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April 13, 2023 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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A Modern Day Screwtape Letters with Steve Deace
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Sophisticated Christian Storytelling 00:12:37
Hey, everybody, today in the Charlie Kirk show.
Steve Dace about his new movie, Nefarious.
Is there a devil?
Oh, yeah.
And he talks about a very powerful new film.
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Welcome back, everybody.
I encourage all of you to check out Nefarious, the new movie out.
It's very powerful.
Steve Dace is the mastermind behind it.
And I believe he has been spiritually under attack the last couple of days.
Steve, first, how is your health?
Well, Charlie, I'm sitting here talking to you with a hole on the left side of my chest where bacteria is still draining.
But other than that, man, I'm great.
How are you?
Well, I'm glad you have a good spirit about it.
And what exactly happened?
Well, we made a hella movie that exposes the enemy and pissed him off.
That's really what happened.
And then I played into it with some stupid fake macho stuff.
You know, the old, I ain't got time to bleed.
I'll worry about this later.
I got back from our red carpet premiere in Dallas last week and I started having some swelling on the left side of my upper body.
And I thought, you know, I said it'll go away.
I got too much to do for the movie promotion.
I'll worry about it later.
Sunday, the pain just got to be really bad.
Monday morning, I woke up and it was searing, excruciating.
And they gave me an antibiotic shot at the urgent care.
That didn't really help.
By Monday night, I was out of it, running fevers, disoriented, trembling.
Wife rushed me to the ER, and they literally had to carve this bacteria out of my left upper torso.
And if I'd not listened to her and gone to the ER, if this had gone on another 12 hours, you and I might be having a much different conversation right now.
Or I might, you know, still be coming out of surgery and recovering and not able to talk to you.
So luckily, we got in when we did.
So let's talk about the movie.
Why would the enemy be so bothered about your movie?
If we had made a cheesy film, I think if we had failed in our mission to show that Christians can make sophisticated, gritty material that doesn't have to violate our values and honors our worldview, but relates to the level of storytelling that the average American is used to right now.
I think if we had failed in threading that very difficult needle, I think we'd all be doing great.
But we didn't.
Our creative team, starting with Carrie Solomon and Chuck Concelman, who wrote God's Not Dead and then wrote and directed Unplanned, they wrote and directed this film, inspired by my book, A Nefarious Plot.
They made my book better.
They elevated it.
Sean Patrick Flannery's performance as our demon nefarious is Nicholson in the shining level.
It's Anthony Hopkins-like.
In fact, he kind of looks like Anthony Hopkins.
Yes.
Yeah, I've heard that too.
And we kind of base this a little bit off of the exchanges between Hannibal and Clarice in Silence of the Lambs.
Very similar.
Very similar.
If Flannery was not great as the demon, then I think we'd all be okay.
But I think that we've created something here that I think our people have said for years they want our side to make movies like this.
It's just hard because can we realistically portray evil Charlie without offending our own people or glorifying it?
That's a tough line to walk.
I think we managed to do it and truly expose the enemy for who he is and not in a way that makes him humorous or anti-hero or appealing, but exposes him for the nihilist and the liar that he is.
And I think, you know, that's why it's been so hard for us to get screens.
That's why it's been hard on us physically.
Our two directors both got COVID pneumonia during Delta variant.
We had to shut down filming for several months.
They're both in their 60s.
Yeah, it was just, it's been a challenge to get to this date, but we're almost here to release.
And I don't think he can stop us now.
So let's set up the premise.
We had a whole hour on C.S. Lewis last week.
Screwtape Letters is a very, this is very similar.
Was that an inspiration?
Is it kind of a spinoff?
And so the basic premise of the film, and the trailer is excellent.
And I was admittedly, as soon as I saw the trailer, I was like, oh, wow, this is not like the left behind movies.
Wow.
This is not, meaning, I mean, it's just like most Christian films are awful.
I'm just, I'm going to be honest.
They're terrible, unwatchable.
The cinematography is just poor.
The writing is sloppy.
You know, it's just really terrible.
And, but what this, this film, you almost feel as if you're watching maybe Ozark or you're watching something with obviously using red cameras, you know, filmed 20, 30, 40, 50 times, really good writing, and with obviously a redemptive moral arc.
Set up the framing, right?
So what is this movie about?
So when you're trying to adapt a book, you know, my book, A Nefarious Plot, I wrote it as a sequel homage to the screw tape letters.
And so, you know, this in screw tape letters, Lewis talks about, as your audience knows, because you guys just discussed it, taking down of us as individuals, deceiving us as people.
And in a farious plot, the demon nefarious writes about how he took down an entire country called the United States.
And so like a screw tape letters, the book's a 200-page polemic of a demon ranting at you.
Hard to turn that into a movie, right?
You can't just have a demon looking into the camera and dunking on you for an hour and a half.
And so we needed a MacGuffin.
What's the device?
And so the story that we're going to tell in the movie is the origin of this demonic manuscript.
Where did it come from?
And by the time we get to the end of the movie, you'll know.
And the MacGuffin for this is there is a cultic serial killer on death row named Edward Wayne Brady because there's a law, I think, that all great serial killers need to have three names.
And so Edward Wayne Brady is on death row in Oklahoma.
He's exhausted 10 years of appeals.
And on the day of his execution, he has tried one more emergency stay on the grounds that he is demonically possessed and therefore unfit to commit these crimes.
The court is mandated by law to do a psychiatric eval.
They appoint an atheist psychiatrist because unless you hire Jordan Peterson, there's like no other kind.
And so he comes in, convinced this is all a scam and they're going to check the box and execute this guy tonight and move on.
It's a waste of time.
And he gets a lot more than he bargained for during his intimate individual encounter with this demon that causes him to reevaluate his entire worldview, find out that he's not as smart as he thought he was.
We made this movie to go to Nineveh.
We made this movie for you to take your unbelieving friends and family.
But not Sodom.
There's a difference.
There's a difference.
Yes.
Sodom is a forsaken place.
That's right.
Nineveh can repent.
That's what Jonah, Jonah did.
Yes.
Yes.
And so you can show them our trailer, show them our marketing.
It's going to look very slickly, highly produced.
We did that.
We didn't spare any expensive.
We are going to play the trailer in a sec, but keep going.
Yeah.
And you'll show them.
They're going to think, wow, that looks cool.
That looks dope.
It might even freak you out a little bit.
Just remember, though, it's marketing.
We get them in the theater, and I promise you, this film is going to say to them in about 94 minutes everything you've ever wanted to say to them about, do you understand the stuff you're advocating?
how crazy it is, where it's truly from, the line you want us to cross as a society.
And we won't come back from it if you do.
This is almost like the theatrical version of Scared Straight.
Okay.
So we take them.
We filmed it at an actual prison, a live prison, Granite State prison in Oklahoma, where the first movie to ever film in a live prison in the state.
And so this film will show them without any F-bombs, no nudity, not a drop of blood in the film, nothing that deserves its R rating.
Why did it get an R rating?
Usually you can negotiate with the, I mean, obviously not in this case, but usually you can plead your case.
Yes.
We could have appealed it.
It would have taken up to 90 days.
Oh, there you go.
Forbid us from release the film when we wanted, but they gave us an R rating because they saw what a successful evangelist is.
Of course, I'm debating.
They don't want your audience to go see it.
I'm debating whether or not the appeal would have been worth it because I know, I mean, and I'm glad because we're partnering with you.
We're talking a lot about it.
I'm glad you guys put in the copy that you guys gave us.
Parents still go see it, even though, because the R rating thing is just such a no-fly zone for so many Christian families, right?
I mean, I don't even go see some R movies anymore.
It's just like, okay, every other word's a swear word.
But what do they say for dramatic elements, rated R or something?
Is that what they're saying?
Yeah, there won't be a rationale for a rated R movie like that the rest of this year or maybe any other year.
Disturbing elements.
Oh, is that right?
I was completely making it up.
No, that is literally what they said.
Some disturbing elements.
Hold on.
Wait, hold on.
So the devil is disturbing.
Interesting.
Yes.
Hollywood.
I thought you guys worshiped Satan.
So I'm going to ask you a question after the break, Steve, that I'm not going to give you a heads up at.
I think it's a question that I don't know the answer to.
And I'm going to spring it on you.
I'm going to surprise you.
30 seconds and we're going to play the trailer out of the break.
How can people see this film?
Because I know there's some distribution complexities.
Yes.
Go to nefarious tickets.com right now.
You'll right away find out the closest showing.
We're in about a thousand theaters now around the country.
We have doubled our theaters in just the last three weeks because of the demand.
Nefarious Tickets.com is where you can go.
Showtime start this weekend.
Nefarious Tickets.com.
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I want to play the full trailer because it deserves it to nefarious.
Think you're watching something that Amazon, Prime or HULU produced.
It's very powerful.
They did a great job.
Play cut 72.
Hello, you should have accepted my offer, James.
Execution scheduled for 11 p.m.
He's trying to convince us he's gone insane and therefore incapable of being executed.
I need you to prove he's faking it.
Proving the Existence of Evil 00:06:16
Edward, i'm gonna ask you some questions.
I'm not Edward, i'm a demon.
Demons aren't really a thing.
What happened to?
We own him, we.
He's a master manipulator.
You have your head so twisted around you think you're the killer, not him, and give me something to make him believe you prove to me you're a demon.
Probably just a coincidence.
I want to talk to the real.
Edward makes me do that.
I can't stop him.
I need you to see something you got a fan did the same thing with all his victims.
I'm trying to Edward, but you have to answer my questions.
You have to tell me the truth.
It can go away.
It can go away.
Yes?
like you to do.
Steve Steve, that is uh, some powerful stuff.
We made that trailer.
Everything in that trailer is in the movie.
It's just not necessarily presented in the movie the way you see it in the trailer.
We made this movie very subversively.
We marketed this movie very subversively.
Uh, for 75 plus years, Charlie Hollywood has lured us in half of our brain, knowing this is an infestation.
We should not let it into our psyche.
The other half though, is entertained, wants to see where the story goes, what happens to the characters.
You know, Jesus said the children of men are more shrewd than the children of light, so we're gonna learn from them.
Here we're flipping the script, we turn the tables.
We now made a film that looks and sounds compelling to them to draw them in, but it's really uh, it's really uh, an advertisement for Our worldview.
It just does it in more subtle ways than I think Christians have done in the past, which is why we have not always been successful at doing films.
So, Steve, let me ask you, two minutes remaining, which is a bigger threat to America or the equal threats, people that worship the devil or people who do not believe the devil exists.
The latter for sure.
The latter for sure.
We're typically pretty good historically in the West against the open and honest adversary.
Subtlety or the things that hide in the shadows or the phantom menaces are the things that the angels of light.
We know to run from a wolf, Charlie.
It's the wolf in sheep's clothing that is the problem.
All right.
And that's, we're surrounded by them.
As Augustine said, many, there are many sheep without, many wolves within.
And, you know, that's the biggest issue we have right now, the comfort and cowardice within the Western population right now that won't either recognize or stand up and oppose the honestly and open demonic.
If you can get people to acknowledge that there is a devil, then there might be an inverse, a God, a creator.
Is that one of the things you're attempting to do with this film?
Yes.
They've heard from all the Hawaiian shirted guys, Charlie.
They've heard from all the sweater-vested guys, everybody in khaki pants, the nice guys with their giant auditoriums and their slamming praise teams.
For the last 30-plus years, they've just rejected all that and turned away from it.
They don't care.
So now it's time for a little old-time religion.
It is time to grab this culture by the proverbial throat and give it a little tough love.
It's gotten a softer cell for a generation.
It has rejected it.
A new generation.
31 horror films, Charlie, were released by Hollywood last year.
31.
That's how attracted to the darkness this culture is.
So if that's where Nineveh is, we have to go to Nineveh.
As the great prophet Sam Kinnison once said, we move where the food is.
31 horror films.
None of them have a redemptive arc.
This one does.
It's a nefarious movie.
We're going to talk about that more after the break.
Steve Dace is with us.
I encourage you all to check it out.
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How can people learn more about the film and support it?
And is it going to be in theaters, Steve?
We're going to be in about a thousand theaters to open this weekend, despite the fact there are six movies opening this weekend on top of all the other films that are out there.
But the theaters have seen so much activity, demand for the movie, so many pre-sale tickets sold that we're still going to be in close to a thousand theaters.
You can find out which theater near you and get tickets at nefarious tickets.com.
That's nefarious tickets.com.
Religious Zeal and Suffering 00:15:17
Okay, so let's talk.
There's a lot going on right now.
The trans thing is definitely one of the biggest issues facing America.
Most pastors are too cowardly and too weak to engage in this issue.
My team tells me you have an opinion on the Dylan Mulvaney stuff, and we can go from there.
What is your take?
And I'd love to hear it.
I think that we are beyond virtue signals.
I think that we're beyond now the obnoxious pandering every June during quote-unquote pride month.
That's coming up.
It's just, I'm sorry to interrupt.
You got Juneteenth, and you got, I mean, really, we don't have enough.
All right.
June has essentially become Pander Month in America.
I think this is religious zeal.
I don't think Budweiser didn't vet the marketing coordinator that they brought in.
I think that this is a recognition of ecclesiastical authority.
It's just a different religion.
Dylan Mulvaney showed up at the White House.
Dylan Mulvaney is anointed.
He's a prophet.
He's a priest or an apostle.
And we don't recognize it in Christianity anymore because we don't really respect God's authority, let alone ecclesiastical or scriptural authority.
We're kind of just, you know, reducing God down to a buddy and what makes us feel good.
So we don't really recognize this sort of commitment, conviction, and zeal any longer in our Pleasant Valley Sunday experience.
But that's what it looks like.
This is just a demonic variation of it.
All these companies didn't just, I think, get immediately and simultaneously dumb.
I think that the memo went out.
This is our anointed.
This is our prophet, our priest, our apostle, Dylan Mulvaney recognized, and they did.
And they genucked it accordingly.
And the money they've lost, the billions they've lost, those are sacrifices that you make, whether it's in the Valley of Ben Hidden to Molech or whether it's to the spirit of the age of woke corporatism.
But you do this to show that you are one of the special.
You're in the group.
This is how cults behave.
And so that's exactly what you're watching.
Let me ask you then.
So, Steve, is it fair to say then that that ideology is more important than what Christ also warned us about, which is the love of money?
That's what's interesting, isn't it?
Because it's not actually in their best profit material interest to do this.
So help me make sense of that.
The love of money is a basic carnal instinct.
Yes.
That's a basic form of human manifestation of human sin, a basic form.
Let me give it to you.
Let me give you another example if you don't mind.
Okay.
And so I've got three kids.
The youngest is 16.
And when I was growing up, our parents were scared to death that we were going to be fornicating.
All right.
Things have gotten so warped and depraved now that when you catch your teenager fornicating now, Charlie, you're almost relieved.
Okay, they're not gay.
They're not trans.
That's a basic sin.
I can deal with that.
Basic sinfulness.
We wrestle with that in our generation.
Teenage hormones, we can handle that.
Okay.
That's what the love of the craven love of mammon is, a basic level of carnality.
What I'm talking about is you're given over to a different form of worship now.
You're not a sinner.
You're not a skeptic.
You're in unbelief territory.
Your heart has been hardened to truth.
You no longer can be shamed by your morality.
You have embraced a whole new religious rubric and metric now.
You're giving sacrifices to another God.
And since there aren't any other gods, we're really talking about darkness and demonics here.
That's what I think we are dealing with.
I think we started off with pandering, and that's what Pride Month and Rainbow Oreos and Rainbow Twizzlers and everything else became.
We're now, though, moving on into we must now genuine and recognize the true authority.
Well, two thoughts.
I think that there's going to be kind of a rebellious attitude this June towards the gay pride flags.
I mean, like, I just think people are really going to be having enough of it.
It will be interesting to see.
And obviously, I have to say this every time: stay peaceful.
Don't do it.
I mean, honestly, like, I could just see somebody just being like, screw you.
Like, I'm not going to go into your coffee shop because you have the trans flag.
Like, I'm not going to do that.
Okay.
I'm going to move on to somewhere else.
And so that's number one.
Number two, it's interesting you say that, Steve.
There was, I was struck once by a private conversation recently, the last six months, of a Christian parent that came up and they said, Charlie, there is an issue, but I'm actually really relieved.
You know, my, I happened to stumble upon my 19-year-old watching pornography, but at least it wasn't gay pornography.
So I was really relieved.
I was like, okay, you have a very serious problem here.
And the fact that that's a moment of relief, is that similar to what you were saying?
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah.
This is where we go beyond the base sin in its natural form is a warp is a warping of the desires that God puts instilled in us, right?
Separated from his will, the desire for the other sex, the desire for sexual pleasure, the desire to perpetuate the species.
Separated from his will, we use that to sin.
The desire for achievement, the desire for significance, the desire to provide and protect for my family, separated from him and his will, that can become green and materialism, right?
Those are basic manifestations of human sin.
What I'm talking about now is when you take the next step now, and you are embracing a whole different ethical system, a whole different morality, because you are worshiping a different God, a different value system, meaning that you're not in conflict with God's will any longer.
You've rejected it.
And that's it.
So I have a working hypothesis, a speech I'm giving across the country, Steve.
It's nothing, there's other people that have written it.
So it's just a variation on other good ideas.
But there's about five fake religions.
What you're arguing is that we're returning to kind of the pagan river civilization.
Yes.
That the actual five books of Moses were written as a refutation of, right?
Which is this idea of monotheism, one God, the wholeness of God, that polytheism and paganism is actually the norm.
The Aztecs, the Incans, the Mayans, the Chinese, right?
The Far Eastern religions, the Mesopotamians, the Egyptians.
It's almost as if I hate to say it's natural, but monotheism is not natural.
That's what we're learning, actually.
Right.
Correct.
We are in a post-Christian West now, post-Christian.
So, what will the post-Christian West look like?
What the pre-Christian West look like?
Pagan.
It'll be pagan in origin.
And so, what today's progressives really are, they're regressives.
Their desire really is to take us not forward in time, but back in time to a pre-biblical, pre-Pentateuch, pre-canon, pre-Judeo-Christian understanding of the world, before God raises Moses up to call a nation to himself apart from the rest of the world, before God sends his son for a new covenant now to bring all the nations to him, separate from the rest of the world.
What was the world like it was like this?
No, that's right.
The world and the 10 plagues, each one of them was a middle finger to a fake repudiation of the Egyptian religions.
Yeah, there was a fake God, the fake God of Ra, the sun god, you know, the fake worshiping of the Nile when the Nile turned blood red.
And so, so, Steve, this is a fascinating conversation I don't think most Christians grasp.
Some will say that we're in a spiritual war, but do they not quite recognize that it's the return of the old gods?
Now, let me be very clear: we mean small G, not big G God.
I was watching the Daily Wire with Jordan Peterson and Dennis Prager, and they spent they wasted 10 minutes, in my opinion, debating whether or not we think they're gods.
We don't think they're gods, we think that they are not omniscient, they're not omnipresent, they did not create the world, but we think people treat them as gods.
Therefore, we use that vocabulary.
Explain that a little bit and then talk about what are these things.
And I think they're almost being pseudo-resurrected now into the West, earth worship, religion of anti-racism, the religion of tolerance.
This is nothing new.
It is reconfigured, repurposed old river civilization beliefs that are now considered to be breakthroughs of modernity.
That's a great point.
You know, Solomon writes, there is nothing new under the sun.
Steve Dace will add only new people under the sun who haven't seen it yet.
Okay.
The devil has a catalog, and it's not an extensive, it's not an extensive album list.
He's not the Rolling Stones.
It's really just a greatest hits list like the Eagles.
It's the same 10 or 12 songs.
Everybody knows the words.
No matter how old you are in this audience, you know the words to Hotel California, man.
Everybody knows the words.
Okay.
He just re-racks the same songs over and over again.
One of the things that I point out in a nefarious plot is that all the things that was done to America is what they've done to other civilizations.
They just had to do it differently to America because America was structured different than other civilizations.
Instead of a government that declared it was God or had the right to rule you from God, America said our rights come from God and therefore government has to honor that same God.
So they had to structure how they deceive and tempt differently, but it was all the same monikers they have used in the past because all these are things that appeal to our own vanity, to our own desires, to our own sins.
James says you're not tempted by anything except that which you actually want.
I'm not tempted by drugs.
I'm not interested in that.
I'm not tempted by becoming an alcoholic.
What tempts me?
I love women.
I've got to be careful with that.
That's what I'm tempted by, you know?
And so we're only tempted by the things that we actually want.
And that's what these things do.
They appeal to us.
Because here's the thing that Nefarious reveals in both the movie and in the book.
Hell's desire, Satan's desire to say, I am like God.
I will be like the most high is rivaled only by our own.
That's really the great contest between us and the enemy is in our sinful state, who is the most vain.
And when people say, well, you know, I get to pick and choose which part of a religion I want to worship and which part I don't, which part I want to obey and which part I don't, which part of the Bible I think is still true and which part is not.
You are anointing yourself into Godhood.
That is the language of the enemy.
And when we start doing that, now we move from the pagan, Charlie, to the satanic.
Now we're not just warping heavenly things into godlike status.
We are now elevating ourself into that status.
I think we can agree the pagan is a sister or a cousin of the satanic, of the Luciferian.
And it's an interesting question.
I think the film is brilliant because it takes an atheist.
Like, okay, you're an atheist.
You might not believe in God, but do you believe in Satan?
Of course I don't.
Okay.
That's the premise of the film, right?
When confronted, we are living in spiritual darkness in many ways.
Paul called Satan the prince of this world, the God of this world.
Jesus called him the prince of this world.
As C.S. Lewis said, we are in enemy-occupied territory.
And we need to launch a sabotage campaign, C.S. Lewis said, against the enemy's occupation.
Steve, so many different topics that we can cover.
Any additional thoughts on this genre that we're discussing here?
I think we have to be more comfortable openly analyzing stories supernaturally.
I think we're dealing in areas where there is no obvious logical reason.
There's a logical reason people would create Medicare.
You and I might think it's the best way to help the elderly.
You and I might not think it's a constitutional program that it's a logical impulse to want to do something like that for people.
Okay.
We're talking about things that are illogical.
Dylan Mulvaney is illogical.
It's not a different opinion of reality.
It's unreality.
Okay.
And so when we get into unreality, the undoing, I mean, as much of an atheist as Ayn Rand was, she created her own philosophy called objectivism because she recognized something has to be objectively true.
Otherwise, what's the point?
Okay.
We're undoing those things that we used to call natural law or common sense.
That level of nihilistic unraveling doesn't come from us.
We are totally depraved as sinners, but we're not utterly depraved.
That comes from darkness.
And I think we need to be more open and express.
No, I mean, Ayn Rand wouldn't put up with this stuff.
I mean, Ayn Rand had a lot of problems in her hatred of religion was one of them, but she did believe A is A.
I mean, she was an Aristotelian.
She believed in a natural law, a harmony.
She believed everything came back to our senses.
And she, I mean, there was a lot wrong with her philosophy, but she wouldn't have put up with this Dylan thing.
She would have been like, no, no, no, no.
You don't get to determine what is real.
A does not become B because of a mental delusion.
Correct.
If you want to know what Ayn Rand would say about a lot of this stuff today, go read Camille Paglia.
That's probably what Ayn Rand would say about a lot of this stuff.
Yeah, that's right.
That's correct.
And so then it becomes the question of: can we build a coalition big enough and courageous enough to push back against it?
And I think the American people are largely with us.
I think many of them are scared and terrified.
The alphabet mafia is a cartel.
They will ruin your life.
They'll send you death threats.
That's what they do to you.
They do to me all the time.
They'll try to intimidate and harass you.
They'll go after you like they do Riley Games.
They'll try Riley Gaines.
They'll try to kidnap you and they'll try to do all sorts of different things.
How do we best beat them?
Two minutes remaining, Steve.
We have to get comfortable with being uncomfortable.
Right now, the people are with us, but the people want to largely be left alone.
I can promise you, I just want to be left alone, or it's not my place to say something.
It's not going to happen anytime soon.
Booses in every history book that's ever been written won't win.
Okay.
And, you know, I think we have got to get more comfortable being uncomfortable.
We are going to speak up now.
No, Anne Petunia is not going to hijack next Thanksgiving with the latest lower third from MSNBC that she largely doesn't even can't even pronounce.
No, we're going to push back.
Now, as Christians, we're going to do so in a way that doesn't destroy our witness, but we're not going to be pushovers either.
We are going to push back.
We are going to resist.
I love what Robert F. Kennedy Jr. said recently at Hillsdale College.
You've never complied your way out of totalitarianism.
The path forward is resistance.
And that is what Christians have done.
Civil disobedience, we brought it to this world.
We did not say Kaiser curious.
We said only Christos curious.
Only Jesus is Lord.
And we were willing to suffer for that.
And our church survived.
And those who made us suffer did not.
That is the path forward, being willing on some level to risk some form of alienation or suffering for what you believe.
Right now, in mass, we're not.
And that's why we're losing.
Most Christians I talk to, Steve, are unwilling or completely afraid to acknowledge the threat the trans cartel poises.
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They're like, oh, they're just, they mean well.
No, they don't.
They don't mean well.
Okay.
This is not a well, even if they meant well, it's irrelevant.
The intentions, are they doing damage?
Yes, they are.
That's what matters.
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