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June 12, 2023 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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How Donald Trump Can "Win" the Indictment Issue
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Positives From The Indictment 00:02:12
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What positives could come out of this ridiculous indictment?
We walk through that and also some of the details of the indictment that are really significant.
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Controlling Your Attitude 00:08:30
I have right here the indictment.
The indictment of President Donald J. Trump.
Donald Trump will be in Miami, Florida tomorrow and will be officially indicted.
I guess he's already indicted, but tomorrow is the process to go through all that.
It's really something.
I encourage you to read it.
Several people over the weekend, the snobby center-right people that think they're conservative, that want to get rid of Trump, they say, read the indictment.
It's very serious.
It's a very serious indictment.
So I read the indictment.
This is paperwork stuff.
That's what this all is.
And you know what's interesting?
When you read the indictment, the first question you ask is, did the government get all their documents back?
Yep, they did.
The government got all their pieces of paper back.
Did Donald Trump sell the secrets to the enemy?
Did Donald Trump use this information as a way to get money to the Trump Foundation?
Did Donald Trump smash a bunch of phones and delete a bunch of emails or obstruct justice?
No, they got all their documents back.
This is a paperwork dispute, literally.
Now, the Presidential Records Act does not have a criminal component to it.
So they had to broaden this to the Espionage Act, which was brought forward by Woodrow Wilson.
This is a big problem with our criminal code, is that they go way backwards into the criminal code of antiquated laws that were written for a different time.
By the way, the Espionage Act never should have been passed.
It was used to put nearly 2,000 political dissidents under Woodrow Wilson in jail.
They did this with the Foreign Agent Registration Act, which was in 1930s anti-Nazi law that was used potentially against Michael Flynn and others.
So they resurrect these old laws that would never be used against Democrats to go after Republicans and people on the center right that they don't like, threats to the regime.
Now, they like to broaden it.
They say 37 count indictment.
You could have had Hillary Clinton on a 10,000 count indictment for all the emails that she deleted.
Paperwork.
We indict now a former president as a paperwork process thing.
And I have to hear the bloviation of the people on television.
Oh, this is very serious.
Do you know what is serious?
Serious is having someone like Bill Clinton fly with underage girls to an island.
That actually has my curiosity, not paperwork.
And they say, oh, well, you know, it's because of nuclear secrets.
He was the president of the United States.
He could declassify whatever he wants.
Did somebody end up stealing one of those documents?
Did somebody end up photocopying one of those documents?
Now, we're going to go through some of the details here in this indictment.
I encourage you to read it.
I'll also summarize it so you don't have to.
It's just beyond shocking that they were able to pierce the attorney-client privilege veil to get Trump's own attorneys to testify against him.
It's such a ridiculous threshold to be able to get to.
Of course, all this was built on the prerequisite of raiding Mar-a-Lago and then having his attorneys testify against him.
So we'll get into all the details of this.
But I want to have a different approach to begin today.
Because it seems as if on most right-wing media and conservatives, they are focused on the negatives of this.
Wow, this is going to be really tough and he might have to stand trial and all this.
I'm a big believer, and this is the attitude that I've brought every single day to Turning Point USA.
This is the attitude we have on this show.
It's the attitude that has built Donald Trump's business empire and made him president of the United States, is that you have a choice in life.
There's very few things you are able to completely control.
One of the things you are able to control is your attitude towards less than desirable circumstances.
You have agency.
You have will.
I would say you have free will.
You see, the prevailing dogma is that this is going to hurt Donald Trump, that this is a deathblow to his candidacy, even if convicted.
But I reject the premise.
The old adage is 10% of life is what happens to you.
90% of life is how you respond.
And you know this in just basic PR tactics and in business, you can use the enemy's weight against them, but it takes a mindset shift.
Donald Trump is the best at this.
His entire career, he has used literal leverage and metaphorical leverage against people who wished him harm.
When he owed a bunch of money to the banks, he got all the banks in the room and he said, I'm too big to default on.
You're going to have to do a deal with me.
When Donald Trump saw that Woolman Rink was going in the wrong direction, he intervened and used it to his advantage to save Woolman Rink and get the project done very quickly.
He did that with the convention center.
He did it with the Plaza Hotel.
He did it with the formerly Commodore Hotel and turned it into Hyatt Hotel.
His whole life, and he wrote about this in the Art of the Deal, and I encourage you to read it because he's now in the highest stakes situation.
He finds himself in his career.
His whole life has been an intentional set of circumstances where he chooses to use something negative towards a positive.
From Bob Mueller's investigation to what I consider to be a moment that we can learn from.
You see, we forget that Donald Trump has had his back against the wall time and time and time again.
Why is it?
What is it about this man that makes it that he's always able to escape and grow stronger?
Is it because he has some sort of guardian angel around him?
Some people speculate yes, but I think the answer is far more simple.
Why do we have Teflon Don?
What is it?
It's because he embraces a certain attitude that is proven to be successful.
It is not pathological positive thinking.
It is, I'm going to choose an attitude to use whatever might be dealt to me as negative and turn it into a positive.
Mind you, most humanity thinks this is insane.
Most people believe that the circumstances that are less than desirable that are dealt to them is nothing but a negative.
But Donald Trump embraces a contrarian view of life that has proven to be very successful.
For example, the one instance that was supposed to be the deathblow.
If you think this indictment is big and all the rankering, let me take you back in time.
Let's go back into the time machine to something I lived through, something that was supposed to end his campaign, something that was supposed to cripple him, something that quite honestly was met with more bipartisan injury, insults, the Billy Bush tape.
The Billy Bush tape was supposed to be the end of Donald J. Trump.
We forget because it was so many years ago, but it was across the board.
How can somebody talk like this?
And yes, it was locker room talk, not defensible in polite society.
A lot of people talk that way.
That was now almost seven years ago.
Many people said he is done, but Donald Trump used it to his advantage.
How could Donald Trump use such a tape to potentially win over suburban women?
How could Donald Trump use such an quote incriminating moment when he's running against a woman?
How did he?
Well, Donald Trump looked at it ahead of him and he used the momentum that was against him to his advantage.
Donald Trump said, fine, I'm going to run a campaign based on my instincts.
And all you DC consultants that have now resigned because of this tape, I'm going to trust my gut.
It was Donald Trump unshackled.
It was Donald Trump all of a sudden where he came up with the mantra, drain the swamp.
It was Donald Trump who then came up with the one-liners.
After that, Donald Trump said, despite the protests of his consultants at the time, you're going to be in jail.
One of the great one-liners in debate history.
He used the overwhelming hurricane tsunami of the Billy Bush tapes and turned it into energy and momentum that won him the presidency.
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So what positives could potentially come out of this?
Well, again, I just want to reiterate, Donald Trump has built a whole career, having his back against the wall, having to declare bankruptcy, and using it to his advantage.
And it is a lesson for us all.
When you feel as if the odds are overwhelming, there is always a positive that you can identify.
But it takes deliberate and intentional focus.
It takes precision in thinking.
Victor Frankl is the best on this in man's search for meaning.
Victor Frankl in the book Man's Search for Meaning in a concentration camp.
You think you're having a tough day.
Victor Frankl was in a concentration camp and found meaning in suffering.
He found meaning in this hellish circumstances around him.
And you might say, what on earth could Victor Frankl in a concentration camp possibly find meaningful?
What could he find?
And he said, My purpose will now be surviving so that I can write a book about this experience to educate millions and millions of other people.
Mindset shift.
That takes agency.
You see, the rest of the world and largely the secular world and even some of the religious world, but the secular world, is they think life happens to you.
That you're nothing more than a recipient of the cause and effect of everything around you and you are helpless.
What built the West is a different belief is that, yes, life can happen to you, but largely, life is the attitude you present to the rest of the world.
Victor Frankl called this logo therapy.
And I just want to push back on some of the overly negative sentiments that I'm hearing from people.
Oh, Charlie, it's over.
The country is dead.
Seizing Advantage Differently 00:02:30
That could be true.
But then the next question is, but then what?
But then what?
Do you use what could be considered to be nothing but negative as a great blessing?
Yes, it takes effort.
Yes, you have to reject the chattering class, Operation Mockingbird.
Now, in a primary, it's already being said that this can work to Donald Trump's advantage, that this can work to benefit him.
ABC's Rick Klein indictments are not hurting Trump in the polls.
Play cut five.
There's nothing in polling right now that suggests that Donald Trump is being hurt by federal indictments, by any indictments.
The case of New York from a couple of months ago, it may actually have helped his standing.
Look at this.
This is our 538 polling average.
Back on April 4th, when those charges against Donald Trump in Manhattan were first unveiled, Donald Trump was leading Ron DeSantis, his closest rival, by about 20 points.
Now, you fast forward two months to this weekend, Donald Trump is leading DeSantis by 30 points plus.
For those who are saying that Donald Trump is done politically as a result of facing criminal charges, there's just no evidence of that yet.
There's just no evidence of that.
So the immediate positive is that Donald Trump is going to almost certainly win the Republican nomination.
All these other candidates, they are fumbling and mishandling this.
Chris Christie's super PAC is sending out text messages trying to troll Donald Trump.
Mike Pence since no one is above the law.
Vivek Ramaswamy, to his great credit, is going down to Miami tomorrow, actually listening to the clarion call I sent out.
Good job, Vivek.
We're not really seeing other candidates capitalize on this the way they should.
You see, the media thinks they should capitalize on this completely differently.
Morning Mika and others, they say, why are they not seizing on this?
Why are they not seizing on this?
Well, I agree they should just seize on it differently.
They should actually get parallel with Trump and in harmony with Trump as he is persecuted by an unelected, out-of-control Department of Justice, rogue Marxist prosecutor.
That is actually, they should use it to their personal advantage if they want to become nominee, but they're getting bad advice from consultants who hate Trump so much they can't see straight.
But I see tons of positives, not just for Trump, but to potentially for the country.
And you have to be clear, you can't talk yourself into delusion, but at the same time, you have to deal in reality.
Media Missteps On Traditions 00:15:11
This is a crummy, civilizational altering garbage indictment.
So you have a choice.
You give up, like some people are recommending in a lot of emails.
Charlie, I'm done.
I'm taken away.
Again, those are the Sunshine Patriots, summertime people.
They're going to go be on their boats while we're in the trenches.
Fine.
Or we can try to do the process, do the work of the deliberate effort of what good can come out of this.
And in fact, I think a lot of good can come out of this if we so choose to find the good out of this.
Not just good for Trump, but good for the Republican Party and good for even the country.
Is it possible that they overshot the target, that they overcharge, that they allowed themselves to be filled with the very passion that they're supposed to keep tempered?
Is it possible the government is going to do something that quote unquote backfires, but it takes intentional attitude adjustments?
And we're going to try to set the tone here on the Charlie Kirk show.
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What are the positives that we can gather from the Trump indictment?
Again, we're going to have some great legal minds to go through just the silliness of all this.
And I have to just say the great one, Mark Levin, he is built for moments like this.
Former chief of staff to attorney general, he has fought in one cases in court.
When Mark all of a sudden starts talking about stuff, I just, I am an astute listener like many of you.
What are the positives that can come out of this?
Number one, it is obvious that Donald Trump is so strong, such a threat, potentially so popular that they must deploy every extra constitutional measure possible.
It is also true that they're afraid that they cannot pull off 2020 again.
2020 was lightning in a bottle, and so many Republicans fell for it.
And I think President Donald Trump was the first one to tell you that he should have put Fauci on the sidelines, not let Burks there.
But they used the fake pagan religion of scientism, the fear of death, to over-exaggerate COVID, lock down the country, mask us up, make us feel unfamiliar with one another, put forward an idea pathogen of racial arson, then have Mark Zuckerberg come in with a bunch of money for drop boxes.
They censored their political opponents.
They had tabletop exercises.
I mean, 2020 was quote unquote the masterclass in deep state private companies, public health measures, public health measures, all at once, working in harmony.
And even with all of that, they were barely able to displace Donald Trump from power.
Barely.
It was like 10,000 votes in Arizona, like 8,000 votes in Georgia, and 22,000 votes in Wisconsin.
I can get the final numbers.
Those are all about approximations.
There is a fear in the Praetorian Guard.
There is a fear in the deep state.
There's a fear in the unelected, the administrative state, that they will be unable to replicate the sequence of events that happened in 2024.
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Or are they going to deploy another virus and all this?
I have no idea.
But it seems as if right now, Crossfire MAGA, 2024, the first salvo from the regime is indictments.
2016, they did not go full court press.
They did not go full court press.
2016, they did some stuff with Peter Strzokzhuk Smirk, Russia.
They thought Billy Bush was going to be it.
The FBI, the Department of Justice, Merrick Garland, who was supposed to be a Supreme Court justice, all these craven, power-hungry Democrats like Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden and Chuck Hugh Schumer thought it was going to be an easy landing.
Donald Trump shocked the world.
Again, so much of what we are living through is based on the fact they did not expect him to win in 2016.
The surprise factor is everything.
They were taken off by guard.
They had their defenses down.
So now they are overcompensating.
They're overcompensating.
And yes, Donald Trump will likely be indicted in Georgia, and then he'll likely be indicted on January 6th stuff.
Do you see they're trying to increase the severity in each one of these, and I put severity in quotes, of each one of these indictments.
First, you start with some stupid thing with Stormy Daniels that no one even knows what he's indicted for, paperwork stuff.
And then you have for document retention stuff.
And then they're going to go with Fannie Willis in Georgia.
And then finally, they think they're going to have the quote unquote death blow with January 6th type stuff, like stuff that is basically sisters or cousins to quote unquote insurrection.
So they can finally label him as an insurrectionist.
The first positive, though, is that it is now a fact.
It is now something that we can say the most powerful elite people in our government believe that there is a chance Donald Trump can win the presidency again.
That should give you hope.
There are some people that say, oh, there's no way that he can win.
There is no way that he could do it.
No, no, no.
The way they're acting is out of absolute desperation.
They're also acting as if we are not going to, We're not going to leave anything on the table.
We are going to go all out and we're going to go out early.
The second positive that I can take away immediately is that if Donald Trump handles this in a certain way, we can get back to 2016 energy.
Donald Trump, after the Billy Bush tapes, ignored all of the advice of the people around him.
He said, in his Trumpian way, forget you.
There is a different word that he used with the same first letter, but let's just say, forget you.
All the advice to Trump was roll over and die.
Just surrender.
You're done.
And Donald Trump said, no, that's not how I built a world-class business.
That's not how I was able to save the Commodore Hotel and turn it into the high.
That's not how I did the Plaza deal, how I did the convention center deal.
No, no, no, no.
I'm going to fight and scrap.
That's what I've always done.
And it's so unusual because DC, especially Republican consultants and Republican advisors, are so weak.
They're so low testosterone that you have this alpha male that comes in who's built businesses and dealt with investigations and had to fight New York City Hall for 30 years and had to buy the air rights to Trump Tower over Tiffany.
This guy's a beast.
He's like, a Billy Bush tape?
Like, forget you.
I'm going to win this thing.
And again, only someone with those kind of multiple decades of scars and attacks and experience would have been able a month out from the election just to say, forget you.
I'm going to do what I want.
And an example of this, of course, is that you're going to be in jail is the response to the Billy Bush tape.
But the other example of this is Donald Trump, and this went everywhere.
Was Donald Trump, every one of his advisors said, don't say this, don't say this, don't say this, don't say this.
And Donald Trump famously said to black people, what do you have to lose?
And all of his consultants were burying their head in their hands.
And yet Donald Trump did significantly better with black voters than Willard Mitt Romney or John McCain.
Significantly better.
Play cut 11.
African American communities have suffered under Democratic control.
To those I say the following.
What do you have to lose?
And he was attacked as a racist.
And guess what?
In the state of Georgia and in the state of Wisconsin and the state of Pennsylvania and Michigan, all states that he won in 2016, he did better with blacks than traditional Republican candidates did, largely because of that message.
You can't say that.
You can't say that.
And Trump's like, okay, you guys have barely crossed the precipice of 2% support in the black community.
I'm probably not going to listen to you.
So Donald Trump trusted his instincts and said it clearly once Donald Trump was unshackled, when Donald Trump was no longer controlled.
In fact, he used the Billy Bush tape as an ability to be free of bad advice and to trust his instincts and talk to the American people directly.
He was contrarian and it worked.
If Donald Trump goes back to that 2016 energy and says, forget you and forget you and your talking points and stop, I personally don't like Donald Trump on a teleprompter.
I don't.
I like Donald Trump off the cuff with a couple things to talk about.
I like him extemporaneous.
I like him candid.
I want him to do his stand-up town hall type thing and talks directly with the American people.
I think teleprompter Trump is proven to be not successful nearly as much as Donald Trump in Waffle House, Donald Trump in McDonald's, Donald Trump talking directly to voters in East Palestine.
Donald Trump buying pizza for everybody.
He's built for it.
45 years of television.
The guy knows how to communicate with people.
And I'm not going to say any names, but some of the other people running for the presidency, holy moly, they don't know how to do retail politics.
I'm looking at these videos and I'm cringing and I say, okay, that's not going to work, especially in Iowa.
That dog's not going to hunt.
You can have you guess who I'm talking about.
The third positive that comes to mind, which is probably the most important, and this one will be the most difficult for President Donald Trump because he's going to want to make this about him.
And if I could make some advice, tell someone, I'm going to see Donald Trump in a couple of weeks.
I said this on the phone to him.
I'll say it again.
I'll say everything public that I say private, which is please try your best to make the indictments less about you, even though it is about you, and make it about a broad-based indictment of the administrative state.
Make it philosophical as much as you can, because President Trump believes this 100%.
They're putting the Constitution on trial.
They're putting our traditions on trial.
They're putting the idea of consent of the governed on trial.
Use this as a venue, albeit a frustrating and unprecedented venue, to articulate a 100-year slow-motion slide, which was brought to you by Woodrow Wilson with the birth of the administrative state.
Basically saying, I'm under indictment by the deep state because they know our movement has already indicted them.
That's a positive.
Donald Trump has an opportunity to expose and to bring to light a group of people, an organization, a community that likes to operate in the shadows.
The same group of people that Dwight D. Eisenhower warned us about.
The same people that, according to RFK, killed JFK.
The same people that wanted Richard Nixon gone.
The same people that have worked in treacherous subterranean ways post-World War II in the J. Edgar Hoover model of we're in charge, you're not in charge.
Donald Trump now has a once in a century opportunity to stare them down and offer a referendum on the administrative state.
Difficult?
Yes.
Historic?
Yes.
But if anyone can do it, Donald Trump can.
You know, I was asked by somebody in the media, Charlie, and they actually agreed with me, this member of the media, that Trump is going to win the nomination.
They said, but to the uninitiated, how do you explain Donald Trump's appeal to the Republican base?
Because this is how most people in the liberal media understand it.
And I just, this is a great picture here to kind of give an idea, and then I'll explain it away.
Again, this is just such full of lies, and it's just so dishonest.
It's Joe Scarborough screaming into the camera like a crazy person.
Is he taking Ozembic or something?
I don't know because he's acting insane.
Play cut four.
And this is what I've been saying till I'm blue in the face since 2017.
Trump As A Symbol 00:04:28
That is us.
People who actually give a damn about a president of the United States who steals nuclear secrets and then lies about it to the FBI and then lies about it when the FBI tries to retrieve nuclear secrets.
Things that are not his.
80%.
That is us.
That is us.
We are the majority, and we will stay the majority as long as these insurrectionists, weirdos, and freaks continue to say it's okay for Donald Trump to do whatever he wants to do.
Yeah, so he's calling you an insurrectionist, a weirdo, and a freak from MSNBC.
That should be considered a compliment.
So, Joe Scarborough's really becoming a caricature of himself.
But Scarborough talking about this is informative because that's how the regime media thinks about it.
Oh my goodness.
I can't.
First of all, let's just go through stealing nuclear secrets as if Donald Trump did a mission impossible type suspension from the ceiling to avoid trying to trigger an alarm and had to like pick a lock and take out nuclear secrets.
No, he took documents that were his as president under the Presidential Records Act.
It makes you think, why did NARA, the National Records Act, allow him to take all these boxes?
They probably did it and turned a blind eye, knowing that they might be able to use these boxes and the documents against him.
He had full power to declassify it.
And quite honestly, they got every single document returned.
I don't want to hear the bloviation or the lecturing about paperwork stuff while our country is being invaded.
We are running trillion-dollar deficits.
We have 110,000 people drug overdosing.
And I have to worry about the criminalization of paperwork, the criminalization of paperwork in boxes.
While Hillary Clinton deletes emails and Bill Clinton is on the Lita Express with children, Hillary Clinton is laundering money from foreign countries.
We have an outright crook as president of the United States, but I have to go get angry about paperwork.
And some conservatives, by the way, oh, these are very serious charges.
These are serious charges.
If you hate a man, you can make yourself believe that they're serious charges.
Every document returned, everything repossessed.
But let me get back to something I was, the point I was trying to make.
For the uninitiated, the people that say, how could Donald Trump be more popular after this?
It's because the Republican base, for better or for worse, I believe for better, and one of our team members thinks there's some trouble with this, but I think it's actually good.
They see the entire administrative state against them.
And they see this private-public partnership, this cabal and this cartel that have been fused together, that have gone through this merger, that it's been Deloitte and it's been McKinsey working with the Department of Commerce.
It has been Google working with the FTC to crush the ordinary American.
They see Donald Trump as a symbol.
It is the pathos and it is the ethos and less of the logos.
They see a man who is a defector from the billionaire lifestyle who came in to now sacrifice his lifestyle, his comfort, his nice life of being within billionaire circles to go fight for the forgotten man and woman.
And now that one guy, that one defector, just happens to be the recipient of the punishment of the administrative state.
And that creates a tribal, immovable, non-persuadable us versus them Republican base that sees him as a symbol.
I'm sorry for the other candidates.
You are losing your opportunity to gain traction.
He is only furthering, he's further solidifying his bond and his relationship with the Republican base.
The more they penalize him, the more they terrorize him, the more they smear him.
And if you don't see that, you're talking to consultants and donors way too much and not with the actual ordinary Republican-based voters themselves.
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