom's life is compromised.
We're saying the intervention is delivery, not termination.
Yep, that's right.
Is that right, Seth?
Yep, that's right.
So, it's a very important distinction.
Abortion is never medically necessary to save mom's life.
So, Seth, let me ask you this.
You want a question on that?
You want to be a pro-life ninja, by the way?
So here's a good question for ProAborts.
You guys can use it.
I've used it at university campuses.
It's very fun.
So CBS News reported in May of 2019 that a baby named Baby Sabi, her name was Sabi, was born in December 2018 at 23 weeks, weighing just 8.6 ounces.
That's the weight of an apple.
And she had been released home.
The San Diego Hospital worked heroically to save Baby Sabi's life at 23 weeks and succeeded.
So here's a good question, pro-life.
Are you ready for this for all your pro-abortion friends?
Why should it be wrong to kill baby Sabi at 23 weeks but be okay to kill a fetus in utero at 29 weeks?
That's the insanity of choice.
There are hospitals in this country who on the same floor Are working heroically to save the life of a 23 week old born prematurely child and in the other wing on the same floor.
They're performing a third trimester abortion.
It's the same nurses.
That happens.
There are nurses that in one shift will go save a baby, the next shift go perform an abortion.
That happens every month in America.
Same human beings.
Seth, so I want to preface it with this, that abortion is kind of in vogue with the political climate.
Some people have been critical of President Trump, yourself included.
However, to your great credit, you're still voting for Trump.
Is that fair to say?
Yep.
And you're voicing support.
You're a pro-life warrior, pro-life advocate.
I want to be very open and transparent because other people might be wrestling with some of the pro-life issues.
However, you're able to address it and still support him.
Can you walk us through that?
Thanks, Charlie.
I appreciate your transparency.
I've been getting asked that a lot and I have donors who are happy with me and I have donors who are very ticked at me at the ministry and I'm doing my best to do what I believe is the right thing.
I rip the left and the right regularly whenever they deserve it, because I'm a Christian, and I believe in the Word of God, and I believe that we need to stand by what the Word of God says, and not the political winds.
I don't think we should stick our finger up in the wind, in the air, and see which way the wind's blowing.
And so I have not liked President Trump's comments, and I voted for him both times, on, it's all about the states, states, woo!
You know, and then coming out against Arizona's abortion ban and saying that that went too far.
And I don't like Carrie Lake saying that stuff.
And it's very frustrating to have a conservative movement that seems to be prioritizing walking away from their historic commitment to the unborn.
But I also believe this.
I also believe that Trump is a byproduct Of a weak, disengaged, 60-year-long sleeping church in America.
I think that's right.
Evangelicals are the largest voting bloc in the country.
But who shows up the worst at the polls?
The same voting.
So we're the largest and the weakest voting bloc in the country.
That's ridiculous.
So he's a symptom of that.
Why don't we have godly men leading and running for office, spirit-filled, getting elected to tear down the high places?
of Baal and Asherah poles and sex cults and child sacrifice.
By the way, the question is not, will there be a theocracy?
The question is, whose theocracy and whose religion? Someone's religion and
worldview will actually end up being the dominant one in the public square.
Have you learned that since 2020? Nature abhors a vacuum.
So listen, I'm all about Christian nationalism, whatever the heck that means.
I'm for it.
I'm a Christian, and I want to prioritize American interests first, and I also want to support believers, because that's the religion that founded this country and provides the only philosophical consistent basis for freedom and natural rights and liberty in the first place.
Love it all, but why don't we have those kinds of men running for office?
Why?
Because we've been weak.
We've been disengaged from the culture.
I laugh at Trump.
I love him in so many ways.
But this thing's been really ticking me off.
Because a nation that murders its own children is doomed to fail.
We're sowing the seeds of our own suicide and destruction in America.
If we walk away from marriage and the unborn, which is the two things the GOP recently weakened their language on, which communicates to future Republicans that run for office that they don't have to take those issues that much seriously because it's no longer in the platform.
There used to be a pro-life party in Canada.
You and I have talked about this, Charlie.
That's right.
There's one abortion block.
Yep.
And now they've walked away from their commitment to the unborn, so the Conservative Party in Canada no longer represents the unborn.
Did you know that roughly half of the global population has access to reliable electricity?
Rockefeller Foundation labels them energy poor.
But just because they have unreliable access to electricity doesn't mean that they wish to stay energy poor.
That's because of fossil fuels.
Those populations are lifting themselves out of poverty.
That's right.
From irrigation to cultivation and transportation, food production is at an all-time high.
And purification and pumping systems are delivering the world's cleanest water.
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dedicated to safe and responsible production of American energy. With those criticisms, you still plan
to support him?
Yeah, here's why.
I think it's like 1941 in America right now.
There is such a thing as a Rubicon line.
You know this, Charlie is a historian.
It's the point of no return.
I don't know if that is already passed, if it's two years ahead, or if it's twenty years ahead.
I don't know, but we all sense we're in a season of the last stand for liberty, freedom, religious freedom, free speech of the next generation that we're going to hand to our children.
A Kamala Harris administration is going to have more pro-life sidewalk counselors thrown in federal prison.
Andrew Sedra, I mean, I just had him on my show and now he was just here, Pastor Andrew Sedra.
I'm like, oh my, you're talking about a canary in the coal mine of where we're going.
The tyranny that will come down on free Americans, the unborn, and the family, Newsom's new law, the state can take your gender-confused minor if you disagree and don't use their gender.
Their pronouns, and a public health scientist determines that you're a mental health risk to your child by not using their pronouns, so the CPS will take your kid.
Like, okay, what happens in California doesn't stay in California.
This stuff is so insane that I will be voting for Trump because we need to be able to fight for the unborn in the first place.
And if we can't fight for the unborn and, well, being thrown in prison... Can I add to this?
If Kamala wins, she will criminalize pro-life advocacy through the Internal Revenue Service, the Department of Justice, Elizabeth Warren's dream of shutting down pregnancy crisis centers.
She called for shutting down every pregnancy resource center in America.
Under Donald Trump, they will not be touched.
In fact, they will be elevated and celebrated.
This is, by the way, I think the best argument, Seth, is that Kamala Harris will deploy the secret police against the pro-life movement in a way that would set us back 50 years.
It's legit.
It's not fear-mongering.
Elizabeth Warren said that Pregnancy Resource Centers, which I was in my mom's uterus when she was the Executive Director of Pregnancy Resource Center, loving on mom and saving babies, okay?
So I've been swimming in these waters quite literally for a long time.
Elizabeth Warren said you shouldn't be able to torture pregnant people like that.
She said that two days after Roe got overturned.
They should all be shut down.
Not women, pregnant people.
Yes.
You shouldn't be able to torture pregnant people like that.
She wants every pregnancy resource center, of which there are 3,000, that do volunteer labor, amazing work, saving babies' lives.
She wants them all shut down.
And she might not get her way immediately, but if Kamala were to win, Elizabeth Warren and that whole gang of Jezebels, they will create a secret police that will audit, intimidate, raid every single one, and it will be one by one.
And we'll be like, wow, I really wish that we Christians would have bought ourselves a little more time so that our non-profits, our leaders, wouldn't go to federal prison and our organizations wouldn't be collapsed.
That's not fear-mongering, Seth.
That's a very... That's right.
And the other thing, Charlie Wright, is personnel-less policy. 100%.
Trump has been very friendly to evangelical influence and appointing important evangelical leaders or believers that we trust and would like to see in positions of appointed power.
And so you're getting... And great on Israel.
You're getting a whole bunch with... We know this.
It's not just Trump.
It's the whole administration.
And so there's a lot we can still do to protect the unborn, but we need to play the long game.
And the next 30, 40, and 50 years, to take back these institutions, to rebuild the church, to raise dragon slayers and children in this next generation, and for the church to begin to demand more from our elected leaders when it comes to these core issues.
And that's why we're doing a film.
Yeah, which I want you to talk about, the 1916 project, which I think I'm speaking at a deal there.
And also, if Kamala is president, she will raid your offices.
So, tell us about the 1916 project.
Yeah, no, that's true.
No, that's true.
I just posted that about her history with that, with AG and California Journal.
I'm telling you guys.
And all these people are saying, fake news, misinformation, Seth, provide the stories.
I'm like, you're either too liberal or too young to remember this story.
Oh, it's so bad.
And it's so bad.
So anyways.
No, tell us about the 1916.
Yeah, so at the White Rose Resistance, we exist by and for the church, because this is the church's duty.
Why?
Why do I say that?
Because I think there's too many 501c3 organizations in America doing good, good work, but they're doing work that the local church used to do.
It's not like believers were getting together in the first century as the Romans were throwing unwanted children outside the city walls to die from exposure to the elements and from the attacks of wild forging beasts to figure out how can we get another C3 together to save these babies.
No, it's just Christians being Christians.
Do you understand that?
So the pro-life movement used to have another name.
Christendom.
Actually, Christendom.
And then maybe the fundamentalist modernist crisis at some point, and the progressives went kooky crazy, Jim Wallace, Sojourners, Phil Fisher, Lecrae, that whole thing.
And then the other side, you get kind of, we're going to stick to our core theological convictions, and not be too bold in the culture war, because we want people to look at Christianity and say, like, that's attractive, I want to hear that.
So then you get the cowards.
Who hold the right theological convictions, but they won't contend for the unborn.
And now we're in this big, big mess, and the church is asleep.
And so now, Charlie has to launch at C3.
I have to launch at C3.
Lila Rose has to launch at C3.
And we're doing work that the local church used to do.
And so for that reason, I thought it was really important to release my film first in the churches of America.
So it's screening in hundreds of churches all around the country right now.
It comes out later this year online for the world.
But here's the crazy story, Charlie.
Do you guys remember the 1619 Project?
I'm sure you do, right?
Nicole Hannah-Jones, the purple-haired Marxist.
And I don't say that to, like, she actually has purple hair and she's actually a Marxist, actually.
She was mentored by Herbert Marcuse, one of the fathers of the free love movement.
He came from the Frankfurt School.
Coercive tolerance.
Yeah, coercive.
Yeah, that's right.
And Herbert Marcuse once said that the way back into the garden Of Eden, is to take another bite of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
In other words, we need to commit the original sin again in order to enter that state of innocence once again.
Herbert Marcuse, I came from the Frankfurt School, Herbert Marcuse mentored Angela Davis.
Still alive.
The crazy critical race theorist, anti-white racist.
In California.
And Angela Davis is the direct mentor of Nicole Hannah-Jones and the co-founders of BLM Incorporated.
So what did they do?
They took our strategy of discipleship and they used it better for wickedness than we were doing for righteousness in the next generation.
Anyway, so the 1619 Project is like, it's like, no, no, it's like literally Marxist.
I don't just throw that phrase around, like literally.
And of course, you remember, first black slaves come to American shores in 1619.
So if you want to understand why LeBron James says that black people can't leave their home without being shot or hunted, hunted down, and why we're so systemically racist, You gotta go back to 1619 and that'll give you the window to understand our allegedly systemically racist culture today.
So that came out about nine months before George Floyd.
And then we enter summer of 2020, mostly peaceful, somewhat fiery riots.
And what did they call that summer of 2020?
The 1619 riots.
So they're connecting it, saying it's because of all this racist stuff we're justified in burning, looting, pillaging, and doing all this crazy stuff, right?
And so then that led into what?
We gotta cancel anything that has vestiges of racism.
So Aunt Jemima has to go.
Remember the syrup lady?
That's a vestige of racism.
And so, what does the revolution always do?
Eats its own.
And so, BLM 1619 Disciples went after Planned Parenthood in the summer of 2020.
This was one of the most least covered news stories in conservative news media at the time, in my humble opinion.
This was not pro-lifers, are you hearing me?
This was pro-abortion leftists attacking Planned Parenthood in the summer of 2020 when they were going after all the cancel stuff.
And they said, Planned Parenthood, your founder was a racist.
And the director of Planned Parenthood of Greater New York, Karen Seltzer, kind of funny that was her name, but anyway, she came out and said, we're done making excuses for our founder and the damage that she did to communities of color.
The damage that she did to what?
To colored people!
So they admit this and they renamed their flagship Manhattan New York City Center, which was called the Sanger Health Center.
It was named after her.
Now remember, Nancy Pelosi got the Margaret Sanger Award.
Barack Obama got the Margaret Sanger Award.
I mean, Kamala Harris has been trying really hard to get the Margaret Sanger Award, but they don't give it out anymore.
They stopped giving out the Margaret Sanger Award because the left eats its own and got them to cancel her.
So this is how I open my book.
By the way, my book's called The 1916 Project, The Lying, The Witch, and The War We're In.
Guys, for pre-order right now, it comes out soon, and the film is screening in churches.
And so we open the film and book with this story of the left giving Planned Parenthood to admit what conservatives have been trying to say for 90 years, that this woman was a racist eugenicist, horrible pile of human scum, who launched the Negro Project as an initiative of Planned Parenthood.
It's such a wicked history.
She had a board member who was invited to the Third Reich.
I mean, gnarly stuff about the history of Planned Parenthood you wouldn't believe.
He was actually, Lothrop Stoddard, the founding board member of Planned Parenthood, was the Grand Wizard of the Massachusetts KKK.
You heard me correctly, the church, the founding board member of Planned Parenthood was the Grand Wizard of the Massachusetts KKK chapter.
And he wrote a book called The Rising Tide of Color Against White World Supremacy.
He wrote another book, and it was his dissertation on eugenics, Boiled Down for the Masses, and it was called The Revolt Against Civilization, The Menace of the Underman.
The Menace, like Dennis the Menace.
Untermensch.
Yeah, oh, see?
Charlie says, spoiling it, he's a sharp guy, he knows where I'm going.
The Menace of the Underman, and you go, well, who's the Underman, and why are they a menace?
Well, the Underman would be black Slavs, Italians, Jews, immigrants, and, oh, by the way, physically and mentally handicapped people.
And so they're a menace, and that's the Underman.
So, Adolf Hitler's chief racial theorist, Alfred Rosenberg, appropriated the German term Untermensch, subhuman, Untermensch, from the German-translated version of Lothrop Stoddard's Margaret Sanger's Friend, Financier, and Founding Board Member's book, The Menace of the Underman.
So because I'm a weird intellectual ADHD homeschool research nerd, I found an edition.
It was $330.
In Europe, it was the only one online that I could find in the world available for sale.
It's that German translated version of Sanger's founding board member's book.
Sure enough, the term undermanned on the front cover, in German, Untermensch.
And historians believe that they did not begin to use the phrase Untermensch.
Oh, by the way, the title of Heinrich Himmler's famous Nazi propaganda book, Der Untermensch.
The Germans, the Third Reich, did not begin to use the phrase Untermensch to describe the Jew.
Until the German translated version of Margaret Sanger's founding board member's book, The Menace of the Underman.
I'm giving you one teaser of the book and film, so you go buy the book and screen it at your church.
Because if you want to wake up sleeping Christians in your church, teach them the wicked demonic history behind how we got here, and they will wake up.
That's why this film is so important.
So he got invited to the Third Reich in 1939.
Who's ever heard this before, that the founding board member Planned Parenthood was invited to the Third Reich by Hitler in 1939?
One guy, right, exactly.
There's a hidden history to all this stuff.
And he interviewed Himmler, Fritz Sauckel, Robert Lay, Joseph Goebbels, and Hitler himself.
And he's the only American ever to have met with Hitler after he rose to power, had a free-range journalistic interview tour in the Third Reich, came back and wrote about it in his book Into the Darkness, Nazi Germany Today.
Wow.
So that's just a little bit about the 1916 project.
So what is the call to action?
The book?
When is it out?
Yeah, so it comes out September 4th, a month and a half.
Great.
We're going to be on the show.
We're going to do, again, we'll do a whole thing.
Okay, great.
Yeah, I'm going to send you a special copy anyways.
Thank you.
And it's got the subtitles, The Lying, The Witch, and The War We're In.
You can pre-order on Amazon or our website.
But here's the cool thing.
It comes out in a few months, streaming online for the world.
But because this is the church's job, we're screening it in churches all around America.
So right now, as you're hearing my voice, you can go to the
