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Feb. 24, 2023 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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Tale of the J6 Tapes with Darren Beattie, Savanah Hernandez, Tyler Bowyer, and Jenny Beth Martin
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Turn Off The Camera 00:11:04
Hey, everybody, Tan the Charlie Kirk Show.
Turning Point USA's Frontlines asks questions of Pete Budajej and gets told to turn off the camera.
Darren Beattie talks about January 6th and the January 6th tapes.
Tyler Boyer joins us with Jenny Beth Martin from Tea Party Patriots.
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Joining us now is Savannah Hernandez.
She has the most viral content right now regarding anything political, East Palestine, you name it, because she decided to go ask Budajej questions.
And the press secretary did not like that at all.
Savannah, welcome to the program.
And Savannah is with our Turning Point USA Frontlines project.
And you guys can check out Savannah's social media.
I'll get all the handles here.
Savannah, I never thought it would be so hard to get questions from a press secretary.
Tell us about it.
Yeah, Charlie.
So, of course, we know that Pete Buttigieg decided to come to East Palestine almost three weeks post-training derailment.
We had former President Donald Trump here yesterday.
We were here talking to him.
And a lot of people were already criticizing Budajeg because they asked the question, why did it take President Trump getting here for you to come?
So, you know, there was already a lot of around this trip.
And I'll simply ask him as well what he planned to do to help the residents of East Palestine if he had an apology for them because of the fact that they've been left in the dark, the fact that they have had no federal assistance.
Okay.
I mean, actually, I don't want to be fake news here, Charlie.
They do have FEMA teams here, but per the mayor, they just came this past weekend.
So again, that federal assistance came very slowly.
So I wanted to ask Pete Buttigieg about that.
Of course, he walked away.
And then his press secretary told me that I was being aggressive for trying to ask questions regarding, you know, transparency around this entire crisis that's happened here.
Yeah, it's just amazing, honestly.
They're so unprepared.
They've never been asked critical questions ever.
Let's play some of these, this piece of tape here.
And it's just amazing.
Here is your interaction with the press secretary where they say, turn off the camera.
Like, I'm the press secretary.
I only answer questions if I'm not on the record.
It's just remarkable.
Play cut 91.
So, can we ask why it took him almost three weeks to get here?
I'm sorry, I don't want to do this on camera.
Well, if you're the press secretary of the secretary of the Department of Transportation, don't you think you should be able to ask questions from the American public that you serve?
I would like to do it without the camera on.
Can I ask why?
That is a little bit aggressive.
That's why it's not.
Why is it aggressive?
Without the camera on Savannah, I've never heard of a press secretary demanding people to turn off cameras.
Your thoughts?
You know, I feel like this is just modern-day America, and that's your average Democrat press secretary, if we're being honest here.
You know, they don't want the transparency for the public, they don't want people to really know what's going on, and that's why it was even so difficult for us to get questions answered regarding what's been going on over here.
So it was just funny to me, too, because the security that was protecting this area was trying to tell me, Hey, you can't film her because she's asking not to be filmed.
And the local police here, for the first time in my journalistic career, actually defended my ability to film in public and said, Well, the press secretary can walk away.
She even asked the press secretary if she wanted to go inside, to which she responded, No, I'm fine out here.
Um, we also had a daily caller reporter on the scene because let's not forget that the caller went and confronted Pete Buttigieg in DC.
And Budajej responded by taking a photo of their young female journalist in the middle of the night.
So, you know, it was just absolutely incredible to see the response here.
And the Daily Caller reporter went and asked the press secretary questions off camera.
And guess what?
There was still no response.
So I want to play another piece of tape here of you just trying to get a question out of Pete Budajej, play cut 99.
The American public doesn't seem to be very confident in your ability to do your job.
Will you be resigning anytime soon?
I'm not here for politics.
I'm here to make sure the community can get what they need.
Will you apologize?
Will you apologize for the response?
For the slow response, taking your time.
Let's go in here and get away.
That is another one of our Turning Point USA front lines reporters.
Kaylin does an amazing job.
And it just strikes me, Savannah, there's just the media never asks the tough questions to these people.
And Turning Point USA, we go up.
It's not political.
We're just asking questions.
Why is that?
Well, you know what?
There is a very big problem with transparency and actually holding our public officials accountable.
So Kaylin initially asked that question, and then Budajej came out, and I was able to ask him more questions as well.
And mine was, hey, you know, you initially said that there were a thousand trained around this every single year in response to East Palestine.
Do you stand by those comments?
Do you want to apologize?
Is that okay with you?
And how do you plan to fix that?
To which he responded, he thinks that he did a great job responding to what has happened here.
He said, well, you know, I would refer you to the, you know, the recent railroad.
I don't even remember what he said.
He was just like, I'll refer you to this.
And I said, no, tell me the points right now.
The American people want to know.
And I am here on the ground on behalf of the American people that you continue to ignore.
And again, you know, the media, they'll throw these softball questions at these politicians, but it's so important for us to actually, you know, ask them and say, hey, what is your legitimate answer and response to this?
Because people are being sacrificed as a direct result of the slow response by the federal government.
I mean, people's lives, children's lives are at risk here on the ground today.
And it's very heartbreaking to see Americans abandoned.
I want to play cut 81.
Let's throw to that.
Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg did make it clear that he should have gone there sooner.
And let's just put a pin on that.
He should have gone there sooner.
And the White House should have done a better job.
The people of East Palestine need to feel seen and heard.
These are people who right now are very uncertain about their health and the future of their town.
And it is definitely a little bit of a bump for the White House to not make sure they shined a big light on what was happening there.
A little bit of a bump.
And then cut 83.
They continue.
They're saying it shouldn't have taken this long, cut 83.
Tonight, the EPA, the Environmental Protection Agency, is on the ground in Ohio.
The move follows three weeks of angry pleas from residents of East Palestine that the company, the agency, and the president of the United States are simply not doing enough.
They're not.
And we're just asking questions.
Savannah Hernandez is on the ground with the whole Frontlines team, and they're doing the type of work that is necessary.
This is not conservative work.
This is not liberal work.
This is educational work.
We're just going to ask questions.
By the way, we're asking why it took so long.
And we have now been attacked personally by Buddha Judge's partner, Chastin, for being spreaders of disinformation.
I think we lost Savannah for a second here.
And so if we get her back, great.
But the work that Turning Point USA is doing is legitimate journalism that has now been seen by over a million people.
The press secretary says we have to, you got to turn off the camera.
Like, we're happy to talk to you, but you got to turn off the camera.
Busted.
Email us, freedom at charliekirk.com.
These people cannot answer basic questions.
And by the way, we're only going to, we're only going to expand Turning Point USA Frontlines.
We had this idea because I said to our team, I said, we have the energy, we have the spirit, we have the talent.
We got Drew Hernandez, we got Savannah Hernandez, got Kaylin, got these amazing guys.
And let's just go ask questions.
Go find a powerful person and ask questions.
Let the truth be our guide always.
If they have good answers, then fine.
There's no political agenda.
Just go into the streets outside of these kind of pre-produced, very highly scripted, artificial press conferences, and then just ask him, why did it take you so long?
By the way, this is what CNN, MSNBC, they do this full-time to our side.
Remember, they follow George Santos around, they follow McCarthy around, they follow Gates around.
They do this nonstop.
They'll never do it to their own.
And all we're doing is asking very basic questions that demand answers.
I'm very proud of Turning Point USA for doing this.
And look, they want you to be able to turn off the cameras.
I am hopeful that the work that Turning Point USA's Frontlines is doing is going to significantly uncover a lot of corruption.
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And that is great work.
You add that to the incredible campus work that we're doing, amongst many other things.
It really is exciting.
Today was a big win for the truth.
Just get her on camera.
Can you turn off the camera?
Can you just turn it off?
What?
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Darren Beatty is with us.
Darren, welcome back to the program.
Darren, January 6th tapes.
I have no idea your opinion of this, but Tucker Carlson is getting access to the tapes.
Do you think this is good?
Is this enough?
Your thoughts, Darren, the floor is yours.
Well, I think it's clearly very good in the sense that it's better that Tucker Carlson and others have access to this footage than not.
And I think the key here, though, is there's so much footage.
What we want to avoid is this kind of situation where Kevin McCarthy offers this sort of needle in a haystack proposition.
position as a consolation prize.
And basically, that's the end of the political capital because there's a long process leading up to McCarthy getting the position that he did.
And there's some kind of implicit arrangement or understanding that McCarthy is going to play ball on some issues.
And so given the enormity of how many tapes there are, the worst case scenario is it's just the needle in the haystack thing.
It's like, here's your 40,000 hours, good luck type of situation.
It takes months and who knows what's in it.
And in the meantime, everyone else just moves on and Kevin McCarthy moves on.
I think, though, if it's treated strategically, it can actually be quite important.
And in order to do that, we really need to be narrow and targeted and specific with what we're looking at.
And I've said publicly that the two places to look at, and you want to look at, of course, any footage that exists that could help enlighten the situation regarding the pipe bomber.
But perhaps more optimistically, since the pipe bomber thing was more at the DNC and I think the Capitol Police have some cameras around there, but maybe not as many, not as good as the DNC ones.
But where you can really get some leverage out of this is examining the footage around the peace monument.
That's the position right around the western perimeter of the Capitol where that initial and decisive Ray Epps breach occurred.
And the reason that that's such an important place to look at, you know, specifically between time of, say, 10 a.m. and when the breach occurred around 1252, is that that's where, as we showed in Revolver, that's where that curious cast of characters, the handful of critical actors who played a decisive role in turning that rally into a riot,
critical actors who have not been indicted and in many cases haven't even been identified, we can learn more about them.
And specifically, the now infamous and mysterious scaffold commander, the fence cutter bulwark, and other characters who haven't been identified because there's not a lot of great footage available on them.
The Capitol police footage could, if we get clear and close shots of some of these people, could lead to the positive identification, which could be an absolute game changer.
So, Darren, there's so many different angles I want to unpack with you.
But did you say 41,000 hours?
I just want to make sure I heard you correctly, not 14,000.
Oh, I mean, however many, however many thousands of hours.
The point is that the downside risk here is just to get so overwhelmed by the enormity of information that it serves as a kind of indefinite distraction.
I'm glad that Tucker's getting access.
My fear is that that is way too much for any team.
I publicly volunteer, just from an educational standpoint, any of our staff that will fly out just to help sift through that and just be like, oh, that's interesting, just because you need eyeballs on it.
Darren, so I want to play some of this tape here about the tapes being shared.
Let's play Cut 67 of MSNBC melting down about the tapes getting shared.
Play Cut 67.
It's the people's house.
Those are the people's tapes.
Those tapes and cameras are paid for by taxpayer money.
What he did is absolutely partisan, using material that's owned by the American public and giving it to a partisan news organization that will look at it to support its own particular viewpoint.
That's really a sacrilege.
So, Darren, partisanship is now the issue.
The January 6th Committee was one of the most partisan organizations ever assembled in Congress.
Your thoughts?
Absolutely.
First of all, I have to say something about that specific commentator who is an interesting character in his own regard.
That's Rick Stengel.
He is the self-described chief, former chief propagandist of the Obama presidency.
He ran the State Department's Global Engagement Center, which is sort of the propaganda unit within the State Department that's tasked with pushing American propaganda out overseas.
The only thing is, he played a pivotal role in redirecting the propaganda domestically and in basically establishing this now infamous disinformation industry that's played such a key role in suppressing our First Amendment rights.
He's written about reimagining the First Amendment so it's to ban hate speech, which of course means speech that he hates, among other things.
So he's a particularly scandalous and malicious individual.
So it's no surprise that he's here complaining about the footage being released to Tucker, which I think was a great decision to release it to Tucker.
But in a way, maybe, you know, would Stengel be happier if the footage were simply released to the public?
I don't see any harm in it being released to the public, but is that really the issue with Stengel?
He's saying it's the people's stuff.
It's the people's footage.
Okay, release all the footage to the public so we can crowdsource and get into this footage and see what's actually relevant.
What he wants is not the footage being released to the public.
It's certainly not it being released to Tucker Carlson.
What he wants is for the regime, for the corrupt national security establishment and their Democrat allies to have exclusive control of this narrative and exclusive possession of this footage.
So I saw this piece of tape.
Somebody sent it to me on our kind of show prep, and I watched this tape 10 times, Darren.
And I'm sure you saw it.
It's just in the last couple of days.
I don't know where it came from.
You would probably know, but it is a police body cam footage on January 6th of a police officer riding a bicycle.
And he approaches a bunch of people that look like Trump voters and Trump supporters.
They exchange some words.
And guess what?
Every one of the Trump supporters take out their federal identification.
Watch this.
Play Cut 100.
Hey, how are you guys doing?
Quick question.
Give me a second.
Who's doing a little investigation?
Actually disrespectfully.
Is anyone on anyone on the square?
Oh, police.
Police.
Yeah, law enforcement.
Okay.
Appreciate it.
Appreciate it.
That's all.
You got to do a little bit better, huh?
Darren, where did this video come from?
I think it was only the beginning of asking how many feds were actually in the crowd that day.
Yeah, it's almost to the point where we were wondering, were there any people who weren't involved with federal agencies?
It's quite something.
I'm not sure actually of the provenance of that video, but it certainly raises some questions.
There's other video recently circulating on Twitter showing apparent DC metro police officers in a kind of similarly undercover type position, inciting the crowd.
And then, of course, there's the Rogues Gallery with which we're already quite familiar.
But, you know, the Ray Eps types and those handful of critical actors who are pre-positioned right at the peace monument.
I don't know if they're going to be able to suppress this information even further.
It looks like the dam is about to break.
And again, it's the narrative that we already know.
We already know that the crowd was infiltrated to an extreme degree, that the militia groups that they blame for it were also infiltrated to an extreme degree.
So I know you know Tucker well and you communicate with them, but share with our audience if you can.
So you have this 14,000, 40,000.
Okay, so that's an enormous amount of footage, okay?
But Darren, you're the expert.
Where should they start?
What should they be looking for?
Assuming that some of this footage is not just randomly put together, that maybe there is some, you know, there's some rhythm to it, meaning that maybe it's put together consecutively by certain angles.
Okay, so, but, Darren, you probably kind of at this point have at least narrowed the one to two percent of where you think there could be something.
What should I be looking for?
What time, what angles, what place?
You know, what, where do you think they should really focus as a starting point?
Absolutely.
And it's a crucial question because, like I said, the alternative is the possibility of being completely overwhelmed and bogged down indefinitely, given the sheer amount of information.
And we don't want, you know, to be wading through these thousands and thousands of hours.
And meanwhile, everyone else moves on and there's a missed opportunity.
That's why focus and precision are so important here.
And as to what we should focus on, it's as I stated earlier before the break, there are two things.
One is the DNC pipe bomb situation.
I think this is definitely worth a shot to see if there's any of the Capitol police footage can help shed light on this.
It's probably not going to get as much mileage as we'd get if we actually had the DNC footage.
And I've been calling for a long time.
You know, we've reported on the pipe bomb extensively.
We proved the FBI tampered with the footage they released.
They've censored the footage.
I've been calling for the full chain of custody of the DNC footage and the full raw and unedited DNC footage.
Unfortunately, that's not included in the Capitol Police footage, but still they probably have cameras nearby and they're worth a close look.
Secondly, and perhaps most importantly, again, is what I was saying earlier.
Look at all of the footage around the peace monument on the morning of January 6th.
What do you mean?
Where is the peace monument?
Sorry.
It's on the west side of the Capitol.
It's right near the western perimeter of the Capitol, where that initial and decisive Ray Eps breach occurred.
And the reason that's so significant is in the now classic Meet Ray Eps part 2 revolver piece, we go through in detail the cast of characters who were all conveniently pre-positioned right at that breach site before the Proud Boys even got there.
And these people that we cover, many of whom have never been positively identified due to lack of clear footage, these people played a key role in turning this rally into a riot, whether by cutting fences, whether by positioning themselves on top of scaffolding in order to direct the crowd to move forward and go into the Capitol.
Key players here who, unlike even EPS, have never even been identified.
Like, for instance, the scaffold commander, whom I've talked about on this program before.
A close and careful observation of all the capital police's footage of that peace monument area from say beginning with 10 o'clock all the way up to say 12:30 or 12:50 when the breach occurred.
That if it could yield some high-quality footage of some of these as of yet unidentified characters, the results could be explosive and game-changing.
I think that's really clear.
And so, final question, Darren.
Strategically, if we're running into just a labor impasse, we can't get through it.
Is there an argument just to democratize this and upload it on Reddit and just let the internet do what the internet does?
You know, that's been my default position when it comes to all of these things.
I'd say just kind of WikiLeaks said, Crowdsource it, right?
Yeah, outsource it, leave it out to the public.
I think Elon should have done that with Twitter files.
I agree.
And in this case, you know, what's to lose?
And then, you know, it preempts these disingenuous arguments like from Obama's chief propagandist, Rick Stengel, when he says, Oh, this is the people's footage.
This is the people's footage.
Okay, call the bluff, release it to the public, and see him scream even louder.
Yeah, by the way, the response is for him to have it and nobody else.
Okay, so they compare January 6th to the Civil War and they call it an insurrection.
If it's indeed that, then they should have zero fear to have 41,000 hours of the insurrection made public.
That should only strengthen their argument.
That should only make them, you know, more powerful to be able to build a new security state.
But instead, there's a lot of anxiety throughout the regime that the more information about it, it actually might weaken their narrative.
All right, Darren, thank you so much.
Imagine if there was video footage of Britain in the War of 1812 burning down the White House.
That would probably animate many Americans.
That's what they've compared this to.
But instead, they're pretty nervous.
I wonder why.
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We have Jenny Beth Martin from Tea Party Patriots website: teapartypatriots.org.
And then Tyler Boyer, you guys all know Tyler, turning point action.
But Jenny Beth, tell us about the work you're doing at Tea Party Patriots.
Well, the last two years we're focused on securing elections.
And on the conservative, in the conservative movement, we had an amazing coalition of groups working together to make sure that we can enact election integrity.
The next two years, we have to secure elections, and we've got to replicate that same kind of coalition to win elections.
That's what Tyler and I have been talking about.
Is the RNC doing any of this, Tyler?
Look, we need a lot more outside the RNC doing this work.
And so everybody's got to come together on the grassroots side in order to actually move the needle on organizing grassroots activism.
The grassroots don't know who to trust, and we need to give them vehicles and infrastructure with messaging that resonates with them that isn't trying to just give them $10 to go support Lindsey Graham's adventures for the NRSC.
10 seconds.
We need to fund the good groups that people trust, and they trust the Tea Party, and they trust Turning Point, and they trust a number of us that are out there.
And that trust has been earned over the years, Tea Party especially.
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We're going to talk about action, action, action.
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Jenny Beth, the grassroots, they feel lied to, deceived.
They're really scorned for good reason.
How do we organize the grassroots to positive, meaningful, measurable action in 2024?
I think one of the biggest things that we have to do is make sure that the groups who are doing good work are working together and building a coalition to help bring the grassroots in, train the grassroots, and then activate the grassroots so they can go take meaningful action.
That's what we try to do at Tea Party Patriots.
We try to take all that passion and emotion about energies and about issues and turn it into meaningful action.
We did that with election integrity over the last two years.
And a lot of groups in the conservative movement came together and built an amazing coalition.
So we secured elections, except for in Arizona, we're not at all.
And then so we've got to focus on securing elections in the next two years and winning.
We have to win elections as well.
Tyler.
Yeah.
And that's really the message that we're having, which is two-sided, right?
Which is we've got to take out the people getting in the way of securing elections, which is what we did here in Arizona after they didn't do it.
Yes.
Rusty Bowers.
But I mean, look, you have the second part, which is you still got to win.
Right.
And if you're going to trust the establishment, old school, you know, the Republican patriarchy, as we call it, if you trust that oligarchy, the patriarch, the patriarchy.
And obviously, we're staying that tug-in-cheek, just joking.
But I mean, you're not going to win because we've lost numerous elections that way of just trusting the process.
And so you have to have these groups come in on the outside.
And this is what the left does really well, right?
So the message that I've been blasting to people, the left has the infrastructure of C3s and C4s.
They're well-funded.
They do the grunt work, right?
Because they're actually ears to the ground in the states and communities winning elections from everything from dog catcher all the way to these U.S. Senate rates.
Let's get action items.
Let's just start with this.
There's an incredible amount of email solicitations that are sent out by the DC scummy consultants that our audience gets to double match, triple donate.
They got to stop giving money to these people.
Yeah.
You can like.
Stop giving money to the RNC.
Stop giving money to the NRSC.
Stop giving money to all these people.
Yeah, they're like, cut them off.
You can come tour Trump's, you know.
It's such a joke, Jenny Beth.
There are groups that are doing real and meaningful work, and they need donations so that they can make a difference.
It's not just Tea Party Patriots and Turning Point, which do amazing work, but Conservative Partnership Institute did great work.
You've got Freedom Works does great work.
There are a lot of groups who do a lot of great work.
Students for Life, there are groups who do great work, and we need to be supporting them.
So the grassroots, they say that what do I do?
I mean, I have a sign right behind me.
This is a great segue, Tyler.
I've been talking about this all month.
Everybody listening, tpaction.com.
I don't want to hear a complaint if you are not a precinct leader.
It's that simple.
tpaction.com.
Tyler, what is a precinct leader?
Look, everybody has to get involved at the local level.
You and I hear more complaints from people about like, oh, I'm so mad at this.
And we see it on Twitter.
We have a whole inbox of it.
And the number one thing is like, well, did you show up to your central committee meeting?
Have you become an official?
The Republican Party is just a party.
It's like a party party, right?
Where it's like a party is great when the right people show up to it, right?
Right.
And the fact is, is that most of the case in most places where you probably are located, the wrong people are just the only ones showing up to the party.
So you've got to get involved.
How do you get involved?
You become a precinct leader.
That's a precinct committeeman, a precinct captain, a precinct chair, slightly different nomenclature in every state.
But you can go to tpaction.com/slash PC, get involved, or tpaction.com slash get involved.
The time commitment is a couple hours, a quarter, maybe.
And here's the deal: it's two major functions.
You decide who becomes the GOP leadership, then.
And then, second, that's the crux for getting involved and knocking doors and actually making sure ballots get in and our voters show up.
That's right.
I went to my precinct meeting back in 1994, and within three or four weeks, I was heading up the platform committee for my county.
So there are a lot of opportunities, but they need people to volunteer, but you can't do it if you don't show up at the party level.
One of the things we've been talking about as we move into elections next year is that we've got to be very innovative with how we get out the vote.
We've got to make sure that we're tracking ballots, that we're chasing ballots, and that if people have decided they're voting by mail, that we're making sure that our voters are turning those ballots back in and actually casting their votes.
Well, and because of this, ballot tracking is election integrity, right?
That's right.
There is no, and this is like one of the misnomers is like, oh, well, chasing ballots, early voting.
Guys, if you're not putting eyes on who's voting in real time, how are you going to catch fraud?
How are you going to catch inconsistencies?
How are you going to catch issues, right?
That's how we're missing that vote because we're not doing that work.
And we need the tens of millions of dollars in their key target states in order to do that.
Charlie?
Check it out.
tpaction.com, teapartypatriots.org.
Look, you have to become a precinct leader.
Someone said in Tennessee, they don't have it.
Get involved in the local level.
There's an equivalent to it.
Okay.
It's just a vocabulary issue.
Get involved in the local level.
Tpartypatriots.org, tpaction.com.
Wish we have more time, guys.
Thank you, Charlie.
And God bless you.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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Thank you so much for listening, and God bless.
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