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June 14, 2024 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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Megyn Kelly on Trump, The Trans Movement, and Real Women

Enjoy Charlie’s interview with Megyn Kelly from #YWLS2024, where they discuss why everyone should support Trump, the issues with Title IX, her advice to real women that may surprise you, the dangers of the trans movement, and more. Become a member at members.charliekirk.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Megan Kelly, welcome back.
Thanks for having me.
So you went viral a week and a half ago where you said we need more Steve Bannon energy in reaction to the law fair.
What do you mean by that?
Well, I mean, it's been well documented that he was, I guess you could say, my chief antagonist.
That's what I found so interesting.
Yeah.
Chief rival.
Oh, big time.
I mean, I encourage everybody to go to this, go to YouTube and type in PBS Frontline, Steve Bannon, Megan Kelly, and then watch that seven-minute clip and you'll know exactly what we're talking about.
It's riveting.
PBS did a good job with it.
He cooperated and I did too on the special they did a couple years ago.
But he lays it all out what he did in response to that debate question, which I'm aware he didn't like and Trump didn't like.
Fair enough.
And it caused a lot of upheaval and upheaval in my life and kind of a very highly unpleasant nine months.
We got past it, whatever.
But it kept renewing over the nine, 10 years that we've been at this.
And while I've never really been a chief antagonist of his, I've definitely been critical of him.
So there's been this, right?
Yes.
But I don't think he's my enemy, but I think the old the enemy of my enemy is my friend adage applies.
He knows how to fight.
He knows how to fight dirty.
Yes.
And but within the lines, but you know, up against them.
And that's what we need.
I just feel like desperate times.
Yes.
That's where we are now.
I'm sick of the clean hands crowd.
Like, we need to stay above it.
You know, let them be the dirty ones.
No, we're losing.
Yes.
They tried to take out a presidential candidate.
No, that's right.
Like, what choice do we have?
We didn't want to fight this way.
We didn't want this fight in general, but it's here.
So we have no choice but to fight it.
I couldn't agree more.
And just, I want more of your thoughts on the unprecedented nature here, the lawfare, the lack of caring by some Republicans.
Do you think that there's a wish that this all just goes away, like it's a bad thunderstorm, that it's going to kind of just sort itself out and just wait long enough, make the noise stop type thing?
Well, I think a lot of them don't like Trump, so they're not willing to fight as hard for Trump.
You know, secretly, they know they have to say they like him.
But I think a lot of these guys actually aren't big fans of his, and so maybe they're not feeling as motivated as if it were somebody they really loved.
But it's not about Trump.
It's about the country.
Yes, it's much bigger than Trump.
It is.
It's so much bigger than Trump.
So, like, if you don't fight now, you're pathetic.
I'm over.
But to your credit, Megan, and I think it shows that you really love the country and you're willing to elevate it.
Again, you and Steve, whatever, have had an interesting mixed history.
You and Trump also as well.
But you say the country matters more than all of that.
That's like silly, you know, TV stuff.
That's politics.
It's like, it's not beanbag, as they say.
So you got to get in, take a look at the.
What is it about you where you're willing to say that where other people like Jonah Goldberg go on CNN?
Like, what has happened to that guy?
I don't know.
We had this bizarre exchange where I was like, look, he got all upset because I didn't consider them completely fair and balanced when it came to Trump.
Whatever.
I really think he's been so embattled for so long with his side.
You know, like he tried to stop the party from going Trump and he couldn't do it.
And he felt like a man on an island and became very never Trumpy.
He wasn't just like a sometimes Trumper.
And that leads to ostracization in a party that is Trump's.
And he got kind of, I don't know, really wrapped around the axle.
But there's like the small group of people like him, Bill Crystal, Adam Kinzinger, where, I mean, they seem as if they've just been broken mentally by this whole thing.
Like they don't look well.
I think Jonah is still a Republican.
Those other two are not Republicans.
I mean, I don't know.
Oh, no, I agree with that.
They don't say any Republican or conservative things.
They've gone full, you know, Steve Schmidt.
Yes, that's right.
So there's no rescuing them.
But yes, that's the problem with Trump derangement syndrome.
And it really is a real thing.
It is 100% a real thing.
And it can ruin you.
Like, it can drive you mad.
It can lead to the loss of your friends, yourself, your grooming.
No, there needs to be a WebMD.
Like, you type in symptoms.
Like, constantly upset, can't watch the news.
Right.
Can't watch a rally.
You know, about 100,000 cases a year.
Yes.
To like very mild to severe.
Please consult your doctor.
Like the nut case who's harassing Justice Alito.
No, of course.
Right?
By the way, let's talk about that.
That was a coordinated hit.
Oh.
New York Times knows that this might go up to the Supreme Court.
They're trying to work the refs.
They want to try.
Because he has an appeal to heaven flag.
Or an upside-down American flag.
Who cares?
Move on.
Honestly, it makes me like him more.
I want to do that outside of my house right now.
100%.
No, because the country's in crisis.
I know.
So that woman who had the dust up with them, the neighbor, was on CNN.
She sounds great.
Oh, my gosh.
But by the way, you know the type.
So, but you had to see her, Charlie, because she was like, you know, they were harassing me, and it was very difficult.
And yes, I did call her the C-word, and that's very, I'm like, wait, what?
What?
She's admitting, and all she did was fly an upside-down flag and say, please take down your F-Trump flags in front of the children at the bus step.
I think we know who the winner and who the loser is here.
No, it's, and so the, you are a part of, I think, a group of people that are really fixated and focused on this Title IX issue as well.
Yeah.
We covered it a little bit.
It's explosive.
The idea of actually what a female is is kind of on the ballot this election.
Is that an over-exaggeration?
That's an over-exaggeration.
Not even a little.
Not even a little.
It has been rewritten by Joe Biden, who the most he knows about women is how to sniff their hair.
And with his little pen, he decided we're men now.
We're going to add men to the women's category.
And while Title IX was originally passed to protect women's sports and make sure that they had the opportunity to play sports, right?
It used to be back in the day.
There'd be men's soccer, but not women's, and men's, whatever, baseball, no women's softball.
Now, because of Title IX, if you're a school that takes public money, you have to offer both.
Well, he just shoehorned the trans people into the women's lane and defined women under Title IX as including gender identity.
So now he's saying it doesn't cover sports yet.
That's a lie.
As written with the revision, it does cover sports.
And they're going to argue that.
And it also mandates explicitly that the men be allowed into our bathrooms, into our locker rooms, not just college, K through college.
And also, on a second level, completely removes due process for young men on college campuses.
You better not get accused as a young man on a college campus.
Like, don't have sex with anybody.
Don't touch anybody.
Don't be alone with anybody.
Because if you get accused by somebody with a Sunday morning regret, you're going down.
That's right.
That's how it was under Obama.
Trump writed the ship back due process-wise.
Now it's been undone again.
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So help me understand.
It is a deeply unpopular thing that Biden did.
I mean, maybe in a couple states, California, Oregon, Washington, Rhode Island, Connecticut, in the midst of an election year.
Why do this?
Help me understand.
He started it earlier.
It takes a long time to run.
I know that might not be him.
Why his team?
I mean, I'm trying to understand.
They're as far left as they come.
There's a fanaticism behind this.
They are as far left as they can.
How would you best describe that ideology to an uninitiated person who just, they're like, wait a second, man, women?
I mean.
They are people whose entire existence revolves around identity, whether it's sex, sexuality, color, gender.
I'll take your pick on the list.
Whatever one you have elevates you above people who don't have those issues.
And if you have multi-issues, you know, you've got your intersectional, you get extra points.
And that's the only time we see conflict within the leftist group, where one of those groups, they have to decide what their priorities are.
Higher on the oppression Olympics.
And so far, the T's of LGBT are ruling everything.
Yes, that's true.
Ruining and ruling.
Yes.
Everything.
No, it's just, it's amazing because it's a decision that had to be made, which is we're trying to win four more years in the White House, and we have in front of us a radically transformational, as you say, multi-year project that is going to basically move a step forward of eradicating womanhood and hilariously actually make men stronger over women, which is like a whole separate issue, which I was always told is the patriarchy and is a terrible thing.
Or we don't do that.
We wait until we get four more years and then we do the radical stuff.
But they decided in an election year to do the crazy unpopular stuff in the radical stuff.
They're not embarrassed about it.
No, they're proud of it.
Yeah, they're proud.
Total proud.
Did you see what happened to my dog?
I posted on Instagram.
No, what happened?
Sent my dog to daycare, came back on Friday with a little rainbow scarf.
Oh, come on.
It was gay care.
He's just like Joe Biden.
He's trying to get out of the way.
So they're grooming dogs now?
Yeah, they're literally grooming.
They're grooming at the groomers.
What kind of dog is it?
He's a lab.
And he's not.
Look, he does squat when he pees.
I'm just going to own that.
But that doesn't, I don't want their weird gender madness on him.
He's still a bad guy.
So is it starting to rub off on him a little bit?
No, he's still humping his sister.
That's another problem.
But that's a man thing.
But boys will be boys, though.
I'm just going to say.
That's more incestuous, not so much trans.
It's different.
That's a separate issue, though, right?
So they're trying to groom dogs.
Anyway, but back to the point, they're proud of it because they really think this is empathetic.
This is the new gay rights.
It's the same thing.
You know, it's inborn.
It can't be argued with.
If the two-year-old boy wants to experiment by putting on a dress, something lots of little boys have done and then discarded instantly, that means he's a girl.
So they really think this is like part of their cross-bearing, you know, that they're going to help these suffering minorities against the evil Republicans who just want to hurt people.
I don't want to, I really don't want to generalize.
However, some of the zealots that are pushing this are very nasty people.
Some.
See, I'm trying not to generalize.
You don't need to generalize.
Show me one who's not.
It's not all trans people.
I actually know and have a couple of trans people who are relatives.
Adults.
Yes, adults.
Big distinction.
Total distinction.
But the trans activists are the meanest MFers you will ever deal with in your life.
That's right.
I love it.
Back to the Trump Bannon thing.
These men posing as women go all over my timeline and try to intimidate me.
I'm like, I have dealt with tougher men than you.
Trust me.
I've tossed with the best of them.
Yes.
And won.
And won.
So, like, give me a break, right?
You don't scare me.
They don't do anything about it.
They just sit at their keyboards and try to upset actual women for not letting them into the club.
Well, too bad.
No, I mean, and there is part of it, again, I don't want to have people live in fear.
I mean, there is a very disturbing pattern of violence from that community that kind of goes untalked about.
That's true.
Right.
Aubrey.
Or when they do it.
Manifesto.
It gets totally whitewashing.
But again, I don't want to generalize.
But back to the specific children issue.
You have an amazingly powerful platform and podcast.
You have a lot of moms that listen to you.
You are kind of, I would say, the over-the-top communicator to the suburban mom demo for anyone that has sanity, right?
That isn't just like on traditional mediums.
Do you see movement of people that are rejecting and shedding this that previously might not be like on the Trump training or conservative, but at least they want some recentering of normalcy?
Yes.
It's so funny.
I notice it more and more in my comment sections, in my emails, in the people who stop me on the street and say, thank you, you changed my mind on this issue.
Even on the people who, you know, I got this hat from Kelly J. Keene, who's a British activist on this issue, and she's, there's nobody better.
And it reads, it looks like the Trump hat, the red hat, and it reads, make women female again.
And you would not believe the number of women if I wear that who come over to me saying, I need it.
Where can I get it?
I want it.
And these are people like in New York.
I went to my leftist friend's 50th birthday party.
It was all liberals.
They were like, we're going to get the hat.
Yeah, so this issue is starting to percolate.
Do you see that translating politically?
Yeah.
Well, not for 2020.
2024.
2024.
It hasn't become like a single issue.
Should Trump force the issue?
Yes, but he hasn't been.
No, but let's workshop this because what can he do?
What should he do?
I mean, like convention, right?
Tens of millions of eyeballs.
We will reverse the changes to Title IX and restore sanity in schools when it comes to gender madness.
I think he'd be willing to say something like that.
I think so too.
We will pass a ban at the federal level on the medicalization of minor children who are being mutilated by people trying to prove how woke they are.
We will push for federal legislation stopping that to children.
And in the debate against Biden, I would, I mean, I'm seeing him again next week, giving, like, put him on the spot.
Joe Biden, do you think that kid should be able to get irreversible breast removal surgery or hysterectomies?
Why doesn't he ask him a question?
Do you know what happens to a child who starts puberty blockers and then goes directly to cross-sex hormones?
Do you know?
Oh, Joe Biden wouldn't be able to answer.
No, he wouldn't.
The Social Contagion Crisis 00:05:56
And we saw it even in the presidential primary on the GOP side.
Some people didn't understand that.
They're sterile.
That's what happens.
That's exactly right.
They are sterilized.
Not only do they lose the ability to have children, they lose the ability to have any sexual pleasure.
You remove the orgasm.
Yes, from a 15-year-old, a 13-year-old.
Let him defend it.
Ask him a question.
He'll be dead.
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And if you would have said four years ago that the trans issue could end up being like a wedge positive issue for conservative Republicans, because the trajectory looked as if this thing is going to be the next gay marriage.
Just like let it happen.
Jenner's on the front page of Vanity Fair.
Like, let's put up the white flag.
However, this is a different issue.
For those that don't, can you tell us why it's different than the gay marriage issue?
Why is this different?
It's dramatically different.
Because, look, being gay actually is a real thing that men have had to deal with and women who are lesbians have had to deal with since the dawn of time.
And there's all the evidence about what makes one gay overwhelmingly points to.
It's innate.
It's something that somebody's born with.
And they can fight if they choose not to live that way.
They can.
But who has been successfully deprogrammed from homosexuality?
I mean, come on.
But the trans issue, which is for a minuscule percentage of the population, real, a real disorder.
It's very small.
And it's always been here, and we've always been, you know, we recognize this disorder.
It's been in the manual that you have.
DSM4, DSM-5, yeah.
Has exploded at the same time as wokeness has.
And that's just one of the many clues that proves it's a social contagion.
And here's another one.
It never, unlike being gay or lesbian, never affected girls.
It was a male thing.
Only now are suddenly girls getting on the transition.
And more than boys.
Yes.
More than boys.
75%.
Which was never the case before.
And so what's happening?
It used to be when I was growing up, anorexia, right?
It would be like clubs cutting was a big thing.
It spreads.
Yes.
And girls are more susceptible to social spread.
Totally.
And now, think of how susceptible they are where it's a world that prioritizes, as we discussed, identity over all other things.
So you're a white, cisgendered, heteronormative girl.
You've got nothing to make you feel special.
And many of these girls, Charlie, are on the autism spectrum.
They're a little heavy.
They have bad acne.
There's something that makes them feel socially out, other, different, or, you know, unwanted somehow.
And yet they go from being that person to getting snaps, celebrated, they're cool, and they get an immediate community online of all these groomers who are like, welcome to our club.
These are weird men trying to get these girls welcome to our club.
You're one of us now.
And as soon as they say, I have regrets, they kick them out of the club.
The support is gone.
The bullying starts.
This is not a real...
It's a cult operation?
Yes.
The otherization of anybody who leaves, right?
Like, that's one of the telltale signs of cultism.
So, and just the mass explosion of this thing, right?
Which was like 2%, not even, it was like 0.0017% of the population.
And now they're estimating it's like over, I don't know, you see these estimates, like over 20%.
There's no way to lie.
So, but what then, how would you respond to when the zealots say it's going up because people are finally comfortable knowing who they truly are?
That's just not true.
Then why is it happening more in the blue cities than the red cities?
That's the answer.
They'll say because the red cities are so angry and harsh towards them.
Then they'd move.
They would all leave.
There'd be mass departures of 20% of the population to the blue states, and that's not happening.
And look, you saw it with the Disney executive.
I've seen it with my own friends that I have.
And that we're talking about.
Our not-so-secret gay agenda.
Yes.
And, you know, three of my kids happen to be trans or non-binary.
So that's the best argument is that when you actually, and Miriam Grossman's talked about this at length, the friend group thing.
Yeah.
Where all of a sudden she was treating, like, wait, you guys are all friends with each other?
Yes.
Five patients, same class, and they're all in the same.
That happened in my school.
The school we fled from in New York, right?
We had a girls' school and we had a boys' school.
And the girls' school, which is one of the top schools in the country, this is years ago.
We're talking like 2019.
Suddenly, in the 10th grade, this is a class of 54 girls maybe, had nine girls who had declared themselves trans from ninth grade to 10th.
Come on.
So it's newly discovered.
They didn't have it their whole lives.
And they're girls.
And it's a cluster.
That is not a real disorder.
That is a social contagion that these girls should be talked out of, therapized out of, not with these psychiatrists who push it, but with like a Miriam Grossman type.
Yes.
And honestly, like put on a plane with mom and dad, take a trip to Europe, get in a van with mom and dad, take a trip around the United States, no devices, no social media, and none of these girls around you.
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The through line between the trans thing and the legal thing is these are institutions that used to be a bedrock against insanity and be a check.
Two things that growing up I would never think would get radicalized: the courts and my doctor's office.
Yeah.
I mean, you think in America, those are two things where you could have privacy, that you could be treated as an individual, not as part of a group, that you're not going to weaponize it against somebody and it's not going to be taken over.
Can you comment on both of those?
Because those are two institutions that used to be sacred or even holy, honestly.
Because you think about it in small town America, like the doctor and the lawyer are like the two most trusted people.
And now we look at.
Maybe the judge, not the lawyer.
Sure, but something in the instruments, or maybe the sheriff or whatever.
Now it's, I don't trust anything that comes out of our justice system.
So I may be in the minority, but I still have hope for the legal system.
Please give me hope.
I look at the Supreme Court.
No, that's true.
For the first time in my lifetime, we have a conservative Supreme Court.
It's fragile, but they're look.
That's such a great trouble.
They're pretty robust.
Yes.
They're pretty robust.
That's why they're trying to delegitimize them.
Work the reps.
We worked at, yeah, I mean, we talked about it.
So I still have faith because even though we had a lunatic judge in New York who was really a secret prosecutor, he was our secret prosecutor.
And Ergo on the other guy, too, was crazy.
Oh, he's a nutcase.
Net net, I still believe in the judicial system, and I am thanking God on my knees every night for the Supreme Court.
So I haven't given up on that.
No, I think that's important.
Yeah, please continue though.
But the medical profession is lost.
It's lost.
So you are more pessimistic on medicine than legal.
Yes.
That's fascinating.
Not just because of what they're doing to our kids on the trans thing.
They've captured the American Endocrine Society, the American Academy of Pediatrics.
AMA is already long gone.
All of it.
The psychiatrics, all of them.
They're all gone.
The only methodology is affirm.
As soon as a kid comes in, within minutes, he or she, I'm gender confused, will be affirmed as the cross-sex.
Within 20 minutes.
It's so damaging.
It is, it's deadly what they're doing.
And of course, now sane psychiatrists are saying the last thing you should do is bring your kid to one of these psychiatrists or therapists.
So that's deeply problematic.
But it's also the wokeness in the medical schools.
I mean, we've had more and more institutions cop to.
They're promoting people of color into medical school who do not have the grades to get there, who are two standard deviations below their white and Asian colleagues when it comes to the testing.
And then when they get there, they make mistakes in the residency, in the internship, in the middle of the school.
And if they aren't overlooked, time after time, they claim racism.
And time after time, the doctor or the school or the program backs down.
So then they get elevated again.
And we're now at the point where these folks are going to be getting out into real practice.
That's correct.
And there's, where's the check on them?
You know who it is?
It's the lawyers who are going to have to sue their asses because that's what we listen to in America, the almighty dollar.
And there's a real question about whether we're going to have a lot of those guys left because the lawyers tend to be leftists.
That's exactly.
I mean, that's, so you opened up an interesting point.
I want to complete that point, but just as a detour.
Where are all these trial, like these plaintiff lawyers going after the trans stuff?
There is a new group in Texas.
They just formed.
Do right now.
Yeah, that's right.
And so it was guys who saw what was happening and they made millions of dollars.
What they need, though, is really money because what happens is they need to fund these lawsuits.
They need expert witnesses.
You know, when you're the plaintiff, you get paid at the end if you recover money.
So they need donations, independent women's forum.
Good.
They're filing a big lawsuit on Title IX.
They need donations.
They're on a round-the-country bus tour with Riley Gaines and others right now trying to get people to donate.
So there are a couple of groups, but they need Doe.
Yeah, and it's interesting.
Texas is known as kind of one of the plaintiff attorney capitals of the world.
If you notice when you're driving the highways here, every other billboard is injured in a wreck or if, you know, asbestos or whatever.
And again, they'll sue on everything.
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And you would think that low-hanging fruit is butchering a 15-year-old.
Yes.
It's so remarkable.
So the other part, though, is that I'm sure you would agree that the other part of the broken medical system, reaction to COVID, COVID vaccine, just that I don't trust when someone says, oh, a doctor expert says, I inherently think that you're either purchased or you have an ideological agenda.
Same.
But in that way, I see COVID as a gift because my eyes were closed prior to COVID on this.
I actually did kind of, not implicitly, but kind of trusted our health officials.
You know, I did not think they were capable of like mass misrepresentation.
That's Alex Jones stuff.
That's frankly how I felt.
Yeah, I don't know.
I was like, why would the CDC be lying to us about our kids possibly getting heart damage?
Like, what would be the incentive to do such a thing?
Like, no, no, that's crazy talk.
And now we know it's different.
Now we know that's exactly what they were doing.
They didn't care.
Anthony Fauci, it's very clear to me, cared more about his own reputation and standing with these leftists than he did about the well-being and lives, lives of the American people and the children, too.
What does it say that not only is he not apologized, he's more defiant than ever?
He really has the God complex.
Did you ever see that movie, Malice?
You were like in your cradle when this movie hit.
I don't think I have.
It's good.
It's good.
You should rent it.
Download it.
Who's it with?
Alec Baldwin and Nicole Kidman.
I actually kind of think he's a good actor.
That's my thought.
He was very good.
By the way, my thought, Krems, I think he's actually a good actor.
Yeah, same.
I enjoy his movies.
But I say that people like revolt.
Yeah, I don't.
He killed a woman.
That's true.
So he plays this surgeon, and I won't give away the plot, but it's very good.
He plays the surgeon, and they get really into the God complex.
And that's Anthony Fauci.
Watch that movie.
That's Anthony Fauci.
Megan, what is your message going to be to this group of young women that are awaiting you?
I mean, I have a wide-based message today, Charlie.
Obviously, we could talk about the female thing, the woman thing, the Title IX thing, but I really have a broader message I want to bring to them today about what it actually does take to succeed as a leader for young women.
Because I think they're being sold a bag of goods by those who control the messaging in this country.
I really want them to know about the importance of family and husbands.
And you have three kids, right?
Yeah.
It's amazing.
And how one can be both a successful professional and a great wife and have a great life and where priorities are.
That's such an important message.
And I think you'll hear terms like, don't be a slut, for example.
Yeah.
I've got things to say.
Tell me more about that.
My basic thought on it is: if you really want a good man, don't give it up so easily.
But when you finally do, enjoy it.
Boy, if I were to say something like that, it would get clipped.
I hope you say it.
I'm going to say it.
Megan Kelly, how can people support you?
We have your book.
I don't know if this is recent or not.
That's an old one.
Just go to youtube.com/slash MeganKelly and hit follow.
God bless you.
Megan, you are doing such good for the country, and thank you for making time for this.
It means a lot.
Thanks, Charlie.
My pleasure.
God bless.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.
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