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April 7, 2023 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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The Republican National Clown Committee with Robby Starbuck and Kash Patel
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Fixing The Conservative Party 00:12:44
Hey everybody, Tan the Charlie Kirk Show.
Kash Patel reacts to all the Trump arraignment and indictment news.
Then Robbie Starbuck makes a case as why you should not give money to the RNC.
We talk about how the conservative media space is actually in a healthier spot.
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Cash President Trump has been indicted and arraigned.
Thoughts, initial thoughts on indictment?
Would you as a prosecutor ever file an indictment like this?
No, it's great to be with you, Charlie.
Of course not.
Me as a prosecutor, me as a public defender are horrified that the two-tier system of justice has descended to the state court level and Alvin Bragg's baseless prosecution.
Here's all you need to know.
You don't need to be a lawyer.
A charge under this indictment must meet the elements of the statute in the state of New York to pose a crime.
Alvin Bragg presented his charging document, the indictment, and he failed to outline the crime, the conspiracy that these ledger violations are needed to attach to to form a legal violation of the law.
So the man brings a charge in a charging document and fails to identify the charge.
How is that?
How is that possible?
Why is the judge not thrown it out already?
I mean, this is so insane.
So, you know, the grand jury system, you could basically, as they say, indict a ham sandwich.
And that state, that phraseology comes from the New York judicial system because it's so easy to convince 20 people to say maybe something wrong happened.
And remind you, those 20 people are in New York City.
They don't exactly love Donald Trump.
Now, the burden of proof is drastically different in trial court.
And the judge can't unilaterally dismiss this case.
Let's just say he were to follow the actual law.
Let's give him that benefit.
The motion needs to be filed from the defense counsel.
But I'm urging Donald Trump's defense counsel, for whoever's listening, don't file that motion to dismiss just yet.
Why?
It's pretty simple.
Alvin Bragg has spent his entire recent career trying to bleed Donald Trump dry for a false crime.
Now, just like we did in Russia Gate, bleed them dry during the discovery process.
Get all of the bogus evidence that Alvin Bragg has.
Put all of that evidence out to the world so we can see the baseless prosecution built on fraudulent evidence, corrupt witnesses, and the hiding of exculpatory evidence.
Then you expose the actual corruption behind the headline.
And then everyday Americans are going to see what Donald Trump's been saying.
Yes, they're targeting me, but you're next.
And when they see and see that and feel that, then the ride, the meteoric rise that Donald Trump has been on is going to explode.
So I would wait months before filing a motion to dismiss.
So do you think that as this proceeds, is there any chance if this goes to trial, Donald Trump is acquitted with a New York jury?
I think it definitely goes to trial because I don't think the judge is going to have the gumption to do what's legally necessary and throw the case out when the time is right to do so.
And a New York jury acquitting Donald Trump, I don't see the likelihood of that, but a Staten Island jury might, which is also in the district of New York, but that's when you get into change.
So, what is the likelihood of change of venue?
What is the process for a change in venue?
Well, let's say the likelihood for an acquittal with an impartial jury in New York City is 5%.
The likelihood of a change of venue is 7%.
So, very unlikely in both cases, which is why the appellate courts will have to resolve this legal issue.
And here's what should scare members of Congress more than anything: a federally elected official was charged by a state-level prosecutor for a baseless election fraud conspiracy case.
That means any district attorney in America can charge any elected member of Congress.
Where are the subpoenas from Congress calling this out?
Right, I agree.
But so, Cash, I just want to make sure I understand.
And you're saying the same thing as Dershowitz.
You believe Donald Trump will probably 90% chance be convicted then.
If it stays in New York City and it goes to a New York City jurisdiction, but you're saying there's a 93% chance it stays in New York City.
So, just playing the odds here, let's play this out.
Do you think it could be overturned on appeal?
I think it's most definitely overturned on appeal because, as crazy and wonky as New York City is, it's going to go up to the New York state appellate court system.
And then it's ultimately going to go to the federal court system.
This case is going to go on for years in appellate land because the courts do not want prosecutors to create law.
That is the job of state legislatures.
And once you get this in the hands of a decent crew of judges, which exists at the New York appellate level, they will be like, wait a second, the Congress legislates the law, not district attorneys.
You made up a crime.
This will not stand.
Right.
And but that's way down the road, right?
And so we're looking at almost a guarantee, almost a guaranteed 90% chance of a Trump conviction, and then a hope for it to go to the appellate level.
And then on top of that, potentially other indictments and then other issues surrounding that.
Cash, this is not sustainable.
The country is going to fall apart if this continues.
I mean, the legal system is crumbling in front of our eyes.
This is more than a show trial.
This is more than a banana republic.
And I mean, that southern district of New York, right, just right there in New York, they have like widespreading police powers.
O'Keeffe, they've gone after Giuliani, Bannon, Dinesh D'Souza, right?
So dissident filmmaker, dissident journalist, dissident commentator, president's lawyer, the president himself, the former president himself.
And so what should our response to this, though, be you say subpoenas from Congress?
Do you think that's really going to make a difference?
I think it's a step.
Our response should be that you and I have talked about it.
Where are the Republican district attorneys and state attorney generals impaneling grand juries to investigate the fraudulent acts of these elected officials out like the likes of Alvin Bragg?
Where are the George Soros-funded guys being investigated by our district attorneys?
They just don't want to show up and do it.
That's the difference between Bragg and our team.
Our team doesn't want to show up and do it until they're embarrassed.
Well, they're not there.
Yeah.
So, I mean, I've called a couple attorneys general and I've said, what are you guys doing?
Oh, Charlie, you don't understand.
You know, we can't really impanel juries and, you know, we have to be there.
And that's not true, by the way.
But they're just making excuses.
They don't like getting phone calls from me.
And I can name the names.
And if they don't act right, but they're from a lot of red states.
And they say, one of them said, Charlie, we don't do that.
We're better than that.
So one Republican attorney general told me, Charlie, you're trying to tell me we have to stoop to the Democrat level?
No, we believe in the law and they don't.
You know what they said?
This too shall pass.
That is one of the most saddening statements I'm probably going to hear this week.
I'm not saying go and make up fictitious crimes as our state attorney generals.
I'm saying go and investigate the Soros-funded prosecutions with baseless merit, like the Alvin Bragg's of the world.
Was money utilized, federal, state, or otherwise, to bring these bogus charges?
And what other elected officials, i.e., the Swalwells of the world, actually committed a crime by pandering to overseas interests and violating his oath of office?
You can impanel a grand jury to investigate all of this stuff and so much more.
Are you telling me that there is not one democratic operation in the United States of America in our 50 states that didn't violate some form of campaign finance law that a state attorney general in a red state can't investigate?
I don't believe that for one second.
How about BLM?
BLM has.
There you go.
I forgot about those guys.
I mean, just really simple.
Why is there not a DA right now in Midland, Texas?
If there's a single donor from that county, a single donor from Lubbock, a single donor from Stillwater, Oklahoma, a single donor, and you're the DA, obvious charitable fraud, right?
Obviously defrauding small dollar donors.
You guys could do the same exact thing.
At least show the movement and the momentum.
Yet we're sitting here, no action, no plan, no spine, no resolve.
It's not just Trump.
This is the whole portfolio.
James O'Keefe had his apartment raided.
The state of New York shut down the NRA, literally shut down the National Rifle Association.
Okay.
So one of the number one groups for Liberty.
They raided Rudy Giuliani's apartment.
They went after a humorist and a satirist, Douglas Mackey, who might serve 10 years in prison.
Steve Bannon is currently under indictment.
And then they go after Trump.
So you have the journalists, you have the satirists, you have the, oh, and the filmmaker, Dinesh D'Souza, was indicted there.
And we can't even get a single Republican DA.
And by the way, not even an indictment.
They're not even thinking about doing it, Cash.
They're scared of it.
They're frightened.
When I talk to them, they get skittish.
They want to end the phone call.
They want nothing to do with it, nothing to do with it.
We do not have a single DA, not one DA or AG in America that is even remotely, even close to entertaining them, maybe possibly doing this.
Just to give everyone an idea of how weak your opposition party is.
Yeah, let me tell you two things about that.
One, it's going to take a list.
And I know people hate publicizing lists, but I've been compiling my own because I'm sick and tired of it.
And when you want to combine lists and go public, you give me a call.
I'll walk down the streets of America starting yelling these names.
And why aren't these DAs and prosecutors going after the FBI agents across this country, some of who commit fraudulent acts to bring bogus prosecutions every day?
If they are a citizen of your state, they are under your jurisdiction.
You can start there.
But, Charlie, we're just going to have to start blasting out names.
And the world is going to act when they are embarrassed to act because our guys have no gumption.
No gumption.
No spine.
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Cash, listen to this.
Edwards Indictment Comparison 00:04:28
Listen to how the media reacted to John Edwards being indicted versus Donald Trump.
Play cut 65.
There are growing questions tonight over whether the government overreached in its indictment a former presidential candidate, John Edwards.
Edwards is accused of using campaign funds to hide an extramarital affair.
There are growing questions over the indictment of former presidential candidate John Edwards for allegedly using campaign funds to hide an affair.
Did the government overreach?
This looks like one of those things you read about in third world countries or in India or somewhere in Pakistan, where they get somebody who's been out of office a couple of years, get them while they're dead, hit them with some incredible charge with campaign funding that nobody's ever heard of before and put them away for a while.
It just looks like revenge against the party, against somebody who lost an election.
Even if most of the facts prove true, there already is controversy over whether it all amounts to a federal crime.
Critics blast the government's case against the former presidential candidate.
Why they say what he did may not have been against the law today.
Cash your reaction.
Hypocrisy knows no bounds, and neither does a two-tier system of justice.
That highlights to me in a nutshell Alvin Bragg's failure.
The reason John Edwards was acquitted is because there was no federal crime committed.
And in Alvin Bragg's preposterous indictment, he says Donald Trump committed this same federal crime that doesn't exist that John Edwards did.
And oh, by the way, if what Alvin Bragg says is legally accurate, then every federal elected official, all 535 of them in Congress, who take out their staffers for lunch, who take out a donor, who take out advisors, who take out lawyers, and who use car services and get fancy haircuts, is guilty under Alvin Bragg's theory of legal prosecution.
Where is a unanimous uproar from the members of Congress who don't want to be falsely prosecuted?
I mean, and by the way, John Edwards' real crime, I mean, he did some really unethical stuff with his wife dying and stuff, but his real crime was that he was one of the few Democrats who hated neoliberalism.
That was his real crime.
That if you remember the John Edwards presidential campaign in 2008 and previously, he was against all this trade stuff.
He was arguing for a robust middle class.
He came from the American South, so he was socially moderate, and they had to take him out.
If he was pro-neoliberal and all that stuff, very similar to Trump in that regard, right?
They do not touch neoliberals.
If you're a neoliberal, open borders, invade the world, invite the world, import plastic from China, bend the need of Xi Ji Ping.
It's a much higher threshold to indict you than actually people that challenge this idea, contagion, this pathogen of neoliberalism.
I want to play another piece of tape here and get your reaction to it.
Let's go to cut 44, please.
So, as everybody knows, this is totally unprecedented in our history, but it is not out of character for our history.
And I think it's really important to understand that what's happening today is very much in line with what the founders envision for the Republicans to say that this is somehow like this crazy thing that we're interfering in a presidential election.
We should let the people decide, not have the courts decide.
That's the un-American argument.
This guy.
is an any award-winning documentary filmmaker Jonathan Alter.
Is this what our founders envisioned, Cash?
The promise of Madison, Hamilton, and Jay is to indict your political enemies.
That guy is a complete asshat.
What constitution is he reading and what founding fathers is he talking about?
Our founding fathers specifically said there is to be no interference in the electoral system by the law enforcement communities.
That's why DOJ has a long-standing principle.
It says don't bring prosecutions of presidential candidates.
Now, whether you agree or disagree with that, that principle came from the founding fathers and our constitution.
I don't know what world that guy's living on.
And it's not surprising that MSNBC puts it on.
But the fact that Donald Trump has now attached Alvin Bragg's prosecution, baseless prosecution, to future election interference, credibly, is driving the left mad.
And they, of course, are putting out disinformation after disinformation.
Look, Alvin Bragg's the new Adam Schiff.
That's the easiest way to put it.
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Grassroots Energy vs Abstractions 00:15:19
It's great.
And I have no idea how this is all going to play out.
I think Trump's going to be the nominee, but this is tragic.
It's unprecedented.
Kash Patel, thanks so much.
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Robbie Starbuck is with us.
Robbie's a great American.
He should be in Congress.
Maybe he will be one day.
Lord willing.
Robbie, welcome back to the program.
Your thoughts, RNC, the failure of the Republican Party.
I see so much good happening in the conservative movement.
Robbie, I see your voice being amplified.
I see great people like Matt Walsh and Candace Owens, Dan Bongino, big podcasts that are growing and that are strengthening.
I see Rumble.
I see the media space actually healthier almost than any other time.
I've been doing this in 10 years.
But I see the party sicker and weaker than ever before.
Your thoughts?
You're absolutely right, Charlie.
And it's really this gulf between the reality of the base of our party versus the people in control of our party.
It all honestly seems kind of like the people in charge professionally want to lose.
I don't know another way to describe it because some of the things going on are just entirely nonsensical.
When you look at the results of recent history, you know, just look at Wisconsin this week.
We're not even close to winning that Supreme Court race.
Okay.
We got obliterated there.
And it's a byproduct of really just having no activation on the ground.
When you have a Twitter account beating you at ground game, literally, I saw Scott Pressler, one guy on a Twitter account, doing more to flip that race than I saw the national GOP application.
And just so we're clear, Rana Romney and the RNC, they won't even call Scott back.
That's a fact.
Scott said, I call them.
I try to do stuff.
They want nothing to do with him.
How's that possible, Robbie?
It's ludicrous.
And look backwards, okay?
Who was registering voters for 2020?
Who went out there at gas stations and got people out all over the country to go to their own gas stations, activating these people at the grassroots to go and register voters to vote Republican?
It was Scott.
It wasn't the GOP.
The GOP did a tiny version of this later on after Scott already proved it successful.
But yet our national party doesn't actually utilize him or people like him.
And there are tons of these people, but they're not activating the grassroots at all.
And then they sit around and wonder why they're getting their butt kicked, you know?
And the reality is instead, we've got Rana going on Fox News blaming pro-life voters for us losing in Wisconsin.
That's not a winning strategy because guess what?
If that's the direction they want to go and they want to go into future elections saying, hey, you know what?
Actually, we're cool with abortion.
You're going to lose all those pro-life voters.
So whoever you pick up is a byproduct of going out and being pro-choice all of a sudden.
You're going to lose all those pro-life voters who have fought so hard for you.
So you've got to actually come up with a real winning message instead of saying, hey, it's these pro-life people's fault.
And you've got to go out there in the ground game and beat them.
Yes.
Because when they outspend us two or three or four or five to one, we're the problem, not them.
Robbie, that's such a clear analysis.
And if Rana is wrong, because if she was correct, how did Ron Johnson win the Senate race as an unbelievably outspoken pro-life leader?
How did Ron DeSantis win in Florida by 20 points?
So you have to answer those questions, right?
So maybe it's not the abortion issue.
Maybe it's not how you talk about the abortion issue, which maybe the RNC should, I don't know, figure out how to better train candidates to speak about the issues that care that your voters care about, like just what a concept, right?
Instead of avoiding and dodging them, that would be more helpful.
So, Robbie, we're getting that clip because I think it's important to play.
And again, I mean, this is not a personal vendetta against Rana.
It wasn't when I was trying to, you know, effectuate regime change when I was lobbying in Dana Point, California, and, you know, we fell short.
And Harmee should be in charge of it.
I want to win, Robbie.
I love America.
I love what we have here.
I'm sick of losing it.
I'm sick of losing the country.
The Republic is under assault daily by this regime, and I will not put up with losing.
Robbie, your thoughts.
You're absolutely right.
And when you look at the disastrous results and how far out this is going to affect us, this is 2024 here.
We just allowed liberals to take over the Wisconsin Supreme Court.
That means effectively, unless something changes between now and then, I don't know that we can win Wisconsin in 2024 for a Republican presidential candidate.
So people fighting over Trump, DeSantis, whatever.
The reality is, if you don't have the ability to have secure elections, you can't win.
And we need to get people trusting elections again.
So all of this has these downstream effects that are just not being thought about.
And I don't think that they're really considering how damaging it all truly is.
And to your point, what you said about candidates, they've got to stop policing the idea that certain candidates are just too far out there to be electable.
Ron Johnson, he broke the rules and he went out there and talked about the COVID vaccine.
Exactly.
That made people on the national level very uncomfortable.
DeSantis did the same thing, did all these things that are too dangerous to talk about.
And guess what?
They both won and outperformed other Republicans because people want real.
They want real people who stand up and are not afraid to speak their mind and tell the truth.
And frankly, people are able to discern what's true, what's not true.
And I think they're tired of politicians and political apparatus leaders treating them like they're stupid.
And in effect, really, those people, they need to get off Fox News and go look in the mirror and look at what does our actual ground game look like?
What is our strategy?
What are we doing?
How are we utilizing our grassroots?
And if they don't get on top of it now, we are not going to win 2024, whether it's Trump, DeSantis, or Mickey Mouse.
So, Robbie, then what is the solution?
Because our audience is fired up.
They're done giving to the regime.
They're done giving to the RNC Uniparty.
I mean, we're our little mighty band of political operation, a couple million bucks a year.
We're trying to do what we're doing at Turning Point Action.
But to the credit of our great grassroots staff and Tyler and Brett, we were on the ground in Wisconsin.
We were doing our best.
Obviously, it wasn't enough.
What should people do?
Well, so actually, this is going to sound like we plan this, but we don't plan this.
I didn't talk to Charlie ahead of time about this, but I've been saying the RNC is not getting it done.
And what we really need to do is get some of these high-dollar donors and the grassroots donors, but really the high-dollar donors, we need to get them contributing to outside groups like Turning Point Action and empower them to handle the ballot chasing.
Because I have absolutely no faith the RNC is going to do what's necessary to ballot chase in 2024.
We need an outside hungry entity that is going to be on top of it and is going to take this to a new level.
Well, thank you.
And, you know, for these people, they need to ask the question: what evidence is there that the RNC is going to do an effective job at ballot chasing?
What have they shown you in recent elections that would lead you to believe that they're capable of doing a better job than Democrats?
There's nothing.
There's nothing you can tell me and give any faith that that's the case.
So contribute to these outside orgs like Turning Point Action.
Instead, focus your efforts on igniting a fire in these hungry young organizations to do the work necessary to beat the Democrats.
I really think that's what we have to do.
I think that's the only way out of this to show that the RNC is a failure.
Outside groups can do a better job.
It's almost like, you know, the idea of socialism.
You know, we've almost got to treat the RNC like it's big government, and we have to be the outside groups that do a better job than big governments that people stop having faith in big government.
And then on the flip side of that, at the end of it all, have the people running those outside orgs end up the people in charge of that institution.
I totally agree.
And I mean, again, if it's not us, then go find someone else go do the thankless job of doing ballot chasing.
We're trying to step up and figure it out, right?
It's not exactly a job that is easy where you have to go hire a thousand people and do it legally and above board to go.
You guys aren't making money doing it.
It's not like it's a profitable endeavor.
No, we're not.
And all of our financials are public.
RNC has a lot of abstractions in their financials.
Let's put it that way.
And yeah, I mean, we're aggressive and we don't want to lose.
I hate losing.
I do not want to lose.
I don't feel that sense of urgency from the RNC regime at all.
In fact, I think they're okay.
I mean, they seem very comfortable.
Okay, I want to play a piece of tape.
Well, why wouldn't they be?
Yeah, please keep it.
Charlie, why wouldn't they be comfortable?
Why wouldn't they be comfortable?
They've had these cushy jobs.
They get paid really, really well.
They get all these, you know, benefits they're not entitled to using people's money to get private jets and private cars and so on and so forth.
Why wouldn't they be comfortable?
Nobody's firing them.
Everybody went ahead and said, you get to keep this cushy job.
And in DC, they get treated like royalty.
So why wouldn't they be comfortable?
It is unsustainable.
I want to play the piece of tape here.
And just to your point, Washington, D.C. is very comfy if you don't care about winning.
Let's play Cut 67, please.
Nirana, do the Republicans face a messaging challenge in these states?
Wisconsin's a battleground state.
I don't think that changes anything.
We just won for Ron Johnson and flipped a house seat in 2022.
But I will say something else.
When you're losing by 10 points, there is a messaging issue.
And abortion is still an issue.
And we can't allow the Democrats to define Republicans and put millions of dollars up in lies and have it go unanswered.
I'm a suburban woman.
I know this is an issue.
I hear it with my friends, with my young daughter.
This is not an issue that's going away for our party in a post-obs world.
And we can't put our head in the sand and think it's going to heading into 2024.
I mean, you're the head of the party.
Like, what'd you do about it?
What are you, a political commentator?
How do you take responsibility?
I run the party, and it was a failure.
That is exactly what I said.
When have you ever seen her go on TV and say, we didn't do a good enough job?
This is what we're doing to fix it.
This is what we're going to do better.
We failed at this, but we're not going to fail again.
She has never done it.
She never will do it because she will not take accountability.
She is a political commentator and she gets paid by the RNC to be a political commentator.
And it's a joke, especially when you have somebody running our party, going on TV and essentially giving credence to the idea that we are too pro-life as a party.
Then I mean, why do we need enemies?
If these are the people running our party, what do we need enemies for?
I honestly, I can't tell you what we need them for, but I can tell you people need to give to other organizations, not the RNC.
Give to turning point action.
Find some other outside group that you trust on a state level in your state that's doing good work, but empower people who are hungry that are going to get out there and do the real work necessary, not live a cushy life in D.C.
I agree, Robbie.
Well, and obviously I'm, you know, run turning point action, but I appreciate the kind words, but whatever.
I mean, if it's another group, find another group.
It's not about that.
It's about not being the RNC.
Find a grassroots, scrappy group that's willing to hustle, willing to get in the trenches, willing to do the work.
Whatever the group is, if it's turning point action, great.
If it's, you know, dog catchers for America, then fine.
Like, I don't care.
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Robbie, I want to talk about some of the positives, though.
I see a lot of grassroots energy.
I see us drafting better candidates.
I see our messaging finally intact.
I see states like Tennessee pushing forward really meaningful pieces of legislation to protect children.
So, Robbie, I think that if we actually can just figure out a couple things here, simple things, machinery, ballot chasing, who runs the party?
Why are we spending hundreds of millions of dollars on things that don't matter?
You know, minor details.
I think we actually have some of the stars aligned for a conservative renaissance.
Your thoughts?
Oh, we absolutely do.
In terms of talent, the bench is full of talented people.
We have incredibly talented people.
Our media apparatus is the best it's ever been in my lifetime.
I think we're on the precipice of a real cultural moment where we have a lot of cultural, you know, sort of institutions of our own starting to really get out there and get popularized.
I think we're going to have emerging market spaces and products that are really tied to the conservative movement that are very successful.
So I think there's so many things to be excited about.
But the problem is, is when you've got this rotting fish head at the top, you've got big problems because it really holds you back to a degree I think a lot of people don't realize.
Because here's the thing: the DNC, the Democratic Party, they have absolutely ruthless competitors running their party.
We have ruthless people within our own party.
That means they're being ruthless towards other people in the party, but they're not being ruthless toward Democrats who they need to be ruthless toward.
So we're not taking on the same tactics the DNC is willing to take on against us in, you know, sort of a tip for tat.
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We're not willing to do that.
We're not even willing to meet them where they are, let alone beat them at it.
And so that's a problem we've got to fix.
I just would say what you said again.
Take that money you're donating there and donate it to an outside org.
Stop the automatic donations.
Tell your friends same thing because that's what will eventually get us change at the RNC and get us a real leader there.
And I really hope President Trump, you know, makes a call for a new leader at some point because I do think I agree completely.
And that's kind of that was something I was disappointed in in the last RNC thing.
You know, I really wanted to see him come out for Harmeat because she's fought so hard for him.
But, you know, you can't change the past.
You can't hope in the future there's a better decision.
And I think that that's something he's seeing the results right now too.
And hopefully that leads him toward a decision to say, hey, we need some change there.
And it's fine that people like her.
I mean, you know, I don't have a personal problem with Rana.
I don't hate the lady.
I hate losing.
I hate losing.
And there's a lot of nice people that should not be the five-star general to take on the Marxist level.
Exactly.
That's exactly.
I want ruthless people running my party.
I want a George S. Patton, period.
I want someone that's.
And if you look at Tennessee, we're a great model right now for why it's important.
We had every media institution come out and do hit pieces against me and my wife and legislators as we got these two bills done to keep drag queens out of, you know, kids' spaces to end sex change surgeries, hormones, puberty blockers.
And we don't care.
They can write whatever they want about us, call us transphobic.
We are absolutely impenetrable to their attacks.
We don't care.
And we need people like that in leadership positions.
We need people like that pushing legislation.
And we're proving as a state that a conservative state can really stand and be successful and have the love of its people.
And also hold the Democrats to the new rules.
That's something I don't see any other state doing.
We're doing it today.
We're expelling three Democrats who acted like fools and took over the House floor in our state.
And we know for a fact, if I had done that and the Democrats were in a majority, they would expel somebody like me so fast your heads would spin.
And we're finally holding them to the same rules.
Get them out.
I love it.
And by the way, something I'm going to encourage President Trump to do and everybody running for the presidency, do not do RNC sanctioned debates.
Get out of it, right?
Go do your own debates.
Have your own debate calendar.
Why are you going with the regime with debates?
Like, that doesn't make any sense.
Go actually talk to voters.
Wouldn't you rather have Mark Levin and Dan Bongino and Matt Walsh and Candace Owens and Steve Bannon ask debate questions?
1,000%.
And not only would it be better in the outcomes, it would be compelling television.
It's good for the movement, right?
Ratings and compelling TV.
One of the worst things we can do is continue to elevate fake news.
And that's what we've done by doing these RNC events and then, you know, bringing in an ABC or a CNN host to come ask the questions.
We all know they're partisan hacks.
Why are we doing this?
Why are we empowering people who hate us?
It's the same thing with these companies like Bub Light, you know, having trans people on their canes and stuff.
Stop giving money to people who hate you.
Stop empowering people who hate you.
Stop giving interviews to people who hate you.
Stop doing things with people who hate you and help ignite and fire up our movement.
And that's what I would encourage any presidential candidate in 2024 to do is set up our people for success and make it compelling television.
And the best way to do that is bring in Bannon, bring in Candace, bring in Charlie Kirk, bring in people like Tim Poole or could you imagine Tim Poole hosting a debate?
The questions would be honest.
They'd be fair.
It would be fun.
It'd be amazing.
Represent your voters.
Okay, Robbie, great job.
We'll have you back on very soon.
Thank you.
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