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May 17, 2023 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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Rigged Revisited with Mollie Hemingway and Joseph Fried
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Proving The 2020 Election Was Rigged 00:09:32
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Welcome back, everybody.
The great Molly Hemingway is with us.
Molly, thank you for making time.
Molly, I was watching the CNN Town Hall and Caitlin Collins, who thinks she's really smart, she was, oh, you know, Mr. President, the election wasn't rigged.
And I thought President Trump's answer was fair.
I give him a C.
It wasn't awful.
But I screamed at my TV, Molly, two words.
Molly Hemingway.
I said, Mr. President's got to sit down for two hours and just digest and download, upload really, all the information you have in your book because he would have had a much better answer, in my opinion.
Again, it wasn't terrible.
But, you know, Molly, from the way you detail it in your book, Rigged, we talk about how the 2020 election was in fact rigged.
So Molly, let's go through a refresher because it's important, especially heading into this next cycle.
Walk us through what we know, how the 2020 election was in fact rigged.
In fact, more evidence coming up by the day to just confirm that.
Well, first, I just want to put a little note on what you said about Caitlin Collins.
I screamed when she said, you're not allowed to say the words rigged to refer to the election because this is like a preposterous idea.
First of all, preposterous.
After years of Democrats claiming that Donald Trump stole the 2016 election by colluding with Russia and being a traitor, now you're not allowed to notice what happened in 2020.
And the idea they're not allowed to use the word rigged.
Like it's one thing if you want to say you're not allowed to say it's stolen, which I also think is kind of a, it's kind of a weird thing we say.
But to not be able to say rigged, what would you describe this election as otherwise?
I mean, in 2020, in part thanks to the COVID hysteria, we saw hundreds of laws and processes changed, sometimes legally, sometimes not legally, to allow tens of millions of mailing ballots to flood into the system with lower scrutiny of whether they were even legit or not.
We saw the corporate media inventing completely fantastical stories.
I'm not even talking about the Russia collusion hoax, which was major, but they also did that Ayn Marn story where they falsely claimed that Donald Trump had, contrary to everything we've ever seen him do, mocked the dead American soldiers at the Ayn Marne Cemetery in France that was debunked by like 20 people on the record, yet was something that got mentioned in debates and in ads, stories like that or anonymous or whatever.
So the media made up stories.
They hid any good news for the Trump administration.
Corporate media engaged in widespread censorship of news and information.
And the Hunter Biden laptop is just one example of that.
And I just want to point out, Americans say that if you're in a different country subjected to a propaganda press, you can't have free and fair elections.
And that's what we have now.
We have a propaganda press.
So there's the media, big tech, the changes to the laws and processes that have governed our elections for decades.
And then there's also that little thing that Mark Zuckerberg spent $419 million to engage in the private takeover of government election offices in the blue areas of swing states to control the outcome in states that really, you know, that were really marginal.
What are you supposed to call that if not a rigging of the election to determine the outcome?
And it's what Time magazine called a fortification of the election.
That's a very questionable word.
But you're allowed to- Molly Ball wrote the whole thing.
The secret shadow campaign that saved the 2020 election.
They changed the title, by the way, on the SEO.
That's a fact.
But the original title was the shadow campaign that saved the 2020 election.
I think they changed it to the secret.
The point is that they bragged about it.
And so, Molly, I think that President Trump's going to be confronted with this time and time again with adversarial media.
I want him to give the best possible answer because the way that you just articulated is very rational.
It's all right there.
And by the way, Molly, we're barely even touching the surface on the social media collusion and the 51 intelligency officials and yes, the Zuckerberger and the Center for Technology and Civic Life and the relaxed signature verification standards and the unconstitutional administration of the election in Pennsylvania.
Now, Donald Trump also said something equally as interesting, though, Molly, that I have not heard him say in the town hall.
He said, but we're getting so close to 2024, maybe it's time to just look towards that.
So then that's my next question, Molly, which is, how do you think they're going to try to rig 2024?
It's a very important question to ask and to think about, because one of the things that you can see in how elections have been run going back decades is that the left has really engaged in a well-designed concerted effort to control elections.
And so they're not going to do things exactly the way they did in 2020.
For one reason, some of the changes they made were temporary based on COVID hysteria.
And so therefore they expired.
But it's also true that a lot of what they did just gave them good ideas about how to extend things.
So if they ran this kind of private takeover of government election offices in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, they frequently did it in just a few areas.
We have seen that those groups that did this have become even better funded by other billionaires and other high dollar interests to extend the operation into bigger parts of the states.
They have figured out how to get Zuckerberg type funding to be given in kind as opposed to as direct grants to get around some of the restrictions that have been placed on them.
And then the censorship has actually gotten more advanced, more developed.
Facebook is arguably even worse now than it was in the 2020 election, and it was devastating then.
So I think this is mostly about an extension of what they did and a perfection of it.
Yeah, so I mean, you're right.
It's a guessing game, but let's go through one thing that we don't think they'll be able to do.
I mean, Twitter seems to be largely liberated, and I don't think there's going to be a lot of, I don't think there's going to be an audience for federal government collusion there.
So, I mean, and then, so let me ask you, Molly, do you feel as if any progress at all was made in Georgia, Arizona, or Wisconsin?
I think Wisconsin was probably the best of the three, to verify the signature, the signature issues, to fix some of these, or did you see very little of any tangible progress that will kind of reset the table for another 2020, this time in 2024?
Okay, so I do think people need to know that there is good news on this front.
Namely, the Republicans were actually completely banned from doing any election day oversight until like 2018, which meant for 40 years, they were banned by court order from doing election day oversight while Democrats were just running wild with it.
So there is a huge amount of ground that Republicans have had to make up.
They actually began before the 2020 election.
It obviously wasn't enough.
They have continued to do a lot of work.
Even just last week, it was announced that the RNC has made permanent its election day oversight activities as opposed to how they had been doing it where they would just, you know, bring things up like a month before election as if that was sufficient to counter all of this.
So also Wisconsin had some good court court decisions.
Arizona is pretty bad, actually.
Georgia made some modest improvements.
Other states have made some improvements.
It's more important than anything, though, is that Republican voters and conservative voters figured out that they actually needed to care about Election Day and how elections are administered.
And this is a huge, important thing that needs to be handled at the local level.
Boosting Performance With NAD Levels 00:03:02
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Exposing The Russia Collusion Hoax 00:04:39
And so, Molly, let's just get your initial reaction on the Durham thing.
I know you've been covering it and you've seen all the chatter here.
I've lost faith in the American justice system.
Is that a fair attitude to have?
And if is there any path forward towards restoration?
Well, there has to be a path forward, although it's a very difficult one.
You are not wrong to have lost faith in our largest law enforcement agency, the FBI.
They have done so much damage to the country by how they handled this investigation.
The Durham Report, I think some people are disappointed that there aren't more prosecutions or that there weren't more convictions.
I think that is a shame, but it really is worth it to have a fair and accurate summary of just how bad the attack on the country was of the Russia collusion hoax, to have the names of the people involved.
And I do think it's important that we remember every single person who engaged in this dangerous hoax operation to undermine the 2016 election and the results of that.
That these people need to be remembered so that we don't pay attention to anything that they say in the future, that they be shunned.
Obviously, they should be held to greater account, but that does not appear to be happening at this moment.
But what they did was very serious, very dangerous, very damaging, and they need to be held accountable in whatever ways that we can, including mocking and deriding anybody that continues to employ them or whatever they're doing.
So it's a big deal, and people should read through the Durham Report.
I'm about halfway through now, and it's just shocking to see how much aid they gave to the Clinton campaign when it was credibly accused of being the target of a foreign information operation, which is some of what's revealed in this report, and how much they attacked the Trump campaign and administration because they hated it.
Andrew McCabe, who should be in jail, has something to say about this.
Play cut 34.
We knew from the very beginning this was never a legitimate investigation.
This was a political errand to exact some sort of retribution on Donald Trump's perceived enemies in the FBI.
That's what Mr. Durham has done.
And I stand by the investigative decisions that we made to open the investigation first on the Trump campaign and the possibility that the Russians are trying to influence it, and then later on Donald Trump himself.
Now, Molly, when he first started, I thought he was talking about Crossfire Hurricane.
I mean, I was reading this in my cut sheet.
We knew from the beginning this is never a legitimate investigation.
You're talking about Crossfire Hurricane?
Or he's talking about John Durham?
So he's attacking Durham.
Andrew McCabe shouldn't have a pension.
He should be rotten in jail.
He's an evil person.
He's a sneaky guy.
And same with Comey and all of this.
But Molly, I think there is a, I'm really concerned about this.
I think that the Durham report and the lack of convictions is going to suppress conservative turnout, enthusiasm.
There is widespread attitudinal cynicism right now setting in on the right that these people get away with everything.
There's no justice.
And it's hard to keep on telling people, hey, just keep showing up, keep voting.
And they're like, what's the point?
Molly, how do we navigate that?
Okay, if I can just first say, Andrew McCabe is utterly destroyed in the Durham Report.
Specifics are given of how he ran interference for his buddies on the Clinton campaign, how he lied or misled people regarding information that should have derailed Crossfire Hurricane.
He has every reason to disparage the Durham report because he really is one of the highlights or lowlights of just how corrupt the FBI has become.
Anderson Cooper should be ashamed to have him on his program.
CNN should be mocked and derided for employing these people who did the Russia collusion hoax.
Now, I do think you have a good point that people should not be expected to keep coming out and voting when nothing happens.
I think a lot depends on what Republicans in the House do and what Republicans in the Senate do.
They will reward good behavior from these representatives and senators, and they will not show up if these people don't do what is necessary.
It is worth remembering that much of what we know about the Russia collusion hoax was thanks to the bravery of a few Republican members of the House, beginning with Devin Nunes when he was in Congress, and that the Weaponization Committee has done a good job of continuing to unveil some of the corruption at the FBI.
And so it remains to be seen whether they have earned Republican votes for sure in a few years.
But I do think that they have.
Six Swing States Should Not Be Certified 00:15:03
We can't ignore the good work that has been done.
Molly Hemingway, author of Rigged, one of the most important books, you should buy 10 copies and send them to every one of your liberal relatives and say, I don't even want to talk about the 2020 election until you've read this book.
And again, President Trump, if you're listening, I'm going to call him and tell him the same thing.
You are not going to be able to avoid the questions on you calling 2020 rigged.
Use Molly Hemingway's book as your shield.
Keep on referencing it.
She has done a thorough and comprehensive job of proving what you knew to be true.
Molly, thank you so much for out of time.
Thank you.
Thank you.
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Fascinating guests here.
The book is called Debunked: An Auditor Reviews the 2020 Election and the Lessons Learned by Joseph Freed, CPA.
I can't wait to talk to him.
Mr. Freed, thank you for joining the program.
So you audited the 2020 election.
What did you find?
Okay, well, I didn't actually perform a complete audit because I wasn't allowed to, but I did apply audit standards the way we work at things.
And here's what I found: I found that six swing states should not have been certified.
And I backed that up with a lot of facts.
You'll find this book is in two parts.
First, there's an overview of everything.
And some of those issues are weak, some of those issues are strong, somewhere in between.
But when it comes to the middle part of the book, which are the Detailed analysis of the six swing states.
I end with that question: Was the certification premature?
And I didn't expect to, but I ended up answering yes, it was premature.
And then I put a whole list of a page or two of bullet points of why it was premature.
So I back up what I say with the facts.
Yeah, so I want to just build up your credibility here, too.
So you're an auditor.
You're someone that looks at things from the outside to try to test their integrity.
You were hired as an auditor by Ernst Young.
In 1983, you formed your own firm, which you retired in 2022.
You've been a 40-year career and you performed and supervised countless audits and was the AICPA authorized peer reviewer for dozens of other audit firms.
You also published your first book back in the early 2000s about Social Security, and you were part of a very impressive group of people talking about this topic.
So you look at things very prudently, very soberly.
So take some time here and let's get into the details.
What in particular did you find from an auditor's perspective that was disturbing about the 2020 election results?
Well, first of all, the big answer is that we don't have real audits in American elections, and it's a shame.
Now, I'm not the first CPA to say that, but there is, we don't have the methodical, appropriate approach, which would be a risk assessment.
It would be a study of internal control.
And if we had done that, this audit would have been totally different because the risks in 2020 were totally different than they were five or 10 years earlier.
The risk became the mail-in ballots, as Trump correctly identified.
Those were very risky, but the problems took place before they even reached the election office.
And what the election people are doing is they're looking within their little realm of, well, did we do this?
Did we do this?
Well, the fraud already took place.
I hate to use the word fraud.
It's a legal term, but let's say the irregularities already took place before it even got there.
But I'll give you some specifics if we'd like.
I had to almost rush through this.
They're so overwhelming.
Arizona.
There was a wonderful test performed by Dr. Shiva Ayaduri.
He is a very smart man who has at least three degrees from MIT.
And he was asked by the Arizona Senate to construct a state-of-the-art signature test.
And he did.
And he reported, I think, in January of 2022, his results.
And here's what he did.
Just get a load of this.
He assembled a panel of six people, three of whom were document examiners, and he selected 499 signatures that were representative of the mail-in population of Maricopa County.
And he asked each of these six people, each one, go through the 499 and compare them to the registration signatures and tell me if they match.
Now, get a load of this.
Unanimously, unanimously, six to zero, not five to one, not four to two, but six to zero said 12% are not matches.
That's extraordinary.
And what that extends out to, because it's a representative sample, that means you should expect 204,000 phony ballots in an election decided by 10,400.
Now, believe it or not, I know how the opposition reacts to these things.
They say, oh, but Joe, we would have cured those ballots.
Yeah, they would have, just like they cured a lot of Katie Hobbs ballots when she was fighting Kerry Lake.
Yes, they would have cured them probably, but not in an honest way.
There's no way you can take, let's put it this way.
If that panel of six people was unanimously wrong 90% of the time, it means the 204,000 becomes 20,000, which is still twice Biden's winning margin.
That alone means that state election is a joke.
But that isn't the only thing in Arizona.
I have to go fast.
Get a little this one, Charlie.
You'll get a chuckle out of it.
That state was, Maricopa County was roughly even between Trump and Biden.
It was, I think, about 49% for Trump and 51% for Biden.
Guess what the overseas military ballots ended up being?
They were 95%.
Oh, yeah, 95% Biden.
Instead of 51%, all of a sudden he's 95%.
He's such a star with the military, and Trump is 5%.
And here's the kicker: there's no verification of this.
They're on typing paper and there's no chain of custody.
So nobody can prove anything.
Now, this is on video.
You can see it.
There's Paul Harris, I think it was the man who was hired to go through these with a group of people, a bunch of people.
They spent a few days going through these to be accurate.
And he personally said, I counted, it was 95% to five.
And he was angry.
And there's a link to that in my book.
But that's another one.
Now, here's one more for me.
Any one of these three disqualifies the election.
Here's the next one.
A wonderful outfit called Verity Vote.
They're centered in Pennsylvania.
And they did a wonderful, and I talked to them about it and went through some of their materials, review of chain of custody for Arizona.
How many ballots, Charlie, do you think did not have chain of custody where you couldn't show how they got there?
I'll tell you the answer: 740,000.
I'm not sure.
Yeah, 740,000 did not have it.
So how do you certify Arizona?
I didn't even give you all of them, but you want, I could, I'd like to jump to Georgia because that's a good one, too.
Yeah, talk about Georgia.
We have a couple minutes.
Tell us about Georgia.
Okay, real quick.
First of all, ridiculous rejection rate.
Now, the rejection rate dropped from 2016 to 2020.
It dropped to 118th.
So it was 18 times more ballots as a percentage were rejected in 2016 than they were in 20.
In other words, they were letting everything go through.
That's the statewide.
But here's the corker.
The Democratic stronghold of Fulton, which is 62% minority, and I bring that up only because Democrats claim minorities can't fill out paperwork, they were seven times more accurate.
In other words, only one seventh as many of their ballots got rejected as the state.
It dropped from 2016 state rate to the 2020 to one 128th, one divided by 128.
That's, of course, the whole election right there.
If we have more time, I'll jump into another one in Georgia.
Not sure you have the time.
Yeah, please continue.
We have two minutes.
Please continue.
Okay, great.
There's a wonderful man named Garland Favarito, an elderly gentleman.
He's knowledgeable about cyber issues, and he works with voter GA.
Now, this one will blow your mind.
And it's on video.
You can hear his presentation, a lengthy presentation.
He has been trying to get his hands on 147,000 mail-in ballots.
for Fulton County since the election ended.
And they have, you know, Rastersberger has been fighting him all the way, preventing him from getting them.
But he did get some low resolution ballots.
And that was their undoing.
4,000 of those low resolution ballots, it takes about a second to scan them.
They're all identical timestamps.
How do you scan?
It should have taken more than an hour to scan 4,000 ballots, but they all have identical timestamps.
Now, here's the next one.
In Georgia, under Georgia law, you have to have an image file, but you also have to have simultaneously an authentication file to make sure that that image isn't just made in somebody's basement.
Well, how does this happen?
Those are made simultaneously.
16,000 had SHA files.
That's the authentication file that came days after the TIFF file, which is the image file.
How does that happen?
It's impossible.
Then there's another 132,000 that have no SHA file at all.
Those could have been made in somebody's basement.
They're meaningless.
And then, let's see, there's 17,700 that were from a recount and there's no image at all.
And I have a theory on what happened here.
I think they started to think, oh, well, Garland Favarito is forcing us to turn over the stuff.
We'll just make these images now, even though the election's been over for a long time.
And then they said, uh-oh, they can see that there's these codes and these things.
We didn't even know those existed.
So I think for the recount, they just stopped making images altogether.
They just said, well, just put the paper.
Any dummy can put paper in a cardboard box and say, here it is.
But they didn't know how to backdate the SHA files.
So that is Georgia.
And I'm ready to go on.
I've got all, I mean, they're all just like that.
So, Joseph, let's go to 2024.
Where do you think we are most vulnerable for unsecure elections going into 2024?
Well, let me answer that in two ways.
It depends who's in charge.
If the good guys are in charge, there's a one, it's easy.
If the bad guys are in charge, it's really tough and almost depressing at times.
I was on another show, a radio show a while ago, and I think I ended up by depressing everybody because I was talking about Nevada and Michigan.
Those are two states that they bootstrap the COVID to take control and then to change the laws permanently.
And it's going to be rough.
So I'll tell you what, I'll take the harder job on first.
What do you do when the bad guys have control?
That is a tough one.
Well, one thing you can do is you've got to, in most states, fortunately, harvesting is still technically illegal.
Sometimes a felony, sometimes it's a misdemeanor.
But those rules go back to the good old days when people had integrity and they haven't been able to change them.
So now that's not true in Nevada.
Nevada even made harvesting unlimited.
I mean, you could put a ski mask on.
You don't have to have identity.
You could be anonymous.
You can be paid.
You can scoop up 500 ballots, which are floating everywhere in Nevada and take them in.
And that's not a crime.
But in most states, it is a crime.
So what I would do is have some public announcements for months.
I would be warning people: this is illegal.
You should not hand your ballot over to anybody.
And you can do this.
Now, I predict that some guys will still try to say you're intimidating voters.
I don't see how, but by telling them not to hand their ballots over to anybody.
They should always personally put them in.
Protecting Your Ballot From Theft 00:03:21
Here's another thing I would do, and there's going to be pushback on it.
I would offer big, big cash awards for any information about harvest, illegal harvesting, like a $10,000 award.
If you give us a tip that leads to a conviction of harvesting, because remember, a lot of these harvesting things involve a few people, and they're going to do a rat on each other, I think, if there's big money involved.
So you've got a bunch of guys, they're going to spill the beans because of the reward.
So those are two things you could do.
Now, you need observers everywhere you can, but they got to have really thick skin.
If you were, you'll see some of this in my book.
It was brutal.
I mean, in some of those places, Wayne County, in Philadelphia, in Fulton County, the poor observers were brutalized.
And so you need a lot of them.
The Republicans were kicked out.
Often, the whole room would erupt in cheers, including the workers would cheer when they were kicked out.
And it ended up being like 200 Democrats to five Republicans.
You got to have a lot of them.
They have to have tough skin.
Yeah, it's sad.
And then you better have a whole lot of lawyers if you can get them to help them.
It would be nice if you could videotape the proceedings, but usually you'll be blocked.
You know, it varies from state and county, but it would be nice to have some evidence.
Same thing with the drop boxes.
If they have drop boxes, you need monitors constantly.
Now, they'll probably block them from videotaping.
However, if you have constant monitors and they keep a tally, let's say that at 8 a.m. they emptied the box one day and the next day at 8 a.m. they emptied it again.
If you can show in that 24-hour period that only, let's say, 92 people visited that box, but for some reason there's 500 ballots in there, you've got some evidence.
If the local DA will take it seriously, and that leads to another thing.
We all know about Florida having its election police.
That's great.
But you can't almost get that, right?
But one thing people overlook, and I used to overlook, don't forget the county sheriff.
He's got tremendous power.
And some of these sheriffs are really sick of what they're seeing.
They've started to organize.
They're sick of seeing crimes in the city, which is within their county, not be prosecuted by the DA.
So sometimes if you can't get relief with the DA, go to the sheriff.
Got to run.
Thank you.
This is wonderful.
I would love to have you back on.
And we're out of time.
The book is debunked.
Joseph Freed, an auditor reviews the 2020 election and lessons learned.
Thank you so much.
Thank you, Charlie.
Take care.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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