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June 23, 2023 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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The Case of the COVID Quarantine Camps with Bobbie Anne Cox and Dr. Kirk Moore
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Locking Down New York 00:12:36
Hey everybody, Tan Charlie Kirk Show.
Bonnie Cox joins us about camps that could be coming to New York City.
No exaggeration.
Post-COVID is unbelievable.
And then Dr. Moore, who is under indictment from the Department of Justice for his, for allegedly giving out fake vaccines, it brings out a question.
Is it right to lie in the face of a tyrannical government?
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I kind of left it open-ended.
Joining us now is Attorney Bobby Ann Cox.
Her website is coxlawyers.com.
She's a fellow at the Brownstone Institute with a very important story from New York State.
And basically, New York gave Andrew Cuomo when he was governor emergency powers to just quarantine anyone.
It's attorney Bobby Ann Cox in the case of the COVID quarantine camps.
Bobby, welcome to the program.
Tell us about the litigation and your story.
Yes, thanks so much for having me, Charlie.
It's a pleasure to be here.
So, like you said, there was this pandemic, and the New York State Legislature handed over these tremendous powers to our then governor, Andrew Cuomo.
He turned around and passed that power on to the Department of Health, and they made a regulation, which was called Isolation and Quarantine Procedures.
And it basically gave the Department of Health this incredible power to pick and choose which New Yorkers they could lock up or lock down.
They didn't have to prove you were sick.
They didn't have to prove you were exposed to a communicable disease.
They didn't have to prove you were a threat to those around you.
They could pick you out of your home with the force of police and put you into a detention facility of their choosing.
You had no say.
There was no time restriction.
So they could have kept you locked up or they could have locked you down in your house for days, for weeks, for months.
There was no age restriction.
So they could have done this to you, but they also could have done this to your child or your grandchild or your elderly parent.
There was no way for you to get out of quarantine once they put you into quarantine.
So what I mean by that is when we had oral arguments in front of the judge last year, he asked the attorney general point blank, you know, let's say you take a family.
Let's say you put them into quarantine.
Let's say you put them into a hospital, let's say.
Once they're in there, how do they get out?
And, you know, there was a pregnant pause and then the attorney general said, well, you know, I guess they could hire a lawyer and they could sue us.
Right.
So this rule was unconstitutional from start to finish.
So what I did was I brought a lawsuit against Governor Hochl and her Department of Health.
They kept repromulgating this regulation as an emergency, and they were planning to make it permanent.
And I represent a group of New York state legislators, a senator George Borello, Assemblyman Chris Taig, and Congressman Mike Lawler, together with a citizens group called Uniting New York State.
We sued the governor and the Department of Health.
Our argument is basically you breached separation of powers.
You took a power to make a law because this rule is not a rule, it's a law.
You took the power from the New York state legislature.
You breached separation of powers, which is clearly laid out in our Constitution.
And you also have no due process whatsoever in this regulation.
So you've breached the Constitution.
And the judge ruled in our favor.
He struck it down.
He said this is unconstitutional.
The Department of Health does not have this power and they can't just give it to themselves.
And so he struck it down last summer.
Of course, we had elections in November.
Governor Hochl gets elected.
Our attorney general gets re-elected.
And then they file the appeal.
So now I am fighting them on appeal.
They're trying to get the power back.
They want the power to lock you up or lock you down with no proof at all that you're sick.
I mean, is it no due?
Is it fair to say that these are camps?
So the regulation says they can commandeer any structure for this purpose.
So they could take an empty prison, which, you know, New York State has been emptying our prisons for the last few years because, you know, prisons spread COVID.
So they could use a prison.
They could use an apartment building.
They could use a multifamily dwelling.
They could use anything.
They could use any place.
The regulation said any place they want, they can turn it into a city.
Bobby, I'm going to say it.
So this is in the state of New York.
I mean, I have to hear about Nazi references all the time when it comes to like some mean tweet.
Like, where are the Upper East Side Jews whose parents were Holocaust survivors if there's legislation that's being said that you could commandeer a building?
I mean, or the Brooklyn Jews.
I mean, I'm just, I'm not saying that's what this is, but in this like hypersensitive age where everything is Nazism, this is really scary stuff in the state of New York.
It's unbelievable.
It's, I mean, I read the regulation myself, Charlie, and I thought this cannot be real.
I mean, this has got to be a joke.
But it was a rule passed through the Department of Health, the Health Planning Council.
It was on the books.
And it absolutely, it's terrifying.
The government, unelected bureaucrats, right?
The Commissioner of Health is not elected.
She's appointed by the governor.
A commissioner of health should not, anybody in any agency should not have the power to decide if you have to be locked in your house or pulled from your house with the force of police and put into a detention center, facility, camp.
I don't care.
Pick your noun.
It's all the same.
They don't get that power.
That is not how our Constitution works.
That is not how it works in not just New York State, but in this country.
And you know what?
If they got away with it in New York State, this would spread like wildfire across the nation.
You know, oh, hey, New York can lock up their citizens with no proof of any sort of illness or any sort of exposure to an illness.
Hey, why can't we do it?
You know, we already have a quarantine law in New York State.
Most states do, if not all.
That law is 70 years old and it has plenty of due process protections built into it, as it should, because our Constitution requires due process protections in all of our laws and all of our regulations so that the government doesn't overstep and injure the citizens.
That law, the number one thing that law says, which we've had for 70 years, is the person has to first actually have the communicable disease that you think they have.
Then they have the right to an attorney.
There's a whole investigation by the local health department, not the state.
And then you get to go before a judge.
And then the judge decides not just that you have a disease, but that you are comporting yourself in a manner that is not appropriate, meaning you're exposing other people on purpose.
You're trying to harm other people.
Then the judge, not the commissioner of health, the judge could order an isolation or a quarantine order only to put you into a hospital for care for the disease that you have, right?
You don't get to be sent to any sort of a detention center anywhere in New York State.
At least that's the way it works.
Let's just call it what it is.
It's a camp.
And I mean, what I there's there's so many levels to this that I just find to be strange.
I mean, the one that immediately comes to mind is the Hasidic Jewish community, which notoriously do not vaccinate their kids very much.
I mean, the state could potentially kidnap their kids, which is happening in California.
If all of a sudden a kid gets a disease like chickenpox, they say, oh, you need to take the chickenpox vaccine.
I mean, so what is the are you trying to tell me that lawmakers and regulators are defending this?
Is this now considered to be popular in the New York government to have public health camps?
So the group of New York state legislators who I'm representing, who are the plaintiffs in my lawsuit, happen to all be Republicans.
You know, the Democrats didn't want any part of the lawsuit.
But the point is that they are suing the governor, or we are suing the governor and the Department of Health to push back against this overreach.
So it's the governor and her Department of Health that want to be able to do this.
They want to be able to lock you up or lock you down.
No proof of anything, no proof that you, you know, sneezed on someone, no proof that you're sick, nothing.
They want that power.
And their argument is: well, we need this power.
We need the power to, first of all, we have to centralize control, right?
We need to put it all in the hands of the state commissioner of health.
That's number one.
And number two, we need the power to lock up or lock down 19 million New Yorkers with the stroke of a pen.
And the regulation doesn't even say it needs to be an emergency.
No, they can just do this whenever they want.
It's unbelievable.
I mean, as an attorney, it blows my mind.
But as a regular person who's not an attorney, it should blow your mind too.
It should send shivers up your spine because this is the kind of thing you see in communist China, where they rip their citizens out of their homes or lock them into their homes and tell you when you can come out.
I mean, it's unbelievable.
It's a complete violation of due process, complete violation of the Constitution.
We have three branches of government clearly laid out in the Constitution: the judicial branch, which is the courts and the judges, okay?
But then we have the legislative branch, which is at the state level.
It's our state senators and our state assembly members.
They make the laws.
And we get to elect them or unelect them every two years here in New York State.
So they make the laws.
If we don't like the laws they make, we can vote them out.
What do we have?
Third branch.
That's the executive branch.
That's where the governor sits and all of her agencies.
And at the federal level, it's the president and all his agencies.
They're supposed to enforce the laws that are created by the legislature.
They are not supposed to make rules that conflict with the Constitution or conflict with existing laws.
That's tyranny.
When one branch of government takes a power from the other branch that they're not entitled to, that is the definition of tyranny.
And that is what we are seeing in New York State.
It's very clear.
Well, I hope you end up being successful ultimately in your legal challenge.
This is just beyond anything you could put into words.
Here you have one of the largest states in the country that have a law written so opaquely for tyrants and for despots and dictators.
And Democrats are cool with it.
They don't care about it.
Meanwhile, I have to be lectured by the Anti-Defamation League about how Nazism is coming back to America.
Like, yeah, how about you read what your New York government is doing, pal?
This is so unbelievable to me.
Bobby, great work.
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Very interesting story.
Well, Anthony Fauci and that Hotez weirdo get off with everything.
Our public health officials lie and ruin the lives of millions.
The Department of Justice, I think it's a federal indictment, is that right?
Yeah.
Is going after a Utah plastic surgeon who sold fake COVID-19 vaccine cards.
Dr. Michael Kirk Moore is here to tell us his story.
Dr. Moore, welcome to the program.
Tell us your story.
Hi, Charlie.
How are you?
Treating Patients as Last Resort 00:08:11
Thanks for having me.
My story.
My story is that I, in early 2020, when this whole COVID thing came out, I was very nervous, very scared.
I shut down my office early, didn't know what to expect.
Within a week of doing that, I had completely flip-flopped.
Started reading, started getting more information, and finally realized that this thing was just all a scam.
So I started treating COVID patients, not by choice, but out of necessity.
I had patients of mine and people that I had operated on that couldn't get treated anywhere else.
And so they were calling me as a last resort.
I was a member of a couple of my local neighborhood groups.
I'm a single dad raising two kids.
And so I, you know, kind of joined these groups just to kind of keep in touch with my neighbors.
And a lot of them were just desperate.
They weren't getting treated anywhere else.
And so I started treating people.
I started using the FLCCC protocol.
I started using the Zolenco protocol.
And I treated well over, you know, 800,000 patients.
And, you know, during this whole time, you're just hearing all of this stuff about vaccines and sitting here going, how do you implement a vaccine in the middle of a pandemic, whether it's a pandemic or not.
But and all the data and all the evidence and everything that I had gotten just completely undermined and disparate, not disparaged, but just dismissed the ability of a vaccine to kind of be efficacious during a pandemic.
In early 21, I signed up to become a vaccine clinic, and then I had patients come into me and ask to be vaccinated, and I treated them as I felt was the appropriate way of treating them.
So that's where we are.
Recently, I challenged the jurisdiction of the court.
I was never served a summons, and I tried to get my case dismissed just based on that, thinking that maybe they wouldn't want to refile.
The judge didn't like that.
My pretrial restrictions required me to be processed through fingerprint DNA processing with the marshal's office, and I had not done that yet.
And I had been required to turn in my passport to the marshal's office, which I had also not done.
So, therefore, the prosecution figured that I was a flight risk and a danger to society, recommended that I be jailed.
And so, I was put in jail for, I was put in jail for 12 days, five days of solitary confinement, seven days in a ward with other inmates that were there on minor drug charges, bank robbery, murder, all kinds of stuff.
And I was released two weeks ago with an ankle monitor and home detention and home arrest.
I can go to the office to work, and I have four hours a week on Sunday from 10 to 2 to go out and do my shopping and run my errands.
That's it.
So, you're basically all of this is because you gave kids a placebo.
So, the whole kind of thing is that centered around this: you became a vaccine center, and parents came to you because they wanted the card or something, right?
So, just walk us through your perspective on the ethics of this: of doing something that you know was against the law, but you believed was the right thing in the face of a tyrannical government.
Well, yeah, so I think this whole thing is a fraud to begin with.
And so, they're claiming that I committed fraud.
And, you know, I had people coming to me, kids needing to go back to school, people needing to kind of maintain their jobs, people that were in the military trying to stay in the military, people that were trying to get medical procedures, transplants who couldn't get them, who did not necessarily agree with the whole COVID vaccine.
They were scared, they were nervous, there was no data, no science.
And it was, you know, it was all just based upon what they felt and what I felt was a fraud.
And after discussions with them, we came up with a treatment plan.
Again, all of these, Charlie, I'm sorry, they're all allegations right now.
I'm not coming out and admitting to anything.
But it's, you know, that the accusations are that that's what I did, that I gave saline shots and was treating kids and families according to their own, you know, the patient's desires and after discussions with us in terms of what they wanted to have done.
Can you speak to just how in your local community that there were requirements to get the vaccine card, that it was a barrier to entry for a lot of young people or people in your community?
Yeah, I mean, you know, with the masking and vaccines and jobs, there were, you know, there's legislation that's now been passed, and there are still companies that require people to be vaccinated just to go to work.
You know, the federal government had that requirement where even as a contractor, even though you never went into the office, even though you never interacted with anybody, you were still required to have a vaccine.
Kids were required to have vaccines to go to college.
My daughter was going to Arizona State, and they required vaccines at the time.
I sent my kid away to school because they were going to require him to wear masks.
And until the vaccines became available for everybody, they were going to have these restrictions on people.
So, you know, my kids were no different than anybody else's.
And so my friends in local communities and the local groups that I'm involved with and the neighborhood groups that I'm in with, those are the people that contacted me and were kind of nervous about what was going on and wanted to know what their options were.
So were there also other treatments that you were able to give people that allowed them to defeat this virus outside of kind of the government orthodoxies that were being pushed forward?
Yeah, I mean, I did everything, Charlie.
I treated people with ivermectin.
I treated people with hydroxychloroquine.
I had found that it was really difficult to get ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine.
I was getting it compounded by pharmacies.
Their supplies were being restricted.
I had prescribed hydroxychloroquine on three of my previous humanitarian trips to Ghana without any restrictions.
And so I went back to the same pharmacist that I used to get the prescriptions for the 50 to 100 people that I'd prescribed the hydroxychloroquine for, you know, for them.
And he didn't have access to it anymore.
It was restricted.
He wasn't being given any supplies.
And so it was difficult to get.
I was being turned down by pharmacies, by your chain pharmacies, because they were saying that I'm not allowed to prescribe it.
I'm a plastic surgeon and I don't have the authority to write a prescription for hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin.
And that still to this day goes on.
I have now a cadre of pharmacies that I can reach out to that can mail prescriptions throughout the state.
I just saw somebody on Tuesday that was sick and needed treatment and couldn't get treatment by their primary care physician urgent care.
They'd already been to the emergency room and they were sent home.
So this is still going on, whether you're vaccinated or unvaccinated.
Challenging Political Degeneracy 00:12:34
And they certainly try to, you know, they certainly try to kind of coerce people into doing things.
As I mentioned earlier, we have legislation in the state that doesn't allow it.
There's a $100,000 fine for companies that require people to be vaccinated without giving them the option to have a waiver.
It's a statutory fine for every case and for every count that they do it.
Unfortunately, people don't know about it.
And so people are going off and getting vaccinated even now just because their company requires them to be vaccinated before they start their job.
Dr. Kirk Moore, I pray everything works out in your favor.
Thank you so much for joining us.
Well, Charlie, thanks for having me.
I really, I really appreciate it.
Thank you.
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In a world of relativity, God is the only absolute.
He's the only absolute in a universe of relativity.
It's a very telling clip here we're going to play.
Biden monkeypox advisor, Demetra Daskalakis, was really revealed something.
Not revealed in that way.
He already did that.
Freakish pictures.
Who's to say what is right or wrong?
If you want modern morality summarized in a pretty accurate way, this is it.
He says, look, one idea person of risk is another person of a great time or a festival on a Friday night.
Play cut six.
When you think ampox, think HIV.
When you think sexual health, think both.
When you think pride, think joy and happiness, but also say, like, I need to kick my tires and check my oil to make sure that I have my sexual health care like lined up.
Stigma tends to be a barrier to testing, a barrier to vaccination.
And so, you know, really addressing stigma intentionally and making sure that we get the word out in a way that supports people's joy as opposed to, you know, calling them risky.
And so I think, you know, one of the things to think about is that, you know, one person's idea of risk is another person's idea of a great festival or Friday night, for that matter.
So we have to sort of embrace that with joy.
He said joy three times.
Joy is not having gratuitous gay sex.
It's not.
He says, well, you know, you have to understand that your health factors into this.
And what one person calls a really good time, another person's idea of risk is another person's idea of a great festival on Friday night.
I think a lot of people are waking up to exactly what Pride Month is all about.
And it's not about some mass liberation of some oppressed group.
It's basically a month-long excuse to just engage in outright degeneracy and licentiousness.
However, they need to frame themselves as if they're under attack, despite the fact that they control everything and that they control curriculum and the institutions and the corporations.
As soon as they say that, they become less powerful.
Their power is in framing themselves as a victim.
Their power is trying to convince you that they're under attack.
Corrine Jean-Pierre contradicts herself.
Yeah, we're in Pride Month.
Oh, you have an entire month and we're literally under attack.
Literally, play cut nine.
There's a lot of things that are happening in this country.
A lot of things.
It is unprecedented.
It is scary.
We're in Pride Month, where the LGBTQ community is literally under attack.
Literally.
Literally under attack.
We're under attack so much that a lesbian can't even become a press secretary.
So let me get this straight.
You're super under attack, and you have an LGBTQ advocate posing as a press secretary, but we're literally under attack.
Is that why you have parades in every single downtown urban center?
Is that why every corporation is excited to change the color configurations of their branding and their logo to fit Pride Month?
But we're under attack.
But they need to keep saying that.
They're never going to stop saying that.
This is exactly what the black community does via BLM.
Not all people, the black community.
But the people at the top echelon remain powerful by framing themselves as a perpetually persecuted class.
The moment Corrine Jean-Pierre comes out and she says, you know what?
We're actually in charge of everything.
Stop complaining.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
All of a sudden, all these nonprofits and billions of dollars and the currency of being able to be on the height of the oppression Olympics.
And let me be very clear, you're not under attack, Corrine Jean-Pierre.
Your degeneracy is being challenged.
Why?
Because you guys are groomers.
You guys are going after children.
You are sexualizing our curriculum without any regard or reservation for decency or virtue.
So yeah, there is finally a generational challenge.
And anything short of us, like you might say, well, Charlie, what would satisfy them?
Nothing would satisfy them.
But they would maybe shut up for a day if I did this entire month wearing like a rainbow shirt.
Maybe.
But that wouldn't even be enough.
Mandatory celebration, mandatory participation.
They will never be satisfied.
They have a never-ending appetite for your surrender and your compliance, regardless of how many institutions they control, regardless of an entire month dedicated to them.
Billions of dollars.
Positions of authority.
Doesn't matter.
Somebody in Cedar Rapids, Iowa said they believe in traditional marriage.
We're under attack.
So there's this video that is going viral.
Do we have the cuts loaded up?
A young black lady, and she defends this in a subsequent video in Cut 95.
I'll call for it in a second.
Is getting a diploma and somehow gets in a wrestling match with a masked official.
She grabs the microphone.
No, someone's masked in this.
That's not right.
And starts screaming.
Play cut 95.
Okay, go.
Let's go.
Let's go.
You better let me get my moment.
So I want to say, my name is Connie Janta Diano, and I'm graduating today.
Oh, my God.
You snatched the mic out of my hand.
So today is going to be all about me.
Oh, drop the mic.
Congratulations!
So we don't know what school this is.
And so she grabs the microphone during a graduation ceremony and she says, you weren't going to give the mic to me.
And today is going to be all about me.
Now, during a graduation ceremony, where there's obviously lots of other people, we don't know what school this is.
So now she defends her actions.
And given her explanation, even if this is true, it's not even close to being dignified.
This here, I think, best embodies what college has become.
Do you think that this young lady has spent years developing wisdom?
Do you get the impression that this is a wise individual?
No, she's become exactly what college seeks to create, which is hyper-angry activists who are lethally talented at complaining.
PlayCut 96.
People that went before me and everything, they all got to say their name, their major, and even extras.
And me and another girl noticed that she was putting the mic, she was pulling the mic down super fast for some black people.
I don't want to be that person, but that was the tea.
So, I mean, I just couldn't let her, I just couldn't let that happen because I just feel like I worked so hard to graduate and went through so much to graduate that I just felt like I had to reclaim my moment.
I'm sorry.
I just had to reclaim my moment.
Yeah, because it's all about you.
So you have to go make this mass display of mass hysteria, shrieking narcissism.
In life, you might not always get your moment.
We don't know this young lady's name.
And in some ways, she's just a byproduct of whatever cartel that she probably went into debt with.
And quite honestly, the joke's on you.
You have a worthless piece of paper.
And the most important thing is to make sure that you have your moment.
Well, yeah, you have your moment.
But out of all the things, the alarming aspect of this is how social media is reacting, is that the reaction is largely positive towards this.
You go, girl, you tell them.
You speak your truth.
If you're a hiring manager, do not hire this young woman.
Stay away from her.
Whoever this person is, you do not want her to work for you.
Seeing racism where it doesn't exist, trying to find this phantom of prejudice, and then being so aggrieved and so angry, you have to wrestle the woman, the faculty administrator for the microphone and exclaim, this is my moment.
And the oh, interesting.
She follows Benny Johnson on Instagram.
That's interesting.
If she's a right-winger, that will be one of the more funny developments I've ever seen.
I don't care her politics.
She acted like a brat.
She acted like a narcissistic freak.
You shouldn't do that.
And it goes to show what college produces.
It does not produce humble, wise people.
College does not.
It creates angry people.
People that are trained to find injustice where it doesn't exist.
It does not develop a grateful attitude.
No, that right there, all about me.
Today's my day.
Well, no, it's actually your day plus all the other people that are simultaneously graduating, including your families, Dan.
You just made a fool out of yourself.
But society is celebrating her for speaking her truth.
It goes to show we're in a much deeper rot than I think some of us realize.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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