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March 8, 2023 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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The Most Important Election of 2023 with Cynthia Hughes and Justice Dan Kelley
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Saving Lives and Due Process 00:14:22
Hey, everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk show, a way you can help the January 6th defendants.
And then a very important Supreme Court seat in Wisconsin that we talk about.
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It's a very disturbing pattern of facts that are emerging regarding the January 6th defendants.
And someone who has dedicated her work really beautifully is Cynthia Hughes.
She is the author of a new book, Due Process Denied: The Detained, The Families, The Fallout.
And boy, is this newsy, given all the recent revelations that Tucker and Kevin McCarthy have made public.
And Cynthia joins us right now.
Cynthia, welcome to the program.
Hi, Charlie.
Thank you for having me back.
It's nice to see you.
Nice to see you again.
I also want to make sure everyone knows that the proceeds from the book and the docu series go to Patriot Freedom Project, and we'll talk more about that.
So Cynthia, why don't you reintroduce yourself to our audience and the important work that you're doing?
So my name is Cynthia Hughes.
I'm the founder of the Patriot Freedom Project.
I'm also a family member of a J6 defendant who is currently serving his prison time here in New Jersey at Fort Dix.
He spent a lot of time in the DC Gulag in solitary confinement, denied due process on nonviolent charges.
I think it's very important that we talk about that because a lot of people are still sitting in jail on nonviolent charges.
People have been sentenced to lengthy prison terms on nonviolent charges, like Julian Cater.
Some of the footage we saw last night on Officer Cycnic might have been helpful to Julian before he was forced into a very horrific plea deal and then eventually sentenced to six years in prison, where he's already been bounced around from different prisons since his sentencing.
And it's really, really very sad.
He's being sued by the government.
And, you know, we I just lost my lighting.
I'm sorry.
And, you know, and these are things that we, you know, we have to keep talking about.
And until we, until we see all the footage, we're not going to, you know, we're not going to be able to make informative decisions.
And none of these trials should be continuing.
And these people should be released until all of this video footage is, you know, is released.
And in our book, you know, Due Process Denied, and also our docuseries, which is also called Due Process Denied, you will see the fallout and the collateral damage to these families.
You know, we have a whole chapter in our book that's dedicated to the families.
And there's several stories about them and what they have been enduring.
And I assure you, Charlie, when you see this part one in our docuseries and you see some of these children, it's really going to tug at your heart.
It's very sad what has happened here.
So, Cynthia, let me ask, how many people, if any, are still in pre-trial detention?
Are there still people there?
Yes, there are still people in pre-trial detention.
It's been two years.
You're right.
You're right.
Let's talk about Jose Padilla.
Jose Padilla has been in the DC jail since January of 2021 or maybe February of 2021.
He has three sons.
His wife is now working two or three jobs and, you know, and the oldest boy is helping mom, you know, pay utility bills.
I just got a call from the family recently, just a few days ago.
One of their cars now has broken down.
If Patriot Freedom Project didn't exist and we didn't tell these stories through the book, Due Process Denied, that is, how would these people be able to keep their heads above water?
And Jose is not going to trial anytime soon.
Right now, it's set for May and it might get delayed again.
He's been denied bond and they still haven't had a visit with each other.
You're talking over two years that this man has been separated from his wife and his three incredible sons.
And he's not the only one in the DC jail that is still sitting in pretrial detention.
So what is he being charged with?
You know, he is being charged with a violent crime, but there's a lot of people, Charlie, that are being charged with a violent crime that did not commit violence that day.
Yeah, I believe that.
For example, I'm sure you're familiar with the very large Trump sign that, you know, there was a ton of people standing underneath and they were, you know, walking, you know, underneath it.
And Ray Epps, the famous Ray Epps, underneath that sign.
We're aware.
Yeah.
So lots of people have been charged with assault, you know, assault with a weapon, deadly weapon for just touching that sign.
Jonathan Copeland from Ohio, he's one of them.
Fortunately for him and his family, he's out on bonds, but he's facing, you know, he's facing a felony charge and that could result in a lot of jail time.
And, you know, I want to touch on Matthew Perna because when we got connected with Jonathan Copeland, he was in a very dark place.
And we connected him with counseling and he joined our, you know, our family group.
And we have, you know, we have weekly meetings and, you know, thank God for the support of the other family members.
He's been able to keep his head above water, you know, with his family, that is.
And it's just very horrific and very sad because the media doesn't talk about this part of it.
They talk about what happened on January 6th.
They talk about, you know, the overcharging and we need to hear about that.
And we leave that with people like Julie Kelly and you and Papa Bannon.
We need that covered.
But we also need covered where the fallout is.
And that is what the families.
And so that's why, you know, I decided it was really important to do some writing of what I have observed and witnessed and share these stories through our book, Due Process Deny.
So what I think is important for two things.
So all this footage, this 45,000 hours of footage, it might not necessarily pertain to every case, but it does help in context of sentencing.
And this is very important, is that a jury or a judge, a judge more specifically in sentencing, can factor in other circumstances because the judge has a lot of power in sentencing, right?
Okay, the jury, it's rigged, it's DC, whatever.
But the judge could say, hey, you get 30 days or you get 10 years, depending on sentencing guidelines.
And this now new footage that is out there, I mean, I wonder how Many people are in prison that would have much shorter sentences if this footage would have been made public earlier.
Is there an effort to try to go through this footage for people that are current defendants or to go through appeals?
What is the plan there?
Well, you have to, you bring up appeals.
You have to keep in mind and remember that a lot of these people that were forced into these really horrific plea deals, they're not going to get appeals.
No, I know.
You know, unless there's some kind of, you know, effort on part of these lawyers, which I know there will be and there could be, and there already is, you know, habeas corpus.
I don't know.
But, you know, I'll go back to Julian Cater.
I mean, he just was recently sentenced.
And I don't know if you know much about his sentencing, but I mean, there was a lot of credit.
Yeah.
There was probably, you know, 100 or more people, you know, in that courtroom.
Julian's family, George Tanios' family, could not even go to that sentencing.
The entire SickNick family was there, you know, basically trying to accuse, you know, these two men of murder.
I mean, the judge went on record and he literally had to, you know, tell the SickNick family that they could not really proceed with their statement because they weren't there for that kind of trial.
These men did not kill Officer Sicknick.
It's tragic what happened to him.
We know that it was, you know, natural causes.
And now we know even more.
We saw him walking around in the footage last night that Tucker aired.
And, you know, and now Julian is going to be six years in prison.
You know, George Tanios has, you know, three children, another one on the way.
He lost his business.
This is not okay.
People's lives are decimated by this.
And it's, everybody in this country should be talking about it.
So the website is patriotfreedomproject.com.
If you'd like to see the trailer to our docuseries, you can visit doprocessdenide.org.
And you can go to Amazon and you can buy our, you know, our new book, Do Process Denied, The Families, The Fallout of January 6th, and hear their stories.
A special chapter from Jerry Perna on the passing of her nephew, Matthew Perna.
It's a great read.
I really encourage everybody to go and purchase it.
Yeah, I was recently talking with a lefty and he said January 6th was the worst thing ever.
I said, how many people do you think are committed violent crimes?
He said, well, at least 4,000 people.
I mean, just to give you an idea of how crazy the lies are out there.
No, this is important because then they're able to do what they do because people believe this stuff and they come under this mass formation psychosis.
You have to push back against lies with the truth.
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Cynthia Hughes is with us.
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Cynthia, let me ask you: do you feel as if that more and more people are starting to care and wake up to the awful treatment and the injustice of these January 6th defendants?
Are you feeling hopeful?
I mean, you know, Charlie, you and I are both, you know, we're very faithful people, right?
So you have to, you have to have hope.
And that's the only way through, you know, a crisis like this, right?
Am I seeing a turn of the tide?
I mean, I guess maybe a little bit, but not as much as I would like to at this point.
You have fathers.
I was, you know, during our break and I was watching you in one of your interviews, you know, and hearing you talk about, you know, a father being absent from the home.
I mean, that's what we're seeing in a lot of these, in a lot of these families now.
You know, you're talking of a young man.
Let's talk about Jordan Mink, who is still sitting in the DC jail over two years now, just went through, you know, just got took his plea deal.
He's got a young son at home.
And, you know, his fiancé, she's a wonderful mother and they have great support, but you still have a young boy, a very impressionable age, separated from his father.
You're going to hear their story in the first installment of our docuseries, and you're going to see the pain in this family.
You know, a young boy who wants to be playing ball with his dad and going fishing and fishing and doing things that young boys should be doing with their fathers.
Same thing with the Padilla family.
You're going to see about them and you're going to hear from his boys in the docuseries as well.
You're talking three teenage boys separated from their father.
How do we fix this?
Can we fix this?
The damage is, I don't know if it's repairable at this point, Charlie, but we need to be talking about this.
It's important to talk about what happened on January 6th, why January 6th happened.
We know it was a total inside job.
We know who really is responsible for January 6th, but we need to start talking about the detriment to these families, to these women.
They're working two jobs.
There's health insurance that has been lost to these families.
There's so much fallout.
And we talk about that.
I hate to say it, Cynthia.
I think the cruelty is the point.
I really do.
No, meaning on the government's fault.
I think they want to show an example of lives destroyed and of people of a certain political worldview absolutely and totally crushed.
We're about to get this video, but a bunch of Republican senators were asked what they thought of Tucker's expose last evening, and they're not convinced.
Cruelty as a Political Point 00:03:28
In fact, Senator Tillis from North Carolina says, I think it's BS, and we'll play that clip.
And it's just, it's incredibly disappointing.
What is the best way people can help?
Financial support, obviously, buy the book, prayers, empower our audience, give them some calls to action.
So, you know, Charlie, it's not easy to stand up and, you know, and ask for money, but that's really what we need.
You know, let's talk about these lawyers, for example.
The separation and the time away from their wife, their home, their children.
You know, we have some lawyers, you know, Attorney McBride, you know, he's got two young children, babies.
You know, one was recently, you know, sick with a little ear infection and he wanted his daddy and Joe was working on a big case.
We have to support.
We have to help the lawyers.
We have to obviously, and most important, help the families, the children.
You know, we have a J6 kid that was just in the hospital for three weeks.
Something very tragic happened with this child, 11 years old.
And, you know, we were able to help that mom so she could take time off from work and pay her rent for her.
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Okay.
I want to play this piece of tape.
This is Senator Kramer, who says it's a lie.
We're live on radio in North Dakota, by the way.
This will make some news.
This is Senator Tim Tillis, Tom Tillis, who says it's BS.
Are your Republican senators reacting to Tucker Carlson?
Who needs Chuck U. Schumer when you have Republicans like this play cut 52?
Is this a lie?
I think it's bullshit.
I was down there and I saw maybe a few tourists, a few people who got caught up in things, but when you see police barricades breached, when you see police officers assaulted.
The Republicans are the ones that are pushing the narrative now.
Close out the argument, please.
I mean, the clip speaks for itself.
I mean, this is not a Democratic, you know, Republican thing.
This is a Trump thing.
This is forces to stop Trump at all costs.
And his supporters.
That's right.
And his supporters.
That's right.
The American people were used as bait.
January 6th was an absolute setup.
We all know it, Charlie.
And the American people, specifically Trump supporters, they were used as bait to try to keep President Trump from running for office again.
And we talk about that in our book and we talk about it in our docuseries.
Some important people are in our episode one, Patriot Freedom Project.
Thank you.
God bless you.
Everybody support them.
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Preserving the Rule of Law 00:11:10
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Wisconsin is one of my favorite places on the planet, having grown up in northern Illinois.
I love the Midwest, and I am very afraid the left is trying to complete a total takeover of the Midwest.
But Wisconsin values are strong.
They're pro-family.
They're pro-faith.
They're pro-liberty.
And there is an incredibly important Wisconsin Supreme Court race coming up that could determine the fate of the 2024 election as far as ballot harvesting and signature verification.
So joining us now is Daniel Kelly, who is running to become a justice on the Wisconsin Supreme Court.
He also served on the Wisconsin Supreme Court from 2016, 2020.
Mr. Kelly, welcome to the program.
Charlie, thank you so much for having me on your show.
I appreciate it.
Thank you.
So congratulations on getting through the primary.
Now you're in the general.
Tell our audience about your race and the stakes of this race.
Yeah, so it could hardly be higher.
This is going to be an election, I think, like no other, because I have an opponent like no other.
What's at stake here is the difference between the rule of law and the rule of January Proto-Sevas, my opponents.
See, she's made it abundantly clear that if she's elected, she intends to place herself above the law.
She's even gone so far as to say that she would place her thumb on the scales of justice to make sure that cases are resolved according to her personal values.
Now, Charlie, you know as well as I do that a thumb on the scale is the oldest picture of dishonesty that we have available to us in our culture.
It is profoundly dishonest.
And she's telling the people of Wisconsin in advance that she plans, if she makes it to the Supreme Court, she plans to be dishonest in the way she uses the authority the people of Wisconsin have loaned us on the Supreme Court.
And I think that's just a travesty, and it would be the end of justice in our judicial system.
Now, I know that the proper role of the court is simply to use the existing law to decide the cases that come before us without regard to personal values or personal politics.
That's how you preserve the rule of law.
But she wants to swap that out for the rule of Janet.
So let's dive deeper into this.
And that's Janet, impossible to pronounce last name, Pratasaowicz or whatever.
I'm looking at her.
Let's call her she who must not be named.
Yes, that's right.
So this is important because the constitutional order that we respect needs judges that do the opposite of putting their thumb on the scale.
That's right.
They see what the law is and then they interpret it.
They're prudent.
They are measured, but they're not biased.
You're trying to tell me your opponent has said vocally that she's going to use her position to try to get some form of, I guess they would call it equity or some sort of thumb on the scale.
Explain that, Mary.
It's an extraordinary thing for someone running for a Supreme Court seat to say.
It really is.
And this is why I say she's an opponent like no other.
I don't know of any judicial candidate in the history of the country who's come out and said that she would put her thumb on the scales of justice.
It's an amazing thing.
It is.
So her campaign is largely her talking about her political views.
And that's it.
I mean, there's nothing there about the role and function of the court in a constitutional construct.
There's nothing there about a judicial philosophy on how to handle the rule of law and constitutional provisions.
There's just nothing.
She's a politician dressed up like a judge, but she is no judge.
She would, she want, I mean, it appears to me that either she doesn't understand the distinction between the court and the legislature, or she just doesn't care.
I mean, in our constitutional form of government, we address political questions in the legislature.
Yes, right?
And in the courts, we address only legal questions.
So in this race, I'm the only one that's talking about the Constitution, the rule of law, how to handle constitutional principles, statutory construction, and all the work of an actual justice.
She's out there talking about the legislature's job, but promising people that she's going to do that on the court if they put her there.
So I just want to re-emphasize how important this race is.
This is Wisconsin, of which it is the battleground state of Battleground States.
And there is this Supreme Court seat that vacancy that needs to be filled.
I think it's a vacancy, right?
Because there is some.
Correct.
So this is interesting.
I'm just curious.
Why is it now that somebody resign or did something happen or why is the vacancy up now?
Sure.
So Pat Rogensack, who has served the state well for the last 20 years, this is the last year in her term and she's decided not to run for re-election.
And so the way our court is typically scored, it is a four to three constitutionalist versus activist.
Oh, wow.
And Pat Rogensack is one of those who understands her job is just to apply the law and not make it up as she goes along.
So this election, if it goes badly, could flip the court to an activist majority.
And given that my opponent has the endorsement of the three activists already on the court, one can be pretty certain of what would happen if she's successful.
So we're trying to make sure that doesn't happen because we need to preserve the rule of law.
We need to protect our liberties.
And we know that to do that, we need our Constitution.
I mean, I'm going through her website here, and she says, yeah, I want to take politics out of the courtroom.
And then you read the organizations that she publicly touts.
I mean, they're the most political organizations.
I'll just give you the Daily Costs, which is an incredibly far-left-wing activist website, Planned Parenthood.
She touts endorsements from the blue sky Waukesha from AFT Wisconsin.
I mean, are we sure she's not running for state senate?
I mean, it's certainly not.
Yeah, I'm not at all sure.
You know, when she says, it's remarkable to me, when she says, and she will say this frequently, that she's running to get politics out of the courtroom, and then she will immediately run down her list of political outcomes that she wants to achieve.
Now, I don't know who she thinks she's fooling with this, but it's not me, and it's not the rest of our fellow Wisconsinites.
So can you speak for a second to the amount of money that is flooding into this race?
I'm only speculating.
I imagine there are some out-of-state dollars flowing into this race.
Am I correct?
Yeah, in fact, her campaign is funded almost entirely by out-of-state money.
Get this.
96% of her contributions are from out-of-state.
96%.
So one of the things that's actually, in a way, encouraging to me because it tells me that my fellow Wisconsinites aren't buying this bill of goods that she's trying to sell.
Yeah.
So 96%, just how much money is being spent on this race?
Politico, by the way, has just called this the biggest election of 2023.
That is Politico.
They said this is the biggest election in the nation this calendar year.
Yeah, it's also the most expensive judicial race in the history of the country.
Now, think about that.
This here in Wisconsin, we're just minding our own business up here.
And, you know, we're, you know, we love it up here.
And our fellow Wisconsinites, they love their liberties.
They love their Constitution.
And we're just going about our business.
And then the rest of the country pours in, makes this the most expensive judicial race in the history of the country.
And they're doing it in an effort to turn our court into a haven for judicial activism.
So four lawyers, four progressive lawyers sitting in a Madison courtroom can dictate to the people of Wisconsin what their laws are going to be.
Now, I find that incredibly condescending to my fellow Wisconsinites.
What they're saying is they don't trust Wisconsinites to develop their own laws in conjunction with the legislature.
They instead believe that their job on the court is to look down their nose to the rest of our fellow Wisconsinites and dictate to them what their laws can and cannot be.
So let me ask you just for a second here, how much money is being spent on this race?
What's the ballpark?
So I think we are up in the 10 million, 12 million.
That's unbelievable for a Wisconsin Supreme Court seat.
That used to be what we would spend on Senate races.
Now Senate races are 100, 100 million minimum.
Right.
Yeah, it is.
It is.
Now, here's the other part of this, you know, that all that money that's coming in, of course, she's using that for ads.
And, you know, I'm not terribly concerned about that.
I want all of our fellow Wisconsinites to hear the garbage that she's trying to pitch because I'm betting that folks here, they still do love their liberties.
They love their Constitution.
And they don't appreciate having a leadist looking down their nose at them, telling them what their laws need to be.
And the more that gets around the state of Wisconsin, the better.
She's also made sure to let people know that she's an anti-Christian bigot.
And this is another thing that just absolutely shocks me.
So she has criticized me for attending a Christian law school.
And she says that, yeah, no, it's dead on serious.
And it's not even a slip of the tongue.
She's done it twice.
And she says this raises serious red flags about my ability to serve the public in state office.
Now, first off, of course, that's it's just laughable on its face because I've already served the people of Wisconsin as one of their Supreme Court justices.
Yeah.
And I've been told that I did a fine job.
Thank you very much.
But beyond that, it is outrageous because, as with the United States Constitution, our Constitution also has a provision that says that there shall be no religious tasks for public office.
It's Article 1, Section 19.
And so she either, I mean, I don't know how to score this.
Maybe she's never read our Constitution.
I think that's a distinct possibility.
Or maybe having read it, she didn't understand what Article 1, Section 19 says.
Or maybe having read it and understood it, she just doesn't care what it says.
But that's what she is.
How can people support your race?
What is the website?
Demanding Answers from Schumer 00:05:19
Thank you so much for asking that question.
It's justicedanielkelly.com.
Now, I spell it the proper way: Kelly is K-E-L-L-Y.
There are some who put an extra E in there, but none of that for us.
So, justiced.com.
I love Wisconsin, and I share your trust in their inevitable weighing of both options and final judgment.
The people of Wisconsin tend to deliver in situations like this.
They certainly did with Ron Johnson.
They did with Governor Walker a couple of times in the last decade, and I sure hope they do in your race.
Please come on again soon.
April 4th is the date we have to focus on this.
Thank you so much.
My pleasure, Charlie.
Thank you so much.
I appreciate this.
Boy, has Tucker Carlson successfully been able to shake the Matrix.
Operation Mockingbird is in full court press mode.
They are fully deployed.
The turtle, Chuck U. Schumer, Whoopee Goldberg, they are all saying the same thing.
They are in a meltdown because of what Tucker Carlson decided to do.
And he says, More's coming.
More's coming.
What is so, it's Whoopi Goldberg, especially.
I got a, I gotta, this one's so funny.
She says, Tucker Carlson is George Orwell 1984 because he's showing us more about what happened on January 6th.
In her mind, the truth won't set you free.
The truth will blind you.
And yet, Tucker's the Orwellian one.
Play Cut 55.
Last night, Tucker Carlson took a page from George Olwell's 1984 and told his viewers to reject the evidence of their eyes and ears.
You know, I don't know what he's playing at, but people saw what they saw.
They saw what they saw and they've seen what's gone down with it.
And no matter what, you can't put this monkey back in the cage.
They saw what they saw, and they seen what they saw, and they saw what they seen.
How many different versions of the verb saw can you use?
And they cite what they saw when they seen, and they saw what they saw with their eyes, and seeing what they seen.
They cite, what did you just say?
It's a complete meltdown.
Cut 54, the turtle.
He holds up some sworn affidavit from the Capitol Police as if this is persuasive.
No, no, no.
I want an answer from the turtle.
I want an answer from Chuck Hugh Schumer.
I want an answer from any one of them.
What about the fact that Capitol Police acted as docents to the man that was plastered over every major newspaper as some violent insurrectionist?
PlayCut 54.
It was a mistake, in my view, for Fox News to depict this in a way that's completely at variance with what our chief law enforcement official here at Capitol thinks.
Okay, did your chief law enforcement official mention the fact that nine of his Capitol police were tour guides to the insurrectionists?
That's a pretty amazing piece of evidence, isn't it?
And then Republican after Republican after Republican says it's BS, it's nonsense.
There's nothing here.
Tom Tillis, Kevin Kramer.
Yeah, play that one.
Play the Kevin Kramer one again.
Is this a lie?
I think it's bull.
I was down there, and I saw maybe a few tourists, a few people who got caught up in things.
But when you see police barricades breached, when you see police officers assaulted, and Chuck Hugh Schumer just going all in saying, you know what?
We just got to ban Tucker Carlson from TV.
Not banned, but we got to prevent him.
He should not be allowed to broadcast anymore.
Tucker Carlson has these people really nervous.
This shows how critical the January 6th narrative is to all the Uniparty goals.
And he's getting right after it.
And you know who's really getting a lot of phone calls right now?
Kevin McCarthy's probably getting a lot of phone calls.
He did the right thing here.
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Tucker Carlson is a propagandist publicly pretending to be a newsman.
We know that we know that Fox News knows that Rupert Murdoch knows and that he knows that they're liars, that they're propagandists, that they're destroying America for some kind of monetary or other advantage.
We're going to stay on this story.
Tucker Carlson is teasing more video, more footage, more revelations, and they're nervous.
They're running.
I mean, this is like the fourth press conference they've done on this topic.
They do one in the hall.
They do one in the rotunda.
They do one.
They're deploying the people on TV.
They're everywhere because they're nervous that the big lie that our government was almost taken over by insurrectionists, it's falling apart.
It is eroding.
It is shattering.
And that is a good thing for America.
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