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June 11, 2023 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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The Empathy Issue with Allie B. Stuckey

For this Sunday edition of The Charlie Kirk Show, enjoy a conversation between Charlie and Allie B. Stuckey where they dive into the dangers of self-love, the importance of strong Christian churches, and where the Left gets it wrong when it comes to empathy.Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Allie B. Stuckey, we're on Conquered Land at the Gay Lord Emphasis on Gay.
Welcome.
Thanks.
For people listening that don't get the reference, we are currently at a hotel in Dallas, Texas, where they have this massive gay flag on equal footing with the Texas flag.
Yes, of course.
It's just as important.
I mean, why not?
You're a Texan, right?
Yep.
Born and raised.
How does that make you feel?
What is your truth?
Yeah, my truth on that is that I'm unfortunately not surprised.
Texas, even though it's a great, wonderful state with a lot of freedom-loving people, it goes the way of a lot of states, unfortunately, where we elevate, you know, self-identity to patriotism and being proud of your state.
It's a sad world.
So let me go through an objection that a wokie gave, who's a Christian guy, who says, why does it matter?
Because I posted about it.
He said, how is that impacting you?
The Empathy Trap Explained 00:15:16
Yeah, that's always their thing.
How does it impact you?
And that's how it starts.
It doesn't impact you.
A Bergenfeld doesn't impact you.
You know, boys going into girls' restrooms doesn't impact you.
You're not in college.
Why do you care if a man is swimming against a woman?
Why do you care?
You're not the one getting puberty blockers.
But if you ask them the same question, do you care about issues that don't directly affect you?
You are not a woman.
This man is not.
But you say you care about abortion.
If you're straight, you say that you care about gay marriage.
Why do you care about issues that don't directly affect you?
And by the way, all of these things do directly affect us.
As parents, in particular, all of these things affect us.
And they obviously care.
I mean, so they care enough to talk about the fact that we don't care.
Yeah.
And isn't one of their mantras, an injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere?
Something like that.
Yeah, exactly.
That's another one of the states.
That's one of their sticks, right?
Well, police brutality is an effect.
Police brutality isn't affecting you.
Why do you care?
Yeah, but it's a macro.
Yeah.
And they call themselves empathetic.
They want us to be empathetic.
But when we care about issues that affect other people, like unborn children, all of a sudden, well, why do you care?
You're so weird for caring.
Yeah.
And so the other question is, so they obviously care so much about pollution and the environment.
This is soul pollution.
Yeah.
Like having that gay flag out there is, that's degenerative exhaust to our society.
Yeah, of course they don't see it like that.
They see it as liberation.
They see it as self-expression.
But I think we've seen how slippery the slope is every time.
So let's go through something you said.
The love of self, which really is a product of modernity.
It's a cancer.
Yeah.
Where did this come from?
Yeah.
You know, if you read some old Puritan writings, really, if you read the Bible, the scripture says at the end days, people will be lovers of self.
That's actually that's in, well, it's actually, it's not in Romans 1, but it is basically the same thing as Romans 1.
Um, that you're following yourself, you're following yourself as your own God, you're following your own feelings.
It's an indication of evil, it's an indication of wickedness.
That doesn't mean that we're supposed to loathe ourselves.
Um, that's actually just another form of self-obsession.
But we're actually called as Christians to self-forgetfulness, to self-denial, that things aren't about us for better or for worse.
Things about things are about something much bigger and someone much bigger and better than us.
And there's like a lot of freedom in that.
But when you are your own God, like you are tied to all of your own feelings and all of your own cravings and all of your own desires, it becomes a very brutal slave master.
And that's an unquestioned principle of modernity.
Yeah.
Is that you triumph over duty, you triumph over an obligation.
Right, right.
It's exchanging the God of scripture for the God of self, but it's also exchanging sacrifice for convenience, discomfort, for comfort, everything that allows you instant gratification, that makes you happy in the moment, whether or not it even makes you happier a whole long term.
That is the thing that you are not only supposed to pursue, but that you have to pursue in order to achieve some kind of status of fulfillment.
And I think that we see where that leads.
I mean, rates of depression and anxiety and loneliness and isolation are higher than they've ever been.
And the defenders of modernity in Christianity as well, there's plenty of Christian, you know, Christians, I put in air quotes.
They say it's because we haven't done a good enough job of tearing down the racism and the sexism and the patriarchy.
That's why people are so depressed.
Yeah.
I don't think that you could say that any person could argue that even if you think that America is still racist today, which it's not, or still sexist today, whatever, you definitely couldn't say that it's more racist or sexist than it was 60 years ago.
And yet we're far more depressed and anxious than we were 60 years ago.
So that doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.
What, where is the church most failing on this topic?
And I use the church as a very overly broad people who identify as going to church basically.
And then I think less than 10% are actually really believing of the truths.
Maybe, I don't know.
That's an approximation.
Yeah.
Are you talking about the issue of self-love or just all of us?
Let's just talk about, I mean, you and I are both believers.
I dedicate a majority of my criticism towards people who call themselves believers.
Totally.
Yeah, me too.
I think a lot of Christians, especially Christian women, they get stuck in what I call the empathy trap, which they're basically told in order to be truly empathetic or to be truly compassionate or loving, you have to be progressive.
You have to be for open borders.
You have to advocate for, you know, against so-called police brutality or systemic racism or all of these things.
And really, they're just being emotionally extorted.
They're being morally manipulated.
They're being told in order to be a good person, you have to be on the left.
I think a lot of Christian women fall into that because they think love and empathy are the same things and they're not.
Describe that further.
Yeah.
So love inherent in love is truth.
We actually read that in 1 Corinthians 13.
Love is patient.
Love is kind.
Love doesn't rejoice in wrongdoing, but it rejoices with the truth.
Empathy can be a really good thing.
I can put myself in your shoes.
If you're struggling as a parent, I can say, Charlie, I've totally been there.
That's a really hard time.
I know what you're going through.
And that form of compassion can be really helpful, whether you're talking personally or politically.
But at the end of the day, if you say, look, parenting is really hard, I'm going to leave, you know, I'm going to leave my family.
I could empathize with the hardship, but say that is still wrong.
So my empathy stops because I have to say, I get what you're saying, but there's truth that has to come in here.
So with politics, I can say, look, I understand the plight of the migrant must be really, really difficult.
I can empathize in a sense with that woman who is carrying her child across the border.
But at the end of the day, borders matter.
Truth matters because sovereignty matters, because our safety matters, their security matters.
And so you can't stop at empathy when you're making policy decisions.
That's where COVID led us.
Oh, let's just save grandma.
Well, the other side of that empathy trap is that you ruin the lives of millions of people based on really stupid, unscientific policy.
So love has truth.
Empathy doesn't always.
Yeah, you're sweeter than I am.
I really don't have a lot of compassion for criminals breaking into our country.
I'll be honest.
Like, go home.
So, but is this like a, is this a hyper-feminine thing in Christianity, though, that you think that is empathy piece?
Like, elevating archetypical.
I mean, because there's plenty of men who think that way, right?
But yeah, I mean, it's a more feminine trait, I think, to be empathetic.
I mean, we just demonstrated that just now.
And I think that that's good.
I think that's, you know, complementary of each other, the feminine and the masculine, when it comes to men being able to see, well, I'm just seeing the logic behind it.
Not that women can't be logical too, and women being more feelings-driven and relational.
And so I do think while both men and women can embody these characteristics, it's typically more feminine to put that first.
So let me ask a deeper, more provocative question.
Has modern Christianity become overly feminized?
I think a lot of people would say that it is because a lot of sermons are about how you feel.
A lot of sermons are about making you feel good, making sure that you're not insecure, making sure that you feel accepted.
And that's basically what women have been.
We've had that preach to us for years and years.
Just love yourself and all of your problems will be solved.
Should women be pastors?
No, of course not.
Well, that's not, of course not.
Tell me why.
I mean, I agree with you, but I'm just.
Yeah, I think Titus 2 is really clear about this.
1 Timothy is really clear about this.
And the reason for it is not rooted in, and this is, I've gotten in trouble even from like conservatives saying this.
It's not rooted in the fact that women are not good communicators.
I love to communicate.
I love to give speeches.
It's not rooted in the fact that women are less than or that they're incapable of things.
It's for in some kind of mysterious way, it's rooted in creation because Adam was created first.
Eve was creative, created second, Eve was deceived, Adam wasn't.
That's controversial, but that's what scripture tells us.
And so there is a hierarchy to all things.
There is a hierarchy to Christ in the church that wives are to submit to our husbands as we submit to the Lord.
Husbands, love your wives as Christ loves the church.
That's what Ephesians 5 tells us.
So even in marriage, it's not the exact same.
There's a hierarchy and an order of things for our good.
And so that's what I remember as someone who loves to communicate, who would love to, you know, stand up and speak to people and teach and things like that.
Even though I am capable of something, I know that I'm not called to it.
Even if I don't always fully understand the hierarchies and orders that God puts in place, while women can teach in a lot of capacities, serve in a lot of capacities, they're not to be exercising authority over men and church.
Why is that so hard?
Because most, most, I would say, 50% of churches agree with that.
Yeah, I think it's difficult because of what I just said, that if women are capable of doing something, why aren't they also called to it?
And if you feel like doing something, if you want to do something, if you're good at something, then that must be synonymous with God's calling you to do something.
And that's not necessarily true.
We all have to submit our desires to the Lord, men and women.
Yeah, I mean, the current Orthodox, Orthodoxy is not the right word, the current zeitgeist of the church, the spirit of the times, is trying to look more like the world and trying to fit into that.
And so if you were to try to give an approximation, what percentage of churches do you think are scripturally and theologically sound?
You know, I read this really startling statistic just the other day.
I was talking to Dr. George Barna.
You know, he is the study that was put together that he was commenting on, only 42% of lead pastors have what they defined as a biblical worldview, which they go through seven cornerstones, very basic Christian tenets of a biblical worldview.
It was something like 32% or less of children's pastors have a biblical worldview.
We're talking very basic questions, like, what do you think about the authority of God?
What do you think about the authority of scripture?
What do you think about sin?
Like, Christians get these answers wrong.
Pastors get these answers wrong.
So it is a small percentage of churches, unfortunately, in the United States that are really preaching the word.
Is when you have a lack of a dedication to the word, is that when all of a sudden this bad woke progressive stuff starts to enter?
Yeah, I think so.
And obviously, it's not just the woke progressive stuff.
It's all different kinds of false doctrine that can creep in when you go outside of the word of God.
And God is so gracious and merciful that he has given us this guidebook that like you don't have to look outside of it for wisdom or material or insight.
You've got it all right there every Sunday.
That's your job.
So the kind of one of the major issues that we encounter is some of these churches asking us how they should talk about these issues to their young people.
They say, well, I don't want to lose young people who might be open to the trans thing or open to same-sex attraction.
What is your response to kind of pastors saying that it might threaten the business model?
That humans today are the same as humans have always been.
And God has written eternity on all of our hearts.
And all of us need the gospel equally.
All of us need the truth just as much as sinners did 2,000 years ago.
I'm sure there were a lot of people in pagan Greece and Rome who still thought prostitution was great, wanted to keep going with it and had to stop because they converted to Christianity.
The same is true today.
Like we are not going to evangelize well by trying to outlove God.
That's what I think a lot of these pastors do.
If I'm soft on these issues that the Bible is very clear on, maybe I can be more loving than God.
Maybe I'm more compassionate than God.
Maybe I'm more just than God.
And if that's the case, if that's what you think by presenting a false gospel to people that you will somehow mysteriously lead them to truth, then you actually worship yourself, not God.
And you think some of these pastors would fall into that category?
Like Levi Musco and like these types of people.
Without realizing it, yes, if you disagree with the God of the Bible on what gender is, which he outlined, it's so important.
He puts it in the first chapter of the first book of the Bible.
If you disagree with God on that, you're saying that you know better than the creator of the universe does, which is self-worship.
Yeah, and we have, you know, this kind of phenomenon of the modern pastor who feels very uncomfortable talking about these issues.
Then they'll kind of do this like quasi-motivational speech when they're approaching this.
And so you have a lot of young ladies in your audience that follow what you do and really are, you know, admiring of the truth that you're communicating.
What are you hearing from young women in particular on these issues?
What are they experiencing?
And what are, you know, what, what are the top two or three things that you're hearing from your audience that they're dealing with?
I would say for young Christian women, the big sticking point are race and race and gender sticking points.
That when a story starts circulating that makes it seem like, oh my gosh, yes, white supremacy in this country is alive and well.
I got to post a black square.
I got to post about this story.
I got to show that I really care about these marginalized people.
That's really difficult.
I think the reason why it's difficult is because the Bible is really clear about gender and sexuality.
Some people think that it is less clear about what justice looks like or the issue of race, which I don't believe that, but some people do believe that and they get caught in that empathy chap.
They want to be compassionate.
And so I think that's a really, really difficult issue.
And then gender, it's just like they don't know how to navigate the pronoun thing.
They don't like, okay, am I going to get in trouble at work?
Am I going to get trouble at school?
What about my friend who just came out?
Do I go to the gay wedding?
Those are the things they're dealing with.
Like, how do I love and live in truth at the same time?
So do you go to the gay wedding?
No, you don't because you don't celebrate that, which God calls an abomination.
And by the way, it's not a wedding because God defines marriage one way, which is between a man and a woman.
You might be celebrating two people getting together and celebrating sexual sin, but is that something that you want to be a part of?
I don't think so.
Would anybody, is that a disagreeable thing?
Do some Christians disagree with that?
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
What's the counter?
I think, well, you've got some people like Jen Hatmaker, who would still call herself a Christian, who is totally LGBTQ affirming and says, you know, LGBTQ relationships are holy, whatever.
Finding Truth in Marriage 00:13:40
And then you've got, oh, yeah.
And then you've got some people who would say, well, I don't agree with it, but it's the loving thing to do, how to show them love.
It's not.
It's not.
It's something Carlinz would say.
Something.
Yeah.
A lot of people would probably say that.
So, but having someone feel good is not the same thing as loving them.
No, that's totally true.
So you say race and gender.
That's interesting.
I think so.
The race thing doesn't seem as much in play right now.
Maybe I'm just totally out of touch.
Not right now.
Well, I do think 2020 kind of hurt their cause.
The cause of black lives.
The race arsonist.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We went pretty hard on that.
You were great on it.
Yeah.
There weren't very many of us Christians who were like, don't post a black square immediately.
You were really good.
And not, I mean, this whole, what's that other fraud's name that goes around?
They've made a lot of money and they talk a lot about, you know, oh, yeah, Jesus and all this.
And then their first ones in line at the BLM parade.
No, but anyway, I don't know what I was talking about.
But okay.
Yeah.
A lot of these pastors just affirm this stuff.
Look, I come from the political world.
So this is kind of what we do is we call out like Mitt Romney types, right?
And in the Christian world, everyone kind of like is very gentle and all this.
I'm like, you're a fraud.
Like resign.
Yeah.
Like you're, you're not doing anything worthwhile anymore.
You're finishing poorly, right?
So I don't know why this is so controversial.
Yeah.
I mean, I think it's, you know, for the same reason that anyone virtue signals or for the same reason that anyone tries to score points with the world because it feels good.
I mean, everyone's tried to be lukewarm in, you know, one foot in the world, one foot out for the past 2,000 years.
Well, let's just, so I mean, and you touched on something really important.
If you don't want to talk about politics, okay, do you talk about sin from the pulpit?
Yeah.
Should you be doing that?
Of course you should be.
I mean, you should.
Oh, I'm not asking.
You.
No, no, no.
I'm saying that like these people that don't talk about like, I don't talk about politics.
Have you ever talked about actual sin?
Right.
Like, let's just start there.
Yeah.
And you don't even have to talk about politics per se to touch on issues that are today considered political.
I mean, yeah, 50 years ago, preaching Genesis 1 wasn't considered political, but today it is because in Genesis 127, you have the answer to all the culture words.
What is man?
Yeah, what is man?
What is woman?
What is marriage?
And what is a human?
What image are we made enough?
Yeah, we're made in God's image.
So you've got abortion, marriage, sexuality all right there in the first chapter of the Bible.
That today is considered political.
If you're avoiding that because you think it's political, it's not because you don't want to be political.
It's because you don't want to be biblical.
Yeah, that's exactly right.
And so the issue that I see.
So then if I had Andy Stanley or Lusko or the adulterer Carl Lentz or any of these people right here, right?
They'd be like, oh, no, no, bro.
Like the way we went over the wokeys is we try to have middle ground.
So I had to force feed myself that Hillsong document.
Do you see this thing?
I haven't watched it yet.
I watched the first one from a couple of years ago.
Anybody else seen it?
This Hillsong thing?
On Hulu?
It's actually, it's very well produced.
And it's by a bunch of secular degenerates, which really makes because they're trying to paint all of Christianity like this.
Oh, yeah.
And by the way, I think it's unfair, their portrayal towards Houston and all that.
But the real, they try to make Carl Lentz the savior of the thing, which is what's so sick.
Oh, no, Carl Lentz is in this thing.
And he kind of, it's like a redemption article.
Yeah, the advertisement is very sacrilegious.
He's like in this Jesus type.
Oh, no, no, that's right.
No, but it's kind of like Carl Lentz falls and then he narrates how bad Hillsong is.
And he has like this redemption arc in the last episode.
But what's the most important part of the whole thing is that Carl Lentz was, we all can agree, over-the-top wokey, way too affirming of this stuff, right?
And Hulu spent 30 minutes of this four-part series with people that used to go to his church being like, and he didn't go far enough.
Yeah.
He didn't affirm.
The Serbian stuff with the outside.
The gay stuff, the trans stuff, and be like, we feel let down that Carl was actually deep down this conservative, like right-wing zealot.
No, no, no.
Carl Lentz is not a conservative, right-wing zealot.
Let me tell you, he's an affirming world guy with who also shouldn't be in the ministry.
And so, but there is no appeasing this.
Yeah.
There is no suing for peace.
Well, there never is any appeasement.
Like you saw, this is not in the ministry, but that Blue Jays player who went through the struggle session, apologized for sharing a post about the Bible, basically calling for a target boycott.
And then he ended up having to apologize.
And then he was taken off the roster, at least temporarily.
So even after he apologized and recanted, you still get punished.
It's never enough.
You might as well just stick with God's word.
You're going to be canceled eventually.
Yeah.
Or you just hang out with people like us and we build our own stuff and then we kind of give, you know, a metaphorical biblical middle finger to the world.
Biblical, yeah.
No, a biblical middle finger, right?
So this is another interesting topic that I, so race and gender.
So what percentage of young Christians do you think once they leave or like, so they might give their life to the Lord and they go to college and then they become less Christian.
That's, that's a fact, right?
Why is that?
Is it that they weren't poured into correctly early enough, that the world is so tempting, that just like the carnal delights and temptations?
What's going on here?
Yeah, I think it's a combination of all of those things, not well-versed in apologetics, not discipled well.
They get to college.
They want to find the first friends they can find.
Whether or not those friends have the same value system, I always tell people if you're going to go to college, if you're going to go to college.
Sick of my language.
Yeah.
The first thing you need to do is find like-minded people and stick with them.
You need to find a Bible study.
You need to find a local church.
Those need to be your friends.
That needs to be your community.
Because if you don't do that, not very many people do well with isolation.
That's why, you know, Satan called Jesus out into the wilderness.
He was, you know, craving food and water and lonely.
We're much more vulnerable that way.
But look, most kids went to public school.
I had the privilege of being able to be discipled kindergarten through 12th grade in apologetics and theology.
That does not mean that you're going to be saved.
That doesn't mean that you're going to be solid forever.
But I'm very thankful for the foundation that I had.
Most kids don't have a foundation when they go to college.
Yeah.
And so then they enter into college.
And there's all these.
So I was doing some errands a couple months ago and I was listening to Air One, a K-Love thing.
And they largely do a lot of good work, but they had this guest on who runs this massive campus ministry.
It's not Campus Crusade, but it's one of the other ones.
A huge organization.
And he says, Allie, that this generation is more interested in justice.
And the way we win them over to the gospel is we have to speak their language on trans and race stuff.
And then they're going to accept Jesus.
Yeah.
That's like a little bait and switch, cute little strategy there.
So we're going to lie to them in the hope that they'll fall in love with the truth because that typically works.
Yeah.
And that's, that's, that's, that's the, that's the issue really that seems to be in front of the church right now.
So you're about to speak to 2,500 young women.
What's your message going on?
Yes, favorite event of the year.
Thank you.
Yeah, my, it's going to be what our identity is as women.
On the one hand, you've got kind of like what I think is a little bit of a grifty, like trad movement that isn't necessarily biblical.
It's just like, okay, what I mean by that is that a lot of people, I'm not talking about actual traditional wives.
I'm a traditional wife, but I'm not talking about traditional families and traditional wife and moms, which I think is great.
But there is like this trad grift that goes on where basically a lot of people are like cosplaying as like 19th century like trad families that I think is really weird that puts this strange emphasis on like the only value that a woman brings to the table is being a wife and mom, which by the way, our sacred callings and are very high callings.
But it's not feminism either that gives us our value.
It's not being a CEO or a speaker or whatever.
It's also not being a wife and mom that gives us our highest value.
All of our highest calling is to glorify God.
Not everyone is going to get married.
Unfortunately, not everyone is going to have children.
So like, who are you right now?
What defines you?
What gives you your worth?
And what is your calling right now?
Don't wait to be a trad wife or mom.
Don't wait to be the CEO or the activist that you think that you need to be.
How do you glorify God right now?
Yeah.
And there is, I mean, it's like it's LARPing, live-action role-playing for like I'm on the organ trail or something.
Yeah, yeah, it really is.
It's really I see a little bit of that.
I mean, I actually would rather have that than LARPing as some sort of weird, bisexual, drug, psychedelic, tattooed San Francisco hippie.
It's like, I'm taking my kids to Woodstock.
Like, yeah, I'd rather.
But like, really do it.
Really do it.
Really invest in the middle of the day.
Don't just play the game, right?
Yeah.
You know, actually understand that.
So, I mean, do you think so?
So a lot of these young ladies, you know, if you ask them like, how many are married?
How many want to get married?
How many they're unhappy with the pool of men out there?
That's that's an issue I could speak, you know, rather forcefully, and I do openly about.
Yeah.
I have some opinions that I don't always voice, but I'm wondering if you could say it and read my mind.
What can women do to demand better out of men?
To demand better out of men.
Well, obviously, really the only thing that you can do is be the kind of woman that you, that the kind of man that you are looking for is looking for.
I know that's a lot of words, but that's the only thing that you can control.
You can't control the pool of men.
You can go to the places where godly men are.
They're probably not at the bars.
Like they're probably not at the clubs.
Maybe they're at the gym.
Actually, that's where I met my husband, but they're probably at church.
They're probably at these different organizations and community events that you should also be a part of.
They're definitely not sitting on your couch.
They might not.
I mean, I know some people who have gotten married from dating apps, so I'm not knocking that, but it's more difficult.
One of our staffers is anti-dating apps.
Yeah, it makes it more difficult.
So let me tap down.
How much time do we have?
Six minutes.
Is that okay?
Six minutes?
Yeah, sure.
Okay.
So let me, how do I ask this question nicely?
Or not nicely.
Let me just ask it.
Are women playing into men's carnal desires too much for how they act, how they act and how they dress?
I mean, of course.
Of course, there are women who think that their value comes from their body or comes from what they can offer physically.
And so you do, whether you like it or not as a woman, you could say, oh, it doesn't matter.
It shouldn't matter how I dress.
It shouldn't matter how I present it.
Oh, it 100% matters.
But it does.
Just like it matters.
It also matters to girls how a guy presents themselves.
Maybe not in the same way, but it absolutely does.
That matters.
Also, at the same time, men are responsible for their eyes.
They're responsible for their lust.
They're responsible for their addiction to pornography.
They're responsible for being masculine or feminine.
You can't blame feminism for all of those things.
We're autonomous individuals.
You have to take responsibility.
But the same goes for women.
Present yourself in a respectable way.
Yeah, I just, I find, I mean, some women are like, I can't find a husband.
Like, well, why are you posting like very revealed pictures?
Yeah.
Like that, because men only view you then through the visual and they're not viewing you as something deeper, worthy of desire.
Men are denying that.
You've removed all mystery from the relationship immediately.
Yeah, they don't want to get to know you for your personality.
And again, most men don't.
You could say that that's unfair, but it is what it is.
Well, men are visually driven 100%.
That's not admirable.
It's real.
And therefore, women have way more leverage in this than I think they realize.
Just say, no, I'm going to save myself for marriage.
You still want to be with me?
Yeah.
But most women don't feel empowered to say that.
They feel as if they have to go in.
Maybe I'm wrong, but there's a huge amount of regret with young Christians.
Well, they're scared of that answer, what you just asked.
I think so many women want to be loved and desired.
They're scared that the guy is going to say no.
Yeah, but they don't understand men will go along with that because men want what they can't have.
Yeah.
Because right now, what they can have is cheap sex and free sex.
And for the one godly woman that says, nope, got to wait till marriage, all of a sudden that becomes incredibly, infinitely attractive.
Attractive.
Yeah.
Because it's the one thing that they can't.
Ideally, find a guy that already wants that and is not going to ask.
Yeah, but that's not real.
I mean, most men are not that way.
Most men aren't, but it only takes one.
Obviously, I married one.
You are respectful in that way.
100%.
No, I'm just saying, just realistically.
Yeah.
Either way, the pool of Christian men is not exactly elevated.
We have our men's summit and we're very intense with them, right?
Which is good.
You know, let's just say it's different than our women's summit.
It's out in the woods and all that.
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All right.
So plug your stuff, Allie.
How can people call you?
Relatable is my podcast.
It's Monday through Thursday.
You can find it wherever you listen to your podcast.
It's distributed by Blaze TV.
I'm on Instagram, Twitter, all that good stuff.
I got a new book coming out next year.
It's about empathy, the dangers of empathy, which we talked about today.
I have a whole crazy take on empathy, which is it's not in the Bible.
So, I think it's a 1920s new age term.
Yeah, well, you'll have to read my book and see, Charlie.
All right.
We can have you on and talk empathy.
I think it's arguing over linguistics in some ways, but I think it's important.
So, thank you for being here, Allie.
Everyone, check out her podcast, and we appreciate it.
Thanks so much.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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