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March 9, 2023 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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March Madness in a Mad Country with Jason Whitlock
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Joining us for the full hour is one of my favorite guests and one of my favorite people in the conservative movement, especially when it comes to the issues that really matter.
Jason Whitlock joins us, host of Fearless with Jason Whitlock.
And also, I want to promote a very exciting roll call conference in Nashville, April 14th and 15th, right outside of Nashville, Tennessee.
And Jason will tell us more about that.
Jason, welcome to the program.
Charlie, thank you for having me.
I really appreciate it.
I can't push back against being called a conservative, but I like to think of myself as part of the Christian movement.
Amen.
That's the only thing that's going to save America.
You're always welcome to correct me on titles because you label me, you negate me.
So that's actually a great segue to a story that fires me up.
And I sent this to my team yesterday and we were thinking about who's the best person to address this.
And it's March Madness season.
I love March Madness, one of my favorite kind of sport chapters of the entire calendar year.
Texas Tech suspends basketball coach for quoting the Bible.
Not sure if you saw the story or not, Jason, but this Texas Tech coach is now on leave, university suspended, head men's basketball coach Mark Adams for quoting the Bible to a student athlete.
Jason, your reaction to the story.
Yeah, I'm not surprised by it at all.
We talked about it quite a bit on my show yesterday.
Listen, on college campuses and in American society, a biblical worldview is under attack.
It's being demonized.
It's being categorized as hate speech.
And, you know, these young kids on college campuses have been radicalized and convinced that America's Judeo-Christian culture and founding are evil and at the root of everything that's wrong with this country.
And it's why, you know, we don't accept the LGBTQ.
It's why we don't accept transgenderism.
And so I'm not surprised at all that a coach trying to reach a kid, you know, quote some scripture, and the kid in the school twists what he's doing.
How dare you, you know, read scripture?
How dare you read scripture that mentions the word slavery and context and reality don't matter.
And then the corporate media gets involved and they call it racially insensitive.
And, you know, when you can turn the Bible into hate speech, it really just speaks to, you know, what kind of cultural war we're in.
And it lets you know who's really under attack.
And it's Jesus Christ.
And it's our Christian founding here in America that's under attack.
They want to uproot all of it.
You can do some, let's just say, rather shady things in recruiting athletes nowadays.
And boy, Jason, am I hearing stories of what coaches are doing now with the NIL stuff?
I don't know if it's legal, but it certainly isn't, it certainly isn't moral, the things I'm hearing of vehicles and paid trips and parents.
I'm sure you're hearing stories about this too.
It's one of the most underreported aspects of college athletics right now is just the wild west of ethics with recruiting kids.
But if you quote the Bible, and by the way, just the exact Bible verse that he was quoted about how the Bible calls us to be servants, it might not have exactly resonated with the student, but why is this a problem?
How did the university find out?
That's my question.
I mean, coaches say stuff all the time.
You're with them.
They're running their mouth.
They're sleeping four hours a night.
You're getting ready for the big dance, hopefully.
But this is a problem for the university.
I think this is grotesque.
Well, it's probably a problem because all of these young athletes and particularly black athletes have been convinced and radicalized that, you know, America's founding is evil and its founding is related to the Bible.
And so you've got a lot of young black kids who have been convinced that Christianity is evil.
And so I would imagine the kid that complained has that point of view.
And how dare this 65-year-old white man read, you know, Bible scripture to me to tell me how to be a better basketball player?
Don't you know that Christianity justified slavery?
And again, it's 180 degrees diametrically.
It's just a lie.
Christianity is what ended slavery.
But they've been convinced that it justified slavery.
And so, you know, as the coach, and particularly in football and basketball, a lot of coaches, particularly Mark Adams' age, get it into coaching as part of their own personal ministry to give back to kids.
I'm not talking about now that he's the head coach at Texas Tech and making all that money.
I'm talking when he first dreamed of being a coach, it was about, hey, I'm going to help kids.
And I'm going to use this as a ministry to young men and help, you know, help them in their walk through life.
And we've basically outlawed that.
You can't be Tony Dungy anymore, Charlie.
Tony Dungy, celebrated African-American coach in the National Football League.
And he was celebrated for a lot of years because of his values.
And his values were openly Christian, but they love to talk about openly gay.
There used to be a time you could be openly Christian.
Now if you're a Christian, you got to hide in the closet.
And if you're openly gay, you get to run out in the closet and all your values can't be questioned.
That's the kind of crazy place we're living in America.
I believe the kid stirred this up.
He's probably frustrated with his playing time and being coached hard, and is now pretending like his feelings were hurt because someone read a Bible scripture to him.
And Tony Dungy's been through a lot of personal trauma as well, a lot with his son.
It's really sad and tragic.
And so, Jason, we're seeing this.
We're really living through the excesses of not just a secular, but a militantly secular society.
And without any sort of core moral value, you have to have something to fill it.
And we see that in sports because if you remove God from society, people are going to find some other fake and weird religion to fill that void.
And that's why in the National Football League, they have the end racism stuff.
They have the just nauseating commitment in hockey to the gay agenda, which I just, that one I can't understand.
If you want to talk about a sports, you know, a fan, a community where it's probably wokeism is the least popular, I would imagine to be hockey.
Maybe I'm wrong.
But, you know, Jason, it seems as if that is, would you agree with the statement that Christians allowed this to happen?
Without question.
Because, and we have allowed our sin to silence us.
The left and the atheist and the secular, they're very clever.
And so they have said, you can't say anything.
Jason, didn't you used to be friends with a strip club owner?
Didn't you used to hang out drinking party?
And so, Jason, shut up.
You can't say anything.
And a lot of us ran into silence because we didn't want to use our own, we didn't want our own failings to be used against us.
And that's why I've really committed to a saying and just some bearing witness requires courage, not perfection.
Jesus died on a cross for our sins.
We are brought into this world, evil, need Jesus as our Lord and Savior, or we will not combat our wicked nature.
And so I try to encourage people not to live a life of sin, but to not let your sins and failing silence you from speaking the truth about Jesus Christ and about anything, because they're really just trying to silence truth.
That's how we have this thing with 72 genders.
And, you know, you can't, that's people have been convinced that the police are out on this violent rampage, just killing black men indiscriminately.
There's no one, black or white, that actually believes that.
But there's a risk if you stand up and say, well, that's not true.
Are you kidding me?
The only people I will say that agree with it, Jason, is these delusional 19-year-old kids that I talk to on campuses.
Sometimes it really is amazing to hear a black kid at UC Santa Barbara say it's more dangerous to be a black in America than any place else on earth.
I mean, it's just so outside of reality.
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I want to get your reaction to this back and forth.
JJ Reddick, who I always enjoyed watching JJ Reddick at Duke, great player, called out Kendrick Perkins for suggesting that Nikola Zokic, Steve Nash, and Dirk Nowitzki only won the MVP because they were white.
And now, mind you, I've stopped watching the NBA a couple years ago.
I might watch the playoffs here or there.
I didn't even know who Nikola Djokic was until somebody told me about him.
That's how disconnected I am.
But Dirk Nowitzki and Steve Nash, now those were my guys growing up.
And so I find this whole narrative to be repulsive.
But good for JJ Reddick.
I'm sure he's going to get a call from Disney for speaking truth, play cut 59.
It is an honor to be on this desk every day.
It really is.
But what we've just witnessed is the problem with this show, where we create narratives that do not exist in reality.
The implication, what you are implying, that the white voters that vote on NBA are racist.
They favor white people.
You just said that.
Yes, you did.
That is exactly what you imply, Kendrick Perkins.
That is exactly what you implied.
Secondly, hold on.
Hold on.
I did not call.
I stated the facts.
I stated the facts.
And you're not about to sit up.
We all know what you implied the other day.
We all know what you implied this time.
Hold on.
I stated it's the fact.
It's the facts.
It's the facts.
Jason, is it the facts?
What's going on here?
So I know Kendrick Perkins.
He used to appear on a show I did for Fox Sports.
Look, Kendrick is like a lot of athletes.
They spend a lot of time developing their physical gifts and don't spend a lot of time working on critical thinking.
And so much of their thinking comes from Twitter.
And Twitter has convinced many of these athletes and many of the broadcasters on TV that racism explains everything.
Anything that they don't like, racism is the answer.
And so Nikola Jokic and a lot of foreign-born players are dominating the NBA.
And I'm talking black and white, for Yannis, Ante Tecumpo.
That's right.
Luca.
See, I know that one.
There you go.
Luca.
There's a lot of black Joel MB.
He's not from America.
They're dominating the NBA right now.
And Nicola Jokic is about to win his third straight MVP.
And the black American-born players are frustrated and don't even understand.
I wrote about Kendrick and these guys that Kendrick really is a MAGA person.
He's an America first person, but he can't say that.
He can't say, hey, you know, they got all these foreign players dominating the NBA, black and white guys.
And, you know, it's infringing on what had been our little sweet spot of dominance in the NBA.
He can't say that.
He can't be an America first person because, you know, he has to hate Donald Trump.
He has to hate anything that really supports America.
And so he plays the race card and falls into that trap of instead of saying, hey, the NBA has opened its borders and is allowing players from all over the world to come in and play and they're now taking our jobs.
He can't say that because we've bought into this global citizen.
Well, and I'm just curious, though, Jason, I mean, why do you think that is?
Why is it that, and it's so interesting, I haven't heard anybody say that.
And I actually have no necessary problem with it.
They're just better.
Why is it that our players aren't, is it AAU?
Is it just, is it a technical thing?
Is it a cultural thing?
Well, as it relates to American-born African-American players.
Or blacks or white, whatever.
Why is it that our players are not necessarily dominating the league as much as foreign-born?
I'm going to reduce it to the black American players because that's who has been dominating the GPA for 50, 60 years.
Charlie, our family structure is in such tatter, is in such horrible shape that you just don't produce the same kind of kids that we used to.
That it's just a fact.
Our family structure is in such shambles that we're not producing the same quality of athletes.
They're not as tough.
They're not mentally tough.
Again, as you see with Kendrick Perkins and Kendrick actually comes from a decent family, but he's part of a culture that celebrates ignorance.
And so these guys don't think critically.
The game has become more international and European.
It's being driven by these advanced metric stats.
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Jason, before we dive into that topic even deeper, can you tell our audience about the Nashville event you have coming up?
Yeah, on April 14th and 15th, we're hosting the first Fearless Army roll call Event where we're trying to gather men and encourage them to bear witness to the power, grace, mercy of Jesus Christ.
And because we believe, and my show was about promoting responsible men to rise up and take back leadership of this country and their community and their home, and that the only solution to this madness is a return to a biblical worldview and biblical values.
And we have to stand on that regardless of the consequences, or we're going to leave young people, your children, your grandchildren, a world that you will not recognize in a world that you do not want them to live in, and a world that will favor the LGBTQ, the transgender.
If you're wondering why the whole society is being set up to favor them, it's because as Christians, we haven't stood on our values.
And so we're going to have good food, good music, a good time, hear some great speeches from guys I respect and try to inspire guys to live up to our biblical values, no matter how flawed we are, no matter whatever mistakes we've made in our past.
It's time for those of us that are believers to stand up and to take the responsibility that God put on men to lead this country and to lead our families and to lead our communities.
You say men.
I love that.
I'm sure the media will attack that.
Who cares about that?
But just zero in on that.
We need strong men.
There's no question about it.
Listen, God called us to be leaders.
And the whole feminist movement, the whole matriarchary movement is an utter failure.
And that's why this country is in such chaos.
Women don't like to draw lines in the sand.
They want to make everybody happy.
That's why we have drag queens at schools and in libraries.
Hey, everybody, just get along.
And, you know, hey, let them do this, let them do that.
Men, properly functioning men, draw lines in the sand and say, no, we're not doing that with our kids.
We're not having that at our schools.
And so if men don't stand up, women are going to lay down.
And I don't mean that in any sexual way, but I just mean they're not going to stand up and draw that line in the sand and say, hey, Ned, we're not having that.
And so, look, I'm a patriarch.
I believe in the patriarchy.
I believe in the natural order.
I believe in the nuclear family.
And if we don't encourage each other to stand on those values, we're going to continue to surrender this culture to people that are satanic, secular, atheists, just want to build a world based on feelings and not any kind of logic or reason.
It's incumbent upon men to save this country, and it's incumbent upon men to get right with God.
That's the only way we're going to leave a better world for these young people following in behind us.
Well, I love that.
And when you don't have men, then women have to start to act like men and they do all sorts of other goofy stuff.
And then really bad people can take advantage of both women and take advantage of children.
And we're seeing that play out all across the country with the decline in testosterone rates, men stopping, you know, being men any longer, little purpose, very little purpose, very little understanding of their place in the world.
And it's tragic.
And we need to fix that.
Okay, I want to play a piece of tape here.
Chris Rock.
Oh, I'm so glad you brought Chris Rock up.
That's what I wanted to go to next.
Well, we got it.
So I haven't even seen this piece of tape yet.
So I'll enjoy it for the first time.
I've read the transcript, but let's play Cut 57.
I'm in my own neighborhood the other day.
I'm fucking about my good friend Fred.
Hadn't seen him in years.
Hadn't seen him in years.
Fred got a new job at 18 T.
So I'm like, hey, Fred, how's the job?
And Fred's like, oh, I love the job.
It's a safe space.
I feel seen.
I feel heard.
There's a lot of diversity.
And I'm looking at him like, it's me.
But you think I'm wearing a wire?
What the f are you talking about?
Safe space.
You've been eight years for manslaughter.
Nobody's safe around you.
Jason, you're wearing a wire.
He has a way of just hitting it perfectly.
Your thoughts?
Charlie, his special is awesome.
Now, it is profane.
Oh, whatever.
You know, this is God is safe for us.
I'm going to get an email from a Christian.
How dare you air that?
Get over yourself.
Okay.
There's a time and place for that type of humor.
Please continue.
And so what I would tell Christians, though, I'm just telling you, everything Chris talked about was from a biblical worldview.
He put a clown suit on abortion advocates.
He comes off, he frames it like he's pro-abortion, but he calls abortion murder.
He talks about the ugliness of it.
It's an amazing show.
I was going to say he even talked about the importance of men and working.
And he went through this whole joke about how you know when you're in a good neighborhood at 12 noon on a weekday, if you got women in sweatsuits, walking babies, riding bikes, and just leaving the gym, you know you're in a good neighborhood.
If you know you're in a bad neighborhood, if men are out in the middle of the day in sweatsuits, lifting weights, just leaving the gym and riding bikes, that's how you know you're in a bad neighborhood.
Men need to be working.
There were so many different things he described in here from just a, and he didn't, he didn't say Bible.
He never mentioned God or anything, but it was comforting to me to see a comedian basically tell jokes from a biblical perspective.
And it gave me hope that, hey, maybe the culture is finally going to start pushing back and start doing things that are more in line with truth and reality.
Let's play Cut 58.
Chris Rock continues on woke businesses.
Cut 58.
I'm in the mall the other day.
I went by that store.
What's this thing?
Lululemon.
Lululemon.
I walk by, and in the window of every Lululemon, there's a sign that says, we don't support racism, sexism, discrimination, or hate.
And I'm like, who gives a f?
You're just selling yoga pants.
I don't need your yoga pants politics.
Tell me how you work on ball sweat.
Jason, your thoughts.
I mean, he really, he just, he nailed it.
A lot of stuff that's getting attention is he slapped Will Smith over the Oscar slap and he went after Will Smith really hard, but he went after these corporations in a way that I just been waiting for a comedian to do this.
And say, why do I care about McDonald's opinions on political issues or race, all the virtue signaling?
And again, you mentioned the NFL, end racism, whatever.
The NFL, no, guys, I want to see you play football.
You're not going to end race.
And that's a nice little slogan that makes you sound good, but it does nothing.
And so, Lululemon, your little and people that put the little signs out in front of their house in this house, Black Lives Matter, and all this other crap.
None of that stuff matters.
It's about you.
Just do your job.
Sell me good sweatpants.
Give me that double filet of fish sandwich when I come through the drive-thru at McDonald's.
I don't want to know about your politics.
I don't want to know what you think about feminism or abortion or any of this other stuff.
Make them hamburgers.
I've been losing weight, Charlie, but I still like to make food jokes.
And so I just love what Chris did.
And I'm amazed that, you know, Netflix played, paid for it, and put it and platformed it.
It's all gave me a little hope.
So I want you to build out a little bit further.
I haven't seen the whole special or just the clips we've seen, but some people might say, Jason, come on, biblical Chris Rock.
What do you mean by that?
I'm saying his jokes came from a biblical point of view.
At one point, he talked about kids and that he goes, you hear people say, kids are born into the world pure and we make them bad.
And he goes, only people to say that are people that ain't got kids.
Well, that's right.
That is a bit.
That is Genesis 6.
That is correct.
The heart of man is flawed from birth.
Yeah, sorry.
And so he was making fun of that and saying, like, I got kids.
My oldest daughter, when she was a little kid, she used to bite people all the time.
You think me and my wife taught her that?
You think me and her mother taught her, you know, bought her little mannequin and helped her practice biting people?
He's like, no, people come into this world wicked, and that's just on them.
And so he didn't tell the other side.
He didn't go as far as I would have gone and said, you know, and said, like, and the Bible will tell you that, that, you know, that's why you need Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior.
But his whole point of view was consistent with a biblical worldview.
And that's what we haven't been getting from comedians.
You turn on any of these late night shows and they're all cracking jokes.
If you're not a thousand percent on board with men pretending to be women and children cutting their breasts and penises off, you're the bad guy.
Chris Rock didn't crack those kind of jokes.
And I just appreciated that.
I could sit here and watch a comedy special and virtually no joke that was cracked violated my core principles.
So Jason, I do want to talk about the trans thing.
I think it's really important.
It seems as if it's getting wildly out of control culturally.
The one part of this that I would love your take: why are parents seemingly so passive on this?
Scared.
Everybody's just scared.
And everybody just is hoping this is going to go away and things are going to go back to normal.
And it's no different.
People have all kinds of personal problems and they just ignore it.
You know, for a long time, I was just like, well, you know, tomorrow I'll lose weight.
No, next month I'll lose weight.
And we just ignore problems and ignore problems and think they're just going to go away without putting the work in.
People have been in that mindset that, oh, this is going to go away.
It can't be this crazy for this long.
And now they're afraid because if you express, oh, you're, they come up with all these words, you're transphobic.
You could lose your job.
You could get punished at school.
You could be in trouble over social media.
People could, again, they can go hunt down whatever sin you may have committed.
You may have quoted a rap lyric that used the N-word when you were 14 years old and posted it on Twitter.
And so you better shut your mouth about the transgender issue because someone may throw that up in a news story and cancel you.
It's a very clever, effective plot that these Satanists have put together.
And again, that's why I just keep saying we as men have to show some courage and say we're drawing a line of sand and we're not going to be silenced and dare people to cancel us.
That's exactly right.
We give them more power than anything else.
If we allow them to control us, especially our thoughts, they're already in control.
So, Jason, at times I can't tell what is parody and what is reality.
Other people have suffered under this phenomenon where I can't tell if this is a Babylon B story or not.
So NBA team forced to apologize for suggesting only women can have babies.
Play cut 29.
And let me read the Toronto Raptors official response, play cut 29.
Girls run the world because they're the only one that can procreate.
They birth everybody.
All women are great because they're all queens.
Now, that's a short B-roll video.
Basically, they're the only ones that can procreate.
And here was the Toronto Raptors' response.
We as an organization pride ourselves on doing the right thing when it comes to inclusion and representation.
And we made a mistake.
Our sincerest apologies to our players and our staffs and our fans will work to be better every day after Jason.
This is the world we live in, Charlie.
Charlie, I'm much older than you.
I'm 55.
I went 45 years, it feels like, without ever hearing the word transphobia, without ever knowing you could be transphobic.
And so that didn't exist when I was younger.
They've created it and they've thrown this, oh, you don't want to be transphobic.
And so anything that they are for, they come up with some kind of negative word to describe if you're against it.
And so the whole world is running around trying not to be transphobic and trying not to say, look, if you got a kid who's a boy with a penis who thinks he's a woman, that kid has a mental problem, not a physical problem.
And you should address that mental issue.
That's the way it was when I was growing up and for throughout most of the history of America.
They've come up with a new reality that there's some kind of physical problem.
And this all comes down to a do-what thou wilt mentality.
Every man will do whatever is right in his own eyes.
Yeah.
Yes.
And whatever you feel, you should do.
And that's why at some point they're going to legalize or try to legalize pedophilia.
If, oh, you feel like you should have access to a 10-year-old or a 12-year-old, well, that's perfectly normal.
That's where this is going.
I've been saying that for seven, eight years.
When I first started saying it, people were, oh, that's crazy.
Children Are Off Limits 00:02:59
Don't say that.
Don't say, well, it's here now because again, this Rachel Levine or Ralph Levine that's running around pretending like he's a woman and in the Biden administration, this stuff is crazy, but we're all being cowards.
We're afraid.
Many of us are afraid to say that publicly because, you know, there are consequences to that.
And look, there are jobs in the mainstream sports media and just media in general that I have abandoned because I'm going to say what I believe.
You're not allowed to say these things in the corporate media.
That's a sacrifice I'm willing to make in order to stand with God.
And if we're not willing to make those sacrifices, we're going to continue to surrender this country.
And we have to remember the people that sacrificed their lives, their lives in the Civil War, in world wars, fighting for civil rights.
And some of us don't want to deal with a little HR problem or some financial problems for standing on truth, biblical truth.
I'm sorry, that's weak.
And, you know, when it comes to this whole thing of sexualizing kids and all that other stuff, this is an issue.
And I don't say this jokingly or I don't say it like I'm bragging, but this is an issue worth dying over because we're going to burn in hell for allowing this, for allowing the abuse of these children.
And I don't even have children, Charlie.
I just remember how great my childhood was.
And I want other kids to have that experience, not this hyper-sexualized world that we're leaving them.
We're going to burn in hell for.
Really quick, what did Jesus say that if you allow the predators to come after the infants, it's better for you to have a millstone hung around your neck and go into the deepest bowels of the sea?
One of the harshest teachings, actually, of the entire New Testament is what happens if you allow the innocence of children, if you cause one of these little ones to sin.
And that was a profound moral advancement, Jason.
The idea that children are valuable and off limits, that's a Christian idea.
And just my final thought, I've asked people all the time, abortion or slavery?
I can't wait to hear God on what he thinks is worse, murdering children or slavery.
I think murdering children is worse.
Check out Jason Whitlock's podcast, everybody.
God bless you.
Thank you for being generous with your time.
Big fan.
Thank you, Jason.
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