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Jan. 13, 2023 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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What's The Matter With The Senate? with Rick Scott and Byron Donalds
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Mitch McConnell's New Plan 00:15:22
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Joining us now is Senator Scott from Florida.
We are thankful he's making time for us.
I know he is busy doing many things, but unfortunately, he's not busy in D.C. because the Senate, I don't think, is working as hard as they should be.
And I think Senator Scott will agree.
Senator, welcome to the program.
Charlie, it's always great to be with you.
I'm traveling in the state.
I've been traveling for the last two weeks.
I've been talking about the things we're trying to get done to make Washington actually work for Americans.
And then this afternoon, I'm going to go up and tour some of what we're trying to do to help the hurricane victims up after Ian.
I'm going to be up in Fort Myers in a little bit.
Well, glad you were able to make time and love the beautiful state of Florida.
So let's just kind of get your thoughts on the midterms in general.
I was very underwhelmed, obviously, by certain results.
And you've made a public, let's say, challenge or disagreement with current Senate leadership and their appropriation of funds.
Let's play your new advertisement, actually, which I think is terrific.
Let's play CUT 66.
People told me not to run for Republican leader against Mitch McConnell.
They said I wouldn't win.
I knew it was going to be hard, but we got to start somewhere.
Look, we're on the road to woke socialism, and Republicans are just a speed bump.
We can't keep doing the same old thing.
It's time for Republicans to be bold, speak the truth, and stop caving in.
Help us change our party.
Join us at rescueamerica.com.
I'm Rick Scott.
I've proved this message.
So, Senator, I believe that ad is recent.
And so, tell us about that.
You're doubling down.
I think that Mitch McConnell has got to go, and he has done some real damage to our country.
The omnibus is just the latest example.
Walk us through your current plans, your calculus, and what do you think is the state of Senate Republican leadership?
Well, I ran against Republican.
I ran against Mitch McConnell because I think we have to have a new direction.
I mean, probably one of the best examples is this omnibus.
We're two weeks away from having Republican leadership in the House, and we let Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer write an ominous bill, and then Mitch McConnell supports it, votes for it.
And that's wrong.
I mean, that's not, I mean, we didn't get rid of the IRS agents with it.
I mean, there's nothing.
I mean, there's good spending, probably.
There's something good probably in the bill that was logical.
But, you know, we've got $31.5 trillion worth of debt.
It hadn't didn't have Republican priorities, had Democrat priorities in there.
And so I wanted a new direction.
And I'm going to keep fighting for a new direction.
We've got a great Republican Party out around the country.
We ought to start having the Republican Party in D.C., which we don't.
Stop caving into the Democrats.
I mean, the China bill, the gun bill, the infrastructure bill.
All those were just caves to Democrats.
It wasn't Republican priorities.
Those were Democrat priorities.
And I think we've got to change this party.
If we want to win elections, we've got to say, don't just do what some people want to do and say, well, the Democrats are bad, which they are.
We've got to say, but this is what we're going to do, and we're hell-bent on doing it.
So I think what happened in the House with the, you know, the fight over leadership is that, you know, there's a lot of House members that said, you know, we've got to change the direction in how we're governing.
And I want to do the same thing in the Senate.
We're going to.
I'm not giving up.
And there's a lot of us that are going to fight, I think.
Yeah, we're starting to see some hustle and bustle out of the House of Representatives recently.
And we're starting to see some results and really putting together strong committees and repealing the 87,000 IRS agents.
What I hear from the grassroots, though, Senator, what I hear from the small dollar donors and the activists is a fair amount of cynicism about Mitch McConnell and the senators.
Can you just walk me through?
And I know you have to be careful and respectful with this, but what the heck are your colleagues thinking re-electing Mitch McConnell as leader?
I don't understand it at all.
And our audience certainly doesn't.
I don't either.
I think here's the way I think leadership goes.
I'm a business guy.
And what you do is you come up with your business plan, and then you say, for this business plan, who would be the right person to execute it?
That's how you do business.
And so, and you hire people that way.
Well, what we should do is we should hire a leader, a Republican leader in the Senate, to implement the policies that we believe in.
If we want to balance the budget, it would be hard.
So what?
We ought to have a leader that's committed to balancing the budget.
Say we don't want to keep caving into the Democrats.
And let's say, well, who wouldn't do that?
And so that's the way you have to think about it.
Right now, what we've got is Mitch McConnell.
He keeps caving in to the Democrats.
I mean, the infrastructure bill had very little to do with infrastructure.
I mean, it spent, I think, new dollars for roads, bridges, and airports and seaports.
What I spent per year in Florida, and that was for the whole country.
But it was a Green New Deal.
And then you saw, you know, you saw Mitch McConnell go basically have a campaign event with Joe Biden on the infrastructure bill, which most of us vote against.
I mean, we voted against it.
We knew it's a bad bill.
It doesn't make any sense to me.
And it's disappointing.
But here's what I believe.
I believe the Republican Party around the country is going to demand we change.
I think we've elected some new senators.
Hopefully they're going to say, I just got off the campaign trail.
This is what people are telling me.
And if they do, they're going to say, we want accountability in government.
We want a balanced budget.
We want a strong military.
We don't want wokeism.
And then so that's what we have to do.
Stop caving in.
People are mad that Republicans cave in to the Democrats.
I hear it all the time.
People are mad.
We're very mad.
And they should be.
Yes.
I mean, we should be.
I mean, I tell people, you go campaign on something, govern like that.
Don't hope people don't look at what you vote.
Brag about your votes.
If you can't explain your vote, that's not the public's problem.
That's your problem.
I completely agree.
And so what is then your plan?
Because you're not giving up to build a consensus amongst members and amongst the grassroots to challenge McConnell again.
And I don't even mean the policy plan, Senator.
What is your plan to be able to navigate that country club that calls itself the U.S. Senate so that you could become Senate leader from raising money or to messaging?
Is that something you're still going to go after in the next year and a half, two years?
Or what is your current blueprint?
Absolutely.
I'm not giving up.
Good.
Charlie, I'm not giving up.
But here's the way I think about the Senate.
So I meet every Tuesday we're in session with Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Ron Johnson, Mike Braun.
All right.
We get together and we say, what are we going to do to make sure that we hold government accountable?
Watch our dollars.
And so there'll be more as we do this more and more.
There's going to be more.
But you know what the real key is?
It's you.
It's the public that are going to demand their senators to do what they committed to them when they ran for office.
Look, I'm simply a reflection of my state.
Right?
So I represent, I tell people, I represent Florida.
Look, I'm not going to tell you how you should vote.
Floridians voted for me on a platform.
I said, this is what I'm going to do.
They had eight years to watch me as governor.
I paid off a third of the state debt.
Paid it off.
I balanced a budget every year.
I didn't borrow more money.
I fixed the pension plan.
I fixed our property insurance plan.
I said, this is what I'm going to do in D.C. I'm going to try to do the exact same thing.
I'm a business guy.
I'm a fixer-upper.
I go find problems and I fix them.
If you want somebody that's just going to go have lunch with people, I'm not your guy.
Don't hire me.
When you vote for me, you're hiring me.
I completely agree.
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So, Senator Scott, how are you going to navigate now being in the Senate minority?
What power, if any, do you have to be able to issue subpoenas and have meaningful oversight be done?
I think the biggest thing we do is we each have a pulpit, and we can talk about things.
That's why I think what's going on in the House right now is you're starting to see a lot of people are out there being vocals.
That's the biggest thing.
And I put out my plan at rescueamerica.com.
I think everybody ought to say, this is what I believe in, and let's fight over what the right answer is.
That's one.
Number two is we won't be able to, you know, the way the committee structure works, the Democrats will control the committees.
But if the public demands that we really have better understanding of what, you know, Joe Biden and Hunter Biden's relationship was with China, then Democrats are going to have to do it.
So I think the key is we need to get out there, talk about the issues, and put the Democrats in position.
You know, there's going to be, I think, what, 24 Democrats up this next cycle.
They're going to have to start worrying about their election.
So I think we have to be constantly out there.
So I can propose bills.
I can push things on committees.
I can ask the federal government for more accountability.
So like yesterday, I talked to Secretary Mayorkus on Homeland Security about, I mean, the 400% increase in migrants in the Florida Keys.
Now, I'm going to be very vocal that it's his job to fix this.
I mean, I think he has misrepresented or lied, whatever you want to call it, where we are on the border, but I'm going to hold him accountable.
He'll be coming to talk in front of committees, and I'm going to ask him how he's doing.
And I'm going to do that with everybody.
That's what every senator has the option to do this.
We just all have to be very aggressive at doing it.
Yeah, I hope that there is some ability to be able to use the power there.
And this is Senator, the Senate is supposed to be able to block bills because of the filibuster.
And then Republicans willingly go along with the omnibus, right?
And it just makes a lot of people throw up their hands.
Please continue.
Sorry.
Charlie, it's up to us, though, right?
It's up to us to demand that our senators represent our states and don't do that.
Here's the thing, think about it.
We're going to have, you know, Mitch McConnell blinked on the debt ceiling.
The debt ceiling is going to come up again.
We all committed.
Every Republican senator committed, right, we would not vote to raise a debt ceiling without either reducing our expenses or having structural change, which will force that in the future.
Then, of course, some of them did.
So we just got to be out there.
All of us have to be out there vocal and say, that is wrong.
You are not representing me when you do that.
And so I think if we do the right things are going to happen.
I think the House is going to be a good partner.
I'm optimistic that the House is going to start holding people accountable and they'll give us the opportunity to work out.
Yeah, so Senator, I mean, now that the House has passed new rules, in some ways, it almost has a overflow effect, right?
That you guys now have to kind of live by the House rules.
Is that fair to say?
Absolutely.
And they're going to send bills over, right?
And you're right.
As long as we stick together and don't give the nine votes they need to pass legislation, right, then we have power.
Use it.
Use it to do what we govern on.
Use it to make this country a better place.
Use it to balance the budget.
Use it to pay down debt.
Use it to have a strong military, strong schools, reduce crime, the things that Americans care about.
We've got to use the power and our obligation.
I got elected to do these things.
We all did.
Republicans got elected on a fiscal responsibility platform.
We all did.
I don't know.
One Republican went out there and said, you know, I'm for bigger taxes and bigger government and got elected.
So do what we said we're going to do.
I'm going to do everything I can.
And I know there's other, I've got, you know, I know Mike Lee will, Ted Cruz will, Ron Johnson will, Mike Braun will, and I hope others will.
Yeah, and I just think that finally we are in a place now where because the House is not able to do that, for example, if the if McConnell goes to Schumer and they say they want to do this big bill, they're now going to have to say, well, we can't send it to the House because they have their own rules.
Now, of course, spending bills have to originate in the House, but sometimes the Senate is able to negotiate first.
And so this is now going to change the entire negotiation process.
It should.
But just think about the omnibus.
They started the omnibus in the Senate.
They didn't follow the rules.
Addressing Retiree Payments Now 00:11:46
Yep.
They just make up their money.
All right.
Well, Senator I.
Oh, but I'm optimistic, Charlie.
Yeah, well, thank you, Senator, for your courage, and I pray that you can become Senate majority leader one day.
We should be in the majority of the Senate.
It's ridiculous that we're not.
Adam Laxalt should have won, but Mitch McConnell was too busy spending, what, $8 million on Lisa Murkowski and sending money on a primary in New Hampshire.
But you've deployed your money from your super PAC, I think, prudently, Senator, and I want to compliment you for that.
Senator, thank you for joining the show.
Appreciate it.
Hey, Charlie, take care.
Have a good day.
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Merrick Garland has now named a special counsel to investigate Joe Biden's document handlings, play cut 89.
On January 5th, 2023, Mr. Lausch briefed me on the results of his initial investigation and advised me that further investigation by a special counsel was warranted.
Based on Mr. Lausch's initial investigation, I concluded that under the special counsel regulations, it was in the public interest to appoint a special counsel.
In the days since, while Mr. Lausch continued the investigation, the department identified Mr. Hur for appointment as special counsel.
This morning, President Biden's personal counsel called Mr. Lausch and stated that an additional document bearing classification markings was identified at the president's personal residence in Wilmington, Delaware.
This is a shadow government pincer movement.
You have two simultaneous, allegedly independent counsels both going after a former president and a current president for different reasons.
Donald Trump, the obvious one, we don't have to belabor the point.
For Joe Biden, though, Joe Biden, because of his unpopularity and because of the risk that Joe Biden introduces into the 2024 election cycle, it's no guarantee that he would win again or win again, go get into office again.
Let me put it that way.
Let me be precise with our language.
They need to do a pincer movement.
And so Attorney General Garland is greenlighting this, trying to act as if the Department of Justice is fair and impartial.
And this is also because Republicans now control the House of Representatives and there at least is a threat of some form of a check and balance.
This also is not great news for Donald Trump.
The fact that they are putting a special counsel, this is what's going to happen.
This special counsel will likely vindicate Joe Biden, like, oh, okay, kind of like Hillary Clinton.
She didn't store her emails correctly, but we're not going to indict her.
But the special counsel into Trump is almost assuredly going to indict Donald Trump and or the Fulton County investigation in Georgia.
They need to try to keep up some form of an appearance, some sort of an aesthetic that they are impartial and that they are fair.
This is not about Joe Biden's crimes and all of that.
There's plenty there.
This is about removing someone who is a threat to the regime because he might not win.
And air quotes again.
Joining us now is Congressman Byron Donalds.
Congressman, welcome to the program.
You were one of the holdouts last week.
And it looks like since Speaker McCarthy has become Speaker McCarthy, the pace has been extraordinary.
Swawal off committees, Elon Omar off committee, Adam Schiff off committee, anti-CCP committee, the church committee.
Are you guys able to keep up this pace?
Yeah, we are because that's just the investigative stuff and there's going to be more to come.
But we haven't even gotten into border policy, energy policy, financial services policy, capital markets.
What we're going to have to start thinking through about tax policy as the tax, as the Trump tax cuts are going to expire in a couple of years, there's a lot of work to be done.
The country has been neglected for far too long.
And House Republicans, we're committed to that work.
Yeah.
And so what obviously not having the Senate is a barrier in some sense, but walk our audience through some of the rule changes that you were able to broker last week.
Well, a couple of things.
Everybody's been talking about the motion to vacate.
That's one.
I think it's important for people to understand that for more than 100 years, any member of the House of Representatives could have went to the floor and called for a motion to vacate the chair.
Anyone member, Republican or Democrat, didn't matter.
Nancy Pelosi is the one who changed the rules.
She's the one that said, no, I don't want this rule when she was speaker.
And so we were saying, well, look, we shouldn't be following Nancy's rules.
Let's get back to the rules of the people's body.
That's what we did.
That's one.
Second one is on germaneness and single subjects.
We put it in there, and it's actually very clear language that was refined and beefed up to make sure that what we're doing here is a bill that if the bill is about spending in the Defense Department, it is about spending in the Defense Department.
If it's about a post office, it's about a post office.
But what happens too often, the omnibus package is indicative.
That was a coin bill.
The Senate basically opened up a coin bill and dumped in $1.7 trillion in spending.
That is not going to be allowed in the House of Representatives.
The Senate can pass whatever they want, but they've been put on notice.
If you do that, Mess and you send it here, it's going to be out of order.
That's number two.
Number three, the weaponization of the federal government, a church committee that was announced.
Part of the negotiations was making sure that that church committee could have all of the teeth necessary to be effective.
We don't want to get into the business of just doing dog and pony shows.
If we're going to do something, we want it to be effective.
So that was part of the process there.
Then the other piece was just making sure that every part of the conference was reflected in terms of their political viewpoints on all committees.
That way, whether you're talking about budget, you're talking about energy and commerce, appropriations, and so on and so forth, that there are people who are more moderate in their leaning and more conservative in their leanings at the table going through this policy that affects the American people.
Yeah.
And so what committees are you personally going to be on?
Do you know that yet or is that still being decided?
So actually yesterday I was appointed to the Financial Services Committee.
On a personal note, financial services is actually how I got into politics.
That's going back to 2008.
I remember watching that committee when they were going over Dodd-Frank and all that stuff.
And I just thought that they had no idea what they were doing.
Still don't think they had any idea that they knew what they were doing.
But it's what got me, it's, you know, it's got me interested in politics.
So, you know, we've now come full circle, I guess.
So I'm going to be serving on that committee.
And then there's still a potential I'll serve on oversight in this Congress as well.
You are a finance professional.
Joy Reed is not.
First, I want to compliment you for going on Joy Reed.
You significantly boosted her show, which is miserable to watch.
I think that it's torture, but good for you for doing that.
Let's play cut 70 because Joy Reed, let's just let the tape speak for itself.
Play Cut 70.
Do you know that Social Security is going to be insolvent in 2020?
It is not Cut.
That is not true.
That's actually not true.
No, it's actually not true.
It's actually not true.
It's actually not true.
That's actually not true.
That's actually true.
You'll go insolvent.
That's actually not true.
Those are the facts.
That's not true.
Should we not?
That is not true.
Congressman, you're right.
Elaborate.
Well, first of all, listening to the clip, I didn't realize that they boomed, they boomed her mic over mine.
Of course.
It was effectively cutting me off, but that's another point.
Oh, listen, the Congressional Budget Office, the Office of Management and Budget, the Congressional Research Service have all said that Social Security is going to go insolvent in 2035 or maybe sooner.
One of the things that has impacted Social Security in a negative way is the fact that during the COVID lockdowns, there just weren't payroll taxes going into the system in order to pay Social Security benefits.
So we are going to have to take a look at that at some point in the future, and we can do that in a responsible way.
But make no mistakes, it's going to be insolvent.
My view is, is that we need to sit down and start to have plans about how to address it, where you are taking care of the current retirees who will be able to get their payments that they were promised and will continue to be able to deliver that while at the same time making the necessary adjustments for future Americans so that if they still want to take advantage of Social Security in the future, that it's there for them as well.
That's what we're talking about.
But to put your head in the sand and say it's not insolvent, it's not going insolvent, then you're lying to yourself and you're lying to the American people.
Well, truth is not a left-wing value.
And Joy Reid is a dumb person.
I hate to be that blunt.
She's just not very smart.
You continue talking to Joy Reed, Cut69, about the woke military policies, PlayCut 69.
One of the reasons that we have to get into some woke policies at the Department of Defense is because recruitment is down at the Department of Defense.
If our military is not prepared to deal with battles in the future, because recruitment is down, shouldn't we go in and investigate?
And it should be a, should be no question at all to investigate it.
Your thoughts, Byron?
Look, I totally agree.
It makes no sense at all.
We already know about the diversity, equity, and inclusion programs in every branch of the military.
Members of our armed services have been talking about this.
There was one gentleman in particular lost his commission because he wrote a book over it.
We have to dig into this.
And last but not least, recruitment is down.
Our military has one job, and let's just be very blunt.
It is to defend the homeland, fight wars, and if worse comes to worse, yes, kill the enemy.
That is the job of the military.
It is not a social experiment.
And what is happening over there is to the detriment of the United States.
Congressman Donalds, I'm excited to see what the future holds in store for you.
It wasn't Speaker of the House this time, but I think there's some big things.
Keep fighting for liberty.
You were super impressive on Joy Reed.
She showed us who she is, which we've always known.
She's a low IQ left-wing activist, and you were stoic.
You were poised.
You were full of joy and charisma and clarity.
And I'd love to see you do more of that.
Thank you, Congressman.
Talk to you soon.
All right.
Thank you, Charlie.
See ya.
Someone says here, Charlie, you're brilliant and amazing young man.
Thank you.
I've enjoyed watching you for years.
Please don't fall into the traditional ad hominem trap.
Calling Joy Reed low IQ is unbecoming and acting like the enemy.
I have no issues saying that she is showing her true colors and she's an activist.
It just looks ugly when an ad hominem is in play and you know it.
It's a fallacy.
No, Melanie, I disagree.
She's dumb.
She's stupid.
She's an ignorant person, also full of hate.
So it's not ad hominem if it's true.
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So look, I want to elaborate a little bit more on the moral necessity of checking and balancing the fourth branch of government.
We Are A Republic Not Democracy 00:03:35
As described in the United States Constitution, as we have right here, you have Article 1, 2, and 3, which establishes the structure, the framework of the United States Constitution.
Yes, I asked them to get me a Constitution.
We have one that Turning Point USA makes, but this is just a printout, which I do appreciate.
Look, Article 1, 2, and 3, it sets up the three main branches of government.
Now, when James Madison was asked, what is the brilliance of the United States Constitution?
He wrote about the structure of the U.S. Constitution.
As Justice Antonin Scalia would repeatedly say, every banana republic has a Bill of Rights, but it is the framework and it is the adherence to that framework that allows you to stay free.
Now, the guiding moral premise of the United States Constitution is that you are a free being with agency, with free will, the ability to make choices, and that you have natural rights.
And those natural rights are given to you by a creator that is given to you by something greater than you.
Therefore, you must understand and recognize that those rights are not given to you by government, but government is formed by man by necessity to protect and preserve those rights.
Now, the federal government is a republic, not a democracy.
If I have to, every time I hear, we're a democracy, we're a democracy, it just really drives me nuts.
We are not a democracy, we are a republic.
We've been through the differences there.
In fact, democracy assuredly leads to dictatorship time and time and time again.
Democracy left unchecked is the whims of the masses, eventually voting themselves more benefits, voting themselves less liberty and freedom.
When eventually a benevolent dictator comes in, that turns out to be not so benevolent.
Now, this fourth branch of government that you hear me talk about quite often, this is one of my most passionate topics that I don't think gets enough coverage and enough philosophical or historical explanation in most conservative media.
Woodrow Wilson, who was a college professor, then a college president.
I don't know if he was ever a professor, but he was president of Princeton University, and then he became governor of New Jersey, won the election of 1912 because William Howard Taft and Teddy Roosevelt largely split the Republican vote between the Republican Party and the Bull News Party.
Woodrow Wilson won with a plurality, not a majority, of the vote in 1912 and became one of the worst most progressive presidents.
He was the first president to write that the founding fathers were not as advanced as the people of the 1913, 14, 15, 16.
He gave us some of the worst measures, including getting rid of the direct election of senators from instituting the income tax.
But Woodrow Wilson's lasting legacy was the embracing of a German historicist philosophical tradition that was started in the late 1860s and 70s, believing that it is the state.
It's very Hegelian in nature.
It is the state.
It is the Leviathan.
It is the administration of experts that is going to bring forth a better world.
You see, now that we are more enlightened than Thomas Jefferson and James Madison and John Jay and John Quincy Adams and the American founders and their sons and their immediate generations, we are more enlightened because we have trains and we have steam-powered engines and we have the, well, they have the printing press, but we are able to advance to higher purposes.
And that is the birth of the administrative state.
The administrative state best explained is that councils of experts, as Plato would call them, philosopher kings, are better able to make decisions for your life and for the future of our civilization than you yourself, your family, your community, your municipality, or your locality can.
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This was never in the original intent or design of the U.S. Constitution.
It is extra-constitutional.
And Congress, instead of doing its job the last 100 years, has continually delegated those powers out to this fourth branch of government.
They have kicked their oversight abilities to the IRS, to the FBI, to the CIA, to the FTC, to the EPA.
And this fourth branch of government is very permanent.
It is filled with bureaucrats or bureaucracy.
In French, that means desk workers.
To finally be able to check and balance and to investigate them is going back to hopefully restore, it's going to take a long time, a lot of effort, a 100-year deviation from the original intent of the U.S. Constitution.
That is the significance of finally being able to have a church committee and have it be properly staffed.
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