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Jan. 31, 2023 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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Transcend Fear, Transcend Pfizer with Dr. Robert Malone and Dr. Joseph Ladapo
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Dr. Malone Warns of Propaganda 00:01:42
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Today on the show, Dr. Joseph Ladapo and Dr. Robert Malone.
Both of us joined to talk about COVID, the propaganda war, and more.
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Joining us now is Dr. Robert Malone, to his great credit, his wisdom, his clairvoyance, and his courage.
Tried to warn us.
If there was a t-shirt that somebody earned, it would be Dr. Robert Malone walking around with a t-shirt that said, I tried to warn you.
And boy, did he try to warn us.
Dr. Robert Malone, welcome back to the program.
Charlie, it's always my pleasure.
Anytime you want me on, you just have to whistle.
Thank you.
Well, we whistled early this morning and you said yes.
Reaction to Pfizer Video Claims 00:14:43
Dr. Malone, let me get your immediate reaction to the Pfizer video that came out last week.
What's your reaction?
Well, I think you probably saw it.
It was appended to the video.
They showed me the embargoed version and then immediately got my reactions, which were basically shock.
Shock almost more at the cavalier attitude of the young physician and his complete lack of empathy and his smiling, joking casualness about revealing the corruption of the government completely, the corruption of regulatory affairs, the casual approach towards gain of function research or directed evolution.
I put out a substack in which I got the government's assessment of what is gain of function research and what they've been doing absolutely qualifies.
But for me, the thing that was most stunning was just the casual attitude about something that has caused such huge, huge death and destruction all over the world.
Why do you think that is?
I mean, they're so casual about it and arrogant, no empathy, no sympathy, no moral compass.
I mean, this is sociopathic behavior.
Well, so I'm given, I'm not a specialist.
I'm not a psychiatrist or a psychologist, but I'm given to understand that the fine line between sociopathy and psychopathy is whether or not one is born with an absence of empathy or one learns it.
And so I can't really distinguish, but I concur, and I'm trying to be so careful not to defame and slander this gentleman, given my own sensitivity to being defamed.
So I'm trying to really carefully choose my words.
I'm not his shrink.
I don't know what goes on in his head, but we can observe the behaviors.
And what is particularly worrisome is the Appearance that this represents an acceptable corporate culture and that it's likely to be much more widespread, which unfortunately is consistent with my own experience, both in these folks that believe themselves to be elite as well as in pharma in general, unfortunately.
He said that they are planning or exploring to mutate viruses in a lab to tailor a vaccine to sell to the public.
This is an extraordinary piece of information.
Yeah, so I did a deep dive on Friday and then on Saturday in our substack, or I guess it was Saturday night.
So it was Saturday morning and then Saturday night, taking apart first the Pfizer information control, this massive coordinated campaign that they deployed.
And then the second related link substack essay was my dissection of the actual press release that they put out.
And you haven't mentioned that yet.
But so you can go to the Pfizer website and see what their official statement is.
And I cross-referenced that with a Stat News article that came out many months ago.
And if you do that, if you allow yourself to compare those two documents, it's very clear that the Stat News article documents what the Pfizer press release is describing.
And that is full-on gain of function research.
And the amazing thing about the statement that came out from corporate HQ is that there's this unforced error where they start talking about their drug campaigns, drug development campaigns for antivirals.
And they flat out acknowledge they're doing gain of function research for that and that the government basically for their mea culpa is, yeah, we did it, but the government forced us to do it.
It's so clear now.
What they were doing was exactly what was done at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
It's exactly what was done at Boston University, almost line by line.
And it appears to be done in the Pearl River facility in New York, as well as in University of Texas Medical Branch, UTMB, by a Chinese physician.
It would be as if they're saying it's not happening, but we were forced to do it.
Like, wait, what exactly?
I'm not exactly tracking.
Yeah, exactly.
Well, that's in the clause.
There's a second component in their press release where they talk about Paxlovid and what they have to do for Paxlovid.
And in the first part, they're speaking about the JAB and their work with that.
And they start out with a line saying we don't do gain of function research.
And then they go on to describe experiments that are explicitly gain of function research that are identical to what was done at Boston University that got them in trouble.
And they also say that this is done with collaborators.
And if you cross-reference that to the stat news piece, you can see that the collaborators are actually an academic professor down at UTMB.
I want to play a piece of tape here and get your reaction.
This is the WHO has decided that the COVID pandemic is not over.
Play cut two.
The committee has advised me that, in its view, COVID-19 remains a global helm emergency.
And I agree.
They need an emergency to stay in power, but also is that a way for them to continue to cover up what they have done these last couple of years?
If the crisis is never over, how could you investigate the crisis?
That's a good point.
And notice how he's using the classic ploy of hiding behind a committee.
Yes, that's exactly.
So that's the usual kind of bureaucrats shell game.
Bobby Kennedy, you may recall on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial almost exactly a year ago, predicted exactly this and was hammered by MSNBC for doing it and called it crazy.
But he said outright, if we don't force them to relinquish this power, they will carry it for as long as they possibly can.
And he was dead on.
And they're going to continue in this state of perpetual and ongoing emergency until we either force our hand.
And that kind of goes this idea of justice and the next kind of chess move.
Let me ask you a question.
And I'm not really even sure how you're going to answer this.
Do you think that's the best ones?
Yeah.
Do you think that people are starting to wake up and or are you seeing a change in how the media is covering this?
Do you see any change in the hyperaggression in how they're covering it?
Are you seeing them become a little bit more tepid?
Do you think we're getting closer to turning the tables on these people?
Closer, yes.
And this is a, I think this is a period we're heading into that is really risky right now in terms of potential for violence and really reaction and counterreaction.
I've just come back last week from Stockholm and UK from in Stockholm, a meeting of 1,300 paying attendees that went on for two days along the river.
And I can tell you from that, there is deep anger that is just waiting to boil over all over in Europe.
Europe is actually waking up more than here in the States.
And there's going to be more hearings in March, towards the end of March in the European Parliament about this.
But there is more and more openness in Swiss lawyers and other European lawyers are bringing cases.
Here in the States, we're still having this great firewall.
And we saw it with the response to the Pfizer unfortunate events, courtesy of James O'Keefe.
Their ability to control media is profound.
It is awesome.
What they did was they completely wiped the young physician's name off the internet.
They have blocked everybody but Tucker Carlson from mainstream media from saying anything.
The Daily Mail put out an article immediately, one of the largest publications in the world.
Oh, my God.
And they immediately wiped it.
They've even wiped the Wayback Machine.
And then it was very clear this army, this swarm of trolls and bots and chaos agents suddenly ramped up all the rhetoric.
You could see it so clearly, so harmonized.
And it's just, I mean, in a sense, it's an awesome lesson in modern information warfare and modern information control.
And it's clearly been deployed by Pfizer, but may also have a component of our government, given all we've learned from the Twitter drops and the articles from Australia, Canada, and the UK that clearly document the involvement of their militaries in this fifth generation warfare psyops campaign that's been deployed against all of us, deployed against their own citizens.
It's really been a fascinating thing to see people that I otherwise thought were freedom-loving, liberty-loving people, where they obviously have limitations for topics they're willing to entertain or narratives they're willing to open their mind to.
And this has been the Overton window.
Overton window is key.
Yes, it's one of the most instructive tools to understand political dialogue and discourse and understand the spectrum of how things go from unthinkable to then public policy.
The left, they understand the Overton window quite well.
They are, they're very, like a tuning for like a, you know, just like tuning a radio or something.
They're just very, very good at it.
Yeah.
And they, they understand that if you do not move public sentiment and or control the means of the propaganda, then you are not able to then mandate a vaccine and then not care if it hurts people.
So, Dr. Malone, we need to keep the pressure on.
I think we have to use Solinsky's rules against them.
Keep the pressure on.
Use a tactic your people enjoy.
You have to find the kind of point of vulnerability, focus on it, personalize it.
Rule 13 of Solinsky's rules for radicals, isolate it, personalize it, polarize it.
Where do you think we should focus?
Because there's so many villains in the landscape.
There's so many different places where we could focus our energy.
You got Pfizer, you got AstraZeneca, you got Boston University, you got FDA, you got CDC, you got the Pfizer CEO.
Where do you think we should focus to be able to say, we either got this person removed, we learned something, and also work in harmony with the new Republican Congress?
What are your thoughts on that?
Personally, I think that our best hope at the moment is the proceedings that are going on with Rong DeSantis and his attorney general in suing Pfizer and the federal government for information.
But personally, I think that what we're in the middle of is a skirmish, and it's easy to get distracted from the big war.
And the big war is about this drive towards a centralized Marxist world that is coordinated around, you know, Tucker in the intermediate piece you just put on was talking about the WAF and BlackRock.
We're in a bigger war.
And even if we make progress here, and I think we are, I think you're right.
There is the overused metaphor, the light at the end of the tunnel.
We're seeing something.
And there is some evidence that some of the media is starting to crack the ice a little bit.
But this is just a skirmish, guys.
And we have to wake up and recognize that there has been decades of planning deployed.
And they're kind of doubling down.
They kind of don't care that they've been revealed.
You can see this in you played the clip with the WHO and Tedros, Agenda 2030, the Biden administration.
They don't care.
And that was one of the reveals with this gentleman from Pfizer and Pfizer's strategy.
Fighter's strategy was basically to wipe the internet and just don't talk about it.
And they have the power to do that.
That's right.
And not to interrupt too much, but Dr. Malone, I am given hope by one fact, though.
If their victory was inevitable, their propaganda would not be necessary.
Well put.
No, so you're a man of faith.
Yes.
And you know that this is one of those epic battles such as described repeatedly throughout literature and especially in the Bible.
And it is a battle of good and evil.
And in the end, good triumphs, but God bless us in the interim.
It is the battle and the struggle that should deepen your faith as you continue through this.
And I really believe it's good versus evil.
And I encounter a lot of cynicism, but I want to just reiterate what I just said.
If they thought they were going to win, they would not have to wipe things off the internet.
They would not have to deploy these shills and these surrogates.
They would not have to constantly lie about it.
It's an endgame.
They're playing for time.
They're playing for maintaining their power as long as they can, hoping they can bridge to the next crisis where they can fully deploy these things.
And it appears that, as you know, they're trying to manufacture crises.
That's right.
Whether it's weaponized health or it's climate change or it's the impending financial catastrophe that's literally around the corner.
There's a whole bunch of new crises they can exploit to scare the bejesus out of everybody here.
And we just got to be strong, respect each other, build community and stay unified and stay grounded.
Don't get lost in all of this cloud of abstractions.
Cyber warfare.
I mean, and that's important.
They want you to be staring at abstractions and really the creations of the vapor of ideologues, where if you actually...
It's the old game.
Rasmataz, Rasmataz.
Blueprint for Mindful Leadership 00:11:22
That's exactly right.
Don't look over here.
Yeah, and it's simple as old distraction tactics.
The American people can wake up, but it takes a small remnant of anti-fragile truth tellers.
And we'll have you back on another time, Dr. Malone, where I'm sure you're familiar with the Nassim Taleb theory of anti-fragility.
I think that our group have become more anti-fragile, which is a great thing, which actually means more resilient.
Well, that's interesting.
If you read, I'll send you the book.
I think you'll love it.
He argues that anti-fragile is actually a step above resilient.
It's people that get stronger the more you attack it, where resilient people remain neutral.
Anti-fragile people grow in strength the more attacks you endure.
Anyway, that's that's it.
I look forward to reading that.
It's going to make me feel good.
Oh, it's a fabulous treatise where he argues that the anti-fragile make change happen.
And the more attacks you get, it actually increases not and resilient people stay neutral.
Anyway, Dr. Malone, we'll have to talk about that at another time.
I'll send you the book.
It changed my life.
Thank you very much.
Email us freedom at charliekirk.com.
We're out of time.
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Joining us now is one of the most courageous people in America.
And he has a book out that we want to discuss with him and also talked about some of the news surrounding the COVID vaccine and investigations into it.
It's Dr. Joseph Ladapo, Transcend Fear, a Blueprint for Mindful Leadership in Public Health.
Doctor, welcome back to the program.
Hey, thanks.
Pleasure to be back chatting with you today.
Thank you.
Tell us about your book.
The book is a book about, yes, decision-making and public health, but really more, frankly, about my own personal journey in terms of how I came to be able to speak honestly, even when it was very unpopular, and how the process that I personally went through to get there.
So I wanted to share that for other people who might be interested in that path.
And I talk about that in the book.
Yeah.
So tell us how you think that can apply now in a time where we have the most suicidal, alcohol-addicted, drug-addicted generation in history.
Walk us through some of the lessons are in your book that you think can apply to the nation's young people.
Oh, yeah.
Well, that's a great, that's a great question.
And I think really what, you know, when I talk about my book is how I went from being someone who was very disconnected, emotionally disconnected to myself to, and very, very much fear-ridden, very, very much running a frequency of fear.
That was a major part of my life to being someone who was no longer living dominated by fear.
I mean, I get scared every now and then, but it's no longer, it doesn't define any of my decisions.
And I also am way more connected to myself.
I had some childhood trauma that disconnected me and I didn't know it.
I didn't realize the extent of it until I fell in love with my wife and finally had to deal with it.
And fortunately, I had an opportunity to get help from it, from a very special guy.
And so all of that stuff, you know, you said, whether it's suicide, mental health stuff, drug abuse, especially drug abuse, right?
So often it's about disconnecting from your environment, disconnecting because of pain.
Oh, I mean, almost pretty much all of that stuff, pretty much all of our ills, all of our ailments connect back to being disconnected from our emotional, spiritual self, to for whatever reason.
And yes, so many problems connect to that.
So it's a, it's, it really is a, it really is a solution to so many things.
And of course, the craziness of COVID wouldn't have happened if there weren't so many people who were so essentially primed to be, you know, to just be perfect bait for government trash.
That's right.
Just, can you just give us some details in the blueprint in your book?
It's Transcend Fear, a Blueprint for Mindful Leadership and Public Health.
Just give us a little bit, just a few of the details that are included in your blueprint.
Oh, sure thing, Charlie.
So basically, I was a kid.
It was like sexual abuse from a babysitter who worked for us when I was four or five years old.
And I was too young to comprehend what was happening or to take it in.
And because of that, I didn't know it at the time.
But what happened is that because the experience was so overwhelming, it disconnected me from myself.
And so I went through life thinking I was normal, thinking that how I was feeling was normal, and thinking that the thing that had happened was not a big deal.
It happened.
It's in the past, et cetera.
And it took falling in love with my wife to learn that that was a big lie I've been telling myself, my subconscious, our brains will do whatever it takes to protect us.
And that was what was happening to me.
And here I was in a wonderful relationship with my wife.
And in terms of love, but in terms of day-to-day, I was making her miserable because I had all these, all these issues that had come up and had been unresolved.
And I ended up working with the Navy SEAL named Christopher Meher.
And it sounds wild.
I mean, I didn't believe any of it when I only went to him because my wife demanded that I see him.
But thank God she did.
So he used methods from Chinese meridian theory.
I mean, it sounds crazy, but it literally is how each and every one of us in this world work.
Like literally the meridian stuff, the flow of qi, the different organ systems that connect with different chakras or different parts of meridians, Chinese meridian theory.
It's totally real.
And you get more chi flowing through things, specific types of physical manipulation.
A lot of it is very painful initially.
And the pain is because there's a blockage of qi through whatever channel or whatever meridian is being addressed.
But it's a lot of physical stuff, a lot of isometric, concentric, and eccentric muscular contraction stuff.
I mean, it sounds wild, but honestly, it was, I mean, it was a miracle for me.
I worked with him for five days and I was literally, you know, I wouldn't even say reborn.
I was back to who I always was inside, but without all the garbage and the baggage that I accumulated over 40 years of my life.
I want to get to some current events, but I just want to reiterate the book, Transcend Fear, a Blueprint for Mindful Leadership in Public Health.
So I want to play a piece of tape here and get your reaction.
This is a conversation Joe Rogan had with Florian Daughery, the world's top static breath holder, who says that after he got the COVID shot, he was diagnosed with myocarditis.
His resting heart rate doubled and his diving performance decreased by 30%.
Play cut 17 of a very powerful dialogue Joe Rogan just had.
You know the guy who has the world record in the static hold?
He might have to quit his career because he got myocarditis from being vaccinated.
He lost like 30% of his ability to hold his breath.
So this is from his Instagram.
It says, I want to share my annoying experience after vaccination.
Said after my second dose of the vaccine, I noticed my heart rate was way higher than normal and my breath hold capacity went down significantly.
During sleep, I'm at 65 to 70 beats per minute instead of 37 to 45 beats per minute.
During the day, I'm now over, wow, I'm now always over 100 beats per minute instead of 65, even when I sit down and relax.
So, doctor, this is an elite performer.
This is someone who monitors his health and his resting heartbeat.
Not something everyone monitors.
What's your immediate reaction here?
You know, this stuff breaks my heart.
I'm actually looking here on my phone.
I want to show you something.
Let me see if I can find it real quickly.
Just to, let me see here.
I'm looking for the, okay, here's my stuff, right?
So this is, this is, this is, I believe very strongly in fitness.
So this is, I don't know if you'll be able to see it.
Let's see if I can get it.
Yeah, sure.
So this is my like iPhone app thing, right?
So my, I think it's got over the past week, my resting is 43 and then it goes to 170 something when I'm, when I'm exercising.
So to think that people, like I'm imagining, if I, I can't imagine the amount of bitterness people must feel, right?
Because you work to stay, you know, to stay fit.
There's a lot of pride in that.
There's a lot of, you know, you feel good and it's part of your identity, which is okay, right?
You work to be fit.
You think it's important for you to do it.
You know, this guy has a sport that he, you know, he's obviously passionate about and really committed to.
And he gets robbed of that.
I'm imagining if something like that happened to me, if I took some medication, which is what it is, it's a medication.
This is COVID-19 mRNA COVID-19 vaccine.
And you, and then something that, you know, my ability to run or how my heart works was forever changed.
It's devastating.
I mean, it's people, there must be so many angry, bitter people out there.
Well, there are.
And I was just, I was getting frozen yogurt over the weekend.
Vaccine Risks and Pregnancy 00:07:16
And this young man who was just in the Marine Corps was like, yeah, I got the COVID shot, immediately got myocarditis.
I got discharged.
The military wouldn't investigate it.
They, you know, they discharged the whole thing.
He said, now I'm on all this different medication.
He said, now I'm at a higher risk for a heart attack.
He said, I was perfect beforehand as soon as he got the shot.
And the government, of course, doesn't care less.
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Maddie DeGray was one of 1,131 children in Pfizer's clinical trial for children ages 12 to 15.
Pfizer officially recorded Maddie's paralysis and neurological disorder as abdominal pain when reporting clinical trial results to the FDA.
Did Pfizer lie here?
Play cut one.
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There are others across the country like her, but they are ignored by the FDA and the media.
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So, doctor, you're looking into this into Florida.
Tell our audience what you are doing in Florida to get to the truth.
Yeah, you bet.
We are, we're definitely going to look hard and we're doing that.
And basically, the bottom line is, as everyone who has a shred of honesty will admit, there's been a total propaganda campaign in terms of quote-unquote messaging about the mRNA COVID-19 shots.
And basically, if it's bad news, it's like it's not fit for news.
Everyone ought to be able to be able to come to agreement about that.
And there have been a few things.
And, you know, someone might counter and say, oh, well, the FDA and the CDC acknowledge myocarditis.
Well, let's not rewrite history.
So after giving millions of doses, Dr. Walinski was quoted as saying something like, we've looked in millions of people received this and we haven't found any evidence that there's an increased risk of myocarditis, right?
Like she said that, the CDC said that months after giving millions of doses and it was clearly already shining through in data from Israel.
So this has been the most dishonest vaccine campaign certainly in my lifetime.
And there are a lot of areas where there are questions.
There are questions about pregnancy and the safety of these vaccines, these mRNA COVID-19 vaccines in pregnancy.
And we're looking more closely at that.
Some studies have been published.
But again, we know that studies that are being published right now in leading journals, they pretty much only get published if they have one message.
You look at the study of subclinical myocarditis.
We talked about the diver who had, unfortunately, he had very serious myocarditis.
There's evidence now that a lot of people may be getting heart inflammation.
It's just not so serious that they're going to the hospital.
And that's just, that's not getting, that's not getting published in the leading journals.
So we're looking more closely, as I said, at pregnancy.
We're looking at the safety of these vaccines in our Floridians who are under 18, the children who've been approved for these vaccines.
And we're also looking at just long-term effects on overall survival and mortality in adults.
We published some stuff.
I mean, we've released some stuff, I should say, from some of our studies, and we're doing more.
So we are definitely very serious with using our public health surveillance machine in Florida to look closely.
And, you know, it kills me that more states aren't doing this, but it's unfortunately just part of the propaganda that is just really...
And by the way, that poor, poor little girl and the symptoms that she developed after receiving the vaccine, it's, I mean, you look at the manuscript and there appears, you know, I haven't reviewed the clinical documentation firsthand, but it certainly appears that there is a clear difference between what was documented in the publication and that woman's experience.
And she's not the only person who was a trial participant and feels that they had an adverse event, related or not, it happened.
It's supposed to be documented, but that they weren't adequately followed up by Pfizer or whoever was, they contracted out the research.
Look, we're not going to lose focus on this.
I know you're not either.
They're going to, eventually the truth is going to come out and it really seems like it's happening gradually.
And then I think it's going to happen suddenly.
There are so many victims.
There are so many people that now have complications.
And yes, of course, people that unfortunately have passed away.
And the media is actually becoming far more tepid on this topic.
They're still calling, you know, they're still smearing, but they are not as entrenched in their position as they were a year ago.
The media is starting to be like, yeah, there might be something here.
I think their move is going to be to blame Trump.
I think that's their parachute.
Doctor, thank you so much.
You're doing a wonderful job in Florida.
We're out of time.
Check out the book, Transcend Fear.
Thank you so much.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
Email me your thoughts as always.
Freedom at CharlieKirk.com.
Thank you so much for listening and God bless.
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