Everything Worth Knowing About Biden’s SOTU with Senator Josh Hawley
It’s the day after Joe Biden’s State of the Union, and Charlie has a unique response to what we heard and saw last night. Senator Josh Hawley joins to relay his experience watching Biden’s speech live. Then, Charlie breaks some major news out of the U.S. Congress regarding the “Do Not Amplify” mark placed on his Twitter account.Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Building A Winning Machine00:12:37
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It was an interesting night, to say the least.
I'm curious how many of you actually watched the speech last night.
But to help us make sense of it is the great senator from Missouri, Senator Josh Hawley.
Senator, welcome to the program.
Thank you so much for having me.
So, Senator, you and I were texting last evening.
And of course, I mean, Biden was lying and speaking on both sides of his mouth and was not genuine in his approach to these issues.
But you and I both agreed that there was certainly an emphasis, a focus on some of the principles that the MAGA movement have been talking about the last couple of years.
What are your thoughts on that?
Well, listen, I thought that Joe Biden last night tried to sound like a light Donald Trump.
I mean, he talked about the forgotten man.
At one point, he went on this long, this long passage about the forgotten man.
And you're right to what you said, Charlie, about, you know, in the chamber, Biden, he flurs his words, he stumbles over his lines, he talks through applause lines.
So you can only hear about a third of it.
But I was really quite, it caught my attention.
I thought, this is very interesting.
This is definitely an attempt by the Democrats that they realize that their actual agenda of going after working people, of going after working class culture, of going after our heritage as a nation, is a loser.
And there are a lot of things, but stupid isn't one of them.
So what they've decided to do is bury that.
Biden tried to bury all of that last night and instead get back to this blue-collar rhetoric that, of course, his policies have nothing to do with.
But I thought politically it was a savvy move on his part, and I hope Republicans are ready for it.
Because I can tell you, Charlie, if Republicans are just standing around talking about what they're going to do for corporations, it ain't going to work.
I mean, we have got to talk to working people.
Yeah, it seemed to me, look, Biden is obviously nothing more.
You can call him a puppet, you can call him a spokesperson.
He just, they input whatever the artificial intelligence machine tells him, chat GPT, and he reads it.
So it's not his own original thoughts, but there's certainly a group of really smart Democrats that have 100 different pieces of data on every single swing state voter.
And it seemed to me that the thing that jumped off the page and I reread the speech was that nationalism, not corporatism, patriotism, not neoliberalism or globalism, is going to determine the White House in 2024.
What are your thoughts, Senator?
I think that's exactly correct.
That is where the center of the country is.
Charlie, here is my view on where the center of American politics is.
It's not sort of halfway between left and right ideologies, whatever that point would be.
That's not the middle.
The middle of the country is nationalist.
The center of our nation in terms of our beliefs, our commitments, our values is nationalist.
People believe in this nation.
They're proud of this nation, proud of our history.
I want to believe in our future.
I want this to be a strong country.
And I think that Biden's people are beginning to realize this.
They realize how toxic their policies have been that they're so committed to that are hollowing out the center of this nation.
And so they want to paper over that rhetorically.
What Republicans have to do is expose the charade, right?
Expose the lies that actually they're the ones who are going after working America.
They're the ones who are weakening this nation.
But to do that, we've got to put forward an agenda that will make this country strong, that will protect our culture, that will protect our values.
That's our challenge.
Another thing that I noticed last night, and our audience will be the exception to this rule.
So let me say that again.
I got to re-emphasize that.
You are the exception to this, is that for low propensity voters, for moderates and independents, their view of Joe Biden, it's very hard for those voters to get to a place of hatred of Joe Biden.
I think one of Biden's political superpowers is to be unbelievably radical, unpopular, but unlike Obama or Hillary, less people hate him.
That's a fact.
It's true.
When he delivers another slurred, barely coherent speech, our reaction is more sympathy and not loathing.
It's very easy to mock, but it's very hard to hate.
It's not easy to hate.
And Senator, I think in some ways there's a stealthiness to that, isn't there?
Where, you know, we're quick to share the memes of Joe Biden about how he can't even make sentences and forget and all that.
I think that that's fine.
There's a place for that.
However, I got, at least through some of, I got the impression last evening that if Joe Biden even moderates some of his views a little bit and we just continue the same ways of attacking him, there is either a sympathy component to this and or, you know, Joe Biden and the Democrat machine are going to try to be a Democrat version of MAGA.
And I think this is important, Senator, because the neoliberal forces within the Republican Party want their power back.
And wouldn't it be tragic if the Democrats run more nationalistic than Republicans?
And this is exactly, Charlie.
If they're smart, that is exactly what they will try to do.
And I agree with you.
I thought Biden's speech last night was an attempt to begin to pivot over to a more pro-America nationalist agenda.
Here's the thing, though, about Biden is, above all, he's old.
He represents the past and he represents the failed past.
He represents the Democrat Party that for years now has hated this country, that thinks that we are racist, that thinks that we are fundamentally corrupt, that has hollowed out our industry, that has capitulated to China, that has made us weaker, that has tried to destroy our culture.
That is what he represents.
We have to make the case that it is time to turn the page on that, that we can be stronger, that we can be better, that there's something to hope for for the future.
Whatever else Joe Biden represents, it ain't the future.
We've got to talk about the future of this nation can be strong and it can be something worth getting up for in the morning.
But we've got to put forward a positive nationalist agenda to do that.
That is our challenge.
Well, and I know he doesn't mean it, but when he was talking about holding tech companies accountable, I didn't applaud for the record.
I did not applaud.
But I tilted my head and I thought to myself, why aren't we leading more on this?
And Senator, you are leading on it.
You want to create a legal age for kids to be able to access social media.
I just personally am getting a little annoyed that the Democrats are even allowed to get any sort of political popularity out of this.
We're the ones that are actually Republicans and conservatives that are being harmed the most by these tech companies.
We've been talking about it, but now the Democrats, all of a sudden, after these companies have done such damage, they're kind of tinkering on the edges.
Tell us about your plan, but also comment on Joe Biden talking about tech companies in a speech last evening.
Well, you know why there's an opening for Democrats in Biden to use the rhetoric, at least, Charlie.
And the reason is Republican leaders haven't done anything.
Oh, that's exactly right.
They talk about it.
It's an applause line, but they don't do anything.
Look who actually introduces real legislation that would change the law on this subject.
You won't find many Republicans, hardly any at all.
I mean, look who introduces legislation that would break up these big tech companies that would go after these woke corporate monopolies.
You're not going to find Republicans.
They talk about it from time to time, but they don't do it.
And so the Democrats say, well, heck, we'll just make that our issue.
And I tell you, that would be a tragic, tragic mistake on the part of Republicans.
Here's what I think we ought to do: actually do something.
Number one, we ought to break up these big monopolies.
I mean, let's just put that on the table to be frank about it.
Google, Facebook, they ought to be broken up.
But I tell you what, let's protect kids online.
When it comes to social media, let's set an age requirement of 16.
I'm a parent of three kids.
You've met my kids, Charlie.
They're little.
They're not on social media.
I dread the day when they will want to be.
And as a parent, I would love it if there would be a requirement that you can't even get on a social media account of your own until you're 16.
I think every parent in America would love it.
It would put power into the hands of parents.
It is common sense.
The data backs it up.
Let's start.
Surely, surely we could start there and Republicans to get behind this and go after it with Democrats.
Let's do that.
And then let's put even more power in the hands of parents.
Let's let them sue these platforms.
Let's let them delete their children's data.
Parents ought to be able to go to big tech and say, give me all the data you have on my kid and delete it permanently.
Let's give the power to parents.
This is so common sense.
I wish the Republican Party would think clearly on this.
Instead, the Democrats are allowed to lie and score some cheap political points on it.
Senator Josh Hawley, thank you for your leadership.
Appreciate it.
Thank you.
That's what we need, Charlie.
We need folks that step forward and actually get some stuff done and show that it can be done.
You know, we just banned TikTok on all government devices, phones, laptops, you name it.
We just did that about two months ago.
People said it couldn't be done.
Guess what?
We did it.
Now it's time to push forward.
Let's take on these corporate monopolies that are trying to hurt our kids, that are trying to stifle our speech as conservatives.
Let's do something about it and not just talk about it.
That's our challenge.
I tell you what, as long as people of my state will have me here, that's what I'm going to be fighting for in the Senate.
Senator, thank you so much.
Appreciate it.
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Joe Biden's speech was not a policy agenda.
It's a marketing scheme for 2024.
These are poll-tested one-liners.
These are highly sophisticated narratives that are then distilled into packaged sound bites to try and keep and hold on to political power.
However, I will agree with, let's just say a little bit of an intense email we received, but he's not wrong.
Ken said something here that was a little bit fired up.
I'm not going to read the whole email, but the sentiment and the attitude is, Charlie, the messaging doesn't really matter because what does matter in 2024 is the machinery.
And that is exactly right.
Before we go into the specifics of the speech, I feel obligated to share one of my initial reactions when I saw the deranged foreign agent that calls himself our president meandering through the center hall, randomly giving hugs and kisses to every Democrat in the kind of center aisle.
Machinery Over Messaging00:03:43
And I thought to myself, they can run him again in 2024.
I have made predictions that they're going to try to replace him, but I think that actually the jury is out right now.
And the reason being is they are very confident in the machinery that they have developed in Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania.
Why was I in Dana Point at the Republican National Committee?
Why was I trying to lobby RNC members?
Why was I doing that?
That, quite honestly, has done nothing but one me enemies at the Republican National Committee.
The reason I was there was to represent you, obviously, 98% of you that said we want to change at the RNC.
But there is a truism that we need to repeat almost daily going into 2024.
And we need to focus on it.
And we need to repeat it.
And we need to internalize it.
It's very simple.
The machine we build or fail to build will decide 2024.
That's it.
The machine that we build or fail to build will decide 2024.
So you say, well, Charlie, what is that machine?
You need 500 full-time ballot chasers in Georgia.
500.
I think the RNC has like three field workers.
At least they had two in Nevada.
What is a ballot chaser?
A ballot chaser is some of what the Democrats do.
Someone that says, here is the 600,000 low-propensity Republican voters that might vote by mail, that might turn in their ballot.
Let's have a universe of about 250, let's say 500 voters, and make sure they vote.
Maybe in-person early voting, and you shrink that universe.
We need 400 ballot chasers in Arizona.
We need well over 1,000.
These are full-time paid people in Pennsylvania.
Forget the television advertisements and all that.
That stuff's going to happen.
Either we're going to build the machine that will make us competitive in 2024, not to mention the election integrity machine.
Have we done that?
Of course not.
One of the reasons why I was in Dana Point, California, advocating for regime change at the RNC was we need sharp and smart lawyers that are willing to go into the courtroom and win.
I don't have confidence in that.
So as I saw Joe Biden kind of meander his way on up to give his speech, I said, yeah, they could run him again and they could implement him again for sure.
Yeah, the messaging is part of it.
He needs to say the right things.
He needs to do the right performance.
He needs to lace his speech with some themes and some elements I find to be interesting and we'll talk about that.
But more important than the messaging, more important than what he's running on, is the machinery, the grinding of the gears that they have built through lawfare, through ballot chasing, through relaxed signature verification requirements, through mass early voting, through all of these different elements.
They think they believe they're very confident, almost cocky, which will end up being a liability for them, that they can run anybody.
They could put anybody in the machine and be successful.
I'm not saying win.
Winning and being successful in elections are two different things.
This is not about messaging.
This is not about rallies, which I love and they do help.
This is a contest about who can get the most pieces of paper into the box over the course of a week, a month, or however long the game called an election lasts.
And so I am going to, on this program, we'll talk about messaging.
We'll talk about the Palace intrigue.
We'll talk about ideas.
We'll talk about philosophy.
We'll talk about all of that.
Robust Ballot Chasing00:05:03
But my obligation to you, the audience, is to be honest, which is our failure or our success to build a robust ballot chasing machine that focuses on election integrity and expanding the window of which our voters vote will be determinative of our success in 2024.
They can run John Fetterman for president and be successful with their current machine and the lack of one on the Republican Party.
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I'm not advocating for election machines.
I think some of you thought that.
You said, Charlie, why are you advocating for election?
No, I was saying the metaphorical political machinery.
I think we should go to all paper ballots, and I think we should count them without any machines whatsoever.
Just want to make sure my opinion here is clear.
The Democrats have built a metaphorical political machine.
They have physical machines too.
That's a separate important issue.
But the issue that I'm talking about is they have ballot chasers.
They have ballot cures.
They have people that are in the courts fighting for lawfare.
And they've built this permanent election infrastructure in a couple states, in particular, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Georgia, and Arizona.
This infrastructure is about $150 to $200 million every cycle to sustain.
This is why they revere Stacey Abrams, despite the fact that she's never really won a major election except being a state senator.
The reason they really like Stacey Abrams is Stacey Abrams successfully was able to hire the people, onboard them, and put them to work to, of course, do things full of shenanigans and sneaky operations.
But the point is that Georgia has now become a quote-unquote blue state, which is nonsense in some regard, but it has two Democrat senators.
It sent electoral votes to the Electoral College for Joe Biden.
And look, I'm not saying these people won.
That's a separate issue.
I'm saying that they were able to get more pieces of paper into the ballot tabulation process than Republicans.
And that is the game.
And so we will be successful or unsuccessful in 2024, less about Joe Biden's messaging.
And that does matter a little bit.
That matters on the margins, 10,000 votes here, 20,000 votes there, 30,000 votes there, 40,000 votes there.
That stuff does matter.
More important, though, can you get the election close so then your machine, the ballot chasers, the operatives on the ground, the community organizers are eventually then able to get you to a place where they can deem you the winner.
This is exactly why I was so focused at the RNC, the Republican National Committee race.
Obviously, our effort, we were not successful.
However, I have zero reservations about what I did.
I'm really thankful I did because we fought as hard as we could.
I wish more people would have gotten involved.
But the machinery matters.
Okay, so let's get to some pieces of tape here from last evening.
And then in just a couple minutes, I'm going to play some breaking news tape.
Apparently, my Twitter account has been a subject of discussion at a congressional oversight hearing, which I'm very interested.
And I haven't even heard the clip, and so I'm just told that that happened.
But I want to play some of these pieces of tape here of Joe Biden speaking.
So messaging does matter a little bit.
They're going to try to appropriate populist nationalism.
They're confident, though.
They are confident that if they just lie and they lace our messaging within that, that their political beast, their data operation, the artificial intelligence, the modeling, the predictive behavior, the back-end access they have to social media sites, they believe that their death star, if you will, will be able to produce a favorable outcome for them regardless of who they run.
And I am not joking.
They are so confident in it.
They think that they could run John Fetterman for the presidency and he would be successful.
Okay, let's just go to some of the highlights here.
I don't know if you can call them highlights, though.
Appropriating Populist Nationalism00:03:06
I don't think that's exactly fair.
Let's go to this one here.
Joe Biden talking about Xi Jiping, play cut 63.
No mention of a balloon, by the way.
Play cut 63.
We face serious challenges across the world, but in the past two years, democracies have become stronger, not weaker.
Autocracy has grown weaker, not stronger.
Name me a world leader who changed places with Xi Jinping.
Name me one.
Name me one.
America's rallying the world to meet those challenges from climate to global health to food insecurity to terrorism to territorial aggression.
Allies are stepping up, spending more and doing more.
At times throughout the speech, at times, I felt like I was watching a different country's State of the Union.
The values that he was espousing as important, as necessary, or critical were so distant from what I know are core American values.
At times, he did moderate himself and anchored himself in just normal, common sense, poll-tested narratives, which, of course, he doesn't believe a word of.
But here's just one example.
He says, let's pass the Bipartisan Equality Act to ensure LGBTQ Americans, especially transgender young people, can live with dignity and safety, aka get their private parts chopped off, be chemically castrated, be preyed on by the psychiatric industry, all the while going after nonprofits and churches.
The Equality Act is anything but equality.
The, if you will, the teeth on the Equality Act is the penalization of churches or nonprofits that do not believe in their modern definition of marriage, which is not marriage at all.
It's their new definition of it.
I think Kirsten Sinemo is super enthusiastic about this.
Shouldn't shock you.
Play Cut 59.
Well, already more than a dozen states are enforcing extreme abortion bans.
Make no mistake about it.
If Congress passes a national ban, I will veto it.
But let's also pass.
It's also passed the Bipartisan Equality Act to ensure LGBTQ Americans, especially transgender young people, can live with safety and dignity.
Fars Trent!
Kirsten Sinema looks like an attendee at a Hunger Games gala.
Right there.
There it is.
When Hollywood precedes reality, it's quite a thing.
There's so many other moments that we could highlight here.
But again, there was this kind of here and there appropriation of MAGA.
This should bother you.
It should bother you that Republicans are so bad at representing their voters that it opens up an opportunity for Joe Biden to just kind of swoop in and to pretend to not be a Marxist neoliberal, which of course he is.
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Let's go to this one here, cut 62.
Before I came to office, the story was about how the People's Republic of China was increasing its power and America was failing in the world.
Not anymore.
Not anymore.
So we can keep on going through all the different examples.
The one I do want, though, and I only heard the clip once.
I want to make sure I heard it correctly, was Joe Biden.
It seemed to be somewhat extemporaneously.
I don't think it was scripted, saying that we only need one more decade of fossil fuels.
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I want to get to a piece of tape here of what just happened in the congressional hearing.
Apparently, I am a topic of discussion.
Play cut 80 of what's happened.
We're going to watch it for the first time together.
My Twitter account seems to be Congressional News Today, PlayCut 80.
Let's look at Mr. Kirk's account.
Ms. Gaddy, can I get you to read the yellow labels on Mr. Kirk's account?
Can you see those?
I'm sorry, I can't see them from right here.
All right.
Let me ask you, what is a search blacklist?
I do not know specifically what that is, but I could make a guess if that would be helpful.
Why don't you make a guess for me, please?
We do.
When I was at Twitter, there was an ability to prevent something from appearing in one of the tabs of search results.
Okay, thank you.
What does Do Not Amplify mean?
To the best of my recollection, when I was at Twitter, it would mean that we would not recommend or amplify that content in the parts of Twitter where Twitter was making recommendations.
Thank you, ma'am.
All about my Twitter account.
I wish I would have known this hearing was happening because I could have asked them a lot sharper follow-up questions than that.
He did a great job.
Who is this guy from Tennessee, great Knoxville, Tennessee?
What is his name?
Bruchette, God bless him.
Thank you for doing that.
I do think that there could have been a little bit more precise follow-up there.
Let's play cut 79.
I think this is Jim Jordan.
We're watching this for the first time, play cut 79.
Ms. Gaddy, Charlie Kirk and Dan Bongino are conservative commentators.
Is that a fair characteristic?
Just yes or no, be fine.
I believe so, but I'm not familiar with them.
The posters behind me show the side of Twitter that is not available to users.
Is that correct?
This appears to be a view of some of our agent tooling, but I do not have access to that, so I'm not very familiar with that.
Okay, well, Ms. Gaddy, the labels identify status that have been assigned to these accounts.
Is that correct?
I don't know.
Ma'am, these are your internal things.
You're telling me you don't receive these.
You don't know what they mean.
She better be careful.
Not under this regime, but if we do win back the White House in 2024 and we get our act together, lying to Congress can land you in jail.
So she better be careful.
Cut 82 continues with the oversight of Twitter, PlayCut 82.
So the user knows when their account's been suspended or blocked, but they don't know when they have some of these gold terms that were under Mr. Bongino and Mr. Kirk.
Is that right, Mr. Roth?
As of the time that I worked at Twitter, yes, that's correct.
So they don't know if they're on the don't search on the search blacklist.
They don't know if they're on the do not amplify.
They don't know that.
That's correct.
Twitter did not disclose that.
You did that to these two accounts.
What I want to know, was that, did you know, Mr. Roth, if that was at the prompting of anyone from the government?
Gentlemen, time's expired, but please answer the question.
No, sir, I'm not aware of any requests or orders or demands or anything from the government requesting that visibility filtering be applied to those accounts or any others.
Yeah, look, that's a really important question because Yoel Roth was bragging internally that he would have a standing weekly meeting with the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
So he might be lying.
He might be telling the truth.
But Jordan had the perfect follow-up, which is who actually put Charlie Kirk and Dan Bongino's Twitter account into the threat assessment tag of do not amplify.
This did not just happen out of nowhere.
It didn't happen organically.
It didn't happen out of the sky.
It did not happen ex nihilo out of nothing.
There was a reason why this happened.
And what is that reason, Yoel Roth?
And he tap dances around the question.
And of course, slippery, you know, in a very slippery way, tries to avoid answering it.
Vijaya Gotti says, look, in hindsight, Twitter should have reinstated the Post account immediately, the New York Post account.
Yeah.
And this is what's so interesting, isn't it?
So we can do unethical, immoral things, like shutting down the New York Post Twitter account in the midst of a presidential election.
But then once the election is over, they can be like, yeah, it was a mistake.
But they knew what they were doing.
The push from Labor Day to Election Day, 2020, morals, ethics were cast aside to displace a ruler.
I don't think we use the analogy enough with the deep state going after Trump and all that, but it's very similar.
If you read the Shakespearean drama Julius Caesar, it's very similar to kind of the inner reasoning that a lot of people around Caesar use that we got to get rid of this guy.
Brutus thought of himself as a stoic.
I don't think it's very stoic to kill the emperor.
Play cut 75.
At no point did Twitter otherwise prevent tweeting, reporting, discussing, or describing the contents of Mr. Biden's laptop.
People could and did talk about the contents of the laptop on Twitter or anywhere else, including other much larger platforms, but they were prevented from sharing the primary documents on Twitter.
As Mr. Dorsey testified before Congress on multiple occasions, Twitter changed its policy within 24 hours and admitted its initial action was wrong.
In hindsight, Twitter should have reinstated the Post account immediately.
Yeah, in hindsight, we should have reinstated it, but they got what they wanted, which is regime change.
And the intelligence agencies are good at that.
Jordan is touching on the most important point of this, because these are all former employees that are lawyered up to the heavens.
But Jordan is starting to get to the central nervous system of why this story matters, Jordan being Jim Jordan.
And Jim Jordan is foreshadowing and tilting the weaponization of government committee, which is going to be a lot more consequential and have real teeth and hopefully get to something that is really, really important, which is: all right, yeah, you guys are all a bunch of wokey activists.
You're pseudo-academic professors and all that sort of stuff.
But did our government tell you to do it?
That's really important.
And I think Jordan is looking to move ahead, which I find to be really important and critical.
Was our own federal government actively involved, interested, insistent, incentivizing the censorship activity of Twitter?
Was there a public-private partnership working in tandem between the employees at Twitter and their behaviors and the federal Bureau of Investigation, maybe Department of Homeland Security, unlikely the Central Intelligence Agency, but it's just anything goes now?
I wouldn't be surprised if the CIA was involved with Twitter for international type stuff.
I bet they had another embed.
But Jim Jordan is going a level deeper and he deserves credit for that.
I don't know if he'll be successful or not, but he certainly is trying and he's going in the right direction, which is like, okay, oh, you guys are a bunch of activists, whatever, it's fine, but we're not actually going to be able to get structural, meaningful change and/or revelations until we find out how the federal government is involved.
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