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March 8, 2023 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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Destroying the Regime Narrative with Darren Beattie and Miranda Devine
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Ray Epps Earth-Shattering News 00:15:19
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Darren Beattie reacts to the January 6th bombshell news, and then Miranda Devine talks COVID, Fauci, and a template that seems to continue to manifest with the most important stories in America.
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Okay, I want to get into this continuing on the January 6th story with the man who knows more about the events and the complexities of what happened on that day than anybody else, Darren Beattie from Revolver.news.
I go to Revolver.news every day.
Darren, welcome back to the program.
Fantastic to be back.
Thank you.
So, Darren, what is your initial reaction?
You have front page of Revolver.news.
Tucker blows open J6 narrative with video proof.
Tell us about it.
Well, I think it's pretty phenomenal.
It's a great victory for anyone who's been trying to get the truth out in relation to January 6th.
Some of the footage that Tucker showed last night, and my understanding is there's a lot more to come.
But some of the footage was really, really amazing.
You know, the footage of Brian Sicknick, for instance, you know, people forget it now.
Brian Sicknick was the original lie, the lie that served as the prelude to the Fed surrection lie.
They're telling us that this poor guy, you know, he suffered a tragic death, but it was a death of natural causes, as we've finally, as the media finally admitted.
But originally, they were saying, here's a Capitol police officer who was bludgeoned to death by the, you know, the rabid MAGA mob.
And then when it became clear that wasn't the case, that lie was no longer tenable.
They switched to saying, oh, he was, he died as a result of bear spray.
The MAGA mob sprayed him, and that's why he died.
Well, Revolver.news did a very detailed sort of comparative image analysis showing that the theory of the case presented by the New York Times in relation to the bear spray was false and they knew it was false.
It was a lie.
And so finally, they were forced to say, okay, guys, he died of natural causes.
But that was long after the narrative idea of January 6th being a deadly insurrection, deadly referring to the death of Officer Sicknick, congealed.
And it really reinforced what I originally titled the piece.
This was the first piece Revolver ever did on January 6th, MAGA blood libel.
And that's precisely what it was.
So I was very pleased to see the footage and see Tucker revisit the issue of Brian Sicknick.
And of course, there is footage of Ray Epps.
Tucker revealed January 6th committee caught in a lie and exposed one of the many discrepancies in Ray Epps' testimony to the January 6th committee that they went out of their way to cover up.
Anybody who looks at the January 6th committee's interrogation of Epps, there's one thing that sticks out like a sore thumb, and that's Adam Kinsinger, one of the leaders of the January 6th witch hunt.
He's never met a Trump supporter.
He doesn't want to see rotting away in prison for 50 years at least.
And yet, of all people, Adam Kinsinger is bending over backwards to offer the most implausibly charitable interpretation of lie after lie after lie that Ray Epps presents to this committee.
And so that was another highlight, I think, of Tucker's segment last night: reporting on one of those lies, literally caught on camera.
I say Ray Epps is like the shaggy of the January 6th insurrection.
It wasn't me.
Whoa, they caught you on camera.
Oh, it wasn't me.
They caught you over here on this camera.
It wasn't me.
It's ridiculous.
Time after time, piece of footage after piece of footage.
The segment last night, I think, came pretty close to putting a nail in the coffin of this false and unbelievably malicious and destructive narrative presented by the regime and the regime media about January 6th.
So I want to get, we'll get micro in the next segment, Darren, because there's so much I want to go through with you that you really know the details here.
But let's start macro.
Can you talk about why this is important?
Because our lovely audience, who I adore and I'm thankful for, I'd say one out of every three notes I'm getting right now is really cynicism.
This doesn't matter.
We've already known this.
This isn't important.
I disagree with that respectfully.
I think it's actually critical, it's mission critical to crack these lies and to go after the falsehoods and to shatter their deceit.
Can you talk a little bit about that, Darren?
How the narrative then becomes policy, the narrative becomes action.
Why is this important?
Well, it's important for one central reason, and that is we have to remind ourselves what's at stake.
The whole reason that the regime is promoting this lie, this false narrative of January 6, is they're using the lie to justify the weaponization of the national security state domestically, politically, against their political enemies.
What's at stake here is so long as they have this false narrative to point to, it makes it that much easier to throw you in prison for attending the next Trump rally.
It makes it that much easier for the FBI to knock on your door for a social media post that's pro-Trump.
They say, what is this?
This looks like it's getting a little bit too close to the guy that we're helping out.
Exactly.
What's that guy?
The guy that we just did a matching deal for?
Douglas Mackey.
Douglas Mackey.
Literally facing 10 years in prison for memes mocking Hillary Clinton in the 2016 election.
Everything that they're trying to do, from in that case, trying to codify the disinformation scam into the criminal code to the January 6th Fed surrection narrative, which again, it works on multiple levels.
On one level, it's an extension of the impeachment process, never-ending iteration of the impeachment process against Trump to cripple Trump's prospects politically.
But more broadly, the purpose is to completely kneecap and neutralize the energies associated with Trump's movement, or for that matter, with any organic political movement that questions and challenges the corrupt regime in which we live.
So there's so much at stake here in this narrative, and they've spent billions of dollars in reinforcing the false narrative.
So for people to say it's not significant for the biggest and most popular cable news show in the country to spend time presenting the truth and never before seeing footage of this, I think it's a tremendous victory.
This is something that the regime really hates more than anything else.
Well, and just to defend our scorned listeners, I mean that lovingly, they have been treated terribly because they're like, they're ahead of the curve, right?
They're a year ahead.
And they must understand, though, Darren, millions of Americans are not.
Like Elon Musk in real time is basically like, wow, I didn't know any of this.
In real time, I just want our audience to know that now you have the world's richest man who is live tweeting and basically like, this is unbelievable.
I had no idea.
This is incredible.
And for those of you in the audience, like, we had known this stuff.
No, no, no, you knew this stuff.
This is earth-shattering for people on their name.
30 seconds, Darren.
Yeah.
It takes a while for Reddit to catch up.
You're at the front lines.
If you're listening to Charlie Kirk, if you're reading Revolver, the rest of the country, it takes a, there's a long time lapse.
Charlie Turk and Revolver and Elon Musk.
That's right.
So once Elon gets there, though, it's important.
We want him to get there.
But this is what's so important is that we want Elon to get there, but it takes persistence.
Darren does the research, right?
We do it on this program.
We pressure the right lawmakers.
We pressure Kevin McCarthy.
And it takes months and eventually we get to a place where finally it can then get into the zeitgeist in a packaged, convincing, persuasive way.
And I'll just say one other thing that I think is really important.
For anyone that thinks this doesn't mean anything, why would Chuck Schumer address it from the Senate floor the morning after if it was just some sort of, you know, meaningless cable television segment?
So Darren, let me put it this way.
What do you think was the most valuable piece of evidence that Tucker aired last evening?
I'm going to stop short of what you learned because you kind of knew a lot of this.
But what do you think was the most valuable thing that is now in the public arena that was not there previously?
Well, I think his choice of examples is very well thought out because it really covers all the bases narratively of what we need to understand about January 6th.
So first, he showed footage indicating and reinforcing the fact that overwhelming majority of the people, even who went into the Capitol, remember, most people didn't go in from the crowd, but of the people who went in, they were more like sightseers.
Some were even kind of in awe of the experience of being able to go into the building.
And it was just a handful of people who committed acts of vandalism.
And Tucker did call that out.
So I think the footage that reinforces the understanding that this wasn't this, you know, violent kind of display of disrespect toward the cabin.
Many people were orderly.
They were in line.
They're just kind of looking around, probably don't understand why the cops opened the doors to let them in, which is, you know, another thing that we saw.
So that's one component.
The second component, as I spoke about earlier, was showing Brian Sicknick and thereby reminding people of that first sort of the original sin of the Fed surrection lie was the lies that the media told surrounding the death of Brian Sicknick.
So I thought he covered that very well.
And then thirdly, and most controversially, but perhaps most importantly, what Revolver is known for is he showed footage of Ray Epps, which represents the aspect of the Fed surrection of federal involvement, federal instigation, federal provocation.
And so I think he covered those three bases very well in the selection of footage presented last night.
I think that's right.
So I want to play just a piece of tape here.
We've been playing this, and I think it's really important.
But let's play Cut 50, montage of Ray Epps calling for people to go into the Capitol.
Did we learn anything about Ray Epps last night?
Sort of, I think is the answer.
Let's play Cut 50.
I don't even like to say it because I'll be arrested.
Well, let's not say it.
We need to, I'll say it.
All right.
We need to go in to the Capitol.
We need to go into the Capitol.
Tomorrow.
We need to go into the Capitol.
Into the Capitol.
So Darren, you're obviously familiar with all of that.
How does Ray Epps connect with what we learned on Tucker's program?
Well, as I was saying, Epps representatively illustrates the dimension of the January 6th story, according to which there were key critical actors without whose participation this rally would not have turned into a riot.
And Ray Epps is probably the most infamous of such actors.
And I think the clip that Tucker showed exposed a contradiction between Ray Epps' stated testimony to the committee and what he was actually doing.
And that underscores, I think, a very important dimension of this, which is Ray Epps is enjoying a phenomenal amount of protection, not only on the part of the Department of Justice, but on the January 6th committee and the media.
And this level of protection for someone who was the former president of the Arizona chapter of the Oath Keepers, the demonized militia group associated with January 6th.
Really?
Only person caught on camera demanding that people go into the Capitol in advance.
The person who was there everywhere in January 6th, telling people to go to the Capitol, who's on camera whispering in someone's ear right before that initial breach occurs, whose behavior was so egregious that he was one of the first 20 people added to the FBI's most wanted list on January 6th.
And all of a sudden, this guy becomes the only January 6th participant whom Adam Kinsinger will defend, about whom the New York Times will write a fully dedicated puff piece.
This dramatic reversal simply lends itself to no innocent explanation.
And that's why I've said in the past, and I think it's remains so, that Ray Epps is one of the two smoking guns of the Fed surrection, the other one being the pipe bomb case, which I've also spoken about.
You and I have been in agreement on the pipe bomb and it has just disappeared.
I wonder if there might be something Kevin McCarthy can release on that.
I don't know if it's on Capitol Grounds.
So that would...
It's not, unfortunately.
But maybe Jim Jordan, if he staffs up his committee, might be able to do that through the weaponization of government.
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NYT Virus Leak Story 00:12:04
We have Miranda Devine with us.
Miranda, welcome back to the program.
Congratulations on some very big stories recently.
The one that I want to start with is new emails show Dr. Fauci commissioned scientific paper in February 2020 to disprove Wuhan lab leak theory.
Miranda, this is a massive story.
We covered it yesterday briefly.
My immediate takeaway is that while COVID was growing and growing as a threat against America, Fauci was more concerned about covering up the origins of the virus than actually looking into therapeutics or best practices to save Americans' lives.
Do I understand that correctly?
That's certainly what it looks like.
And that is very sinister.
And you can see how deceptive he was with this particular paper is very telling because just a few weeks after he commissioned the paper and it was published, poo-pooing the virus, you know, lab leak theory, he stood up at the podium alongside then President Trump and told reporters about this paper, cited it as evidence that the virus did not leak from a lab,
and then sort of pretended that he was at arm's length from it, pretended that he didn't know who the authors were, but that he would make it available to journalists.
You know, this was part of a concerted effort to hose down that theory, which really was the most probable theory.
And as time goes on, more and more of the intelligence services are agreeing with that assessment.
So what was he trying to hide and why?
Well, that's the question I want to explore with you, Miranda, is the why.
We can only speculate, but based on your reporting and people you've talked to, why do you think Fauci was so focused?
And by the way, not just him, but Francis Collins pressured him to go even harder on trying to change the narrative or just the facts on where the virus came from.
Why was this such a big concern for them?
Because you have to remember that there's this Frankenstein form of research manipulating viruses that's called gain of function research.
And that had been banned by the, or there was a moratorium put on it by the Obama administration because there were a lot of scientists who were concerned that exactly what happened in Wuhan would happen, that there'd be this dangerous, man-made, man-manipulated virus would cause a pandemic.
And so the moratorium happened and Fauci and I presume his boss at the NIH, Collins, decided to get around that ban by outsourcing gain of function research elsewhere.
And they did that through a proxy, through a small, very bizarre nonprofit based in New York that did none of its own research that was run by an English, very bizarre guy called Peter Dazek.
He was very friendly with EcoHealth Alliance.
And, you know, we have photographs of Anthony Fauci with Peter Dasek.
They were very pally.
You can see lots of emails where he's sucking up to each other.
And Peter Dasek from EcoHealth Alliance was coordinating that research at the Wuhan lab.
You can see that.
And so when it went wrong, as it appears it did, and there was a leak, which led to the pandemic, of course, Anthony Fauci didn't want his fingerprints anywhere near it.
So he just, I believe, diverted eyes onto another route, which was the natural, you know, that it leaped from monkeys to pangolins or something.
So, Miranda, I want you to indulge my current theory here for a second, because you did and are, you have done and are doing currently, is a better way to say it, the best reporting on the Hunter Biden laptop.
Isn't it interesting, though, Miranda, that the playbook that was used for the Hunter Biden laptop seemed to actually have been used here, which is we get a bunch of people to write these expert-cited synthetic pieces of paper.
Oh, 50 experts say that the Hunter Biden laptop seems like Russian disinformation.
And it seems like it's the same blueprint, right?
Same playbook that was used, but now we're learning that it was actually perfected nine months earlier in February with COVID, and then it was used in October for the Hunter Biden laptop.
What are your thoughts on that?
Yeah, absolutely.
It's a template.
I mean, they used it.
That's a better word for it.
Yes, that's exactly right.
They used it with the Russia collusion hoax against Donald Trump.
And I think what it is, is that in order to convince a gullible media to run your dishonest narrative, you have to give them something concrete to base a story around.
So whether that's the fake letter from the 51 former Intel officials saying the laptop is Russian disinformation, whether it's a fake scientific paper that's been commissioned by Anthony Fauci without his fingerprints on it to claim that the Wuhan lab leak theory is bogus.
Whatever it is, they need some sort of, they need the disinformation laundered through a seemingly legitimate outlet.
Yeah, that's exactly right.
And what does it say, Miranda, is just a tangent on that, that we have so many hyper-credentialed elites that are gleeful to sign their name onto shoddy documents.
I mean, this is really something, isn't it?
And they don't apologize.
They're not held accountable, but it is a psychological operation tactic where people are more likely to believe Huffington Post that says 50 experts agree that it came from a bat.
It really, what does it say about the status and health of the integrity of our elites?
Well, you're absolutely right.
It's a psychological operation.
And we're also seeing the FBI and the intelligence services seemingly involved.
But I think, you know, really, the central problem, the only way you can really could have really fixed this is to have a proper media that was skeptical about, you know, there have always been attempts, these psyop, remember during Iraq, the Iraq war, and so on.
There always, there's disinformation by the government and they launder it various ways.
You need an honest media that's, you know, in the cliche speaking truth to power, that is skeptical, that goes to other sources, that doesn't just gullibly repeat the line from the government.
I think that's where we're in a really dangerous situation.
You have, people call it corporate media, but you basically have these co-opted former respected brands in media that are now just mouthpieces for the Democratic Party or the uni party.
Yeah, they're Democrat super PACs with newspapers, and that's basically what they've become.
And I don't think it's a sustainable business model.
I hope that the coming recession treats them harshly because these companies, they are doing such damage to the integrity of our country.
I want to get to another story here that you've been covering, Miranda, which is really important.
This other one here from the New York Post footage shows that Capital Cop Brian Sicknick uninjured on January 6th.
Tell us what we've learned and why does this matter?
Well, this is part of the footage that Speaker McCarthy, Kevin McCarthy, gave to Tucker Carlson.
He ran last night.
And it shows Brian Sicknick, who has been cynically co-opted by Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden as their kind of proof of a deadly insurrection on January 6th.
It shows him walking around perfectly healthy after the violence has finished on January 6th.
He's wearing a helmet.
So the story that he was beaten to death with, you know, fire extinguishers, which the New York Times only retracted sort of weeks after they'd made that story.
And I think what it shows you is that Brian Sicknick, who was a Trump supporter, whose memory has been sullied by being used as a weapon for the Democrats, I think it just puts a little bit more truth into that story.
He died of a stroke the following day.
He was perfectly appeared to be perfectly healthy in this surveillance footage.
It just confirms what we already know and confirms the lies that were told by the Democrats.
Yeah, and it's really troubling because one of the adjectives that was used repeatedly, Miranda, is deadly insurrection, deadly insurrection.
And if they're talking about Ashley Babbitt, yeah, this was a deadly insurrection, but it wasn't deadly in the way that they were talking, you know, or mentioning.
Miranda, thank you for your great work.
Any closing thoughts on that?
Oh, no, I was just going to say that the Democrats of January 5th community kept on talking about five police officers being killed.
That is just a lie.
You know, Sicknick looks like he died.
Well, the autopsy says he dies of a stroke the next day.
And then there were a number of Capitol Police officers who committed suicide in the ensuing weeks.
So why did that happen?
And what kind of pressure was being put on them by the Biden administration that they felt that that was the only thing they could do?
It's extraordinary.
Miranda Devine, thank you so much for your wonderful work.
New York Post, check her out.
Thank you so much.
Thanks, Sean.
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So there is a new story out of the New York Times, and I'm not really sure what to make of this.
It's possible the New York Times is actually telling the truth.
I have the New York Times right here.
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Every morning I'm reading the New York Times.
The paper of record.
I always get a kick out of it.
The New York Times.
All the news that's fit to print.
That's right there on the New York Times.
I get some really nasty emails.
Charlie, why do you read the New York Times?
Because I want to know what the intelligentsia is saying.
It's also the, I think it has the most circulation of any newspaper in the country.
Actually, the Wall Street Journal might have more.
But anyway, you should know what the other side is saying.
So the New York Times says new intelligence reviewed by U.S. officials suggests that a pro-Ukrainian group carried out the attack on the Nordstream pipeline last year, a step towards determining responsibility for an act of sabotage that has confounded investigators on both sides of the Atlantic for months.
CIA Pipeline Act of War 00:04:29
U.S. officials say they have no evidence.
They had no evidence that Zelensky of Ukraine or his top lieutenants were involved in the operation or that perpetrators were acting at the direction of any Ukraine government officials.
So they say any suggestion of Ukrainian involvement, whether direct or indirect, could upset the delicate balance between Ukraine and Germany.
Yeah, that's an understatement.
And so wouldn't it be easier if they just say the CIA did this instead of saying that a pro-Ukrainian group...
Now, I don't know for sure if the CIA did it or not.
It's unclear.
But this doesn't, this, what their statement, according to the New York Times, it doesn't, what's the word I'm looking for?
It doesn't invalidate or it doesn't exonerate the CIA at all.
By the way, this was a highly sophisticated operation.
This was done with Navy divers.
This was not just some sort of ragtag army of, hey, let's go bomb a pipeline.
This was something that was done with military precision.
And let me remind you that the implications of this is significant.
Now, more than 1,000 pounds of military-grade explosives were used by perpetrators.
1,000 pounds?
And again, I am no Navy, I'm no diving expert.
I don't quite, not even close, but to get 1,000 pounds underwater exactly where you need them to go, that sounds sophisticated.
That's not exactly something that a bunch of amateurs could do, based on everything I've read and everything that I understand.
It's more than 150 feet underwater, so it's way deeper than just recreational scuba diving.
And so it definitely have to be somebody that understands not just the pressure involved in that, which is significant, but how to move product, not just product, how to move a payload at 150 feet deep, and it goes right.
What is the width of the pipeline?
50 yards, maybe?
I mean, if it's 50 yards, that would be massive.
But what would the width of the pipeline be?
Not the length, the width.
I mean, so you have to get it right on there and 1,000 pounds.
So that means that this wouldn't be done with just a ragtag crew of three or four people.
It would probably be 10, 20, 30, 40 people.
And the ignition of the bomb was on delay.
And so it was done with military precision.
And so just based on the facts and circumstances that we now know, it does certainly limit the it shortens the list of suspects.
Let's put it that way.
So remember, German Chancellor Schulz was in DC last week, and the press was all in a tizzy because they didn't hold a joint press conference.
There was no pomp and circumstance, which is the norm.
Remember, Germany is supposed to be a big ally of ours.
Well, it's because Germany is really upset at Joe Biden.
Very upset.
And then this report comes out a few days later, putting distance between Joe Biden and an act of industrial terrorism.
I don't think so.
Look, we talk about our neighbors in Europe and our friends in Europe.
Let's not fool ourselves.
NATO is Germany and the United States.
The Euro is basically a German currency that has been renamed as the Euro.
This is not some investigative New York Times report.
This is an Intel agency press release, and they are in probably massive cover-up mode.
The CIA is.
I refuse to believe that the Central Intelligence Agency and Joe Biden were at least not aware of this operation.
I refuse to believe that.
I refuse to believe that they were not aware of what was happening with bombing a pipeline.
Was Congress informed?
No.
This is an act of war by somebody.
Somebody did this.
I still think the American government was highly involved.
And the CIA, they put out their own press release.
I don't trust the CIA, and you shouldn't either.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.
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