If Parents Won't Stop Perverts, Who Will? with Riley Gaines and Pedro Gonzalez
Riley Gaines is one of the country's top female collegiate swimmers, but her career has been sadly overshadowed by the sick sex fetishes of phony "woman" Lia Thomas. Riley joins to discuss the backlash and threats she has faced for telling the truth about Thomas and for trying to keep men out of female changing rooms. Charlie responds with thoughts about the plague of male cowardice. Plus, Pedro Gonzalez joins from East Palestine, Ohio for a wide-ranging discussion about why small towns must be protected instead of abandoned, and Nikki Haley's chances of becoming president.Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Trauma and the Midwest Narrative00:15:22
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Pedro Gonzalez was just on the ground in East Palestine, Ohio, and he has a lot to share with us about what he learned and what this means for our political environment and more.
Pedro, welcome back to the program.
Charlie, always good to be here.
Thank you.
Pedro, what did you learn visiting East Palestine, Ohio?
I went to East Palestine with a lot of questions that I hoped to get answered, and I left actually with just more questions because that's the reality on the ground for people who live there.
East Palestine is a village of about 5,000 people, and they are essentially in the dark about what's happening literally in their own backyard.
They do not trust the conflicting reports that are coming out of various environmental and health agencies precisely because they are conflicting.
It seems like there is always a statement that is contradicted within a day or so.
And they obviously have no faith in the railroad company, Norfolk Southern, and actually doing a good job overseeing its own and the cleanup of its own mess.
That is where pretty much all of the anger is directed right now.
There's also a lot of frustration with Governor Mike Dewine, especially because DeWine was really proactive, as we know with COVID.
You know, he locked people in their homes and he was very, very aggressive when it came to COVID.
But on this, DeWine has been noticeably kind of AWOL, you know, or at least his approach to handling this really severe crisis for a small town that's been economically depressed for a long time is really, really different to his approach to COVID in a bad way.
I mean, and again, this is a quintessential Middle American small town.
I spoke to a family that has lived there their entire lives.
They met in high school, actually.
And the only time that the husband had left this town was to serve in the military.
They both work at a factory at a ceramics factory with kilns that are over 100 years old.
And they live there because it's home, not because obviously it's a thriving and prosperous town, but because East Palestine is home to these people.
And right now they feel abandoned and isolated.
So who's the villain here?
Or are there multiple villains?
Norfolk Southern is a railroad conglomerate.
And I really have no dog in this fight at all.
I just don't care much for big companies or big government.
But let's talk about Norfolk Southern in particular.
Do you think they've handled this correctly?
Or do you think that this might be an example of big business and big government acting in harmony to cover something up?
Yeah, I mean, that's unfortunately, this happens more than it should.
This exact kind of scenario where a very powerful corporate entity will be somehow responsible for a catastrophe that affects a small community somewhere in America.
And precisely because of this kind of revolving door and incestuous relationship between the government and corporations, the cleanup and accountability aren't what they should be in relation to the damage that it's caused in people's lives.
And like I said, unfortunately, this happens way more than it should.
And that's, I mean, that's why it's so frustrating for these people, because I think there's that kind of sense that I don't want to call it defeatism because that's not really it, but there's definitely a sense of we don't think we're going to get justice.
We don't think we're going to get what we deserve.
And we don't think that the people who should be held accountable will be held accountable.
So I want to make a side point here, which I find to be interesting.
So we have JD Vance out front.
Praise God.
He's the senator from Ohio.
And I know you live in Ohio.
He does a great job.
But everything we've seen in Ohio, situations like this, typically Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren would be out front.
For example, Bernie Sanders would make special trips out to North and South Dakota to try to block DAPL, the Dakota access pipeline.
Elizabeth Warren, I remember, I'm sure we could get video or images of it.
She used to fly to Seattle for the wage strikes.
If I remember correctly, Bernie Sanders flew down to a labor dispute.
I think it was either Toyota or Amazon.
Do you remember this?
It was, they were trying to unionize, and Bernie Sanders parachuted in.
The point being is Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders seem to just kind of be on constant tour, going from one labor fight to anti-corporate demonstration to the other.
However, when eastern Ohio, the muscular class, middle class, Midwest, mostly white area, is legitimately attacked, or you could, let's be even more neutral, harmed by either negligence or just corruption.
And there is an environmental component to it, which is one of the sacred gods of the modern American left.
There's silence and there's almost disinterest.
Why?
That's a great question.
And I don't have an easy answer.
I mean, I think that's you hit on something.
And I think that unfortunately, this is just the reality is that East Palestine is a largely white working class town.
These are just not people that we, by we, I mean the American political establishment really cares about.
They're just not people that capture headlines.
And it's really interesting because, you know, in recent days and in the last week or so, there's been an army of reporters that are coming through and sort of getting the story and kind of trying to make this about basically everything except for the town itself.
It's really interesting.
And I experienced this when I was talking to people in East Palestine.
And the people that I had spoken with had spoken with other reporters beforehand.
But there's this kind of sense of like, we're somehow still being left out of the story.
And this is still somehow not about us.
And go ahead.
No, it's you, Eastern Ohio, East Palestine, Ohio, is the heart of MAGA country.
And to just give an adjacent metaphor, it's just like the gay mafia is headquartered in downtown San Francisco.
Like the heart of MAGA country is East Palestine, Ohio.
It's 94% white.
They voted for Trump by 80% or 70, 80%.
We can get the exact numbers.
Pedro, does that matter?
Am I looking too much into it?
And is there, is there, is that a factor into why?
No, no, I think you're definitely onto something because this is the quintessential forgotten American town.
You can look at how the town has struggled economically and how you can see that across the Midwest.
I mean, you're right that this town swung for Trump, but historically, it's a strong Democratic.
Well, hold on.
Hold on.
But let me interrupt you, Pedro.
Doesn't that make them hate them more?
It makes them that they used to be Democrat and they're no longer.
Like these people defected from us.
Is this some sort of cruel punishment?
There certainly could be some of that.
That's definitely a possibility that there's this kind of looking down the nose at people like this, right?
The unwashed white working class who are somehow at the center of all of our social problems.
One of the families that I spoke with, the husband who works at the ceramics plant, he switched.
He was a Democrat voter, but he flipped for Trump.
And so, I mean, again, it's the story of the Midwest, of these people who have been left behind by policies that have been promoted by both political parties.
Yes.
Economic policy, immigration policies, people whose jobs have been sent overseas.
And the sad thing about East Palestine is that it was kind of on the upswing.
There was this sense that things were looking up, but now there's this cloud of uncertainty over the town that is made all the more worse by the fact that, again, despite the constant press attention that East Palestine is getting, the people that live there themselves are still just kind of on an island.
My recommendation to Trump and his campaign is they should go to East Palestine, not do a rally, just visit to a press conference, just bash on Buddha Judge, bash on Biden, say that if he was president, this would be a top priority.
These are his voters.
There is no political downside because obviously there's really nothing you could do.
He could host a fundraiser, do relief.
I just, I get so, I'm signed up for all these silly emails because I, you know, throughout the years, you get these, and I have an inbox dedicated to all of the solicitations I get for foreign charity crisis.
And that's fine.
I love, I think we should help people, but the earthquake in Syria and Turkey, I got a solicitation for that.
Earthquake to help Ukrainian refugees, I got a solicitation for that.
Haiti, I mean, it is relentless, right?
I am wondering, and I'm just going to take a step back.
If I get a single email solicitation from any major corporation or any influencer or any oligarch to try to have a dollar-for-dollar match to help our own American citizens, is you two going to be doing a huge Central Park concert with Bono?
Like, tonight, we're going to raise $5 million for the citizens of East Palestine.
And if you raise $5 million, we'll kick in $5 million.
I doubt it.
Yeah.
And I think that's another aspect of this tragedy, right?
Because no one knows really how severe this is.
And no one knows when we're going to start seeing like the really, again, we don't want, they're already scared enough, but that's obviously the concern is that there's going to be long-term health effects for the people that are there.
But here's the really, really sad thing.
Even if that was true, they can't leave because no one is helping them.
So we'll talk about that.
They're trapped.
And by the way, I have a strong opinion that has deepened and strengthened the last couple of years.
You shouldn't have to leave your home.
Forcing people into cosmopolitan urban environments is actually deeply unhealthy for the country.
Pedro, it seems that there is this, there was this narrative a couple years ago that was really prevailing, leave your home and just go live in Chicago, New York.
And now it's actually breaking.
That was actually one of the good things that came out of the tragedy of COVID.
People actually started to break away from the city.
Cities are falling apart.
But we should have a mandate from our government that we're not going to force, we're not going to urge you to leave your home.
Yeah, that's, yeah.
I mean, uprooting people is, I think it's difficult for us to quantify and really understand how much damage that that kind of a world and a way of living has done.
We basically encourage rootlessness.
We encourage people to just leave everything behind and to really have no meaningful connections in life beyond our employment.
And obviously, employment is important, but that's not all there is to life.
The point of life is not just to basically wander from one job to the next, you know, it's to grow roots.
And places like East Palestine are that for, you know, for their residents who live there precisely because it's where they want to be.
And the fact that we're forcing people like this, and we have forced them not just as a result of this crisis, but as a result of deliberate policy choices that we have to confront them with this decision, whether to stay there and risk the consequences or pack up and leave and go somewhere else, somewhere that you have no connection to.
That is really traumatic and distressing for a lot of these people.
And it's completely understandable why.
But again, we don't really take that into account anymore because it's just not what we've been told to value.
Shifting gears for a second, Nikki Haley is now running for the presidency.
I just want to kind of cue you up here and then you can riff.
Let's go to we got so many Nikki Haley cuts.
Let's just pick one that we have not yet played.
Cut 93.
Of course, I think the conservative movement is exhausted with identity politics, but maybe not.
Play Cut 92.
I have devoted my life to this fight, and I'm just getting started.
For a strong America, for a proud America, I am running for president of the United States of America.
Pedro, she's running.
Your thoughts?
Nikki Haley is the dying gasp of the neoconservative establishment to take all of its discredited and awful ideas and basically jam them into a skin suit with a mouth and vocal cords known as Nikki Haley.
I mean, it's terrible.
She doesn't have an original idea in her head.
It's just, you know, it's like she was incubated in a Petri dish beneath Carl Rove's home.
I really can't, it's difficult to actually put into words how much contempt I have for people like her, precisely because they claim to be sort of this next generation of leaders, but they're not.
They're the dead consensus in this zombified form, except wearing high heels.
It's really, in some ways, it's actually worse.
Like, I think I actually have less hatred for like the neocons of yesteryear because they were kind of reacting to some things and they're at least a little bit more intelligent.
Again, Nikki Haley really does strike me as just a kind of robot that's been programmed to conduct this kind of suicide mission to save neoconservatism from oblivion, which I think hopefully that's where it's headed for.
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And what you're saying is that the right has their own chat GPC as well.
Absolutely.
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, just listen to her.
And like, look at her eyes when she talks.
And I challenge you to search for signs of life.
You won't find them.
Everybody, check out Pedro Gonzalez's sub stack.
It's terrific.
He actually went to East Palestine and did reporting, which is fabulous.
It's called the Contra substack.
I learn something from it every week.
He challenges powerful people and does it effectively, and he is worthy of your support.
So it's the Contra substack.
Help him if you can.
Pedro, God bless you.
Have a great weekend.
Thank you.
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It's because good people don't have the courage to defend people that need to be defended.
Instead, it is nothing more than a power struggle.
And that is what we have seen with this entire trans nonsense craze that has swept the nation.
I remember growing up where there were insistent arguments that female sports must be protected and women must be empowered.
Now that's not the case.
Locker Room Freedom of Speech00:10:34
Now predatory, sick, mentally deluded men who have, let's just say, a fetish for dressing up like women are allowed to expose themselves to other women.
And we're supposed to act as if this is progress and wonderful and normal.
It's not.
It's cruel.
It's wrong and it's demented.
And it requires courage to say that.
And someone who does have a lot of courage is somebody who has been speaking out to a great personal cost to her own comfort and safety, but she certainly has allies here on this program.
And she's terrific.
It is Riley Gaines.
She is a swimmer from the University of Kentucky.
And she was actually deleted from Twitter for saying there are only two sexes.
Of course, that is a hate crime.
She's a spokesperson with the Independent Women's Forum.
And she has been sharing some news about the freak, Mr. Thomas, who should be arrested for voyeurism because of what he did to other women.
Riley, thank you for joining the program.
Thank you for your courage.
Tell us about the news that you've made the last week about Mr. Thomas.
Yeah, so I actually got sent Leah Thomas's girlfriend/slash boyfriend.
It's a very interesting dynamic.
Of course, Leah Thomas is a male transitioning to a female.
Leah is also dating another male transitioning to female.
So in theory, well, in reality, this is two men, but they consider themselves lesbians.
So very interesting.
But someone actually sent me Leah's partner's Instagram page.
And so I had a quick, quick look through all of this stuff.
And I knew, of course, what the NCAA perpetrated.
And allowing us as female athletes to share this locker room space was bad.
When you did a deep dive on who Leah Thomas is as a person and what their own personal motives are, it makes what happened 10 times worse.
The NCAA allowed us as female athletes to not even just allow, they encourage us as female athletes to participate in Leah Thomas's sexual arousement and Leah Thomas's fetish.
So tell us about that.
Yeah, I mean, you said that you had to change.
I mean, Mr. Thomas would be naked around all of you.
And what was the scenario?
You guys were competing against him in the NCAA championship, right?
Yes, it was our NCAA championships out of nowhere, my senior year.
And again, I graduated from the University of Kentucky.
Out of nowhere, this person starts leading the nation in multiple events by multiple seconds.
And I had never heard of this person before, which is a bit bizarre considering most top-tier athletes know each other.
It was very quick for us to find out that this was prior to Leah, swimming in the women's category, this was Will, and he swam three years on the men's side at UPenn.
The NCAA, three weeks before our championship meet last year, announced that Leah would, in fact, be competing with the women.
So we knew what the competition piece would look like, but we had no idea we would be sharing a changing space with someone who was fully intact with male genitalia.
And so that obviously made all of you uncomfortable.
I just have to ask your fellow female competitors, did anyone say, hey, there's a naked man in our locker room?
Like, why was this tolerated?
Why'd you put up with this?
We talked amongst ourselves and we knew it was wrong.
Of course, we all felt extremely uncomfortable.
Some of us have felt traumatized.
There were several girls who were put in that position who were victims of prior sexual assault.
And so to be in that triggering environment where you are exposed to male parts while you're undressing, that was an extremely traumatic experience for some.
And so we talked amongst ourselves and we talked to our coaches, but there was no one going very public with this.
And so when this happened, I immediately went to the NCAA officials and said, hey, how is this allowed?
Who put these guidelines in place that allowed this?
And their response to me was that the locker rooms are actually unisex, which meant that any man, not even a self-identifying woman, could have walked into our locker room.
A coach, anyone of the officials who was a male, they were putting us or they were allowing men to change in a locker room at the expense of us as women and the expense of our feelings, our mental health and our identity, which of course goes against everything that, like you said, these people who claim to fight for women's rights, this goes against everything that they have fought for.
To be subjected to that by people who were supposed to protect you was just this feeling of, of course, utter shock, but honestly, it was a feeling of heartbreak.
I mean, these people are sick.
And I don't say that lightly.
The NCAA is a perverted organization.
They platformed a biological male who won a national championship and then was allowed in incredibly disturbing detail to be around you and your fellow competitors.
And again, I blame the decline of American men.
This never should have been, you know, you should have, someone should have just took care of it the way we used to take care of things in the 1950s or 60s.
But, you know, as you have testosterone rates go down and men start acting like women and they don't do anything, then, hey, who's to say?
You're going to look, there are a lot of sick people in the world, unfortunately.
And without the strength to go against them, the country is going to completely, totally fall apart.
So I have to ask you, Riley, amongst your fellow competitors and other people, is there, I mean, what's the opinion of Thomas?
First, of course, from the competition standpoint, it's not fair, but obviously that doesn't exist.
Are people like fired up about this that are competitors?
I just okay, so tell me more about that.
I can tell you how just based off the conversations I've had from people at that meet, including parents at that meet who had to sit and watch this and know that their daughters were changing in locker room with a man, 99% of people share the same opinion as you and I.
These girls, especially the girls who fall in the age range of 18 to 22 and are still competitively swimming, they're terrified to use their name and their voice and their face for this issue.
A lot of these girls, just hearing their stories about what their universities are doing to silence them.
I mean, obviously this is an issue within fairness and competition, but this translates far beyond that.
Yes, it does.
This is an issue of freedom of speech.
What these universities are doing to these female athletes is, I mean, it's criminal.
Talking to Leah Thomas's teammates, I've talked to several of them to great lengths.
One of them was filling me in on what they went through.
Every week they had to go to LGBTQ mandatory meetings.
When they sent an email to their university expressing their concern of the locker room, their university emailed back.
And I swear I have a screenshot of this.
I can't even believe this is in writing.
But their university emailed back and said, if you feel uncomfortable seeing male genitalia, here are some counseling resources that you should see.
So they made these poor 18 to 22-year-old girls feel crazy for being uncomfortable in a situation where they're un and a male is watching.
They were told their school has made their stance for them.
They were told that they will never get into grad school.
They will never get a job.
All of these terrible, awful things that force them into silence and that quite frankly aren't true.
Since I've become public with my stance and with so many other stance, it has been opportunity after opportunity.
And I have been backed by so much support.
I mean, tenfold than compared to anything negative, which I think shows how the true majority of this country and really how this world feels about this topic in particular.
Yeah, I mean, look, Thomas should be institutionalized and should be given some help, obviously.
You should not be exposing yourself to other women.
You're a freak.
You're a voyeur.
It should be illegal.
Okay.
And by the way, we know through some of his social media postings that his girlfriend has a fetish for dressing up like a woman and acting like women and getting people to go along with it.
And instead of saying, okay, you have a problem, we're going to get you treatment.
We're going to get you, you know, healed, which is the heart for all of us, right?
We pander and we reconfigure all society.
We remake all society to indulge in them.
And so where we used to have a belief that women are necessary to be protected, I mean, obviously it's a moral promise of the West.
It's all gone.
It sounds like the bare minimum.
It's all gone.
No, instead, we can't define what a woman is.
And instead, women, instead, men, who, again, I want to reinforce this, Thomas needs help.
Thomas needs help.
This is a broken person with some probably chemical imbalances and probably childhood trauma that has been undiagnosed or not taken seriously.
Instead, instead of giving that sort of healing treatment that is obviously out there, we are now saying other people must suffer because you have a lot of problems.
Absolutely.
You're exactly right.
It just feels like we are simply here to validate this dysphoria, this mental illness of a male, which, of course, when talking about Title IX, this goes against everything Title IX was created to protect.
Obviously, it was supposed to instill equal opportunities for women.
But when we allow men, especially men with this dysphoria, to infiltrate back into our sports.
That's right.
You said it perfectly.
You said we allow.
That's exactly right.
For all parents out there, me being one of them, for the adults out there, we can't put up with this anymore.
I don't care what they call you.
I don't care what it takes.
Draw the line and say we are not going to allow freaks around our daughters.
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Riley, how can people support you?
The chat is going crazy.
They want to get behind you.
Tell us about the social media, how people can support you.
Yes.
So my Twitter is Riley underscore Gaines underscore.
My Instagram is Riley G. Barker.
I've just recently started working with the Independent Women's Forum.
Their website is www.iwf.org.
They are a great way to stay involved, stay up to date on this issue.
They do a great job covering breaking stories and giving athletes a platform.
So, Riley, I just got it.
I just got to one.
I'm wondering, more broadly, from just kind of the general college population, do most young people feel as if this is normal and okay?
You know, I think this is where I struggle because I'm from Tennessee, which there's no one in this state who thinks this is rational.
Truly, no one I've ever talked to here agrees with the opposition.
And then I went to the University of Kentucky, which is also in the South.
These people, we're not, at least the people I'm around, we're not dumb enough, which sounds sad to say.
We're not dumb enough to think that women don't deserve equal opportunities.
We see this gender ideology propaganda for what it is.
But when I see TikToks and when I see YouTube videos and social media posts from these crazies in these super left-leaning states and these super woke universities of people my age, it just breaks my heart and it makes me lose hope for our generation.
I feel like we should know right from wrong.
We all have a moral compass.
And so, for these people to actively choose to ignore basic biology, the truth, it just makes you sit back and almost laugh.
And it's sad to say it's comical, but some of the stuff I see is truly comical.
Yeah, it's comical, but it's growing.
So just tell us that the state of college sports.
There are more and more men that are now competing against women.
This is not just swimming, is it?
No, no, this is happening across all sports, across all age groups, all divisions.
And what's so sad is so many of these trans athletes, and I have so many examples.
It's actually mind-blowing.
I have parents call me all the time.
Hi, my daughter is at a D3 university and she's competing against a man in basketball.
I actually just watched a live stream the other day of a diving meet where there's a man at a D3 school competing against women.
And so people believe this narrative that it's not happening.
It's a non-issue, but that could not be farther from the truth.
It's happening as young as 10 years old in cheer competitions in Iowa this past week.
It's happening in master's golf divisions.
I mean, and everything in between.
It's so sad and it's underreported.
And the narrative that it's a non-issue could not be further from the truth.
I'm just curious, did anybody file an indecent exposure criminal complaint against Thomas?
There have been people interested in suing the NCAA.
I think it's taken some time to understand the process because again, we had no idea.
I still am learning things every day about the process of this and how navigating this position works because this is, I was supposed to be in dental school this year.
And so the trajectory of my life is not what I thought it was going to be.
And so we actually presented the NCAA directly, personally, a legal demand letter stating that if they don't stop discriminating on the basis of sex, there will be legal action.
The NCAA has a new president, Mark Immert, who will, I mean, not Mark Immert, Charlie Baker, who will take effect in March in place of Mark Immert.
So we're hopeful that he will acknowledge this and treat it for what it is and make the right and ethical decision.
I sure hope so.
And I mean, amongst other female athletes that see their life's work just kind of put into jeopardy, I just, my heart goes out to them, but boy, we need to make some structural changes soon.
And we need to have the courage to call this out.
Really quick, I'm sure you've been, you know, called every name possible and harassed.
Just give us a little bit of a window into the cruelty I'm sure you've received.
I mean, no one can dispute my argument because what I'm saying is my experience.
It's factual.
It's true.
It's exactly what happened.
I try to stick away from the opinions because I don't even need to say my opinions for people to realize this is crazy.
And so the attacks, the negative comments I get are all personal attacks.
I mean, I get told all the time, maybe you should have just trained harder.
You should have swam faster and this wouldn't have happened.
I'm like, what a novel idea.
I never thought to just go faster.
Two, I get you're transphobic.
Okay, that literally one ear out of the other.
I know my heart's intentions.
I know I'm not transphobic.
That would imply that I'm scared of trans individuals.
I'm not scared of trans people.
And quite frankly, I don't care what people do in their free time.
If you want to identify as a woman, I'm not going to support you, but by all means, feel free.
I know I'm not transphobic.
So that to me is silly.
Or it's something like you're ugly.
You have hair extensions, which my hair is not extensions.
And so these personal attacks, they just don't bother me.
Riley Gaines, thank you for your courage.
The fact they're attacking you personally means you're being effective.
We need to fight these freaks.
Thank you.
God bless you.
Thank you.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
Email me directly, freedom at charliekirk.com.
Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.
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