The Most Conservative Congress in History with Troy Nehls and Liz Wheeler
There has been a breakthrough in the battle for the speakership, and the 20 GOP holdouts have dwindled to just six. Charlie explains how these defections are not a mark of defeat, but reflect negotiations that will make the 2023 House quite possibly the most conservative one in American history. Congressman Troy Niehls joins to describe some of the investigations and budget negotiations that conservatives can look forward to once a speaker is finally decided. Then, Liz Wheeler of The Liz Wheeler Show joins to talk about Damar Hamlin's heart attack on Monday Night Football, and the evidence that Hamlin's collapse might be related to a Covid-19 vaccine.Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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House Floor Updates00:10:37
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Currently, there is some rather interesting news happening on the House floor.
Mary Miller, Scott Perry, the head of the House Freedom Caucus, Ralph Norman, Anna Paulina Luna, Byron Donalds, Andrew Clyde, Michael Cloud, Josh Bretchen, and Dan Bishop have switched their votes to Kevin McCarthy in this latest round.
As I predicted, which came under pretty intense ridicule from some of you that emailed me, this has been a tactic of negotiation.
So I think there's anywhere between six to nine holdouts right now.
Is that right?
I don't know the final number.
Somebody said there were as much as 13 holdouts.
We don't know.
And by holdouts, I mean people that are not going to vote for Kevin McCarthy.
But as I predicted earlier in the program, because we have been talking to these patriots that are doing this for quite some time, that their strategy, many of them, some of the strategy is no Kevin, no Kevin, no Kevin, no Kevin, which I understand that many of you are sympathetic with.
Other people say don't like Kevin, not my first choice, but also Kevin has 150 to 175 votes baked in.
So therefore, let's try to get the most conservative Congress possible.
Let's go to this email here.
Okay, Charlie, aloha.
Hello.
Please refresh my memory why we do not want Jim Jordan for speaker.
Why is the majority wanting McCarthy?
Is it because President Trump, this seems to be like some sign of deal going on?
I don't feel secure at this.
I would love to have Jim Jordan.
Now, in a second, we have Congressman Troy Nells.
I want to welcome back, but understand this, that Kevin McCarthy for years traveled the country, raised a bunch of money from big donors, and supported candidates in difficult races.
Burgess Owens, Young Kim, many of these people that you have been seen, being seen on there, and in some ways, you have a majority thanks to that.
So a lot of them have loyalty to Kevin because Kevin came in with a fair amount of resources to help them out.
To build this out further, though, if you are in a competitive race, if you are in a 50-50 type district and you're trying to raise money, and Kevin McCarthy comes in with millions of dollars to support you, then you are more likely than to support him.
He's been doing that for many, many years.
Now, some of you are saying, you know, Charlie, these people are sellouts.
Some of them are sellouts, but some of them are not.
I don't think Burgess Owens is a sellout.
I don't.
I think Burgess Owens is a moderate, decent man.
I do.
I think Young Kim is a decent person.
I think Brian Mast is a decent person.
I could name some not-so-decent people that are part of this caucus, especially the ones that voted for impeachment.
By the way, Chip Roy has just flipped his vote to Kevin McCarthy.
So McCarthy is inching towards becoming Speaker of the House, becoming closer and closer to Speaker of the House.
I know that angers a lot of you, but that has been the strategy of these holdouts.
Some of them are never Kevin.
Some of them are, hey, we want concessions to try to make this the most conservative Congress because there is another part of this, which is Kevin McCarthy has power too.
Kevin McCarthy has the loyalty and the support of 120 to 150.
It could be 80.
We don't know the number of members.
Okay, we now have Congressman Troy Nells.
Congressman, what are you hearing on the floor?
Charlie, it's good to be with you right now.
There are seven individuals that have voted for an alternate candidate.
Obviously, it was significantly more or less yesterday with 20.
So now we're down to seven.
So let's see what happens here at the end of this vote.
Maybe it'll be eight, maybe it'll be nine.
But we've been making progress.
And I applaud both sides.
I applaud those in the House Freedom Caucus that have been voting against McCarthy.
I appreciate the leadership team sitting down with these individuals at a table, having a conversation, you know, breaking bread and trying to work out our differences.
So if we're going to come to an agreement, let's get that agreement done.
Let's get it done so we can work for the American people.
So, Congressman, can you give our audience some peace of mind about what a conservative Congress can do if Kevin McCarthy ends up winning?
Some of our audience, they are not convinced.
They're not persuaded.
They say Kevin is awful.
It's terrible.
We don't want him.
Some of our audience says that it's the same as having Hakeem Jeffries.
I don't agree with that.
I think that's not correct.
Can you walk us through what can we expect?
The oversight, the investigations, the checks and balances, the restoration of an actual functioning House of Representatives.
Make the case to our audience.
I'm going to ask the question.
Yeah.
And I will say this as it relates to, you use the word investigations.
You know very well, it's been very clear that Jim Jordan, he wants to get to work on the judiciary, and he wants to have a lot of investigations.
We need to investigate Christopher Wray with the FBI.
Yes, we do.
We need to investigate the DOJ with Garland.
We need to look at my OCUS with DOH.
We need to have Fauci in front of us.
We need to have all those individuals in front of us to ask the questions that have not been asked by this one-party rule under Nancy Pelosi.
In addition to that, we have Comer, Representative Comer, who's going to be over oversight government reform, that has had press conferences and said, we are going to investigate Hunter, his laptop, and we know who the big guy is.
So I think he has some very sharp, strong conservatives behind him that will help lead with these investigations.
As it relates to policy, we have the commitment to America out there.
Yes, it needs to be refined a little bit more detail.
But I believe when you look at that commitment as it relates to the southern border, which makes me very, very angry because I believe, you know, it's putting the American people last and the American people are suffering, dying from fentanyl.
I believe we have a solid plan to secure our southern border.
Now, the fiscal irresponsibility with this Congress for the past several years, $31 trillion, and you can't just blame the Democrats for $31 trillion.
It's been Republicans also.
I believe with Kevin Hearn, and he's been nominated before the Republican Study Committee.
We're going to come together and come up with a balanced budget, whether it's seven years, whether it's 10, hell, I don't know.
But we're going to conduct some negotiations.
And the Freedom Caucus is going to be involved with these conversations because he needs us.
He needs us, or he'll understand he won't get anything through this Congress.
And, you know, this process angers some people.
I actually think in some ways it's proving to be a net positive if it can get done.
I really think so much of this is a volcanic eruption response to the $1.7 trillion omnibus bill.
I really believe that bill was so awful.
It was so insulting.
It was a throbbing middle finger to everyday people that a lot of what we're seeing on the House floor is a reaction to that.
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Donald Trump Jr. has just tweeted: proud of my conservative friends in the House who just won the best deal the right has ever gotten from Republican leadership.
We need to put petty personal disputes aside and do what's best for the movement.
This is a transformational deal that will change Congress for the better.
Congressman Nels, you are part of the House Freedom Caucus.
I'm sure you agree with Donald Trump Jr.
There's been some major victories in this kind of, let's just say, multi-day carousel.
Investigating Federal Corruption00:08:14
Yes, I believe there have.
And there have been negotiations that have started back in October and November and December.
And it relates to really the rules, the House rules.
And I believe that many of the recommendations that members of the Freedom Caucus have offered have been accepted.
They've been accepted by not only Kevin McCarthy, but by the entire conference.
So this is a step in the right direction.
I believe that, you know, we had seven now.
We're down to seven.
I think Leon McCarthy has 214.
So we need to come up with four more.
And I believe, hopefully, by the end of the day, we will find a way to do that.
If not, maybe tomorrow.
That's okay.
I'll stick around.
Maybe get it done tomorrow.
And then let's get to work Monday morning.
Everybody in America's got to get up at 7 o'clock, go to work.
Let's go to work on Monday morning and save this country.
Yeah, amen.
And boy, the idea of having maybe even a prime time Hearing for Anthony Fauci.
Ooh, that would be fun.
Okay, you have a book, The Big Fraud.
You've been very focused on the January 6th issue, the 1.6 issue.
Tell us about it.
Well, you know, Leader McCarthy asked me to be one of the five to be on that select committee, you know, Jim Jordan, myself, Jim Banks.
And he asked me, I'd have been the only freshman on it, but he's exploited my strength, and that's my law enforcement background in it for 30 years, a sheriff for eight.
So I know a little bit about January 6th because I conducted a very thorough investigation into it.
And Charlie, what it was, it was a law enforcement failure.
Now, the sham committee, Benny Thompson, Liz Cheney, and everyone else on that committee, they're trying to blame Donald Trump.
They released their big 840-something page report the other day.
Donald Trump's name is mentioned like 4,200 times.
But I tell you, most of your viewers obviously have heard the name Ray Epps.
Ray Epps should have been arrested.
He was on the FBI's most wanted list.
He was actually on video trying to incite a riot.
It would have been a felony because there was serious bodily injury or death.
And he's never been arrested.
And so the fact of the matter is, Ray Epps' name was listed zero.
His name was mentioned zero times in that report.
So I'm looking into it all.
I'm going to show, we have showed the American people in my book, The Big Fraud, that it's not Donald Trump's fault.
It was a law enforcement failure.
And I detail all this in that book.
It's the two-year anniversary here.
And did you visit the prison yesterday?
Is that correct?
I mean, somebody sent me a note about that.
You did?
Is that right?
I did.
Believe it or not, Charlie, I wanted to get into the prison for several months.
In August, I asked for a visit, and finally it took place yesterday morning.
I showed up with two of my staffers.
It was an entourage there, about 10 of them or so, but I had their attention.
I can assure you that.
And I spent a good hour and 15 minutes inside that facility.
I know a little bit about jails because I ran a large county jail in Fort Penn County, Texas.
So I was in there.
I had an opportunity.
I walked into the cell block with the J-Sixers.
There are 21 of them there.
Many of them are there still under pre-trial confinement.
They haven't been found guilty of anything.
And so we had a casual conversation.
Their concerns are obviously their grievances.
They're filing grievances.
And they say that their grievances are not being heard.
They're concerned a little bit about the medical treatment that they've received and obviously religious services.
And even a few have expressed concerns over physical assaults that have been taking place in the facility against them by personnel with the police.
Congressman Nels, we still do not know the whole story there.
Last thing, if Speaker McCarthy pulls this off with concessions, are we going to have a Church and Pike style committee to get the bottom, get to the bottom of what happened on January 6th?
I hope so.
And I'm going to encourage Leader McCarthy.
I mean, I've kind of taken a lead in some of these things.
I mean, I believe that their due process inside these J-Sixers, their due process, rights have been violated, that 14th Amendment.
And there are other things.
The sham committee, Charlie, never wanted to seek the truth.
And the truth is, what are we going to do?
We have to identify the problem and make sure that something like this never takes place in our nation's capital again.
And the Capitol Police were ill-prepared.
They had the intelligence.
The leadership of the Capitol Police never shared the intelligence with anybody, and it could have been prevented.
And that General Walker, who was the D.C. National Guard commander two years ago, he and I have had a conversation.
He said, sir, I agree with you.
If the National Guard would have been on our nation's capital on January 4th, like the intelligence suggested, January 6th would have never happened.
Congressman Nels, thank you so much.
I appreciate it.
Thank you.
Thank you.
God bless.
Someone says, Charlie, last four holdouts deserve nothing and contempt.
These people are traitors for holding this up.
I don't agree with that.
I don't think that's right to say that the 20 people that have been negotiating for a stronger Congress are traitors.
I don't agree.
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So someone said, Charlie, what exactly is your agenda here?
Are you behind Kevin?
Are you not?
My agenda's been the same this entire time.
I want the most conservative Congress possible.
Period.
It's not about personalities.
It's about rules.
It's about legitimate promises.
I understand that there's skepticism, but my North Star has been the most conservative Congress possible.
Okay, joining us now is Liz Wheeler.
Liz, welcome to the program.
Lots to discuss with this unfolding drama in the House of Representatives.
Your thoughts.
Hi, Charlie.
Thanks for having me.
I think you're correct.
One of the areas that Republicans oftentimes get wrong is we try to elevate a particular politician to almost a godlike or celebrity-like figure.
And I think that that can be a mistake that you and I really shouldn't throw our weight behind a particular candidate.
We should throw our weight behind principles, which is why what's happening in the House of Representatives, I don't get the huffing and the puffing.
I find it hilarious and delightful that for once, Republicans are taking their time to do something right.
And when I say do something right, it doesn't mean that we're going to get 100% of what we want.
I mean, I think probably both you and I would prefer if Kevin McCarthy was not the Speaker of the House.
I don't want to speak for you.
I would prefer if Kevin McCarthy was not the Speaker of the House.
I think that he's a creature of the swamp.
He's not as bad as some of the other ones, but he is a creature of the swamp.
I prefer someone more committed to investigating the corruption that has been embedded in the federal government that's been weaponized against conservatives across the country.
However, we don't live in utopia.
We don't live in an ideal world.
We're probably going to end up with a Speaker McCarthy.
So what these 20 Republicans in the House have done, and CNN, by the way, coined what I think is just a very humorous nickname for them.
It was intended as an insult, but CNN called them the rebels.
I think that's fantastic.
The rebels have ensured, at least thus far, that McCarthy is going to be as conservative of a leader as McCarthy possibly can.
And ultimately, that's going to achieve the goal that you stated, the most conservative Congress that we can possibly get.
That's a good thing.
That is.
DeMar Hamlin's Cardiac Story00:07:48
And so shifting gears for a second, you had a tweet I think that Elon Musk responded to earlier this week around a genre of a topic that, for whatever reason, I got in a lot of trouble for tweeting about just how athletes seem to be suddenly dropping.
Tell us about some of those numbers there about this alarming increase in athletes that have been dropping across the world.
Yeah, so the backstory here is I think we were all watching Monday night football when the Buffalo Bills were playing the Cincinnati Bengals.
I was actually in Cincinnati visiting my parents for Christmas.
I was upstairs putting my daughter to bed when my phone starts blowing up saying, hey, did you see what just happened to DeMar Hamlin on the field?
What do you think of this?
Like, that's so crazy.
This ever happened before.
And so I watched this video, and I think I had the same reaction that most of America had: that this was so tragic, so heartbreaking.
And before we speculate about what might have caused this cardiac arrest in this 24-year-old young man, this professional athlete, you know, you just stop and say a prayer for his safety, for wisdom and guidance for his people caring for him.
I think we've seen he's gotten incredible care.
The reports today are that he's talked to his team, even that he's talking to his family, and that could not bring my heart more joy.
But when I was looking up statistics and data about what happened in the direct aftermath, I found that, yes, it's true.
This has never happened on the field before, where a player just keels over in the way that DeMar Hamlin did, that has a cardiac arrest after a tackle that, yeah, football's violent, it's a violent sport, but it wasn't a particularly violent tackle compared to some of the other hits that we've seen.
And this is what I ended up finding.
And I cited all the research here because I knew it would garner the reaction that it did.
This is what I tweeted.
I said, one in 5,000 young men have heart issues from the COVID vax.
That is from the FDA, by the way.
Even the New York Times reported on this.
I'm talking about myocarditis or the inflammation of the heart.
There was immediate speculation on Twitter that this, what happened to DeMar Hamlin, was comodia cordis, which is a very rare thing that can happen to young men if they have a direct blunt force hit to a thin chest wall at a particular part of the cardiac cycle.
And there was almost immediate, immediate narratives emerging on Twitter that that's what happened to DeMar Hamlin.
So I looked this up and I found that between every year, I should say, in the United States, there's only between 10 and 20 cases of comodia cordis, and it rarely happens in anyone over the age of 20.
DeMar Hamlin is 24.
I then found that since January of 2021, that's two years.
It also coincides, of course, with the rollout of the COVID jab, 1,598 athletes have suffered from cardiac arrests.
69% of those, Charlie, have been fatal.
That's nearly 1,200 athletes who have died from cardiac arrest in the last two years.
Two years.
Now, for comparison, for context here, what did those numbers look like before the rollout of the vax?
Well, the average number of athlete cardiac arrests before January of 2021 was 29 per year.
So that's a very statistically significant difference.
So the point that I made in my tweet was all of this data, science, quote unquote science, the public health establishment, big pharma, even people's doctors, certainly politicians and pundits, ignore these things.
And this is why you and I and a large part of America have questions about what happened to DeMar Hamlin.
What caused a heart attack in an otherwise healthy professional athlete, this young man, man, this 24-year-old in the prime of his life, what caused his heart to suddenly stop?
And until we get answers to these questions, I think a lot of people are going to wonder.
And why is it that we can't even ask a question about it?
Liz, what do you think?
Why are we not even allowed to talk about it?
I mean, the power of the pharmaceutical companies.
Because if we answered these questions, if we answered this questions, what would it uncover?
It would uncover the truth and the reality of what's happened over the past two years.
That not only from the very beginning was the COVID-19 virus not as fatal as the public health establishment told us there wasn't this 3.6% fatality rate.
It wasn't going to kill children.
It wasn't equally fatal to every person, meaning you and I as healthy young people.
We've probably both survived COVID how many times now.
This was never going to be something that simply raised our population.
But because the public health establishment continued with that false narrative, that lie to the American people, they were able to trick people into taking this vaccine.
This vaccine that we now know is neither safe nor effective.
It doesn't prevent you from contracting the virus.
It doesn't prevent you from transmitting the virus.
And it does come with serious adverse reactions, adverse reactions that you don't need to take my word for.
You can see it in studies with the heart conditions.
You can see it anecdotally with instances of your family and your friends having suffered.
We all know people who've suffered these terrible adverse events because of the vaccine.
And if now, Charlie, if they admitted, if the public health establishment admitted, well, this is a question that we should certainly investigate.
I don't know what caused this cardiac arrest.
You don't know.
Nobody knows.
Maybe DeMar Hamlin's doctors know.
Maybe his family knows, but the public doesn't know.
But if we're even allowed to ask these questions, then everybody who was complicit in this conspiracy over the last two years, whether it's big pharma, politicians, mainstream media, big tech, whoever it might be, they're going to be exposed for the frauds that they are.
They're going to be exposed for being part of perpetuating this incredible harm on the United States of America.
And, you know, they don't want that exposed.
Yeah, and it's almost for committing the crime of noticing.
You can't even notice.
You're not allowed to even notice that things are happening and say it out loud.
So, Liz, I want to play some tape here of kind of some of the coverage of this.
And praise God, DeMar Hamlin is doing better.
And just the intensity that people have been coming after me and coming after, I'm sure you, after the Elon Musk tweet has been something.
And Elon agreed.
He said, yeah, why don't we just investigate this?
Well, you can't do that because the vaccine is 100% safe and effective.
And we don't know if it had anything to do with that.
We don't.
We do see a trend, though.
And when you see a pattern and you see a pattern manifest, then it is incumbent on you to notice that, to mention it out loud and not just say, well, I'm afraid of the potential backlash that will happen if I dare say that.
And so I guess we have a minute and a half remaining here, Liz, but a lot of people's lives were ruined for not taking the shot as well.
In fact, they were the ones that were telling us that we have to show our proof of vaccination status.
Your thoughts, one minute remaining.
Yeah, my husband was one of those people.
My husband's a medical provider, and he faced a situation where he either took the vaccine or he lost his job.
And he believed that the vaccine was not safe and not effective.
And he didn't want to be coerced into taking a medical procedure that he didn't want.
And he subsequently lost his job.
And he's not even kind of the only one.
This is unfortunately a very common story across our country right now.
And again, asking the questions.
Elon Musk responded to my tweet.
You mentioned that and said this deserves more investigation.
And the thing, Charlie, is that what happened on Monday Night Football might have been the first time that a lot of Americans who may not be in our politically active sphere, that they realize, hey, this is abnormal.
What could have caused that?
Could this be from the vaccine?
And so the public health establishment and politicians have to double down.
They have to lock this up, which makes it incumbent on us to not back down and to continue asking the questions.
Liz, tell people about your podcast and I hope people can follow you.
And then we have another segment after this.
RNC Leadership Accountability00:04:00
Absolutely.
You can follow me, The Liz Wheeler Show.
You can find it wherever you listen to pods on Apple Podcasts, on Spotify.
If you'd like to watch the video version, you can find us on YouTube, on Rumble.
It's LizWheelershow.com, Monday through Friday, LizWheelershow.com.
Liz, I can't believe that the RNC chair race is still going on.
You fail in elections.
98% of people want Ronald Romney to be removed.
What are your thoughts on this RNC race?
I think we need leadership change at all three top points of the Republican apparatus.
We need change in the Senate.
We need change in the House.
We need change at the top of the RNC.
Ronaronomy McDaniel has been in charge of the RNC for five years, and she doesn't have a good track record.
It's time for a change.
One of the things that when I was talking about this on my show, I was talking about how do you pick someone that you can have confidence in to lead the Republican Party in the way that the conservative base wants?
How do you know if someone is a fighter?
How do you know if they're a squish ahead of time?
Because you can't always tell if they're not a politician and you can't look at their record.
And I said, there's one question that you can ask that distills the answer to that.
And here's the question.
Do the people running for RNC chair acknowledge the reality of the political enemy that we're facing?
And if the answer to this is no, then we're not going to be able to fight well against this political enemy.
If the answer to this question is yes, then you can have reasonable confidence that the leader of the RNC, the chair of the RNC, will act in a way that serves our interests.
And what I mean by this is the political enemy that we're facing is not just Democrats who agree with us on fundamental principles.
They agree with the Constitution.
They love America.
They just have different ideas about how they best want to protect our freedom.
No, that unfortunately is something from the past.
We no longer share these fundamental first principles with Democrats.
So if a Republican doesn't sit here and say, listen, what we're facing right now is a threat by Marxist forces that have infiltrated, embedded themselves, and co-opted most of the institutions in our country, from the education system to the medical field to obviously universities, even to the administrative state and the federal government.
If we don't sit here and acknowledge that critical race theory is Marxist, that queer theory is Marxist, that our politicians generally turn a blind eye to this and pretend that their Democratic colleagues are just a little bit misguided.
If they don't understand that, then the RNC, or this is also true of politicians, this is true of the Senate and the House as well, but the RNC is never going to be able to order the Republican platform in a way that fights back effectively against the Democrats' effort to subvert our freedom.
So whether you're talking about the January 6th stuff, whether you're talking about Russia collusion, whether you're talking about the FBI being weaponized against conservatives, whether you're talking about the electioneering that happened both in 2020 and in 2022, if you don't acknowledge first what the problem is, you're not going to be able to present a solution to fix that.
I sat down and talked to Harmeet Dylan, who is challenging Ronna Romney McDaniel for the RNC chair.
I asked her these questions.
I asked her first, what is the political enemy that we're facing?
And what do you, how do you define what happened in 2020 related to the election?
What do you think is the cause of these different cultural institutions being co-opted by the left?
And the answers to those questions, before she even provides the solutions, the answer to those questions will tell you whether or not you can have confidence in the fact that she would lead the RNC in the right direction, which I believe she will.
Liz Wheeler, thank you for being with us and check out the Liz Wheeler show on podcast.
Thank you, Liz.
Appreciate it.
Thanks, Charlie.
Thanks.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
Thanks so much for listening and God bless.
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